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Gareth Edwards Films: Godzilla (2014) · Left of the Projector

• 0:00
  Bill: I want to talk about the roar in 2014 Godzilla and the effort they put into.
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  Bill: So they were asked to revamp it while paying homage to it.
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  Bill: They spent six months over the three-year production experimented with different techniques.
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  Bill: They used microphones that could record sound inaudible to human ears.
• 0:20
  Bill: They recorded hundreds of sounds at 192 kilohertz before slowing them down to
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  Bill: an audible range until they stumbled upon the combination that worked.
• 0:29
  Bill: The final version was the 50th the team produced.
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  Bill: They tested it on a backlight at Warner Brothers using a 100,000-watt Tor speaker
• 0:38
  Bill: array for the Rolling Stones.
• 0:40
  Bill: It was powerful enough to rattle pipes and rooftops and was estimated that it
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  Bill: could be heard up to three miles away.
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  Bill: They sent out flyers warning surrounding neighbors in the community about the
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  Bill: sound disruption because they thought even with preventative measures,
• 0:57
  Bill: people would be able to hear it.
• 0:59
  Ward: That's fucking sick.
• 1:01
  Bill: So it is truly like, it is a unique creation for this film.
• 1:05
  Bill: While also, again, like I said, like that is one of the reasons I love this movie so much.
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  Bill: Like they really truly pay homage to the original, the bones of the original
• 1:15
  Bill: film and Godzilla as a concept are throughout this film, always there. They never ignored it.
• 1:38
  Bill: Hello, and welcome to Left of the Projector. I'm your host, Bill,
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  Bill: that drop every Tuesday.
• 2:02
  Bill: Now, on to the show. This week on the show, we are continuing our series on
• 2:06
  Bill: Gareth Edwards films with the 2014 film Godzilla.
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  Bill: It was the first American Godzilla installation since the abomination that is
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  Bill: the 1998 version, and that is a hoof.
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  Bill: We really prefer not to acknowledge its existence.
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  Bill: It was the first Godzilla film following the Millennium Era in Japan.
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  Bill: It was a massive commercial success, making over $529 million worldwide.
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  Bill: As we'll see, there are a lot of themes that are present in the original 1954 Godzilla film,
• 2:33
  Bill: as it harkens back to the idea that Godzilla and the atomic testing of the 1950
• 2:37
  Bill: are intrinsically linked i am bill your host today with or my well my co-hosts evan.
• 2:46
  Evan: Hello i'm here with you today as well talking godzilla.
• 2:49
  Bill: And ward how's.
• 2:51
  Ward: It going happy to be here.
• 2:52
  Bill: Guys tell me uh let's talk a little bit about what how we feel about godzilla
• 2:57
  Bill: leaving me for last as the super fan i.
• 3:00
  Ward: Mean i like big scary monster i mean i could be a bigger fan definitely not
• 3:06
  Ward: like a big Godzilla expert, but I like Big Scary Monster, and I enjoyed watching this movie.
• 3:12
  Ward: I don't know if I enjoyed it nearly as much as you, Bill, but...
• 3:16
  Ward: I can't wait to take a couple of jabs at you because of this.
• 3:21
  Bill: Oh, jabs. Okay. All right.
• 3:23
  Ward: I'm mostly like I got one.
• 3:25
  Bill: Okay. All right. I'm looking forward to seeing what that is. I really want to know.
• 3:29
  Ward: Nah, it's a very light jab.
• 3:31
  Evan: Yeah. I mean, for me, we did, I don't know when this was, Bill,
• 3:35
  Evan: like maybe three or four months ago, we did an episode on the original Godzilla film, 1954.
• 3:40
  Evan: And for me, generally, as I like Godzilla, I've only seen maybe a handful of, massive franchise.
• 3:47
  Evan: I think there's 38 total films, including some of the newer American ones.
• 3:52
  Evan: The one thing I'll say about this one versus just as far as a film goes,
• 3:58
  Evan: I like the way that it seems to not ignore the historic film.
• 4:05
  Evan: aspects of the franchise going back to the original film
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  Evan: and so i originally didn't love
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  Evan: this movie when i watched it when it came out i watched it about a
• 4:14
  Evan: year ago and i'm like well it's okay this time for
• 4:17
  Evan: this episode i watched it again and i liked it
• 4:20
  Evan: a little more and i don't know this feels like one of those
• 4:22
  Evan: ones where maybe by the end of this episode i'll maybe either have
• 4:25
  Evan: a greater appreciation for it or i'll be
• 4:28
  Evan: like fuck this movie but probably not wow i
• 4:32
  Evan: don't think that's actually the case but i did like
• 4:35
  Evan: and i think one of my favorite aspects of this movie and
• 4:39
  Evan: i this is not i don't know the series so tell me if this is wrong it seemed
• 4:44
  Evan: very like spielberg asked to really kind of hide godzilla from the audience
• 4:49
  Evan: for a long period of time so that when he finally does make the appearance it's
• 4:54
  Evan: like it's it's just it's better it's uh that's.
• 4:57
  Bill: That's something that's you know it's not entirely like not presence with it
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  Bill: present within Godzilla, you
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  Bill: know, the original Godzilla, he was also pretty hidden for a long time.
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  Evan: That's true.
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  Bill: You know, he peaked a little bit. And then if we look at some of the more,
• 5:09
  Bill: uh, recent installations that kind of harken back to the original Godzilla,
• 5:15
  Bill: like Shin Godzilla or Godzilla minus one, both of those movies also really,
• 5:20
  Bill: you know, I mean, Shin Godzilla, there's a long period of Shin Godzilla,
• 5:24
  Bill: like it shows up and then he disappears for like quite an extensive period Yeah.
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  Bill: It's not a completely absent concept within Godzilla films.
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  Evan: I don't even say that as a negative. I think that's actually a positive.
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  Bill: No, I do as well. I think that a lot of the people of critics,
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  Bill: they complain about things like that.
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  Bill: I think critics in general often miss the point of Godzilla movies and they
• 6:09
  Bill: either focus on one thing to the detriment of the other.
• 6:13
  Bill: As for myself, I am a huge Godzilla fan. And I grew up like watching the original
• 6:18
  Bill: Godzilla and the American remake and King Kong and all that stuff and Godzilla
• 6:23
  Bill: versus Kong and all the original stuff.
• 6:25
  Bill: Yeah, Godzilla is a huge, I'm a huge Godzilla fan.
• 6:29
  Bill: I actually am looking at like Godzilla Mothra tattoos because I'm also a huge Mothra fan.
• 6:35
  Bill: I love Mothra, especially I love the original Mothra, but I also really love
• 6:40
  Bill: the legendary verse Mothra.
• 6:43
  Bill: And that is an important thing. what we were talking about is the legendary,
• 6:46
  Bill: uh, legendary universe of Godzilla.
• 6:49
  Bill: This is got the American Godzillas are technically, and not technically,
• 6:53
  Bill: they are explicitly, they're separate from the Japan cinematic universe.
• 6:58
  Bill: They exist in parallel. They have to follow the same rules as the Japan cinematic
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  Bill: universe of Godzilla, but they are their own thing.
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  Bill: They do not exist within that universe.
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  Bill: So, you know, outside of things like, um, destroy all monsters,
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  Bill: you know, like you don't really see crossover between those things.
• 7:20
  Bill: I think that the legendary, I love the legendary Godzilla movies,
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  Bill: the legendary monster verse in general.
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  Bill: I think that they don't get, they get a lot of flack from diehard,
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  Bill: you know, like old school Godzilla fans. Um, and I, um.
• 7:36
  Bill: Think that is undeserved. I think they are.
• 7:39
  Bill: I think the design of Godzilla in The Legendary Reverse is probably some of
• 7:44
  Bill: the best Godzilla design ever done outside of minus one. Yeah, I love Godzilla.
• 7:50
  Bill: This is one of my all-time favorite movies. I cried when Godzilla used his atomic
• 7:56
  Bill: breath in this movie for the first time on screen and crushed my wife's hands in joy and passion.
• 8:06
  Bill: so
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  Ward: I love that for you.
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  Bill: Yeah i i yeah i
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  Bill: just it's like because they still hearken this is one of those few these movies
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  Bill: are one of those few movies that they are taken off of like older material um
• 8:21
  Bill: but they retain like the the real soul of the original they make it a point
• 8:26
  Bill: to go back to it They make it a point to,
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  Bill: to use the effects,
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  Bill: the sound effects, the voice of the original series and work it into this along
• 8:38
  Bill: with like the music and everything. They really make it a point to work it in.
• 8:41
  Bill: So it's like they, they don't, unlike that fucking movie with Matthew Broderick,
• 8:46
  Bill: they don't just like ignore the legacy. They really work things in.
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  Bill: And I think it's, it shows they, they respect the, the, the,
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  Bill: the character and the world.
• 8:56
  Ward: Yeah, and as we were saying, not having a lot of the screen time for Godzilla
• 9:00
  Ward: kind of slow burn style, I don't know, I just figured...
• 9:03
  Ward: i'm not a big godzilla guy but like we recently
• 9:06
  Ward: did monsters by gareth edwards and so i figured it
• 9:09
  Ward: was like oh this is gareth edwards which is big monster
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  Ward: money dog like yeah he's slow burned in
• 9:16
  Ward: monsters just like he slow burned teased it here and then like yeah you had
• 9:20
  Ward: a long lingering shot of monsters but like he had no fucking real money to make
• 9:24
  Ward: like an actual sizable lingering shot versus big monster big money yo let them fight like yeah.
• 9:33
  Bill: Let them fight.
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  Ward: You know what i mean and so like i saw it through that lens is like maybe not
• 9:39
  Ward: so much how it relates to like previous iterations of godzilla but just previous
• 9:46
  Ward: iterations of gareth edwards films and i thought it was good let.
• 9:49
  Evan: Me ask you this i couldn't really find much about this so we did the gareth
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  Evan: edward movies monsters which was a minuscule budget you know nothing this this
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  Evan: movie had a 160 million dollar budget in comparison obviously it's godzilla it was like the.
• 10:03
  Ward: Basically illegally shot in several different countries yes for monsters like
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  Ward: this this is a completely different.
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  Evan: Thing so why do you think in your own opinion that they bring gareth edwards
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  Evan: in to make this movie like It just seems like this improbable,
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  Evan: I hate using the term like rags to riches, but it's like, you know,
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  Evan: he's this guy who made this low budget movie where he sort of teased monsters
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  Evan: and it had kind of a nice plot.
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  Evan: You know, it was kind of an interesting character study, less about the monsters.
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  Evan: And then they're like, yeah, this guy's the perfect guy for Godzilla.
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  Evan: And he respected the Godzilla sort of lore and he respected all of those things. I don't know.
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  Ward: In my typical continuing to bash Gareth Edwards fashion, it's because he's not
• 10:51
  Ward: actually that anti-imperialist.
• 10:54
  Ward: You could see the cooperation with the DoD in this movie. It was very present.
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  Ward: It was very present.
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  Bill: I have a thought on that.
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  Ward: You have a thought on that?
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  Bill: Yes.
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  Ward: Yes.
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  Ward: Go for it.
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  Bill: Okay. So that's actually like, that is a major criticism that this movie has
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  Bill: gotten about the military, the use of the military.
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  Bill: And I think that it is a fundamental misunderstanding and a misapprehension
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  Bill: of the way the military is presented in this movie and ties into the larger
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  Bill: reason they may have chosen Gareth Edwards after monsters.
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  Bill: And also the manner in which Godzilla in 2014.
• 11:34
  Bill: Well, Godzilla in the legendary verse, how Godzilla in the legendary verse fundamentally
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  Bill: functions different than Godzilla in the classic, the Toho or, you know, um,
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  Bill: the millennium era, all that Godzilla has taken on many roles throughout his
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  Bill: history within the various like film series.
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  Bill: and the thing is it's like you know so like in 1954 like Godzilla represents
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  Bill: the atomic bomb that's what Godzilla represents and the idea that like you know humans like un.
• 12:08
  Bill: Unleash devastation upon themselves. And while the nuclear aspect is present
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  Bill: in 2014 and the Legendary Reverse at large,
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  Bill: the fact of the matter is that Godzilla in 2014 and the Legendary Reverse does
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  Bill: not simply represent the atomic bomb.
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  Bill: Godzilla represents nature.
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  Bill: Godzilla represents the world and nature and the balance of ecology and this,
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  Bill: the way, and this is a, this is a trend throughout the film,
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  Bill: throughout the films, all the films about the idea that nature as a system has
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  Bill: a way of balancing itself and humans are part of that system.
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  Bill: And they continually think they control that system when they do not.
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  Bill: And that they basically need to be put in their place and monsters in a lot
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  Bill: of ways shows that that was a huge part of monsters when we talked about it
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  Bill: right like the fact that like the american military thinks they can control
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  Bill: the monsters they think they can bomb them and gas them into submission and what happens big.
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  Ward: L i mean like like the monsters there inherently don't really pose a threat
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  Ward: they're just you know they're big monsters right and then yeah the american military makes it worse.
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  Bill: Right the american military makes it worse and they
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  Bill: keep trying to control them and they just keep spreading instead
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  Bill: of like dealing with it and like learning to
• 13:32
  Bill: live alongside with it they keep trying to kill
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  Bill: it and then it keeps spreading and moving past
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  Bill: and that is that really is the lesson of like godzilla and the kaiju of the
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  Bill: legendary verse it's the story of like these things are represent nature they
• 13:48
  Bill: represent the fundamental power of nature and how you are part of that system
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  Bill: and You cannot defeat it, which brings me back to the military.
• 13:57
  Bill: And I think that it is, to fast forward all the way to the end, at the end of the film.
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  Evan: Spoilers.
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  Bill: Yes. We see, the military is such...
• 14:07
  Bill: a focus throughout this. But I will ask you this. What does the military ever do?
• 14:14
  Evan: Fuck up. Nothing.
• 14:16
  Bill: They do nothing. They never achieve anything meaningful. They never do anything
• 14:22
  Bill: effective. They never achieve anything meaningful.
• 14:24
  Bill: They do nothing. Right down to the final scene in which the main character, Ford, who stands in.
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  Bill: First of all, the only character, the only military character that we have a
• 14:39
  Bill: one-on-one with deliberately dismisses the note, like when his father says to
• 14:43
  Bill: him, how's the bomb building business?
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  Bill: And his immediate response is, I don't build bombs.
• 14:51
  Bill: I disable them. I just, I dispose of them.
• 14:54
  Ward: The only character- Immediately tries to church it up.
• 14:57
  Bill: Right. Like he immediately, he's like, the only character, like the only character,
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  Bill: the only military character you're supposed to have any sympathy for in this
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  Bill: entire movie is the only person in the military who's like,
• 15:07
  Bill: I'm in this for one reason and one reason only, and that is to defuse things.
• 15:13
  Bill: I'm like, almost like the, you know, like, Gareth Edwards, they were given DOD
• 15:18
  Bill: money and Gareth Edwards said, fine, I will take that.
• 15:21
  Bill: The only person in this entire movie that's in the military that anyone cares
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  Bill: about will stand in, like, absolute opposition to the intended goal and purpose
• 15:31
  Bill: of the military. and none of you will do anything useful.
• 15:35
  Bill: Right down to the very last scene with Ford, well, not the last scene,
• 15:40
  Bill: when Ford is on that boat trying to lure that bomb out,
• 15:45
  Bill: And Godzilla shows, the Muto shows up, and this scene could not be more symbolic
• 15:50
  Bill: of the purpose of the military in this movie.
• 15:53
  Bill: The Muto shows up, stands over Ford, opens his mouth, and he goes to fire his
• 15:58
  Bill: gun, and nothing happens. He does nothing. He can't even impotently fire at it.
• 16:04
  Bill: He can do nothing. And what happens? As he's staring down the throat of the
• 16:10
  Bill: Muto that's going to devour him,
• 16:12
  Bill: Godzilla grabs the muto and kills it the military is completely and utterly
• 16:17
  Bill: ineffective throughout this entire movie yeah they're constantly tracking.
• 16:21
  Evan: The mutos and they like can't actually.
• 16:23
  Bill: Can't do shit.
• 16:24
  Ward: They also i mean they provide a lot of uh
• 16:27
  Ward: filming scenes on the aircraft carrier yeah
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  Ward: and um yeah no i definitely
• 16:33
  Ward: saw points where like you can see like the the dod rewrite where
• 16:36
  Ward: it's like why the fuck would monarch cede fucking operational
• 16:40
  Ward: control over this situation to the fucking
• 16:43
  Ward: u.s navy and also why the fuck would
• 16:46
  Ward: monarch brief some random ass navy lieutenant
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  Ward: from eod into what the secrecy of
• 16:53
  Ward: fucking monarch is and then go oh yeah um good
• 16:55
  Ward: luck getting back to the states just no no
• 16:59
  Ward: no they wouldn't fucking do that no no so here's
• 17:02
  Ward: an interesting if you wanted it for the story's sake you could rework it where it's
• 17:05
  Ward: like oh he witnessed while like trapped in the van he saw the muto with his
• 17:09
  Ward: own eyes and he was the only one who actually saw it so he's actually important
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  Ward: now so we got to keep him with us and oh he also actually has some skill sets
• 17:17
  Ward: but like you're also not convincing me that a halo lieutenant a navy lieutenant
• 17:21
  Ward: knows how to fucking do a halo jump
• 17:23
  Ward: No, no, I can't speak to that.
• 17:26
  Evan: Tom Cruise can do a halo jump. I bet he could do it.
• 17:29
  Ward: No, not some random, some random Navy lieutenant. No, no.
• 17:35
  Evan: Well, so here's something that's maybe not directly related,
• 17:37
  Evan: but somewhat related to kind of like how the military is.
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  Evan: And I was reading up about this is some of it's in the Wikipedia,
• 17:42
  Evan: but I was reading a few articles separate from it that is linked to it.
• 17:46
  Evan: They're talking about how they created the script and also how Edwards came
• 17:48
  Evan: on. Apparently the script went through like a number of rewrites.
• 17:52
  Evan: And the final rewrite was Frank Darabon, who people probably know from,
• 17:56
  Evan: you know, he's done Nightmare on Elm Street.
• 17:58
  Evan: He did The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile, The Mist. Like he's big into
• 18:01
  Evan: a lot of those Stephen King adaptations.
• 18:05
  Evan: And, you know, known for not shying away when it comes to, if you've seen The
• 18:09
  Evan: Mist, you know what I'm talking about.
• 18:10
  Evan: But he apparently said that when they were writing it, they couldn't figure
• 18:13
  Evan: out how to, you know, make it so Godzilla shows up in the 50s.
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  Evan: They allude to the fact that all the testing of atomic bombs was not testing.
• 18:24
  Evan: They were trying to kill Godzilla, and they failed. And then Godzilla just kind of disappears.
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  Evan: And they couldn't figure out, oh, how is it going to be believable that no one
• 18:32
  Evan: knew where Godzilla was this whole time?
• 18:34
  Evan: So that's where they created the idea of, like, what is the Monarch as sort
• 18:40
  Evan: of, like, the group, international group that's basically both trying to get
• 18:45
  Evan: rid of Godzilla but also hide his existence.
• 18:48
  Evan: And so, I mean, I think it's, like, a good—that just was kind of,
• 18:51
  Evan: like, leading me to the idea of Monarch and, like, what you think about that.
• 18:54
  Evan: And that's kind of part of this new U.S.
• 18:58
  Evan: version of the Godzilla universe is this secret organization.
• 19:03
  Bill: Monarch has existed throughout the history of Godzilla.
• 19:05
  Evan: Okay, well, fuck me. I don't know what to put it on.
• 19:07
  Bill: Yeah, no, Monarch is not new to...
• 19:11
  Ward: Um and does that include soviet nuclear testing hey.
• 19:14
  Evan: Hey whoever edits this episode cut that stupid part out.
• 19:16
  Ward: Yeah cut that shit out does that include soviet nuclear testing was
• 19:20
  Ward: also an attempt to deal with that or is this like a portrayal it's never mentioned
• 19:25
  Ward: it's just a portrayal it's just like an attempt to be like hey we americans
• 19:30
  Ward: uh we weren't entirely bad with all of our nuke testing some of it was to stop
• 19:34
  Ward: try to stop godzilla okay oh.
• 19:37
  Bill: Wait no i'm sorry monarch no i'm sorry Monarch was created by a legendary.
• 19:41
  Bill: I am thinking of, there is another.
• 19:43
  Evan: Oh, there was another.
• 19:45
  Bill: Yeah.
• 19:45
  Evan: Okay. So it makes me feel slightly better, but it makes sense that it's like
• 19:48
  Evan: the idea that someone, that there is some sort of secret organization.
• 19:52
  Evan: And part of the idea of like, there being the secret organization of Monarch
• 19:55
  Evan: also like the, for anyone out there who is like me and is maybe not like the
• 19:59
  Evan: biggest Godzilla fan, but likes it in these kinds of movies,
• 20:01
  Evan: I would recommend the show Monarch, which I thought was quite,
• 20:06
  Evan: was, was actually, I think it's better than these movies personally,
• 20:09
  Evan: but that's, That's an aside.
• 20:10
  Ward: I haven't watched it at all. I need to check it out.
• 20:12
  Bill: See, that's the thing that I was saying. It's like, Godzilla serves different
• 20:17
  Bill: purposes in different movies.
• 20:19
  Bill: And it's like, in this one, Godzilla is very much meant to be the representative
• 20:23
  Bill: of like, he is the allegory. He is the metaphor.
• 20:27
  Bill: He is nature. He stands in as that whole thing. And then there are other movies
• 20:31
  Bill: like Godzilla X Kong. It's like,
• 20:34
  Bill: or like New Kingdom, where it's like, yeah, he's a giant monster.
• 20:37
  Bill: That's what he's there. He's there to beat up other monsters.
• 20:39
  Bill: That's what Godzilla's there.
• 20:40
  Bill: Like, that's a monster movie. It's just a bunch of monsters fighting.
• 20:44
  Bill: And it's like, they can exist, you know, together, you know.
• 20:47
  Evan: I mean, it's very clearly implied by the doctor in this movie, the Godzilla 2014.
• 20:56
  Bill: Shirazawa?
• 20:57
  Evan: What is his name? Shirazawa. Like, he seems like, as the movie unfolds,
• 21:02
  Evan: and his sort of, they don't really listen to him really at all.
• 21:05
  Evan: Like the military does not really listen to him.
• 21:07
  Evan: They kind of have him around, you know, just in case they might need his expertise.
• 21:12
  Evan: But he seems to have the concept of the fact that Godzilla will eventually come and kill these Mudos,
• 21:19
  Evan: and then disappear into the night, like end of a Western movie,
• 21:24
  Evan: because he very clearly understands that balance concept, whereas the military
• 21:29
  Evan: doesn't care about that.
• 21:30
  Evan: They don't believe that to be true. they just have they're just trying to kill
• 21:34
  Evan: him and it's funny that they often are like yeah we need to avoid civilian casualties
• 21:37
  Evan: i'm like when is the military ever fucking try to avoid military casualties
• 21:42
  Evan: like that would be a fucking first i like the character i wish they used him more shirozawa i.
• 21:47
  Bill: Love shirozawa um i mean he's in the second movie as well um but yeah he really
• 21:53
  Bill: sets the tone of, he is the voice of the, like, metaphor for the film.
• 21:59
  Bill: That Godzilla is the concept of nature, and how Godzilla is there as an,
• 22:06
  Bill: almost as a lesson to humanity that their hubris will no longer be
• 22:12
  Bill: can not be tolerated, you know, because really that's, you know,
• 22:15
  Bill: it's to go back to like the atomic testing.
• 22:17
  Bill: It's, it's still tied into that idea that it's like humans think they can control
• 22:23
  Bill: things and they can't, and they need to learn.
• 22:27
  Bill: And this is a, a, this is a concept that's like revisited throughout the,
• 22:31
  Bill: like the legendary verse.
• 22:33
  Bill: Um, as you continue in these movies, which are not Gareth Edwards,
• 22:37
  Bill: but it's still like, it's like laid in there that like,
• 22:40
  Bill: you know, humans have to learn how to like coexist with things
• 22:43
  Bill: which when when godzilla
• 22:46
  Bill: the original godzilla was made the big
• 22:49
  Bill: lesson the big fear of the time was atomic testing
• 22:53
  Bill: atomic bombs humans had split the atom and the destruction of that and this
• 22:58
  Bill: movie is very much of its time as well than that like what is our biggest fear
• 23:03
  Bill: now like our planet is going to be uninhabitable because we fucking broke it.
• 23:13
  Bill: Like that nature is going to come back and through like natural processes that
• 23:22
  Bill: we have destabilized, it is going to make it uninhabitable for us.
• 23:27
  Bill: And the only way that we will move forward is by understanding and knowing our
• 23:33
  Bill: place within nature as opposed to separating ourselves from it entirely.
• 23:37
  Ward: I'll agree with that but at the same
• 23:40
  Ward: time last few years i have been urging people to
• 23:42
  Ward: understand how imminent like nuclear holocaust like
• 23:46
  Ward: apocalypse is like we are like
• 23:49
  Ward: these last few years how we're pushing for fucking nuclear war yeah and like
• 23:54
  Ward: that's like even more so now yes um talking like oh golden dome's gonna make
• 24:00
  Ward: nuclear war not just possible but easy in 2014 It seemed that was not a topic,
• 24:05
  Ward: though. Yeah, no, definitely not a topic.
• 24:07
  Ward: But I mean, since the Russian-Ukraine conflict has popped off,
• 24:14
  Ward: we have been closer and closer, almost to the point of Cuban Missile Crisis at times,
• 24:21
  Ward: of fucking nuclear disaster.
• 24:24
  Ward: And there's no talks of detente, no talks of fucking treaties or de-escalation.
• 24:30
  Ward: It's just, oh, no, no, no, we can figure out how one side can win a nuclear war.
• 24:34
  Bill: Yeah, that's a different bunch.
• 24:36
  Ward: Yeah, no, I think everyone should definitely be more worried about the reality
• 24:39
  Ward: of nuclear holocaust, nuclear annihilation on planet Earth right now.
• 24:44
  Ward: And then if we somehow the people who like fucking led us into like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya,
• 24:52
  Ward: fucking all this current shit that we're dealing with now somehow steer us out
• 24:56
  Ward: of nuclear disaster, they still have to figure out climate collapse right around
• 25:01
  Ward: the corner. So, yeah, it's not looking great.
• 25:03
  Evan: Let me ask you this. This is more like about the movie and like the idea of MUTOs in the universe.
• 25:09
  Evan: So as part of like the opening to this plot, I think you mentioned that this
• 25:12
  Evan: kind of it starts in 1954 as you kind of understand that there's this Godzilla creature.
• 25:17
  Evan: They're trying to kill him with nuclear weapons. Then it goes into 1999 where
• 25:21
  Evan: they have this in the Philippines and they're doing like a uranium mine which collapses.
• 25:26
  Evan: Is it supposed to be obvious that the mining is what causes them to just see this pod.
• 25:39
  Evan: Like a spore or whatever, like a giant spore where the monster is?
• 25:43
  Evan: They just happen to come across it because...
• 25:46
  Evan: chrysalis like they find they find one that's dormant
• 25:49
  Evan: and one that's hashed and it's leading into the sea and then they sort of gets
• 25:53
  Evan: you then you get the nuclear power plant um disaster which is you know kind
• 25:59
  Evan: of covered up and you don't really know what happened when you learn later that
• 26:02
  Evan: it was because of you know the muto and god you know talking to each other wait what's the,
• 26:09
  Evan: i guess i'm asking is like what's the point of having the philippine showing
• 26:13
  Evan: the you know our you know imperialism what do they have
• 26:15
  Evan: they even give it a name what's it called uh oh universal
• 26:19
  Evan: western mining very uh yeah just like the universal corporation evil bad corporation
• 26:25
  Evan: i know but it has a perfect name like universal western like the west and mining
• 26:30
  Evan: you know very perfect and i guess is that the radiation from all of what they're
• 26:34
  Evan: they're doing leads to it and it just seems like stupid question i.
• 26:39
  Bill: Think it's more i mean i was sort of like they just keep digging and it's like
• 26:44
  Bill: they don't pay attention to things they just you know like they just uncover
• 26:47
  Bill: things they they shouldn't be uncovering it's it's like the the the dwarves in the mines of moria,
• 26:54
  Bill: they dug too deep it's like rain of fire yeah yeah.
• 26:57
  Evan: Oh there's the balrog whoops yeah.
• 26:59
  Bill: They dug too deep oops all monsters yeah yeah.
• 27:03
  Evan: But if but if they hadn't dug do you think they wouldn't of woken it up.
• 27:08
  Bill: I don't think so no i think it ties it ties back to the notion of like humans
• 27:13
  Bill: just doing what humans do and they should stop doing shit like stop stop act stop thinking.
• 27:19
  Ward: We can fucking control.
• 27:21
  Bill: Everything stop.
• 27:21
  Ward: Just digging in the ground thinking you know exactly what the fuck you're doing
• 27:25
  Ward: you know maybe put some fucking thought into what we're doing.
• 27:28
  Bill: Yeah not just profit it's just it's all about hubris it's just humans just do
• 27:33
  Bill: whatever the fuck they want without the thinking of like the consequences.
• 27:38
  Bill: And, you know, this is what they got. Giant monsters.
• 27:42
  Evan: I do love in the movie the actor who plays, I think his character is, the Admiral Stentz.
• 27:51
  Evan: He's played by David Strathairn. Like, you've seen him in a million freaking movies.
• 27:55
  Evan: He's in all of the Jason Bourne movies. Like, as that, you know,
• 27:59
  Evan: the guy at the helm, you know, like calling all the shots.
• 28:01
  Evan: And he's fucking awesome in this movie. He's a great actor. And he's just good in that role.
• 28:05
  Evan: Yeah, he's a good actor. I loved him in this. And we also didn't,
• 28:08
  Evan: we didn't mention that, you know, uh, the father of the Navy guy is,
• 28:13
  Evan: um, played by Brian Cranston.
• 28:15
  Evan: Unfortunately not in the movie that long, but, you know, we love Brian Cranston.
• 28:19
  Bill: Yeah, I do think that it probably,
• 28:24
  Bill: you know, to rewind this entire thing, to go back to the original,
• 28:28
  Bill: the start of the entire movie, that, you know, the entire beginning of the movie has to do with nuclear,
• 28:38
  Bill: a nuclear power plant in Japan.
• 28:40
  Bill: and it's destabilization and
• 28:45
  Bill: meltdown due to the escape
• 28:48
  Bill: muto um the awoken
• 28:51
  Bill: muto borrowing into it and you know going to consume the radiation because that's
• 28:57
  Bill: a recurring theme that most of the kaiju and the monsterverse like they sustain
• 29:02
  Bill: themselves on radiation to some degree or another and yeah brian cranston as
• 29:08
  Bill: the like i guess head engineer.
• 29:10
  Ward: Yeah nuclear walter white yeah speaking
• 29:13
  Ward: about nuclear walter white like dude how heartbreaking
• 29:17
  Ward: it is that he has to fucking close the fucking door
• 29:20
  Ward: on his wife yeah and like i i dude i would lose my shit i'd go crazy too if
• 29:27
  Ward: that was me i had to do that to like do that to my wife i would just hope that
• 29:31
  Ward: like i think i at least raised my kid well enough that she when she grew up
• 29:35
  Ward: she wouldn't join the military,
• 29:38
  Ward: you know she wouldn't be that desperate um
• 29:42
  Ward: i would like at least got some instilled in her like you don't join join the
• 29:46
  Ward: imperialist this the imperialist organization but um but yeah no i'd uh i'd
• 29:51
  Ward: definitely lose my fucking shit after losing my wife like that yeah and especially
• 29:54
  Ward: in a conspiratorial sense dude oh yeah i'd be fucking hunting for the truth absolutely the.
• 30:00
  Evan: One thing great about this movie and i think in they're talking about that in
• 30:03
  Evan: the the uh darabon's uh like writing of the script was to have less focus specifically
• 30:09
  Evan: around Godzilla and actually having meaningful,
• 30:14
  Evan: fully developed characters, which you do get in this movie pretty well,
• 30:18
  Evan: even if maybe the characters aren't the best, you know, people necessarily all the time.
• 30:23
  Evan: But, you know, showing, you know, the, the, what,
• 30:25
  Evan: what happens to Brian Cranston's character from having to literally see his
• 30:30
  Evan: wife does die of radiation behind a door that he has to physically well like
• 30:34
  Evan: not physically close but close behind as you're saying and i mean he goes into
• 30:39
  Evan: like a deep depression it's up to.
• 30:41
  Ward: Him to hit the button.
• 30:42
  Evan: Yeah he's.
• 30:45
  Ward: Getting yelled at to close the door so i'm pretty sure they don't have a button
• 30:48
  Ward: anywhere else to close that door.
• 30:50
  Evan: Yeah yeah that's right show.
• 30:51
  Bill: Him hit the button.
• 30:52
  Evan: As his wife at the last second like just in the right moment too That scene is heartbreaking.
• 30:57
  Bill: It's a terrifying scene. The way it's shot where you can actually see the irradiated
• 31:04
  Bill: smoke billowing down the hallway and then they turn to him screaming is intense.
• 31:11
  Ward: It's terrifying.
• 31:12
  Bill: Yeah.
• 31:12
  Evan: And then she, you know, I'm assuming the death from that is very painful and horrible.
• 31:17
  Ward: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 31:19
  Ward: It's not great.
• 31:21
  Bill: I'm sure it was probably faster than most people that die of terrible radiation
• 31:24
  Bill: poisoning, but I don't think it was, you know, I don't think it was great.
• 31:28
  Evan: And I guess to add to this, I mean, maybe it wasn't obvious,
• 31:32
  Evan: but then their son, who's played by Aaron Taylor Johnson, then joins the U.S.
• 31:37
  Evan: Navy and is the, what's it called? EOD? Is that his?
• 31:41
  Ward: Yeah, EOD, yeah. Explosive Word in his disposal.
• 31:44
  Bill: To be fair, I mean, it's not really fair, but like to like piggyback off of
• 31:50
  Bill: like Ward's comment, like, you know, if like, you know, if my mother,
• 31:53
  Bill: my wife died, like I, at least he's good.
• 31:56
  Bill: Joe wasn't a great parent to start with.
• 32:00
  Bill: Brian Cranston's character was not a great parent to start with.
• 32:03
  Bill: He forgot his own birthday.
• 32:05
  Bill: And the fact that his kid was trying to like celebrate it for him,
• 32:09
  Bill: like clearly not the most present parent in the world.
• 32:13
  Ward: Definitely.
• 32:14
  Evan: Not nuclear.
• 32:15
  Ward: Walter white yeah.
• 32:16
  Evan: And it's very clear when he has to go then like rescue his dad of japan for
• 32:20
  Evan: being arrested that they don't talk very much it seems like they just sort of
• 32:24
  Evan: have a you know pretty bad uh relationship like he didn't like the and then
• 32:29
  Evan: right and then brian cranson didn't know how old his grandchild was either like
• 32:33
  Evan: yeah it's like dude come on really,
• 32:36
  Evan: you're living in like this weird room with like conspiracy shit all over fair.
• 32:40
  Ward: But he's also correct about his conspiracy so.
• 32:44
  Evan: That's true that's not helping.
• 32:46
  Bill: Yeah that's they're like to
• 32:48
  Bill: be validated that doesn't help this kind of person no it doesn't at all no.
• 32:53
  Evan: No yeah but he was correct he didn't think that i mean the,
• 32:58
  Evan: Was the story that they were giving people in Japan was that it was just a meltdown and that was it?
• 33:04
  Ward: Yeah, that it was a meltdown, that the whole island was irradiated,
• 33:09
  Ward: dangerous levels of radiation, like whole nine yards.
• 33:13
  Ward: But he had the readings beforehand that knew that there was something happening
• 33:18
  Ward: that caused it and that it wasn't just a meltdown.
• 33:21
  Ward: And then he had his buddy drop sono buoys for him outside the island and then
• 33:27
  Ward: picked up those readings again and was like, I was right.
• 33:30
  Bill: There is so much like in terms of world building,
• 33:34
  Bill: there is so much done in this movie that competently and like very well done
• 33:42
  Bill: lays out the further world building as these movies move forward,
• 33:49
  Bill: including the sonar buoys, the tracking of the echolocation.
• 33:53
  Bill: like this movie i don't
• 33:57
  Bill: think gets enough credit like i don't think edwards and
• 34:00
  Bill: like the script right like i don't think they get enough credit for the groundwork
• 34:04
  Bill: they laid for the movies moving forward and how much work they put into creating
• 34:11
  Bill: a cohesive lore behind the way these creatures function.
• 34:18
  Bill: You know, the sonar thing is, it's a huge thing. We return to the whole,
• 34:22
  Bill: like, sound throughout the movies.
• 34:26
  Bill: And I really think that is a credit for that, as a world-building nerd.
• 34:30
  Evan: Yeah, I, to be fair, I don't know that I remember The King of Mops is the sequel to this one that well.
• 34:36
  Evan: I did not like the Godzilla vs. Kong movie.
• 34:40
  Evan: If you can be mad at me at another time about that.
• 34:44
  Evan: But, like, to speak to the world-building, I think that it's very well done
• 34:49
  Evan: to, you know, the way they created it and all the human side of it.
• 34:53
  Evan: And there's something else I was going to say. Uh,
• 34:57
  Evan: I know what it was. How come the baby Godzilla's from the 1998 version didn't
• 35:02
  Evan: grow up and hatch for this movie? Sorry.
• 35:07
  Bill: I'm not engaging with that.
• 35:10
  Ward: No, I like it. I like it. Bill, as the expert, I think you should have to answer it.
• 35:14
  Evan: I think that they decided that movie, that was TriStar Pictures.
• 35:17
  Bill: It doesn't exist. It's not part of this universe.
• 35:21
  Ward: I don't like that answer.
• 35:22
  Evan: That exists in the what is it?
• 35:25
  Bill: The Broderick verse.
• 35:28
  Evan: The Broderick verse.
• 35:30
  Evan: No, I was going to say, what is it?
• 35:32
  Bill: This movie very much establishes itself as if it is a modern day sequel to the original Godzilla.
• 35:44
  Bill: It is very much meant to be rooted in the world of the 1954 Godzilla. Like, very much so.
• 35:53
  Evan: It does. Because this came out before the Godzilla Minus 1, which I realize
• 35:59
  Evan: is kind of like a prequel in a way of the original.
• 36:02
  Evan: But they actually fit into that universe, too. It sort of feels like it kind
• 36:06
  Evan: of could be dropped into there, and it makes sense.
• 36:08
  Bill: Well, Godzilla Minus 1 is really, I mean.
• 36:12
  Evan: Awesome?
• 36:12
  Bill: Oh, yes, absolutely. So good. Godzilla Minus 1 is so good.
• 36:15
  Ward: So fucking good.
• 36:16
  Evan: It's actually my favorite Godzilla movie. Sorry, everyone.
• 36:19
  Bill: It's totally worthy.
• 36:21
  Evan: It's a correct opinion.
• 36:21
  Bill: Absolutely like worthy like you know um statement i i would say that godzilla
• 36:30
  Bill: minus one i don't think godzilla minus one really functions so much as a prequel
• 36:35
  Bill: as godzilla minus one is basically a retelling of 1954 godzilla yeah.
• 36:41
  Ward: That's what i felt yeah okay that's fair it was.
• 36:43
  Bill: It was like.
• 36:44
  Ward: A recreation of origins like the recreation new origin.
• 36:47
  Bill: Yeah retelling.
• 36:48
  Ward: Of the origin story yeah.
• 36:49
  Bill: It is a it is a retelling it was great you know god.
• 36:52
  Ward: It was so.
• 36:53
  Bill: Fucking so good another movie i cried cried when it got so uh word uh listen
• 37:00
  Bill: i just really like the roar okay,
• 37:02
  Bill: it's it's iconic it's so good tell you it's meaningful to me but yes it is really
• 37:08
  Bill: more of it it is a retelling um,
• 37:11
  Bill: And, you know, so regardless of whether it's the 1934 one or Godzilla minus
• 37:15
  Bill: one, 2014 is really meant to be rooted in that, like, universe and that, like, that timeline.
• 37:21
  Bill: So the Broderick first does not get a factor into this at all.
• 37:25
  Bill: That's the official term now. It's the Broderick first. There's one movie in it. And that's.
• 37:29
  Ward: Is it really?
• 37:30
  Bill: No. I made that up.
• 37:33
  Ward: No.
• 37:34
  Evan: I think that that film would be would land in, like, the Zack Snyder verse.
• 37:39
  Evan: Sorry. If we have any Zack Snyder friends.
• 37:40
  Ward: No don't put no don't no you just put it out in the universe the whole like
• 37:45
  Ward: idea of a fucking zach snyder godzilla that's gonna happen now dude you fucked
• 37:49
  Ward: up you fucking you just no there's.
• 37:51
  Evan: There's no way that they would.
• 37:53
  Ward: Let him.
• 37:53
  Evan: Make a movie right like that one but they'd have to.
• 37:56
  Bill: No toho actually has some real serious
• 37:59
  Bill: like they do not again like i said like
• 38:02
  Bill: even though like legendary the monster verse of
• 38:04
  Bill: legendary is its own universe they still
• 38:07
  Bill: have to follow the rules of like toho and the
• 38:10
  Bill: way godzilla is treated within that
• 38:14
  Bill: within movies like toho has basically they literally have a big room with like
• 38:20
  Bill: all this like stuff like memorabilia from god and they take people into it they're
• 38:24
  Bill: like these are the rules you have to follow and like they can't you can't not
• 38:29
  Bill: follow those rules or you they
• 38:30
  Bill: won't let you make a movie like that's just all there is to it like sacks.
• 38:33
  Ward: And i are just gonna do with netflix like their fucking dumb.
• 38:36
  Bill: Ass star wars shit that.
• 38:37
  Evan: You try to first rule of Godzilla is that if you're first time fighting God,
• 38:41
  Evan: if you're the first time there, you have to fight Godzilla or can't talk about
• 38:44
  Evan: Godzilla. Sorry. It's not a terrible joke.
• 38:48
  Ward: Yeah.
• 38:49
  Bill: They have like very specific things. No, I don't think they will ever, um, allow, uh,
• 38:55
  Bill: zack snyder to do anything so all right so some
• 38:58
  Bill: of the the the big rules are godzilla never
• 39:01
  Bill: dies first of all and godzilla does
• 39:04
  Bill: not prey on people or things and we know that zack snyder would have to be like
• 39:11
  Bill: all like edgy and dark and make godzilla like you know he'd fight batman or
• 39:16
  Bill: something yeah like something really stupid and so they won't let that happen yeah do you want to do.
• 39:22
  Ward: You want to see a petty godzilla.
• 39:23
  Bill: Yeah this.
• 39:24
  Ward: Is zack snyder would kill it the pettiest godzilla ever.
• 39:29
  Bill: Yeah it's like i don't like a single.
• 39:30
  Evan: Zack snyder movie so.
• 39:31
  Bill: It's like a major thing which is like funny because like when you watch like
• 39:35
  Bill: godzilla x kong new empire like you see kong like hunt down like he hunts and
• 39:41
  Bill: eats like things but you know godzilla now that the only thing godzilla fights
• 39:46
  Bill: is other kaiju that's it you know like that's it.
• 39:49
  Ward: I was looking at the other godzilla so much like that's just a big guy chilling.
• 39:54
  Bill: Until.
• 39:55
  Ward: It's time to fight another big.
• 39:56
  Bill: Monster. Mostly he just wants to nap.
• 40:00
  Ward: Yeah, he just wants to nap and then it's like oh, time for somebody to catch
• 40:03
  Ward: these hands? Alright, let's fucking do it.
• 40:06
  Bill: It's like, I'm boss, let me nap, and if you won't let me nap, I will fuck you up.
• 40:12
  Ward: Let's fucking run it, alright?
• 40:13
  Bill: Let's do it.
• 40:14
  Evan: I mean, and looking at the Monsterverse version, sort of these,
• 40:20
  Evan: this american you know run of films is
• 40:23
  Evan: that you see all the different co-stars as they
• 40:25
  Evan: call them like the other monsters that are in it and it's sort of just an ex
• 40:29
  Evan: i don't want to call it excuse but it's sort of like they're going to introduce
• 40:32
  Evan: these other cool ass monsters and then godzilla's gonna have to save everyone
• 40:35
  Evan: from uh themselves and kill them for for us because very marvel-esque well i
• 40:41
  Evan: don't want to call it that is.
• 40:44
  Ward: That what i thought.
• 40:45
  Evan: You said it not insinuating I wasn't insinuating that I mean I was just kind
• 40:49
  Evan: of saying I'll fucking say.
• 40:50
  Ward: Everything's Marvel in America because everyone's 12.
• 40:53
  Evan: The Marvelization of America it's everything's Marvel everyone's.
• 40:58
  Bill: 12 it really comes like it's again you know it's the whole thing it's like you know,
• 41:02
  Bill: Godzilla is very much represents like that balance of nature and
• 41:05
  Bill: it's like this is out of hand he is they mean like
• 41:08
  Bill: they refer to him like throughout he's the alpha like that's
• 41:11
  Bill: the whole thing that's why like Kong and Godzilla can't
• 41:15
  Bill: coexist because they're both alpha species and
• 41:18
  Bill: God and Kong will not bow like that's the
• 41:21
  Bill: whole thing like Kong will because Kong is
• 41:24
  Bill: not just a monster or like
• 41:27
  Bill: kong is basically a sapient being and he's like yeah no like i'm i'm the boss
• 41:32
  Bill: too like no and like kong had his own island for like fucking however many years
• 41:37
  Bill: you know and it's like it's like no i'm the boss and like godzilla's like no
• 41:40
  Bill: no i'm the boss and it's like no no no it's like that's the whole thing it's
• 41:43
  Bill: like they neither of them will bow to the other what's.
• 41:46
  Evan: The oh is it kong skull island is that the like sort of like the prequel.
• 41:50
  Bill: Part of the.
• 41:51
  Evan: Monster universe yeah.
• 41:52
  Bill: Kong Skull Island is one of my all-time, all-time top favorite.
• 41:56
  Bill: I love Kong Skull Island.
• 41:58
  Ward: So is like the 2000s Kong movie considered the Matthew Broderick of the Kong movies franchise?
• 42:07
  Evan: Which is the movie you're talking about?
• 42:09
  Ward: I love that.
• 42:11
  Bill: Directed by, why can't I remember it? Peter Jackson.
• 42:14
  Evan: Oh, fuck. I forgot about that movie. Holy shit. That's with Naomi Watts.
• 42:19
  Ward: Jack Deep Cut.
• 42:20
  Bill: Naomi Watts.
• 42:22
  Evan: Yeah oh shit Andy Serkis yeah god is that movie terrible I can't I don't know
• 42:27
  Evan: if I've seen it since it came out yes,
• 42:29
  Evan: I assume.
• 42:31
  Ward: That's why I had to ask if it's considered the same level as the broader Godzilla for three hours.
• 42:37
  Bill: It's terrible in a different way.
• 42:40
  Evan: Wow, there's an extended cut that's 200 minutes. Holy shit.
• 42:42
  Bill: It is like three hours of overuse of CGI and Jack Black.
• 42:49
  Evan: That's so disappointing.
• 42:50
  Bill: I fucking hate Jack Black. It's like three hours of CGI. It's so bloated.
• 42:57
  Ward: They should have put baby Kongs in that one. Like there's baby Godzilla's in Zing Bob Broderick.
• 43:04
  Bill: I have not seen it in a long time.
• 43:06
  Evan: I don't actually know that I've seen it now that I'm, I remember its existence, but it's crazy.
• 43:12
  Evan: That was Peter Jackson's first film after making Lord of the Rings. Does that make you sad?
• 43:17
  Bill: Yes, it does. That makes me sad.
• 43:19
  Ward: It should.
• 43:20
  Evan: They're like, oh, what do you want to do next? I'm going to do King Kong.
• 43:23
  Evan: And then he makes this behemoth piece of crap.
• 43:26
  Bill: Yeah.
• 43:27
  Bill: It's pretty bad. And Skull Island is...
• 43:30
  Evan: That movie, I like the Skull Island.
• 43:32
  Bill: I mean, I rewatch all of these movies at least once a year.
• 43:36
  Bill: Yeah. And Skull Island is actually one of my comfort movies.
• 43:41
  Bill: I will put that on when I'm feeling down. I'm like, I put Skull Island on.
• 43:46
  Evan: So going back to the movie and where they...
• 43:49
  Evan: We're talking about how they... So there's the secret organization that's keeping Godzilla quiet.
• 43:55
  Evan: But at the same time, like Brian Cranston had discovered that where the where
• 44:00
  Evan: the the the nuclear facility melted down or whatever, you know, the what happened to it.
• 44:06
  Evan: They're like basically have these little shitty electric fences around this
• 44:10
  Evan: crystal as being like, yeah, let's just hope that nothing happens here.
• 44:14
  Evan: And then like, you know, it fucking comes out and just fucks everyone up.
• 44:17
  Evan: But what did they think that they were actually doing? do they actually think
• 44:20
  Evan: they would be able to control this and does this go again to the idea that we
• 44:25
  Evan: can't do shit with nature it's gonna fuck us up anyway pretty much right.
• 44:29
  Bill: I think so because like even monarch which is
• 44:32
  Bill: the organization that's supposed to track and control
• 44:35
  Bill: these things i'm like they kind of have like you have
• 44:38
  Bill: conflicting opinions even within monarch and like sarazawa
• 44:42
  Bill: clearly like repeatedly just
• 44:45
  Bill: like he just kind of wants to like
• 44:47
  Bill: monitor and then there's the other half which are like they want to control
• 44:52
  Bill: and you know in like cage and like control and he's like yeah you're never it's
• 44:58
  Bill: that you're never gonna be able to like you know even this organization that
• 45:02
  Bill: that's their whole purpose like they can't they're not going to yeah i mean.
• 45:07
  Ward: Like as like not a big expert
• 45:10
  Ward: coming to this movie and watching it it seemed like
• 45:13
  Ward: they're mostly just trying to monitor and keep
• 45:17
  Ward: people away yeah from the area so
• 45:20
  Ward: that like if shit went down it's kind of minimized that's like why the whole
• 45:25
  Ward: part of the whole island is deemed like deathly radiation radiation is that
• 45:32
  Ward: um keep people away they got minimally staffed like yeah they got electric fences
• 45:37
  Ward: but it's not like they got like they got tanks,
• 45:41
  Ward: stationed around they don't have artillery pieces they
• 45:44
  Ward: ain't got giant guns or explosives ready to
• 45:47
  Ward: go to destroy this thing so it's not like a true control measure it seems it's
• 45:52
  Ward: just a monitoring and keep other and keep humans away and so that it just minimizes
• 45:57
  Ward: the disaster which it kind of did that's at the first yeah it only was monarch
• 46:02
  Ward: personnel at the start and joe's dad,
• 46:07
  Ward: or for his dad joe yeah you know i mean really they weren't supposed to be there
• 46:12
  Ward: in the first place you know like not.
• 46:15
  Evan: Even supposed to be here today man.
• 46:17
  Ward: Monarch monarch.
• 46:18
  Bill: Really it's like keep humans away and like kind of like segregate basically
• 46:23
  Bill: monarch is all about like segregation like keep humans away from this stuff
• 46:26
  Bill: because it's they can't handle it and they will cause problems and to go back
• 46:29
  Bill: to like you know why all this happens what we see repeatedly and again Again,
• 46:36
  Bill: I say like, you know, there have been,
• 46:37
  Bill: there have, one of the criticisms of this movie is the, the glorification of the military.
• 46:43
  Bill: And again, and like, again, I have to like time it again.
• 46:46
  Bill: The reason things are bad is because of the military. The mucho escapes.
• 46:52
  Bill: What does it take? What does it take out? What does it go to first?
• 46:56
  Bill: Military stockpile. What is it could nuclear submarine again and again throughout
• 47:01
  Bill: it. If it was not for the military, these things wouldn't be where they are
• 47:06
  Bill: over and over and over again.
• 47:09
  Bill: Who causes the problem? The military.
• 47:11
  Ward: I mean, shit.
• 47:14
  Ward: U.S. was looking into using thorium salt reactors up until they realized,
• 47:19
  Ward: oh, you can't use the byproducts of thorium salt reactors to make bombs. And so they gave that up.
• 47:25
  Evan: I also love holistic. One of the things that's also hysterical to me about the
• 47:29
  Evan: military part and them being incompetent is they're like, you know,
• 47:32
  Evan: they send a bunch of people to go check out their waste facility, like in the desert.
• 47:36
  Bill: Yeah.
• 47:37
  Evan: And they just go there like, oh, like checking through these doors.
• 47:39
  Evan: It's fine here, fine here. And then they get to one. There's like,
• 47:42
  Evan: oh, guys. And it's just like a hole in the back of the fucking thing.
• 47:45
  Ward: I love that buildup. I love the buildup because it's so serious.
• 47:49
  Ward: Like elite special ops dudes getting black hawked into a fucking nuclear facility, getting dropped in.
• 47:57
  Ward: They're going through clearing every single chamber systematically door by door.
• 48:02
  Ward: Like they know what they're doing. Nope. Too late.
• 48:05
  Evan: Did they not see the giant hole when they flew in over with the helicopter?
• 48:09
  Bill: No. Which is like, again, it's like my favorite thing. Because,
• 48:13
  Bill: again, this is like the military.
• 48:15
  Bill: It always felt to me like such a, it's like, yeah, I'll take your DOD money
• 48:20
  Bill: and I'm going to make you look like fucking idiots.
• 48:22
  Bill: Because who the fuck needed the military special ops figures to go to the door
• 48:27
  Bill: to door? A janitor could have done that. And you know what?
• 48:30
  Evan: Don't they have cameras?
• 48:32
  Bill: The janitor would have had just as much odds of dealing with the Muto if it was out as these guys.
• 48:39
  Bill: They're like, we have to send the special ops guys who also can't do anything.
• 48:46
  Bill: Anybody could have gone to those doors, but like, no, we have to make a show of force. To what?
• 48:52
  Bill: The fucking giant bug? It doesn't care about you. You're not important.
• 48:57
  Ward: Yeah, show of force, and we just got like dinky little M4s, nothing that can
• 49:01
  Ward: actually even seriously hurt a creature of that size.
• 49:05
  Evan: And then their plan is to put a nuke, which is on a train, to go to kill it, not thinking like, hmm.
• 49:14
  Evan: Gee, I wonder if the MUTO will try and follow said train with said nuke on it.
• 49:20
  Evan: Maybe that's not a good idea. And guess what?
• 49:22
  Evan: It wasn't a good idea. Narrator. Wasn't a good idea.
• 49:26
  Bill: Narrator voice. Wasn't a good idea.
• 49:27
  Ward: I mean, it would have been a funny scene with the janitor just like mopping the hallway.
• 49:31
  Bill: Yeah.
• 49:31
  Ward: And like the phone's ringing and it's the dudes on Monarch trying to get a hold of the facility.
• 49:36
  Ward: And he hears the phone ringing and then he just sees light shine through all
• 49:40
  Ward: of a sudden, like one of the visors.
• 49:41
  Evan: He's cleaning the windows of each of the little things.
• 49:45
  Ward: Oh, that'd be great. Yeah. And it just turns super bright all of a sudden.
• 49:48
  Bill: He just squeegees each one. We go to the last one.
• 49:50
  Evan: I will say, though, the train part and the scene on the train and sort of the,
• 49:55
  Evan: you know, they're underneath it and hanging.
• 49:58
  Evan: Like, that whole scene is pretty awesome. Great scene.
• 50:00
  Bill: And then when it comes back, when it comes to the tunnel on fire,
• 50:03
  Bill: cinematography is really, like,
• 50:06
  Bill: Including as ridiculous, stupid military porn as it is, but the Halo scene is an awesome scene.
• 50:15
  Ward: Yeah, there's no need for those smokes that they have deployed while they're dropping in.
• 50:20
  Bill: Yeah.
• 50:20
  Ward: There's not a single need for that.
• 50:23
  Bill: But it looked awesome.
• 50:24
  Ward: But it looks so fucking sick.
• 50:26
  Bill: Yeah.
• 50:27
  Ward: I wrote that in my notes. Literally no need for smoke, but looks fucking sick.
• 50:33
  Bill: Yeah, especially when one of the guys randomly gets taken out by the Mudo as he's coming down.
• 50:38
  Ward: Yeah, exactly. Like, that's why you didn't need the smoke, big guy.
• 50:42
  Bill: Yeah.
• 50:43
  Ward: But it looked really cool, so a dripper drown.
• 50:47
  Evan: They also make it seem that another, this is one of those just,
• 50:50
  Evan: like, film, you know, things that are just, you know, doesn't have to make sense, but it's fine.
• 50:57
  Evan: they make it seem like they go pretty deep into san
• 51:00
  Evan: francisco and yet they have like enough time to just carry the warhead
• 51:03
  Evan: like through the town they're like yeah we're just going
• 51:06
  Evan: to carry it to the water i mean i guess they're saying that he's very close
• 51:09
  Evan: to the you know to the uh to the
• 51:12
  Evan: water but the hole that that they built that the mutos create like in the ground
• 51:17
  Evan: where they're like laying their little nest is fucking huge yeah it looked cool
• 51:21
  Evan: as hell too that part also looked really good Like all of the CGI in this movie
• 51:25
  Evan: looks a thousand times better than probably 90% of the Marvel movies.
• 51:29
  Bill: Absolutely. I mean.
• 51:30
  Evan: And it was made right around the time that Marvel was starting to make their
• 51:33
  Evan: movies, right? Like 2010.
• 51:36
  Evan: Well, I guess the Iron Man movies are. No, when is that? Like 20. 2008. Five?
• 51:43
  Ward: Maybe. I don't know. I want to say 2008. Why do I want to say 2008?
• 51:47
  Bill: 2008. You were right.
• 51:50
  Ward: That's the first time.
• 51:51
  Evan: Right? Yep. So it was by this time they had made, you know, like a lot of them.
• 51:55
  Bill: I feel like 20 will be soon.
• 51:56
  Evan: I don't even know.
• 51:58
  Evan: For those listening, I'm going to tell you exactly how many they made.
• 52:02
  Ward: Probably into like whatever the fuck, phase fucking two at that point.
• 52:06
  Evan: They were at, 2014 was Captain America Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy.
• 52:12
  Bill: Damn, yeah, that is like.
• 52:13
  Ward: Yeah, they're building up for Civil War. Yeah, see?
• 52:16
  Evan: So they're seven movies deep at that point.
• 52:18
  Bill: They're building up for Civil War and downgrading their special effects budget.
• 52:23
  Evan: I mean, those early ones, like the original Thor and those Iron Man movies,
• 52:26
  Evan: those look pretty good as far as effects go.
• 52:28
  Ward: I feel like Godzilla destroyed like three Navy battleships, which was pretty fucking sick.
• 52:34
  Evan: I also like that at some point he like purposely sit, like swims underneath
• 52:38
  Evan: them. He's like, yeah, I don't need to fuck this one up.
• 52:40
  Evan: Cause that's where all the good characters are. I'll just swim underneath it.
• 52:43
  Bill: Well, that's like a recurring theme is like, you know, like if you don't get
• 52:48
  Bill: in his way, he doesn't bother you. Like, right.
• 52:51
  Bill: If not, he's not a hunter, just leave him alone. He will do what he needs to
• 52:56
  Bill: do and then go back for, a nap like come.
• 53:00
  Evan: On godzilla joy destroy the financial district.
• 53:03
  Bill: Please i mean he will destroy the financial district he will do that he doesn't
• 53:09
  Bill: even mean to it's just you know his tail's really long and it just just knocks buildings over and.
• 53:13
  Ward: Those hips don't lie.
• 53:14
  Bill: No they think.
• 53:15
  Ward: Sway it's happens.
• 53:17
  Bill: He's got and you know he's got thunder thighs it's.
• 53:19
  Evan: A bear market after he comes through.
• 53:21
  Bill: I actually don't know what that means.
• 53:23
  Evan: It just means that it's the bad time for both stocks.
• 53:27
  Ward: It's a down market.
• 53:29
  Evan: Actually, it would be a good time if you were like a military contractor,
• 53:32
  Evan: though, and you need to rebuild the city afterwards.
• 53:34
  Bill: But yeah, it's time and again. And even they show the whole bridge scene.
• 53:39
  Bill: If they hadn't fucking attacked him, he wouldn't have even done anything to the bridge.
• 53:43
  Bill: We time and again return to the impotence of humans in the face of nature,
• 53:47
  Bill: and their attempts to control it are what lead to disaster. they are what lead
• 53:53
  Bill: to cut like things coming back onto them.
• 53:56
  Evan: I'm no engineer but didn't he break part of the golden gate bridge and yet it didn't collapse.
• 54:01
  Bill: Uh there i mean yes there's also like there's redundancy built in i don't know
• 54:06
  Bill: how much but there is redundancy built in yeah.
• 54:08
  Ward: I'm not there's there's there's got to be a little bit that it can give it can
• 54:13
  Ward: lose before like structural all structural integrity is lost.
• 54:16
  Bill: I mean we do learn like i think it does like totally collapse in the end or
• 54:20
  Bill: like at least partially collapse in the end.
• 54:22
  Evan: I think we learned that later on. I mean, the thing that's crazy is like the
• 54:26
  Evan: little kid, you know, is like constantly in harm's way and you're like there
• 54:30
  Evan: was actually a moment when I remember seeing it the first time being like,
• 54:32
  Evan: is the kid gonna die and you know.
• 54:34
  Bill: Like Which little kid? There's two little kids that are constantly in harm's way for a period of time.
• 54:40
  Evan: That's true. I meant his son, like the, you know, the what's his name? Joe's son.
• 54:45
  Evan: Joe? No, Joe's the father. What's the Joe's the father?
• 54:49
  Ward: Ford.
• 54:50
  Evan: Ford, right. Like there's like multiple scenes where it's like,
• 54:52
  Evan: yeah, son, I'll see you tomorrow. And then like, he's gone for a really long
• 54:56
  Evan: time. You're like, is he going to see him again?
• 54:57
  Evan: You know, at the end you think he's going to die and then he doesn't die.
• 55:01
  Evan: He's not in the second one, right?
• 55:03
  Bill: No, none of the people in this movie are in the second one.
• 55:05
  Evan: It's all, it's completely new, right? No.
• 55:07
  Bill: One of my least favorite people.
• 55:09
  Evan: I forgot that. I haven't seen that one, I don't think, since it came out.
• 55:12
  Evan: Yeah, she's not a good actor.
• 55:14
  Bill: The second one is- No.
• 55:15
  Evan: Sally Hawkins is in it again.
• 55:16
  Bill: Yes. Oh, yes. I'm sorry. Yes. Well, yeah. I'm sorry. The like,
• 55:21
  Bill: you know- Side characters are in it. The Brody people, the, you know, they're not in it.
• 55:26
  Bill: But like the Monarch characters, yes, they are.
• 55:29
  Evan: And Dyson Stratham is in it again.
• 55:30
  Bill: Yeah. Yeah.
• 55:31
  Evan: Stratham.
• 55:32
  Bill: But none of the Brodies. Which makes sense.
• 55:35
  Bill: Like you would want to be as far away from that as possible if that happens
• 55:39
  Bill: to you. Like you would not want to be involved in that at all.
• 55:41
  Evan: Is that far enough?
• 55:41
  Bill: Yeah.
• 55:41
  Ward: Dude, the fucking miracles they had to, like, make for the fucking Ford Brody
• 55:46
  Ward: just to be able to get chained through the whole thing, like,
• 55:50
  Ward: that's not happening for any military guy.
• 55:52
  Ward: Like, it's not happening. He's not getting briefed in and then letting go and
• 55:57
  Ward: then getting adopted in by some other fucking, by army guys getting brought
• 56:01
  Ward: in and then magically has his fucking Navy kit when he gets told,
• 56:06
  Ward: yeah, you can come with us army guys. No.
• 56:09
  Bill: I mean, I can't speak to that. it's.
• 56:13
  Ward: Silliness it's it's absolute silliness.
• 56:15
  Bill: I mean i gotta be honest ford is a so not an important aspect of this movie for me.
• 56:23
  Ward: Oh, no, I'm absolutely sure.
• 56:25
  Evan: No.
• 56:26
  Ward: Yeah, why would you care about that guy in a big monster movie?
• 56:28
  Evan: Yeah, none of the, well, they also have Elizabeth Olsen in it, is his wife.
• 56:33
  Bill: I cannot find the name of the child that plays the son. Look, I literally, I cannot.
• 56:38
  Evan: Oh, they mention it. Well, because, you know, so when they were producing,
• 56:43
  Evan: when they were originally, he wasn't the original character.
• 56:46
  Evan: Aaron Taylor Johnson was not their first pick. It was supposed to be Joseph Gordon-Levitt.
• 56:51
  Bill: Who turned it down.
• 56:52
  Evan: But no, C.J. Adams plays him as a boy. That's the actor.
• 56:56
  Bill: No, I met his son.
• 56:57
  Evan: Oh, you're talking about his son.
• 56:59
  Bill: I met his son. I cannot find the name of his son.
• 57:02
  Evan: They don't list it in IMDb.
• 57:03
  Bill: I'm not.
• 57:04
  Evan: I mean, maybe he could be, well, you think he'd be credited for,
• 57:07
  Evan: he's in like multiple scenes.
• 57:08
  Bill: I'm sure he's credited. I'm on Wikipedia, but he's just not included.
• 57:12
  Evan: Wikipedia is not very good when it comes to showing more than the first collection,
• 57:18
  Evan: especially in a movie like this where there's so many people who are in this.
• 57:20
  Evan: you know, there's all the other military dudes. And then, Oh.
• 57:24
  Bill: Carson bold, a Sam Brody.
• 57:27
  Bill: finally found it he was buried really like at the bottom but he was totally an action vote when.
• 57:32
  Evan: You said he was buried i'm like did he die and i didn't realize that.
• 57:34
  Bill: Like no he didn't die.
• 57:35
  Ward: This poor kid not that buried.
• 57:38
  Bill: Yeah i i just you know like for me this movie really sets this and and like
• 57:43
  Bill: as a person who is um and has always been like very environmentally minded like
• 57:49
  Bill: that's been And like that,
• 57:51
  Bill: the environment was very much like my path into like leftism and Marxism and
• 57:57
  Bill: like, you know, social justice, like, you know, social justice revolution.
• 58:00
  Bill: um to me this movie always was
• 58:04
  Bill: always like very meaningful because of
• 58:07
  Bill: the like the lessons that it imparted about systems and nature and how humans
• 58:15
  Bill: need to really come to terms with like they are part of nature they cannot control
• 58:21
  Bill: it like that was why this movie has always meant so much to me.
• 58:26
  Bill: Um, cause it's, for me, it's one of the most important, like allegorical,
• 58:32
  Bill: like pieces in terms of that.
• 58:34
  Bill: Um, and it like really sets it, you know, I think it's one of the most,
• 58:41
  Bill: you know, it's a very successful, like lesson for that, that allegory of like, you know,
• 58:46
  Bill: nature and humanity's place within it. And they continue that throughout the movies.
• 58:50
  Bill: And it's always very meaningful, meaningful, meaningful to me for that.
• 58:55
  Ward: No, absolutely. I mean, it's, and it's not even hard to like come to that,
• 58:58
  Ward: like conclude, like conclusion on your own too.
• 59:02
  Ward: You just go, you just sit there going, damn, what would it be like if we had
• 59:06
  Ward: to like a giant monster that like was to protect us?
• 59:09
  Ward: But he like fuck shit up sometimes. And it's like, oh shit, that's us.
• 59:12
  Ward: Oh fuck. We should probably be better.
• 59:15
  Bill: And like it also like it so much so that like even like the design because the
• 59:21
  Bill: design of Godzilla for the 2014 got a lot of flack and it's like the design of Godzilla is,
• 59:28
  Bill: even ties into that because it is a more realistic
• 59:32
  Bill: a biologically realistic design
• 59:35
  Bill: of godzilla in the way he is formed yeah but it's gotten a lot of flack because
• 59:41
  Bill: of like the legs especially in the way the feet are but it's like they explain
• 59:46
  Bill: why like you know and it's it makes sense it's like you know godzilla his like
• 59:49
  Bill: lower form is built like an elephant and that makes sense because elephants how else.
• 59:54
  Ward: You're going to support that much weight.
• 59:56
  Bill: Yeah and that.
• 59:57
  Ward: Much mass especially on land if you're an amphibious creature like that.
• 1:00:01
  Bill: Right you're.
• 1:00:02
  Ward: Gonna have to be massive.
• 1:00:03
  Bill: Yeah and it's especially.
• 1:00:05
  Ward: If you want to keep the bipedal.
• 1:00:06
  Evan: I mean i'm a lay person i'm i'm not the like you know i'm not a godzilla expert
• 1:00:10
  Evan: so for me i'm not looking at it based on sort of the historical nature i'm just
• 1:00:14
  Evan: like it just looked really good and seemed like it made sense to me.
• 1:00:17
  Ward: I mean if you want to stick to like that like kind of like that bipedal nature
• 1:00:21
  Ward: of godzilla you gotta have a heavy ass bottom end to be able to support that mass realistically.
• 1:00:28
  Bill: But it's not just the, it's the literally the, the, the legs and feet are like
• 1:00:32
  Bill: columnar column, columnar, like, like the way elephants are,
• 1:00:36
  Bill: where he doesn't have like huge, like talents on his feet. It's really more
• 1:00:40
  Bill: of a pad, you know, much like an elephant.
• 1:00:43
  Bill: And that's, it makes sense. Like they, the designers, like it's,
• 1:00:46
  Bill: it's part of the whole thing that it's like, they paid attention to nature.
• 1:00:50
  Bill: They paid attention to like the way, the world functions in telling a story
• 1:00:55
  Bill: about how you humans are part of nature and you have to pay respect to it and
• 1:00:59
  Bill: you you don't control it you know they they paid attention to the whole thing
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  Bill: and that was always like although that was like really like important important part of it i just.
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  Evan: Found uh there's a website that actually lists how tall godzilla is supposed
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  Evan: to be in every single movie.
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  Bill: Which is.
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  Evan: Oh that's great do you what do you what do you do you know do you know bill already.
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  Bill: What do you think what.
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  Evan: Do you think what would you say.
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  Ward: Oh shit in this movie yeah if i had to guess oh shit like,
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  Ward: What, like 600, 700 feet tall?
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  Evan: No.
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  Bill: No.
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  Evan: Not quite that tall. 354, they claim.
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  Ward: I don't know. I'm bad.
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  Bill: Yeah.
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  Evan: But it's taller than a lot of other movies.
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  Bill: It's taller than almost all other Godzillas. He is one of the tallest Godzillas.
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  Evan: In the Shin Godzilla that made him taller.
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  Ward: He seems fucking massive.
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  Bill: He is one of the tallest Godzillas. Shin Godzilla is taller,
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  Bill: but Shin Godzilla is also built weird.
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  Ward: Yeah, Shin Godzilla is weird.
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  Bill: But yeah, he is one of the taller ones. I will tell you that,
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  Bill: like, as a person who has written extensive, you know, uh,
• 1:02:02
  Bill: fiction involving giant monsters, you quickly realize how big three fifth,
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  Bill: like you think to yourself like, oh, he's gigantic. He should be like 600 feet tall.
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  Bill: And then you like, look it up and you're like, oh wait, no, that's fucking huge.
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  Bill: Like that is really, really insanely tall, you know, like, and you start to
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  Bill: realize like, oh, like in actuality, like three.
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  Bill: 300 feet tall is already like mind-blowingly large for an organism.
• 1:02:32
  Ward: Yeah.
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  Evan: Yeah. Like the thing that I always think is interesting when I watch like some
• 1:02:36
  Evan: of the movies where they have him standing in the ocean.
• 1:02:39
  Bill: Yes. It seems like he's able to stand. Yes. That is a recurring issue with,
• 1:02:44
  Bill: um, the movies in general.
• 1:02:46
  Ward: He's insanely good at shredding water with his lower half.
• 1:02:50
  Evan: He does the Godzilla paddle.
• 1:02:51
  Bill: That is a, um, you know, a recurring issue.
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  Bill: For reference, and I like to return to this as like a baseline when I often
• 1:03:01
  Bill: like I'm doing like height stuff for things like when I'm writing the Statue of Liberty. Okay.
• 1:03:07
  Bill: Just the statue. How tall do you think just the statue is? Not including the pedestal.
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  Ward: 110 feet.
• 1:03:14
  Bill: It's 151 feet with the pedestal from ground level to torch. How tall.
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  Ward: See, I have to go complete opposite. I got to go like conservative guesses because
• 1:03:24
  Ward: I went six, seven hundred early on.
• 1:03:26
  Evan: No, it's a 290. Oh, it's like 300.
• 1:03:29
  Bill: So when you think that, like how, the statue of Philippi is fucking huge. Like it's really big.
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  Evan: And it's almost 100 feet bigger than that.
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  Bill: Right. And it's like, and you think, you're like, oh, wait, like my perception
• 1:03:40
  Bill: of how big things are is actually like really fun. and it's like you know we
• 1:03:44
  Bill: don't really realize and then you like you compare it to things like oh that's
• 1:03:47
  Bill: gigantic like that's really big.
• 1:03:48
  Evan: It's so funny that when i went to goop when i went to duck duck go to type in
• 1:03:52
  Evan: how tall is the very first suggested option is baron trump why i don't i don't know he's a lot.
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  Ward: Shorter than god's off is he supposed to be like because he's supposed i think
• 1:04:03
  Ward: he's like seven foot and so because there's a lot of memes about a baron trump
• 1:04:08
  Ward: should be in the nba he should just give up he should just give up on his family
• 1:04:12
  Ward: and politics and just join the NBA he just needs to learn how to ball he should
• 1:04:15
  Ward: just become a point guard his true calling King.
• 1:04:18
  Evan: Kong by comparison is only 104 feet in this universe Godzilla is triple plus
• 1:04:24
  Evan: his height three and a half.
• 1:04:26
  Ward: Times yeah how's fucking Kong Kong's not winning that fight so.
• 1:04:29
  Bill: Kong grows as.
• 1:04:31
  Evan: The monster first continues yes in the later one he made he's like 300 feet.
• 1:04:33
  Ward: Oh okay that's fine then there's also the fact that.
• 1:04:39
  Bill: Like Like Kong, again, is like a sentient species.
• 1:04:43
  Bill: Like Kong uses weapons. Like he's.
• 1:04:47
  Ward: Yeah. And he made the, he made the decision to use steroids.
• 1:04:50
  Bill: And he did that too.
• 1:04:52
  Ward: I get it.
• 1:04:52
  Bill: Yeah.
• 1:04:52
  Ward: I get it. You know, it's very much like Barry Bonds' situation.
• 1:04:56
  Evan: Yeah, he's wanting to hit the war home.
• 1:04:57
  Ward: Did you see Mark McGuire? Yeah, I would do steroids too.
• 1:05:01
  Ward: And like, so Kong saw Godzilla and was like, dude, I got to hit the juice.
• 1:05:10
  Evan: What's that guy benching? I mean, geez.
• 1:05:13
  Bill: So, in King of Monsters, the sequel, Godzilla is 394.
• 1:05:19
  Evan: I assume there are people that are talking about why they change height in the same universe.
• 1:05:24
  Bill: He grew.
• 1:05:25
  Evan: Okay.
• 1:05:26
  Bill: That's what it is.
• 1:05:27
  Evan: He had a growth spurt.
• 1:05:28
  Bill: Because he grew. I mean, a big part of it is he literally evolves.
• 1:05:34
  Bill: Evolution is a huge part of the Legendaryverse. Evolution and adaptation is a huge part of it.
• 1:05:41
  Evan: I really want to see someone do like a Photoshop of King Kong with like a Giants
• 1:05:46
  Evan: jersey on, like playing baseball, you know, like he's swinging the bat,
• 1:05:52
  Evan: you know, how many, who would he sign with?
• 1:05:55
  Evan: Who would sign King Kong? I assume the Yankees.
• 1:05:58
  Ward: Savannah Bananas for sure.
• 1:06:01
  Ward: He'd be a fool not to take it.
• 1:06:03
  Evan: You've been listening to Left of the Projector. This is Evan and we'll catch you next time.
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  Ward: Have a good one.
• 1:06:08
  Bill: This is Bill signing off.