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John Cadogan on EV fires & the Cybertruck...our Christmas special · The Driver's Show

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  Speaker 1: All right, we'll just take a moment everyone, because this
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  Speaker 1: is obviously a John Kodogan episode. We're all three of
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  Speaker 1: us are here, and I imagine there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: car companies listening right now. They're just waiting for their
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  Speaker 1: lawyer to come in the office. So we'll give you
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  Speaker 1: guys a minute. So just get your note pad and
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  Speaker 1: pens ready and we'll transcribers. We'll start in a second. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the transcribers. Wasn't that fun last time? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: John, I don't know if you know this, but last
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  Speaker 2: time you were here, we had we're chatting about.
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  Speaker 1: A variety of topics and an email from.
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  Speaker 2: A certain car company and there was four or five
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  Speaker 2: pages of transcription of a particular section.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't like that.
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  Speaker 2: I am absolutely toughed that you paid someone to transcribe
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  Speaker 2: word for word.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's not liking it is okay, that's allowed.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what of the funniest things about it
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  Speaker 1: was some idiot from these car companies was paid good
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  Speaker 1: money to transcribe this podcast. Let's just call this idiot. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, no. But the best bit is.
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  Speaker 3: Was there a threat that went with it? Please tell
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  Speaker 3: me there was it? Was injurious falsehood.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, it was a veiled threat. It was one
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  Speaker 2: of those ones where if you ask them to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: follow it up, they probably wouldn't. But I was just
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  Speaker 2: so pleased that someone actually wasted time transcribing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is awesome, and then that nothing screams validation
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  Speaker 3: louder than that. Yep, we care about what you said.
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  Speaker 3: Here's a transcription and the threat.
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  Speaker 1: And as I'm reading it, I actually left. I'm like
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  Speaker 1: that bit was quite funny. Actually, yeah, it was such
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  Speaker 1: a BS transcription too, because it was a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a sort of back and forth between between us all
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  Speaker 1: and like some some big chunky bits from yourself and
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  Speaker 1: then Paul, then you, then Paul, and then it gets
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  Speaker 1: to Gordy and it was like my one line in
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  Speaker 1: this school play, and it was like my big one
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  Speaker 1: line in this entire thing was something so unimportant like yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I bet she's got an itchy vagina, right, And
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  Speaker 1: then it goes back and forth like enough to dip
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  Speaker 1: him over the edge. So John Kodogin's in the house.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome buddy, Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: But I am sorry though that the podcast has come
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  Speaker 3: to this, because last time I spoke to you it
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  Speaker 3: was going so well, and how long has it been
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  Speaker 3: on the slide where you had to get you know,
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  Speaker 3: dredge up me again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well let's it.
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  Speaker 2: Trevor wasn't available, so we thought, you don't want to
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  Speaker 2: know what Trevor's been up to, mate.
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  Speaker 1: He's been back on the piss, he's fallen off the wagon.
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  Speaker 1: The guy who doesn't drink has been seen out the
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  Speaker 1: front of a pub and he's back on the lemon Ruskies. Like,
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  Speaker 1: what a fucking units.
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  Speaker 3: I do hate it to see a good man's slip.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought we'd kick off this discussion.
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  Speaker 2: You went on a trip recently with Mitsubishi to the
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  Speaker 2: Flinders Rangers and this is the.
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  Speaker 3: Most dignified car company tantrum of all time. Dude, Like,
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  Speaker 3: I roast the shit out of their marketing for the
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  Speaker 3: Outlander plug in hybrid and they said, yeah, we can
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  Speaker 3: see where you're coming from. Would you like to come
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  Speaker 3: to the Flinders Ranges because it's actually pretty good off
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  Speaker 3: road and we want to show you. And what was
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  Speaker 3: I going to say?
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  Speaker 1: No, fuck off, come on, I'm doing my hair that
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  Speaker 1: I went.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well that that'd a bit. That sounds like
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  Speaker 3: fun because all of a sudden, you've got resources. You
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  Speaker 3: can interview the CEO, and the tech guy comes along,
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  Speaker 3: and they've got a cinematographer and you can actually it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't look like a vlog because somebody else is shooting
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  Speaker 3: it with a proper camera, and you can put it
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  Speaker 3: together in different ways, and there's a master interview with
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  Speaker 3: the boss and a master interview with Yoda of this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: It was all quite It was almost like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: being a professional.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be also interesting to see what they use on
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  Speaker 1: their behalf as well, do you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Like you'd be there kind of doing your thing. I
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  Speaker 1: wonder if they'd use any John Kdogan grabs.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they didn't really. I knew Oliver Man, who was
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  Speaker 3: their marketing director for ages and is the sort of
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  Speaker 3: Yoda of their pr. I've known him for a couple
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  Speaker 3: of decades, so he knew me quite well. But the
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  Speaker 3: rest of them expected me to be the character on YouTube,
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  Speaker 3: like that toxic shitthead who just comes out occasionally in
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  Speaker 3: the most garage. And I think it was it was
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  Speaker 3: just difference, like I don't know meeting anybody else who's
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  Speaker 3: got a persona, but it's less than you expect in
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  Speaker 3: many ways.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was actually curious to see what you thought,
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  Speaker 2: because a lot of people don't know and they didn't
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  Speaker 2: really advertise this week. We found this out after. I
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  Speaker 2: think it was the original launch of the outlanda plug
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  Speaker 2: in hybrid that their CEO drove across part of the
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  Speaker 2: Simpson Desert in one and it was lightly modified. I
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  Speaker 2: think it all terrains on it, and it was a
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  Speaker 2: couple of other sort of bits and pieces, but it
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  Speaker 2: was fairly stock in that regard. What did you think
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  Speaker 2: about the actual And obviously this isn't a land Creus
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  Speaker 2: of three hundreds. You're not expecting it to be able
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  Speaker 2: to climb a rock face.
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  Speaker 3: Now, It's not one of those high luxes where some
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  Speaker 3: punter goes to ab and slaps fifty grand on them
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  Speaker 3: desk and goes.
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  Speaker 1: Just get started and I'll tell you when you stop, mate.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not that. But the reality is I see
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  Speaker 3: a lot of families, right, and they get a land
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  Speaker 3: cruiser or a high lux and they spend twenty grand
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  Speaker 3: on it, and it's optimized for their adventuring, which they
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  Speaker 3: do for two to four weeks a year, which is
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  Speaker 3: something like ninety five per percent of the time, the
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  Speaker 3: driving that they do, it's not optimized for and in
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  Speaker 3: fact it's fairly shit at that Whereas you know, we
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  Speaker 3: didn't do that kind of real aggressive, hardcore four wheel driving,
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  Speaker 3: but we did some stuff that would have stopped some
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  Speaker 3: other soft roaders, right, And it was really interesting to
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  Speaker 3: drive a vehicle that's only got electric drive to the
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  Speaker 3: wheels at that speed and the super all ohel control
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  Speaker 3: it's very capable. You get two wheels up in the
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  Speaker 3: air and everything had just there'd be a like a pause.
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  Speaker 3: Things have been spinning and the super all wheel control
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  Speaker 3: got a problem. Houston and figures it out and then
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  Speaker 3: you just start moving again. So hats off to them
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  Speaker 3: for having the balls to do that and bringing Satan along,
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  Speaker 3: Like Jesus, that's a ballsy call.
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  Speaker 2: But they all want their best behavior, making sure we're
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  Speaker 2: recording them.
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  Speaker 3: They were refreshingly authentic, normal people.
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  Speaker 1: That's good, which is.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of very unlike a lot of other car company
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  Speaker 3: interactions you have as a journalist where they've all got
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  Speaker 3: the game face on and it never drops.
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  Speaker 1: How was that, by the way, how was it mingling
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  Speaker 1: with the vultures that is the car industry? The other
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  Speaker 1: journals because I walk into those things and I'm just like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I do not fit in obviously.
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  Speaker 3: Well imagine being or not universally but almost universally detested.
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  Speaker 3: Because one of the most hilarious things about car makers
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  Speaker 3: and journalists, right, car makers invite journalists to have their
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  Speaker 3: product reviewed, but they hate criticism and motoring journalists spend
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  Speaker 3: their lives reviewing cars, so they spend their lives actually
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  Speaker 3: assessing critiquing other people's products, and they hate it when
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  Speaker 3: their product is critiqued by anyone. And I find that
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  Speaker 3: totally perverse. Like You're going to review endlessly some product
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  Speaker 3: right from all these different manufacturers, and if you fuck
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  Speaker 3: it up, you hate being reviewed critiqued.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you condition out but you can't take it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm happy for anyone to critique me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: oh a ton of there's a ton of critique. Like
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  Speaker 3: you put your head above the trend. There's no shortage
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  Speaker 3: of freaking critique, dude, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, look, I think it's interesting when you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: the journalist's side of things, because that landscape is changing.
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  Speaker 2: Like back when you were sort of properly in the industry,
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  Speaker 2: it was typically older men who had been doing it
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  Speaker 2: for a long time. They had a big bank of
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  Speaker 2: knowledge and you could actually rely on them to give
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  Speaker 2: you a good comparison to other vehicles these days, go
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  Speaker 2: to an event and it's full of influencers.
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  Speaker 1: Excuse me, sorry, could you just come me in influence
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  Speaker 1: that I was just pointing past you? Other influences right, Yep.
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  Speaker 2: It's genuinely just people that they know having a social
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  Speaker 2: media account that will get them some coverage for their brand,
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  Speaker 2: and they know most importantly that that person probably won't
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  Speaker 2: be critical because it's a new car and.
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  Speaker 1: It's a free lunch.
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  Speaker 2: So that that landscape is changing a lot, and it's
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  Speaker 2: moved very much away from being in a position where
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  Speaker 2: you can openly be critical about something on a manufacturer
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  Speaker 2: event because they're so perfectly crafted for them to get
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  Speaker 2: the sort of outcome that they want from it.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the information, here's the product. You can take as
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  Speaker 3: many selfies as you want, here's your video assets, here's
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  Speaker 3: your still image assets.
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  Speaker 2: Just be nice, yep, exactly, That's all you have to do.
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  Speaker 3: But the funniest thing to me is like when I
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  Speaker 3: was in the industry, I would have a woman from
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  Speaker 3: a particular car company ring me up after everything I
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  Speaker 3: did on Wheels magazine or something, and I'd see her
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  Speaker 3: number come up on the phone and go Jesus, and
• 9:04
  Speaker 3: I just say, OK, what have I got wrong this month?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 3: And since I burned all the bridges, like since the carnage,
• 9:12
  Speaker 3: a post apocalypse of me, I never get a call.
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  Speaker 3: It's like you can strafe at will hell, fire missiles,
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  Speaker 3: whatever any ordinance you want, and it's like the response
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  Speaker 3: is deafening silence. Like you get a transcription. I get nothing.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good Can I ask what was it? What
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  Speaker 1: was it? Like? Sort of going back a little bit
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  Speaker 1: that time when you're sort of breaking out and you're
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: doing your own thing, like it's it's kind of like
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  Speaker 1: you've broken format, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: It's like you've burnt the Koran on the steps of
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  Speaker 3: the moths, right, You've.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of you've done this set way and everyone's happy,
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  Speaker 1: smiley people for a long long time, and then all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden you're like, fuck it, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: do my own thing. I'm going to go shoot my
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  Speaker 1: sheer it literally in my garage, but I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about what I really think Is that a nerve
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  Speaker 1: raking experience or is that? But is it also a
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  Speaker 1: liberating experience.
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  Speaker 3: It's nerve wracking first and because you don't know what's
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  Speaker 3: going to happen, right. It's like getting into the ring.
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  Speaker 3: When you get into the ring with an opponent for
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  Speaker 3: the first time. You don't know what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know if they're going to murder you, right,
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  Speaker 3: and then you figure them out a little bit and
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  Speaker 3: you're just kind of playing along. And then so it
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  Speaker 3: really was utterly nerve wracking to do it because there's
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  Speaker 3: no coming back, right. It is Dresden on the fifteenth
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  Speaker 3: of February nineteen forty five. And then afterwards it's just liberating.
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  Speaker 3: Now I've got two different camps of car makers. I've
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  Speaker 3: got the car makers that I will communicate with and
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  Speaker 3: I'll say, hey, I'm doing a package on you, and
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  Speaker 3: you're not.
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  Speaker 1: Going to like it, you know, so you word them up.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I've got a small number of car makers that
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  Speaker 3: I've got enough respect for. Principally they're pr people. I
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  Speaker 3: think they're professional or ethical whatever. I've got a decent
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  Speaker 3: enough relationship with them. It's not whether I like them
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  Speaker 3: or not. It's whether I respect them professionally, and I
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  Speaker 3: just word them up. I say, hey, just say you
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  Speaker 3: don't get blindsided. You know this release that you put out.
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  Speaker 3: I'm having a real crack at it. And they're the
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  Speaker 3: ones who've often said to me, like, we love your staff, dude,
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: as long as it's not about.
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  Speaker 1: Us, right, it's a media watch.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of that, and the rest of them
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  Speaker 3: it's just a gravity bomb from left field. And I
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  Speaker 3: do find it liberating not to not to have to
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  Speaker 3: worry about like I remember one time a major car
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  Speaker 3: company that no longer operates in Australia. All manufacturers cars
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  Speaker 3: in Australia, which one had a had a lion on
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  Speaker 3: the bonnet, and there was a story on I think
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  Speaker 3: it was a current affair. No, it's today tonight, and
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  Speaker 3: they were really not happy with it, and all I was,
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  Speaker 3: all I was. The only thing I did was I
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  Speaker 3: was interviewed, right, so a producer rang me up. I
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  Speaker 3: never heard of this producer. I didn't know them. And
• 12:11
  Speaker 3: I was on the road to Canberra and they said,
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  Speaker 3: we'd really like to talk about Asian cars and the
• 12:15
  Speaker 3: proliferation of Asian cars. I was like, yeah, okay, sure,
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: but I'm on the road to Canberra, and they said
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  Speaker 3: we'll just do it in the studio at Parliament House,
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: and I went sure. So I drive there and I'm
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: dressed like a scumbag like I had now like in
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  Speaker 3: my regular and I had to dress up like a criminal,
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: so I had to put a proper shirt on and
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: you know, leather shoes and all of that stuff, and
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: walk in looking like a borderline criminal tooir the National
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  Speaker 3: Monument to the death of integrity. Anyway, we do this,
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  Speaker 3: we do this interview. I'm happy with everything I said,
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  Speaker 3: but the rest of the report was a piece of
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  Speaker 3: shit and factually incorrect, and I had nothing to do
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  Speaker 3: with it. Anyway. They're advertising dude, their top advertising dude
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  Speaker 3: goes talks to seven stop advertising dude, and the usual
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  Speaker 3: threats come out, and I go under the bus. I go,
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  Speaker 3: hang on a minute. Everything I said was accurate and right,
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  Speaker 3: like factually correct. The rest of the report, go and
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  Speaker 3: talk to the reporter about that, because that ain't me, dude.
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  Speaker 1: It's the good thing about free media with stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: And I imagine when you sort of break away from
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  Speaker 1: say a magazine or what you're sort of traditionally used to.
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  Speaker 1: As you said, it's like, fuck, I'm how am I
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  Speaker 1: going to own a living? I'm going out on my own.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing this YouTube thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's not even that. It's like to get a story
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  Speaker 3: up on tabloid TV. The approvals process is like Jesus,
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  Speaker 3: You've got to get a reporter on side, and he's
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: got to get a producer on side, and the executive
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  Speaker 3: producer's got to sign off. And one time, when I
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: was working for Channel nine, the executive producer of a
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  Speaker 3: current affair says, come out for lunch. I go sure, right,
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: So we go out to lunch to that restaurant in
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: Crow's Nest where they do all the deals, that Chinese restaurant.
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  Speaker 3: And I've got ten pictures right, like in my repertoire,
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  Speaker 3: I've got here are the top ten stories I think
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  Speaker 3: we should do, because when does this opportunity come up?
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  Speaker 3: Like statistically never and I go boom, mostly because it's
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: TV and everyone's got a short attention span. Most impressive story.
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: First toll road challenge right where we go and get
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: identical cars from an identical start point. We end up
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: in the CBD. One car does a rat run another
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: car takes the toll roads right, and the EP looks
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: at me and goes, dude, that's not for us. I
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: can't see that working. So about six weeks later, I
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: get this call from a reporter and he goes, mate, mate,
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  Speaker 3: we need a story. We need it pretty quickly. We
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  Speaker 3: need to do it. This week got to be carstory.
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  Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. I got toll Road Challenge and the
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: goldfish has gone around the bowl but ten times, you know,
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: and they go, yeah, okay, we'll do that challenge.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: It breaks.
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  Speaker 3: It's freaking tits off that we've got the chopper up
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  Speaker 3: and all of that, and and that we're next thing.
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  Speaker 3: I know, we're doing toll road Challenge in Melbourne and
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  Speaker 3: challenge in fucking Brisbane and they've got no idea what's
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  Speaker 3: going to rate.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So when you're doing your own thing, you have
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  Speaker 3: this meeting with the production team in the freaking shower
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  Speaker 3: every morning and you go, we're going to do this,
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  Speaker 3: and the team goes right, and we just do that. It's great,
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  Speaker 3: very streamline.
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  Speaker 1: I wont saw a news story speaking of Tolero challenges
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  Speaker 1: similar sort of thing, which was demonstrating how terrible Melbourne
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: traffic was right, and they literally got a car starting
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  Speaker 1: from point A to point B during peak hour and
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Steve Montaghetti starting in point A to point B and
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  Speaker 1: it was like fucking hell. I just remember them selling
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  Speaker 1: the shit out of this. I'm like, this is this
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  Speaker 1: is news? What's name he Robson doing? Isn't she a
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: certified journal No, she's She's got a fucking lizard on
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: her shoulder and probably a porno passed. I imagine we did.
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  Speaker 3: The same thing on sixty Minutes with Liam Bartlett when
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: he was on sixty We we got I think it
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  Speaker 3: was Steve Montaghetty and he ran along. He ran from
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: the spit to the CBD and it was like a
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  Speaker 3: photo finish at the opera house and the way sixty
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  Speaker 3: Minutes roll there was like fifteen camera crews and the
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  Speaker 3: chopper and it's like, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Steve Montaghetti, just on a side note, was like a
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  Speaker 2: mega name at my primary school because I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 2: he was from Geelong. When he was in the Comwealth
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  Speaker 2: Games or the Olympic Games or something, he was running
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  Speaker 2: and they got the satellite TV up for us to
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: watch it at primaries.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: And now how the tides have change. You just walked
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: through that. Hey, kids, you need me to do a talk,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: and then the police come and take it away. Stay
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: away from the children. Yes, I'm curious.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: I watched twenty videos on the weekend about the cyber
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: truck and look if you put the styling to one side,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: because I think it looks totally fucking stupid.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: If you put that to one side, well.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Let's put it down as distinctive.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, distinctive, there it is.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: I just think electric trucks in general are just such
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: a stupid idea if you try and use them as
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: an electric truck which is towing safe.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: On fundamental physics, they're ridiculous.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: It's insane. The battery is enormous.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: When you get into this law of diminishing returns, right,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: because when you make the vehicle bigger, you need a
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: bigger battery to haul it around. And batteries are bloody
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: heavy things because they're not very energy dense. So you
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: need a heavy battery to hold a comparatively small amount
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: of energy with respect to the amount of energy you
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: would have with, for example, hydrocarbons. And therefore the bigger
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: you make the vehicle, the bigger the battery. And the
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: more energy the battery has to stump up just to
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: move the fucking battery from A to B. So that's
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: kind of a problem, and you make the vehicle bigger
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: and bigger and bigger. And when you talk about something
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: like the Tesla Semi or these trucks that have been
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: converted in Melbourne and Sydney to run on electric with
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: the swappable batteries, it just makes to me less and
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: less sense. And it only makes sense in the context
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: of this sort of religious fervor that evs are being
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: embraced within, like the regulatory framework and all of that
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: kind of thing, because on fundamentals, they're just stupid.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I actually you can tell that Tesla is worried.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: No one's going to buy this one. It's disastrously late.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: But two, didn't Elon Muska like it was twenty nineteen.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't he produce more children than cyber truck during
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: that time much.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: But he promised it in two years. It took four years.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: He promised it to be forty grand at sixty yep,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: and he promised, and the sixty eight hundred k's of
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: range and it's got like five hundred.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: And the sixty grand one you won't be able to
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: buy till twenty twenty five if ever. Yeah, And then
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: to show you how I guess scared they are of this,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: they fired their PR team famously a long time ago,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: and people don't know that. In Australia they still have
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: a PR team, but they just name them something different,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: so that on the books that don't look like a
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: PR tell ye, yeah, something like that.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: So probably Pavlas coming pissed from his Christmas party and
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: he nearly had a bomb mid sentence going.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, that's staying in. I'll replay that in
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: isolated later on.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: That'll be the promo.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: What you just saw. What you just saw is also
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: his com face.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that's where.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: That's how you guys because you ended up working for John,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: isn't that.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: But yeah, So they famously fired their PR team and
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: in the States they haven't run a press fleet for
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I think for probably five or six years. If you
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: have a look now, every big name YouTuber has a
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: press car.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: They're doing ridiculous brownlee.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah carwow, shut the ship out of it? Did you
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: say that?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: So they all have and that to me tells me
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: they are very concerned because when modelesque Plaid came out,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: they basically just didn't give anyone anything and they all
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: had to rent cars from zero to get what they needed.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: So I think they are desperately worried about this. And
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: if you look at this further afield, we have the
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: announcement from Hertz and six to that they're binning Tesla's
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: because they're depreciation disaster appreciation disasters that the price is
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: fluctuating like a massive amount. Repairs are expensive, They're just
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: not a good idea. So I think the gloss is
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: really coming off Tesla at the moment, and further afield
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: to electric vehicles in spaces where they don't belong. So
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: entry level cheap electric cars kind of makes sense because
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: consumers can afford them, but expensive electric cars the sales
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: are declining, and in that pickup truck world they are
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: just so stupid because.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Like I said, Ford's got as many f one fifty
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Lightnings as you want to buy, pretty stretching over the horizon, right,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: And it's really interesting to me that these mainstream manufacturers
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: forward General motors, they're all sprinting away at a million
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: miles an hour at the moment from their earlier commitments
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: and the way they do business, they don't say no,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: we bone that. They go on, we're just delaying our
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: twelve billion dollar EV plan, and we're delaying it until
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: the heat death of the freakin universe. But no, we're
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: just delaying it. And the Volkswagen is doing a similar thing,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: right because after Diesel Gate, Volkswagen had to clean itself
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: up publicly on an image basis. And then so what
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: they did was they instituted this guy, Herbert Dis as
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: the CEO, and his mission was to talk up the clean, green,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: electrified Volkswagen of the future. And aren't we nice now?
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: We're no longer conspiratorial criminals aiming to poison humanity where
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: we're really nice dudes now. That'll be in the transcript.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Right and were actually a year are not far off?
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: And what started with a V I'm pretty sure. But anyway,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: the bottom line there is that the union's got a
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: couple of seats on the Volkswagen board and they started
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: to have a look at how many jobs were going
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: to be lost and they had basically a tantrum. And
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: the result of that is they boned mister Dis. And
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: he's okay because he landed on his wallet. They put
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: in a friend of the family from Porsche as the CEO,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: and his job is to keep saying yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: But they're walking back from Trinity and walking back from
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: the two billion dollar EV factory conversion in Wolfsburg, so
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: seemingly everyone's walking back from it. And Tesla's in this
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: position where it's making a high capital cost item with
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: relatively low margins and it's just had a major price company.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: He can't do that too much before you go out
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: the back door. With cars, you can't just twenty percent
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: off today, twenty percent off tomorrow. You can't have a
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: fire sale after that. That there's a limit to the
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: amount of discounting with cars. But also the nature of.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: The business pisses customers oft and customers were okay when
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: the resale value of EV's on the second hand market
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: was strong because there were long wait times. That's now gone.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I have for car sales alert for model threes and
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: model wise. Every day there's like an extra thirty or
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: forty listed and they going down. Old mate, that just
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: dropped me off here in the Uber Tesla Model three driver.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: He basically bought his at the peak his car lost
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: about eight thousand dollars over the time he owned it,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: and now is a second hand vehicle.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: It's tanked.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: So I think that the thing that Tesla doesn't understand,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: or is starting to realize very quickly, is that in
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: a race to the bottom of the Chinese the Chinese
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: will win.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: They've got under leavers, they can pull.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: On price, and they've already flogged the Europeans and the
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: US other US brands on the price walk, but China's
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: going to have them, So.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: He's going to have the mass market too. Right, Tesla
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: doesn't have a mass market car like the entry level.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Tesla is much something thousand dollars.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: An affluent person's car. You don't have to be super wealthy.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: But the other interesting thing that I saw in the
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: past couple of weeks was a story in Daily Mail
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: or one of those online newspapers. A woman journalist there
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: grabs a who's having a Corolla, like a twenty eleven
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Corolla as her day driver. Right, she drives to Melbourne
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: from Sydney regularly. She gets an Ionic five.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Right, this is the story I brought up the other day.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it costs like fifty percent more and takes fifty
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: percent longer yep to do that drive. So unless you
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: are embracing electrification as if it's a religion, that's intolerable.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: And some of the hoops she had to jump through
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: like she was on Vodaphone and that didn't have network
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: coverage at the charger she was at, so she had
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: to walk like four, She had to get a kid
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: in the car, She had to get a stranger to
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: plug the charger into the car while she was four
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: hundred meters away of McDonald's where they did have a hotspot.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: So she has to waive at this stranger the kids
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: and he has to plug the bloody the charger in
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: while she's got coverage like this is not robust infrastructure.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: No, Well, in Australia, it's proven to not be the case.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And we actually just did a drive with two seven
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: series because we did this a while ago in a
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Q five diesel and an EV six ye and the
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: drive ended up being slightly cheaper in the EV six
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: because one of the chargers a full seventy or seventy
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: old killer. What our charge was free. Had it have
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: not been free, would have been more expensive. And people
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: complained that the cars weren't the same. So we took
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: a seven forty, which is internal combustion turbo six, and
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: then we took the I seven drove them from Melbourne
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: to Sydney and we had the exact same experience where
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I'm going to ruin the story here because the video
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: is not live yet, but the petrol car was cheaper.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: And in addition to that, just before we got to Tarkata,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: which is a halfway point, almost ran out of charge,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: and then the Optus network failure happened and all the
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: EV chargers weren't working. And Tarkata this time a year
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: is wonderful. It's about forty eight thousand degrees and there's
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: shitloads of flies.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: For some bizarre reason.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: This was the only TV charger they didn't have on
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: the Optus network, so it actually worked. But had it
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: have not worked, the guy said I we should reroute,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: and I said I'm not going to reroute because if
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I was an average consumer here and my family was
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: in the car, I wouldn't have just assumed that this
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: would work because it's electricity and I can plug it
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: into a car. Electricity is not down. It's the phone network.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: But you need the phone network to activate the thing,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: and they've just actually announced the other day they're putting
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: tap and go terminals in. I'm like, all right, well,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: that still doesn't solve the problem. When you tap and
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: go it needs to authenticate, which it needs phone coverage.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have the same problem.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Might rock up to this charge. I think we really
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: realized when an absolute shit show that thing caused, like
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: absolutely people couldn't get ambulances and all sorts of stuff
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: like the fact that you're stranded.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: That was an unmitigated disaster. And the way that that lady,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: the CEO handled it was fucking comical as well. That
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: was the worst thing I've ever seen. But look, I
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: mean this all sounds very anti EV, but I've had
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: an EV now for four years and predominantly charged it
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: at home. Don't have an issue, but that's because my
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: second car and any work car I want to take
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: typically internal combustion. So on a public holiday or excuse me,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: there's another one public holidays, you.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Seem to lud proudly brought to you by the Car
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Expert Christmas party.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Poor John is just like I did this podcast. One
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: little shit bought his dog the other fucking Pavlay just
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: was on the verge of vomiting all over the desk.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: What have I signed up for?
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: No, it's okay, dude, I got some meth in the bank.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Everyone's happy.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I just think that I'm not ragging on
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: evs here. It's just Australia sucks. And I read somewhere
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: that they're about to put SLAS in so service level
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: agreements on public charging that is funded by taxpayers, and
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: it's about fucking time because the private companies are just
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: taking all your taxpayer dollars.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: On this issue of Australia's fucked. Okay, when I burned
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: all the bridges a few years ago now, but their
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: smoke was still in the air pretty thick around the world.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: I used to refer I started referring because every when
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: you do a show and it's just you, everything's got
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: to be a character, right, So I don't call the
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: joint Australia. I call it the Shitsville. Yes, And I
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: used to have people email me all the time and
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: comment like and hear.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Why you're just fuck were?
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: They mainly from queensa scam country between New Zealand and.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'll tell my mum to stop emailing's annoying.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Kind of like that. But now I call the giant shitsville.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Nobody arks up, Nobody says no, no, it's not fucked
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: because it.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Is, because it's true.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and look on a comparative level between us and
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: you know gars are at the moment, obviously Australia is
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: significantly better, but I mean still better than Yemen. Yeah,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: there are a lot of places that are significantly worse
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: off series as a country.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Ayria, Ethiopia is probably not great.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: We have become a shithole, yeah, we have, we have,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: and it is depressing.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I find like when you go overseas you sort of
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: have this realization where Australia is not that sort of
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: like check out what you can do in Australia. It's
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: very much what you can't do, or a country of
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: rules of what you can't do. And I sort of
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: look at that that that whole debarcle. My family is
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: all from Melbourne and during the way like the COVID
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: was treated down there with Dan, I couldn't believe it.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I wanted, wasn't it. I wanted to pack my ship
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and leave the country. And I'm like how is that
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: guy allowed? Like, how is this sort of stuff allowed?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: But I think on a world scale, it very much
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: is like we are lucky in a lot of ways,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: but we've got a lot of fucking rules we have.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: We have this pedestrian overpass in our suburb between two
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: retail precincts, and it was terrible because the it was
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: it was very narrow, and that meant that the traffic
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: going from the massage parlors on one side to the
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: massage parlors on the other side it was always a bottleneck, right,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: So they fixed it up and we've got a nice
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: wide new pedestrian overpass now over the railway line and
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: the and the main sort of street. So traffic between
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: massage parlor is very efficient.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, much less is now punctual to get a much
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: less time is wasted betwixt you know, venues.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: And I looked up today when I was you know,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: en route, so to speak, and there's this sign that
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: details what's prohibited on the freaking overpaths. One too many
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: prohibitions in most of that. But it's highly competitive. That's
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: the best part about competition. But it's just like fucking
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: seventeen things that aren't allowed on a pedestrian overpass, like
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: and they could have done better because there was no
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: AR fifteen symbol with a line through it. You know,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: there was no There was no crystal meth in a
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: syringe with a line. These were just things like no
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: riding a trailbike over the pedestrian.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: My local park has a sign no ship that says
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: and it's like a tiny park in the middle of
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: like sort of a town square, and it says it
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: literally has a no horses sign the every time, and
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: then there's like there's also like a like a marijuana
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: leaf symbol and then the no thing and pops is
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: all my kids always like pointing at the sign and going, dad,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: what does that mean? I'm like, trust me, by the
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: time you're old enough to understand, that'd be scrubbed off.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Horses love merrill.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Have you ever got hired with a horse? It's also
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the best the horse turns into a unicorn. That's how
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: that invented. I did want to talk about just real quick.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I did see one of your videos which was about
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: six dumping Tesla's. I know they've still kept the byds,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: but it's an interesting one. And again I know this
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: feels like a real big dump on Tesla, but it does.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: It does feel like an interesting one that the fact
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: that they've gone and kept one ev company and dumped
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: another one purely for what maintenance reasons or at.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: The end of the day, Rental kind of hurts did
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: this as well.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: It was even funnier when Hurtz did it because because
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: when Hertz announced this major acquisition in the United States
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: of Tesla's, it was like one hundred thousand Teslas and
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Tesla's share price topped one trillion US dollars. So Elon
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Musk's walking around with a big TP in his trousers
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: all day long. The CEO of Hurtz doubtless ditter, you know.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: So it's like very aroused at that time. A few
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: years later, right, the reality has bitten. Tesla's had the
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: big price cut, there's been major depreciation problem. And this
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: is this is bad for individual owners, but it's a
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: disaster for car rental companies because they own, they buy
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: the car, and then they get rid of it, and
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: the difference in those costs times the number of cars
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: is very significant on their bottom line. And the other
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: thing with rental cars is punters crash them all the time,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: and Tesla's are freaking expensive to repair, and both of
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: those things in concert it just ruined the deal for Hurtz.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: But they all got their stiffies out of it and
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: they got their big valuation and now it's just time
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: for reality. You've got to pay up right, And the
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: same thing happened as sixth and it's just not a
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: viable thing EVA is currently. You look at the lineup
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: in Australia, there's a couple of affordable ones, right, but
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: they're really just rich virtuous Twats, Toys, Present Company, etcetera.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, And I mean you just have a look
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: at the average Australian who is currently struggling to feed themselves,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: and you want to go tell them to go buy
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: seventy thousand dollars EV suv because you're doing the right thing.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Like no, I actually would like to just feed the
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: family first.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And he's just driving around the kids in the back hungry.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: But fuck them, I'm saving the world though, Dad can
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: have a snack. No, I'm too busy sorting out my
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: carbon footprint.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but net zero right, cars like Arsenal transportation cars,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: they call them quote unquote light vehicles, they're about ten
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: percent of our national emissions. And therefore, if we waved
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Harry Potter's frigging let's call it wand at the whole
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: problem and changed every car to a Tesla tomorrow, and
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: it's like Oprah, You've got a Tesla, and you've got
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: a Tesla. All right, everyone's got a Tesla. Emissions improved
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: by ten percent. But we're still the world's biggest exporter
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: of coal and the world's biggest exporter of liquefied natural gas.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: So that's not intensely hypocritical or anything, is it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: So if you wanted to divorce yourself from coal, you
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: could spend twenty grand and get a kick ass solar
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: array on the roof of your house and a decent battery,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: and it would be a big battery, would be twenty
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: killer what hours for home system? You look at that
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: ridiculous Kia EV nine that's just been launched. It's got
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: a one hundred kilo what our battery? And this is
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: a Kia for a hundred thirty thousand dollars air ffes.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: What do you think it looks? How did you how
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: did you hide Paul we just in.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: The video of it recently, I said the exact same thing.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I actually like the way it looks.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: I don't mind it visually.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, Seriously, it's the biggest hunk of shit.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Weighs two point six tons and it's five and a
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: half meters long.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have the range. It weighs an enormous amount.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: You're limited on towing capacity, You're limited on anything that
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: you want to do with it. You could buy a
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: top spec Carnival plus have an MX five or something
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: like two of them will I don't even know what
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: the numbers are.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: By a Diesel Carnival, you could put a kick as
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: solar array on the roof and a battery on your house,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: and you could live to all those Hireity of twenty
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: twenty four at the Marriott in a hot tub full
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: of cheerleaders.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hang on, I'm doing the masks on that account.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Six cheerleaders. Now. You said hot tub, right, okay, so
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: carry the too, carry the two Now where was that
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: such parlor? Again, that's not part of the I think
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: you're looking at a very specific customer with the with
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: the EV nine because, like all the things you just mentioned,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, like on all that, and you still want
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: to spend one hundred and thirty grand on an ugly
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: looking fucking beast. But Seria does look good.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: I'll say, how do you save the planet two point
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: six tons at a time? Like not possible? Right, What
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Australia needs is an EV with about one hundred and
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: sixty k's of range that costs about thirty grand. Maybe
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty would be enough if it was
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: real range, because that'd be a let's see, thirty to
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: forty kilo what our battery. It'd be fun.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I think it's coming small amount. It'll be a light calf, it'll.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Be Yeah, you can call it, call it the HITOI
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Ka doesn't need an EV nine, it needs a CHTOI yeah.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: We designed it in our studio in France.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I just look and for some people they'll want to
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: spend one hundred and twenty hundred and thirty because it's
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: the newest thing and it's it's great and all that
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: sort of stuff. I think if you're buying it for
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: that reason, you can go buy whatever you want. That
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: people buy half a million dollar Porsch that is less
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: practical than a thirty thousand dollars case around.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: None of these things have to be economically rational. There's
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: no case for economically economic rationalism of your house or
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: fashion items or any of that. Nobody ever says, oh,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: my rolls. You know you don't justify that.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just when you try and justify it with
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: this virtuous stuff that it really all just falls apart.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: So quickly.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: I had some guy tell me about oh, well, you know,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I pointed out these deficiencies, and one of these geniuses
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: in the comments says, well, you can't have You can't
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. And I
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: immediately went, well, where's your fucking omelet?
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I want to see this omelet?
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because you've got the extra cost, and you've got
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: the charging, like you have to do special ops planning
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: to charge on a long drive. That's not fun, and
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: you get yourself in situations where you're at a choke point.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: If the next charger doesn't work, you're screwed. That's not fun.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: It's okay if you're a motoring journalist and you just
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: make a call and go.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Bring the tow truck. Yeah, but if.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: You just done to one hundred and thirty grand on
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: your new EV and you're in that situation that's very stressful.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I was just going to ask you, then,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: what do you think is the future? Then? Do you
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: think just sort of looking at what Toyota is doing
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: by delaying EV's I mean, that's a massive company, one
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: of the world's biggest car makers. You would think they
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: would have some idea of what's going on?
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Do you reckon?
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: They've got the right idea about going hold on, We're
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: going to wait till battery tech improves. Is battery tech improving?
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I mean you look at Tesla's the forty three eighty
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: CEL that still hasn't really materialized or brought any advantages.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: But it's not really a tech change because there's still
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: a lithium based battery. Right. The tech doesn't change. There's
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: refinements of the tech, but there's no new battery tech.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: New battery tech is a little bit like Elon Musk's
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: based on Mars that he promised in ten years and
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: twenty eleven, still about ten years away. Full autonomy is
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: twelve to eighteen months away, right, Fusion powers five to
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: ten years away. It's been like that since last twelve
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: years old. Right, it's that kind of thing. So you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: lithium ion batteries were commercialized in the early nineties, so
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: we've had them for thirty years. The tech is mature,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: that doesn't have a tremendous amount of refinement left. And
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: the thing is, you know, one of the reasons why
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Porsche take hands burst into flames all the time comparatively,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: it's because they're tuned for performance. They're tuned for a
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: high discharge rate. So you're in this box. If you're
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: the designer of a battery to do a particular job,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: if you tweak it for discharge to make lots of
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: power quickly, you compromise other areas such as safety and reliability.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Right battery life, for example, if you tweak a battery
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: to accept a charge quickly, you compromise its life. All
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: engineering design is compromise based. You're in a box. You know,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: when you.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Think about it, they're trying to meet every brief They've
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: got eight hundred volt architecture. They want it to charge
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: super fast, they want it to accelerate super fast, they
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: want it to do everything, which a battery at the
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: moment isn't really designed don't.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: We all we want everything to do everything, and you can't.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: The only problem is you can't have everything where would
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: you put it? So, in answer to your question, what's
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: the future, the future is largely internal combustion based, but
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: there will be an incremental increase in the number of
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: evs subject to the world's resources and the capacity to
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: produce the batteries, et cetera. Hydrogen's got a long way
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: to go because of the infrastructure. The reason we're doing
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: evs is because we've got the infrastructure more or less,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: like we've got wires and we generate electricity. That's doable. Okay,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Hydrogen's got no infrastructure, so that's a much bigger challenge.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: You use petrol stations. Yeah, I was going to say
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: it's a sham, hasn't You could do anything.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: You could have a rays on the roofs of petrol
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: station with high pressure electrolyzers and you could manufacture it
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: on site from water. That's pretty easy to do. But
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: there's also the question of how green it actually is,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: and there's that There's that European physicist, a chick who's
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: really good on YouTube. I forget what her name is,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: but she's done a whole exhaustive thing, like she's she's
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: actually got real skin in the game of being a scientific,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: full on genius. And the reality is that blue hydrogen,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: green hydrogen, gray hydrogen. It's all pretty filthy, right. It's
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: just like when you drill down into batteries, they're pretty filthy.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: There's no exhaust emission in the city. And if you
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: never studied STEM, that's all great, zero emissions, but it's
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: really not like that. And the other problem is if
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: you want to make new vehicles and solve this problem
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: with new vehicles, you have to make the vehicles, so
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: you need the steel and the aluminium and the glass
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: and the plastics and the paint and all that stuff.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: And none of that's clean and free either.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Do you think It's almost like ev the pr of
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: ev worldwide got so excited too soon. It's almost like
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: we progressed on the evolution of this thing without really
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: taking our time, because there are a lot of faults,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: as we've talked about for the last half an hour
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: in this thing.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: If the problem is CO two, and it seems to me,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: like I'm not a climate scientist, but it seems to
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: me that the problem is CO two and therefore it
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: seems to me that one of the best things we
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: can do is be as efficient as possible with our
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: use of limited hydrocarbon resources that would reduce the amount
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: of CO two being liberated into the atmosphere. For disambiguation,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: hydrocarbons are coal, natural gas, and oil, not just the
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: fuel that you put into your car. It's when you
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: turn on the lights in Australia, it's all that coal
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: and burn and it's gas as well. And you need, like,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: you need all of this stuff for industry, and we
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: have to have an advanced civilization that's not optional. So
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: we need concrete, and we need ammonia, and we need steel,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: and all of these things are energy intensive mother lovers
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: to make. And I don't want to go back to
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: a world without steel or concrete because we're all going
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: to be sitting on the dirt floor.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing that kind of blows my mind
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: with all of this. People want this green, carbon zero world,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: but they are not willing to make any of the compromises.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Because if I said to you, okay, you really want
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: to be carbon friendly, ride a bus with fifty other people.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: So that is the best way to do it instead
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: of you driving in a single vehicle, whether it's get
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: on train.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: No one's willing to do that.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Don't buy a phone because it's full of ye they
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: need to make, but no one's willing to do that.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: So it's like this selective.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Live closer to work, that's right.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this selective thing where people want to everything.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: It's like that battery situation. They want everything but can't
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: get everything.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: I've had people say to me. I say this kind
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: of thing routinely on my channel, and people say, oh,
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: the problems just the world's overpopulated, And I'm going, so
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: you're volunteering to be part of the solution exactly, we
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: can organize it like to remove yourself from the pool.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Nobody wants to be part of the solution because the
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: solution is unpalatable. You buy a smaller car.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Nobody wants a smaller Heavens, everyone wants, you.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Know, if you can afford a Model S, you buy
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: a Model S or an EV nine or a cyber urinal.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: It literally it does look like a big, old pissed truck,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't It.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Was inspired by a railway urinal. I'm sure.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I look at the way they're doing this and they have,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: you're right with the influencers. It's an interesting tactic show
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: everyone the cyber truck with influencers because I think people
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: who already hate it have made up their mind. So
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: if you get a car journalist in there and going, well,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: fucking look at the gaps here, look at this, look
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: at this the video is I'm kicking it. Oh, mate
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: who hates it is sitting there going yeah, see, I
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: fucking told you so, blah blah blahlah blah. But if
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: you get people who are and let's be honest, like
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Matt Watson, for instance, from karwaw, he's actually pretty good.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: He's somewhat balanced, but he's even like jizzing on this thing, right,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: but it's content, right, it's kr waw. So he's not
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: doing it on his own thing. He's very much on
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: the influencer path of this, and so I think they're
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: kind of showing it off to people who already love it,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: like they're controlling the narrative.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: How long do you reckon it's going to be until
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: some influencer in Marraca gets one of his mates with
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: an aar and it all ends badly.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was thinking, because it was Tesla
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: that started marketing the fact that it's bulletproof, and you're
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: going to get some idiot who will go they said
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: it was, so sit inside it and someone will end
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: up getting hurt, because it's one of those claims that
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: even if it wasn't, don't tell people it's bulletproof because
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: they're stupid people out there. They say that armored cars
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: are bulletproof, but they only sell those to governments and
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: people that actually need a bulletproof.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Sitting in the test car and shootout exactly. Here's our
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: certification for this level of protection.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: So I don't think I wanted to touch it.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: And I know this whole episode sounds like hating on
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: EV's and I'm sorry if it.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Dies for disambiguation. I don't hate evs either, but I
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: freaking hate the way society is a lab for a
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: whole bunch of unproven things, Like there was a massive
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: truck fire in your about.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: EV fires, I'm curious about that. Yeah, so tell me
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: what you know about the truck fire for example.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Well, that truck was a truck owned by Sament Australia.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: It's a relatively modern but not new Kenworth and it's
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: been modified by a company at Centerlink by the cup
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: here to have six hundred killer what hours of swappable
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: batteries in it. There's three packs. Two of the packs
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: go in where the fuel tanks would conventionally be between
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: the front wheels and the drive wheels of the prime mover,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: and one battery pack goes under the hood so to speak. Right,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: So these batteries are they must be air cooled. I
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: don't see them being liquid cooled if they're swappable by forklift, right,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: and one of them obviously overheated. Okay. The most hilarious
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: thing about this is the retrofitting of the battery conversion
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: was funded by the taxpayer, so we all paid for that.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Lovely.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: That was a hugely entertaining spectacle on the Westgate Freeway,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: and the most likely explanation for that failure is that
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: the truck has got a full trailer of cement. It
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: climbs the Westgate Bridge and that requires a It's a
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: pretty high bridge, so it requires a pretty serious discharge
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: on the battery generates a lot of heat. A few
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: hundred meters later, near the Todd Road exit, it catches
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: fire because the battery is in catastrophic therm or runaway,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: and then the road is shut for like twelve hours.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: And it's just a hasmat hilarious experience that when these
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: things burn there are clouds of hydrofluoric acid, hydrochloric acid,
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: carbon monoxide, and cobalt compounds, none of which you want
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: to be near. It's all bad shit to breathe. The
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: cobalt is just bad to get on your skin. You
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: don't even have to breathe it. So I don't think
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: we should be using society as a laboratory and ambient
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: motorists and business owners as labrats. That sucks. That would
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: be like Boeing designing a new plane, building a prototype
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: and then booking paying passengers from Sydney to London. That's
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: unfreaking acceptable. So this is kind of where we're at.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: We don't have appropriate countermeasures for fires right of any
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: ev in parks and all of that stuff. And you know,
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: the religious ev evangelist types will say, oh, but EV's
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: don't catch fire nearly as often, and therefore that's okay.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: It's not really okay if it's a lower probability event
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: and you just happen to be in it with your
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: family and the basement of some car park and the
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: sprinkler systems not cutting it. That sucks.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering as well that I hear that used a
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: lot where they say that there's a per hundred thousand.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: There's less EV fires when you think about it, though
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: they're over the past five or ten years. There are
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: less old evs than there are less old cars. So
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I wonder if that number of cars that have caught
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: fire that are internal combustion are perhaps just old cars
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: that have caught fire, whereas we're getting less EV fires
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: because majority of them are new.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Your vehicles are more reliable. But this will do your
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: head into what's the number one cause of vehicle fires?
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Don't know?
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Awesome?
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Oh really, there you go.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: What's the number two cause? Ye crashes? Yeah, okay, that's
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: not really powertrain specific.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, stuff that happens.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's that, and then there's do you remember
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: there was a fire of a battery pack that had
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: been removed from an MG.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: The shadow of the car park. Yeah.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So this was a rental car holding yard and
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: for whatever reason, it's a couple of geniuses at the
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: rental car holding yard pulled a battery out of a
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: damaged battery out of an EVA and just sat it
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: on the ground for whatever length of time and it
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: got rained on and all those things. Just shouldn't do
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: it to a battery. There's and it took out five cars,
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: including the car that donated the battery, but four other
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: combustion cars are out. Is that a case of one
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: EV fire and four combustion fis? Come on?
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's all. Yeah, it's all very valid.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: And I saw your stuff with the the Reno in
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: the jeeps that had the exposed battery within the vehicle.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: That that blow my mind.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: It'd be the same as having a fuel tank with
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: a sort of lid that was screwed on under the seat,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: just leaking gases into the castle. When you lit up
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: a fag, the whole thing went up.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: This is what I mean about regulations and using society
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: as a lab You shouldn't do that. See, there are
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: building regulations about gas. If you've got gas in a building,
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: like methane, like natural gas, there are regulations about what
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: sort of pipes it has to be in and all
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: of that kind of stuff that's taken care of when
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: you look at a petrol station, there's all of these
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: regulations about how that place has got to be constructed
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: to minimize the risk, right, And petrol stations are pretty
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: safe places for this reason. It's fucking dangerous stuff, but
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: petrol station's pretty safe. What we're doing here is we're
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: implementing this technology and allowing manufacturers to write the standards
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: as they go. And therefore the Wrangler four ye doesn't
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: have a physical flaw. And the floor of the rear
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: seat is the top of the battery case, which freaking sucks, obviously.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: And in a combustion car, they've got this cute thing
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: called a firewall. It's called that for a reason. Right,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: the Wrangler doesn't have a firefloor. That's a design deficiency.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: You need a fire floor between you and the battery.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: You can watch this video and just seeing the roof
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: of this car just fly into the air as the
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: gases build up, it is.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Just it spends a lot of time airborne and it
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: comes down freakin' hard and heavy. The other thing is
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: there's a whole bunch of firefighters right there. They spent
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: two minutes irrigating aggressively. Inside. They had two lines running
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: inside the passenger compartment. This vehicle was parked, and the
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: battery still exploded in It was a deflagration, not a detonation,
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: but it was still explosive enough to propel the roof
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: off the vehicle and then down just a few meters away.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: And there was another one in Colorado where Arangler four
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: ye was inside a single car garage in a private
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: house and the firefighters just standing there. The captain of
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: the firefighters are standing there and the rest of them
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: are all around looking into the smoke alarm that they'd
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: been called to, and the garage door. You do it,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: frame by frame. The garage door just bulges out. I've
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: this and it flies at him and hits him on
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: the head. He's like five or ten meters away, and
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: he's luck. He's wearing his helmet because the helmet's got
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: a big gouge in it, and the helmet comes off
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: and he's okay.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: So it's crazy watching that door actually just explode off
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: the house because it looks like something supernatural.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: It looks like it looks like VFX in the movies.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's phenomenal, but that actually happens. Yeah, I
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: wonder where the technology is with with like these fire
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: departments being out of smother ev fires.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: You don't smother them, well, you can't smother them becaurse
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: when the battery overheats and the electrolyte inside the battery decomposes,
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: part of what it decomposes into is oxygen gas. So
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: most conventional firefighting, like if you've got an incinerator in
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: your backyard and you're burning paper or water or something
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: and it gets a little bit hot, you want to
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: put it out. You get the garden hose and it deprives.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: It sucks the water, sucks the heat out, and deprives
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: the burning material of access to atmospheric oxygen. You can't
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: do that with a battery because often you can't get
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: to the battery and even if you could, it's making
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: its own oxygen.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there would be obviously, I don't know, fire departments,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: fire regulators, all that sort of stuff working on this
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: sort of thing, you know what I mean.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: Internally you all have an intense discussions, but externally they're going, ah,
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: she's all good, dude, Yeah, it's a safe.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: But there's no answer. That's the problem.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: It's not as if they could change the regulations tomorrow.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: And it would fix everything because.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Here's a different kind of foam. Yeah, that's that's it.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: You're using the wrong one, you idiot.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Someone said to me, it's really simple. We'll just use
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: liquid nitrogen to put them out. Okay, I've got Oh yeah,
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: we'll just use liquid.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Because you ever.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: Played around with liquid?
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: That's it. Exactly where we're going to go.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: Liquid nitrogen rus that's right.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: One of those in Gaza.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Could freaking liquid nitrogen. You can't even store it in
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: a sealed containing You've got to leave. You've got to
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: they're called duas those containers. It has to keep evaporating
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: otherwise the container over pressurizes and explodes. And what are
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: you going to do? Run it hundreds of meters through
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: a building in a sprinkler system.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Luck with that the ev fires out, but the building
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: collapse just because of a giant explosion.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Because of a giant icicle.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Imagine that.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: It is genuinely thing. You can't just tomorrow do it.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Because people need to park their cars at home. You
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: can't just say, oh, you can't park in a garrete.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: I live in an apartment building. What do you want
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: me to Where else are you going to park out?
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: On the road or something. So there is no easy solution.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: I think that we're going to get to a tipping
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: point soon where someone needs to come up with something
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: or to say no, you can't do this or you
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: can do that. And this is an issue globally as well,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: so that's right.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I think we're going to start to see this crack
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: down a little bit though, because I mean even little
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: name things like electric e bikes and scooters. You saw
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: that that's the Uber drivers. Actually it was a three
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: was a sharehouse of three blokes and they are all
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Uber delivery guys. So they had their e bikes charging
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: and one of them's got serious burns. The other two escapes.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: But he's the problem with You've got to say to yourself,
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: we've had this technology for thirty years, right, lithium ion batteries,
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: so why hasn't why don't power tools explode all the time?
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: And the answer is because they don't have very much
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: energy and they don't discharge very fast, so they don't
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: get very hot. When you're talking about devices like bikes,
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: they're often made on the cheap in China. They're also
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: amenable too mechanical damage because they're push bikes and they
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: get ridden in the wet so they get wet internally.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: If they're not sealed, like if they're not IPX eight
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: rated or something IPX seven or whatever it is, then
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: that really is a problem. And it's a similar problem
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: for cars because you're talking earlier about cars getting older.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: One of the things about cars getting older is people
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: not off and they nudge something underneath, they go over
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: the median strip occasionally, or truck loses something and they
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: go over whatever the truck loses, and cars still going okay.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: They think it's okay, and then six hours later it's
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: parked in the garage and have a thermal runaway.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's what's probably going to propagate
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: all of this. It's the e bikes and all that stuff,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: because pauses that causes is I guess what I'm trying
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: to say is that's more an immediate threat because they're
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: manufactured to a lower standard than.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: An electric vehicle.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Typically some of them obviously have design floors, but for
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: the better part there's a lot of engineers that sit
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: there and go, Okay, how's this going to work?
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: Well, what battery management system in a n EE bike? Right,
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: what cooling system.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Like a BMS on a car is highly sophisticated. There'll
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: be a lot of circuit breakers, there'd be a lot
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: of mitigation points to stop something going wrong before it does.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: But on a knee bike.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: There's a freaking liquid cooling system that kicks in. Like
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: you're charging the car and all of a sudden you
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: hear a whirring sound. That's the cooling system. The battery's
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: just gone. I've reached the threshold.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Can we charging cables as well too? I remember when
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Trevor was coming in, he was telling us about, like
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of the forums on people who own certain evs,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, my cable's fucked. I can't afford you know,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Oh just get this one off eBay,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Like literally, what are you doing? Ali, don't do that?
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the manufacturer one that's four hundred bucks, Ali Barble
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: will send me, sell me one for twenty five ninety nine.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: It's the same as tires were two weeks later. What's
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: that smell? That's my memories burning up in flame. But
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: it's like tires, people skipping on tires.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Like this is the only shit that connects you to
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: the road and you want to go get a set
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: of chang Lings or something like that, because they're now.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: But if you can afford the cable, you don't want
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: to buy the cable.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: You can't can afford it.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: You just paid seventy grand for your EVO whatever.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, anyway, all right, enough shitting on EV's
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: for the moment. I want to just run through a
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: few of the questions that we got from last time
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: you were here, And I'll start off with this one
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: because it looks like it comes from a blog. He's
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: asked if you're married.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm on the record on my channels. I'm very
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: good at being married, actually having done it six times
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: five XY's one current wife. No plans to upgrade at
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: this point.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I've always thought of you as a bit like Elizabeth Taylor.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I'll give you just multiple partners.
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: Well, it's like this my other website, marriage Expert up.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: Who do you want to get relationship advice from someone
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: who's only been married once?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Like that?
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: What do they know?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Nothing? What a weird question there, just in the group.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: I'm glad we got the.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Anyway, Actually, just on that, I actually no kid.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: We started with the most important question how do you
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: know that's from a bloke. It could be from a chick.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: I looked at his profile picture, Trevor, I guarantee exactly.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Hey, it could be a reverse catfish where they're actually
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: like a supermodel or something.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Either. You should look into that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: know that's Trevor Long sitting in his fucking cool pra
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: going are you married.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: We had someone ask and I can't remember if we
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: went through this in the episode, they asked whether your
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: studio is real or a green screen? It's real?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: Background is It's just it's just like everyone else's garage.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: But it's a character, so I have to call it
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: the fat Cave. And it's only got one additional function
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: most people's garages have. I guess they've got three functions,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: which would be to store a car, to do a
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: bit of home maintenance, and other sort of workshop type stuff.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: And mine is also a gym, so there's those three.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: But it's a studio as well.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: So I always like, I always watch those videos and
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: I come out of it thinking, fuck, I wish I
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: had a neighbor like John. It'd be like this grumpy
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: prick that would come out of the garage door would
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: go up, and you'd just be like looking over my backyard, going,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: what are you fucking doing it like that? For your
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: little shit? You know't do it like that? And then
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: well you have a couple of beers and you give
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: me the right advice and everything's good.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be welding and cutting everything up, and because
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: I couldn't tolerate the way you were going to do it.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, you'd be doing it for me. I'd be going, hey,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: can you put this flat pack together like flap pack?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Someone else has asked how you make money and whether
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: it's just from YouTube.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know if that's what you want to
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: answer it.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: No, that's fine. YouTube is part of my income stream,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: but seeing new cars for people is a substantial part
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: of it. Nova at least thing is a substantial part
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: of it. Sponsored segments or a substantial part of it.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: I've got a gift for you guys too, speaking. Yeah,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: hang on, we'll do this. We'll do the rest of
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: these comments first, because this is gripping stuff.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: I need a new flashlight, so yes, I need.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: To given what enthusiastic I need one.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: For the front of the back.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Let me scroll through these you guys talk amongst.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Actually, do you know what you did let me down
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: in a recent video? I have to say, like, yeah,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: big time.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that happens a lot.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: No, but it wasn't a Snapchat video, don't worry it was.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: It was, but it was close. I saw like five minutes,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: what was you going to review the Manscape five point zero?
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: And I got fucking he's gone for five minutes, And
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: I thought, all right, I'll click on this. You're going
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: to have your old fellow like wristwatching over and you're
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: like really going to shave up your dick.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: No, it was the full you obviously didn't watch to
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: the end. No, because it was the full O H
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: and S tripping as a risk mitigation, sure, yeah, sure,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: over your deck or the cord. Yes, yes, all of
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: the above. Manscape is an extremely interesting concept to me
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: because when I think Manscape Ambassador, I get a picture
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: in my head. It ain't me.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: They tried to get Trevor Long on board with that,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: but it just kept getting caught in his nipple head.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: I just love the opportunity with Manscape to do the
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: play on.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Words thing, right, like ball deodorant, Like.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: These two products are essentially the Batman and Robin for
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: your dynamic duo.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, look, the rest of these I can't
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: find the other question. The rest of these were actually
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: just really quite positive comments.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: About a lot of We've got a lot of people
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: asking to come for you to come on regularly, actually
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: really yeah, and ditch Trevor, but people.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: With no life.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Actually this one is quite good.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: So hi Paul, mate, I don't know you from a bar.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: So I used to watch John Kodogan and think he
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: was a funny dude and hung on to every word
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: he said. It's going good so far, And I too
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: bracket like him.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: I own a m R. Triton close bracket.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: But mate, there's a butt here.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: But mate, I've come to a recent conclusion that he's
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: an absolute wanker. And yes, I've just ordered oh my god.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Oh this was on the back of the Amorrock thing.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: So the purpose of this message is not to mass
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: out your ego, but to confirm any thoughts you may
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: have had about this guy's status as an A grade dickhead.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: Well, I've always aspired to you know, here's the thing
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: that's good. He's the thing to people of this nature, right,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: because I'm all for that, that kind of comment, that's
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: that's great. And you know what I note about that,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: He's one of my most engaged viewers.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: And my enemy is not I'm not on a better
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: way to put this is, I'm not on a mad
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: quest to be liked. Come on, dude. My enemy is indifference.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: I hate the thought of somebody being indifferent. If you
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: get a reaction out of somebody, and in particular, if
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: somebody is offended or confronted by something, I say, then
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: that's good because in the olden days before we're all
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: total fucking sooks about being offended, when you were offended,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: it was an opportunity. It was like reality knocking on
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: the door and saying, hey, you might like to go
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: on a voyage of internal discovery about why you're offended, right,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: because either he's a dickhead who's wrong, or you're a
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: dickhead who's wrong, or you might just need to recalibrate
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: your perception of this or that and not just have
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: some emotional reaction to something because you don't like it,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: because the facts don't give a shit whether you like
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: them or not. As that with that, I kind of
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: dig that. I kind of like it when people go,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: are you fucking wrong? Mate? You know in it ain't
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: shit from claim about Like if somebody is saying that
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: to you, they're engaged, so most of the battle is won,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: and then it's just well, how do I It's like
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: on radio. I used to work on radio, and very
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: click quickly dawned on me that the callers, the purpose
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: of responding to a caller wasn't for the caller. It's
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: for everyone else.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's entertainment, right, yeah, it's how.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: Can I make this good in some way? Like I
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: remember in the middle of the night, we had some
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: woman who had a problem with a hot water right
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: in a unit, and I'm going I kill me now,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: I'm going, well, can't you just get down there's a
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: there's a stopcock on a hot water system and you
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: just get down you you know, you turn that off
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: and then you won't have water.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: She wanted you to come around to her house, so
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: can you just.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: Can you just see if there's some sort of tap
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: looking thing down there? And she said, I've got another problem.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: I go what she goes, I'm blind? I oh fuck man?
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: Agree difficulty nine point nine. So we went to a
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: break and I got the producer to call the Fieries
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: brilliant and they came over and fixed the problem, turned
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: the stopcock off and stopped the water. We called her
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: back and I felt really good after that. Hilarious, But
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: that's like, it's not always just about exploiting someone, It's
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: about how can you use this, how can it be
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: part of a narrative?
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: You know, It's interesting after nine merged with Fairfax, they
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: took over Macquarie, the shafted a lot of radio presenters
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: that had been there for quite a long time and
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: then installed nine cronies in there, and it's interesting to
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: see that revolving door at the moment. Basically, all these
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: people they put in, they Gordyill from the radio world.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: They realized that none of them really.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Worked because they were kind of okay on TV and
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: didn't really work out here. But it is interesting in
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: that radio world, they really don't want anyone that is
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: super polarizing. And then when they mergers and acquisitions happen
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: and you get managers coming, they just want to shake
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: something up to make it look like they're doing something,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you have these idiots
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: come on and host radio shows they know nothing about,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: and then you end up in the scenario now where
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: half of them are no longer doing the radio thing anymore.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: So when I worked at TUE, which is basically defunct now,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: at about this time, maybe three or four weeks earlier,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: there were all these people they'd have auditioned for the
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: summer slots and macause all the regular presenters will be
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: taking time off, and half of them were from TV
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: and they were all hopeless. Yeah, absolutely, they were all dead,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: said hopeless. And when you go to TV and you
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: see how that works, even if you're doing live TV,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: Like I remember once I was doing a live thing
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: on weekend Sunrise and it was just a news report
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: about a bad crash that had happened on a holiday weekend,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: and they wanted thirty seconds, and I said, well, I'll
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: just write a thirty second script and read it into
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: the prompter at the news desk. So I do that.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: They've got a driver for the prompter. Any muppet can
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: do that, Like it's thirty seconds, and I just read
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: it on the prompter and as I'm reading it, the
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: driver in the control room is just scrolling the prompter
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: for me. Right, and this is for thirty seconds. When
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: I do a segment, I read the prompter for fifteen minutes,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: and I've got to drive it, so I just pause
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: it when it needs to pause.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: I've got a little like a handheld.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: He's a whiless keyboard, you know. I just use the
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: space bar to start and stop.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: Actually, there's another question I just came up with. So
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: you're reading off for a prompter. Yeah, you come up
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: with all your witty stuff.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: When I'm at Darth Vader in the background over my shoulder,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: I'm reading that. I'm generally reading the prompter. And the
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: reason I do that is because, oh there's a couple
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: of reasons, like some of these convoluted jokes are hard
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: to remember, and they're really that they really require sequencing.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: And it's not like Eddieza does the same show for
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: six months. This is like different jokes about a different
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: thing every day. Right. So when I did that one
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: about Janus Electric because I called him j Anos j
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Anos and a comment I got back to me and said,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: I think the jay is silent. I thought, that's fucking hilarious.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: And one of the one of the ways you can
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: you can do humor is you can do yeah, And right,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: I thought, what about yeah? And I actually spoke to
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: the founder, right, Hugh, Hugh Janus, And so I did
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: this whole riff on Hugh Janus, and part of it
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: was part of it was Johnny Cash, boy named Sue,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: but it was boy named Hugh. He learned to fight,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: and his wits got hard, and his fist got hard,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: and his wits got keen, and he moved Rome from
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: town to town to hide his fucking shame and all
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: this stuff. Then I said, he became a baker, you
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: know down at when he's sexy Land at Morphet Vale
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: there in South Australia. People come from all over to
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: see bakery. Hugeanus has big buns twenty years in a row.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Now he's got the best chocolate log in all of more.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: So, if you've got to do that, yeah, it has
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: to be.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: It's going to be the promptery.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Is there anything that's.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: Too hot for YouTube that you've got to slap on
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: the wrist from YouTube for.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: I've had a.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: Few videos demonetized, but that's really.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Just okay, So it's Ai that's going.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just AI doing that. So I haven't had
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: a video demonetized for ages now, so I must be
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: well within the box there. I hardly ever criticize individuals
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: because that opens the door to defamation. But a car
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: company can't defame you, so you know, they can send
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: you one hundred transcripts, that's fine, But you can't defame
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: a carmaker. You can't defame a vehicle. There's an obscure
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: tort called injurious falsehood that they can threaten you with,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: but the standard of proof is very high, Like they've
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: got to prove that when you defame somebody, or when
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: somebody takes action against you for allegedly defaming them, and
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: you want to rely on truth is a defense, the
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: burden of proof is on you. You got to prove
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: that what you said was true. That was pivotal in
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: the Ben Robert Smith case. So the reverse is true
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: in injurious falsehood because the burden of proof is on them.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: They have to prove it's false, they have to prove
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: that you acted with malice, and they have to prove
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: that they suffer damages. So unless they can prove all
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: three of those things, it's not going to get up,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: you know. So it's usually just a threat. But carmakers
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: are just often hysterical tantrum mongers. They just don't like
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: being criticized. They get that. But you shouldn't shoot the
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: reporter if what you say is fucking stupid.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, man, if something's true and you're talking about
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: it better.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: Or even if it's just your opinion, because honest opinion
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: is a defense. And that's how restaurant critics get away
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: with it because was the food good, Well, that's fairly
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: subjective unless it kills one hundred people, then it's objectively
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: true that it's bad. But so it's kind of that.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: It's an interesting one to hear about car companies like
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: just being absolute fucking so thingy about opinions or even
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: content pieces like I guarantee you that clip that went
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: viral with the cyber truck beating the Porsche towing another
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Porsche that was a Karwow piece, and I guarantee you Now,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: there would be some pretty heavy letters from the people
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: at Porsche to KRWOW, But can I just say one thing.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: They would have ignored everything in like the last two
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: months of Karwaw just jizzing all over Porsche with like
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: the GT three rs and all that sort of stuff.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: I don't think they would actually care because if you
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: look at that, anyone that has half a brain looks
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: at that video and realizes it's a base Porsche or
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: a Carrera Tea or something, it's it's a real well drive. Yeah,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: nothing up against an all wheel drive flagship. It's like,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: all right, we'll go get a nine to eleven turbo
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: and then see if it does the same thing.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: It is such a.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: That's that's what irritated me with those videos, even the
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: sled pulling thing that they did. You're not proving anything here.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: What I need you to prove is how far it'll
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: tow and what it'll actually toe over a certain distance.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: Nobody in the real world gives a shit how quickly
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: it toes something four hundred meters.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: That's it, right, They've done.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: That shit about the bulletproofing ye aspect of.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's the problem they're going to have.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: The core thing with the rest of their performance cars
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: was yeah, fast in a straight line. It was kind
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: of acceptable that that's the thing. You're kind of ticking
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: the box on fast in a straight line for a
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: big uit is okay, that's half a box tick. But
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: the rest of it, it can't actually do. So that's
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: where you've got your bigger issue.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: But I think that's hard. That's the point I'm making.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: It's like they're putting out all these sparkly, little snackable
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: pieces because I don't think they're necessarily really trying to
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: impress the full on car guys. I think they're trying
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: to impress the kind of ignorant. You're repressing the guy
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: that ship looks cool. I've got the money for that,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: don't fucking buy that. Yeah, but they're repressing the guy
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: that wants to be seen in that. One of the.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: First owners was a co founder of Reddit, so he
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: was obviously hand picked, and his quote was words of
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: the effect of there's lots and lots of like so far,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to be the coolest dad dropping my
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: daughter at school and that's the main thing. And I've gone,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: you vacuous twap, you know, like, if that's the only
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: way you can be a cool dad, harder, if you
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: can only do it with a product.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Taking soccer once in a while, and unless.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: Some dad turns up drops kid off in a Blackhawk,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: we're still win.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: We're fuck you. Watch it'll be on right now, it'll
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, people just typical dad's trying to
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: make to each other. Well, I hope you all enjoyed that.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: It was a bit of a chat about nothing in particular,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: but yeah, that's kind yeah, becase whenever you try and
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: plan these things, it just ends up just being a
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: bit planned. Whereas we got over an hour worth of
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: good chat in there, so for free.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: You're not paying for these people to demand your money
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: back if you yes.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: But I would highly recommend going to John's YouTube channel
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: and just having look at some of those videos that
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: we spoke about. Not so for work, Some of those
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: are not safe for work. I do like the dustings
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: of bikini clad women in the videos.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: Like you got to express VPN and you've used this
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: like like stock footage of this chicken a bra with
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: some of the best hits I've ever seen, and I'm like,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: hang on, what am I buying here? Is this internet
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: protection of them? Whatever it is?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just demographic data. That's a decision based on
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: demographic data. My audience is ninety five percent male, ninety
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: five percent almost as old as me.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: But it is it is good. You just sometimes I
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: just want to commentate it because it's like, okay, we're
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: talking about express VPN. Here's a chick with a big rack.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: There's another one like drinking wine in her panties, and
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: it's all about like internet protection. I love it.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: Now I've got this present.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Here we go. I wonder if it vibrates.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: It's very difficult to find presents for dudes such as you, right,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: because you've already.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Got everything correct, like you want to get cyber trusting.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: No inflatable cyber truck. The thing is, it's really easy
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: to find presents for a winer. You just give them
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: a hundred bucks or a blanket they right. But for
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: guys like you've got everything now, this is obviously to share.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: I gotta put my glasses on, so just this is
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: I got to get it.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping this is a gun for next time Trev
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: comes in the studio.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: Well, it could be a gun of sorts, but I've
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: got oh, look at this. SAPI got some manscaped crop
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: reviv ball tona and some crop preserver ball the odorant.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not insinuating.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: And listen, you, being the Croatian that you are, you're
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: going to need the ball the odorant.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: But look, it's just like chicken soup and you've got
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: a cold, it can't hurt, right, that's right. Like nobody's
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: ever been criticized for too liberally applying the ball the.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: Owner I'll put it on now.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: Now this is this is to share obviously.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, you know.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: And I've got the you've got the scrotum shaving kit
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: This is actually called ball tona you pop down to
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: the institute.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: It's called crop revival or crop preserves.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: And the other one is this one.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: Jesus, I've got the little, I've got the well, it's Christmas,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: and I thought, who doesn't want a nice, a nice
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: smooth sack for Christmas? I've got the this. Have you
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: got a jugonomically designed scroton raiser with very little residual?
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: You're going to need.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: A smaller one for Paul's Yeah, that's yeah. What do
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: I do with that?
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: It?
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: No prompter? Now all right, this is what's hard as
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: a convoluted joke. I've got some extra raises to I
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: expect we'll all be having a shower after this as
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: we did last time, just to share. There's four different
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: raises there that should be this should be good for
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: at least a week. I've got crop exfoliator, so this
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: is a scrotal exfoliator. And this one is crop gel,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: which is a clear groin shaving gel.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: Unquote fantastic, And this is from our friends at Manscaped.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Look at that.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: That is sensational. I wonder if he's getting right in.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: That smells wonderful.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: That's wonderful. Smell my balls, Paul. Yeah, fresh right.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: If I just handed out a couple hundred buck notes,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: you guys would have just gone out. I'll throw that
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: the cash and never see it again.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: You know this is going to be my wife's, your
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: favorite food.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: Socks, socks and freaking undies. Like you know, this is
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: just socks and undies. One step.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: This is thank you, mate, genuinely appreciate already.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: If you don't already, man skirt like just you'll be
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: walking through the office and you'll have let's just say less.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Drage gliding balls.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you won't rustle anymore.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: Just make my workers falling to the floor, just fainting. Yeah,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: I think it is. I think this is the season.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: This is the time where I'm gonna shave the sideburns.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Off my dick.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good rocking that scrobble mohawk. That's still okay. But
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: the sideburns after go.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: I'll still leave the whispery mo. But whatever that is.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: Like horns on the hood are okay, gas hogs intwn.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: This is bloodyal this is that's for your nuts. It's
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: incredible for.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: The ergonomic design. Right. You don't want a long handle
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: on a razor.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: Nobody wants that, absolutely not.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: Just remember to share.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, bloody, I got it first week. You can
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: have a second. Yeah, you can have the joys of
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: picking the hair out. Yeah, mate, thank you very much.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: That's very kind. We'll have to bring a gift in
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: next time. I think last time.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: You gave me a gift. I've got that beautiful mug.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've I've been looking for that in the backdrop
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: of your videos. Mate. You need to throw it at someone.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the next comment of that pisses you off.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: Just fucking love it at them. Perfect.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: I'm disappointed that I didn't get a transcript.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: You'll probably arranged one after.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, I'll let you know in
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  Speaker 3: this one savaged anyone in particular.
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  Speaker 1: Enough, it was more later, Yes, if you do have
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  Speaker 1: any right questions. Have you ever seen that movie The
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  Speaker 1: hurt Locker? Yeah, yeah, so our lawyer right now is
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  Speaker 1: like Jeremy Renner. He's putting on like a big bomb
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  Speaker 1: disposal outfit on he's currently working.
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  Speaker 3: He's not like the first like the guy who Guy Richie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah right yeah. Now he's calmly walking to the that's right,
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  Speaker 1: there was two. He's calmly walking to the truth bombs
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  Speaker 1: that you've dropped this episode, so appreciate that, mate. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for coming in my pleasure.
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  Speaker 2: Contact at the Drivers Show dot com today you shoot
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  Speaker 2: us an email. We're going to have John on again
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  Speaker 2: at some point in the future when we can finally
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  Speaker 2: organize ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe when you sober up. That'd be nice.
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  Speaker 2: I do apologize for that, but I did wear the
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  Speaker 2: shirt yeah, I know, around in public. Yeah, to Christmas
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  Speaker 2: party too. That's a big f you to the Sydney office. Ye.
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  Speaker 2: Contact at the Drivershow dot com today, you let us
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  Speaker 2: Check out John's channel as well for all the great
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  Speaker 2: stuff that he does. And thank you mate for coming on.
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  Speaker 1: And for the presents. I mean, this is fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: My pleasure. Merry freaking Christmas,