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Chuck & Buck 12-19 Hour 4: MMQB with Mike Holmgren and Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 2: You got more notes than usual over there, Like that's
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Speaker 2: stacked there, Coach. That's just that's just topical notes to
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Speaker 2: discuss with you and Hugh here today.
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Speaker 3: You know what you're doing. That such a nice job
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Speaker 3: with that I have. I had one extra sheet on
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Speaker 3: one sheet.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I.
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Speaker 3: Kind of compartmentalized things and just I'm short short doing
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Speaker 3: that stuff.
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Speaker 4: But are you saying you're more efficient than I am?
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Speaker 3: No, I'm saying I'm probably less efficient. But I circle things,
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Speaker 3: you know, and said this is important.
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Speaker 4: You're more of a circler than a scribbler.
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Speaker 5: It is.
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Speaker 2: Chuck it back in the mornings, Coach, ober Now joins
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Speaker 2: the conversation here on a Monday morning Quarterback on a
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Speaker 2: Football Friday, as we recap last night's insane thirty eight
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Speaker 2: to thirty seven win over the Los Angeles Rams in overtime.
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Speaker 2: And there's still a lot of ground we haven't gotten
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Speaker 2: to with Hugh, So we'll cover some new ground with
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Speaker 2: both you and Hugh this hour, But also just want
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Speaker 2: to get your thoughts just off the top. Your down
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Speaker 2: sixteen midway through the fourth quarter against the team that
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Speaker 2: some people think is the best team in the National
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Speaker 2: Football League, and they certainly played that way for most
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Speaker 2: of the game. What do you attribute to being able
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Speaker 2: to come back in this contest? Because it's not like
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Speaker 2: the Rams gave it away. They didn't have any turnovers,
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Speaker 2: you know, they didn't just give it to the Seahawks.
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Speaker 3: They kind of.
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Speaker 4: Took it from them in the fourth quarter. So what
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Speaker 4: do you attribute to this comeback win?
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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, the game was out of sight.
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Speaker 3: It was one of the more remarkable games I've seen
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Speaker 3: in a long time. I never thought it'd be that
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Speaker 3: high scoring. I thought it'd be close, but so it was.
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Speaker 3: You know, kudos to both sides. Honestly, it was a great,
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Speaker 3: great football game. To your point, Chuck, I think when
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Speaker 3: they're down, you know, I thought, I sat there, I'm
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Speaker 3: watching the game. I said, okay, it's it's they're pretty
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Speaker 3: much toast, you know what I mean, And this is
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Speaker 3: the game's over, and it wasn't. And I think when
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Speaker 3: you're in that situation and the team reacts like the
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Speaker 3: Seahawks reacted, I think that says a lot. My own
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Speaker 3: feeling says a lot about the coach and how he
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Speaker 3: has taught and prepared the team and how they think
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Speaker 3: and how they games is like the score is, the
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Speaker 3: score is, we've seen it before. The score is kind
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Speaker 3: of there, and obviously you're playing to get more points
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Speaker 3: than the other team, but just how they stuck, how
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Speaker 3: they stick with it, how they keep playing, how the
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Speaker 3: belief system, and I credit I credit Mike the belief
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Speaker 3: system in what they're doing that they're going to make something.
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Speaker 3: We're going to make this work and at the end
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Speaker 3: we're going to have a good feeling because and then
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Speaker 3: there was no I didn't have that feeling, you know.
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Speaker 3: And I'm watching the game, and I think a lot
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Speaker 3: of fans there's some left thought some bood Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I said this is over. And Uh, that's a real
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Speaker 3: credit I think to Mike McDonald, how he and how
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Speaker 3: he has prepared his team and the philosophy they play with.
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Speaker 6: Mike, when you let's talk about Sam Darnold's role in that.
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Speaker 6: I assume when you go to overtime that you'd say,
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Speaker 6: if I hit you up before the game, you say, hey,
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Speaker 6: we're going to go into overtime, you know, what words
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Speaker 6: might you say to your quarterback? You might think, well,
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Speaker 6: hopefully we've been you know, having a real successful game
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Speaker 6: for a fourth quarter and for four quarters to say, hey,
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Speaker 6: just keep rip in their ass like you've been, you know,
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Speaker 6: go get them. But that's not what Mike McDonald might
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Speaker 6: have been able to say. He had the two uh interceptions,
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Speaker 6: and they're both pretty pretty grisly. I mean, those were
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Speaker 6: those are bad interceptions and and and yet he's gotta
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Speaker 6: you gotta somehow flush it and still be a playmaker.
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Speaker 5: What what what do you say to your quarterback in
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Speaker 5: that situation?
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Speaker 6: And then when you watch what Donald did, uh after
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Speaker 6: those two interceptions, you know, making the place to win
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Speaker 6: the football game, kind of what's what's your thoughts and
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Speaker 6: all of that as that unfolds.
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Speaker 3: Well as it unfolds. Excuse me, the uh I would say,
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Speaker 3: it's a new game, you know. I mean, you're you're
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Speaker 3: going into overtime or you're you're talking to your quarterback
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Speaker 3: and Hugh, you've you've probably been talked to this way
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Speaker 3: that what what has happened? What has happened prior? Okay,
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Speaker 3: it happened, but now, okay, this is a fresh start.
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Speaker 3: This is a new game. We got a chance to win.
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Speaker 3: This is what I'm gonna call. This is what I'm
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Speaker 3: gonna do. Make good decisions and just kind of.
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Speaker 5: That was every series for me, Mike, what you just
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Speaker 5: described that.
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Speaker 3: Every series.
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Speaker 4: Forget about that last pass here.
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Speaker 3: But you know, what's a game.
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Speaker 5: It's a new game.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you get that. That's that's what you That's what
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Speaker 3: I think what you have to impress upon the player.
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Speaker 3: You know that I'm not thinking there. I'm not going there,
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Speaker 3: and I don't want you going there. This is what
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Speaker 3: we're doing, and just spell it out for him. And
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Speaker 3: then you know, I wouldn't. I didn't use the letter
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Speaker 3: rip saying very much. But uh, they they knew and
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Speaker 3: that fresh start let's go you know.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, I mean he doesn't seem to get completely rattled.
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Speaker 7: Maybe he did it with when he throws his fourth
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Speaker 7: interception the first time that they met, but he seemed
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Speaker 7: to keep his composure enough and make some unbelievable throws
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Speaker 7: there down the stretch. That one quarter route you discussed
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Speaker 7: earlier to Cooper Cup was just an absolute dime over
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Speaker 7: the guy, but still in bounds.
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Speaker 3: When the momentum.
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Speaker 7: Starts to shift like that and you're coaching, right, I mean,
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Speaker 7: it's down sixteen with nine minutes, there's time, but you
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Speaker 7: know you kind of feel like you're gonna need something special,
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Speaker 7: like a punt return.
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Speaker 3: For a touchdown, something like that.
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Speaker 7: But once it starts to happen, is there anything in
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Speaker 7: particular that you did where let's go for the jug
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Speaker 7: that's hit him quick like they did with the second touchdown,
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Speaker 7: or or is there anything change in your mind as
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Speaker 7: a coach and a play caller because you feel that
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Speaker 7: momentum shift.
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Speaker 3: I don't think it changes too much in your play selection,
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Speaker 3: but there absolutely is a feeling on the sideline and
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Speaker 3: when the momentum changes like that and you're kind of
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Speaker 3: approaching a chance to win this thing when it didn't
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Speaker 3: look good, not only the players. I mean the coaches
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Speaker 3: feel it. And I used to walk the walk, and
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Speaker 3: kind of you see mcvh do it every once in
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Speaker 3: a while, and you don't see Mike do it too much.
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Speaker 3: But you turn around and you're talking to the players
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Speaker 3: and you're okay here, you know, you're kind of gain
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Speaker 3: you're you're you're feeling the momentum, and you want to
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Speaker 3: make sure the players do. But you don't have to
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Speaker 3: say too much if you've if you've prepared them and
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Speaker 3: taught them about those things. And I think he has
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Speaker 3: done that. That's probably why he doesn't have to do
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Speaker 3: too much. And that's why assistant coaches, you know, probably
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Speaker 3: do it for him. And now you have twenty six
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Speaker 3: assistant coaches in the seat of ten. So you got
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Speaker 3: a lot of guys cheerleading on the sideline, you know.
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Speaker 2: Mike Holmgre and Hume Millen with us Monday morning quarterback
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Speaker 2: here all in Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ
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Speaker 2: R F M. Well, let's let's have this, Maybe put
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Speaker 2: this conversation to bed, or at least advance it. Two
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Speaker 2: more interceptions from Sam and yet he does overcome it
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Speaker 2: and makes all the throws down the stretch to somehow
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Speaker 2: win that game. So I would just ask you, and
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Speaker 2: you would as well. Does Sam Darnold abn in issue?
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Speaker 2: And if so, what did last night's come back do
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Speaker 2: for him to maybe fix that problem?
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Speaker 3: You know what's he's in his own mind and then
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Speaker 3: everyone's mind. He's throwing too many interceptions. I get that,
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Speaker 3: you know, but they're winning. Look at their record, and
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Speaker 3: he's the quarterback and he's doing it. He is doing
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Speaker 3: it for them. It might might everyone wants every once
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Speaker 3: in a while it looks a little why do he
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Speaker 3: do that? You know? But I've lived through that, you know,
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Speaker 3: I've been there, and so you just keep going, You
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Speaker 3: keep going. He is the reason that their record is
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Speaker 3: the record they have. And they have a great defense,
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Speaker 3: they have good talent on offense, but that quarterback has
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Speaker 3: gotten him this far. And so you know, quarterback, you
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Speaker 3: play the position, you're going to throw an interception now
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Speaker 3: and then. But look at I think everyone has to
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Speaker 3: kind of stick with him and stand behind him, and
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Speaker 3: he's going to be the guy and his teammates know that.
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Speaker 3: His teammates know that. And as a coach trying to
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Speaker 3: fix something, I think you don't overthink it. You know,
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Speaker 3: just now, let's look at why it happened. You talk
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Speaker 3: about it, certainly, but I'm looking I've been in his
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Speaker 3: corner since the beginning, and I'm going to stick there, Hugh.
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Speaker 5: I firmly agree with every word Mike just said.
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Speaker 6: There. You know, I think that that if if I imagine,
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Speaker 6: if I was, you know, backup and Mike was the coach,
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Speaker 6: or I was in that meeting room, it's not that
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Speaker 6: they we wouldn't be trying to, you know, remedy and
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Speaker 6: avoid interceptions. You know, earlier in the year.
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Speaker 5: It was probably a little easier.
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Speaker 6: To to reconcile because you know, he was producing big
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Speaker 6: plays at such a huge rate.
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Speaker 5: That slit a little bit in these past few weeks.
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Speaker 6: But you know, he made the plays last night when
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Speaker 6: they needed to be made, and I think that that,
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Speaker 6: in many people's judgment, that's the real mark of a quarterback.
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Speaker 6: But Mike, just those two interceptions, you know, the first one,
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Speaker 6: you know, it's just it was a disguised two deep
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Speaker 6: five under Uh, they're getting what you would call lion
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Speaker 6: double slant to the left, you know, with a zone.
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Speaker 6: Now there happened to have been a tight end on
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Speaker 6: that side.
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Speaker 5: So it was a trips he was doing to sit
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Speaker 5: over the ball.
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Speaker 6: But uh, you gotta you gotta read that number two defender,
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Speaker 6: the guy over the overhang defender. If he doesn't, if
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Speaker 6: he doesn't reduce inside with that inside slant, you can't
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Speaker 6: throw the outside slant, right. And I mean just kind
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Speaker 6: of talk about that one, because that that stuff that
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Speaker 6: I've taught at high school, that the concept that you've
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Speaker 6: got to know the inside defender if you're gonna throw
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Speaker 6: the outside slant on double slant.
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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I think if if he recognizes that,
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Speaker 3: if that's the defense he sees five under, that's not
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Speaker 3: the greatest play to have against that because you have
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Speaker 3: underneath coverage. There are the holes get squeezed down with
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Speaker 3: five under on to double slants. Now to your point here,
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Speaker 3: if he stays with it, he's got to be aware
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Speaker 3: of that. Absolutely, I would tell him, I would say,
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Speaker 3: get out of that play. Call something we done. Not
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Speaker 3: to be complicated with something that's a two deep five
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Speaker 3: hunderd beater or a better play versus that defense.
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Speaker 6: But it started, Mike, It started as a single high
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Speaker 6: and at the snap that rotated, you know, it looked
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Speaker 6: like it could be number one cover one press, so
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Speaker 6: I don't think he had a great read on it.
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Speaker 6: And it became it looked like cover one press and
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Speaker 6: became two D five hunder zone right. And as I said,
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Speaker 6: I want to make the point, it wasn't a two
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Speaker 6: by formation. It was a three by to that side,
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Speaker 6: and the tight end, who was an inline position barner,
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Speaker 6: he kind of sat over the ball.
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Speaker 5: The other one the interception.
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Speaker 6: Down by the goal line. Mike, my notes, you know
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Speaker 6: my terminology is cover zero double rat. It was it
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Speaker 6: was man to man, no safety, and then you had
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Speaker 6: two line who started to rush, but then they pulled
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Speaker 6: out into the hook zones. And it's the exact same
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Speaker 6: notes that I had on Leonard Williams ninety two yard
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Speaker 6: interception return against Aaron Rodgers last year. Cover zero double
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Speaker 6: rat And so you know it can get quarterbacks if
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Speaker 6: you don't see that guy, you know, you think you
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Speaker 6: think it's cover zero, you think it's man and man. Oh,
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Speaker 6: there's there's no problems to throw that insight slanding by
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Speaker 6: the way, it was dragging to the left, Mike, which
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Speaker 6: Chuck and Buck is is slanted by the outside guy
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Speaker 6: and a quick flat by the slot receiver.
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Speaker 5: Cup just talk about how you would analyze and you
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Speaker 5: would coach Darnold after he made that mistake.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, that's a tough one because if if
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Speaker 3: you know Aaron Rodgers did it, he's played a little bit.
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Speaker 3: He made the same and that's if you have defensive
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Speaker 3: linemen that can do that. Okay, Obviously you had to
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Speaker 3: be talked about it going into the game. From that situation,
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Speaker 3: you just have to be careful. You got to be
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Speaker 3: careful in certain situations, and that's one of them. You know,
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Speaker 3: if you don't see it, if you see the opening,
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Speaker 3: throw it. If you can't see the opening, but you
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Speaker 3: know you think it's there because of the coverage you had. No, No,
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Speaker 3: you got to be careful about that one. That would
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Speaker 3: be the coaching coaching I would do on that play.
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Speaker 6: So and sorry, check the book. Just one more thought
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Speaker 6: because I think this is an important point, Mike. When
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Speaker 6: Darnold threw that interception, this is the one down by
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Speaker 6: the goal we're just talking about with the defensive lineman
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Speaker 6: popping out and getting it. They chose to have the
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Speaker 6: sen There was three to the left and three to
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Speaker 6: the right out of an empty formation. The tight end
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Speaker 6: was to the right, So there's three guys to the right,
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Speaker 6: two receivers to the left. They chose to have the
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Speaker 6: center go to the right towards the tight end, which
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Speaker 6: meant that the end on the left was on the
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Speaker 6: on the open side with the tackle, there's no tight
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Speaker 6: end and outside he has a shorter edge. Had they
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Speaker 6: had they directed the center to go to the left,
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Speaker 6: because and there's an open edge to the left. Now
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Speaker 6: the unblocked guy would have been way outside the tight.
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Speaker 5: End to the right.
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Speaker 6: He has a lot longer path to get to the quarterback.
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Speaker 6: What do you think about the idea of of of
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Speaker 6: the center and now he wanted to throw the dragon
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Speaker 6: into the into the pressure, but but that's certainly a
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Speaker 6: part of avoiding this situation is choosing the short edge
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Speaker 6: versus the long edge on the unblocked rusher.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it. Either way, he's going to have
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Speaker 3: to get the ball out of his hand quickly because
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Speaker 3: even though he's one more man removed. Uh, he's going
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Speaker 3: to get there and get hit if you hold on
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Speaker 3: the ball too long because they don't have enough blockers.
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Speaker 3: But so he has got to deliver the They have
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Speaker 3: enough blockers, but not the way the defensive guys popped out.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, it makes some sense to do that,
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Speaker 3: send the center away and give the guy have a
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Speaker 3: little more time to throw it. But then sometimes you
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Speaker 3: just have to say, okay, they got me here, Okay,
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Speaker 3: they got me here, and tuck the ball and run
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Speaker 3: or get down or do something, but don't throw the interception.
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Speaker 7: Well, ultimately, I mean I would imagine that's Shula, right,
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Speaker 7: Chris Shula is the defensive coordinator for the Rams. Yes,
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Speaker 7: he probably learned that. Yeah, it's not Don Shula.
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Speaker 3: I know that.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, they probably learned that from watching a Hermerson High
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Speaker 7: School Bulldogs game. Coach. I would imagine because we had
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Speaker 7: one of those. It was called Bonzie. It was Bucky
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Speaker 7: on the zone as a defensive end. I would drop
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Speaker 7: into coverage. Yeah, picked off Tony Hill. He was the
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Speaker 7: best quarterback in our state.
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Speaker 4: And everybody runs the Bonzie play.
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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, they learned it from us, And you got
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Speaker 3: the interception.
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Speaker 7: I did, wow, And then I almost fumbled while I
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Speaker 7: was getting tackled, but I didn't.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's the danger of Bonzie. Yeah, everybody knows it.
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Speaker 3: Not much of a ball handling. Yeah, yeah, exactly I
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Speaker 3: dropped back. They tried hitting the tight end like a
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Speaker 3: hot route of some sort. Uh, you were probably no
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Speaker 3: after the interception, you're probably running down with the ball
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Speaker 3: in your hands.
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Speaker 7: No better than that, No, no, no, No premature celebration
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Speaker 7: out of this guy coach than laps.
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Speaker 6: I think I have new terminology that takes less time
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Speaker 6: to write, Bonzi than cover zero double rat.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I don't want to be called a rat. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that will always be Bonzie. It will always be BONDI
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Speaker 3: from this time. Well, it wasn't very bright. I think
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Speaker 3: it was. Ray Brown was our coach.
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Speaker 7: He had to make it simple enough to where I
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Speaker 7: knew it right, like it was specific for me dropping back.
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Speaker 3: We didn't run it very often, but lucky on zone.
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Speaker 2: Well, Sam Darnold needs to be careful of that play.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta be careful with those three hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifteen pound defensive tackles standing between you and JSN.
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Speaker 2: All right, it is Monday morning. A lot more to
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Speaker 2: No, no, benmen, we got so much more to discuss.
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Speaker 3: This game was just loaded with.
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Speaker 2: Topics, and so we'll do our best. We'll try to
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Speaker 2: get it all in here. We've got you Millanire, We've
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Speaker 2: got Mike Holmgren here, Ashley Bucky, myself, Chuck thirty eight
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Speaker 2: thirty seven Seahawks went over the Los Angeles Rams and
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Speaker 2: beautiful come from behind fashion last night, send it into
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Speaker 2: overtime and one on a two point conversion. And I
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Speaker 2: was thinking of you, coach when they lined up for
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Speaker 2: that two point conversion, because I'm like, this had to
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Speaker 2: have been what coach Homegren lived for. Yeah, you won
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Speaker 2: your Super Bowl. You know you liked Super Bowls, no
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Speaker 2: doubt about that. You want a few of those as
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Speaker 2: an assistant ad as a head coach. But I was
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Speaker 2: thinking of you, like, here it is, I got to
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Speaker 2: come up with the greatest two point conversion play that
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Speaker 2: I have, And I pictured you.
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Speaker 4: On the frozen tundra sideline in.
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Speaker 2: Green Bay going Denmar go run into my office, there's
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Speaker 2: the Wind, the wall will spin around and inside there
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Speaker 2: there'll be a play in a golden box.
18:28
Speaker 4: Run it to me.
18:29
Speaker 3: We're gonna run it right now.
18:30
Speaker 2: I've been waiting this my entire career. So what did
18:34
Speaker 2: you think in that moment? Did you live for that moment?
18:36
Speaker 2: And what did you think of what Clint Kubiak came
18:39
Speaker 2: up with?
18:39
Speaker 3: Well, I first of all, tell Denmer, you gotta hurry
18:43
Speaker 3: get in there fast, because we got to run a play.
18:45
Speaker 4: No in forty seconds.
18:47
Speaker 3: I honestly had on my sheet that play.
18:52
Speaker 2: A play okay, every game, every game, the same play
18:56
Speaker 2: or a different play every game based on who we're playing,
19:01
Speaker 2: and I label it to win the game. And that
19:04
Speaker 2: was the play and it was down there there in
19:06
Speaker 2: the red zone.
19:07
Speaker 3: It was that play. And he you know that if
19:12
Speaker 3: you look at that play, it was. We had similar
19:16
Speaker 3: plays like that. You know, if you if you're moving
19:18
Speaker 3: out and you're you're you're getting receivers that you know
19:22
Speaker 3: they're going to cover and double and all that kind
19:24
Speaker 3: of stuff, and you can sneak somebody through there. You
19:26
Speaker 3: can kind of sneak from somebody through there. I remember
19:29
Speaker 3: a game that a similar thing. I said, this is
19:32
Speaker 3: going to work against the Vikings. This is going to work.
19:36
Speaker 3: I know it's going to work. And it would have worked.
19:39
Speaker 3: It would have worked because they we snuck a guy out.
19:42
Speaker 3: He was wide open the end zone and the defensive
19:44
Speaker 3: end blocked the ball, which could have happened. Last It
19:47
Speaker 3: could have happened. He could have happened. But the fact is,
19:50
Speaker 3: you can get a guy open. You can get a
19:52
Speaker 3: guy open. Now the other things have to fall into place.
19:55
Speaker 3: But uh, you know he had the right play. It
19:58
Speaker 3: was perfect.
20:00
Speaker 6: Well, there's three two point plays on that. I think
20:03
Speaker 6: that might be the first time in history, uh for
20:07
Speaker 6: the Sea Ox check me on that. But uh, there's
20:10
Speaker 6: something historic in that regard. But but what if you
20:14
Speaker 6: use your win the game in regulation and it only
20:18
Speaker 6: gets you at overtime and then your true win the game,
20:21
Speaker 6: you know, is isn't.
20:26
Speaker 3: Right?
20:27
Speaker 6: What do you do then, Mike?
20:29
Speaker 3: You know, I forgot to mention this, I really did.
20:31
Speaker 3: I had to win the game, Okay, So then I
20:34
Speaker 3: had a decision to make Okay, no, you know you
20:37
Speaker 3: that's a very good point. Then I then I'd have
20:39
Speaker 3: to go into my Yeah, demma hurry, hurry.
20:45
Speaker 4: Hurry, Denmer a half yard push.
20:49
Speaker 7: Had you seen anything like this? That second two point conversion?
20:53
Speaker 7: The uh yeah, backwards pass that then they pick up.
20:57
Speaker 3: Oh that one? Yeah, no, no, that was.
21:01
Speaker 5: Did you know?
21:02
Speaker 3: It was such a great It was such a great
21:04
Speaker 3: football game. I don't think we even want to talk
21:06
Speaker 3: about officials, do we.
21:09
Speaker 4: Well they got it right, though, Yeah.
21:12
Speaker 3: I guess they got it right. I mean they I debated,
21:16
Speaker 3: is that the one where they threw it? And they
21:18
Speaker 3: said no, it was a lateral that the one? Yeah,
21:21
Speaker 3: come on, you know, yeah, no, I'd never seen anything
21:28
Speaker 3: quite like that. Buck. To answer your question, it was interesting.
21:30
Speaker 6: You do not think it was a you sound exasperated,
21:33
Speaker 6: Sorry your buck.
21:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't think it was. I thought it was
21:37
Speaker 3: a straight line pass that was incomplete.
21:40
Speaker 6: You know, but if you look at the intended receiver
21:44
Speaker 6: was just going to be one of those little smoke
21:46
Speaker 6: screens from movement. Right with Charbonney coming in, he was
21:51
Speaker 6: clearly behind Donald. So if Donald threw a was throwing
21:56
Speaker 6: an accurate pass, you know, if you draw the line,
22:01
Speaker 6: I I Mike, I thought that the overhead kind of
22:04
Speaker 6: clearly showed as the ball was going slow motion, it
22:06
Speaker 6: was moving closer and closer to that line, which would
22:10
Speaker 6: be an indicator that it was losing ground. I don't
22:13
Speaker 6: know from what we had to uh interpret the prey play.
22:17
Speaker 6: I thought it was elateral. But but did we all
22:20
Speaker 6: miss something that you saw?
22:22
Speaker 3: No? No, I think you guys are probably right. I
22:24
Speaker 3: at that point I was, I was kind of probably
22:27
Speaker 3: had a bad angle on my TV.
22:29
Speaker 5: You know.
22:30
Speaker 3: I didn't come over and just my TV yelled at,
22:33
Speaker 3: come here, I need your help. I got this one wrong. No,
22:37
Speaker 3: the UH costco today. But there are certain things. There
22:40
Speaker 3: are certain things. Certain things are happening in games, not
22:44
Speaker 3: just last night, but in games where I just go, gee, whiz,
22:48
Speaker 3: you know what, what have we come to here? And
22:51
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, Charmon ain't picked up the ball,
22:54
Speaker 3: but he didn't. It wasn't he was kind of.
22:57
Speaker 4: If he knew the rule, he would have dove on. Yeah,
23:00
Speaker 4: he was just nobody knew the role.
23:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so then you have then you have to
23:03
Speaker 3: go New York, the room with all the all the
23:07
Speaker 3: guys in there. Hey, we better tell him, you know,
23:11
Speaker 3: or do we tell him? Yeah, that's yeah, we'll take it.
23:14
Speaker 3: We will take it.
23:15
Speaker 2: It's a Monday morning quarterback. We have not discussed the
23:19
Speaker 2: Running Game at all today, and I'll ask both of
23:24
Speaker 2: you because we haven't asked Hugh about it either. I
23:27
Speaker 2: thought it was the best ken Walker's looked all season long.
23:29
Speaker 2: And I'm not just saying that because he had the.
23:31
Speaker 4: Two long runs.
23:33
Speaker 2: I thought it was great that they got him out
23:35
Speaker 2: in space because we've been asking for that all season long.
23:39
Speaker 2: And then I thought he just looked electrifying, and yet
23:41
Speaker 2: he still ended up with just eleven touches, eleven carries
23:45
Speaker 2: in the game, fourteen touches in the game. And you also,
23:49
Speaker 2: I mean, some of those boos weren't just for Sam
23:51
Speaker 2: Donald last night. Some of them were for Koobi Act
23:54
Speaker 2: because the Sea Oork fans did not like the play
23:57
Speaker 2: calling in the first half. Sam Donald only had six
24:00
Speaker 2: passes total in the entire first half. And I wrote
24:03
Speaker 2: down a couple of times I like going with a
24:05
Speaker 2: run there? But where is Walker? So what did you think?
24:08
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a lot, that's a loaded question. But
24:10
Speaker 2: what did you think of the approach with the Running
24:12
Speaker 2: Game and ken Walker's performance last night?
24:14
Speaker 3: Well, the approach early I would agree with you. When
24:18
Speaker 3: I heard they reference the crowd. You could hear it
24:21
Speaker 3: on the television zone. If you were there, you really
24:24
Speaker 3: heard it. But I thought it was because of the
24:27
Speaker 3: play selection more than anything else. That you know, if
24:31
Speaker 3: you're sitting in the stands and you're a football fan,
24:35
Speaker 3: you go, this is the perfect time to throw a ball,
24:37
Speaker 3: or let's play whatever. And then they hand the ball
24:40
Speaker 3: off and they get a yard or something. Then near
24:43
Speaker 3: your reaction goes way, gee whiz, come on, let's get it.
24:46
Speaker 3: Let's get it going a little bit. But then what
24:49
Speaker 3: I thought Walker did last night just in a really
24:54
Speaker 3: good way he is known for and sometimes it works,
24:59
Speaker 3: but a lot of times, you know, he instead of
25:02
Speaker 3: just hitting the hole. He likes that hole better than
25:04
Speaker 3: the block hole. Last night, particularly in the second you
25:09
Speaker 3: know he'd hit it. And once he gets past the
25:12
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage into space, he's very hard to tackle,
25:17
Speaker 3: very hard to tackle. And that's what happened last night.
25:19
Speaker 3: And I think he stayed to me, he stayed with
25:24
Speaker 3: the play and the blocking scheme better last night. And
25:28
Speaker 3: but Chuck to your point, eleven touches, eleven carries. That's
25:33
Speaker 3: not a big night for.
25:35
Speaker 4: A guy that looks hot. He looked like he was
25:37
Speaker 4: the hot.
25:37
Speaker 3: And he had one hundred yards rushing.
25:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, so here what you think?
25:42
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I feel like I've always felt. I think
25:45
Speaker 6: that you just keep giving this guy his touches and
25:50
Speaker 6: that speed the ability to finish that play fifty five
25:54
Speaker 6: yard touchdown to put you inexplicably up fourteen to thirteen
25:58
Speaker 6: early in the third quarter. That play was duo left
26:03
Speaker 6: going over left guard. Mike, it's like you know it
26:08
Speaker 6: as you know. It's like it's like gap scheme without
26:10
Speaker 6: the puller, and the whole scheme is designed to go
26:13
Speaker 6: to the tight end on the left. He saw it
26:16
Speaker 6: bounce back to the b gap on the right between
26:19
Speaker 6: the guard and the tackle. Had Cooper cupp Is the
26:22
Speaker 6: split in he was coming down from a reduced split
26:25
Speaker 6: to dig out the safety and fourteen Kobe Durant took
26:29
Speaker 6: a bad angle because he had to replace the safety's responsibility.
26:35
Speaker 6: He got sucked in too far inside. But it was
26:40
Speaker 6: that speed by Walker to be able to turn that
26:43
Speaker 6: into a fifty five yard touchdown. Of course, he had
26:44
Speaker 6: the screen pass extremely well designed boot throwback screen. In
26:49
Speaker 6: the first series, Mike calls the play texas a little
26:54
Speaker 6: angle route. They threw to him for a nice completion
26:58
Speaker 6: for about fifteen yards. It might have been a third
27:00
Speaker 6: down conversion. So they were that they had a plan
27:04
Speaker 6: in the running game. They certainly didn't have a plan
27:06
Speaker 6: when they ran Iso left that they were going to
27:08
Speaker 6: get a fifty five yard touchdown out of the B gap.
27:10
Speaker 6: But that's what he gives you. And that's why, in
27:12
Speaker 6: my opinion, he's got to get the ball, Mike, because
27:15
Speaker 6: at any time, a little mistake by a defender and
27:18
Speaker 6: he and their next play is a pat No.
27:22
Speaker 3: I mean he is. He has that type of ability,
27:26
Speaker 3: and I think if you have the two backs and
27:28
Speaker 3: I kind of get it because most teams are doing it.
27:30
Speaker 3: The Rams are doing it, other teams are doing it,
27:33
Speaker 3: balancing that and giving the guy's blows more than we
27:36
Speaker 3: used to in the old days. But uh, Charbonna is
27:40
Speaker 3: still he's still a valuable, valuable change of pace for
27:45
Speaker 3: the team. It's just how how are you going to
27:48
Speaker 3: juggle that? And from someone who likes to throw the ball,
27:51
Speaker 3: how are you going to juggle that and get him
27:53
Speaker 3: enough touches?
27:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an asset, I mean, but with two seven left,
27:57
Speaker 2: you've got the two men of warnings going to stop
27:59
Speaker 2: the clock for you. It's first down games on the line.
28:02
Speaker 2: How do you not have your best running back out
28:04
Speaker 2: on the football field? How are you running that? I
28:06
Speaker 2: don't mind you running that, because the clock's going to
28:09
Speaker 2: stop for you. But how do you have your second
28:11
Speaker 2: best running back on the field when you could really
28:13
Speaker 2: use a chunk play right now?
28:14
Speaker 3: Yeah?
28:15
Speaker 4: I don't get that.
28:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that's and that's uh when you were
28:20
Speaker 3: watching it at home? Yeah, did you say anything to
28:22
Speaker 3: the television?
28:23
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I said a lot. I spoke a lot
28:25
Speaker 4: during this case.
28:26
Speaker 3: Made Did you say, why Clint listen to me? Yeah?
28:30
Speaker 4: And he never does, never once has he listened to me.
28:33
Speaker 3: Coach. I just want you to know I listened to you.
28:36
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29:08
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29:10
Speaker 4: If everybody's up for it anybody, No, no good?
29:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, I guess we'll do one
29:17
Speaker 2: last thing then.
29:18
Speaker 4: So what do you got for coach? Her bucket?
29:19
Speaker 7: Coach, We discussed a little bit about the booing and
29:23
Speaker 7: understandably so and play calling and whatnot. But I can
29:25
Speaker 7: remember back when you were coaching that there would be
29:28
Speaker 7: times at third and sixteen you'd call a screen or you'd.
29:31
Speaker 6: Call a draw.
29:32
Speaker 3: Draw.
29:33
Speaker 7: Yeah, last night it didn't turn into points because that
29:36
Speaker 7: was the same drive that Cooper Cup caught. That pass
29:39
Speaker 7: gets down there and Fump gets hit and fumbles. But
29:42
Speaker 7: there was a third and sixteen they called a draw
29:45
Speaker 7: and they got seventeen yards out of it. In the
29:47
Speaker 7: middle of the play when they hand off, the crowd
29:49
Speaker 7: booze and then he gets seventeen yards.
29:51
Speaker 3: Was there a part of you that smiled and said,
29:54
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm glad you brought that up, because
29:57
Speaker 3: on that play, I said, I used to that and
30:01
Speaker 3: not get credit for it. I used to do that
30:03
Speaker 3: and look at they you know what. But I thought
30:07
Speaker 3: when he handed the ball off, honestly, I was probably
30:10
Speaker 3: part of that group in the stands he said what
30:12
Speaker 3: are you doing? What are you doing? And then I
30:16
Speaker 3: caught myself. I used to do that. This is probably
30:20
Speaker 3: a pretty good ideas and he got a first down. Yes,
30:22
Speaker 3: I used to do that. Good, That's what I was
30:25
Speaker 3: hoping you did.
30:27
Speaker 6: Uh.
30:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of felt like a throwaway play that worked. Yes, yeah,
30:31
Speaker 2: it worked. And I even wrote down at the time,
30:33
Speaker 2: I wrote down that might end up being the biggest
30:35
Speaker 2: play of the year, and ended up not even being
30:38
Speaker 2: the biggest play of the quarter, but nonetheless it seemed
30:42
Speaker 2: pretty big at the time. What do you got for
30:44
Speaker 2: coach you?
30:45
Speaker 5: Yeah?
30:45
Speaker 6: You know one guy that really nobody's talking. I don't
30:50
Speaker 6: say nobody, but I don't hear it talk seldom talked
30:53
Speaker 6: about from last night is Josh Jones. And there are
30:57
Speaker 6: some positions cornerback left where no news is good news.
31:02
Speaker 6: If you don't hear him mention, you're not thinking about him.
31:05
Speaker 6: That's a good officials, it's a good thing if you're
31:08
Speaker 6: not thinking about him.
31:09
Speaker 5: Right.
31:10
Speaker 6: And and here was a guy there was two big
31:13
Speaker 6: injuries might coming into this game. Matthew Stafford didn't seem
31:17
Speaker 6: to miss DeVante Adams. He threw for four hundred and
31:20
Speaker 6: fifty seven yards and Seattle. I thought, with Josh Jones
31:23
Speaker 6: at left tackle. I thought he had a hell of
31:26
Speaker 6: a game. I mean, he had no sacks, and you
31:31
Speaker 6: know he he was in some ways. He was taking
31:34
Speaker 6: on the block closer to the line of scrimmage, a
31:36
Speaker 6: little bit more of a jump set as opposed to
31:40
Speaker 6: a kickstep deep drop. I don't know. I thought in
31:44
Speaker 6: training camp he looked like a guy that could be
31:46
Speaker 6: the best swing tackle the Seahawks have had in years,
31:49
Speaker 6: and they thrust him into those duties. I thought he
31:52
Speaker 6: had a hell of a game. Did you have any
31:54
Speaker 6: impression about him?
31:55
Speaker 3: Well, I thought going into the game, I thought, I
31:58
Speaker 3: if the Rams and they have good pass rushers on
32:01
Speaker 3: the outside, that that could be a problem. You you
32:05
Speaker 3: bring in a guy who hasn't played a lot, and
32:09
Speaker 3: you know he's going to have his hands full. But
32:10
Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned him because he did exactly what
32:13
Speaker 3: you said. He he really held it together and did
32:16
Speaker 3: a great job. And you know, he's a giant guy.
32:19
Speaker 3: He's a big man. And I didn't study the film
32:23
Speaker 3: like you do, Hugh, but it didn't it didn't disrupt anything.
32:28
Speaker 3: That didn't that didn't disrupt anything for the Seahawks, And
32:31
Speaker 3: so give him his credit.
32:32
Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, well close with this. I suppose, all right,
32:37
Speaker 2: it's a Thursday night game. I mentioned earlier in the
32:40
Speaker 2: show that you know, Ashley and I get to watch
32:43
Speaker 2: Sunday stress free. We get to watch our football this
32:46
Speaker 2: weekend completely stress free. Bucky's got a little stressing out
32:49
Speaker 2: to do. I suppose on Sunday. As a coach, when
32:52
Speaker 2: you play on Thursday night, how good does it feel
32:56
Speaker 2: coming off a win, to go into the holidays and
32:59
Speaker 2: not have to worry about whether you're gonna win or
33:01
Speaker 2: lose that weekend.
33:02
Speaker 3: I think it's great, And I think I don't know
33:05
Speaker 3: what his message to the team will be, but if
33:09
Speaker 3: I was in that exact situation they have off until Monday,
33:12
Speaker 3: you just enjoy it. Now, you caution it's a cautionary tale.
33:17
Speaker 3: You you got to kind of be smart about how
33:20
Speaker 3: you handle us. But enjoy your family, enjoy whatever you
33:22
Speaker 3: want to enjoy, and then come back Monday and we'll
33:25
Speaker 3: get rolling for the next game. But yeah, it's Thursday night,
33:28
Speaker 3: win the way they won. Enjoy the couple of days
33:32
Speaker 3: that follow that before you have to get back to work.
33:34
Speaker 4: He's really got things cooking, doesn't he. And he's really
33:37
Speaker 4: got a good program going on right now.
33:39
Speaker 3: He is really good and and and you know what,
33:42
Speaker 3: everyone and if no one anticipated this in the beginning,
33:46
Speaker 3: they thought they'd be good and improved and all that
33:48
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, but this is really something. And now
33:51
Speaker 3: they're in. They're in.
33:53
Speaker 4: They're in the past.
33:53
Speaker 3: So now they're there. Now they approach a different season,
33:57
Speaker 3: and you know, they got a couple of games left,
33:58
Speaker 3: a big important game, but they're in. And now that
34:02
Speaker 3: the playoffs and then the super Bowl, you got two
34:04
Speaker 3: different seasons coming up.
34:06
Speaker 6: Chuck, can I veer off the format real quick?
34:08
Speaker 5: Sure?
34:08
Speaker 3: Mike?
34:09
Speaker 5: Uh.
34:09
Speaker 6: The decision to go for two in overtime, some people
34:14
Speaker 6: think that there was there was a decision there. I
34:17
Speaker 6: can't imagine, you know, on a Thursday, after you played
34:20
Speaker 6: Sunday played overtime, I can't imagine asking that defense to
34:24
Speaker 6: go out on the field and play one more play.
34:27
Speaker 6: You know, it seemed like the two point was the obvious.
34:29
Speaker 6: But but what what is there anything that you're thinking
34:33
Speaker 6: as a head coach in that regard?
34:35
Speaker 3: No, I think I think that's they made the It worked,
34:38
Speaker 3: so they made the right decision. But when you have that,
34:42
Speaker 3: if you're in that position to win the football game,
34:44
Speaker 3: after what they'd gone through, I think you take your shot. Absolutely.
34:47
Speaker 3: I would have done the same thing.
34:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, especially since I mean even with a tie,
34:52
Speaker 2: if you end up with a tie, rams still on
34:54
Speaker 2: the tie break, it seemed like a no brainer to me.
34:56
Speaker 3: There was, there was right rationale for it.
34:59
Speaker 5: You.
34:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, gentlemen, excellent work. Thank you very much
35:03
Speaker 2: for everything. Appreciate it. And I'm not going to be
35:06
Speaker 2: here early next week, so i won't see you again.
35:10
Speaker 4: So Merry Christmas.
35:11
Speaker 3: Merry Christmas, guys.
35:12
Speaker 2: Happy holidays to both of you. Yeah, and we'll do
35:16
Speaker 2: this again real soon.
35:17
Speaker 3: Great, thank you, thank you so much.
35:18
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