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BOMBSHELL VIDEO: ALEX MURDAUGH AT THE SCENE? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. We are here right outside
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Speaker 1: the courthouse. The judge has just broken for lunch. And
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Speaker 1: what a day it has been in the courtroom so far.
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Speaker 1: Court kicked off this morning at nine thirty and it
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Speaker 1: was back at it with cell phone data and finally
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Speaker 1: we've gone through a labyrinth of information and we're finally
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Speaker 1: learning something. Not only that, we finally saw the snapchat
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Speaker 1: video that places Alex and murdog at the scene of
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Speaker 1: the murderer, just moments before the state says Maggie and
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Speaker 1: Paul were murdered. Let's take a listen to our cut one.
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Speaker 1: This is the snapchat audio just played in court behind me. Listen, please, okay,
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Speaker 1: I wish you could see it. We're trying to get
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Speaker 1: it so you can see it as well, just like
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Speaker 1: everybody in the courtroom and did. The way they've got
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Speaker 1: it set up are their little computer monitors for the
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Speaker 1: jars to look at. Then each side, the state and
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Speaker 1: the defense has the monitors and they just got working.
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Speaker 1: I saw today for the first time a monitor so
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Speaker 1: everyone out in the audience could see. And what that
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Speaker 1: was is Paul trying to take a video of a friend,
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Speaker 1: Rogan Gibson aka Rogueie his dog. They were going to
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Speaker 1: take the dog to event, but they wanted to show
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Speaker 1: a picture of the dog's tail to event friend of theirs,
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Speaker 1: and they wanted him to send that video. So you
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Speaker 1: hear Paul telling the dog what to do, you hear
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Speaker 1: Maggie speaking, and then you hear a third adult male voice.
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Speaker 1: The state contends it is Alex Murdoch at the scene
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Speaker 1: of the crime, just minutes before evidence suggests that Paul
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Speaker 1: and Maggie were murdered. I mean, it's he Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation in serious leven Hey, if I could
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Speaker 1: give the New York Control room to play that one
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Speaker 1: more time, because this is a bombshell for the state. Now,
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Speaker 1: how the defense is going to explain this. Are they
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Speaker 1: gonna say that's not Alex Murdoch when we've all heard
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdoch speaking. It's him. Let's listen to it one
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Speaker 1: more time, guys, take a listen, please. I'm looking at
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Speaker 1: a feed right now of what the jurars could see.
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Speaker 1: I could only see the back of Murdoch's head bobbing
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Speaker 1: up and down. But the jury just like you did.
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Speaker 1: Could see his facial expressions while that was being played.
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Speaker 1: Probably the last words that Maggie or Paul ever uttered again,
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Speaker 1: we're alive. Right outside the courthouse. We all came rushing
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Speaker 1: out for the lunch break with me an all star
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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know right now
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Speaker 1: now that Bonbashell evidence was preceded by hours of laying
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Speaker 1: and it was tedious, painstaking, minutely done by the state,
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Speaker 1: and then the defense had their chance to cross examine
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Speaker 1: sell phone data and I was amazed. Let me first
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Speaker 1: go out to Giovanni Massucci. We're waiting on our senior
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter and Emerson to dart out of the courthouse.
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Speaker 1: Giovanni Massucci, senior digital forensic examiner for over thirty five years. Giovanni,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Giovanni. We have laid
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Speaker 1: out as best we can, and we've scribbled all over
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Speaker 1: it and revised it over and over, a very intricate
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Speaker 1: list of all the movements, all the calls, all the
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Speaker 1: text messages, all the pictures, everything from eight forty pm
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Speaker 1: to ten thirty four that night. Giovanni, we can even
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Speaker 1: identify when Alex Murdog walks with a phone to his
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Speaker 1: Chevy Suburban at nine oh six, and we can see
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Speaker 1: Maggie's phone is moving at the same time, and at
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Speaker 1: nine oh six he cranks his car up. We've got
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Speaker 1: about two hundred and eighty steps by Alex Murdog at
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Speaker 1: nine oo two to nine oh six. We believe that
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Speaker 1: the sheatings occurred around eight forty nine. He's right there
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Speaker 1: based on his own steps, based on his own Chevy
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Speaker 1: suburban cranking up. Giovanni Masci explained to us how do
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Speaker 1: they do that? And the rest of the folks that
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Speaker 1: were involved at I'm us supercars and excellent jobs as
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Speaker 1: far as obtaining the data from all the phones and
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Speaker 1: correlating it together and linking all the data. Um, it
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Speaker 1: was pretty amazing how what the iPhone records itself, the
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Speaker 1: type of data with the health answer and GPS motation
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Speaker 1: and so um, it's very intricate to how they laid
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Speaker 1: it out, and I think they did a great job
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Speaker 1: deat talent it Now. Having said that, um, you know
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Speaker 1: when they talked about the motion of the phone, okay,
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Speaker 1: um and the phone you know, ringing on the phone
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Speaker 1: call coming in the defense of staying you because that
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Speaker 1: shirt is possibly the organization change um and so yeah,
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Speaker 1: you've got the phone at the same time, right, you
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Speaker 1: have the dates come at the same time. Is it possible.
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Speaker 1: Is it possible that the motion can change the phone
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Speaker 1: if the phone is making filtered Is it possible? It
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Speaker 1: depends on how Magic phone was set up, because that
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Speaker 1: held that everything we are looking at text messages incoming,
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Speaker 1: read and not read. It's pretty amazing the way we
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Speaker 1: can see what's happening. I mean, Wendy Patrick joining me,
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Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author of Why Bad Looks So Good as
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Speaker 1: well as Red Flags. Wendy, I mean, this is such
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Speaker 1: a timeline in such intricate detail. I've never seen a
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Speaker 1: murder timeline like this. You have Paul making that snapchat
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Speaker 1: video and then shortly after that he gets a message,
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Speaker 1: a text message at eight forty nine from the friend Rogie.
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Speaker 1: It's never read. And according to my calculations, the murders
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Speaker 1: happened between about eight fifty when Maggie gets a text
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Speaker 1: that she opens and within you know, two minutes, it's
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Speaker 1: all over. Wendy Patrick. No more phone calls, more texts,
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Speaker 1: no more outgoing incoming, none more photos, nothing, It's done.
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Speaker 1: It's done. You know, I would say the theme of
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Speaker 1: this testimony is time is of the essence, and the
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Speaker 1: way you cuted it up is exactly what they're proving. Talking, texting, watching,
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Speaker 1: I mean, who knew your phone could do so many things?
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Speaker 1: Think about how much easier it is to establish a
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Speaker 1: timeline with this evidence than it would have been twenty
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Speaker 1: years ago, ten years ago. And here's the thing with
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Speaker 1: the way this testimony is unfolding, regarding the cross examination.
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Speaker 1: Jurors don't leave their common sense at the door. They're
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Speaker 1: not persuaded by what's possible. They're persuaded by proof, and
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Speaker 1: they're persuaded by proof that's corroborated by this very sound
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Speaker 1: technology that they're now learning about that's consistent with the
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Speaker 1: rest of the evidence. They've already heard time stories with me.
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Speaker 1: It's a grace I'm hearing that. Anne Emerson, senior investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter WCIV ABC, is joining us outside the courthouse. Anne Emerson,
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Speaker 1: we were in their shoulder and shoulder listening and after
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Speaker 1: all of these calculations and entries and steps and camera
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Speaker 1: comes on, camera goes off, camera changes orientation. I mean, Anne,
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Speaker 1: did you know when you take your phone and you
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Speaker 1: move it from portrait like this to landscape like this
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Speaker 1: somewhere off in the lab. They can tell that you
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Speaker 1: did that. They can tell when you turn on your phone.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they can tell when you turn on your camera.
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Speaker 1: They can tell when you're walking. They can really try
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Speaker 1: everything you're doing. But based on hours of testimony, I
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Speaker 1: came down to this, Anne Emerson, do you have a
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Speaker 1: revision The murders occur between eight forty nine twenty seven
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Speaker 1: and eight forty nine thirty five. That's exactly what I'm
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Speaker 1: getting too. We've been doing the math. I've been doing
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Speaker 1: the math with you in there in the court. As
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Speaker 1: we were going along, there's this eight second window that
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Speaker 1: we're looking at from the time that Maggie read her
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Speaker 1: last text at eighty nine twenty seven to when the
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Speaker 1: last text is not read by Paul Murdoch, which is
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Speaker 1: eight forty nine thirty five. That is an eight second
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Speaker 1: window where we start seeing a very clear picture of
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Speaker 1: something going on. Now just four minutes before that, of course,
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Speaker 1: the snapchat video with the three voices on it, we
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Speaker 1: were there, Nancy at the end of that, right before
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Speaker 1: that break, we saw the faces of the jurors. We
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Speaker 1: saw how Alec Murdoch was reacting to this video and
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Speaker 1: these timelines as it got narrower and narrower. The whole
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Speaker 1: courtroom that was packed just leaned in to this part
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Speaker 1: of the testimony. You know, I'm thinking about what you
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Speaker 1: were saying in Emerson, and You're exactly right. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I can barely read all my notes because I get
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Speaker 1: one timeline and then in would come a camera coming
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Speaker 1: on and so I'd have to change it. And then
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Speaker 1: Paul's last Paul Murdog murder victim, last read text, and
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Speaker 1: then he quit reading them. But then after that, Maggie
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Speaker 1: gets a group text about her father in law's health.
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Speaker 1: She reads that, and that's where I'm getting the eight
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Speaker 1: forty nine twenty seven. She was still alive at eight
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Speaker 1: forty nine twenty seven, and by eight forty nine thirty five,
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Speaker 1: when more texts are coming in, I think from the
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Speaker 1: friend Rogan Gibson, no more phone calls, no more text,
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Speaker 1: no more reading text over and I heard something really scary.
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Speaker 1: I heard one of the lawyers bring up, is it possible?
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Speaker 1: Was she Maggie trying to take a picture, a photo
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Speaker 1: of the killer, and that happened right before the lunch break,
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Speaker 1: because her camera on her phone came open, but then
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Speaker 1: in one second it closed. Did you hear that? I
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Speaker 1: did hear that. Why was she trying to take a picture? Now?
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Speaker 1: Was she just grappling with her phone or was it
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Speaker 1: just one of those circumstances where the phone moved. We
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Speaker 1: don't know, And of course if there was a picture,
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Speaker 1: we would think we would know about it by now
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Speaker 1: of a perpetrator. But it was very compelling when we
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Speaker 1: heard that just at the break. Once again, I have
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Speaker 1: never in my life, Nancy, these these cliffhangers that we
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Speaker 1: get as we go to break, as we get a lunch,
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Speaker 1: as we end the day. It's just like you're ready
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Speaker 1: to turn the next page and they stop us. So
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Speaker 1: it's like we now we have to wait for an
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Speaker 1: hour before we find out exactly what that means. But
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Speaker 1: as far as the also, I wanted to throw in
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Speaker 1: one more thing into that timeline that we're looking at.
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Speaker 1: I wrote down that Paul's last outgoing message was also
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Speaker 1: eight forty eight oh five. So no matter how you
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Speaker 1: cut it, we're talking about seconds and minutes. We're not
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Speaker 1: talking about hours. We're not talking about a big timeline.
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Speaker 1: So if there is a way for the prosecution to
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Speaker 1: somehow link Alex voice with the third voice that we
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Speaker 1: heard on that snapchat video, that is going to be
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Speaker 1: very compelling evidence. And I just gotta say, I mean,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to circle back to you on a
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Speaker 1: text that Maggie we now know what it said, sent
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Speaker 1: her friend as she was in route to the hunting
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Speaker 1: lodge at Moselle. Let me bring in Robert Crispin, private investigator,
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Speaker 1: former federal Task Force officer for the US Department of
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Speaker 1: Justice at Crispin Investigations dot com. Robert, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Robert, please come on. He gave his
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Speaker 1: story that he was never at the kennel, never, and
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Speaker 1: here he is popping up on audio. It's him, even
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Speaker 1: the context of what he's saying. He's talking to them
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Speaker 1: about this dog picture. I mean, it's clearly Maggie, Paul
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Speaker 1: and Alex Murdog the defendant. Yeah, this is a major
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Speaker 1: problem for them, any huge problem for the fence. And
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Speaker 1: the best part about all this is this is electronic evidence,
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Speaker 1: and electronic evidence cannot be altered. And this is what
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Speaker 1: you got out of your phone, and this chronicologically laid
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Speaker 1: out exactly the steps he took, where he was, and
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Speaker 1: everything else that went along all the way up until
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Speaker 1: the killings. He gave a statement that said he was sleeping.
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Speaker 1: That's just not possible because if you go back and
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Speaker 1: you look at the testimony from the detective Love, there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of steps in his phone starting at six
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Speaker 1: and seven o'clock and going on up. So he's not sleeping. Oh,
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Speaker 1: you're so smart. You're so smart. Put it connecting those dots,
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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, hold on, guys, he just did something pretty brilliant.
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Speaker 1: Murderdock says he's asleep before the shootings, and then he
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Speaker 1: wakes up in the hunting lodge, goes straight to his
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Speaker 1: suburban and leaves. But we've gotten his suburban leaving at
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Speaker 1: nine oh six. But Crispin is correct. The phone shows.
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Speaker 1: We were all trying to figure out, why are we
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Speaker 1: talking about Alex murder dog steps, you know, an hour
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Speaker 1: before the shootings. Because of what Crispin just said, He's
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Speaker 1: not asleep, he's walking around. Go ahead, Robert, let me
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Speaker 1: explain to you also about automatic weapon fire as well
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Speaker 1: as a shotgun blast. It's deafening and on certain nights,
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Speaker 1: depending on where you are, automatic weapon fire can be
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Speaker 1: heard for miles away. We're talking a thousand yards from
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Speaker 1: the house down to the kennels. He was up. Clearly,
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Speaker 1: his app is showing that he's walking. He's not sleeping
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Speaker 1: like he said he was. The video puts him there.
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Speaker 1: Trust me, if he was at the house, that automatic
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Speaker 1: automatic weapon fire would have woke him up, and he
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Speaker 1: would have jumped up in two seconds. And at nine
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Speaker 1: o eight we've got Murdog texting Maggie quote going to
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Speaker 1: check on him. Mom, be right back. So at nine
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Speaker 1: oh eight, he's texting Maggie, who, by this point we
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Speaker 1: believe is dead. Hey, I'm going to check our mom.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm wondering is he walking along with her
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Speaker 1: phone as he's texting her? Hey? Is that you and
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Speaker 1: Emerson jumping in? There seems to be a lot of
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Speaker 1: health data that we've really got to take a look at.
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Speaker 1: And one of the things is that Alex's phone, according
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Speaker 1: to these steps data, that phone is not moving from
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Speaker 1: eight o nine to nine o two pm. So there's
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Speaker 1: a question of, well, if the state carries on with
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Speaker 1: this thought process, then did he leave his phone back
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Speaker 1: at the house when he was supposedly on the snapchat
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Speaker 1: video if they do prove that that's Alex's voice on
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Speaker 1: the snapchat video. Now, But the other thing is is
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Speaker 1: that we've got to figure out some things about these steps,
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Speaker 1: about when Maggie's phone, her health data is going to
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Speaker 1: play a critical role in the defense. It looks like
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Speaker 1: because maggie steps do not marry with when Alec was
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Speaker 1: moving at that critical nine oz six window, when he's
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Speaker 1: turning on his car and driving off. We know that
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Speaker 1: because we've got that information coming out of his phone
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Speaker 1: in his car. Now we need to figure out what's
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Speaker 1: going on with Maggie's phone at that point. This is
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Speaker 1: how the defense is able to start weaving in a
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Speaker 1: theory that we are hearing again about a possible second shooter.
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Speaker 1: So I think that's going to be very important because
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Speaker 1: Maggie's phone, according to what the defense was asking the
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Speaker 1: expert on the stand, Lieutenant Dove, was not moving at
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Speaker 1: the same time as at nine oh six times. So
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Speaker 1: so Nancy, I think that's going to be very critical
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Speaker 1: to what we see as we as we hear you
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Speaker 1: on through this day. We got to find out how
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Speaker 1: that all works together. But at nine oh six, Maggie's
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Speaker 1: phone changes orientation. At nine oh six, her phone changes orientation.
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Speaker 1: In other words, someone moves it from portrait to landscape.
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Speaker 1: The phone is moving. At nine oh six nine o seven,
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Speaker 1: her phone camera activates for one second, indicating someone may
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Speaker 1: have been trying to unlo lock her phone. It didn't work.
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Speaker 1: So to me, that fit's hand in hand with him walking.
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Speaker 1: I say, you're saying, Maggie's phone is not walking. Is
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Speaker 1: that what you're saying. That's what I'm saying, Her steps
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Speaker 1: are walking. So how do we how do we get that?
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Speaker 1: Is it? Is it a matter of a vehicles involved
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Speaker 1: at this point? Um, It's sort of what I'm wondering
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Speaker 1: is if maybe a vehicle could be could be possibly
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Speaker 1: involved in the state's UH argument at that point. So
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to see. I want to just say
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Speaker 1: that those guns that the noise Nancy, just the lasting
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Speaker 1: on what what we just heard about the guns and
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Speaker 1: the noise UM. So far, we've heard that those suppressors
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Speaker 1: were never bought by Alec, which means the silencers, anything
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Speaker 1: that would have lessened that deafening noise from guns was
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Speaker 1: not purchased on the blackout rifles, So it certainly lends
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Speaker 1: into why didn't we hear these this gun fire loud?
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Speaker 1: As h A double l is Wendy Patrick. I want
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Speaker 1: to point out if all of those jurors have phones
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Speaker 1: and they're listening to the testimony from the witness Dan,
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Speaker 1: and obviously they know that's the only evidence they're supposed
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Speaker 1: to consider, But you know, they know how these phones work.
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Speaker 1: They chuck their steps, they look at how how many
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Speaker 1: miles they've watched, They take pictures all the time, They
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Speaker 1: accidentally text the wrong people, they swipe wrong and they
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Speaker 1: get a different screen. There are things running in the
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Speaker 1: background that are slowing down to their programs. They have
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Speaker 1: knowledge that I hope they don't use in the deliberation room,
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Speaker 1: but you have to remember they're also going to be
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Speaker 1: able to use that knowledge to gauge the credibility of
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Speaker 1: the testimony they're hearing and the weight to afford this
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Speaker 1: is it possible questions that keep coming out, So they
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Speaker 1: are going to have their own expertise, if you will,
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Speaker 1: legally that they're going to be lending to this analysis.
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Speaker 1: Also joining US doctor Michelle Duprey. This is her Neck
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Speaker 1: of the Woods forensic pathologists, medical examiner and detective and
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Speaker 1: author on the homicide investigation Sealed Guide. Let me warn
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Speaker 1: the New York Control room, I'm trying to hear that
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Speaker 1: sound where we learn what Maggie texted her friend about
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Speaker 1: going out to the hunting lodge on Moselle. Doctor Michelle Dupree,
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Speaker 1: we know you and I have seen a lot of
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Speaker 1: domestic homicides. I've seen very few homicides where the perp
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Speaker 1: kills his wife and his child in this manner. That
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Speaker 1: said doctor Michelle Dupree. We both know that Maggie Murdog
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Speaker 1: had been living at Adesto Beach, at the beach House,
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Speaker 1: and she didn't like coming back and forth to Moselle,
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Speaker 1: that hunting lodge. But we were wondering why was she
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Speaker 1: there that night of all nights. So, doctor Michelle Dupree,
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Speaker 1: I want you to listen along with me about what
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Speaker 1: we just heard in the courtroom. Roll it please. It's
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Speaker 1: Jean seven, twenty twenty one. It's at seven to fifty
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Speaker 1: five twenty six pm. But this is a UTC time
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Speaker 1: so to go back to minus four hours to say
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Speaker 1: that to our time zone would be at three fifty
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Speaker 1: five twenty six pm, and that's three twenty five, three
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Speaker 1: fifty five in the afternoon. Correct, yes, yes, that's in
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Speaker 1: the afternoon. You should track four red text please. It says,
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Speaker 1: t Y, I'm waiting at doctor Alex wants me to
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Speaker 1: come home. Wants me to come home. I had to
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Speaker 1: leave door open at Edisto, but trust Mexicans to shut
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Speaker 1: and lock for me. His dad is back in hospital.
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Speaker 1: The last doctor claims no cancer, it's pneumonia. And there's
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Speaker 1: some emojis, and it says Alex. But I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: if that's going into the next thread of Okay, doctor
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Speaker 1: dupre There you have it. She writes her friend, Alex
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Speaker 1: wants me to come home. And we all know it
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Speaker 1: was to go and visit the father, the ailing father
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Speaker 1: in the hospital, mister Randolph. And the thing is, he
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Speaker 1: never went to go see mister Randolph. He never went
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Speaker 1: with her to go see mister Randolph. She got out
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Speaker 1: there and he left, reportedly to go see his mother
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Speaker 1: for what twenty minutes, then come back and whoa, my
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Speaker 1: wife is dead exactly Nancy. And I also remember that
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Speaker 1: Maggie texted a friend on the way and said, I
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Speaker 1: don't like this. I don't feel comfortable Alex is up
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Speaker 1: to something or something along those lines. And another thing,
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Speaker 1: if Alex was there during the timeframe that this electronic
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Speaker 1: data is showing, he says he didn't see if anyone
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Speaker 1: else around, Well, that's within minutes of when this happened,
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Speaker 1: and he saw no one and Emerson with us. You
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Speaker 1: were there when this went down, and the jury was
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Speaker 1: all Ears and Emerson absolutely, and I mean everybody's just
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Speaker 1: you know, as one legal analyst said to me, um,
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Speaker 1: it feels like Maggie and Paul are talking to us
23:03
Speaker 1: from the grave, telling us exactly what's going on. Um
23:07
Speaker 1: As in the minutes and hours leading up to their deaths.
23:11
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable how many details were getting off of these phones.
23:15
Speaker 1: And one of the things that that that's really been
23:18
Speaker 1: bothering me as well as I've been listening to it
23:21
Speaker 1: is the text message that Alec purportedly sent to Maggie
23:26
Speaker 1: on his way as he was about to leave to
23:29
Speaker 1: go see his mom. Now he sends a text that says,
23:32
Speaker 1: I'm going to go see him him or mom like,
23:36
Speaker 1: which isn't And as you said, like, why did why
23:40
Speaker 1: did Maggie not go to the hospital to go see
23:43
Speaker 1: the dad. Um, there's just a lot of confusion right there.
23:46
Speaker 1: That defense is going to have to work double time
23:49
Speaker 1: to clean up. I think, well that's starting. Well, yeah,
23:52
Speaker 1: they're really They've got a lot to work with regarding
23:56
Speaker 1: this because the fact that Maggie's phone was not moving
23:59
Speaker 1: a lot along with his. That's gonna be a problem
24:02
Speaker 1: for the state. But I've got a feeling their expert's
24:05
Speaker 1: going to be able to come through. Guys, so much
24:08
Speaker 1: happening in the courtroom. I want you to also listen
24:10
Speaker 1: to our cut seven. Take a listen. At some point
24:15
Speaker 1: in time, did you ever have another conversation with Alec
24:19
Speaker 1: about making another blackout? I did? And when roughly was
24:22
Speaker 1: that you recall? It would have been around April twenty eighteen.
24:27
Speaker 1: April of twenty eighteen, all right, And what did Alec
24:30
Speaker 1: tell you? What was your conversation with him about making
24:32
Speaker 1: a third blackout? That Paul had lost or misplaced his
24:37
Speaker 1: rifle and he wanted to replace it. Okay, And did
24:42
Speaker 1: you ultimately make him a third blackout? I did? Did
24:45
Speaker 1: this particular rifle? Did you put any optic on him?
24:47
Speaker 1: I did know? All right? Did Alex say don't put
24:50
Speaker 1: an optic on it because they already lost the other one. Yes,
24:52
Speaker 1: those optics are fairly expensive. It can be es her. Okay, guys,
24:56
Speaker 1: you were just hearing different stuff from the courtroom. It
24:59
Speaker 1: was about a blackout gun, a third blackout gun, and
25:02
Speaker 1: I'm actually glad you guys played that. Thank you, control room,
25:05
Speaker 1: because the blackout guns have become a source of contention
25:10
Speaker 1: in the courtroom, as we all know, and it was
25:12
Speaker 1: really first revealed publicly by sled South Carolina law enforcement
25:18
Speaker 1: in court that neither murder weapon has ever been recovered,
25:24
Speaker 1: So these blackout guns have become a real bone of contention.
25:30
Speaker 1: We know that in twenty sixteen, Murdoch buys two blackout guns,
25:35
Speaker 1: which I'm gonna explain to you what they are for
25:38
Speaker 1: his son's totaling almost nine thousand dollars. Then in twenty
25:43
Speaker 1: eighteen he goes and gets another blackout I guess for himself.
25:49
Speaker 1: To end, Emerson tell me about what is a blackout
25:55
Speaker 1: gun and why has that become such a central focus
25:58
Speaker 1: in the trial. And there's a couple of different things.
26:01
Speaker 1: They're really tying it together quite well. On the state side,
26:04
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, we have two guns that are
26:06
Speaker 1: bought for the boys that we're as you just said, now,
26:10
Speaker 1: the Blackout rifle is an assault type rifle that can
26:14
Speaker 1: shoot these semi automatic rounds. And this is the rifle
26:19
Speaker 1: that killed Maggie. And we know this also because we
26:23
Speaker 1: found three hundred Blackout shell casings right underneath her, I
26:28
Speaker 1: mean they were right there. We also found shell casings
26:31
Speaker 1: with the same markings at the range where the Murdochs
26:36
Speaker 1: have property. We found the same shell casings near the
26:40
Speaker 1: stoop of the house and that was all in testimony.
26:43
Speaker 1: And the problem there is that they all have the
26:46
Speaker 1: same tool markings they identify to the same gun. It's
26:50
Speaker 1: like a fingerprint for a gun, the DNA of a gun.
26:53
Speaker 1: So that is why this Blackout rifle keeps on getting
26:56
Speaker 1: brought up. Now, what we understand is that Paul law
27:00
Speaker 1: or it was stolen or something happened to this gun
27:04
Speaker 1: that he received. So Alec goes and gets another gun.
27:08
Speaker 1: And I have to bring up something that we talked
27:10
Speaker 1: about yesterday. You were like and didn't you see you, Rambo, like,
27:12
Speaker 1: don't you know how people carried two guns? I remember
27:15
Speaker 1: you asking me about that. So I went back and
27:17
Speaker 1: looked at the Blackout rifles, and what I learned about
27:20
Speaker 1: the the gun that Paul had lost or stolen or
27:24
Speaker 1: it went missing, this second Blackout rifle had a long
27:28
Speaker 1: um sling on it in order to carry it. The
27:32
Speaker 1: other one didn't. And it just brought home the fact
27:34
Speaker 1: what you said earlier to me, Well, maybe maybe it
27:37
Speaker 1: was a slung across the back. That's that is one
27:41
Speaker 1: way that there could be two guns on one person.
27:43
Speaker 1: And you see it in the picture Clear's day. You know,
27:45
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about that missing Blackout gun. For a
27:48
Speaker 1: gun that costs, you know, forty five hundred dollars, I
27:51
Speaker 1: believe I would file a police report if that was stolen,
27:54
Speaker 1: but that never happened, leaving me to wonder was it
27:58
Speaker 1: ever stolen? Hey, Robert Crispa, how would you define the
28:02
Speaker 1: kind of gun we're talking about the gun that murdered
28:06
Speaker 1: Paul Murdog A very violent weapon, a very violent shotgun
28:11
Speaker 1: and a very powerful, impacting projectile that comes out and
28:16
Speaker 1: just rips through your flesh and just annihilates your body.
28:20
Speaker 1: Guys are talking about the blackout gun used to commit
28:23
Speaker 1: at least one of the murderers. And now I'm going
28:26
Speaker 1: to try that cuts seven about phone records. Phone records
28:31
Speaker 1: regarding Alex murdog take a listen. Record twenty five shows
28:36
Speaker 1: that the phone recorded seventy four steps start time of
28:40
Speaker 1: June seventh, twenty twenty one at eight o five thirty
28:44
Speaker 1: five pm, ending time of eight to nine fifty two pm.
28:49
Speaker 1: Record twenty six shows the phone recorded two hundred and
28:53
Speaker 1: eighty three steps, with a start time of June seventh,
28:56
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one nine two eighteen pm ending time nine
29:01
Speaker 1: six forty seven pm. So, and I'll hand this report
29:08
Speaker 1: back to you, But we see an hour gapproximately an
29:13
Speaker 1: hour gap between those steps we needed at eight or
29:15
Speaker 1: nine and when the steps start occur again at nine
29:19
Speaker 1: two correct? Correct between those two times between eight or nine? No, sir,
29:25
Speaker 1: I do not. And whose phone are we talking about him?
29:30
Speaker 1: This phone was Alex Murdoch's phone. Okay. Robert Crispin sounds
29:35
Speaker 1: to me like Murdoch, according to the State, left his
29:39
Speaker 1: phone back at the hunting lodge or maybe even in
29:42
Speaker 1: his vehicle is Chevy suburban while he went and committed
29:46
Speaker 1: double murder. He did not take his phone there. His
29:49
Speaker 1: phone went not dark, but no steps, no activity for
29:53
Speaker 1: about an hour. So are you forgetting who we're dealing with.
29:56
Speaker 1: We're dealing with a former prosecutor who has prosecuted the
30:00
Speaker 1: these types of cases in the past. He has an
30:02
Speaker 1: entire family of prosecutors that have prosecuted murders and violent crimes.
30:08
Speaker 1: He's not stupid. He knows this was systematically laid out.
30:12
Speaker 1: But what happened is he started to get tunnel vision,
30:16
Speaker 1: and when you get tunnel vision, you start to lose
30:19
Speaker 1: sight of the big picture. So yes, he knew, let's
30:23
Speaker 1: put that phone down. He knew that these records are
30:26
Speaker 1: going to eventually come into play. He's not stupid. One
30:30
Speaker 1: thing I do want you to do, Nancy, is when
30:32
Speaker 1: you go back, and I just want to bring this
30:34
Speaker 1: up real quick. I want you to go back watch
30:37
Speaker 1: when they play that video again with the snapchat video.
30:40
Speaker 1: I want even the lay person, and I have interviewed
30:44
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of suspects in my career, the lay person.
30:48
Speaker 1: I want you to look at Alex Murdoch when they're
30:52
Speaker 1: playing that video, and I want you to watch his expression,
30:56
Speaker 1: and I want you to watch and see how red
30:58
Speaker 1: he gets. And then I want you to look over
31:00
Speaker 1: his defense lawyer right to his left, and I want
31:03
Speaker 1: you to look at the defense lawyer look at him
31:06
Speaker 1: with open eyes like WHOA. I think he wanted to
31:09
Speaker 1: tell him calm down. This is a very, very big
31:15
Speaker 1: problem for the defense, and they're playing that. Watch him.
31:19
Speaker 1: He's short of breath, he can't catch his breath. He's
31:22
Speaker 1: turning red, he's shaking his head. Listen, we need the
31:27
Speaker 1: rest of the facts to come out before we say
31:29
Speaker 1: guilty or innocent. But I'm telling you right now, that
31:33
Speaker 1: is a key moment in this trial, a key moment,
31:36
Speaker 1: and I'm sure the jury looked over and saw that.
31:39
Speaker 1: That is a huge problem for h I gotta tell
31:42
Speaker 1: you something. We've been watching the Girars. We've been watching
31:45
Speaker 1: the Girars, Robert, and it's exactly as you say. There's
31:49
Speaker 1: one guy wearing wire framed glasses on the front row
31:54
Speaker 1: on the far left, and I'm sure you've seen him.
31:57
Speaker 1: He looks at Alex Murdog NonStop. It's not a benevolent look.
32:05
Speaker 1: It's just a very analytical look, just looking at him.
32:09
Speaker 1: It's all this evidence is pouring in and Wendy Patrick,
32:13
Speaker 1: I can tell you this, all of this tedious, meticulous
32:17
Speaker 1: discussion of this phone call at this time and the
32:20
Speaker 1: phone turns off at that time and the phone walks
32:22
Speaker 1: at this time. It may be all blending together in
32:26
Speaker 1: everybody's mind. That's why I had to keep taking notes.
32:29
Speaker 1: But when the state lays it out in a timeline
32:34
Speaker 1: and you see Paul and Maggie responding to texts, moving around,
32:41
Speaker 1: reading texts, taking videos, and then suddenly everything stops and
32:47
Speaker 1: they never move again, you know that's the time of
32:52
Speaker 1: the murder. No more text or read, no more text
32:55
Speaker 1: or sent, no more phone calls, nothing. It's gonna be
32:58
Speaker 1: laid out very clearly. When the state does closing statements,
33:03
Speaker 1: we often say that that's a way we can prove
33:06
Speaker 1: the case without the victims, because they testify through their
33:09
Speaker 1: digital evidence, through their electronics, through their phone. Once they're dead.
33:14
Speaker 1: Now you wonder whether or not manipulation is this kind
33:17
Speaker 1: of sophistication to alibi, And that's what we're seeing. That's
33:21
Speaker 1: what we've talked about in other other segments, is whether
33:24
Speaker 1: or not movement after death has to do with fabrication
33:28
Speaker 1: rather than memorialization. Is what the mom and the sun
33:32
Speaker 1: were doing while they were alive, And that's why it's
33:34
Speaker 1: so important that that timeline starts and stops and ends
33:37
Speaker 1: exactly when it does. See what you're saying earlier so
33:41
Speaker 1: important as far as what you're seeing in that courtroom
33:44
Speaker 1: and what I'm seeing in that courtroom as well. I
33:47
Speaker 1: was watching Alec, not just when we were listening to
33:51
Speaker 1: the snapchat video, but when they were talking about his steps.
33:54
Speaker 1: He had that same look on his face, Nancy. It
33:57
Speaker 1: was just this clenching of the jaw, he was chewing,
34:01
Speaker 1: he had his glasses off, he was kind of kind
34:04
Speaker 1: of moving back and forth a little bit, but it
34:06
Speaker 1: was this extreme anxiety intension that you could actually read
34:10
Speaker 1: on his face. So I was very curious to see
34:13
Speaker 1: how some of these jurors that were looking intently at him,
34:16
Speaker 1: how they were handling that sort of anxiety and stress
34:19
Speaker 1: that he was exhibiting. Because one thing that I did notice,
34:22
Speaker 1: as well as just just taking notes on all of
34:25
Speaker 1: the steps that were involved, just to jump over there
34:29
Speaker 1: for a minute, the number two eighty three kept on
34:32
Speaker 1: getting brought up, both in Maggie's steps and in no
34:36
Speaker 1: in Alex steps and in Paul's steps. I saw twice
34:40
Speaker 1: two eighty three steps were walked on that phone on
34:44
Speaker 1: Alec and then Paul. I saw the same number now.
34:47
Speaker 1: The first two eighty three with Alec was earlier in
34:50
Speaker 1: the day and it took about ten minutes to walk.
34:52
Speaker 1: The second two eighty three was from nine o two
34:55
Speaker 1: to nine oh six. That was a four minute jaunt
34:59
Speaker 1: wherever he and then two eighty three was also recorded
35:03
Speaker 1: on Paul's phone. Um, I just want to know how
35:06
Speaker 1: far the kennels are from the house, as far as subscope.
35:08
Speaker 1: That's all I want to know. I have a feeling
35:11
Speaker 1: I might be able to figure it out. Yeah, right,
35:18
Speaker 1: And the US, it's sunny and windy here outside the courthouse.
35:25
Speaker 1: The courtroom was kept at a very low temperature. There
35:28
Speaker 1: was one girar I know you guys. Oh you can't
35:31
Speaker 1: see the girars from the feed, but she's so called.
35:34
Speaker 1: She brings the blanket in every day. And the reason
35:37
Speaker 1: they're keeping the courtroom cold is they don't want the
35:39
Speaker 1: girars to fall asleep during this very meticulous phone data.
35:46
Speaker 1: And it's coming from basically a scientist, a technician that
35:52
Speaker 1: is an expert in this, and he is definitely an expert.
35:56
Speaker 1: So they're sitting up there and they don't want the
35:58
Speaker 1: girars to get warm and doze off. So everybody's freezing
36:02
Speaker 1: in the courtroom, and every so often the Jose says,
36:06
Speaker 1: let's stand up, and everybody stands up and moves around
36:09
Speaker 1: to keep those jurars focused on what's happening. But I
36:13
Speaker 1: can tell you several of those girars have a gaze
36:19
Speaker 1: right at Murdog throughout the entire thing. Time stories with
36:39
Speaker 1: Nancy Greece. We are here right outside the courthouse. The
36:45
Speaker 1: court kicked off this morning at nine thirty and it
36:48
Speaker 1: was back at it with cell phoned data. I want
36:51
Speaker 1: you to take a listen to another specter that reared
36:55
Speaker 1: its ugly head in the courtroom. Did Murdog delete calls
37:02
Speaker 1: and messages? Take a listen to our cut six, and again,
37:07
Speaker 1: every time there's a cover up of any sort, it
37:10
Speaker 1: always comes out and it makes the person look even
37:13
Speaker 1: more in afarious than they did before. Take a listen
37:15
Speaker 1: to our cut six. We see just simply a gap
37:19
Speaker 1: and see calls from May of twenty twenty one, and
37:22
Speaker 1: then there's a couple of calls on June fourth of
37:27
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and then nothing until ten twenty five
37:30
Speaker 1: pm the night of the murder. Is correct? The SR
37:33
Speaker 1: correct is that can the database simply overriding itself explain
37:37
Speaker 1: that gap. A gap like that would indicate that it
37:42
Speaker 1: was actually removed from there. How can those calls be removed?
37:47
Speaker 1: To create such a gap. For a call to be removed,
37:52
Speaker 1: you can go in and very easily go to your
37:55
Speaker 1: call out if you chose to, and you can swipe it.
37:57
Speaker 1: If you move it to the left that number, it'll
38:00
Speaker 1: pop up red on the right hand side and say delete.
38:02
Speaker 1: And if you choose to delete that call, you could
38:04
Speaker 1: do that same way you could with text messaging, voice smeils,
38:08
Speaker 1: other things that you have access to user access to.
38:12
Speaker 1: Is there any way other than that what you just
38:14
Speaker 1: described that you're aware of that could any process that
38:18
Speaker 1: could explain that gap in call records on out to
38:21
Speaker 1: his phone? No, sir, let's go back to senior digital
38:26
Speaker 1: forensic examiner Giovanni Massucci. Giovanni interpret for us. Yeah, so
38:33
Speaker 1: it's definitely very possible that he could have deleted data,
38:36
Speaker 1: not an issue, very easy to do it. And the examiner,
38:40
Speaker 1: the expert on the stand for the prostitution, is it
38:43
Speaker 1: possible that he could have picked up delete? It isn't
38:45
Speaker 1: possible with the tools that they were utilized. The sum right. Two.
38:49
Speaker 1: It reads a data that was extracted using them the
38:53
Speaker 1: grazing tool to unlock the phone. Absolutely, and so with
38:58
Speaker 1: the fast intraction he could have got deleted data. Now
39:01
Speaker 1: there's no rhyme or reason how gets deleted once the
39:04
Speaker 1: user of the phone delete the data, because it's a
39:08
Speaker 1: short memory that's on the phone, and so and every
39:11
Speaker 1: time the phone is used, which is vold of data,
39:14
Speaker 1: it can be overridden. Okay, so they weren't able to
39:17
Speaker 1: do a physical attraction where you could get more data
39:20
Speaker 1: that's been deleted, but the possibilities did exist for them
39:23
Speaker 1: to absolutely get deleted data. The question is we need
39:27
Speaker 1: to hear him stay our prostitution expert say that he
39:31
Speaker 1: acquired deleted data. And so I'm curious if they're going
39:34
Speaker 1: to bring any of that up as a trial goes on.
39:37
Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see where they are on that point,
39:40
Speaker 1: because that's one of the things that I wrote down,
39:42
Speaker 1: is like worst deleted data that they try to get
39:44
Speaker 1: the deleted data? Was there any deleted data? You know,
39:47
Speaker 1: how difficult is it to retrieve deleted data? Giovanni? It's
39:52
Speaker 1: not that difficult if now it depends on them making
39:56
Speaker 1: model phone you know, wasn't iPhone. I wasn't. I didn't
39:58
Speaker 1: see words the model, But it also depends on the
40:01
Speaker 1: iOS and what the schools can actually recover for that
40:05
Speaker 1: iOS making model. They had Cellbright Celebrate as a standard
40:10
Speaker 1: industry standard for forensic examiner. They used magnet Actium, another
40:15
Speaker 1: standard pool in the industry. They used great Key for Unlockey.
40:20
Speaker 1: These are all standards industry pools that they utilize. So
40:24
Speaker 1: again it breaks down to, you know, what was left
40:27
Speaker 1: on that phone, what residue my other pushing becomes. Did
40:32
Speaker 1: did Alex add backup any backup to I clouds? We
40:36
Speaker 1: haven't heard anything about ice clouds for any of the
40:39
Speaker 1: victim and any of the phones that were analyzed. I'd
40:43
Speaker 1: like to know if they were able to obtain any
40:46
Speaker 1: backup data that it was put on ice clouds, So
40:51
Speaker 1: any you know, So these are things that I'm very
40:54
Speaker 1: curious to hear. I am wondering, are we going to
40:57
Speaker 1: get that lost data or delay data? Will we hear that?
41:02
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not hearing that right now. That expert
41:04
Speaker 1: seems to think unless the defense has something up their sleeve.
41:07
Speaker 1: They're saying that once you swipe across that that information
41:10
Speaker 1: about the lost call. That call is deleted, the information
41:14
Speaker 1: other information on the phone data on that phone. We
41:18
Speaker 1: haven't heard if they've been able to extract any deleted
41:21
Speaker 1: data yet, but I will tell you that the issue
41:25
Speaker 1: here that I'm sure the defense is going to be
41:27
Speaker 1: bringing up is that they did not get Alex's phone
41:31
Speaker 1: until September. That's three months later when they started working
41:35
Speaker 1: with Alex's phone. And also to throw in that timeline,
41:39
Speaker 1: that snapchat video that we keep on talking about that
41:42
Speaker 1: we saw today on Paul's phone that is going to
41:46
Speaker 1: be so critical, that did not get unlocked on Paul's
41:50
Speaker 1: phone until March, nine months after these murders. That's when
41:56
Speaker 1: that was extracting from that phone. So there has been
41:59
Speaker 1: a delay to be able to get some of this information.
42:02
Speaker 1: Now as far as Paul's phone, of course, we don't
42:05
Speaker 1: think it's been manipulated. Alex's phone, yes, huge question. May
42:10
Speaker 1: thirty at twenty twenty one, and then to June fourth,
42:15
Speaker 1: and then June seventh, So June seventh, of course, being
42:18
Speaker 1: the data of the double murders. We have these deleted
42:21
Speaker 1: phone calls that the State brought up earlier today, where
42:25
Speaker 1: are they as far as the calls go. I think
42:28
Speaker 1: I heard from the expert that those calls were gone.
42:31
Speaker 1: But the data, the data, we got to find out
42:33
Speaker 1: that there's going to be data that they can pull out.
42:36
Speaker 1: They seem to be able to do a lot dancy too.
42:38
Speaker 1: Withthy Patrick. It never looks good when you're trying to
42:41
Speaker 1: get rid or delete evidence. Withthy Patrick, when the cover
42:45
Speaker 1: up becomes evidence of the crime, as deleting evidence and
42:48
Speaker 1: deleting phone calls, it really illustrates as a practical matter
42:51
Speaker 1: why behavior of the defendant after a murder is sometimes
42:55
Speaker 1: even more important. That's why the jurors are looking so
42:58
Speaker 1: intently at mister Murdoch. They from Paul and Maggie on
43:01
Speaker 1: the tape. They know what their their movements were before
43:04
Speaker 1: the murder. But if you don't have or if you
43:06
Speaker 1: have any conclusive evidence digitally, they're going to look emotionally
43:11
Speaker 1: and try to determine how would someone act after they
43:13
Speaker 1: just killed their spouse and son, and whether or not
43:16
Speaker 1: those movements are consistent, because sometimes we just don't have
43:19
Speaker 1: all the digital evidence, even in this day and age
43:22
Speaker 1: that we wish we could have. Doctor Michel Duprez, I
43:27
Speaker 1: was just going to ask you about that, Doctor Dupree.
43:30
Speaker 1: Counter Measures, or what we call measures, attempts to cover
43:34
Speaker 1: up a crime, to counter the evidence. Doctor Michelle Dupree,
43:39
Speaker 1: we're talking about lack of evidence, but I mean, to me,
43:42
Speaker 1: it's laid out minute by minute, murder by the minute,
43:48
Speaker 1: you have eight forty eight, eight forty seven, eight forty six.
43:52
Speaker 1: You have him walking to his car at the same
43:54
Speaker 1: time he's calling Maggie. I'm texting her, Hey, I'm gonna
43:57
Speaker 1: go check our mom. If he's still there at home,
44:00
Speaker 1: he should have heard those shot gun blasts and that
44:02
Speaker 1: blackout gun blast. I mean, I think this is a
44:05
Speaker 1: lot of evidence, doctor Dupree, exactly. I agree with you, Nancy,
44:09
Speaker 1: And we keep hearing about circumstantial evidence. I love circumstantial evidence.
44:13
Speaker 1: Circumstantial evidence is physical evidence. Physical evidence does not lie.
44:18
Speaker 1: So all of these things, these discrepancies, as we said before,
44:21
Speaker 1: they're forensic countermeasures. It's someone who is intentionally trying to
44:25
Speaker 1: cover up their actions. And to me, that's a very
44:28
Speaker 1: guilty scenario. Well statement, yet, Okay, go ahead and tell
44:34
Speaker 1: me about that that. I want to circle back to.
44:37
Speaker 1: Did Maggie pick up her own murder weapon? Go ahead,
44:40
Speaker 1: and well, I was just gonna say, I mean, well,
44:43
Speaker 1: the question now is um okay. So we heard from
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Speaker 1: Alec earlier on about the statements he gave to law enforcement, right,
44:52
Speaker 1: and we heard that he was asleep and then he
44:55
Speaker 1: went to go see his mom and that he just
44:57
Speaker 1: called Maggie. Well, there's a third statement. We've been told
45:00
Speaker 1: that he made a third statement to law enforcement. I'm
45:03
Speaker 1: wondering when they're going to introduce that. And does does
45:06
Speaker 1: this video play a role in that? Was it a
45:09
Speaker 1: late statement that he gave to law enforcement. I have
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Speaker 1: a lot of questions about how he handles any conversations
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Speaker 1: with police once his snapchot video surface. We're all aware
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Speaker 1: of it, he's aware of it. How does that fit
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Speaker 1: into his timeline? Did he try and move things around?
45:26
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be very interesting. Guys. I
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Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our cut three.
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Speaker 1: Did Maggie Murdoch actually go and pick up for her
45:35
Speaker 1: husband's convenience her own murder weapon? Listen? Did you ultimately
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Speaker 1: provide that weapon? I did? All right, We'll tell me
45:42
Speaker 1: how you provided that. Didall pick it up or does
45:44
Speaker 1: somebody else pick it up? He did not when I
45:47
Speaker 1: let him know who was ready. He said he was unavailable,
45:50
Speaker 1: and Maggie would come pick it up. Okay, and is
45:52
Speaker 1: that what happened? It is all right, And so tell
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Speaker 1: me about that. Tell me tell about your interaction with
45:57
Speaker 1: Maggie when she picked that weapon up. She came to town,
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Speaker 1: we met, did some paperwork and handing me a check,
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Speaker 1: drove back to handon and you gave the lab yes,
46:09
Speaker 1: leave ye. She would have completed the forty four seventy
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Speaker 1: three with me, all right. So you made three blackouts
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Speaker 1: excluding the optic roughly in the same configuration, Maggie pick
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Speaker 1: up that thirdswer the irony, did Maggie Murdog actually unknowingly
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Speaker 1: go and pick up for her husband her own murder
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Speaker 1: weapon that's floating around the courtroom. As well as what
46:34
Speaker 1: we can reveal an our cut four, This goes back
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Speaker 1: to did someone the question did someone try to use
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Speaker 1: facial recognition to open up Maggie's cell phone or was
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Speaker 1: she trying to take a picture off her killer Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut four. So the camera's off
46:54
Speaker 1: for one second. In your opinion, what does that tell
46:59
Speaker 1: you is happening on this phone? It appears the phone's
47:03
Speaker 1: being moved, and the camera's activating in the background to
47:07
Speaker 1: see if it would recognize somebody's face that would unlock it.
47:11
Speaker 1: So the phone is attempting to face onlocks. Correct, Yes, sir,
47:14
Speaker 1: that's what it appears. But you're just testified that after
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Speaker 1: eighty nine thirty one the phone never unlocked. Correct. Correct.
47:23
Speaker 1: If that camera and see Maggie Murdoll's face, what would
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Speaker 1: you expect to happen. I would expect for it to unlock.
47:29
Speaker 1: Let's keep going, and this is at time five thirty two.
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Speaker 1: What do you see there, sir? It shows the end
47:34
Speaker 1: time for orientation portrait, which means it was ending in
47:38
Speaker 1: that orientation. So again, at that time, would it be
47:43
Speaker 1: your opinion that phone was holding somebody's hand, Yes, sir.
47:47
Speaker 1: To Robert Crispin, it brings up, It causures up the
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Speaker 1: horrible image that Maggie may have been trying to take
47:56
Speaker 1: a quick photo of Paul's killer before she herself was murdered,
48:02
Speaker 1: or that someone was using that phone to actually open
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Speaker 1: the phone up by putting it up to her face,
48:11
Speaker 1: but it would not unlock. Robert Crispin, I don't buy
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Speaker 1: the she was getting ready to take a photo of
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Speaker 1: her killer. I think it's more to the fact that
48:21
Speaker 1: the phone was in the hand and they tried to
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Speaker 1: FaceTime or not FaceTime, but do the facial recognition to
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Speaker 1: open the phone, and because it happened so quick and
48:29
Speaker 1: things were flowing so much, he stopped. But let me
48:33
Speaker 1: go back just a little bit, and let's go back
48:35
Speaker 1: to day one and two of this trial. And you know,
48:37
Speaker 1: we were talking about motive, and I know we were
48:39
Speaker 1: talking about the homicide, but let's go back to the
48:41
Speaker 1: motive for just a minute. Do you remember what they
48:43
Speaker 1: talked about when the detective said that they were doing
48:46
Speaker 1: the trash and they were going through the trash. Do
48:48
Speaker 1: you remember that. Do you remember one of the items
48:51
Speaker 1: specifically that the detective said that he removed from the trash?
48:56
Speaker 1: Where was that receipt from? Remember the Gucci receipt for
48:59
Speaker 1: twelve something my dollars? Yes? Do you remember them talking
49:02
Speaker 1: about them? So now let's go back. Let's talk about
49:04
Speaker 1: some deleted phone calls. In a case like this that
49:08
Speaker 1: has so many twists and turns in so much craziness,
49:11
Speaker 1: you know as much as I do from being a
49:13
Speaker 1: prosecutor and a former cop, that it just doesn't stop
49:18
Speaker 1: don't be surprised if somebody comes forward and says that
49:22
Speaker 1: she was his mitress. I'm not saying that's what's going on,
49:26
Speaker 1: but that clearly talks about or explains some deleted phone calls.
49:31
Speaker 1: It really does, you know. I'm thinking about that as well.
49:36
Speaker 1: And every time they defense conjures up a happy marriage,
49:42
Speaker 1: how wonderful their life was. I got back to what
49:44
Speaker 1: Alex Murdoch said yesterday. We heard him say when he
49:48
Speaker 1: was asked, how is your marriage? He goes well, as
49:51
Speaker 1: good as it could be. Rumors of mistresses and more
49:56
Speaker 1: have been floating around the courthouse since I got here,
50:02
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean it's true. So far, no mistress,
50:07
Speaker 1: no hooker, no girlfriend, no sweetheart has come into that courtroom.
50:13
Speaker 1: And until they come into that courtroom, in my mind,
50:17
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. All that matters. It's what this jury hears.
50:22
Speaker 1: And people have come up and told me, oh, he
50:24
Speaker 1: did this and he dated her, and that doesn't mean
50:27
Speaker 1: the hill of beans unless it comes in in front
50:30
Speaker 1: of the jury. Otherwise it's just gossip. It's just gossip
50:35
Speaker 1: at the local restaurant. It means nothing until it can
50:37
Speaker 1: be But one think that the prosecution HAPs on asking
50:40
Speaker 1: us to listen to They keep on asking us to
50:43
Speaker 1: listen to the fact of the stuff that perhaps Alec
50:46
Speaker 1: doesn't tell us or we don't hear from him. And
50:49
Speaker 1: in that statement is very telling as well, because you
50:52
Speaker 1: hear a lot of language, and I know you've got
50:54
Speaker 1: some fabulous behavioral psychologist on board too. They can talk
50:58
Speaker 1: about this, but you know, hear about this wonderful marriage,
51:01
Speaker 1: but you don't hear the word love. And you don't
51:03
Speaker 1: hear the word love about Maggie when he's talking and
51:06
Speaker 1: crying about her. You don't hear love the word love
51:09
Speaker 1: when he's talking about Paul, And that just struck me
51:12
Speaker 1: as odd when you're going through several interviews more that
51:16
Speaker 1: we've listened to him talk about you know, what happened
51:19
Speaker 1: that night for I think close to an hour now
51:21
Speaker 1: in the two interviews combined, and we never hear the
51:24
Speaker 1: word love, not once. So that's something that I've sort
51:27
Speaker 1: of listened to in my like Layman's psychological profile of
51:32
Speaker 1: what's going on, you know, and and her son want
51:34
Speaker 1: to I want to follow up on what you just said.
51:36
Speaker 1: When people ask me, oh, how are the twins or
51:40
Speaker 1: how's David, it's really simple. They're my whole world. And
51:45
Speaker 1: I've been wondering why Alex Murdog never displayed that about
51:50
Speaker 1: either Paul nor Maggie. But I talked it off to
51:53
Speaker 1: him not being emotional or effusive about his marriage. I mean,
51:59
Speaker 1: what do you make of that. Let's go to Robert Crispin. Okay, Crispin,
52:03
Speaker 1: you probably don't gush about the love of your life
52:07
Speaker 1: as much as she may wish. But where's the love
52:11
Speaker 1: for Pete's sake? Well, clearly these detectives saw that. These
52:15
Speaker 1: are trained, seasoned investigators, homicide investigators. Trust me, they're not
52:21
Speaker 1: saying it out loud, but every single one of those
52:23
Speaker 1: people sitting in that car, and I tell you I've
52:25
Speaker 1: been there, I've been in no seats, and I've listened.
52:27
Speaker 1: There is no love here. And who goes and stays
52:29
Speaker 1: for an entire summer at their ocean house and your
52:33
Speaker 1: husband stays at the ranch house. That just doesn't happen
52:38
Speaker 1: in a marriage of true love. You miss your spouse,
52:41
Speaker 1: you need to be together. We go ahead, doctor did Well,
52:44
Speaker 1: there's something that really hasn't come up, and that is
52:46
Speaker 1: Maggie actually did work at the law firm as a
52:50
Speaker 1: bookkeeper at least occasionally. Now, what does that conjure up?
52:54
Speaker 1: She may have actually found where some of these funds
52:57
Speaker 1: were being mishandled, and she may have talked to Alex
53:00
Speaker 1: about that. That would certainly be another motive. You know,
53:03
Speaker 1: doctor Dupree, when I was out here many many months
53:06
Speaker 1: ago and you and I were together investigating the Mallory
53:10
Speaker 1: Beach homicide by a drunk boating because of Paul Murdog,
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Speaker 1: that is exactly what was being discussed way back then,
53:22
Speaker 1: that Maggie got wind of what was happening, and she
53:25
Speaker 1: was consulting divorce attorneys and then all of a sudden
53:28
Speaker 1: she ends up dead. Guys, For those of you just
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Speaker 1: joining us here at Fox Nations Series six, sem I
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Speaker 1: want you to listen to a bombshell that just went down.
53:36
Speaker 1: It's our cut one. It's a snapchat video son Paul
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Speaker 1: Murdog took and the kennel there at Moselle Hunting Lodge,
53:46
Speaker 1: and you can clearly hear in the background his mother
53:50
Speaker 1: Maggie soon to be murdered, and who we believed to
53:52
Speaker 1: be Alex Murdag at the murder scene. Take a listen, please,
54:31
Speaker 1: you can see Alex Murdock during that and getting red,
54:35
Speaker 1: shaking his head back and forth. There were other times
54:38
Speaker 1: in testimony today that even from where I sat and
54:41
Speaker 1: you could tell he was agitated and moving around in
54:43
Speaker 1: his seat. I want to go back to that bombshell
54:47
Speaker 1: that happened in the court when we've been waiting for it.
54:49
Speaker 1: Would you see Alex Murdock. Would you hear Alex Murdog?
54:52
Speaker 1: We heard him loud and clear, An Emerson. Now, what's
54:55
Speaker 1: the defense gonna say that wasn't him. Well, we didn't
54:58
Speaker 1: hear that, but we definitely heard. There is a We're
55:01
Speaker 1: expecting another witness to take the stand, and that's the
55:04
Speaker 1: person who received that snapchat. I mean, if certainly we'll
55:08
Speaker 1: have an impact. I think Rogan Gibson. We think we're
55:12
Speaker 1: going to be hearing from him shortly to get called
55:15
Speaker 1: up for the state. The receiver of that snapchat. Now
55:18
Speaker 1: the snapchat, what you hear is them talking about something
55:21
Speaker 1: that that happened to the dog's tail. I mean, you
55:24
Speaker 1: see this tail and it's all chewed up, and you
55:27
Speaker 1: hear Maggie in the background say something to the effect of, oh,
55:30
Speaker 1: it's a guinea being like a kinney hen But then
55:33
Speaker 1: you have two seat mail voices, one which appears to
55:37
Speaker 1: be holding onto the tail, which would be Paul, and
55:40
Speaker 1: then another voice which seemed to be a little bit
55:42
Speaker 1: further away. And the first one goes, it's a chicken.
55:44
Speaker 1: I think it was Paul, and then the second one
55:45
Speaker 1: goes chicken. So you hear this going back and forth
55:48
Speaker 1: a little bit, and you can hear the difference of
55:50
Speaker 1: where those voices are, so it feels very obvious. The
55:53
Speaker 1: only place they've got to go is to argue that
55:55
Speaker 1: that is not Alex Murdock. And if it's not him,
55:57
Speaker 1: then who the hey is it? We wait as the
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Speaker 1: evidence unfolds. Goodbye friend,