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- 0:00Today we're talking about a topic that so many adults with
- 0:05attachment and relational trauma often carry, and carry it
- 0:10quietly, I think, and that is trauma bonding.
- 0:13We're going to talk about what are the signs that you may be in
- 0:17a trauma bond. More specifically, by the end of
- 0:20this episode, you're going to understand what a trauma bond
- 0:23is, how it forms from an insecure attachment style, and
- 0:28how your nervous system adapts to that attachment style.
- 0:33We're clearly going to cover the signs that you may be in a
- 0:36trauma bond and we're going to take the additional step and
- 0:39start talking about how do we begin breaking the cycle and
- 0:43begin healing. Welcome to trauma free
- 0:46relationship. I'm your host, Tom Philp, and
- 0:49I've been working for years with adults who struggle with
- 0:52relational and attachment trauma to regain trust in themselves
- 0:56and others so that they can begin to experience a safe and
- 1:00secure relationship. Let's get started,
- 1:15OK? As I mentioned in the opener,
- 1:18we're going to talk about signs that you're in a trauma bond
- 1:22today or trauma bond symptoms. Let's define what it is first,
- 1:26because I do think there's some confusion out there.
- 1:29For a long time, I, I, I struggled with this term, not
- 1:35because I didn't see the clinical manifestations of it
- 1:39in, in the couples that I were seeing, but because I think it
- 1:44had been generalized, watered down and misused and the term
- 1:49even abused in the popular culture.
- 1:52So let's just be clear. So the, we're all on the same
- 1:54page here. What is a trauma bond?
- 1:57A trauma bond. It's a strong emotional
- 2:01attachment formed through a cycle of intermittent reward and
- 2:06intermittent harm, whether it's physical, emotional, or sexual
- 2:12harm in a relationship. But here's the key that because
- 2:18the reward and the the harm are intermittent, we know that
- 2:23that's some of the strongest kind of association you can get.
- 2:27And I'll explain that a little bit.
- 2:29But because of the intermittent harm that can be done, the key
- 2:33is that there is just enough to hook the person.
- 2:37And we're going to talk about what that hook means, but
- 2:40there's just enough warmth, or there's just enough kindness, or
- 2:43there's just enough affection to keep you on the hook, meaning to
- 2:48keep you in the relationship. And So what happens is even
- 2:54though the connection is never stable enough for you to feel
- 2:58safe, there's enough of a hook to keep you in the relationship.
- 3:03So often times it can begin to feel like a roller coaster ride.
- 3:08We have these really high highs where things are great, we're so
- 3:11connected, we're so in love. And then we have these really
- 3:14low lows where it just feels like I'm losing myself or my
- 3:19sanity in this relationship. So think about a trauma bond as
- 3:25the attachment system that's trying to survive in a
- 3:29threatening or unstable relationship, not one that's
- 3:33able to thrive in that relationship.
- 3:37And So what happens is your brain learns that that closeness
- 3:41gives me relief when it's there, and distance creates panic when
- 3:48it's there. And if I just do more, if I try
- 3:52harder, fix more, work harder, be more compliant, then I'll be
- 3:59a good version of myself and we'll finally have peace in this
- 4:03relationship. And So what happens is your
- 4:06nervous system actually becomes hooked on the unpredictable
- 4:11cycle. Not not because it's weak in any
- 4:14way, but because the cycle has been going on long enough that
- 4:19this has become what it knows. This has become the norm, and
- 4:24because we're wired for connection, there's enough of a
- 4:28bond that your attachment drive keeps going back hoping for the
- 4:34end result that it then never seems to really get, and so the
- 4:39connection ends up being mixed with fear.
- 4:43Things are great right now. I feel wonderful, but now I
- 4:46dread when they turn the other way.
- 4:49And so it's really important to understand that a lot of this
- 4:52comes out of inconsistent or insecure attachment.
- 4:58Think about a parent and a child where the parent might give lots
- 5:03of love to the child, maybe for a good grade they made, but then
- 5:08withdraw their love from the child when they did something
- 5:12disapproving to the parent. Maybe they got AB.
- 5:16And so now all of a sudden the parent, not just that they might
- 5:19be disappointed or that they might want to talk through, oh,
- 5:23how could you do better last time?
- 5:24Did you try your best? Well, if you did, that's OK.
- 5:27It could be a hard subject, whatever that is.
- 5:30But rather they literally withdraw their love.
- 5:33And so the child learns that if I do the right things, I can get
- 5:36what I need. If I do the wrong things, I
- 5:39clearly won't get what I need. But I can never predict what the
- 5:44right things are. It seems like I'm fighting a
- 5:48war, but I don't know the rules, and I certainly had no say in
- 5:53this game. A game is probably a better word
- 5:56than a war. So you're playing this game, but
- 5:59nobody told you the rules. And so you're kind of just
- 6:02making this up as you go along because it seems like everybody
- 6:05else, your partner knows the rules, but you don't.
- 6:08And you, you're hitting a moving target.
- 6:10So before it was over here to the left and I could hit that.
- 6:13And OK, now my brains made a model of that.
- 6:15I know how to hit that target. Oh, wait, what's this?
- 6:18What's this over here? Why did it move?
- 6:19How come it's on the right side now?
- 6:21And this can be crazy making for some people, but it can be sort
- 6:25of addictive to your nervous system, meaning your nervous
- 6:30system looks for patterns and your nervous system looks for
- 6:34predictability. And your nervous system is wired
- 6:37first and foremost for safety. So it is constantly looking for,
- 6:43how do I get safe with this person?
- 6:46And because your attachment drive never goes away, we're
- 6:49always trying to connect with our partner.
- 6:53But when that connection is unstable, when it's mixed with
- 6:57fear and fright as opposed to security and safety, then your
- 7:03nervous system is going to adapt to that.
- 7:06And when it does, it almost shows up as if it's like some
- 7:11kind of an addiction. The relationship almost becomes
- 7:14like some kind of an addiction. There's been research that has
- 7:18shown that abusive relationships, often times the
- 7:24partner that is abused in the relationship will actually do
- 7:30things to provoke the other partner in an effort to get it
- 7:34over with. So instead of holding on to the
- 7:37dread of not knowing when their partner is going to explode, not
- 7:41knowing when their partner might turn that anger into violence,
- 7:45they actually do things in some ways to provoke it.
- 7:48Because then once it it's over, the dread goes away.
- 7:53Now, I'm not saying every trauma bond relationship is a
- 7:56physically abusive relationship, but some of them certainly can
- 8:00be. And often times from an
- 8:02emotional standpoint, it can certainly feel like that.
- 8:06But let me say, if you are in in any kind of an abusive
- 8:10relationship, it's extremely important to go and get help.
- 8:14You need to have a community of people that can help you be able
- 8:18to extract yourself from that relationship because it is toxic
- 8:22and you will never win. You will never get that person
- 8:26to love you the way you need to be loved.
- 8:29You will not wake them up enough, you will not.
- 8:32They will not have some experience of you or you cannot
- 8:35love them enough to treat you the way you deserve to be
- 8:39treated. And so if you are in that kind
- 8:42of a relationship, specifically a a toxic kind of physical,
- 8:48mental or emotional abusive relationship, it's very
- 8:52important you reach out to a community because it will take a
- 8:55community for you to be able to extract yourself.
- 8:57But safety is number 1. You have to get yourself safe.
- 9:00And let me say, if this is a triggering episode for anybody,
- 9:04you do not have to continue listening.
- 9:06I'm not here to make things worse.
- 9:08I'm here to help. So if you start to feel yourself
- 9:11getting very triggered, please turn this off.
- 9:13Reach out to other mental health practitioners if you have your
- 9:17own therapist or a family member or somebody that can help you
- 9:20sort of re regulate yourself if that's the case.
- 9:24So that's a lot about how trauma bonds are created.
- 9:29They're, they're created through a very inconsistent
- 9:31relationship. It feels like things are, you
- 9:35know, red hot when we're in love and our passion is just burning
- 9:38for each other. And then it goes to almost this,
- 9:41this hate and rage type of feelings where things are as as
- 9:47bad as they feel like they can get.
- 9:50And it's that back and forth that up and down, that swinging
- 9:53left, swinging right they can that can cause your nervous
- 9:56system to almost crave those ups and downs because that's what
- 10:01it's becoming adaptive to. Let's talk about signs that you
- 10:07may be in a trauma bond. And some of these I may have
- 10:11already actually tipped us off to, but we're going to click
- 10:14through these anyway. So one of the first ones is you
- 10:18might feel addicted to the other person.
- 10:21For example, maybe you can't stop thinking about them.
- 10:24You crave their approval or your emotions swing on their
- 10:29behavior, right? As I said before, there's this
- 10:32kind of addictive quality to them, right?
- 10:35And and even though you might dread when your partner is upset
- 10:40or pulls away or gets extremely angry, those cycles that couples
- 10:46can get caught in, what you find is that you're actually
- 10:49ruminating on your partner, ruminating and obsessing to a
- 10:53degree on their behavior. You become extremely hyper
- 10:57vigilant to anything that might set them off, right down to
- 11:01whether you can see their pupil dilated in the rye as to whether
- 11:05they're angry or not angry. And I'm not making that up.
- 11:09I've had people tell me that before that they become so
- 11:12attuned to their partner for fear of when and what might
- 11:16trigger them, that they're literally looking right into
- 11:19their pupils to try to discern what is it that might trigger my
- 11:22partner that brings about this very thing that I'm trying to
- 11:26avoid the most. So if there is sort of this
- 11:29addictive quality that you're constantly thinking about them,
- 11:33you're constantly trying to figure out how to please them,
- 11:36and you're constantly looking and and hyper vigilant to their
- 11:40behavior, then that might be a sign that you're in a trauma
- 11:44bond bond. Another sign is is you hold on
- 11:48to the potential more than the reality.
- 11:53Let me rephrase that. Often times you think about,
- 11:57well, if we could just get here, it would be great.
- 12:00If we could just do this, it would be wonderful if my partner
- 12:04would just love me this way, man, this would be the best
- 12:07relationship I ever have. But you're not really settling
- 12:12in to the reality of what you're living every single day.
- 12:17So often times, as I mentioned before, there's a hook.
- 12:21Your partner will do something after they get mad and scream at
- 12:25you or after they withdraw and and freeze you out for days at a
- 12:29time or whatever that cycle might look like.
- 12:32Then all of a sudden they're extremely into you.
- 12:35All of a sudden they might what I've heard in the culture now
- 12:38referred to as love bomb you. So all of a sudden they're
- 12:41cozying up to you, they're sweet as possible, they're doting on
- 12:44you, they're showering with you with love and affection.
- 12:47And you're like, Oh my gosh, if it could just be this way all
- 12:50the time, this relationship would be perfect.
- 12:53But then at some point that begins to weigh.
- 12:56But that becomes the key, the hook, if you will, because
- 13:00that's what your brain longs for and that's what your brain
- 13:02remembers. But that's only a small
- 13:06percentage of the time. The rest of the time you're
- 13:08living in this dread or this anxiety and, and you're, you're
- 13:14dealing with the fallout of what's happening versus those
- 13:19good times when you're able to get what you need.
- 13:21So you're holding on to the potential more than more than
- 13:25really acknowledging the reality.
- 13:28Another sign you may be in a trauma bond is you minimize or
- 13:32rationalize the harm for harmful behavior.
- 13:36And, and this is absolutely crucial because I don't know
- 13:40anybody on earth that's ever worked with an abusive couple
- 13:44before and how the abuser, not always the female, but certainly
- 13:50probably more often than not, is the female.
- 13:52They justify the behavior, they minimalize the behavior.
- 13:59They call the police, the police show up.
- 14:01Ma'am, was he hitting on you? No, no, no, no.
- 14:03We were just have an argument. I was that much at fault as he
- 14:06was. No, no, no, it's not his fault.
- 14:09They rationalize and they minimize.
- 14:11They explain it away or they blame themselves or they say,
- 14:17well, you know, I, I did this to provoke them.
- 14:19It's really my fault. They take the blame.
- 14:21They fall on the sword, so to speak.
- 14:23And so, you know, they, they end up excusing the behavior of the
- 14:28partner as opposed to again, dealing with the reality of
- 14:34what's really happening in the relationship.
- 14:38Another sign you may be in a trauma bond.
- 14:40You feel intense fear of losing them, even when you're hurting.
- 14:46I'm going to say that again because that's really important.
- 14:48There's a part of you that feels hurt by them, does not like the
- 14:52way you treat them, and yet you can clearly recognize there's
- 14:56another part of you that feels absolutely scared to death of
- 15:01losing them. So much so that you modify your
- 15:04behavior to make sure you don't push them away.
- 15:08Because what feels more scary to you is for them to actually turn
- 15:13and walk away, to leave you, to abandon you, to reject you.
- 15:18That would bring up a trauma wound far greater than the fear
- 15:23that you feel for not getting it right for them.
- 15:26Or the fear that we might go through another cycle.
- 15:28Or the fear that they're going to get angry or upset or
- 15:31withdraw their love. Or that they might say the most
- 15:35unspeakable things to you and call you horrible names.
- 15:40Because these things can happen too.
- 15:41So the fear of that is real for you, but the trauma, fear of
- 15:47actually having them leave and abandoned you and feeling
- 15:50rejected is even worse. So you find yourself modifying
- 15:55your behavior so as you you can minimize the fear, but you're
- 16:01really what you're minimizing is the potential for them to walk
- 16:04away. Another sign is that yourself
- 16:08worth may be tied to the relationship.
- 16:13In other words, you might feel small or invisible or unheard,
- 16:17unseen, and yet you're terrified to be able to walk away.
- 16:23So it's not just that we're caught on this cycle and you can
- 16:27actually separate yourself from the relationship and you can go,
- 16:32I'm a good person or you know, this just isn't working for me.
- 16:37If you could do that in the 1st place, you probably would have
- 16:39left by now or you would have set a very clear barrier and
- 16:44boundary for your partner if this ever happens again, right?
- 16:48I'm done, I'm out of here. And there's zero question that
- 16:52your partner knows you're serious about that.
- 16:53It's not an empty threat because it's not something that you've
- 16:57repeated multiple times and they know you will enough to know
- 17:00that when you set a boundary, you will stick to it.
- 17:03So it's not those issues, it's rather so much of your identity
- 17:08is wrapped up into how your partner sees you and yourself.
- 17:12Worth can often tie to the relationship another another
- 17:19sign that you may have a being a trauma bond.
- 17:22You cycle through the rupture and repair without any true
- 17:25accountability or healing. This is why I talk so much about
- 17:30repairing ruptures and relationships because I just see
- 17:34so much damage done to relationships when they've spent
- 17:37years in ruptures but never in repair or rarely ever in repair.
- 17:44And So what happens is the couple will have these ruptures,
- 17:47but there's never any updating of the learning.
- 17:50There's never any growth together as a couple.
- 17:53There's never any updating their their maps of each other, likes,
- 17:58dislikes, triggers, effective communications.
- 18:03They just stay stuck in this same trauma cycle that they
- 18:07repeat over and over and over. And more importantly, there's
- 18:11never accountability either one partner or the other.
- 18:14And certainly if, if one partner is more aggressive and, and
- 18:19creates more unsafety in the relationship through a variety
- 18:23of means, whatever that might be, being able to come back and
- 18:26take accountability for that and being able to understand the
- 18:30impact to the partner is crucial for being able to make those
- 18:35repairs. And that's really extremely
- 18:38important because when that happens, then the partner feels
- 18:43like there's some kind of healing and it can almost just
- 18:46wash, wash some of the wounds away.
- 18:49We don't hold on to wounds when we've made an effective repair.
- 18:53Now, sometimes it might need multiple repairs because a wound
- 18:56is so big or deep, but we typically are able to sort of
- 19:00wash that out of our system. And we go on.
- 19:03And part of that is because our brain says, 0.
- 19:07We can do this. I feel more hopeful to us as a
- 19:10couple now because we know how to repair these disruptions when
- 19:13they happen. My partner can come back and
- 19:16apologize and take responsibility and
- 19:18accountability for their part. I can do it for my part as well.
- 19:22And we can actually dig deep and have the conversation about what
- 19:26really happened so that we actually understand what really
- 19:30got triggered for us so that it doesn't feel like we're just
- 19:33constantly fighting over The Dirty dishes or whose turn it is
- 19:37to cook dinner or, you know, whatever small little thing
- 19:40might trigger us in the moment. So being able to break that
- 19:44cycle of rupture without the repair and having effective
- 19:49repairs could create a trauma bond over over time for sure.
- 19:53And and then finally leaving feels impossible or dangerous.
- 19:59And I'm going to repeat that again because that's really
- 20:01crucial as well. If you thought about leaving,
- 20:04but it scares you to leave because of what your partner
- 20:07might do, or it feels absolutely impossible or there's nothing in
- 20:12your body that you sense would feel safer and better, then
- 20:17that's a really good sign that there may be something pretty,
- 20:21pretty serious going on in your relationship.
- 20:23You might be in a trauma bond. OK, let's shift gears.
- 20:28So we've outlined there, if you were counting, those were seven
- 20:32different symptoms of a trauma bond.
- 20:36Let's start talking about what happens if you can say yes to
- 20:41some of those. Now, I, I don't have a rule out
- 20:46here like we do in the the DSM, which is the Diagnostic
- 20:51Statistical Manual. It's how we tell whether
- 20:54somebody is has a clinical disorder of some kind.
- 20:58And the rule out simply is, for example, somebody has
- 21:02depression. There may be 11 signs or
- 21:05symptoms of depression of major clinical depression in the DSM.
- 21:10And if somebody can say yes to six or seven of those 11, then
- 21:14you can diagnose them with that. That's what a rule out is.
- 21:17So you they can check mark a certain number of sessions of,
- 21:22excuse me, a certain number of symptoms of a list of sentence.
- 21:26And if they have enough of those, they break the threshold
- 21:29to be diagnosed as that. You're probably thinking to
- 21:33yourself, like right now, wow, that seems like an incredibly
- 21:36inefficient system. And you're right, it is, but
- 21:40there's advantages and then there's some huge disadvantages
- 21:43to that. But this is the system that we
- 21:45have as therapist right now in our lives in at least North
- 21:51America here and, and, and parts of the Western world that would
- 21:56that we have to deal with. So regardless of whether it's
- 21:58great or not great, that's it. I don't want you to think, and I
- 22:01say all this because I don't want you to think.
- 22:03Well, if I say yes to three of these, but no to 4, then I'm
- 22:07ruled out. No, I think you take it on a
- 22:09point by point basis. So if you say yes to any of
- 22:12these, then use that as a launching point to just sort of
- 22:17look at your relationship and look at you in your
- 22:19relationship. I'm not going to go so far as to
- 22:22say that you are definitively in a trauma bond because I wouldn't
- 22:25know that unless I saw you in my coaching programming and
- 22:29actually really sort of assess that for myself.
- 22:32But you know, that's for you to evaluate and for you to decide.
- 22:36But, but I just want you to know there's not sort of a a rule out
- 22:40here. So if you check a certain number
- 22:42of boxes of these seven symptoms, well then definitely
- 22:45I'm going to trauma bond or definitely not.
- 22:47That's sort of I want you just to look at that and reflect on
- 22:50that and then seek others to help you evaluate that if you
- 22:55need to. All right, with that being said,
- 22:58what are some things that we can do to to actually lessen the
- 23:04roller coaster ride in our relationship?
- 23:07If it feels like there is this extreme relationship between the
- 23:15reward and the harm, right? How can we lessen that cycle and
- 23:20certainly lessen the the harm side of it for sure.
- 23:24One of the things I think you can do is try to reduce the
- 23:28intensity of what's going on. So how can you talk to your
- 23:32partner about ways that you can communicate that can just lower
- 23:37the temperature. So instead of trying to, to, to
- 23:42leave the relationship altogether or reduce the
- 23:45relationship, I, I need to move out or not spend time, whatever.
- 23:49How can you effectively come together with your partner and
- 23:51collaborate if they're willing to?
- 23:54Can we start lowering the intensity, lowering the
- 23:57emotional intensity in our communications?
- 24:01And so I would start by if it gets too intense, that maybe one
- 24:06of you has a code word, maybe you can say, you know, bananas
- 24:10to each other and that's a, that's a sign to take a break,
- 24:14to take a time out. There's nothing wrong with adult
- 24:17times out time outs. And part of the value of that is
- 24:21if things start to get too intense, 1 is it can certainly
- 24:25trigger the trauma bond cycle that happens, whatever that
- 24:27looks like in your relationship. But two, and most importantly,
- 24:31if you become flooded, if you go into fight or flight, nothing
- 24:35that happens in the conversation in those moments are going to be
- 24:38productive. Nothing, because you're
- 24:41literally not working in the part of your brain that would
- 24:44allow you guys to be able to truly hear each other, integrate
- 24:48the information, and be able to communicate to each other in a
- 24:52way that would facilitate any kind of repair.
- 24:55So there's nothing wrong with having a time out.
- 24:57So taking space between interactions, beginning to
- 25:01notice patterns between the two of you, breathing before
- 25:04responding to each other, writing instead of reacting.
- 25:09So I've heard what you said. I'm going to go and I'm going to
- 25:14text you a response or I'm going to write down a response and
- 25:17give you a note. I just need some time to process
- 25:20that. But I'm not walking away.
- 25:22I'm not shutting you out. I just need some time and I will
- 25:25formulate a response or I'll write it down and I'll come back
- 25:28and I'll read it for you. But anything that allows you to
- 25:32lower the intensity in the relationship, I think is going
- 25:37to be a good first step. If you guys do lower that
- 25:42intensity, then you can come back to these seven different
- 25:46symptoms or signs, if you will. And you can go back and look at
- 25:49those and go, OK, have I effectively lessened the impact
- 25:54of some of these? Are there still symptoms like
- 25:56what Tom's talking about still showing up even though we've
- 25:59reduced the intensity in our relationship?
- 26:02So trying to reduce the temperature of the conversations
- 26:07between the two of you is always a good place to start.
- 26:11If your partner's unwilling or thinks it's silly or dumb or
- 26:16doesn't want to do it, OK, that should tell you something about
- 26:19your partner and it should tell you something about your
- 26:21relationship right here and now. Don't excuse it, don't wish it
- 26:25away, don't say, well, I understand if or whatever.
- 26:28No, that tells you something about your relationship right
- 26:32here and right now. And so let yourself pay
- 26:35attention to that. If they agree, then you've got a
- 26:38collaborative effort there and you guys can can Google some.
- 26:42You can go on to a ChatGPT and look for some, you know, ways to
- 26:47lower the intensity and, and communications with my partners
- 26:50or whatever. And you can certainly look at
- 26:52some of, of the things that I've just talked about here, but but
- 26:55that that would be a really good first step.
- 26:58I think another good first step is how can you begin to build
- 27:02more of a internal safety for yourself during the lower times
- 27:11of the relationship, during that intermittent harm period,
- 27:14whatever that feels like, whether your partner attacks you
- 27:18with words and says awful, horrible things to you.
- 27:21You know, it's, it's hard to be in a relationship for that long
- 27:24and then not at some point internalize or believe some of
- 27:27those things. So even if your partner is not
- 27:30physically hurting you, they can very much do emotional damage
- 27:33with words. And I don't want to minimize
- 27:35that in any way. And so how can you build up more
- 27:38to more of an internal sense of security and safety in yourself
- 27:43until you decide that you need to take additional steps,
- 27:47whatever those might might be? First of all, I'd tell yourself
- 27:51I deserve safety in my relationship.
- 27:54I deserve safety. Period, end of statement, That's
- 27:57a full sentence. My feelings matter.
- 28:00Period, end of statement, that's a full sentence.
- 28:04Love doesn't require fear. Period, end of statement, full
- 28:08sentence. These things are absolutes and I
- 28:11will tell you, I don't care who you are, you deserve to be safe
- 28:14in your relationship. Your feelings do matter and love
- 28:19does not require fear. Love is about safety and it's
- 28:23about security. So being able to try to figure
- 28:26out how can you self soothe through those moments?
- 28:28How can you try to really internalize those phrases that I
- 28:32just talked about until you can make some other decisions of
- 28:36what you might need in your relationship?
- 28:39The last thing I want to talk about is if you do find that you
- 28:44are in a trauma bonded relationship, that is going to
- 28:48be really important for you to build an external network for
- 28:51yourself. You need other people to know
- 28:55what it's like to be in that relationship because trauma
- 29:00bonds, they deepen when they're in isolation.
- 29:04Secrets deepen when they're in isolation.
- 29:07When you bring things out into the light, that's when the
- 29:10healing can take take hold. And so I'm, I'm not saying that
- 29:16you need to go talk about this to everybody, but if you don't
- 29:19have a supportive network in your life, you need to build 1.
- 29:24If it's a friend, a person, a therapist, a pastor, I don't
- 29:29care who it is, reach out to somebody.
- 29:31Let somebody know what it's like for you to be in this
- 29:35relationship so that you begin to shine a light on what's
- 29:39happening. As I said before, your nervous
- 29:42system is building up almost like an addiction to this
- 29:45person. And it will take others and it
- 29:48will take a supportive network for you to be able to sort of
- 29:51break that addiction. OK, I hope you found this
- 29:56helpful today. I want to say again, if this was
- 29:59triggering in any way, because I know that we're we're kind of
- 30:04skirting the boundaries here of what what I hope a podcast can
- 30:08do, which is to be helpful without re traumatizing.
- 30:13This feels like today when we start talking about trauma
- 30:16bonding, we start talking about physical and mental emotional
- 30:18abuse. To me, it sort of gets along the
- 30:21edge of where a podcast ends and real help needs to take place.
- 30:26So if this was triggering to you in any way, please reach out.
- 30:29Please feel free to get help. My name is Tom Phillip and I am
- 30:34here to remind you to stay grounded, clear and connected.