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Assessing Iran as President Trump's Deadline Approaches · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: We are five hours away, less than five hours away
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  Speaker 1: from the deadline than President Trump has put to the
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  Speaker 1: Iranian regime to come to terms that are acceptable to him.
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  Speaker 1: In the United States, I begin the program with Congressman
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  Speaker 1: Dan Harrigan, representing North Carolina's tenth congressional District. Pat Harrigan
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  Speaker 1: excuse me himself a Green Beret, Pat, welcome. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I want to remind the audience who's new. You have
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  Speaker 1: twenty five years we had a regular congressman. It was
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  Speaker 1: then it was Mike Pompeo. That was Mike Gollagher, then
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  Speaker 1: it was Mike Waalts. Now we just got to have
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  Speaker 1: a warrior, so you're it. Pat. What did you make
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  Speaker 1: of Saturday's rescue?
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was incredible, Hugh. I mean, look, if
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  Speaker 2: you had any doubt about the capability of the United
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  Speaker 2: States military, whether it was after the Midnight Hammer operation
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  Speaker 2: from a year ago highlighting our deep strike, whether it
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  Speaker 2: was snatching and grabbing Maduro, the president of Venezuela out
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  Speaker 2: of his own country, There's just not much else that
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  Speaker 2: I think could really impress you other than the operation
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  Speaker 2: that happened on Saturday.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we spent.
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  Speaker 2: Every resource that we had to spend, an awful lot
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  Speaker 2: of money, but we brought that man home, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that that's instructive to the rest of the world.
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  Speaker 2: Number one, our capabilities. Number two our commitment to our people.
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  Speaker 2: We're never ever going to leave you behind.
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  Speaker 1: Pat Harri, you're a Green Beret, so you're part of
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  Speaker 1: that community special warfare. I am old enough to remember
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  Speaker 1: the disaster in the desert Egle Claw. You weren't even alive,
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  Speaker 1: I suspect, and everything changed. Then Jay Sock stood up
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  Speaker 1: and you began to operate together. Do you think any
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  Speaker 1: part of our special forces was left out of this thing?
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  Speaker 1: They're telling you about hundreds of people.
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  Speaker 2: Involved, no likely not at least within the tiers that
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  Speaker 2: are expected to operate on this type of an extremist operation.
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  Speaker 2: And so I do think that what you're seeing is
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  Speaker 2: you're seeing the symphony of the joint Force as it
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  Speaker 2: was intended to be utilized. And that's one of the
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  Speaker 2: things that I think President Trump doesn't get enough credit
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  Speaker 2: about over the last year is that, look, you know, hey,
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  Speaker 2: all these different military adventures that we've had in the
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  Speaker 2: last twenty five years that have not paid off for
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  Speaker 2: the United States of America at all, It's largely been
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  Speaker 2: because we fundamentally use the military in a way it's
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  Speaker 2: not designed to be used like we are not a
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  Speaker 2: protracted conflict force, which is one of the reasons why
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  Speaker 2: I've been so vocal about making sure that, Okay, whatever
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  Speaker 2: we're doing in Iran here, let's make sure we get
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  Speaker 2: out as quickly as we possibly can. Because the longer
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  Speaker 2: this goes on, the more perilous it becomes for the
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  Speaker 2: United States, the more difficult it becomes for us to
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  Speaker 2: define success, the easier it becomes for us to shift
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  Speaker 2: the mission, which is exactly what happened and led to
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  Speaker 2: the failures during the Global War on Terror. We don't
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  Speaker 2: want to see that repeated again.
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  Speaker 1: Congressman Pat Harrigan, I want to read to you President
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  Speaker 1: Trump's posts from this morning, which has got many people upset.
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  Speaker 1: The entirety of it. A whole civilization will die tonight,
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  Speaker 1: never to be brought back again. I don't want that
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  Speaker 1: to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we
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  Speaker 1: have a complete and total regime change where a different, smarter,
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  Speaker 1: and less radicalized mind prevails, who knows, maybe something revolutionarily
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  Speaker 1: wonderful can happen. Who knows? We will find out tonight
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  Speaker 1: one of the most important moments in the long and
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  Speaker 1: complex history of the world. Forty seven years of extortion,
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  Speaker 1: corruption and death will finally end. God bless the great
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  Speaker 1: American people of Iran. Now he's clearly talking about the
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  Speaker 1: last forty seven years, not the twenty five hundred years
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  Speaker 1: of Persian civilization. But you wouldn't know that from the
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  Speaker 1: online commentary today. Richman, what'd you make of that post
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  Speaker 1: and of the President's comments for the last week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, it's certainly got a lot of people, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're there, they're feathers or flittering out there. I think
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  Speaker 2: that there's a difference between what the President is intending
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  Speaker 2: to say and what the words are conveying to some folks,
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  Speaker 2: particularly those that don't know him. In no way, shape
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  Speaker 2: or form. Do I think that he's talking about the
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  Speaker 2: end of civilization. I think he's talking about the end
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  Speaker 2: of a way of life, and whether that was an
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  Speaker 2: authoritarian regime that has just doubled and tripled down on terrorism,
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  Speaker 2: the exportation of terrorism, choosing chaos over commerce, somebody that
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  Speaker 2: just has not been a responsible player in the world
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  Speaker 2: and saying, look, yeah, we're going to go after your
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  Speaker 2: power plants, We're going to go after your bridges. I
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  Speaker 2: think the President has been really really clear about that,
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  Speaker 2: and the way of life that you have today might
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  Speaker 2: not be the type of lifestyle that you end up
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  Speaker 2: having tomorrow, because those things are all dual use, and
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  Speaker 2: we know what that regime has chosen to do with
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  Speaker 2: the power that they produce, and the bridge is an
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  Speaker 2: infrastructure that they have, which is so the seeds of
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  Speaker 2: chaos and death across.
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  Speaker 1: All of the globe.
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  Speaker 2: So no, I think that the President has been clear.
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  Speaker 2: I wish he was a little bit more clear with
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  Speaker 2: his post earlier today. I think any type of ambiguity
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  Speaker 2: that you have at this stage of the game does
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  Speaker 2: need to be clarified by the administration. But I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people are freaking out making too much
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  Speaker 2: out out of what was said today purposely.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's impossible to post something that ends
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  Speaker 1: with God bless the great people of Iran and not
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  Speaker 1: understand it. Congressman Harrigan, can you remind people where the
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  Speaker 1: tenth Congressional district in North Carolina is? I want them
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  Speaker 1: to have a good fix on who you represent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, we're in central western North Carolina, just a
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  Speaker 2: little bit north of Charlotte, go all the way up
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  Speaker 2: to Winston Salem, and then I live out in Hickory
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  Speaker 2: out on the western side, which is where I am
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  Speaker 2: right now. It is a beautiful, lovely place to visit
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  Speaker 2: and live. Encourage everybody to check us out. And I'm very,
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  Speaker 2: very proud to represent the vibrant tenth district in North Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you've got a lot of veterans. North Carolina is
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  Speaker 1: a veteran heavy state. Of course, you got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of active duty in North Carolina as well. What do
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  Speaker 1: they think about the last forty days where they were on.
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  Speaker 2: I think overall people understand that it was likely inevitable
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  Speaker 2: that it needed to happen at some point. I think
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  Speaker 2: mowing the lawn with Iran is something that has unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: just kind of become an expectation of what we're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to do to deal with that radical Islamist regime. However,
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  Speaker 2: I think that all global War on Terror veterans are
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  Speaker 2: very much adamantly against boots on the ground, like I
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  Speaker 2: have been from the very beginning here. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: one thing to wage in air war in a campaign
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  Speaker 2: to kind of suppress the regime and push them off
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  Speaker 2: for another five years or ten years until we got
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  Speaker 2: to go mow the lawn again. We certainly do not
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  Speaker 2: want them to have a nuclear weapon. That's one of
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  Speaker 2: the non negotiable red lines that exists here. But I
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  Speaker 2: think we've accomplished that and so and I think folks
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  Speaker 2: that our veterans understand that we have really succeeded in
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  Speaker 2: executing and accomplishing the main five objectives that we had
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  Speaker 2: from a military perspective. So, you know, I think all
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  Speaker 2: of us are.
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  Speaker 1: On the same page.
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  Speaker 2: Let's bank the win and let's get the heck out
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  Speaker 2: as quickly as we possibly can. That's in line with
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  Speaker 2: America's strategic interest long term.
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  Speaker 1: Now we've got one marine expeditionary unit on site in
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  Speaker 1: the Tripoli and another one on its way that we'll
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  Speaker 1: be there in another week. To mews, they can do
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  Speaker 1: a lot of different things. Do they take and hold
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  Speaker 1: one hundred miles of coast along the narrowest portion in
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  Speaker 1: the south the strait of hormones? Is that something that
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  Speaker 1: would be within their mission set?
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  Speaker 2: It's absolutely something that they're capable of. But capability is
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  Speaker 2: different than deciding to do it. And I have been
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  Speaker 2: someone that has been very vocal and adamant about not
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  Speaker 2: doing that. I think once you put boots on the ground,
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  Speaker 2: you have fundamentally changed the missions that we have and
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  Speaker 2: that's how you end up getting into the global War
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  Speaker 2: on terror right as well, we didn't achieve perfection with
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  Speaker 2: what we set out to achieve. We didn't settle for
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  Speaker 2: good enough, and we're now going to kind of create
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  Speaker 2: this new mission which creates second and third order consequences
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  Speaker 2: that you then have to deal with, and before you
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  Speaker 2: know it, you're lodged in a quagmire that does not
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  Speaker 2: need to happen in Iran, and I've been very vocal
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  Speaker 2: about making sure that we do not go boots on
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  Speaker 2: the ground. I think if boots on the ground are contemplated,
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  Speaker 2: it has and I've said this before, it's got to
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  Speaker 2: be going after nuclear material with special operations in out missions.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: Anything more than that.
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  Speaker 2: The President needs to make the case to the American people,
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  Speaker 2: and Congress has to be involved. Other than that, this
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  Speaker 2: thing's got to wrap up before sixty days and we
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  Speaker 2: need to get out here.
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  Speaker 1: All right now, Congressman, I just wanted for the record,
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  Speaker 1: the sixty to eight thing is the War Powers Act.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that unconstitutional. You and I can argue about
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  Speaker 1: that some other time, but I want to thank you
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  Speaker 1: for your time today. Congressman Pat Harriet. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: did they redraw your district lines in North Carolina? Are
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  Speaker 1: they the same ones? No?
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  Speaker 2: We yeah, they did in North Carolina, but they did
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  Speaker 2: not touch the Great tenth District in North Carolina. We're
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  Speaker 2: very happy about that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Good for you, Good for you, Congressman Pat Harrigan,
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  Speaker 1: go to another voice from the past. Fourteen we're five hours,
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  Speaker 1: less than five hours away from a deadline, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about the president's post. In a moment before the
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  Speaker 1: president posted that Ben Rhodes, failed novelist, former speechwriter, former
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  Speaker 1: deputy National security advisor to President Obama, attendee at Fidel
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  Speaker 1: Castro's funeral, and left wing metter neck on ms NOW
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  Speaker 1: posted the US government is run by a lunatic who
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  Speaker 1: is not in control of events and is resorting to violence,
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  Speaker 1: to straw to try Parenz unsuccessfully to impose control. I
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  Speaker 1: thought that embodied sunk costs. How do you assess that?
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  Speaker 6: Well, here's the thing, and I just I think that
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  Speaker 6: it does a disservice to the Congress of Vienna.
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  Speaker 5: To compare Ben Rhodes to Metterneck. But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 6: You this guy and his ILK spent their entire careers
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  Speaker 6: in Washington appeasing the Iranian regime that has instigated so
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  Speaker 6: much terrorism across the world and has tried to destroy
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  Speaker 6: our country for forty seven years.
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  Speaker 5: And you know they used our own tax dollars.
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  Speaker 6: Everybody remembers the famous air dropping of American cash that
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  Speaker 6: was put into that airplane by American taxpayers. We've got
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  Speaker 6: April fifteenth coming up. Everybody's familiar with what happens to
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  Speaker 6: them on April fifteenth. It was him and his ILK
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  Speaker 6: who gave them money that they could put into their
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  Speaker 6: missile program, that they could put into development of nuclear weapons.
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  Speaker 6: Their approach to Iran made this situation much much worse
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  Speaker 6: and has led us to where we are today. And
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what's going to happen at eight pm.
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  Speaker 6: We do know that this president Donald Trump is the
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  Speaker 6: kind of guy who follows through on threats if he
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  Speaker 6: needs to do it. But he's also the kind of
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  Speaker 6: guy who is interested in peace. He said he wants
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  Speaker 6: to cease fire. He says he just wants them to
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  Speaker 6: reopen the straight of Ormus and it seems like the
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  Speaker 6: kind of thing the Iranians could do if they wanted.
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  Speaker 5: And I think you maybe mentioned.
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  Speaker 6: That these sorts that be fifty two's are already in
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  Speaker 6: the air, and they're maybe six hours away in keeping
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  Speaker 6: with that eight pm deadline.
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  Speaker 5: So we're all watching the clock.
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  Speaker 6: We're all curious to what actually will happen. Of course,
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  Speaker 6: in President's truth social posts left, you know, a lot
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  Speaker 6: of a lot up in the air. Maybe he doesn't
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  Speaker 6: even know because it's based on how the Iranians respond
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  Speaker 6: to what he's asking for, which is simply reopened the strait.
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  Speaker 1: Let me reread that post for people. Our whole civilization
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  Speaker 1: will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However,
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  Speaker 1: now that we have complete and total regime change, where different,
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  Speaker 1: smarter and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful
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  Speaker 1: can happen. Who knows and caps we will find out
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  Speaker 1: tonight one of the most important moments in the long
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  Speaker 1: and complex history of the world. Forty seven years of extortion,
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  Speaker 1: corruption and death will finally end. God bless the great
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  Speaker 1: people of Iran. So if you want to read the
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  Speaker 1: first line and stop. You can say the president out
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  Speaker 1: of control. If you read the whole thing, you know
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  Speaker 1: he's talking about the civilization is the same as the
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  Speaker 1: regime in this post, and the regime is evil. That's
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  Speaker 1: how I read it, John, Do you read it differently?
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  Speaker 6: No, I read it the exact same way, Hugh. And
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  Speaker 6: obviously you know so much more to I mean, your
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  Speaker 6: audience is very familiar with your expertise on foreign policy,
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  Speaker 6: and it's it's unquestioned.
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  Speaker 5: And I read it the same way. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: one of the things.
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  Speaker 6: That I've read that that there's a ten point plan
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  Speaker 6: out there and there's there's maybe some sort of a
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  Speaker 6: movement toward a CeaseFire's being broken through the pakistanis you know,
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  Speaker 6: it's hard to know what to believe and what's being
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  Speaker 6: pushed that's maybe not accurate or is accurate. I think
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  Speaker 6: the bottom line is that there has been movement if
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  Speaker 6: you if you just listen to what the president has said,
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  Speaker 6: and hopefully cooler heads will prevail.
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  Speaker 5: Here and at eight pm there's an agreement.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, Hugh, another guy who I you know,
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  Speaker 6: you're in my mind, you really are one of the
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  Speaker 6: pre eminent voices in America on foreign policy, and you've
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  Speaker 6: you've studied this, you know so much about it. There's
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  Speaker 6: another guy I really likes. Name's Brian Hook, and we've
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  Speaker 6: had him on our show a couple of times.
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  Speaker 1: On Iran. He was the Iran guy and he won.
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  Speaker 6: He was and you know, one of the things he
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  Speaker 6: said is that in Iran, obviously the molas are in charge,
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  Speaker 6: but the IRGC controls a lot of the means of production,
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  Speaker 6: they control a lot of the commerce. And so he
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  Speaker 6: has said on numerous occasions that that if the IRGC
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  Speaker 6: is in a position where they feel like their ability
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  Speaker 6: to continue their control over commerce in that nation is jeopardized,
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  Speaker 6: they will come to a negotiating table.
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  Speaker 5: In a way that the Molas may not. And so
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  Speaker 5: that could be the situation we're in right now.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I mean, what the president is, who the
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  Speaker 6: President is talking to directly is a little bit of
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  Speaker 6: a mystery to us, but it's not a mystery to
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: the experts who are delivering, you know, these these briefings
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: to the president, who've been studying the region and who
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: know the players like the back of their hand. And
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: I just have to have confidence in the professionals who
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: are around him and guiding him at this moment here,
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: just hours before the eight pm.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Deadline, and you'll be covering and I think on tomorrow's
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: program as well. I hope. I do want to bring
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: up two things from today's program. March Madness is almost done.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: You got to go over to a comfortably smug to
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: his ex account to vote on the final four. And
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: a fine final four they are. I personally think Don
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Lemon's going to pull it out, but we'll see. And
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: then I had not read this story about the naked
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: burglar who has been terrorizing northern Virginia, but I hadn't
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: realized that Michael Duncan had been gone the same I
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: noticed you guys put two together today. I just wanted
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: the world to know they should go listen to smuck.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I think Duncan might be unhappy with you tomorrow. What
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: do you think?
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: You know what Duncan was back today? And he assures
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: me that was not him. We're gonna trust wait for
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: We're gonna wait for the ring camera footage to come out,
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: just to be certain.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: We do trust, but verify here.
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: I think he's in the clear this time, but you
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: never know. In the weeks ahead on the Hack Madness,
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: I agree with you. I think Don Lemon could be
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: the guy. If he's not, it might be Abby Phillip.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I just think she gets all this guy jennying backwater
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: very quickly. I don't know if you know Larry O'Connor.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Do you know Larry I do? Oh yeah, great, completely
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: insufferable today. Now just stay away, okay, completely insufferable wolverine
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: to stay very far away from him because that March
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Madness ended up with larryo connor with a head the
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: size of the Hindenburg. John Ashbrook, So the Ruthless Podcast
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: always good to see you. Follow him on exit, John Ashbrook,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: listen to the Ruthless Podcast, especially tomorrow. Duncan will be back.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: We'll hear what he has to say about being being
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: accused kinda of being the naked burglar in northern Virginia,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: he assures us. But I don't know. Stay tuned.
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: No man's words.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to America, Hugh hewittt we are two and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: a half hours, three and a half hours away from
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: the deadline that President Trump is given to Ron four
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and a half hours away from the deadline. I'm going
• 19:40
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• 19:42
  Speaker 1: resurrection many years. The show has been on the air
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: for twenty five in almost three quarters a year our
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: anniversary of July ten, and Dwayne Patterson has been the producer. Well,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: they're not the producer. He's been around for the whole time.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: He hadn't been producing much, but he's been around the
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: whole time. One of the things things he did do
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: is he started an after show after my when it
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: was just radio, when it wasn't television and radio and podcasting.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: When it's just a radio show, Dwayne would hang around
• 20:10
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• 20:13
  Speaker 1: would talk for an hour afterwards a couple times a week.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: That went away when we added the sale new channel
• 20:19
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• 20:23
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• 20:29
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• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the Dwayne's World in the place of the after show
• 20:39
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• 20:40
  Speaker 8: Well, it will basically be the Dwayne's World podcast that
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: has been pretty widely received in the public sphere.
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  Speaker 9: But one of the things I can do behind the
• 20:54
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• 20:57
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  Speaker 9: It's more of a clubhouse environment.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: It's a lot telling me and are there drunks coming back?
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  Speaker 8: There is a live element. There's a chat room so
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: that people can have live interaction. I can take calls
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: from time to time on a live show versus versus
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: one that we'd tape twice a week and it appears
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: the next morning.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Now, Plaine, when we started this and you started the
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: after show, marijuana wasn't legal everywhere. Now we're gonna have
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Major Bob Stone.
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: Major Bob does a lot of things.
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  Speaker 8: He may have consumed an adult beverage or a thousand
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  Speaker 8: in his lifetime, yes, but I.
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  Speaker 9: Don't think he does do I don't think he does dope.
• 21:42
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• 21:43
  Speaker 8: Major Bob is surging with pride because he's retired Air Force,
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: so after the events of last week.
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: He is just he is just you know, beside himself right.
• 21:54
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• 21:57
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  Speaker 9: It's like ninety nine cents for the first month, I.
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  Speaker 1: you're doing this Tuesdays and Thursday nights.
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  Speaker 8: Right Tuesdays and Thursdays, Jim Talent will be here. And
• 22:15
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  Speaker 8: pm Pacific, seven pm Eastern is Jim Talent and I
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• 22:36
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• 22:40
  Speaker 8: of what could be the last hour of the Iranian
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: regime as we know it. If this deadline is what
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: Donald Trump has promised, We're going to be basically counting
• 22:49
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• 22:52
  Speaker 8: if they cave, if a white flag emerges from Tayrn,
• 22:56
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• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, plan, I'm a mind about the relaunch of the
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• 23:03
  Speaker 9: We're calling that because we're calling Dwayne's World Dwaine's World.
• 23:06
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• 23:24
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• 24:02
  Speaker 8: What are the selling points to Dwayne's World is it's
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: a huge free zone.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: That's not true. I have often been on Dwayne's World before.
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  Speaker 9: You have been on a couple of times.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna take my suggestion and bring back Lilac's
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  Speaker 8: We are going to resurrect what's called the Magnificent Seven,
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  Speaker 9: Yes, we're gonna have some fun and lighten up.
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  Speaker 1: right back David Drucker's next. As we are on edge
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: inside the Beltway waiting for eight pm tonight. Although Admiral
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Cooper announced earlier today hundreds of one way drones launched,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: it targets all across Iran and so and Fridget's blown
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: up in the airport. Hit. Lots of stuff going on,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and we don't quite know about Harmini two point zero
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: worries concerns over his well being with any Iran that
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: are leaking out, stay tuned on Hugh Hewitt. I'm the
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• 25:07
  Speaker 1: News Channel. Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewett inside
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the Beltway. David Drucker is on assignment in Indiana. But David,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you're watching with great interest the approach of
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the a PM deadline. I should let you know be
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: fifty two have taken off from Air Force bases that
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: take some time to get to Iran, and Admiral Cooper
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: said hundreds of one way drones have already been dispatched
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: against Iran and targets today doesn't look like the escalation
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: to me. What do you hear? Well?
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  Speaker 10: I mean, I think the question is will the President
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: be pleased enough with the pace of negotiations or will
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: he want to find an off ramp that he can
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: describe as the pace of negotiations are moving satisfactory to
• 25:55
  Speaker 10: what I want out of Iran to forestall whatever this
• 25:59
  Speaker 10: massive hit will otherwise be. And I and I kind
• 26:03
  Speaker 10: of counch it that way, because you know, I think
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: what we've learned over the years is that the Iranian regime,
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: and I think what's left of it in their own
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: way their true believers, and they're messianic and and you know,
• 26:18
  Speaker 10: I think for them, it's all about maintaining the regime.
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: And the minute you capitulate to the Americans, you're not
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: maintaining the regime.
• 26:26
  Speaker 11: And the regime is in deep trouble.
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: And they have shown so far to do They've shown
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: themselves so far to do in a sense, everything that
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: we wouldn't do if we were the right.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: You're the chief political correspondent for the Dispatch. Dispatch very
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: talented team. I listened to for example, Sarah is hearing
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: David French talking about the birthright citizenship action at the
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court. You've got Steven Hayes Jonah over There is
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: there ever an editorial call about where everyone gets on
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: and talks about stuff, because I'm just curious what the
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: opinion at the Dispatch is about eight o'clock tonight.
• 27:02
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean, yeah, we get we actually we have
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: an editorial call every Tuesday, right, and we talk about
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: some of the biggest items in the news, how we
• 27:10
  Speaker 10: may want to approach it, what we're thinking about it,
• 27:13
  Speaker 10: and we're all on standby for this evening at eight pm,
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: and we're just sort of aware that things may happen
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: and we may have something to say about it, something
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: to write about it. So there's a possibility of a
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: dispatch live, which we you know, stream on the evenings
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: of major events like the State of the Union, and
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: like I think right after the Iran War began in
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: late February, we had a dispatch live.
• 27:37
  Speaker 11: So we are on standby and we were watching this.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: So the President's tweet today again, I want to read
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: it in its entirety. A whole civilization will die tonight,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: never to be brought back again. I don't want that
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: have complete and total regime change, we're different, smarter and
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: less radicalized minds prevail. Maybe something revolutionarily wonderful. What can happen?
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Who knows? In caps we will find out tonight one
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: of the most important moments in the long and complex
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: history of the world. Forty seven years of extortion, corruption
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and death will finally end. God bless the great people
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: of Iran. Now, when you read the entire thing, he
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: is not talking about total war. He's talking about destroying
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: the regime. Nevertheless, the reaction, I'm sure you've seen it
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: all day is though he called for war crimes.
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: Yeah, but he didn't.
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah, but that's because of the language he uses, right,
• 28:31
  Speaker 10: I mean, he talks about striking Iran with overwhelming force
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: and destroying the word he uses a civilization.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: I know there's a lot of Trump being Trump. Trump
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: just says these things, but he really means this thing.
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: But I think people reacting to the words he uses,
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: and for any other president, we would be judging him
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: by the words he uses and wouldn't even be having
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: the discussion about, well he means something else. I think
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: for a lot of people he means what he says,
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: and for other people it's you femisms and you know,
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: figures of speech to try and prove a point.
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: So you know, pick your fourth.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Dath Sarah, which he thinks about this because lawyers read
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the whole documents, especially originalists, and I can't believe you
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: can read the last line, God bless the great people
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: of Iran and think that he wants a war crime
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: tonight He's going to hit dual use things.
• 29:19
  Speaker 10: Now, I'm not saying in his mind. I'm not saying
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: in his mind he wants a war crime. But Trump
• 29:24
  Speaker 10: is very good at this. He says five different things
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: that can legitimately be heard five different ways by five
• 29:31
  Speaker 10: different people. And it's not necessarily my job to the
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: least defensive one. It's not necessarily my job to pick
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: the most defensive one.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: So you tell me, I read the whole thing, and
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: then I tell people what I think, which is I
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: think he's aiming to destroy the regime. Okay, Barack Revine,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Prime Minister of Pakistan Sharif. Diplomatic efforts for peaceful settlement
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: of the ongoing war in Middle East are progressing steadily,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: strongly and powerfully, with the potential lead to substantive results
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: in the near future to allow to to run its course.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I earnestly request President Trump to extend the deadline for
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: two weeks. Do you think he will?
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: I think it's very possible he will.
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: I think Trump likes to use maximalist language to push
• 30:13
  Speaker 10: things along in a way in which he can declare
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: victory even if we don't really have a substantive development.
• 30:22
  Speaker 10: And I think he's done that in a whole host
• 30:24
  Speaker 10: of diplomatic and domestic negotiations, and so it wouldn't surprise
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: me at all if we don't have an announcement that
• 30:32
  Speaker 10: the Irani regime has delivered as the president is ass
• 30:35
  Speaker 10: but that negotiates our negotiations. Excuse me, our proceeding a
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: pace such that he's going to give this more time
• 30:43
  Speaker 10: to play out.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Now. Pakistan is not among our closest allies. They were
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: never particularly helpful with the Taliban. They allowed the Taliban
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: to cross the border. Are we very trusting of the
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Pakistani government as a mediator?
• 30:57
  Speaker 11: Well, I hope, I hope not.
• 31:00
  Speaker 10: But sometimes in certain situations you use different mediators. I mean,
• 31:03
  Speaker 10: I think all presidents and all administrations have done that,
• 31:06
  Speaker 10: occasionally done the unorthodox. But I agree you don't want
• 31:09
  Speaker 10: to trust Pakistan. They have ulterior motives, but you know
• 31:13
  Speaker 10: they are in the neighborhood and they do have a
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: vested interest in stability in the neighborhood.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: All right, Crude oil up to one hundred and thirteen
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: dollars at barrel? What are you paying for it for gas?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: In Indiana? David Drucker.
• 31:27
  Speaker 11: Four plus.
• 31:27
  Speaker 10: I saw it at four to twenty as I was
• 31:29
  Speaker 10: driving between Columbus and Franklin. And we'll see what it
• 31:32
  Speaker 10: looks like tomorrow as I had through Indianapolis and to
• 31:36
  Speaker 10: parts north. I'm paying close to five bucks in DC.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Anybody in California who's right now there, and from San
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Francisco to La down to San Diego out in the
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Central Valley, they're all at six and a half to
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: seven dollars a gallon. So they're not feeling for you,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: David in Indiana. But not a good political situation, last
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: minute for you, right, you got to bring that down
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: before June.
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: Well, it's helpful because opinions start to solidify around June.
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: That's the old Mitch McConnell rule that I often deploy.
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: But particularly you want things to be relaxed by Labor Day.
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: I've just written about this for Bloomberg Opinion. Gas tends
• 32:14
  Speaker 10: to go up like a rocket and calms down extremely slowly.
• 32:18
  Speaker 10: I think we're going to be dealing with high gas
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: prices into the beginning of the fall, at least late summer.
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: That's according to the experts that I've talked to. That's
• 32:27
  Speaker 10: going to make things politically difficult. But they're already politically
• 32:30
  Speaker 10: difficult for Republicans in Congress, all right, David M.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Drucker follow him on X read them at the Dispatch
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the special report Brett Bear America's Ankerman Brett, welcome. I
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: have already played your report of your call with the
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: President this morning from earlier today on the Fox News channel.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: But give us a little bit of it, more of
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: a blow by blow. Were you at home, were you
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: at the studio already?
• 32:55
  Speaker 12: I was on my way to the studio and just
• 33:00
  Speaker 12: got the call and chatted for you know, probably the
• 33:04
  Speaker 12: fifteen minutes or so. You know, he's pretty resolute and
• 33:10
  Speaker 12: I took away from the call that you know, he
• 33:14
  Speaker 12: was pretty firm on that deadline.
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: He had not.
• 33:18
  Speaker 12: Been aware of the specifics that were moving the needle
• 33:21
  Speaker 12: negotiation wise. Now that said, just in the past few minutes,
• 33:24
  Speaker 12: Jackie Hindrick got off the phone, and there is the
• 33:29
  Speaker 12: Runians have moved a proposal and they are in what
• 33:34
  Speaker 12: the President described as he did negotiations. And that's what
• 33:39
  Speaker 12: he told Jackie just five minutes ago. So you know
• 33:42
  Speaker 12: where this goes ahead of APM Eastern time, I don't know,
• 33:45
  Speaker 12: but the earlier call, he was pretty resolute that it
• 33:49
  Speaker 12: was happening.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Right in the interim from the time he talked to him.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: B fifty twos have taken off from bases in Europe.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Admiral Cooper tells US hundreds of one way drones have
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: been launched the Israelis and bomb railroads. I think it's
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: going to be the most intense night of the war,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: but there is still intense and devastating. Did the President
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: talk with you about the language of his posts this
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: morning and the blowback that it's caused. I don't think
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: it's deserved, but it's been real blowback.
• 34:17
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it's real blowback. And you know how it's perceived
• 34:20
  Speaker 12: the fact that a lot of people went all the
• 34:23
  Speaker 12: way to nuclear weapons and you know, a tactical nuke
• 34:27
  Speaker 12: being used. That's not happening. Uh. And you know, I
• 34:33
  Speaker 12: didn't go down that road about the criticism. He was
• 34:38
  Speaker 12: kind of talking about what's what's to come, and you know,
• 34:43
  Speaker 12: I think he's seen the target list and I think,
• 34:47
  Speaker 12: you know, he kind of foreshadowed it at the news conference.
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: The other day.
• 34:51
  Speaker 12: It would be devastating and not only to the running regime,
• 34:56
  Speaker 12: but obviously to the running people too, And that's that's
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: where that's where some of the issue is. And you
• 35:04
  Speaker 12: don't want to harm the people that eventually are going
• 35:06
  Speaker 12: to take over that government at some point.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Now, Brett, I'll be on tonight on the panel with you,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: and we'll know more by that point. But I'm wondering
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: if your sources have developed any kind of sense of
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the command bunker that the B two's hit in the
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: middle of the extraordinary rescue operation. We still don't have
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: any news on who was in there, if anyone of importance.
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: No, we don't.
• 35:30
  Speaker 12: We do know that before that that a key intelligence
• 35:34
  Speaker 12: official was taken out, but there was a meeting at
• 35:38
  Speaker 12: an I urgency command center that was taken out by
• 35:40
  Speaker 12: that moab bomb. And you know that's significant because it
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: can go deep. And so it took out that bunker,
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: and whoever was in there, we're told did not survive.
• 35:54
  Speaker 12: So we don't have a list, but the names keep
• 35:57
  Speaker 12: on ticking up.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: So depending on for so long, I'm always more and
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: more impressed by General Kane every time he talked. But
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: you could see him flinch when the President started talking
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: about the details of the raid. He'd rather not talk
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: about anything about.
• 36:11
  Speaker 12: The raid, and we wanted to keep that secret. And
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: you know, I think they they're really sensitive about some
• 36:20
  Speaker 12: of that stuff. I mean, you know they may have
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: to use those tactics again, God forbid, if another another
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: plane goes down, or if something happens, that search and
• 36:29
  Speaker 12: rescue kind of blueprint is used, and they want to
• 36:34
  Speaker 12: keep tactics in a secret.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: So Brett, one question I have coming out of that
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: weekend of miracles, A heat seeking missile hit an F fifteen.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't think they had the capacity left. Has anyone
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: answered that to your satisfaction yet? No?
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: And I don't think they got the question effectively at
• 36:55
  Speaker 12: the White House press conference. You know, they kind of
• 37:00
  Speaker 12: say that they got lucky and that it got sucked
• 37:04
  Speaker 12: up in the in the heat signature of the of
• 37:07
  Speaker 12: the engine, but they still shot it down. And so
• 37:13
  Speaker 12: you know, the obliterated missile system. Either they got lucky
• 37:19
  Speaker 12: or they have a lot more. And I think it's
• 37:21
  Speaker 12: somewhere in between the two.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, now to today's events. Carg Island was hit again today.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Apparently only military targets is there? Those are the effect
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: from Jennifer, from anyone that the Iranian i RGC or
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: the arteche is reinforcing CARG.
• 37:41
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I think that's why they're laying the groundwork for
• 37:45
  Speaker 12: what may come. You know, we saw today out of
• 37:48
  Speaker 12: Irun a lot of human chains around infrastructure. These are
• 37:54
  Speaker 12: regime loyalists and their families with women and children, and
• 37:59
  Speaker 12: signs around electrical facilities, around military bunkers, and there was
• 38:08
  Speaker 12: we're told a resupply of defenses on KRG where they
• 38:13
  Speaker 12: went back. They've already done one round of strikes on
• 38:17
  Speaker 12: that island, which again is ninety percent of Iran's oil
• 38:21
  Speaker 12: capacity through that place.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad you brought that up because the
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: talk of war crimes today, Hitting a bridge is not
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: a war crime, hitting a power plant is not a wartime.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: If there's dual use, using civilians to shield military infrastructure
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: is a war crime. Hamasts for a year and a half,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I have not heard that commented on yet, but I
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: am correct about that, right, you are correct.
• 38:44
  Speaker 12: Yeah, And you know they're saying they're surrounding civilian facilities.
• 38:51
  Speaker 12: But obviously there's other you know, uses for a lot
• 38:55
  Speaker 12: of these things, including the nuclear bunkers where we believe
• 39:01
  Speaker 12: that Isbahan is the place that stored the highly enricheranium.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: All right to your final questions, was the president's mood
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: a brilliant somber? How would you characterize it.
• 39:13
  Speaker 12: He's fired up, he seemed energized, he's he was engaged,
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: and you know, not not somber. He knows it's daunting,
• 39:29
  Speaker 12: at least he talks about that, but he believes that
• 39:33
  Speaker 12: this pressure he's hoping is going to lead to a
• 39:37
  Speaker 12: big negotiation. And if not, he seems resolute. So I
• 39:42
  Speaker 12: would say firm, but not not somber.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Now, last question. The president often has sidebars. Did Pam
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: BONDI or the Master? Is there anything else come up?
• 39:55
  Speaker 12: No? No, it was a pretty you know, strict call.
• 39:59
  Speaker 12: I was trying to get as much information as I
• 40:00
  Speaker 12: could while I had his hear well.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing you tonight, Brett, and already
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: played your report. I replayed again before we get there.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Brett Behar, anchor of Special Report every night at six
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: America's anchorman. Thank you, Brett. Welcome back in America. I'm
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Hugh Hewett. If you're just joining us on the Salem
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: New Channel, Salem Radio Network, any of our great radio affiliates,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: be fifty two bombers are in the air, having left Britain.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: It's a seven hour trip to Iran. They'll arrive there
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: around eight pm tonight. The president of Pakistan has asked
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: for a two week extension. He's appealed to the president
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: to hold off. I just talked to Brett Bher talked
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: to the president earlier today. Does not seem at all
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: intent on backing up of his deadline. And now I'm
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: joined by Bethany Mandel, Mom Moores co founder. All I
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: have to do is go to themomwars dot substack dot com. Bethany,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: what do you make of the deadline? Wow?
• 40:54
  Speaker 13: So I actually was just recording my podcast and did
• 40:58
  Speaker 13: not hear that updates.
• 41:00
  Speaker 14: That is very interesting.
• 41:03
  Speaker 13: I think that the president is very good at keeping
• 41:06
  Speaker 13: his word, and that is something that makes him very
• 41:09
  Speaker 13: powerful when he goes into a negotiation, because you know
• 41:13
  Speaker 13: that when he says something, he means and it's you know,
• 41:15
  Speaker 13: you want to rewind to what the Obama administration said
• 41:19
  Speaker 13: with their redline in Syria, you knew that they never
• 41:21
  Speaker 13: meant it. With President Trump, he's just crazy enough that
• 41:25
  Speaker 13: he might be telling the truth always.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Now he posted earlier today, and I'm sure I will
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: hear the commentary. Quintet denounced this tomorrow because it's not
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: in keeping with their vibe. A whole civilization will die tonight,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: never to be brought back again. I don't want that
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: have complete and total regime change, where different, smarter and
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Who knows. We will find out tonight one of the
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: most important moments in the long and complex history of
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: the world. Forty seven years of extortion, corruption and death
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: will finally end. God, I'd bless the great people of Iran.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Now the left is reading the first line and denouncing Trump.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I'm reading the whole post and concluding it's aimed at
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: the Iranian government to impress upon them they will be
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: destroyed if they do not concede the major points. How
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: do you react to that post?
• 42:23
  Speaker 13: I hear Selena Selena Zito's voice in my head. Take
• 42:26
  Speaker 13: him seriously, but not literally. I can't believe she said
• 42:29
  Speaker 13: it ten years ago and we're still learning this lesson.
• 42:33
  Speaker 14: It's a negotiation tactic. This he does this all the time.
• 42:36
  Speaker 13: He goes to an eleven always, and then he's negotiated
• 42:41
  Speaker 13: back four steps and he's he's at five. Whereas the
• 42:45
  Speaker 13: Obama ministration would go to A two and they'd negotiate
• 42:48
  Speaker 13: them to a one. This is President Trump won a one.
• 42:52
  Speaker 13: I'm not horrified by it. I'm honestly a little amused
• 42:54
  Speaker 13: by it because it plays the same pattern that we've
• 42:57
  Speaker 13: seen him do over and over and over, and it's effective,
• 43:01
  Speaker 13: and they're going.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: To translate it into PARESI and not know what to do.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Bethanie I, I really am amazed that people, after eleven years,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: they still don't get Donald Trump. You just summarized how
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: he does this, and they still don't get it. And
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I think part of that is aesthetic and part of
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: it is ideological. But it doesn't matter to me. I've
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: been doing this show for twenty six years almost I
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: have been consistently a foe of striking Iranian nuclear undertaking.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: If Obama had done it wouldn't be that hard right now.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: If w had gone from Iraqan to Iran, it wouldn't
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: have been that hard right now. If Clinton hadn't caved
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: in North Korea, you wouldn't have set up this. I
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: think this is at the end of a very long
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: road which expands back to Jimmy Carter and not dealing
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: with this problem, which is metastatic.
• 43:50
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 43:50
  Speaker 13: And what's funny is so I'm on my computer right
• 43:53
  Speaker 13: now and I see my text messages pop up, and
• 43:56
  Speaker 13: I just saw a message that my friend her neighbors
• 43:59
  Speaker 13: invited her over to a civilization is ending dinner tonight.
• 44:04
  Speaker 13: They're all hysterical, and it's funny to me because they're
• 44:07
  Speaker 13: viewing President Trump as the existential threat to civilization and society.
• 44:12
  Speaker 13: My doomsday back clock is not ticking any faster today
• 44:16
  Speaker 13: than it was yesterday, but it's they're treating the threat
• 44:21
  Speaker 13: as Trump instead of Iran, which it always has.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Been to they understand. I had Ambassador or on yesterday,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: and I've been following the times of visual fairly closely.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I know you have friends in Jerusalem and in Tel Aviv.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: The barrages have been an ending from Hesbalalah. It's dozens
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: and dozens and dozen, and Ambassadora never complains, but he's weary.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: He's very as all of Israel must be. And this
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: is the access of resistance. It's not Trump who built
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: the access of resistance.
• 44:53
  Speaker 13: No, my friends are exhausted to their bones. They have
• 44:57
  Speaker 13: been woken up two or three times a night. It
• 44:59
  Speaker 13: was funny, I texted one of my friends yesterday in Israel.
• 45:01
  Speaker 13: He is in modi En and I texted him and
• 45:05
  Speaker 13: I said, are you awake right now? Because it was
• 45:07
  Speaker 13: one o'clock in the morning his time, and I put
• 45:09
  Speaker 13: in parentheses, maybe the Iranians woke you up? And he
• 45:12
  Speaker 13: responded to me three hours later, Yes they did. It's
• 45:15
  Speaker 13: four am, and I'm up.
• 45:16
  Speaker 14: What's up?
• 45:17
  Speaker 13: This is the life they're living and it's not sustainable
• 45:21
  Speaker 13: and the only way to take this out is to
• 45:23
  Speaker 13: take out Iran and take out Hesbla. And they're they're joined.
• 45:26
  Speaker 14: At the hip.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Now. I have read that the idea FS advanced to
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: the Latani. They have taken the high ground south of
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the Latani so that the anti tank missiles cannot hit
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Galilee anymore. Have you seen that confirmed? But I don't
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: know if you have friends in the north, do you.
• 45:42
  Speaker 13: I don't not that far north, and so many people
• 45:44
  Speaker 13: have left the North that even if they did normally
• 45:47
  Speaker 13: live there. I have friends who lived in that region
• 45:52
  Speaker 13: and they're vacationing right now near Gaza, actually because it's
• 45:56
  Speaker 13: it's calmer and more pleasant near Gaza.
• 45:58
  Speaker 14: Right now, well, you know.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I think I'll be long retired and maybe in my
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: reward before the idea leaves Lebanon this time, I'm really
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: really sort of resigned to that. Do you agree with
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: my assessment?
• 46:12
  Speaker 13: Unfortunately, probably unless something drastic happens, which you know has
• 46:16
  Speaker 13: happened every thirty seconds for the last five years. Something
• 46:19
  Speaker 13: drastic happens, so you know, anything's possible.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: And I've got check on net and Yahoo and his base.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: How do you assess it? From here?
• 46:31
  Speaker 13: I try not to opine on Israeli politics because I
• 46:34
  Speaker 13: don't want to understand it.
• 46:36
  Speaker 14: They're all so crazy over there.
• 46:38
  Speaker 13: My read on it is no one seems to like
• 46:41
  Speaker 13: him very much, and that hasn't really changed, but he's
• 46:44
  Speaker 13: still there. He's got the staying power of a cockroach.
• 46:47
  Speaker 13: And I don't say that in a nasty way. I
• 46:49
  Speaker 13: personally don't really care either way, but nothing really is
• 46:52
  Speaker 13: going to get rid of that man.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: I agree he is as John pod Or, it's like
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: to say, the preeminent politician of our time, Anthony Mandel.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Follow her on exit, Bethany Shandark go to the mom
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Wars dot substack dot com. Welcome back to America. I'm
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Hugh Hewitt. A couple of updates. The president has told
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: the press through Carolyn Levitt that he's considering the proposal.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Via the President of Pakistan and the exile of Crown
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Prince of Iran raised up Alav has called on the
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: army to rise up against the IRGC. I'm joined now
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: by Byron Yorky of Fox News, contributor of Fame and
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: lead correspondent for The Washington Examiner. Byron, I know you're
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: not in the prediction business, You're in the analysis business.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: What'd you make of the President's post this morning and
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: the reaction there too?
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: Well, I thought it was a pretty stunning post. I
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: have to tell you. Uh it was. You know, I
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: understood the you know a lot of people's objections to
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: the Eastern Morning post was really just on the sort
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: of propriety of it. You know, why would you do
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: this on Eastern Morning?
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: Uh?
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: But today, you know, a whole civilization will die tonight,
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: never to be brought back again. Don't want it to happen,
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: but it probably will. You know, that was kind of
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: a stunning.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: And then it's been going on for forty seven years.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: God bless the Iranian people. I really like a.
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: Lawyer, you you know, to say it's been going on
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: forty seven years. The entire presidency of Ronald Reagan passed
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: during this time when Iran was at war with the
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: United States. Okay, the entire presidency with George H. W. Bush,
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: of Bill Clinton, of George W.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Bush.
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: I mean, all of these presidents past, and they did
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: not go to war over this with Iran. And so
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: I mean to suggest, I think that this is absolutely
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: urgent matter that's been waiting forty seven years and has
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: to happen tonight is probably I.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Don't want to complain to think I'm saying that the
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: post is qualified by the ending, that the beginning of
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: the post is qualified by the ending of the year
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: of the post. He puts forty seven years.
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: Actually that I don't know. It depends on what you
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: mean by civilization. Maybe right, But you know, you have
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: to remember what was the goal. The goal is to
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: keep or Ran from having a nuclear weapon, and that goal,
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: to my knowledge, has already been achieved for some significant
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: period of time into the future. And I do not
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: believe anything can be done forever.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: But I believe that the relevant precedent for US is
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: what happened with North Korea. It was too early, It
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: was too early it was too early. It was too early,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: and then it was too late because they assembled the
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: necessary conventional forces that could have destroyed Soul, so we
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: could not attack their nuclear weapons program. And so all
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: those presidents you mentioned, they all said Iran couldn't have
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon. Well, now we've gone after their nuclear
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: capacity once one time, one strike, they began to rebuild it. Again,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: we went after it a second time, and they closed
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: the straight to where moved, so they escalated. We have
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: to control the ladder of escalation. I don't see an alternative.
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: Well, what happens when you get to the top of
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: the ladder of escalation.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: You continue to run what Clinton ran over Iraq for
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: ten years, a no fly zone in which George HW.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Bush continued George H. W Bush began and Bill Clinton continued,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: a ten year no fly zone that strikes everything that
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: could be part of reconstituted. But they've got to open
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: the strait. Now, this can end tonight at seven point thirty.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: If they say Straight's open, we get they control the
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: ladder of escalation.
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: Well, the Strait was not an issue prior to this
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: invasion or this attack. The first US Israeli attack, was it?
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, it was because they've whatever power that they are
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: now demonstrating, they have always possessed. What they have done
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: is revealed the world what they will do, which is
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: attack fourteen countries in a fanatic, religious, lunatic way. And
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: they were beginning to rebuild what had been obliterated a
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: year ago. What was the president supposed to do? Let
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: them rebuild it?
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: No, the whole point is to keep Iran from getting
• 51:08
  Speaker 7: a nuclear weapon, correct, which the world has successfully done
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: up to this point and can continue to do up
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: to this point without destroying any civilizations.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Well, we're not going to destroy the Irion civilization. And
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's even possible to read that post
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: and read it as other than intended for the regime
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: to mean. I mean business. I will destroy the bridges
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: and the power plants, which by the way, is not
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: a war crime. Anyone who ever seen the bridges tooko
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: re or the bridge over the river. Bridges are targets,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: so are power plants. So what do you think he's
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: going to do. I think he's going to bomb me
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: around tonight unless they open the straight unqualifiedly immediately.
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: Well, as I said, you know, the post on Sunday
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: power Plant, which specifically talked about bridges and power plants.
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: I think most of the opposition to that was just
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: in terms of the quorum. Yes, but it wasn't, at
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: least mine wasn't the substance of it. I thought it
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: wasn't the greatest Eastern message in the world, but you know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: it wasn't the substance of it. What does Trump do?
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, we're having another one of these
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: sort of wait for the exciting conclusion of tonight's episode
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: issues where they're talking now about some sort of deal.
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: Could there be some sort of deal? The Pakistani minister
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: has a plan for a ceasefire, and the President says
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: he'll look at it. You know what's going on. So
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: my guess is you don't see an attack tonight. But
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't bet on it. I wouldn't bet in either way.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: You know, if they capitulate, it will be the greatest
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: foreign policy success. The United States is the chief since
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, and that includes the fall of Saddam
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: because we didn't secure the country afterward, and we will
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: not have done it with boots on the ground. I'm
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: not a big favor of regime democracy planting anymore. But
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I do believe this is necessari because I cannot imagine
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: my grandchildren living with iron with sixty percent and rich
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: uranium a week away from breakout. They're crazy. I'll give
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: you the last word.
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: Buy well here in there are bad regimes in the world.
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: There are crazy regimes in the world. You have to
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: control them. And up until now we have met, even
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: with the terrible mistake, let's call it the mistake of
• 53:26
  Speaker 7: Barack Obama, we have managed to keep the West has
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: managed to keep Iran away from a nuclear missile. The
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: point is to make sure they don't have nuclear weapons.
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: Keep doing that. At the president's press conference yesterday with
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: General Cain and Hegseth and Ratcliff, he said, people.
• 53:45
  Speaker 12: Keep asking me, why are you going to do this?
• 53:46
  Speaker 7: Why are you got to do this? And I said
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: Iran cannot be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. That
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: is the fundamental goal here.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: And I agree. And he said that many, many, many times.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: He repeats the manger message again in a and again
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: and again. But now the subsidiary message is stop screwing
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: with your neighbors who are not combatants and open the strait.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: And they're pirates. They're lunatics, but we will see tonight.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Byron York. Always go to talk to you. Fall him
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: on Exit Byron York, read him in the Washington Examiner,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: and see him on Fox News. Don't go anywhere, America.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I'm coming right back. Lilax is coming up, and then
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gona just take a break from Iran because we
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: got countdown talk. John Coleman, lead contribute to Harvard Business Review,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: has written a new book, Good Money, and Good Money
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: is about the right way to approach thinking about money.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: I thought we'd take a break from Iran all the
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: time around the time, so I will continue to bring
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: you updates as necessary. Don't go anywhere, stay soon. I'll
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: be right back. I'm the hugeish.
• 54:49
  Speaker 7: Place speaking of foreign land with weapons and every hand.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh youwett morning Glory and
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: eating grace. I am playing on for the love of
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: America because it was originally brought to my attention by
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: my guest James Lilacs, probably twenty four years ago, after
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: nine to eleven, maybe twenty three years ago. Is that
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: when you first introduced me to that, James, I think that.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Was about it.
• 55:11
  Speaker 15: Yes, right after the war we were gearing up. We
• 55:14
  Speaker 15: felt like we were back in a World War two
• 55:16
  Speaker 15: sort of ethos. But we wondered if we had the
• 55:17
  Speaker 15: will of the means, And that song was a reminder
• 55:20
  Speaker 15: of a time when they also wondered if they had
• 55:22
  Speaker 15: the will of the means, but bucked themselves up with
• 55:24
  Speaker 15: good patriotic songs.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: So we are three hours away from the deadline, a
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: little bit less than three hours at eight pm. B
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: fifty two's are said to have taken off from England.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: It's about the flight time would get them there around
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: eight o'clock. I want everyone who didn't hear the first
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: two hours to hear one thing. It is not a
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: war crime to hit bridges or power plants. If those
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: bridges are power plants, support your enemies political regime and
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: military outfit. But boy at the left lost its mind. James,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: have you been following this today?
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 55:59
  Speaker 15: I have, and I think part of the reason is
• 56:01
  Speaker 15: that that was really an extraordinary tweet. That was a
• 56:05
  Speaker 15: tweet for the ages, and I assume that you've been
• 56:06
  Speaker 15: talking about it for the last couple of hours. A
• 56:08
  Speaker 15: whole civilization will die tonight, that you know, that's that
• 56:13
  Speaker 15: is the meanest I think of the mean tweets for
• 56:17
  Speaker 15: which Donald Trump has been accused of making. I'm not
• 56:21
  Speaker 15: sure what that means. I mean, does he mean the regime?
• 56:24
  Speaker 15: Does he re mean that? Does he mean the civilization
• 56:26
  Speaker 15: of Islamic oppression over Iran? Because it sounds like, sorry, Persia,
• 56:31
  Speaker 15: ye had a nice long.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Run, but it's over tonight.
• 56:33
  Speaker 15: I don't know what exactly that means, although I do
• 56:37
  Speaker 15: love that when he says, maybe there'll be something revolutionarily,
• 56:41
  Speaker 15: which is actually a word. See he can make that up.
• 56:44
  Speaker 15: He says, who knows, which is I sort the sort
• 56:47
  Speaker 15: of strategic ambiguity. I think that we enjoy the situations, like.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: The exact language because he at the end of it
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: he said, and God bless the Iranian people. It was
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: a classic Trump You know, when he's talking about Iranian civilization,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: I think he's talking about the IRGC and the artache,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: not destroying Persia and laying waste to it the way
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: we did to Tokyo or the bridge did to Hamburg
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: and other plays. We're not doing carpet bombing.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: We're not doing that.
• 57:20
  Speaker 15: No, no, we're not. We're not We're not going to
• 57:22
  Speaker 15: reduce Tehran to ashes. I mean, what remains to be hit.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 57:26
  Speaker 15: I mean from what I've been hearing and reading, there
• 57:28
  Speaker 15: are all these underground cities we collapsed, the entrances, they
• 57:31
  Speaker 15: get the construction cruise, they open them up again, They
• 57:33
  Speaker 15: haul out three or four missiles, and on and on
• 57:35
  Speaker 15: our dose. I assume that they have a list of
• 57:37
  Speaker 15: targets which will be strategically crucial for anybody to keep going.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: Power, of course is handy and necessary.
• 57:45
  Speaker 15: But what I love when people were saying, well, and
• 57:47
  Speaker 15: of course after Trump made that statement to the Iridians
• 57:49
  Speaker 15: immediately broke off negotiations.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: Who do you think, I don't know who we're talking to.
• 57:53
  Speaker 15: Whether or not we're talking to some political entity that
• 57:55
  Speaker 15: has absolutely no control of the military as well, or
• 57:58
  Speaker 15: whether or not we're talking to it rosa group that
• 58:00
  Speaker 15: would like to slip it and take power when all
• 58:02
  Speaker 15: a said and done.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: But the idea somehow that the Iranians are negotiating in.
• 58:06
  Speaker 15: Good faith at this point, like all the other points,
• 58:09
  Speaker 15: and that they just stormed away from the table because
• 58:11
  Speaker 15: something crazy was said is.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: A bit ridiculous. So we read the whole size.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: This is the truth. Social notes a whole civilization will
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: that we have wait and you've got to go to
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: the end stuff right there?
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right?
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: However, now that we have complete and total regime change,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: where different, smarter and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: revolutionarily wonderful can happen. Who knows? All in cap we
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: will find out tonight one of the most important moments
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: in the long and complex history of the world. Forty
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: seven years of extortion, corruption and death will finally end.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: God bless the great people of Iran.
• 59:02
  Speaker 15: Revolutionarily Yeah, revolutionarily wonderful sounds like a lyric you would
• 59:08
  Speaker 15: find it, and you know in Seid of the musical
• 59:09
  Speaker 15: seventeen seventy six. But if something, if the civilization is
• 59:13
  Speaker 15: going to die, then that means that it's bad. That
• 59:16
  Speaker 15: that means it's the Iranian regime. But he doesn't want
• 59:19
  Speaker 15: it to happen. Why doesn't he want it to happen? Again,
• 59:23
  Speaker 15: I'm not the most clear concise.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: I would have written it differently, but I would have
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: said the regime that has ruined Iran for forty seven
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: years will come to an end tonight and they still
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: have a chance to do this peacefully. But the great people,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I would God bless the great people of Iran. I'd
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: leave that last line in. But James, I want to
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: go back to whether or not the talk of war
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: crimes this is absurd. I took international law in nineteen eighty.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: I've been studying it, teaching parts of it in kam
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: law for thirty years now. If you target dual use infrastructure,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: it's not a war crime. We did that in Yugoslavia,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: we did that in Libya. Why is this all of
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: a sudden a talking.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: Point reaching and grasping Ukraine.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 15: I believe blew up a bridge in Russia today or yesterday,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 15: and odd no one is talking about that being a
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 15: war crime. Ukraine did it because the Russians were moving
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 15: material all across it to go kill more Ukrainians and
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 15: capture more soil. So Ukraine has nevery right to go
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 15: and do that, and no one's mentioning that.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: Again.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 15: I have to think that a couple of bridges were
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 15: probably taken out during World War Two.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: I don't think that they said.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 15: No, leave that we don't want to be brought up
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 15: in the dock after the war's over. It's preposterous, it
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 15: is ridiculous, But again they have to say something because
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 15: the general overall idea, the course of this is to
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 15: liberate the Iranian people and make it so that women
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 15: can walk around with their hair showing without being bitten
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 15: by sticks, by mino jump out of cars. And since
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 15: it's hard to get to be against that, they have
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 15: to find all sorts of alternative means to scream about it.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 15: And there you are, it's the latest thing. Knock the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 15: ice right off the table. There for people who were
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 15: getting upset about it, would seem.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Do you think everyone has forgotten that the regime The
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: president used the number fifty thousand yesterday, the Crown Prince
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: of Iran's on my program. The low end was thirty
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: five thousand murdered in January, So I've been using the
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: thirty five thousand number. What can you say about a
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: regime that murdered thirty five thousand of its own people.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: They're not good people.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 15: No, absolutely not, and it's completely in keeping with what
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 15: they have always been. That's why the idea, somehow that
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 15: we just decided for some strange reason, to go over
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 15: there and make trouble with her on when Iran has
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 15: been absolutely at our throats, intellectually, spiritually, militarily, terrorist wise
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 15: for forty seven years. It's ridiculous, DoD I mean give
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 15: Trump credit for this. He was talking about the need
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 15: for regime change a long long time ago.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: I mean back when he was doing Oprah shows.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 15: So it's not something that is just suddenly he decided
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 15: to fixate on to distract attention from Epstein, which is
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 15: which just what you hear on the left over and
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 15: over and over again. This is all about a wag
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 15: my dog to keep people from looking at the Epstein files.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: Please.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 15: People have forgotten about the Epstein files. People have forgotten
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 15: that we sent a rocket.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: To the moon.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 15: It's going to be news to a lot of people
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 15: when that thing splashes down. It's like, what did they
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 15: go up in seventy one and never come back? I mean,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 15: the attention span at this point is short, and the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 15: information quantity seems to be.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Well, let me talk about when Artemis is a big
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: story and I'm I'm a big fan of that particular mission,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: but I am a bigger fan of the rescue mission
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: and the extraordinary mission within a mission, we've sign a
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: bunch of B twos. In the middle of that, forty
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: five hours of getting the two airmen, we sent a
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: bunch of B twos to bomb a command center with
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: the IRGC and once again ill advisedly gathered and we
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: knew about it and we hit that. What did you
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: make of that rescue. I'm still not over it. I'm
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: still talking about it.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: It's extraordinary and it's very much America.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 15: As somebody pointed out on Twitter that in the space
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 15: of X number of hours we had sent this entire
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 15: force in there to rescue our people and also just
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 15: shot a rocket at the moon. That's America. That's the
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 15: America that we love. That's the America that can do things.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 15: It was a remarkable operation and it reminds you again
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 15: we're not where we were back in the Carter eras
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 15: when the first Delta Force mission really did not do
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 15: so well at the whole setting.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Up a base and trying to rescue.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 15: People think we're much better at it, and we're incredible
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 15: at it, and the world knows it and sees what
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 15: we do. There were those who were saying, we don't
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 15: understand why you would expand so much material and so
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 15: many airframes to rescue a few people.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: That's the American difference.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 15: We're not going to leave them on the battlefield like
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 15: the Russians and have people drag them back with you
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 15: with chains if they dragged them.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: Back at all. No, they're important, they're alive. We're going
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: to go get them.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 15: And the story of one man hold out with a
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 15: pistol gets rescued on the Easter. It just makes the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 15: whole thing make you say, when is the movie coming out?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Because there's going to be a movie.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Right There be many a movie. And I liked your mind. People.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: We've been doing it this way since we've been flying.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush, President Bush, the first pulled out
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: of the drink twice when he got shot down as
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: a fighter pilot in World War Two. I had a
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: friend Tim Cook. I have a friend Tim Cook who
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: flew over Vietnam repeatedly, always aware that they would try
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: and come and get you, and occasionally they would if
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: you got shot down. But it was tough in the
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: jungles of Iran. I'm just amazed at how they threw
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: it together in forty five hours. Nothing in America. I don't.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 15: Well, it does if you're motivated, and if he does,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 15: if you're these guys, and it does if you have
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 15: a meritocracy where people are based on skill and rewarded
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 15: as such, Yes, then it would put these guys in
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 15: charge of California High Speed Rail and you'd probably have
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 15: that thing opening within eight months.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: Don't give them any ideas, Lilax. Please don't suggest that
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: I don't want it to open in forty five days.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: But you're right if they'd put a military. When I
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: first built the Nixon Library, I hired a marine retired
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: colonel to make sure that I didn't screw it up
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: too badly. Jim O'Brien, if you're listening still, thank you, Lilax.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Read him over at James Lylas dot substack
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  Speaker 1: dot com James Lilacs dot substack dot com. We'll just
• 1:05:01
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• 1:05:03
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. You've met John Coleman.
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  Speaker 1: If you're a long time listening to the program. He
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: is a graduate of Harvard Business School, Harvard Kennedy School,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: longtime friend of the program. Now he's the author of
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• 1:06:42
  Speaker 16: Yeah, Six Steps to building a financial life with purpose.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 16: And thanks so much for having me on here. It's
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 16: a privilege to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm pretty interested in this. I want to give
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  Speaker 1: you're graduate of the Harvard Kennedy School. You're contributing writer
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: to the Harvard Business Review. And I guess they have
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: a program on human flourishing. What is that program about.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 16: John, Yeah, So Harvard has an incredible program on human flourishing,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 16: which is actually an academic study center headed by a
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 16: guy named Tyler Vanderweel and collaboratively with Baylor and Gallup,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 16: they now have the largest study of human flourishing in
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  Speaker 4: So they've surveyed a few hundred.
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  Speaker 16: Thousand people about the elements of human flourishing and have
• 1:07:26
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• 1:07:32
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• 1:07:38
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• 1:07:40
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• 1:07:42
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  Speaker 1: I also want the audience to know you know which
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• 1:07:53
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  Speaker 16: Yes, Sovereign's Capital. And the book is really the intersection
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 16: of these two streams that I've had in my life.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 16: One for about fifteen years, I've been one of hbr's
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 16: principal writers on purpose, human flourishing and meaning. And then
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 16: on the other, I've spent my life as an investor,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 16: building some acumen with investment investment management, obviously, but also
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 16: dealing with wealthy families and institutions, and so I had
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 16: noticed there was a gap in the market trying to
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 16: understand this intersection of purpose, meaning and human flourishing and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 16: the way to use money well, which is what I'm
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 16: surrounded by in my day job. And Sovereign's Capital to
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 16: you today is a values oring investment firm. So we
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 16: actually try and incorporate these principles of human flourishing into
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 16: the work that we do within the companies that we
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 16: purchase or invest in.
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  Speaker 4: And so it's a really neat.
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  Speaker 16: Thing to be able to synthesize that in this book
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 16: and connect those two topics more deeply.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Now, John Coleman, Good Money. Before we get to that,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: I had Arthur Brookshawn last week talking about how to
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: build your life. Well, Arthur, wasn't there when you were there?
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Was Clayton Christiansen teaching this stuff? I mean, where did
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: you get the impetus to think this way?
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  Speaker 9: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 16: Clay Christensen is just such a marvelous human being and
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 16: we all miss him very much. And indeed, Clay was
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 16: one of those formative people I had a number of
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 16: great professors at Harvard Business School. You know, I've been
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 16: really concerned with this idea of purpose and meaning and
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 16: flourishing throughout my life, Hugh, partially because of my faith background,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 16: so I'm a Christian. That's obviously central to the faith
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 16: that I have, and I've constantly fretted over this idea,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 16: how do I create greater flourishing in the life of
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 16: my family, but also as a mission in life for me?
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: How do I create.
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  Speaker 16: Opportunities for others and try and enable purpose, meaning and
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 16: flourishing in their lives. Clay Christiensen has leaned into that,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 16: and I was privileged to be able to learn from him.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 16: David Gergan, who was at the Kennedy School while I
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 16: was there, I was someone who was great for that.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 16: Arthur Brooks has been a great person to get to
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 16: know since his AI days before he went to Harvard.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 16: And there's just so much great work going on in
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 16: the world right now around this topic, and I think
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  Speaker 16: it's needed because we see in culture a dearth of purpose,
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  Speaker 16: meaning in human flourishing, and that's something I think all
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 16: of us are trying to speak into more comprehensively.
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  Speaker 10: Well.
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  Speaker 1: Claik Christiansen wrote the book How to Measure a Life,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: and I thought it was one of the best books
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: I've ever read about performance and metrics that make a
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: lot of sense for one individual's life. Let's turn to
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: good money, and again good money, the subtitle of which
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: is I want to get to write six steps of
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: building a financial life with purpose. All right. Step number
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  Speaker 1: one change the way you think about money. That's a
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: pretty big that's a pretty big gulp.
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  Speaker 16: Yes, And you know, essential to that really is this
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 16: idea of understanding that money is a means, not an end,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 16: to human flourishing. And that's the very first mindset I
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 16: try and address when I talked through the framework from
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  Speaker 16: Harvard that I've leaned into. There are five intrinsically meaningful
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  Speaker 16: things you can do with your life. Positive relationships, character
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 16: and virtue, meaning and purpose, happiness and life satisfaction, physical, mental,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 16: and spiritual health. The six category is financial and material stability.
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  Speaker 4: Money. But money is really.
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  Speaker 16: Just a means to achieving those more intrinsically good things.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 16: And if you focus on it too much, if you
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 16: make it and ends, it can actually be in conflict
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 16: with your ability to build with great relationships or.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: Character and virtue.
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  Speaker 16: So I try and anchor people around that, and then
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 16: also anchor them in this idea of enough. You know,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 16: the hardest question to answer in money is how much
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 16: is enough? It's been perennial. I talk about a Tulsoy
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  Speaker 16: short story in the book to demonstrate he was thinking
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 16: about it. There are some great quotes from John Rockefeller
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 16: when they asked him at the height of his wealth,
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  Speaker 16: how much is enough, John, or how much more do
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  Speaker 16: you need? And he said just a little bit more.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 16: And we all think that way. And so I encourage
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 16: people to reflect on it as a means in and
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  Speaker 16: also to put a real framework around how much money
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  Speaker 16: is enough for me to achieve these other more intrinsically
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 16: meaningful things. And then how do I use any money
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  Speaker 16: beyond that to lean into those things through generosity, through
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 16: business building, through better spending habits, et cetera, rather than
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 16: just acquiring more and more, which is a cycle we
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  Speaker 16: get stuck in called the hedonic treadmill, where we're constantly
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 16: just chasing more in the work that we do.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: And so those are a couple of mindsets I anchor on.
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  Speaker 1: So John, first hard question, You don't know how much
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  Speaker 1: you'll need when you start right. You have no idea
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: if there's going to be illnessed or accident or tragedy,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: or children with special needs. You just don't know. So
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: how do you guide people on the idea that we
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: can figure out how much is enough?
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, that's right, Hugh. And everyone's life situation is different,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 16: so there's not a number outlined in the book where
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 16: I say this is enough for you. People do have
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 16: different needs. We have a child with special needs, for example,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 16: we've got parents who are aging.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: All of those things factor into what you need. I
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: think the key.
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  Speaker 16: Discussion that spouse's should be having with each other, with
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 16: their broader network of friends or a financial advisor is
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 16: what is the lifestyle that we want to lead and
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 16: what does that look like, so that you have a
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 16: concept of that and what you think that network target
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 16: or income target is to address that, because the trap
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 16: that you're trying to avoid is lifestyle escalation. You know,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 16: the typical person, when they make a little bit more
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 16: at a job, their income goes up, but their spending
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 16: goes up right along with it, right, And that's why
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 16: it's called the hedonic treadmill, because we get caught kind
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 16: of chasing escalating lifestyle as our income goes up, even
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 16: though that escalating lifestyle, especially material things, often doesn't make
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 16: you happier. In fact, there's some evidence that acquiring material
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 16: things can actually be negative for happiness, fulfillment and purpose
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 16: over time if focused improperly.
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  Speaker 4: And so I get him to think.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 16: About the lifestyle, the type of house, the type of education,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 16: the types of expenditures they need to make make that
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 16: decision for themselves, and then a course of tragedy strikes.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 16: If you can encounter a complicated life circumstance, like someone
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 16: with health problems, you can adjust that over time to
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 16: reflect your life. But it's really stepping off the treadmill
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 16: and being more conscious of the material things that you're
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 16: accumulating and how your lifestyle is escalating.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be right back with John Coleman. He's
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: the author of the brand new book Good Money, Six Steps,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Six Steps to building a financial life with Purpose. So
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: don't go anywhere except maybe over to Amazon to find
• 1:14:39
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• 1:14:42
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• 1:14:46
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• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: back in America. I'm here with John Coleman, author of
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: the brand new book Good Money. You'll find good Money
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: at Amazon, at Barnes and Noble wherever books are sold.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: And because it's both a self help book and a
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: finance book, a lot of people are going to wonder
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: about the six steps of building a financial life with purpose,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: and they want the outline version of it. So I'm
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: going to give you the outline version of it. But first, John,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: how did you end up you don't know any South
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  Speaker 1: in your mouth? How did you end up so deeply
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: involved in Georgia's stuff? Oh, I was.
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  Speaker 16: Born in Florida, Actually, Hugh, I tell the story bit
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 16: in a book. My dad was a rodeo cowboy.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: When I was born. We lived in a single wide
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: mobile home in Florida.
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  Speaker 16: My mom cut hair and so I don't know how
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  Speaker 16: I didn't get an accent. I grew up in Columbus, Georgia.
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  Speaker 16: Primarily I joke with my parents. I maybe watch too
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  Speaker 16: much TV. But if you met my extended family you
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 16: definitely hear more of that Georgia and North Florida accent.
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  Speaker 4: For sure.
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  Speaker 1: Dad was a rodeo guy.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, he wrote bulls in saddle bronc courses. So, Hugh,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 16: I've been a perpetual disappointment to my father. There's no
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 16: way to really live up to that level of adventure
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 16: and masculinity, you.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: Know everything, actually, but my mom is very happy.
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  Speaker 1: It intersects with my worst moment on the radio. But
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you that story. An other time happened at
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: the Rodeo National Finals in Las Vegas, when I was
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: talking to a world champion bull rider. But another time.
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  Speaker 1: Prioritize purpose in your working career. Step two. Okay, how
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  Speaker 1: is a twenty four year old supposed to do that?
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Let's say that's the average HBS graduate or if you
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: go back for an executive NBA at thirty five, how
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: do you prioritize purpose? Yeah.
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  Speaker 16: The simple way that I think about this is there
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 16: is really no success without significance. So in our culture,
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  Speaker 16: there's this idea I can just bear down, take a
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 16: job for the money, become successful, and then I'll figure
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 16: out how to make my life significant. And I think
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 16: that mindset is actually behind all the disengagement we see.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 16: So if you look at surveys right now, only around
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 16: twenty percent of people say that they get a significant
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 16: source of meaning and purpose from their work. In the
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 16: United States, which is catastrophic. That's where you spend most
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 16: of your time forty to fifty sixty hours a week,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 16: and so I have this idea that almost any job
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 16: can be meaningful, but we have to look for the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 16: opportunities to really build out those sources of meaning and
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 16: purpose in our work. I interviewed a bus driver actually
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 16: for my last book on Purpose with HBr and he
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 16: had made this job a bus driver intrinsically meaningful by
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 16: viewing himself as a caretaker for the kids on his bus,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 16: celebrating them, encouraging them, connecting them with one another, helping
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 16: them build relationships. He wasn't just a driver, he was
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 16: a teacher. And I think in each of our jobs,
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  Speaker 16: it's incumbent upon us to look for those opportunities to
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  Speaker 16: serve others, to build positive relationships, to excel at our craft,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 16: and even to tweak our jobs in ways that become
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 16: more meaningful. And because earning is the first way in
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 16: which we encounter money, I thought it important off the
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 16: bat to help people understand how to build more purpose
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 16: and meaning in their way were so that they didn't
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 16: feel they were just working for a paycheck, that they
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 16: were actually using that time there at were both to
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 16: earn money, which is important, but also to really live
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 16: into the mission of their lives and exemplify their values.
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  Speaker 1: Now, John, Over the weekend, we saw the most amazing
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  Speaker 1: thing I think I've seen in my life in terms
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: of human activity, which was the rescue of the second
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: pilot from the F fifteen That involved an operation involving
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: thousands of people with a long tail back to a
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: secretary at the Pentagon who is probably staying up late
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: checking the eyes and the t's on the documents that
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: were authorizing the thing. How do you infuse purpose into
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: an organization like that, because that was obviously quite an
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: amazing purpose driven result, Oh my gosh.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 16: And the US military is one of the best examples
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 16: of a purpose driven organization. If you talk to marines
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 16: or Army rangers or Air Force pilots, they put purpose
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 16: at the center of all they do. They have a
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 16: very clear mission as an organization, they have very clear values,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 16: and I think they start with that so that they're
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 16: recruiting and identifying people who come because they connect with
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 16: that mission. And then everything that they do with internal
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 16: to the organization is helping the individuals in that organization
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 16: connect with that both at the umbrella level, like I'm
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 16: a marine and this is what Marines stand for, but
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 16: also with the individual members of their unit, with the
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 16: people that they train with, with those who they're going
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 16: to deploy with. And so what I think the military
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 16: does a great job of. First they have such a
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 16: wonderful and clear mission at the outset, which is absent
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 16: from some jobs and you have to work harder at.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 16: But they then connect it down to the personal level.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 16: They reinforce it in everything that they do. They recognize
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 16: those whether they're Medal of Honor winners or others who
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 16: have contributed significantly to that and set that as an
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 16: aspiration for others. And they're really one of the best
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 16: examples in the world right now of a purpose driven
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 16: organization wherever person is on mission, and that rescue story
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 16: that you mentioned is such a great example of that,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 16: where people are literally putting their lives on the line,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 16: not just for the mission of the country, for the
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 16: values of their service branch, but also to contribute to
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 16: one another.
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  Speaker 1: Deeply inspired. Really one of the most inspissal things I've seen.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be right back with John Coleman, and I've only
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: done two of the six steps in good Money. I'll
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: get through them in the final segment don't go anywhere
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: in America. I'm here HERETT with John Coleman Good Money.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: It's his new book, blogging back to America. I can
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: talk to John Coleman for a long time because the
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: young man who has done a lot and it's going
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: to do a lot more. But I want you to
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: look at his book Good Money. Six Steps to building
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: a Financial Life with Purpose steps four five six three
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: four five sticks, spend and consume wisely, use your means
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: to help others, invest for maximum impact, and say for
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: freedom not retirement. Now, John, I'm seventy years old. Hopefully
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: I've done these things. But one of the things I
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: think the fetching missus YOUHWTT and I did early on
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: was learned to spend wisely and just not fall in
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: love with expensive things. How do you advise people to
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: do that?
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean there's a prudent step, which is just
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 16: never spend more than you have, don't let your networth
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 16: go negative, stay out of debt. I think beyond that,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 16: most of us end up spending on material things. And
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 16: if I had a rule of thumb we use around
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 16: our house, it's experiences not stuff. In general, acquiring material
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 16: things is both not leading to happiness and purpose, but
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 16: it also is what gets you in that trap. What
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 16: you'd rather spend on are things like experiences which builds relationships,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 16: which are durable, health time, and the relationships in your lives,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 16: which are more oriented towards human flourishing and really lead
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 16: to happiness and purpose. And so I think the first
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 16: step is for people to get off the material accumulation treadmill,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 16: both because that's what can lead you into debt, but
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 16: also because it doesn't really result in the happiness that
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 16: people are chasing as much of some of these other categories.
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  Speaker 1: I got a dangerous question for you. The two most
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: expensive hobbies I know of are cars and wine. Now
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: I have no care for cars or wine, but do
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: you have any advice in good money about picking your
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: hobbies wisely, like if you follow the guard again, it's
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: pretty cheap.
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  Speaker 16: You know, those are expensive hobbies. I also don't engage
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 16: in here. I think people have to be careful about what.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: They get into.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 16: And one of the little tidbits I have in the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 16: book is something called smash your idols, which is if
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 16: you realize something is a bad obsession for you because
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 16: you don't have the money to pursue it, you get
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 16: caught up in status comparison, whether that be cars or
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 16: watches or clothes or whatever it is.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: To really go cold turkey to smash that I do.
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  Speaker 17: That's a good idea. Yeah, I want to go to
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 17: use your money to help others. We do a lot
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 17: of that on the program. We waste a lot of
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 17: money for a lack cause or like food for the poor.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 17: The last couple of weeks. How hard is it to
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 17: persuade people that the scriptures? I had a lot of
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  Speaker 17: good guidance there.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 16: And one of the tragic things right now is that
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 16: most people are not as generous as we could be.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 16: Less than two percent of US GDP, only six and
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 16: ten people give to charity in any given year, and
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 16: it's only slightly higher for Christians right now. And yet
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 16: generosity is proven as one of the two or three
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 16: most important things to unlocking purpose and human flourishing in
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 16: your life. Even as physical health benefits, Generous people have
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 16: lower incidences of all cause mortality, lower incidences of cardiac disease,
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  Speaker 16: a variety of things physically and psychologically. What I'm trying
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  Speaker 16: to help people understand is how to do that more
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  Speaker 16: generously and more consistently, and that topics like becoming a
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  Speaker 16: percentage giver, doing things you're passionate about, not only giving money,
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  Speaker 16: but serving in these organizations so you become more involved
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  Speaker 16: in them, and doing it in partnership, particularly with your family,
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  Speaker 16: where you can introduce the practice of family giving.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Joe, let me close with invest from maximum impact,
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  Speaker 1: say for freedom, not retirement. Now, I'm going to retire
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  Speaker 1: in a few more years, and I've done that, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what you mean by that. I just
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  Speaker 1: sort of focused on making sure that I could quit
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  Speaker 1: when I wanted to.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, And I'm kind of on a I don't believe
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  Speaker 16: in the conventional American view of retirement, which is withdraw
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  Speaker 16: completely from the world, build up a balance sheet enough
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  Speaker 16: that you can go play golf the rest of your time.
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  Speaker 16: I don't think the scripture tells us that, and I
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  Speaker 16: don't think the research tells us that. The Social Security
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  Speaker 16: Administration found that there's a twenty four percent decrease in
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  Speaker 16: all cause mortality delaying retirement even one year. And so
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  Speaker 16: what I encourage people to do is really lean into
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  Speaker 16: using their talents and abilities for the entirety of their
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  Speaker 16: life as long as health allows, and instead saving so
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  Speaker 16: that they have the freedom and agency to choose what
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  Speaker 16: they're working on throughout their lives, so they're not trapped
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  Speaker 16: in something that's too busy or that's too fast a pace,
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  Speaker 16: or something they don't enjoy. But building the financial flexibility
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  Speaker 16: so that they can use their talents for maximum impact
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  Speaker 16: at the pace they want over time, but not withdrawing
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  Speaker 16: completely from the workforce, which I also think benefits society
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  Speaker 16: because we don't want to lose the talents and experiences
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  Speaker 16: of older Americans either. And so I think there's a
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  Speaker 16: real shift in mindset for a lot of people about.
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  Speaker 1: Arms, especially as lifespan expands. So, John, good money, it's
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  Speaker 1: your sixth book. How many more are you going to do?
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  Speaker 1: I did fifteen, and I said, you know, okay, there's
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  Speaker 1: no more. I got nothing left to say. How much
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  Speaker 1: more have you got left to say?
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  Speaker 16: I got to be careful that my wife is not
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  Speaker 16: watching the program, Hugh, because she is probably not ready for.
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  Speaker 4: Me to take on another book right now.
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  Speaker 16: But I think there are a couple more in the tank,
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  Speaker 16: even with regards to this, and so I'm already floating
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  Speaker 16: a couple of new ideas and I love to write
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  Speaker 16: like you do, and so it's a privilege to be
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  Speaker 16: able to do so.
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  Speaker 1: I have a suggestion how to teach your children, or
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  Speaker 1: just younger people generally, because I think the rising generation
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  Speaker 1: doesn't know anything about money, do you No?
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  Speaker 16: And that's the concluding chapter of the book is actually
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  Speaker 16: on money in kids, because I thought that was the most.
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  Speaker 4: Important way to wrap it, and so I.
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  Speaker 16: Try and tie all of those six practices into how
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  Speaker 16: you can parent your children, because I think we're doing
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  Speaker 16: kids a great disservice today both just teaching them fundamental
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  Speaker 16: financial literacy and the principles and values behind that to
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  Speaker 16: make their lives better. So it's a crucially important point
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  Speaker 16: that's under emphasized.
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  Speaker 1: You're involved in schools, maybe de Kalb County, do you
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  Speaker 1: insist or do you try and get them to teach
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  Speaker 1: financial literacy to kids?
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  Speaker 12: Oh?
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  Speaker 16: My goodness, I think even starting in middle school, we
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  Speaker 16: need more financial literacy in the classroom. I'm on the
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  Speaker 16: board of a college right now where I'm trying to
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  Speaker 16: emphasize that as part of the coursework. I think our
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  Speaker 16: educational institution should be starting as young as elementary school,
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  Speaker 16: introducing basic financial literacy concepts, and of course there's no
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  Speaker 16: substitute for parents picking that up. I mean, really, parents
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  Speaker 16: have to be a critically part of mentoring. We've got
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  Speaker 16: a five year old through a twelve year old, four kids,
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  Speaker 16: and even our five year old now has a Ledger system.
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  Speaker 16: We're teaching the basic principles and we're evolving that to
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  Speaker 16: greater maturity with our twelve year old. But we parents
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  Speaker 16: have to think about taking ownership of that and encouraging
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  Speaker 16: each of our schools to be a compliment to that,
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  Speaker 16: a partner in that work.
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  Speaker 1: In the final we got one minute. Debt is a killer,
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  Speaker 1: you know. That's my whole financial rule of life. Just
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  Speaker 1: don't go into debt. Do you share that?
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  Speaker 16: For the most part, I think there are a couple
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  Speaker 16: of forms of debt that are a part of modern
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 16: society that can be okay. Mostly asset back debt for
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 16: things like mortgages, right can appropriate market. But I think
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 16: uncollateralized debt, credit card debt, even student loan debt is
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 16: something you have to be stupid.
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  Speaker 4: No one should.
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  Speaker 16: Carry credit card debt if they can avoid it, and
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  Speaker 16: I think the student loan debt crisis is one where
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 16: people just aren't weighing the risks and returns.
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  Speaker 1: Not well, John Coleman. Great to talk to you, and
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  Speaker 1: the book is Good Money. Good Money is available at Amazon,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble bookstores everywhere. Good Money by a good man,
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  Speaker 1: John Coleman. Good to see you again.