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S2 E36 Midday Missing - Drake Lyons Kramer & Natalie Jo Sebastian - Missing in Arizon · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: Well, hello everybody, I am Terry True Crime and welcome
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  Speaker 2: Oh and it.
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  Speaker 1: Looks like we have a lady in gray here. Hello, lig,
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  Speaker 1: I'm struggling here in the background because one of my
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  Speaker 1: amber alerts was removed, so that is good, but there
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  Speaker 1: still is an Amber alert for Sebastian Jones, an eleven
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  Speaker 1: month old Native American male who was taken from Houston
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  Speaker 1: Harris County on July seventeenth. Okay, now, the suspect is
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  Speaker 1: Alena Thornton, who is a twenty five year old Native
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  Speaker 1: American female. Guys, please keep your eyes open. I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's hard with a little baby for them to get
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  Speaker 1: great pictures to put out there. So if you were
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  Speaker 1: in the Houston area and by now, I would say
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  Speaker 1: all of Texas and the surrounding states, please keep your
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  Speaker 1: eyes open. And if you know Alena, please tell her
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  Speaker 1: to do the right thing. Okay, turn herself in and
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  Speaker 1: let's make sure that Sebastian is okay. Okay, Now, guys.
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  Speaker 2: We are headed to Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: And Arizona is often called the copper State, Okay, because
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  Speaker 1: it produces more copper than any other state, which I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know, and I think we all know. It has
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  Speaker 1: a incredible diverse landscape. Now, beyond the iconic cacti and
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  Speaker 1: desert scenery, Arizona contains the largest stand of Ponderosa pine
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  Speaker 1: forest in the world and guys, I have to tell
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  Speaker 1: you those things can go up and flame, so I
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  Speaker 1: hope they're keeping them trimmed. Okay now, Also, they have
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  Speaker 1: more Native American tribal land than any other state.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, It's also one of only a handful of states
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  Speaker 1: where visitors can experience several distinct climate zones within the
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  Speaker 1: single days drive. You can get snow, desert, you can
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  Speaker 1: get it all.
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  Speaker 2: Okay now.
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I don't know if y'all can hear my dogs,
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  Speaker 1: but I guess they want to be heard today. But
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  Speaker 1: as I was saying, the vast and varied terrain can
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  Speaker 1: make missing person investigations especially challenging. Okay Now, according to
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  Speaker 1: the Arizona Department of Public Safety, thousands of missing persons
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  Speaker 1: are reported every year.
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  Speaker 2: Thankfully, most are resolved quickly.
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  Speaker 1: However, they have hundreds of long term cases that remain open,
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  Speaker 1: and it is another reason that we continue to highlight
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  Speaker 1: those cases of those that are still missing. Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: let's get into it, guys. So Drake Lyons Kramer was
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  Speaker 1: twenty years old twenty one years old when he disappeared
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  Speaker 1: from Grand Canyon National Park in ARIZERNI, guys, taken so
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  Speaker 1: many anahistamines that I can't get hydrated anyway. He disappeared
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  Speaker 1: from Grand Canyon National Park in Arizona in early February
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Drake was last seen at the Bright Angel
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  Speaker 1: Lodge on the south rim of the Grand Canyon. He
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  Speaker 1: checked out and that's the last time anyone saw him. Now,
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  Speaker 1: he did leave behind his white two thousand and seven
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  Speaker 1: Mazda with a Texas license plate c SK one seven
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  Speaker 1: sixty seven in the parking lot of the lodge.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now that is very weird. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Drake is described as a white male with brown hair
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  Speaker 1: and blue eyes, standing between five foot six five foot
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  Speaker 1: eight inches tall, weighs one hundred and thirty five to
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and forty five pounds. Now. When he was
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  Speaker 1: last seen, he was wearing a gray and green sweatshirt,
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  Speaker 1: blue jeans, a dark patterned baseball cap worn backwards, and
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  Speaker 1: black Adidas shoes. Now today, Drake would be thirty two
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  Speaker 1: years old. Now. Before his disappearance, Drake unexpectedly left his
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  Speaker 1: home in Texas and sent text messages to family members
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  Speaker 1: explaining the he had first driven to California before continuing
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  Speaker 1: on to the Grand Canyon. Now, this is a place
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  Speaker 1: he had visited several times in the past. Now, his
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  Speaker 1: final text message told his loved ones that he loved
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  Speaker 1: everyone and that he needed to be back with Mother
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  Speaker 1: Earth and set his soul free. Okay, that's an interesting text.
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  Speaker 1: Another message refers to having having to give his body
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  Speaker 1: to Mother Earth. Now. Some reports note he may have
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  Speaker 1: been suicidal at the time of his disappearance, but his
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  Speaker 1: family has publicly disputed that character say, saying that Drake
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  Speaker 1: had been in good spirits before he left, and the
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  Speaker 1: last time that the family saw him was on January
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  Speaker 1: twenty ninth, when they went together to a movie. Now,
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  Speaker 1: his father described Drake as a frugal, hard working young man,
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  Speaker 1: an excellent student, and someone who deeply loved nature. Now.
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  Speaker 1: At the time he disappeared, Drake worked at Low's.
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  Speaker 2: While pursuing his education.
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  Speaker 1: He had earned an associate's degree from Northwest Vista College,
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  Speaker 1: and he had recently transferred to the University of Texas
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  Speaker 1: at San Antonio, where he was studying geology. Now. His
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  Speaker 1: family said it was unusual for him to travel alone
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  Speaker 1: on trips like this, but they did acknowledge that he
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  Speaker 1: was an experienced outdoorsman who, like I said had visited
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  Speaker 1: several times before. Now. An extensive search began almost a
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  Speaker 1: immediately after Drake was reported missing. Now National Park Service rangers,
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  Speaker 1: search and rescue teams, and more than forty personnel searched
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  Speaker 1: the south rim between Hermit's Rest and Grand Viewpoint for
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  Speaker 1: nearly a week. Searchers walked miles along the canyon rim.
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  Speaker 1: They searched heavily wooded areas, They deployed search dogs.
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  Speaker 2: They did, you know, technical.
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  Speaker 1: Rope searches over the canyon's edge, and they repelled into
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  Speaker 1: difficult terrain and also flew multiple aerial reconnaissance missions by helicopter. So, guys,
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  Speaker 1: they looked for him, okay now. The rangers have described
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  Speaker 1: the search area as especially challenging, explaining that while the
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  Speaker 1: room itself is relatively flat, the terrain beyond it quickly
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  Speaker 1: becomes rocky, unstable, and heavily covered with trees, these shrubs,
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  Speaker 1: and steep canyon walls, which makes it extremely difficult for
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  Speaker 1: that search and guys. Despite the massive search effort, in
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  Speaker 1: years of follow up investigations, no confirmed trace of Drake
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  Speaker 1: has ever been found. Investigators have continued to pursue leads,
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  Speaker 1: but no physical evidence or additional clues to narrow the
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  Speaker 1: search down have come in. Okay, Now, I do want
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  Speaker 1: to say anyone with information about Drake Lyons Kramer's disappearance
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  Speaker 1: is urged to contact the National Parks Service Investigations Service
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  Speaker 1: Branch at nine to eight eight.
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  Speaker 2: One, four, three six five two. Guys.
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  Speaker 1: His family deserves and needs answers. Now, I couldn't find
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  Speaker 1: the date of the text messages, but I can't help.
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  Speaker 1: But wonder if they didn't sound like Kim, could somebody
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  Speaker 1: else have sent those text messages? Because we've heard stories
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  Speaker 1: of that before, So I wonder, Okay, I really really wonder.
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  Speaker 1: I'm also going to ask you to be sure to
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  Speaker 1: go to the Midday Missing Facebook page or any of
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  Speaker 1: my Terry true crime social media pages and please share
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  Speaker 1: Drake's missing poster. Okay, let's get the word out there. Okay. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you have a loved one who's missing, or know
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  Speaker 1: upcoming episode of Midday Missing, and family members are also
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  Speaker 1: their loved one and help raise awareness. And you can
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  Speaker 1: email me at Terry T. E r I at tcwtmedia
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  Speaker 1: dot com, or you can reach out to me on
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  Speaker 1: any social media platforms okay now. Natalie Joe Sebastian was
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  Speaker 1: fifty four years old when she vanished from Globe, Arizona
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  Speaker 1: on December twenty third, twenty twenty three, leaving behind a
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  Speaker 1: mystery that continues to.
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  Speaker 2: Haunt her close knit community now.
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  Speaker 1: According to authorities, Natalie was last seen leaving her home
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  Speaker 1: on foot at about four.
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  Speaker 2: Point fifteen in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: She reportedly carried only her driver's license, leaving behind her vehicle,
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  Speaker 1: her purse, medication, and all of her other personal belongings.
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  Speaker 1: And guys, she's never been seen or heard from again.
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  Speaker 1: And guys, I have to say, my first thought is
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  Speaker 1: why was she going for a walk at four am?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I found that interesting. Now today, Natalie is
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  Speaker 1: fifty six years old. She is a white female with
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  Speaker 1: long strawberry blonde hair, hazel eyes, stands about five feet
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  Speaker 1: two inches weighs about one hundred and fifty pounds. Now.
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  Speaker 1: She was believed to be wearing a light colored hooded
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  Speaker 1: longsleeve sweatshirt, blue jeans, and black and white timmy shoes.
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  Speaker 1: Now Natalie was a familiar face throughout globe. Okay. She
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  Speaker 1: worked as a cashier at the local Safeway for twenty years.
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  Speaker 2: Girl, that is a.
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  Speaker 1: Long time, and I love that. Now. In a town
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  Speaker 1: of about seven two hundred people, neighbors know one another, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and you recognize the person from the grocery store, right,
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  Speaker 1: And word traveled quickly about her disappearance, and it drew
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  Speaker 1: some immediate attention. Now. According to her husband, Jerry, the
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  Speaker 1: couple had spent the evening together watching television before going
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  Speaker 1: to bed because it was just two days before Chris.
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  Speaker 1: When he woke up the following morning, Natalie was gone.
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  Speaker 1: He said her disappearance was devastating, especially because she left
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  Speaker 1: without the things she would normally never leave behind and
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  Speaker 1: without telling anyone where she was going. So I have questions, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Did they have a fight, Was she stressed about something?
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  Speaker 1: Did she go for walks often at four am? And
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  Speaker 1: how do you know it was around four am? If
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  Speaker 1: you were in better sleep? I couldn't find Did they
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  Speaker 1: say they saw her on a ring camera, security camera?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, But those are questions I have and
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  Speaker 1: I would love answers. Okay, would love answers, and if
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  Speaker 1: anybody and chat has thoughts on that, I would love
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  Speaker 1: to know because I want to know did they have a.
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  Speaker 2: Fight, because who does that? Two days before Christmas? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, as the investigation unfolds, the Gilla County Sheriff's Office
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  Speaker 1: began to believe Natalie may have been the victim of
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  Speaker 1: foul play. You think, people, you think now. Detective Christopher
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  Speaker 1: McGarty has led the investigation, pursuing, pursuing numerous leads, conducting interviews,
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  Speaker 1: and serving search warrants. Okay, he's the one who also
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  Speaker 1: made sure she was entered in both the state and
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  Speaker 1: national missing person databases.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, during the investigation, he has sought search warrants for
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  Speaker 1: Natalie's phone records, believing that they could provide valuable investigative
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  Speaker 1: leads like maybe she was texting somebody, maybe she was
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  Speaker 1: going to go meet a friend. I don't know. However, though,
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  Speaker 1: the detective has publicly expressed his frustration over the delays
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  Speaker 1: and the privacy related obstacles that they have faced while
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  Speaker 1: attempting to attempting to obtain those records, which, guys, if
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  Speaker 1: y'all remember back when I used to do tips, you
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  Speaker 1: need to leave somebody knowing how to get into your
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  Speaker 1: phone and into all your social media accounts, because it
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  Speaker 1: takes law enforcement sometime to do those search warrants and
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  Speaker 1: get answers back.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now, oh.
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  Speaker 1: Mary said she wondered the same thing, but only because
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  Speaker 1: I used to walk at four am for an hour
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  Speaker 1: and then had to shower and get ready before leaving.
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  Speaker 2: For work at six. But that that normal for her.
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  Speaker 1: See. Okay, first of all, Mary, getting up to go
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  Speaker 1: walking at four am, you are amazing, because I am
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  Speaker 1: not getting up that early to go walking, even if
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  Speaker 1: it's my only time of the day.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So, Jerry also hired private investigator Larry Reeves Rives to
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  Speaker 1: assist in the search for his wife. Rives has worked
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  Speaker 1: alongside law enforcement, coordinating directly with detective majority to avoid
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  Speaker 1: duplicating efforts while following up on leads and conducting interviews.
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  Speaker 2: Now that is good because.
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  Speaker 1: Normally law enforcement doesn't work very close with private investigators.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, investigators have received reported sightings and numerous tips from
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  Speaker 1: the public, but guys, none have led to any trace
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  Speaker 1: of Natalie. Now. Jerry has continued to publicly plead for
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  Speaker 1: information describing the uncertainty surrounding his wife's disappearance as incredibly
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  Speaker 1: difficult for their family. Guys, A loved one going missing
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  Speaker 1: is hard during the holidays.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that would just make it even harder.
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  Speaker 1: Natalie's case remains active, Okay. A five thousand dollars reward
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  Speaker 1: is being offered for information leading to her whereabouts. So
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  Speaker 1: anyone with information about Natalie Joe Sebastian's disappearance is urged
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  Speaker 1: to contact the Gilla County Sheriff's Office at nine two
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  Speaker 1: eight four seven four two two eight. Because, guys, even
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  Speaker 1: the smallest piece of information could be that one detail, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that one detail that finally helps bring answers to those
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  Speaker 1: who continue searching for Natalie. Okay, guys, that, oh I
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  Speaker 1: just can't imagine, right around the holidays, how hard that is.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, don't forget to join our Midday Missing Facebook group.
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  Speaker 1: If you're on Facebook, that is where Drake and Natalie's
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  Speaker 1: missing person posters will be posted. But they are also
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  Speaker 1: posted on my Terry true crime social media pages, so
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  Speaker 1: please share them, Okay. It truly means a lot to
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  Speaker 1: the families.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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