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Ruta's Closet From Keith Morgan Unpredictable Compassionate Reality In Repeat Mode And More · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 2: Hello, there is Keith Morgan and Vancouver.
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  Speaker 1: Keith. Listen to that voice. My god, you've been blessed.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it happens that moved to Canada and didn't watch
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  Speaker 2: the radio that does it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm wondering why you're speaking in tune. That explains it
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  Speaker 1: right there, man, Because people always say, oh man, you've
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  Speaker 1: got the voice, you guy. It's not my voice. That's
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  Speaker 1: the consultant that sat with me, that's the program director
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  Speaker 1: that sat with me. Well, then what led you to
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  Speaker 1: sharing stories by way of books? Then? Is it because
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  Speaker 1: you were on the air and you just had that
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  Speaker 1: urge to go even deeper into the real source of
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  Speaker 1: the story.
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  Speaker 2: No, it was because I was actually a newspaper reporter
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  Speaker 2: and I did the radio stuff as a bit of extra,
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  Speaker 2: you know. I was a crime reporter actually and for
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  Speaker 2: many many years. And my boss came to me and said,
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  Speaker 2: I'd like you to start writing about your neighbors, you know,
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  Speaker 2: people who make a difference in life. And one of
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  Speaker 2: my first interviews was Ruth, Ruth Krohn Siegel or Ruta
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  Speaker 2: as she was known in a wartime and a story
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  Speaker 2: just captivated me so much much, and I thought, ah,
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  Speaker 2: this is the one I need to do.
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  Speaker 1: This is a story that she's held on to for
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  Speaker 1: fifty plus years. I mean, how are you able to
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  Speaker 1: build up that kind of trust with Ruda in the
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  Speaker 1: way where she was now going to let you inside
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  Speaker 1: her depth of thought?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that was interesting. I went to her what I'd
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  Speaker 2: heard she was speaking to youngsters, you know, high school
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  Speaker 2: kids about her experience, and I just listened, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in the way you do, and she started to unravel
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  Speaker 2: the story. You know, she'd been doing it then for
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years with high school students, and she
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  Speaker 2: was motivated after all those years by you know, really
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  Speaker 2: what was what had happened in the Balkans, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in ninety two, you know, and then ninety four wonder
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  Speaker 2: and she thought about it, and you know, gradually thought, no,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I need to tell my story because it's
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  Speaker 2: got so many messages so warning for the future, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know the old line about you know, don't let
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  Speaker 2: history repeat itself. And she did and I was just
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  Speaker 2: so moved by her story. And you know what, as
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  Speaker 2: a crime guy, you know, not a criminal, but a
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  Speaker 2: crime coverage guy, you know, I launched on to some
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  Speaker 2: of the dramatic side of this story. How could so
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  Speaker 2: many things happen to just one family and they survive,
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  Speaker 2: you know, And so it was becoming clear that I
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  Speaker 2: should do that around something in the paper. And then
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  Speaker 2: one morning I thought, there's a book, and I should
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  Speaker 2: do it because she has so many stories to tell
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  Speaker 2: and we can learn from it. And I also realized that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, young folks were very distant from the war,
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  Speaker 2: and I need to understand and be on the lookout
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  Speaker 2: for the kind of thing happening again. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: old saying is never again. But you look around this world,
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  Speaker 2: don't you. And you see all kinds of things happening
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  Speaker 2: in different countries, power grabs and this that and the other,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and there's then there are victims, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: and that's that's what's that was what motivated me.
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  Speaker 1: And see, I was gonna I was going to compliment
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  Speaker 1: you in the biggest way by saying, you know, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for putting us in the schools, because in reality,
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  Speaker 1: what do we have when we're in high school or
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  Speaker 1: even in middle school? And that is just the story
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  Speaker 1: of Anne Frank And I think that Rudi's story really
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  Speaker 1: gives us even a more in depth personal like like
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  Speaker 1: what happens if it does happen again? And then one
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  Speaker 1: look at the world today, we can probably finally get
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  Speaker 1: these younger people to understand this is the real deal.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to start paying attention somewhere, learn from those
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  Speaker 1: who have been there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I that's the way that was
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  Speaker 2: my approach. I thought there's a family story here that
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  Speaker 2: people youngsters and parents can relate to. And I knew
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  Speaker 2: that when I told it fully that they would start
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  Speaker 2: to relate to and that parents would say to themselves,
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  Speaker 2: what would I do in this situation? Yes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and then and but what I wanted to do also
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  Speaker 2: because you know, we all know about well most of
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  Speaker 2: us know about what happened in the war, we know
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  Speaker 2: about the camps, we know what happened. But this story,
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  Speaker 2: what I did was, yes, the focus is the family,
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  Speaker 2: but what I wanted to do was tell the wider
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  Speaker 2: story of living in a ghetto, you know, what happened
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  Speaker 2: on a daily basis. And then in doing that, I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to tell the story of the wider story of Lithuania,
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  Speaker 2: which really has been ignored by most people. No less
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  Speaker 2: a scholar than Sammartin Gilbert, who became a mentor to me,
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  Speaker 2: told me that we really had to do this because
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  Speaker 2: he said, you know, over ninety five percent of the
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  Speaker 2: Jewish population was murdered. Ninety five percent. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 2: the highest in Europe. And so I wanted to get
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  Speaker 2: into that because what it talks about is neighbors, neighbors
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  Speaker 2: who helped, neighbors who ignored it, and neighbors who took
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  Speaker 2: part and collaborated in the killing of the Jews. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's a hard story and there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of a lot of events in it, which you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a believer in this where you know, traditionally
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  Speaker 2: or media today says, you know, trigger warnings. No, I
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  Speaker 2: want to tell I wanted to tell people what really happened.
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  Speaker 2: And you mentioned, you know about children. I mean, there
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  Speaker 2: was a report just this past week out of Britain
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  Speaker 2: where they said that anti Semitic aptitudes have surged among
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  Speaker 2: eighteen to twenty four year olds, you know, the classic tropes.
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  Speaker 2: And then last year the number of number of schools
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  Speaker 2: taking part marketing Holocaust Memorial Day was down by sixty percent. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean that's why I worked with the Vancouver Holocaust
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  Speaker 2: Education Center here and they developed a high school teacher
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  Speaker 2: guide to the book, which is really good. And then
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  Speaker 2: I said, well, so why don't we do one for
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  Speaker 2: you know, kind of a talking points for book clubs,
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  Speaker 2: because this is an ideal book club book. You know,
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  Speaker 2: there's so much happening and you can try to relate
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  Speaker 2: to it. So they did that too, and that's that's
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  Speaker 2: available on the Routers Closet website. So you know, this
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  Speaker 2: is a global release now you know, we did. I
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  Speaker 2: did something some years ago for the Holocaust Center as
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  Speaker 2: a kind of a thing within within Vancouver, but this
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  Speaker 2: is the first time it's been available globally. It's in
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  Speaker 2: every format. I even recorded an audio book. I did
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  Speaker 2: it myself, did that and had a fabulous producer who's
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  Speaker 2: brought it to life with you know, with effects and music.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, we're we're hoping building on the website
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  Speaker 2: to generate more more awareness in in the Holocaust. And
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  Speaker 2: as I said earlier, the messages that we can learn,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I you know, I often when I signed books,
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  Speaker 2: I always write in you know, a story, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a lesson to be learned from yesterday today, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: and then I'm remembered in the future. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that's exactly what this is. And I'm glad you really
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  Speaker 2: picked up on. This is a story that you know,
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  Speaker 2: you get right into the family and it can relate
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  Speaker 2: to it.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Keith Morgan coming
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  Speaker 1: up next the name of the book Rudi's Closet. We
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  Speaker 1: are back with journalists and author Keith Morgan. I cheered
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  Speaker 1: for you in so many ways, because when when I
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  Speaker 1: know about journalism. And I know where we've been because
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  Speaker 1: we've been through the ranks of working for these major corporations.
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  Speaker 1: But when you get a chance like this Keith to
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  Speaker 1: write a real, honest to God's story, and then of
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  Speaker 1: course you put in their empathy, sympathy, compassion. And I
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  Speaker 1: read these stories about doctors that actually, you know, they
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  Speaker 1: they drop down, you know, they they got rid of
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  Speaker 1: the judgment call and they would help out other SS soldiers.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, we don't hear of those stories because
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  Speaker 1: nobody wants us to know that there still is humanism
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  Speaker 1: in war and that we can have that empathy for
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  Speaker 1: each other and still love all people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to tell you one story that I
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  Speaker 2: think you will find fascinating. When I went to Lithuania
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  Speaker 2: with Ruth to to meet with the rescuer, she you know,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm saying, she said, it's a sweet old lady Rush,
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  Speaker 2: you know, And I said, so, well, you know, why
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  Speaker 2: did you do this? And she just looked at me
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  Speaker 2: and said, well, it was the right thing to.
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  Speaker 1: Do, see all.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what when she told me that, she
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  Speaker 2: told me and told me a little few details here
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  Speaker 2: and there, but I still felt she was holding back
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  Speaker 2: a little all. The translator that was with me said,
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  Speaker 2: the reason is because on this street where she lives,
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  Speaker 2: our neighbors still alive who collaborated, and she is frightened
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  Speaker 2: that they learned that she had rescued Jews, they'd come
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  Speaker 2: after her in this century. It is a part of
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  Speaker 2: the century. The next time I went. Next time, I
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  Speaker 2: went to see her a few years later. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they've been they'd been independent of Russia for them by
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  Speaker 2: a few years. And she talked a lot more and
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  Speaker 2: told me a lot more. But I thought, can you imagine,
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  Speaker 2: you know, she said, she used to sit out on
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  Speaker 2: the backstep there, you know, in the summer, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: for a nice, peaceful summer drink. We know we can
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  Speaker 2: all relate to that. And she could hear gunfire and
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  Speaker 2: it was mass murders going on in the forest just
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  Speaker 2: a few yards away, and mass graves being created. This
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  Speaker 2: woman and her husband risked their entire family to save Ruth.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I thought about how that seems, and thought, oh,
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  Speaker 2: would I do And you know what, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'd hope i'd do the right thing like she did.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, it's a tough one because the fact
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  Speaker 2: is that doing what she did, her husband was a
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  Speaker 2: nice school teacher and had lived in a nice little
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  Speaker 2: schoolhouse area, and she could have just done nothing for
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  Speaker 2: the entire war and would have survived, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: no problem. But she didn't. She made a choice. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's just it's, you know, that's powerful stuff, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's one of the points that people pick out when
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  Speaker 2: they've read it, and I've seen reviews and people have
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  Speaker 2: read it. To me, it's those moments that really caused
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  Speaker 2: people to think.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you know, one of the things that I
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  Speaker 1: picked up on right away is I never heard the
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  Speaker 1: term why me. I didn't hear that. I didn't pick
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  Speaker 1: up on that at all. And I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I've shut that out, but I swear to God, you
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  Speaker 1: didn't that why me? Because I would be asking that
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  Speaker 1: question why me?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's uh yeah. I mean.
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  Speaker 2: The interesting thing is, you know, you know, I talk
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  Speaker 2: about the messages and warnings it delivers, but it yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you you lead on there, It also opposes
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  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of questions, doesn't it, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: to the reader, Yeah, what would I have done? Why
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  Speaker 2: would that have been me that would be the victim,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It just it comesres up
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  Speaker 2: those things. I mean, That's why I was so detailed
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  Speaker 2: in doing it. And I'm going to tell you when
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  Speaker 2: I started doing interviews around the world, I found other survivors,
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  Speaker 2: you know, who witnessed the same activity within the ghetto,
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  Speaker 2: and I was I found myself telling them stories about
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  Speaker 2: their ghetto they didn't know. Like the woman who I
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  Speaker 2: a survivor I viewed, was convinced that during the Kinder action,
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  Speaker 2: when they took all those hundreds of child children out
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  Speaker 2: of the ghetto, put them on a train and send
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  Speaker 2: them to Houschwitz, and you know what happened there, she
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  Speaker 2: was convinced. She was convinced that her daughter was actually free,
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  Speaker 2: and her daughter was the one who was taken off
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  Speaker 2: the back of the truck and saved. She didn't and
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  Speaker 2: then many many years later, of course, it wasn't many
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  Speaker 2: years later. She was in hiding and Ruth went to
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  Speaker 2: her to a place in hiding Shong. She was sent
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  Speaker 2: there for a night for safety because they heard the
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  Speaker 2: Germans were coming around. She went there and this woman
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  Speaker 2: looked after Ruth. She didn't realize until fifty plus years later,
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  Speaker 2: when I saw that that was the young girl that
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  Speaker 2: she thought was her daughter, the one who'd have been
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  Speaker 2: less set for it. She never realized that she and
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  Speaker 2: her eyes just completely glazed over, and I knew she
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  Speaker 2: was thinking back, No, it was my daughter that was saved,
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  Speaker 2: you know, And how could this young girl here been
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  Speaker 2: my care of me not realize you know, it was
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  Speaker 2: the one who was saved, you know. And this happened
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  Speaker 2: time and time again. I would go and then I
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  Speaker 2: found you know, as you know, one of the stories
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  Speaker 2: is about the where they substituted bodies to save a
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  Speaker 2: young guy. I mean, remarkable story, you know, and what
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  Speaker 2: you know the I mean, think about this. That doctor
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  Speaker 2: he killed somebody did to save this youngster, and he
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  Speaker 2: killed somebody because the family said this kid that they
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  Speaker 2: managed to smuggle into the ghetto. He came to me
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  Speaker 2: and said, you know, he's lived two years longer than
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  Speaker 2: he would have lived. He can't speak, is completely, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as the term was at the time, retarded. He couldn't
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  Speaker 2: do anything, and they consented to sacrifice their child. Well
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  Speaker 2: guess what happened. I found stories from that family saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: we never knew what happened to our brother? Yeah, I do,
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  Speaker 2: you know? And he became the substitute for somebody they
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  Speaker 2: didn't know to this day, they didn't know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: So that these stories going along another revelation. You know
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  Speaker 2: the story of Teshovich, you know, the uncle, the doctor
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  Speaker 2: who was the head of the ghetto and all of
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  Speaker 2: the stuff he did with Oh dear, well he I
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  Speaker 2: came to New Yorker a few years ago and I
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  Speaker 2: was talking to his niece and she said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've learned things about my uncle. I didn't know until
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  Speaker 2: I read your book. And I said really, She said, well,
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  Speaker 2: think about this. She said, pop were basically involved in
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  Speaker 2: some killings. And at the end of the ghetto, when
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  Speaker 2: they all split the ghetto, the stories were that they
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  Speaker 2: the Germans would just burned down the local clinics with
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  Speaker 2: everybody in there, and he took the decision to put
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  Speaker 2: them to death those that were there, rather than suffer
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  Speaker 2: the fire, the flames, he said. She said, can you
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  Speaker 2: imagine he came to the USA and he started being
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  Speaker 2: a doctor again. He said, If they don't know that,
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  Speaker 2: he said, relevant, what why he did it and why
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  Speaker 2: it was with the consent of family? They would say, oh, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you can't be a doctor. You killed people. And he
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  Speaker 2: carried that to his grave. I mean, it tortured him.
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  Speaker 2: He knew he'd done the right thing, but it tortured
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  Speaker 2: him for the rest of his life. And cousin, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm telling this to it, you know, basically a member
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  Speaker 2: of the family and absolutely stunned. But those happen, and well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you've seen all the way through the book
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  Speaker 2: there are things like that happening. I mean mention being
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  Speaker 2: seven years old or six years old, as Ruth was,
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  Speaker 2: and being taken to a public execution and being forced
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  Speaker 2: to watch it. I mean, you know, no, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: it's it's crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know about what you I want to
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  Speaker 1: know more about how you have handled this because all
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  Speaker 1: of that was just dumped onto your heart and you
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  Speaker 1: had to put a book together and then you had
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  Speaker 1: to go through the editing process. I mean, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, you've got all of these stories and experiences
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  Speaker 1: and they're all tucked right here in your chest. Dude.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, well, you know, and because I look,
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  Speaker 2: I looked at my children at the time, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: and now my grandchildren, and I think my goodness, you know. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it hit me, but you know, I always
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  Speaker 2: I back in my youth, you know, good old British schoolboy.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we learned lots of history, and we did
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  Speaker 2: all the World War stuff. And my Jewish colleagues, pupils
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  Speaker 2: in school, friends of mine, told me a very different
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  Speaker 2: story about the war. They talked about lost relatives, people
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  Speaker 2: who died in the gas chambers. And I said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as a youngster, I said, about fifteen or sixteen, I said,
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  Speaker 2: one of these days, I'll write some things. I'll do
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  Speaker 2: something significant about this that tells their story. And the
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  Speaker 2: years went by in newspapers, and finally that opportunity came
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  Speaker 2: in Ruth, and I thought, this is it. I have
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  Speaker 2: to do this. I promised I would. And then and then,
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  Speaker 2: you know, as sadly as you know, Ruth died of cancer.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, just before she died, she saw the
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  Speaker 2: rough draft and approved everything. And then she looked at
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  Speaker 2: me and the way I was used to by then,
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  Speaker 2: and she looked to me in the eyes and said,
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  Speaker 2: you will carry on telling my story, won't you. Yep?
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  Speaker 2: And so I have, And now you know, we got
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  Speaker 2: with the ruversploset dot com has got lots of information
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: about it, and we planned to use that as a
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: vehicle for telling more stories and doing educational things. You know,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I too, will be doing a podcast probably next year
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: in which we will interview folks and we'll try to
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: build awareness on that basis, and then who knows what
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: will come next. You know, We're looking at many different ways.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I've got this incredible producer and we're looking at all
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: kinds of different ways. I just have to keep on
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: living myself, you know, to do all of this. But
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I've got lots of enthusiasm to do it and good
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: support from everybody around me, so I'll just carry on
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Are we going to see the book at well, here
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: in Charlotte, it would be Shalom Park. Are we going
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: to see it inside the shopping areas of Shalom Park
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: or these other other communities where you were, you know,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: where you know, darn good and well, the families are
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: still affected by the effects of this war, and I
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: just think that, you know, I would love to just
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: go and just listen and talk with people, especially like
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: at Shalom Park, just about this book, because it's going
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: to be an eye opener. But at the same time,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: my god, I think it's going to create peace because
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: this way they're going to say my assumption, my assumption
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: is over.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm just beginning now to do the kind of
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: uh you know, the promotional side of this in the US.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: You know, I've studied that one of the first so
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: we are pursuing that. I mean, right now, it's available.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: You know, if book clubs, if sorry, if books don't
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: want to order it, they can. It's no problem. It's
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: now we're in the days of print on demand, right
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: but you know, it's available on all the usual sites.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: You know, it's available as an ebook, a hard book,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: and of course, as I said, an audio book. So
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: it is widely available. And it's interesting since I started
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: doing these these pods in the in the US, I'm
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: starting to watch you know, orders going, so clearly it's
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: having some effect and and I hope it will. But
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: the challenge was I was going to do a book
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: tour in the US, but you know, it's it's a
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: tough time right now, and so I you know, we've
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: decided I probably will come and do something, probably based
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: in New York, and do our do a sort of
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: a live YouTube zoom video type of thing, because you
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: know this message, you know, doing a few books, you know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: a few a few places, you know, it needs to
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: get out widely, you know, So I you know I'm
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: going to do in the next year. I will do
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: as much as as I can in in that way.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean we and I am trying to
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: sort of target certain areas to who you know, they
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: were there as a history. And of course there are
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: there are many Holocaust memorial centers and museums throughout the US,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: so you know, gradually I'm getting to all of them
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: and letting putting the word out. You know, there are many,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: as you know, there are many hollow cost bios. But
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I think we I think in doing it in a
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: way I did it, this is more comprehensive. You know.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: They tend to be you know, like I'm frank you
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: mentioned wonderful stuff, but very much focused on her experience,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: whereas I've tried to broaden it because that's the I want.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I wanted people to think about it and say, what
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: would I do? You know, And so it is it
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: is different in that way. I mean, they're all valuable,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: all of these bios. But I think this is set apart.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: And you know, I've already had people, reviewers in fact,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: coming back to me and saying this should be a
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Netflix series because it's so gone dramatic, you know, And
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I said, well, I'm hoping that during them doing all
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: the podcasts and that in the US I've done some
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: radio shows, somebody will say, oh, that would make a
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: good series, because it would. I mean, it's just so dramatic.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: So you know, we're hoping and we're will pursue. We'll
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: both pursue that as well, so limitless opportunities. But oh boy,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: do we ever have to get the word out. I mean,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I just see the rise in anti Semitic attacks all
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: around the world. It's just, you know, I keep saying,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: you know, not that, you know, And of course the
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: issue is come running into problems with traditional media who say, oh,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: oh no, I think, no, I don't want to cover that,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: and you know, with what's going on in Gaza, and
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I keep saying, no, no, no, this is a message,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: you know, and you can't, you know, you can't victimize
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: every Jew in the world for what one nation does
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: it go? Current nation? You know, it's you know, I
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: see it in Vancouver. You know that my lawyer is
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Jewish and you know he had to close up shop
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: for a week because of the threats. This is crazy,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: you know, crazy stuff, you know, So I want to
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: make sure that you know, message continues to get out
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: of there. I know there are other people grap with that,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: many are, but this is one means of doing it,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: and I want them to see the you know, the
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: human side of this and relate it to to what's
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: happening today and we hope doesn't happen tomorrow.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Of course, Well that means we get to talk a
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: lot more, because I'm that type of person that believes
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: that just because we're talking today doesn't mean the story
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: is over. And I am very serious when I say,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you've got to come back to this show and we've
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: got to keep this growing forward because I know that
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: every time we get together, you're going to bring me
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: a fresh new story and and and the reason why
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and the purpose and the plan and and the outreach
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: that that that you have here.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. I'm so pleased that you've
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: you know, taken the time to devote to this and
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: clearly have read it and understand what I'm doing. Uh,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: And yeah you can, you can. I am a storyteller,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: so you can be assured, you know, and things happen
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: as I'm going along, you know. I oh, that was
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: my great uncle or you know, something like that. So
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, please stay in touch. You know where
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: to get hold of me, and I'd be only too
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: pleased to talk to you again and tell you how
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: it's going.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I love that, And until then, please be brilliant today. Okay, sir,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: thank
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: You so much