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MLB talk with Matt Snyder, Scott Docthterman talks College Football & Trent's Picks presented by Circa Sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  I'm Millory Condon, welcome back our number 2, the Iowa Sports
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  Radio Network. Trent Condon and Ken Miller with
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  you until two at 2 off the bench.
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  Sean Roberts, Lucas Strain take you until 5:00.
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  Scott, Dr. Man coming up toward the bottom of the hour from the
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  Athletic. Trent's Plays of the day.
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  Circus sports sponsor. Those still to come about 10
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  minutes or so before 2. Here's Matt Snyder and his
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  weekly spot to talk MLB. Matt Trenton, Ken, watching
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  Sunday Night Baseball last night when Ron Banford dropped it.
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  Well, a couple of bombs, quite honestly, sounds like ESPN is
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  not out of the running for the television rights as to where
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  they're going to go. When that looked like it was
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  headed for divorce, which is good to see.
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  But then the realignment and the expansion, that really moved my
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  needle, especially the realignment once expansion
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  happens and it's too early to, you know, to kind of get excited
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  as to what they may look like. But that never stopped us from
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  doing just that. What did you think when you
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  heard that? Were you surprised?
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  Not not completely shocked. I mean, I'm surprised that he
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  that as much as he did about it. He's normally a little closer to
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  the vest with with big decisions like that.
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  But my colleagues and I've been talking about for for the last
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  several years that it's been the longest Major League Baseball
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  has ever taken without expansion in a long, long, long time.
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  I mean, it's the the Diamondbacks and the Rays,
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  right? Because those Rockies Marlins,
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  yeah, Diamondbacks and the Rays are the two newest team.
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  And that that happened in the 90s.
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  So it's been a long, long time and the the game's healthy
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  enough right now. We we've known for a long time
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  that the the Tampa Bay slash Tampa and whatever the A's are
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  going to do stayed in situations, had to be resolved
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  before they started talking about two new teams.
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  But those are at least down the road a little bit.
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  So yeah, and we kind of knew it was coming with that.
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  You're going to have to realign because we've got 6 divisions of
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  five and if you had two more teams, you're not going to have
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  a number that works there. So you're going to need to go to
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  8 divisions of four somehow. I obviously am good with the
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  realignment on the divisions. I see plans bouncing around that
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  completely abandoned the American League and National
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  League and that makes me want to throw a fit that is not OK with
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  me on the tradition side. I I think there are ways to, for
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  example, we're kind of in the Central, let's stick with
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  National League Central. It's really easy to keep the
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  Cubs, Brewers, Cardinals and Reds together and then just say
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  we'll send the Pirates elsewhere.
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  It's really, you can probably do that with every division.
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  Sometimes it'll be too. But like you're, you're not
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  going to get me on on board with the plan ever that will separate
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  the cousin Cardinals or Dodgers and Giants or like Yankees and
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  Red Sox. You're just not going to get me
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  on board that. And you're also not going to get
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  me on board with Yankees and Mets in the same division, Cubs
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  and White Sox in the same division.
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  You're not going to get me on board with those.
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  You're just not. So you got to help me out here,
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  because as I'm looking at this and I'm looking at proposals
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  that are out there, why do we need the American League in the
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  National League anymore? Help me out, Matt Snyder,
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  because you're gonna have to sway me on this one.
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  It sounds like you're ready to dig in your heels.
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  Why do we still need the ALNNL? Because of the traditions, I
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  mean, and and you know, they've realigned other sports a lot,
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  for example, the NFL. And while some teams switch and
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  you don't get used to it, like what we're used to the Brewers
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  in the National League now we're used to the S of the American
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  League. Now again, for me at least, and
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  mileage will vary. And I'm not trying to suggest
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  everybody has to agree with me. So I guess I'm not doing a great
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  job. I'm trying to tell you, but for
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  me, there is too much history with, for example, the Yankees
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  in the American League, the Cardinals in the National
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  League. There's just too much history
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  there to all of a sudden abandoned that and have
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  something like an Eastern Conference and a Western
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  Conference. And, and frankly, that would
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  make it seem like we're like copying the NBA or something
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  like that. And one of the great things
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  about baseball for so many years has been the American League and
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  National League split. And I know the lines bored now
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  because there's an early play, there's a universal DH, But for
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  me, it's the history and the traditions and gosh, we lose so
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  much of it and so many sports, college, college sports with
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  the, the conferences getting all torn up and everything and
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  expanding so big. Like I, I just, there's too much
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  history and tradition for me with too many of the teams to to
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  get to just get rid of the leagues all together.
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  I can only think of one NFL team that that switched conferences.
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  Seahawks, right? AFC West, the National League.
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  I think that's. Yeah, and yeah.
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  And in baseball, I know, like I said, we've done it with the
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  Astros and the Brewers, and I feel like there's a lot of teams
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  where you could get away with it.
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  If you look at the expansion teams, like if the Rays or the
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  Marlins or the Diamondbacks or the Rockies, which leagues, I
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  don't know if anybody would freak out about that.
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  But I'm just like, if you go to the original teams and you think
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  about like if the Giants and Dodgers were all of a sudden not
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  National League teams or the Red Sox were not an American League
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  team, I just, I'm not OK with that.
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  What do you like for expansion candidates?
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  What cities? We've heard a lot about Portland
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  over the years, and I think I would like to see every year
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  whenever somebody does like the teams that travel the most
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  miles, the Mariners just get hammered on travel.
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  It'd be nice to give the Mariners a competitor sitting
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  right there. So I'm big on Portland.
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  I've seen Salt Lake City, That makes sense.
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  I've seen Nashville that that one's interesting because I feel
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  like Nashville is one of those that's really, really growing
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  and the appetite for professional sports is going
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  there. But I also feel like it's like
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  half Cardinals, half Brave country.
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  And sometimes it's hard to to dig into those fan bases.
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  For example, I live in the Indianapolis area and I can tell
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  you while we have the Pacers and Colts and do a pretty good job
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  supporting them for being a relatively small market, we
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  cannot talk about Major League Baseball here because there are
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  far too many die hard Cubs fans. And then you also have die hard
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  Reds fans. You have some Cardinals, you
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  have some white. It sucks.
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  I don't know if you could ever get the city fully behind
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  A-Team. It would take decades because
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  there's just too many die hard Cubs fans here.
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  So at Nashville, I wonder because I feel like there's just
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  so much Braves and Cardinals there.
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  You know, you hear the Charlotte area again.
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  It feels like Braves country, but I don't know.
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  It's I know it's it's good at supporting professional sports
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  teams, at least has been recently.
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  I know they lost the Hornets originally.
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  Those are a few, just a few bouncing around in there.
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  No Montreal. The thing is they already it
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  already didn't work but it's been so long ago.
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  If they actually built a stadium and I'm not that well versed on
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  the layout but I guess downtown. Downtown, Yeah, was far away
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  from downtown and now they would build 1 downtown.
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  I'd be open to it. But I feel like, you know, there
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  will always be cities that give a presentation, right?
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  I feel like they would have to blow their presentation away and
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  be exponentially better than everybody else.
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  Let's go to Owen Casey or so. Were you surprised that Craig
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  Council did not play? I get the Friday thing after,
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  you know, no sleep, getting to Toronto and then not playing him
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  on front. That was on Thursday and then
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  not playing him on Friday. But I'm shocked that he sat his
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  with his butt glued to the bench for that remainder of time.
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  What about Owen in case were you shot with counsel?
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  I'm surprised at how it went down.
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  You know, like you promote him and then you play him once and
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  he struck the ball well all day. I mean, he had good cuts.
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  He hit the ball hard. I'm surprised you don't try to
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  keep him in there. I understand when he says like,
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  we're going to play the best players.
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  And while Kyle Tucker and Saya Suzuki and before this weekend,
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  peak Armstrong had been really, really scuffling and going
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  through it, it would be really, really insane to believe that
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  Casey is a better player than all three right now.
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  And he has to play while the other guys that and you're
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  trying to get Tucker going. If you have matchups where you
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  think he has a chance to bounce back, I think you have to leave
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  him in there. I, I, I'm surprised with how it
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  went down. But in terms of the specific
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  decision making, I guess I'm saying I don't really blame
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  council, especially like when Tucker went 2 for four on
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  Saturday. Of course you have to run him
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  back out there Sunday and hope he gets a couple more hits.
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  And then mentally he thinks, OK, now I'm going right.
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  Pete looked good all weekend. I, I understand, I understand
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  why he did it in the individual games.
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  I'm just surprised that you're going to promote a guy and then
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  he gets good cuts and then you just don't play him.
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  The Bluebirds are out for Kyle Tucker you mentioned.
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  Yeah. He he's had a few moments, but
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  they're so few and far between. Do you have the belief that this
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  is something where a couple weeks off can even help or is it
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  just at this point now as the division depending on what
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  happens these next four days very well could be lost that
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  even 2 weeks off is not going to be enough to kind of cure of
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  what ails. Where are you with Kyle Tucker
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  overall? My colleague Mike XD said did a
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  really good deep dive on Tucker today and and it was
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  illuminating here. First of all, when the finger
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  injury, it was like the first, it was June 1st, I believe it
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  was. If you went to it, it splits and
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  looked his best month was June. And if the finger injury
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  happened June 1st and his best, best month was June, I don't
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  know how we're blaming the finger injury for falling apart
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  after June. I just don't.
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  So I, I don't know if he just would need to clear his head,
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  but certainly two weeks seems excessive to me because then you
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  might have to go on a minor league rehab assignment to get
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  your feedback going. A couple of days what would make
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  some sense I I also am not totally averse to letting him
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  play through it and assuming that he's too good of a player
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  he's still in his prime age. He's going to get get it back
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  somehow even though it's been six weeks I mean, it's been
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  terrible, terrible six weeks, probably the longest stretch of
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  his career where he's been this bad.
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  But there have been other 30 game stretches where he was
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  about this bad as as my colleague Mike pointed out in
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  his article today and he always broke out of it.
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  So that's one of the many reasons why I totally, I
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  understand council sticking with him yesterday, for example, is
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  he got the two ground ball hits on Saturday, but it's mentally
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  that kicks something loose in there and he thinks, OK, now I'm
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  back. You got to keep him in the
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  lineup. He's too talented and if you go
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  back to when the Cubs were one of the best offenses of
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  baseball, the main reasons were because Tucker Suzuki and PCA
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  hitting well. And you've just got to believe
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  that they're all going to break out of it at some point.
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  And it's probably if they do, it's all going to line up and
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  they're all going to get hot again at the same time.
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  So I think I would just keep running them out there.
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  I don't think I would. I would shut them down or
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  anything. Who are the real LA Dodgers?
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  The team that got swept by the Angels of the Sweet, The team
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  that swept the Padres? I mean, I, I, I don't know what
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  to make of it. Is is the guy's got a whole
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  bunch of Dodgers futures. I was glad to see them beating
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  the Padres, but I'm not so sure I'm buying into it.
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  What, what, What did we learn this weekend about those two NL
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  West leaders? I think the Padres got little
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  brother again, didn't they? It was just anytime they get too
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  hot, the Dodgers just knock them back down.
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  If you they no, no, no, no, you don't, you're not good enough
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  for this. The Dodgers are definitely
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  better. They're definitely going to win
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  the division. We'll see come playoffs which
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  team shows up because they've been before that Padres series.
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  They've been really stuffling since the start of July.
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  Really. There was something like 12 and
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  21 in their previous 33 before getting before sweeping the
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  Padres there. And for a lot of the early part
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  of the season, it was, well, they're just so they're just so
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  banged up. They're just so injured.
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  They are pretty. Healthy like they got Max Muncie
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  back, they got Blake Snell back, they got Taylor Glass now back.
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  Clayton Kershaw is totally sign. Shohei Otani on the bound is
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  working his way up. You would have thought this is
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  when they went into Terminator mode and they built that eight
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  game lead and then they just went to it all away.
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  It still feels possible, right? It feels like they could play
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  the rest of the season the way that the Brewers have been since
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  early July, is it? And they could just flip a
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  switch and be that good. And then if that's the case, I
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  would say maybe they got bored with the regular season.
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  Like if you're so much better than everybody else, it it can
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  happen. No, no doubt.
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  I think it was Friday when you mentioned Clayton Kershaw.
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  I want to go back there because just I can't tell you how many
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  times in the last couple of years of just this guy's washed.
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  This guy's washed. But man, he was so good on
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  Friday night. Looks like he's like he's not,
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  he's not the the Kershaw that just dominated the league.
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  But boy, oh boy, the the Dodgers are going to need him for the
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  stretch running into the playoffs.
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  And you know when you watch him, he's still got it.
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  Yeah, it's funny how much slower he throws now.
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  He's one of the softest tossers in the league.
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  It's like Rich Hill up there accepted better.
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  He just. Yeah, he just has so much know
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  how as a pitcher. And.
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  And that was one of the things that when he was prime Kershaw,
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  when he was an absolute machine, it was that he was always
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  cerebral. He knew how to set guys up, how
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  to carve them up. He was so good on the mental
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  side, but his physical tools were that great, too.
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  And it was a combination of that that made him just an absolute
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  monster. Well, we're seeing the mental
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  part of it now and he still has enough to get it up there 899091
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  But it's mostly just because he has that know how.
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  And as long as he's feeling good, he's going to be able to
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  to give you outings like that. I don't know about consistently
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  the rest of the season. I still don't trust.
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  It's hard to trust. Like he's definitely not going
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  to get hurt the rest of the year or in the playoffs.
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  You can't really trust that. But as long as he's healthy,
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  it's not surprising to see him go up there.
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  Throw up zeros for five. 6th inning.
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  The Royals did what they're supposed to over the weekend.
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  You beat up the crappy White Sox.
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  That's what you're supposed to do.
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  I looked at this, though. We know all season long it's
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  been an offensive issue. A lot of guys starting to heat
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  up. Over the last 30 days, the
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  Royals have scored the fifth most runs in Major League
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  Baseball. I mean, unthinkable, right?
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  But that's what they are right now.
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  They're above 500. Still quite a bit of work to do
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  to get back into the playoff mix and and chasing, obviously the
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  Yankees. Can you buy it, though, that the
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  Royals have a final push here over the last six weeks?
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  I could, yeah. Four games out of a playoff spot
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  right now, the Yankees haven't exactly been reliable now that
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  it won five or six last week. So maybe the things are feeling
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  good again. Again, Mariners, Not I, I, I
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  like the Mariners. I think they'll win the West,
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  but they're not exactly reliable.
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  The Astros, I don't think we can feel like they're reliable.
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  The Red Sox, they're not reliable.
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  It feels like there's a decent chance, and I don't know which
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  one, but there's a decent chance one of those four would have a
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  backslide and then the Royals would have a chance to run them
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  down. I know the Guardians are in
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  between them, but it's only 1/2 game and I I don't.
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  I think the Guardians, they were playing too well and their
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  regression started last week. Hey, I don't think I'm going to
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  be catching my Royals win the AL Central ticket or anything like
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  that, but I they have a chance to sneak into the playoffs here.
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  It's going to be very, very interesting that the offense was
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  a big problem earlier in the year, especially at home.
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  They couldn't score runs at home to save their lives, but now all
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  of a sudden they're hitting. So hey, we'll see.
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  What's going to happen Wrigley Field 5 game series is is there
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  anything to this? I mean, obviously the Cubs are
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  going to have to win all 5. This this was appointment TV and
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  on everybody's calendar for weeks.
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  But yeah, I. Mean it was just two weeks ago.
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  It was like, OK, they've still got that five game series there.
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  I'm inclined. I think one of the two teams is
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  going to win three out of five. I can, the emotional fan of me
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  says. The Cubs are going to lose 4 out
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  of 5, or even all 5. The analyst in me says the
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  Brewers have been playing far too good for far too long, and
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  maybe the regression started yesterday.
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  The Cubs have not been hitting for 6-7 weeks, and the offense
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  is too good to keep scuffling like that.
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  So if both things evened out at the same time, the Cubs could
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  get them four out of five. If that's the case, the division
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  gets down to five games. Maybe that's workable for six
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  weeks. I'm inclined to say the division
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  is over and the Cubs need to just not get their teeth kicked
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  in because then they might be vulnerable in the wild card.
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  It wasn't a gut punch. It was a little bit lower on
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  Wednesday when I saw the news that the Minnesota Twins and the
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  Poland family will not be selling.
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  I've said my piece. I I've got on my tirades.
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  My blood pressure is hopefully back to normal here five days
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  later. Just take me in from your
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  perspective, obviously as a national writer and and seeing
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  the news that came down. It's weird that this has been
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  happening. Like the learners did the same
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  thing with the Nationals, said hey, we're probably going to
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  sell and pulled it back already. Marino did the same thing with
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  the Angels. Hey, I'm going to sell and
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  pulled it back. You the most obvious things are
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  you wonder are they not getting the big enough offer, which I
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  would be shocked on the angels by the way that he didn't get it
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  monster offer or did they change their mind because they're
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  making too much money And if they're making too much money,
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  why aren't they spending more of it on payroll and trying to have
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  a better product on the field? I don't know man, but I I will
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  say Trent, right when I saw the news, you're the first person I
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  thought of and I felt for you. So sorry about that.
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  But man, they used to be the richest ownership group in
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  baseball. Like I think we talked about
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  this back in the early 2000s or something like that.
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  I wish they were better. Maybe since they changed their
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  mind and they want to hold on to the club, they'll do a better
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  job in terms of the stewardship of owning the club.
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  I'm not confident, but I guess I'm trying to.
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  Yeah, yeah. Good stuff.
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  Matt Snyder. Love this segment.
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  Tell you that everyone day, but it's true.
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  We'll talk to you next week. Thank you for doing this.
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  You can follow Matt on X at Matt Snyder, CBS at Matt Snyder, CBS,
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  where he covers MLB. Thank you, Matt.
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  Have a good week, brother. Appreciate it.
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  Take care guys. Good to talk to you, Matt
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  Snyder, CBSSports.com is we talk MLB.
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  All right, Scott Doctorman is coming up next.
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  Talk to Doc covers college football, covers the Hawks.
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  I'm going to pick his brain on the did we talk about in the
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  first segment, the playoffs? We didn't.
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  It got it is getting killed killed.
• 18:33
  I don't get it. Did you see the note that people
• 18:36
  that the Big 10 obviously didn't want this to come out, that this
• 18:39
  is very much in the preliminary stages?
• 18:41
  This is not something where you know, they got went.
• 18:43
  Back. I wish it was set in stone.
• 18:44
  I love it. I, I do too.
• 18:46
  And again, I know this part of me is very selfish as we talked
• 18:49
  about with what the Big 10 wants to do with the 16 team playoff
• 18:53
  and the ability, but for everybody from mid range to
• 18:56
  lower range teams, this is realistic.
• 18:59
  This is good for the ACC, the Big 12 and everybody outside of
• 19:03
  the blue bloods in the SEC, in the Big 10.
• 19:05
  This is what you want. This is an attainable goal for
• 19:07
  now. Everybody.
• 19:09
  We talked about the Iowa perspective.
• 19:11
  Being in your top six of an 18 team league, that's doable.
• 19:14
  Doable. But if you're Rutgers, your
• 19:17
  chance, your only chance of being in the playoff is probably
• 19:20
  to go like 6 and three, right? And have a couple of breaks.
• 19:23
  And the right wins. And the right wins and you can
• 19:25
  get there. Same thing for Cal and Stanford
• 19:28
  and on and on and on. This is the new reality.
• 19:32
  And for so many programs, I'm just surprised that we haven't
• 19:35
  seen these middle and these lower tier teams kind of work
• 19:39
  together because this is something that everybody
• 19:41
  actually has a shot at. You've got that aspect of it and
• 19:45
  I and I see where you're coming from.
• 19:46
  You know where I look, I come from, I'm a college football
• 19:48
  fan. I see championship Saturday
• 19:50
  having 12 games and then we're down to a 12 team playoff, which
• 19:54
  is exactly where we were last year.
• 19:56
  I do not get the pushback. I truly don't.
• 19:59
  I think people don't really dive deep into what it would look
• 20:03
  like. Conference championship games
• 20:04
  are meaningless. Meaningless in the SEC and the
• 20:07
  Big 10. They don't matter one iota.
• 20:11
  And in a 16 team structure, which we will get to, they won't
• 20:15
  matter at all. So what do we do to make this
• 20:18
  work? Basically, you can masquerade a
• 20:20
  24 or even 2018 playoff with championship Saturday.
• 20:24
  It just has a different look to it.
• 20:26
  And if it leads to cross divisional as opposed to Iowa,
• 20:31
  Indiana, as opposed to an Iowa State, Oklahoma State to get
• 20:35
  into a playoff instead, that becomes Iowa against Ole Miss.
• 20:39
  Iowa State, South Carolina. Then we're having a different
• 20:43
  conversation, I think, for everybody.
• 20:45
  And I don't think it kills the minor Bulls because it's still
• 20:48
  enough time. And the Bulls, like them or not,
• 20:51
  they're powerful. ESPN wants programming.
• 20:55
  I don't think it kills them. I don't understand the Yanks.
• 20:58
  Dr. Manex Miller and Condon, Iowa Sports Radio Network.
• 21:08
  Just past 130 on a Monday Miller and cond in Iowa sports radio
• 21:12
  network wherever listening in the state of Iowa.
• 21:14
  Grateful that you are trust you'll keep it right here as off
• 21:18
  the bench coming up to until 5 Sean Roberts and Lucas strain.
• 21:22
  Let's talk to our friend Scott document.
• 21:24
  He covers college football etcetera for the big for the
• 21:28
  athletic and he joins us doctor Trenton Ken, good to speak with
• 21:32
  you, Doc had a caller off air asked me to ask you and I said
• 21:36
  to him, it's very timely because you reposted your piece on the
• 21:40
  television properties and how these games are selected earlier
• 21:43
  today. His question for you was the
• 21:46
  Penn State Iowa game and the likelihood of it being a night
• 21:51
  game. And as he pointed out, NBC has
• 21:53
  already claimed USC, Notre Dame and Penn State Iowa seemingly
• 21:58
  has a bigger name, cash or cachet behind it, The Big 10
• 22:02
  network. What's the likelihood of Penn
• 22:04
  State Iowa being under the lights?
• 22:07
  Or where could you see this doc? Well, it's not going to kick off
• 22:11
  in prime time. I mean, it's just not.
• 22:14
  It would both teams would have to really fall apart for it to
• 22:17
  get to that level. You know, now there are some
• 22:20
  pretty interesting games going on that day when you have Ohio
• 22:25
  State, Wisconsin, but I think Wisconsin's going to be
• 22:27
  floundering at that point. Washington and Michigan and just
• 22:31
  got some cache and I'm in Penn State and Iowa.
• 22:33
  And I think, you know, Penn State and Iowa is going to be at
• 22:36
  minimum out of those three, the second best game, if not #1 so
• 22:40
  that to me, me looks like it's more of ACBS or Fox game than it
• 22:44
  is a than it is an NBC prime time game.
• 22:48
  So I mean, for the now, what is interesting when those two teams
• 22:52
  play is they have finished up under the light every time since
• 22:56
  6:00 to four, since 2004 games every time either mid afternoon
• 23:01
  or you know, or evening. So it'd be a real change if they
• 23:05
  go to Fox. But you know, if Penn State's
• 23:08
  undefeated and they're coming to Iowa City, I I'd say out of that
• 23:12
  list that that has a really good shot of being the big noon
• 23:15
  kickoff. Doc, let's take it a step
• 23:17
  further. The other monster matchup coming
• 23:19
  in, in the top 10 preseason team when Oregon comes in because you
• 23:23
  can say it both ways. You want to see Iowa under the
• 23:25
  lights and how many November upsets they pulled in that
• 23:28
  scenario. However, an 11 AM Central
• 23:31
  kickoff means 9:00 AM body clock for the Ducks.
• 23:34
  What do you think Kirk Ference's preference would be?
• 23:36
  He always wants 11:00, right? Well, I'm sure he wants, you
• 23:40
  know, get up and at an early hour and and play and then go
• 23:43
  home and do whatever. But that one, yeah, that one to
• 23:48
  me is more most likely a big noon.
• 23:50
  And and that's again now Indiana plays Penn State that day.
• 23:55
  That's got some, you know, kind of some cache.
• 23:57
  But I think and and you never know with Nebraska and UCLA if
• 24:00
  Nebraska is rolling or something, you know, so things
• 24:03
  can change. That's why they have the 12 day
• 24:05
  window. But speaking here from August
• 24:08
  18th, I would say Oregon at Iowa is OR Indiana, Penn State is Big
• 24:15
  Noon. And then I'm not sure which
• 24:17
  network has a number two choice, You know, so if Penn State and
• 24:21
  Indiana are both top ten top 15 teams and maybe Oregon's decent
• 24:26
  and Iowa's OK, then yeah, I could see it end up in prime
• 24:29
  time. But it it's really about which
• 24:32
  which network has the number one Twitter week and I just don't
• 24:35
  know at this point. Yeah, November 8th at NBCS got
• 24:37
  Navy at Notre Dame at 6:30, So I'm not sure if that.
• 24:40
  Factor is OK. Yeah, that, that absolutely.
• 24:43
  Does we would. Absolutely.
• 24:44
  I mean, yeah, 'cause then, then there nobody's going to go in
• 24:47
  prime time. I mean, you know, and then so
• 24:49
  that now, now maybe FS1 or something might, but Oregon,
• 24:52
  Iowa is going to be one of the two best games of the day in the
• 24:57
  Big 10 at this point. You know, something could
• 24:59
  change, but at this point, it's two of the most marketable
• 25:02
  games, let's put it that way. Doc, what are Trent and I
• 25:04
  missing? And we we defer to you because
• 25:07
  you're much smarter than these things.
• 25:08
  And Trent and I are when they when the word, I guess leaked
• 25:11
  the big 10 plan or or drawing board, if you will, 24 to 28.
• 25:16
  I just see an expansion of championships Saturday and then
• 25:19
  we get down to 12 is which we are.
• 25:21
  I don't think it kills the minor bowl games.
• 25:24
  There's still room for seven and six, six and six in Memphis at
• 25:27
  the Liberty Bowl. And ESPN needs programming.
• 25:30
  I guess I don't understand why there's so much angst.
• 25:34
  Is it strictly because of the the guaranteed spots that we're
• 25:38
  getting pushback on the surface? I love the idea of expansing, of
• 25:42
  expanding Championship weekend, because championship games, for
• 25:45
  the most part, conference championship games in early
• 25:48
  December, aren't, aren't, I'm not say, useless, but they're
• 25:51
  not worth what they were meant to be, I don't think.
• 25:55
  Man, that's that's some good. Points.
• 25:57
  I think right now, I think there's a general angst and
• 26:01
  fatigue about anything the Big 10 proposes.
• 26:04
  The. Different sizable because,
• 26:07
  because there's been so much panning on their plan of the
• 26:10
  auto bids that now it's like, are you kidding me?
• 26:13
  You're going to expand it now to 2428 and, and, and I think
• 26:17
  that's part of the issue right now is that the big 10's kind of
• 26:21
  going out alone and and 28 just sounds to me so much different
• 26:25
  than than 24. I think 24 could have some
• 26:28
  backing, but, but remember we're only barely a year removed from
• 26:32
  4:00 and then so we're really making some quick changes here
• 26:36
  from 4:00 to to 12 to probably 16 to 28, you know, so I can see
• 26:42
  the resistance in this and it's probably not in the Big 10's
• 26:47
  best interest to push for it right now.
• 26:49
  Maybe in six years, maybe in 10 years, you kind of see how the
• 26:52
  16 team field lines up, but. It also is.
• 26:56
  Is kind of a bait and switch and I I think it's the wrong time
• 27:00
  for it now all things being considered.
• 27:03
  This is this was more of a preliminary discussion among the
• 27:07
  80s and Petiti and and not something that they're just like
• 27:12
  hammering out there that this is what we're going to throw on the
• 27:15
  table. And and so I think they're
• 27:17
  pretty miffed that it got out because they weren't really
• 27:20
  planning on formalizing it. They haven't even talked to the
• 27:23
  other conferences. So I think you know, it's got a
• 27:26
  long way to go. I just don't see it getting off
• 27:28
  the ground at this stage. Now in five to six years, if
• 27:31
  we're all on the right side of the grass is Hayden Frywood,
• 27:35
  then maybe we'll see something change out of.
• 27:37
  You know, Doc, one thing that I brought up with all these
• 27:39
  different proposals is I guess the surprise that the mid tier
• 27:44
  program, solid programs, the Wisconsin's, the Iowa's, the,
• 27:48
  you know, old misses and Missouri's from the SEC.
• 27:50
  And then the lower tier programs.
• 27:52
  Why they don't band together because all these programs
• 27:55
  outside of the Blue Bloods expansion you would think would
• 27:58
  help their product. Is there any shot in this
• 28:00
  iteration that Rutgers is ever going to make a playoff that
• 28:03
  Mississippi State can? I mean, we can go on and on.
• 28:07
  The chances of making a 12 team playoff are difficult, but
• 28:09
  there's something attainable for everybody in this kind of model.
• 28:12
  Why haven't we seen that the mid and and lower tier programs kind
• 28:15
  of band together and say, let's expand this thing even further?
• 28:20
  There has been to an extent with the reason why I mean every
• 28:24
  single Big 10 program is behind Tony Petit, no exception.
• 28:28
  They all believe in Petiti, which is why that they like the
• 28:32
  the guarantees going into the 16 teams, which is 4.
• 28:36
  Now that's that's difficult. That's for a Rutgers, that may
• 28:41
  be a real challenge, but I would say before last year and it
• 28:44
  would have been a real challenge for Indiana too and Illinois
• 28:47
  potentially and and, and those schools.
• 28:49
  So I think they're all in it together when it comes to this.
• 28:53
  Now, as far as expanding way beyond 16, that's that's
• 28:57
  something you, you're fundamentally changing the
• 28:59
  sport. Like, you know, that that will,
• 29:02
  if not completely end, you know, bowl games, it will radically
• 29:07
  change them. I don't, you know, the G5 may
• 29:09
  have them at some point, but but I think that that really changes
• 29:14
  the system. And I'm not sure everybody's
• 29:16
  ready for that yet. But I know at the big 10 level
• 29:19
  and, and the SEC feels the same way at its level as everybody's
• 29:22
  kind of rallying behind their leadership.
• 29:24
  And, and I think, but they got to figure out what to do next
• 29:28
  without and, and right now they're, they're kind of a ways
• 29:31
  off on that. Doc, I want to ask you this and
• 29:34
  I'm, I'm guessing that, you know, because you've got most of
• 29:36
  Iowa's schedule not maybe committed to memory, but you
• 29:38
  know, is there, is there a game maybe that's sneaking up on some
• 29:43
  Hawkeye fans that, you know, that maybe it's the Rutgers game
• 29:48
  or maybe it's the Michigan State game on Senior Day that, that
• 29:52
  they're Hawkeye fans. Well, that's an easy one.
• 29:55
  Is there a team that is there? Is there a game that maybe is
• 29:58
  getting slept on a little bit as to as far as I was difficulty of
• 30:02
  of advancing. Not saying that they can't win,
• 30:04
  but but but but don't overlook this one type of game.
• 30:08
  There's a lot of them. I mean, this is a challenging
• 30:11
  schedule, no question. And I, I, I guess you'd start,
• 30:15
  you know, Rutgers. I, I mean, I can make a case for
• 30:17
  any of the games that to be a little too, you know, a little
• 30:20
  more challenging than you think. I mean, Rutgers is a physical
• 30:23
  team and it's, it's got some veterans and I think it can be
• 30:26
  very competitive, you know, on that game.
• 30:29
  But I also think if Iowa plays at a high level, it wins.
• 30:32
  We all know the difficulties associated with Oregon and
• 30:35
  Indiana and Penn State. I would say, you know, going to
• 30:39
  to Camp Randall, you know, a team that is really what the the
• 30:43
  target on Iowa in the offseason and how it prepares and that
• 30:47
  that's going to be more challenging.
• 30:48
  But if you're to ask me one game that I think is getting a little
• 30:51
  overlooked that is going to be could has the potential to be
• 30:55
  much more difficult than people expect.
• 30:56
  That's USD on the road, you know, playing.
• 30:59
  I mean, when you look at what USC did last year and and you
• 31:04
  know what they were, they won seven games, including their
• 31:06
  bowl. But but you know, some of these
• 31:08
  games, I mean, they, they only lost in overtime by three points
• 31:11
  to Penn State. They lost at the very end of the
• 31:13
  game to Michigan by three points.
• 31:16
  You know, the Notre Dame, they had two picks, sixes in the
• 31:19
  fourth quarter and lost by two touchdowns.
• 31:21
  You know, they, they, you know, lost by, you know, 5 at
• 31:24
  Washington. I I mean, they had a pretty
• 31:28
  inconsistent season, but they were right there.
• 31:30
  And we know the talent level that USC has.
• 31:32
  And if they figure out quarterback, this could be a
• 31:35
  very dangerous team. It may be a team that's on the
• 31:37
  cusp of the playoffs. So I think going to the Memorial
• 31:40
  Coliseum, we know Iowa traditionally has struggled in
• 31:44
  that part of the country when it goes on the road and it will be
• 31:46
  an earlier game. It won't be a night game.
• 31:48
  But I I think that's and it's their homecoming.
• 31:51
  So I think that's something that you've really got to be
• 31:53
  cognizant of. Not to give everybody anxiety
• 31:56
  here in the middle of August when you got other games coming
• 31:59
  out, but that's one to watch for.
• 32:01
  Julian saying gets the starting nod for Ohio State.
• 32:04
  This one went deeper, I think than some people anticipated
• 32:07
  with Lincoln kind Holtz the kid from South Dakota pushing him
• 32:10
  there. What are your expectations for
• 32:12
  saying here and and how close do you think or, or how long of a
• 32:15
  leash maybe is he going to have as the starter with the
• 32:17
  Buckeyes? A significantly long 1.
• 32:21
  You know, they they went through this competition in true
• 32:24
  fashion. They were not going to give him
• 32:27
  the job, even though he was the odds on favorite and and kind
• 32:30
  Holtz really performed well and and I think it was impressive
• 32:34
  that he battled it the way he did.
• 32:35
  And I think he still got a pretty good future, you know,
• 32:39
  somewhere else probably next year to be a player for a few
• 32:43
  years at another school. He's he's a really good quality,
• 32:46
  you know, quarterback and but you know, Julian fan won this
• 32:49
  job. He was, you know, five star.
• 32:52
  The expectations for him are to do exactly what other Ohio State
• 32:54
  quarterbacks, you know, have had to go through and that is win
• 32:57
  the national title and beat Michigan.
• 32:59
  If you don't do either one of those, then then you're second
• 33:02
  tier. So I think no pressure and and
• 33:07
  plus you're playing the number one team in the country when in
• 33:09
  your first career start. So I think he's got a lot on his
• 33:13
  plate, but he's very, very talented.
• 33:15
  He's going, you know, he's going to be it wouldn't surprise me at
• 33:19
  all at the end of the year, if you go wow, he's first team all
• 33:21
  big 10 because he's he's just that talented.
• 33:23
  What he got coming up this week, Doc at The Athletic.
• 33:27
  A ton and one couple of stories we we me and Sam Khan kind of
• 33:32
  worked on related to money over a 20 year period and the
• 33:36
  escalation of costs and and athletic budgets.
• 33:40
  Bowl projections are slated to come out later this week.
• 33:42
  I just finished those up so that it should give some pretty good
• 33:46
  fun stuff there. Seth Emerson and I wrote an SEC
• 33:50
  Big 10 Challenge Part 2 and what if the teams played and where
• 33:53
  they would play on neutral sites and working on a couple.
• 33:57
  I oh, Farmageddon. I wrote my version of
• 33:59
  Farmageddon. So we will have a reporter
• 34:02
  there, Chris Camroni. So anyway, it's yeah, we're in
• 34:06
  the season mode now, so there's a lot coming down from my end.
• 34:10
  Good stuff. Scott Dockerman, appreciate it.
• 34:12
  As always, talk with you next week.
• 34:13
  Thank you, Doc. Have a great week.
• 34:15
  Yeah, you too. Thanks guys.
• 34:16
  Yeah, thank you, Scott Dockerman for The Athletic.
• 34:18
  As we check in on CFB, take your time out, trends, plays of the
• 34:21
  day. They're next.
• 34:22
  Miller and Condon, Iowa Sports Radio Network That's right,
• 34:27
  there's Monday Night Football. I figured they'd.
• 34:30
  Get the juices about that Cincinnati and who Washington
• 34:34
  Wash Washington For those of you in the state of.
• 34:37
  Iowa Mr. Monday Night is ready. No, no, no.
• 34:39
  Why? You can tune up.
• 34:40
  Yeah, yeah, OK. It's.
• 34:43
  Preseason. Preseason.
• 34:46
  Mr. Monday Night loves the commanders, do you?
• 34:49
  What's the number? 3 1/2 Now here's the reason
• 34:51
  here. They're giving laying okay.
• 34:54
  So it comes down to laying with Cincinnati, sorry, Cincinnati.
• 35:00
  It comes down to backup quarterbacks.
• 35:01
  Both starters are going to play. We're going to see Borough
• 35:03
  tonight. We're going to see Daniels.
• 35:04
  That means I'll be watching tonight, but also Mr. Monday
• 35:08
  Night. He likes to dig a little deeper.
• 35:10
  He sees that we'll get to see Jake Browning competent, maybe
• 35:13
  even a tick higher. And Desmond Ritter is their
• 35:16
  third quarterback. That's pretty good.
• 35:18
  After we get to see Jane Daniels do his thing, it's Marcus
• 35:22
  Mariota. Normally he's not going to play.
• 35:25
  So it comes down to Josh Johnson, who's on what is 18th
• 35:29
  NFL team been around forever and Sam Hartman.
• 35:32
  I've seen Sam Hartman, good hair, got a good quarterback,
• 35:35
  good hair, though, good care, great head of hair.
• 35:39
  Get away it. Give me the Bengals minus the
• 35:41
  three in the hook. Mr. Monday night's going to
• 35:43
  preseason it up here. And then 2IN baseball.
• 35:46
  I'm going to lay the -1 O3 with your Blue Jays and Kevin Gossman
• 35:50
  against Paul Skeens tonight in Pittsburgh and I'll wrap it up
• 35:54
  with a + 130. This is a fate of Jack Flaherty.
• 35:57
  We will grab the plus money with the Astros tonight plus 1/30.
• 36:01
  All right, the Cubs and the Brewers are underway game one of
• 36:03
  their doubleheader today. There's no score.
• 36:05
  The Brewers batting top of the third.
• 36:07
  Kate Horton has three strikeouts thus far of his seven outs.
• 36:12
  He's going to make it. I think Trent, he's.
• 36:14
  Pretty good at the Oklahoma kid, huh?
• 36:16
  Unbelievable. Good stuff.
• 36:18
  All right, so Monday Night Football tonight, a little
• 36:20
  baseball action tonight. You know, I guess I didn't
• 36:24
  realize that the Royals aren't creeping close.
• 36:26
  Yes. I mean, there's a math they're
• 36:29
  not out of. It they're not out of it and
• 36:30
  they keep hitting the ball like they have, they're going to be
• 36:33
  right there because they're staffed.
• 36:34
  The rotation, the bull tent bullpen is all very good.
• 36:37
  It's not better than good throughout the course of this
• 36:39
  year. Let's hope we get that.
• 36:42
  It would be good to have the Royals in the mix and and just
• 36:45
  fighting the Yankees. How cool that be down the.
• 36:47
  Stretch. The big bad Yankees against the
• 36:49
  Kansas City Royals. Love.
• 36:50
  To see it. And then maybe Bobby Witt can
• 36:52
  come back and. No, he's such a good player.
• 36:55
  He is such a good player. What's the price of admission?
• 36:57
  Yep. Hopefully Elliot Cleff will join
• 36:59
  us tomorrow. He covers Iowa.
• 37:01
  We'll talk to Elliot at some point.
• 37:04
  We'll we're going to head to get Brent Bloom from Ireland.
• 37:07
  I believe Brent's going to come on Thursday.
• 37:08
  We'll get Heather, who's there on Friday to kick off the show,
• 37:12
  get a little taste of it live vicariously through those two
• 37:15
  people. You got a little melancholy over
• 37:17
  there. You're kind of wish you know
• 37:18
  what it is. FOMO.
• 37:19
  It's not the game. It's really not.
• 37:21
  Yes, because we know you'd leave, right?
• 37:23
  Yeah. Go watch it in your hotel room.
• 37:26
  It's the bars. Yes, it's the old.
• 37:29
  It's the old buildings, the old bars.
• 37:31
  It's the the landscapes. That's the water.
• 37:34
  It's the mountains. It's it's the country.
• 37:37
  I would love to see it. Are you?
• 37:39
  Do you have Irish heritage? I believe so.
• 37:41
  Either Irish or. Scottish, Yeah.
• 37:43
  Yeah, I was never into that. Never had to.
• 37:46
  Do this. Yeah, my dad had it on the wall
• 37:48
  and he tried. I I mean he did nothing for me.
• 37:51
  Rolled back to the your eyes rolled back to the back of your
• 37:53
  head. Right.
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  Good stuff. All right off the bench is
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  coming up next. Are you playing in that?
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  A beck for another year. The old man, what they call that
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  thing the video game link. The video game link.
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  Yes, the old man is going to give it a go.
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  You are. The old guy in this thing.
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  Of course, really made a run last.
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  Year 40s and you're considered the old dude.
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  I'm the old dude by decades. The young man's game, you.
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  Know is changing. That's good.
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  Yes, it is good. All right, and hopefully I get a
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  chance to whoop Sean's ass again this year.
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  Did you last year just dominated?
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  He's terrible at a boy. They're next.
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