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Fear Into Action | Mathew Embry, MS Hope - President | Shed Talk Ep. #123 · Shed Talk with Kevin Halliday

• Kevin Halliday: If your body stopped doing Kevin Halliday: what you've always relied Kevin Halliday: on it to do, work, train, Kevin Halliday: provide, what would you Kevin Halliday: start believing about Kevin Halliday: yourself? Kevin Halliday: And would you also tell Kevin Halliday: anyone? Kevin Halliday: Today, I'm joined with Kevin Halliday: filmmaker and MS Hope Kevin Halliday: founder, Mathew Embry. Kevin Halliday: Diagnosed with multiple Kevin Halliday: sclerosis at 19, Mat Kevin Halliday: shares his journey through Kevin Halliday: his documentary Living Kevin Halliday: Proof and his work in Kevin Halliday: health advocacy. Kevin Halliday: Today, I'd like to explore Kevin Halliday: the mental side of that Kevin Halliday: journey, the conversations Kevin Halliday: you have with yourself, Kevin Halliday: and what happens to your Kevin Halliday: confidence when your body Kevin Halliday: starts to change. Kevin Halliday: And how do you learn to Kevin Halliday: ask for support? Whether Kevin Halliday: you're facing an illness, Kevin Halliday: an injury, or a difficult Kevin Halliday: chapter no one else can Kevin Halliday: see, we're going to talk Kevin Halliday: about what it means to Kevin Halliday: look after yourself as a Kevin Halliday: whole person. Kevin Halliday: Matt, welcome to Shed Kevin Halliday: Talk. Thanks for joining Kevin Halliday: us here today. Mathew Embry: Awesome, thanks so much for Mathew Embry: having me. Kevin Halliday: Do you know how hard it is Kevin Halliday: to get you to actually get Kevin Halliday: onto a podcast with us Kevin Halliday: because you're such a busy Kevin Halliday: guy? Mathew Embry: No, I mean, I'm so happy to Mathew Embry: do this, and I apologize if Mathew Embry: it was tricky to manage the Mathew Embry: schedule, but I'm happy to Mathew Embry: be here, and let's talk Mathew Embry: about helping other people. Kevin Halliday: And that's so important. Kevin Halliday: So Matt, going back, and Kevin Halliday: then we talk about having Kevin Halliday: MS at 19 years of age and Kevin Halliday: what you've had to do to Kevin Halliday: change your body around. Kevin Halliday: After being diagnosed, I Kevin Halliday: want to ask the first Kevin Halliday: question about this Kevin Halliday: because at 19, Mathew Embry: here Kevin Halliday: you are, being diagnosed, Kevin Halliday: what was actually going Kevin Halliday: through your mind? Mathew Embry: Yeah, I mean, we're going Mathew Embry: back a long ways Kevin Halliday: now. Mathew Embry: So we're talking 31 years Mathew Embry: ago. I'm 50 now. And so Mathew Embry: being diagnosed at 19, I Mathew Embry: mean, it changes your entire Mathew Embry: life. I mean, the Mathew Embry: trajectory, once you're Mathew Embry: diagnosed with a chronic Mathew Embry: illness, any kind of Mathew Embry: illness, Mathew Embry: whether it be alcoholism Mathew Embry: addiction lupus arthritis it Mathew Embry: doesn't matter it's there's Mathew Embry: a before and there's an Mathew Embry: after uh and for me at 19 I Mathew Embry: mean I was lucky in some Mathew Embry: ways because at 19 years old Mathew Embry: the Mathew Embry: body can still heal quickly Mathew Embry: a lot more quickly than it Mathew Embry: does at our age right and um Mathew Embry: for me I didn't know much Mathew Embry: about multiple sclerosis um Mathew Embry: I knew Richard Pryor I knew Mathew Embry: Annette Fenicello Mathew Embry: and i knew it was bad um but Mathew Embry: you know i was shocked of Mathew Embry: course but for me personally Mathew Embry: i didn't stay in that space Mathew Embry: very long but i know you Mathew Embry: didn't stay in the space but Mathew Embry: all of a sudden here you are Kevin Halliday: at 50 and going back we Kevin Halliday: have ai we have technology Kevin Halliday: and then we talk a lot Kevin Halliday: about men okay Mathew Embry: back Kevin Halliday: in the day because where Kevin Halliday: we Kevin Halliday: we're Kevin Halliday: are at 50 and all of a Kevin Halliday: sudden what's going Kevin Halliday: through our heads as a Kevin Halliday: young guy okay Mathew Embry: the Kevin Halliday: panic sets in here you are Kevin Halliday: you have ms and talking Kevin Halliday: and not knowing what you Kevin Halliday: can do with it Mathew Embry: Yeah, I mean, if I'm totally Mathew Embry: honest, and I've said this Mathew Embry: in other interviews, I mean, Mathew Embry: my sex life probably was the Mathew Embry: thing I was most scared Mathew Embry: about, you know, to be Mathew Embry: totally honest. Mathew Embry: I mean, I liked when I was Mathew Embry: 19, when I was young, I Mathew Embry: liked having the physical Mathew Embry: body to use. I liked sports, Mathew Embry: I liked activity, I like Mathew Embry: sex. I mean, I like the Mathew Embry: things that most young men, Mathew Embry: I think, Mathew Embry: like. I don't think I was, Mathew Embry: you know, too crazy that Mathew Embry: way. But I really liked my Mathew Embry: body and what it could do. Mathew Embry: And when you're 19, you Mathew Embry: know, what drives you at 19, Mathew Embry: which reverses what drives Mathew Embry: you Mathew Embry: at 50 are two totally Mathew Embry: different things. Sometimes, Mathew Embry: but I think for me, it was Mathew Embry: that loss of a functioning Mathew Embry: body on all those things Mathew Embry: that really scared me. Mathew Embry: I wanted to be able to run Mathew Embry: have a a family, to be able Mathew Embry: to walk up the stairs, carry Mathew Embry: my grandkids, like all those Mathew Embry: types of things I Mathew Embry: so Mathew Embry: wanted for me. And when Mathew Embry: those started to become Mathew Embry: like, I don't know, that's Mathew Embry: what freaked me out. Kevin Halliday: the i don't know stage was Kevin Halliday: that like so you're 2021 Kevin Halliday: because all of a sudden Kevin Halliday: now you're going to get Kevin Halliday: married have a girlfriend Kevin Halliday: how did you start to talk Kevin Halliday: to her about it Mathew Embry: You know, that was Mathew Embry: relatively easy. I was just Mathew Embry: pretty upfront. Mathew Embry: But I think that for me at Mathew Embry: 19, 19, I mean, I was lucky. Mathew Embry: I mean, my parents and I on Mathew Embry: the car ride home, we Mathew Embry: started getting after right Mathew Embry: away. There was no like Mathew Embry: both, you know, my dad and Mathew Embry: my mom are both my mom, my Mathew Embry: late mom Mathew Embry: or warriors. And so we just Mathew Embry: kind of hit it head on. Mathew Embry: And so back then, there Mathew Embry: weren't a lot of options. It Mathew Embry: was back then it was more Mathew Embry: like diagnosis, audiosis. Mathew Embry: So there wasn't much you Mathew Embry: could do about the illness Mathew Embry: there was very few drugs at Mathew Embry: the time um a lot of the Mathew Embry: drugs were experimental and Mathew Embry: my mom in the car actually Mathew Embry: she said you know this has Mathew Embry: to have something to do Mathew Embry: with diet and i don't know Mathew Embry: if that was some sort of Mathew Embry: instinct or some sort of Mathew Embry: premonition or something but Mathew Embry: whatever it was it just Mathew Embry: so let's Mathew Embry: changed the course or my dad Mathew Embry: you know who's a phd Mathew Embry: researcher went to the Mathew Embry: medical library at the time Mathew Embry: there wasn't google really Mathew Embry: he had to do you know Mathew Embry: photocopy all that that kind Mathew Embry: of thing and put me on the Mathew Embry: course of a very strict diet Mathew Embry: exercise regime optimal Mathew Embry: doses Mathew Embry: of vitamin d mindfulness and Mathew Embry: that started for me pretty Mathew Embry: quick after my diagnosis so Mathew Embry: let's get into Kevin Halliday: get into the mindfulness Kevin Halliday: because all of a sudden Kevin Halliday: here you are and i keep Kevin Halliday: going back here and it's Kevin Halliday: like anybody with cancer Kevin Halliday: and they're not knowing Kevin Halliday: i've got cancer and it's Kevin Halliday: just tell me what i can do Kevin Halliday: with it and then give me a Kevin Halliday: course of action Kevin Halliday: that i can move forward Kevin Halliday: then i can deal with it so Kevin Halliday: then all of a sudden here Kevin Halliday: you are going into this Kevin Halliday: and saying all right dad Kevin Halliday: all right vitamin d let's Kevin Halliday: start doing the workouts Kevin Halliday: how did you keep yourself Kevin Halliday: motivated to actually keep Kevin Halliday: yeah Kevin Halliday: doing that Mathew Embry: i mean for me and this is i Mathew Embry: don't want this to be like a Mathew Embry: lot of people don't like Mathew Embry: when i say this i use fear Mathew Embry: you know people people say Mathew Embry: so Mathew Embry: you can't live in fear you Mathew Embry: can't do this i'm like Mathew Embry: no fear has been driving me Mathew Embry: for 31 years uh you know in Mathew Embry: the bible it says fear is Mathew Embry: the beginning of wisdom um Mathew Embry: you know i don't think fear Mathew Embry: is a great thing if you Mathew Embry: can't channel it properly Mathew Embry: properly, but I was able to Mathew Embry: do that really quickly. So I Mathew Embry: was able to picture in my Mathew Embry: mind the worst case Mathew Embry: outcomes, like, you know, Mathew Embry: how horrible this could be. Mathew Embry: You know, I'd made a Mathew Embry: personally a deal with Mathew Embry: myself that I was Mathew Embry: considering suicide if it Mathew Embry: got to, this is me, I'm not Mathew Embry: saying anyone should do this Mathew Embry: or not advocating for this. Mathew Embry: This was me. Like, I'm like, Mathew Embry: okay, if it gets this bad, Mathew Embry: you know, this is, you know, Mathew Embry: where my limit, my personal Mathew Embry: limits are. Mathew Embry: these Mathew Embry: But that was scary. all of Mathew Embry: those things I just said Mathew Embry: were scary and so I use that Mathew Embry: I use that image I use that Mathew Embry: to Mathew Embry: channel it properly for me Mathew Embry: into action into like every Mathew Embry: meal I'd remind myself you Mathew Embry: eat that this could happen Mathew Embry: you don't work out this Mathew Embry: could happen non Kevin Halliday: were your Mathew Embry: -negotiables non Mathew Embry: -negotiables it was just you Mathew Embry: know and also um education Mathew Embry: education was a huge piece Mathew Embry: for me understanding what Mathew Embry: nutrition Mathew Embry: truly did to my body Mathew Embry: understanding how exercise Mathew Embry: affected my body Mathew Embry: understanding how vitamin d Mathew Embry: impacted and turned on and Mathew Embry: off genes like the more i Mathew Embry: knew about um how these Mathew Embry: variables and Mathew Embry: factors i could control and Mathew Embry: control was key the more Mathew Embry: confident i felt about Mathew Embry: making those choices and Mathew Embry: then the better the outcome Mathew Embry: would be Kevin Halliday: so Kevin Halliday: let's get back more to Kevin Halliday: fear Kevin Halliday: sure Kevin Halliday: because it's interesting Kevin Halliday: because Because you say a Kevin Halliday: lot of people don't want Kevin Halliday: to talk about the fear, Kevin Halliday: and you visualize fear. If Kevin Halliday: you take this, this is Kevin Halliday: what's going to happen to Kevin Halliday: me. And then give me an Kevin Halliday: example of one of those Kevin Halliday: moments that you actually Kevin Halliday: did. Kevin Halliday: Because when we have a lot Kevin Halliday: of people listening and Kevin Halliday: they talk about this, and Kevin Halliday: we talk about suicide, Kevin Halliday: what was that defining Kevin Halliday: moment for you? I'm not Kevin Halliday: saying that you were going Kevin Halliday: yeah Kevin Halliday: to do Kevin Halliday: it. But a lot of people Kevin Halliday: all of a sudden listen, Kevin Halliday: when they're at that Kevin Halliday: suicide point in their Kevin Halliday: life, they're like, I Kevin Halliday: don't care. Kevin Halliday: Yes, it's selfish. I'm Kevin Halliday: going to do this part Kevin Halliday: because that's the way it Kevin Halliday: is. it's going to ease all Kevin Halliday: the pain and suffering in Kevin Halliday: my world but where was Kevin Halliday: that one moment for you to Kevin Halliday: say if i hit this i'm Kevin Halliday: yeah Kevin Halliday: doing suicide Mathew Embry: so for me it was more you Mathew Embry: know i i wasn't suicidal but Mathew Embry: what i'm what i'm getting is Mathew Embry: it was my it was what i was Mathew Embry: going to do to control i Mathew Embry: mean for me suicide is the Mathew Embry: ultimate form of control Mathew Embry: it is the ultimate form of Mathew Embry: control so it's like you you Mathew Embry: give into life on one side Mathew Embry: which is you lose all Mathew Embry: control you take total Mathew Embry: control you kill yourself Mathew Embry: no Mathew Embry: like that's what i see is Mathew Embry: the ultimate Mathew Embry: act of total control over my Mathew Embry: environment because like i Mathew Embry: can no longer deal with all Mathew Embry: but Mathew Embry: the variables Mathew Embry: so i'm going to take full Mathew Embry: control so for me that was Mathew Embry: okay when i've lost control Mathew Embry: of my physical form if if i Mathew Embry: felt that was going to Mathew Embry: happen and again this is not Mathew Embry: for anybody else it was just Mathew Embry: for me i envision okay Mathew Embry: that's probably when i want Mathew Embry: to leave this planet because Mathew Embry: i'm here i believe for lots Mathew Embry: of things but enjoying the Mathew Embry: physical form is one of them Mathew Embry: now had it gotten that way Mathew Embry: would i Mathew Embry: have done it i don't know i Mathew Embry: was 19 no Kevin Halliday: no but they'll take Kevin Halliday: yourself you're 19 you're Kevin Halliday: yeah sure Kevin Halliday: diagnosed but all of a Kevin Halliday: sudden you're Kevin Halliday: 25 now okay so you're Kevin Halliday: going through this whole Kevin Halliday: process of life journey Mathew Embry: and Kevin Halliday: then when you talk about Kevin Halliday: and then you're in the Kevin Halliday: film industry so you're 19 Kevin Halliday: and then all of a sudden Kevin Halliday: we have your Star Wars Kevin Halliday: thing that you love doing Kevin Halliday: your Star Wars talk Kevin Halliday: sure that's what okay Kevin Halliday: because that's my research Kevin Halliday: on you yeah a bit there as Kevin Halliday: a kid but when you start Kevin Halliday: thinking about 25 now yeah Kevin Halliday: now is your life starting Kevin Halliday: to change going still want Kevin Halliday: to keep into film Kevin Halliday: production do get into the Kevin Halliday: film get into acting Kevin Halliday: getting to that was there Kevin Halliday: a point that it was gonna Kevin Halliday: a change and say i can't Kevin Halliday: do that no i'm Mathew Embry: never never i mean i was Mathew Embry: hardcore i mean and i Mathew Embry: haven't changed like Like, Mathew Embry: I'm still like that. I'm Mathew Embry: like that right now sitting Mathew Embry: in front, sitting beside Mathew Embry: you. I mean, I woke up, you Mathew Embry: know, when I, you know, I Mathew Embry: had, of course, my crying Mathew Embry: and, like, poor me and that Mathew Embry: kind of thing. Mathew Embry: That happened for a little Mathew Embry: bit. But then I was like, Mathew Embry: nah, like, I still want to Mathew Embry: make the best of life. I Mathew Embry: want to have a job. I want Mathew Embry: to get married. I want to Mathew Embry: travel the world. I want to Mathew Embry: meet celebrities. I want to Mathew Embry: go to Hollywood. I want to Mathew Embry: go to a Lakers game. Like, Mathew Embry: I'm like, I'm doing this. Mathew Embry: And so I carved in my desk, Mathew Embry: July 26, 1995. Mathew Embry: i carved in my desk like i Mathew Embry: went to war kind of thing Mathew Embry: like i'm going to war and i Mathew Embry: just carved it in there Mathew Embry: literally with like a little Mathew Embry: knife and i carved it in Mathew Embry: like i have a photograph of Mathew Embry: it because Mathew Embry: the desk is gone now but Mathew Embry: then from that moment you Mathew Embry: know in that and that was Mathew Embry: only about six weeks after Mathew Embry: my diagnosis because i think Mathew Embry: i was diagnosed on the 13th Mathew Embry: it was july 26th when i Mathew Embry: carved it in Mathew Embry: and then i didn't look back Mathew Embry: and once i went down that Mathew Embry: road i got healthier i lost Mathew Embry: weight started started Mathew Embry: putting on some muscle the Mathew Embry: symptoms I was struggling Mathew Embry: with slowly went away Mathew Embry: started Mathew Embry: acupuncture started reading Mathew Embry: about mindfulness stopped Mathew Embry: smoking stopped drinking you Mathew Embry: know what I mean like made Mathew Embry: all these you know really Mathew Embry: radically started to change Mathew Embry: especially Mathew Embry: my life Kevin Halliday: at 19 yeah and Mathew Embry: then as I did that you know Mathew Embry: year would pass and you know Mathew Embry: obviously I missed out on a Mathew Embry: so Mathew Embry: lot of like Mathew Embry: young activities young Mathew Embry: people do but then i was you Mathew Embry: know i was healthy suddenly Mathew Embry: i'd made my first film Mathew Embry: suddenly i had a full Mathew Embry: scholarship to grad school Mathew Embry: like things just started to Mathew Embry: when Mathew Embry: happen you Mathew Embry: know and i just kept on my Mathew Embry: my path Kevin Halliday: right yeah Kevin Halliday: you talk about your path Kevin Halliday: you kept on it because you Kevin Halliday: you obviously carved in Kevin Halliday: I'm going to war yep Kevin Halliday: because all of a sudden Kevin Halliday: people live in the day Kevin Halliday: that going as a oh I'm Kevin Halliday: just busy today it's okay Kevin Halliday: versus no wait I have a Kevin Halliday: purpose in life now I Kevin Halliday: actually you know what if Kevin Halliday: I don't live today as my Kevin Halliday: fullest day possible that Kevin Halliday: you know what I'm going to Kevin Halliday: miss out the opportunity Kevin Halliday: because you know what if I Kevin Halliday: can't be healthy if I Kevin Halliday: can't be there's another Kevin Halliday: alternative that I might Kevin Halliday: be in a wheelchair this Kevin Halliday: might be the worst thing Kevin Halliday: ever for me so a lot of of Kevin Halliday: people won't live in that Kevin Halliday: environment Mathew Embry: to Mathew Embry: Agreed. Kevin Halliday: move forward. Mathew Embry: Right, I completely agree. Mathew Embry: and it's it's not that that Mathew Embry: is a horrible place to be Mathew Embry: right Mathew Embry: Oh, Kevin Halliday: like like Kevin Halliday: for sure. Mathew Embry: in my from my perspective Mathew Embry: it's that you know and i Mathew Embry: tell people this like Mathew Embry: transforming your life isn't Mathew Embry: some big change like it is Mathew Embry: small incremental little Mathew Embry: things every single day that Mathew Embry: add up and like boring stuff Mathew Embry: stuff like really like i Mathew Embry: live a very boring life on Mathew Embry: the outside and i i don't Mathew Embry: care like like i'm 50 i Mathew Embry: think i just have i have my Mathew Embry: body checked recently one of Mathew Embry: those machines they do Mathew Embry: and everything and it was Mathew Embry: assessed at a an athlete in Mathew Embry: their late 20s like come on Mathew Embry: like this is possible like Mathew Embry: we we can you can have this Mathew Embry: incredible like you can get Mathew Embry: diagnosed with Mathew Embry: whatever you know obviously Mathew Embry: there's some things that are Mathew Embry: you can't come back from but Mathew Embry: there's a lot of things in Mathew Embry: this world that if you you Mathew Embry: suffer that diagnosis you Mathew Embry: get that you know that that Mathew Embry: challenge you can make the Mathew Embry: step take the steps to Mathew Embry: overcome it and what i try Mathew Embry: to share with people and Mathew Embry: this is probably one of the Mathew Embry: hardest things that people Mathew Embry: don't understand or don't Mathew Embry: want to understand is the Mathew Embry: answers will come you Mathew Embry: just have to wait i mean Mathew Embry: however this reality works Mathew Embry: it's It's kind of like Mathew Embry: Hunger Games. It's like the Mathew Embry: information you need when Mathew Embry: you need it will come if Mathew Embry: you're open to it. Mathew Embry: So I can go back over the Mathew Embry: whole history of my life and Mathew Embry: go, okay, here's where I had Mathew Embry: problems. Mathew Embry: And I can tell you every Mathew Embry: step of the way, something Mathew Embry: miraculous happened where Mathew Embry: something just appeared and Mathew Embry: gave me the intel, the Mathew Embry: So Mathew Embry: information I needed to move Mathew Embry: forward. Kevin Halliday: what was that one fork in Kevin Halliday: the road that you can Kevin Halliday: remember today if you Kevin Halliday: would have gone left Kevin Halliday: versus right that changed Kevin Halliday: your trajectory today? Kevin Halliday: life? Kevin Halliday: And I'm not talking MS. Kevin Halliday: I'm talking about Kevin Halliday: mentally, that Kevin Halliday: mindfulness. Kevin Halliday: oh Kevin Halliday: mindfulness. Mathew Embry: man there's so many i mean Mathew Embry: there's so many i mean i Mathew Embry: Well, okay. Mathew Embry: mean they're happening all Mathew Embry: the time Mathew Embry: for me personally they're Mathew Embry: Well, Mathew Embry: happening all the time like Mathew Embry: they're happening like not Mathew Embry: every day but Mathew Embry: kind of Kevin Halliday: because you're, you're Kevin Halliday: controlling your Kevin Halliday: environment. You're Kevin Halliday: controlling the narrative Kevin Halliday: by you moving forward. So Kevin Halliday: I'm going to ask, I'll ask Kevin Halliday: it, I'll ask it in a Kevin Halliday: different question. What's Kevin Halliday: way yeah Kevin Halliday: the, okay. If you were to Kevin Halliday: go back 10 years ago Kevin Halliday: today, okay. Kevin Halliday: yeah 10 years ago. So Kevin Halliday: you're 50, let's go 40. Kevin Halliday: yeah Kevin Halliday: Okay. We're gonna hit 40. Kevin Halliday: What is that one thing? Kevin Halliday: Okay. Cause you'd Kevin Halliday: mentioned about small Kevin Halliday: increment things. What is Kevin Halliday: that one thing 10 years Kevin Halliday: ago yeah Kevin Halliday: that you did so small And Kevin Halliday: if you can even remember Kevin Halliday: it today, like as of Kevin Halliday: whatever the date is Kevin Halliday: today, that here we are Kevin Halliday: today, and that you go Kevin Halliday: thanking yourself that you Kevin Halliday: made that small increment Kevin Halliday: decision, because that Kevin Halliday: decided Kevin Halliday: where you are now. And if Kevin Halliday: you do it today, where Kevin Halliday: you're going to be in the Kevin Halliday: next 10 Mathew Embry: yeah okay so we we can Mathew Embry: years. Okay, so let me ask Mathew Embry: can get into this i Mathew Embry: struggled with alcoholism in Mathew Embry: you about the Mathew Embry: my late 30s so we i went to Mathew Embry: it peaked at 40 Mathew Embry: so i went into recovery it Mathew Embry: was the second week it was Mathew Embry: the week after my first Mathew Embry: entry point to Mathew Embry: recovery that i decided to Mathew Embry: go back that decision Mathew Embry: changed my entire life one Mathew Embry: one meeting to go to because Mathew Embry: i knew that if i went then i Mathew Embry: was on the road to sobriety Mathew Embry: and as soon as i took that Mathew Embry: the missile this has nothing Mathew Embry: to do with ms obviously but Mathew Embry: i mean a lot of you guys Mathew Embry: struggle with alcoholism the Mathew Embry: that decision transformed my Mathew Embry: life my family's life like Mathew Embry: and i don't know Mathew Embry: know how many others that i Mathew Embry: shared online who read the Mathew Embry: message or who've contacted Mathew Embry: me afterwards words but it Mathew Embry: seems like well he entered Mathew Embry: recovery and he got better Mathew Embry: I'm like, oh, no, I tried Mathew Embry: well no like yeah i try i Mathew Embry: recovery, the second Mathew Embry: went Mathew Embry: to recovery but it was the Mathew Embry: second it was the second Mathew Embry: decision that was the big Mathew Embry: one does that make sense Kevin Halliday: second decision to stop Kevin Halliday: drinking or Mathew Embry: the to keep going to Mathew Embry: recovery keep going every Kevin Halliday: going how often did you go Mathew Embry: week Mathew Embry: and and Kevin Halliday: who got you into it like Kevin Halliday: uh Kevin Halliday: i Kevin Halliday: how did you get introduced Kevin Halliday: to Kevin Halliday: it Mathew Embry: checked it online Mathew Embry: and that Mathew Embry: line Kevin Halliday: well i Kevin Halliday: and then going there and Kevin Halliday: when did you realize and Kevin Halliday: how did you realize you Kevin Halliday: had a problem Mathew Embry: mean i think you Kevin Halliday: we don't it's kind of like Kevin Halliday: you don't know you're in Kevin Halliday: jail until you break out Kevin Halliday: so going back into your Kevin Halliday: life and here you are Kevin Halliday: drinking you're going Kevin Halliday: through it when when is Kevin Halliday: enough enough Mathew Embry: you hit rock bottom i mean i Mathew Embry: don't know if you want to go Mathew Embry: there with this interview Mathew Embry: yeah Kevin Halliday: course no because it's Kevin Halliday: about guys and men and Kevin Halliday: they'll go rock bottom Kevin Halliday: because there's a lot lot Kevin Halliday: of guys that talk about Kevin Halliday: rock bottom but don't know Kevin Halliday: how to get out of rock Kevin Halliday: bottom and it's and it's Kevin Halliday: it shares an experience Kevin Halliday: that they can go through Kevin Halliday: we like to talk about oh Kevin Halliday: well here's our greatest Kevin Halliday: yeah yeah Kevin Halliday: things Kevin Halliday: that we've ever done but Kevin Halliday: no there's guys that are Kevin Halliday: listening here that are Kevin Halliday: just getting there getting Kevin Halliday: handed to them they're Kevin Halliday: going well what is rock Kevin Halliday: bottom well to me it was Kevin Halliday: this or this no Mathew Embry: no i mean for me it's like Mathew Embry: alcoholism was like a frog Mathew Embry: in water do you know what i Mathew Embry: mean like i started i mean i Mathew Embry: never was really a drinker Mathew Embry: in my 20s like socially went Mathew Embry: out to the bars the clubs Mathew Embry: all that kind of Mathew Embry: thing but then slowly you Mathew Embry: know as i became more and Mathew Embry: more successful everywhere Mathew Embry: you go political political Mathew Embry: parties, entertainment Mathew Embry: parties, work parties, like Mathew Embry: football games. Now you have Mathew Embry: the tickets, you know what I Mathew Embry: mean? Like, all of a sudden, Mathew Embry: incrementally, you're having Mathew Embry: two drinks Mathew Embry: a day, three drinks a day. Mathew Embry: And it's, you know, it's one Mathew Embry: of the part of the social Mathew Embry: fabric, it's so socially Mathew Embry: acceptable. And that's why, Mathew Embry: you know, I do share my Mathew Embry: story, it just started to Mathew Embry: accelerate. Mathew Embry: And then suddenly, by the Mathew Embry: time I was 38, it was just Mathew Embry: like, bang, there I was. Mathew Embry: So Kevin Halliday: weren't you weren't you Kevin Halliday: worried about ms Kevin Halliday: well Mathew Embry: like all of a sudden you're Mathew Embry: that's this is the thing Mathew Embry: this Mathew Embry: it's like you google it Mathew Embry: right now it's like you can Mathew Embry: google it like there's Mathew Embry: articles about how alcohol Mathew Embry: could be good for multiple Mathew Embry: sclerosis and i just ran Mathew Embry: with that Mathew Embry: like i just ran with it i'm Mathew Embry: like all right i'm sticking Mathew Embry: to my diet i'm still Mathew Embry: exercising i'm still doing Mathew Embry: this like i'm still here are Mathew Embry: the things i'm doing still Mathew Embry: don't vitamin d taking tons Mathew Embry: of probiotics and alcohol is Mathew Embry: Totally. Mathew Embry: not really slowing me down Mathew Embry: well it is but not the way i Mathew Embry: think it is if that makes Mathew Embry: sense and the one term i i Mathew Embry: hate this term high Mathew Embry: functioning alcoholic i hate Mathew Embry: the term because it's Mathew Embry: egotistical in itself in my Mathew Embry: opinion it's like i'm an Mathew Embry: alcoholic but i'm Mathew Embry: still better than other Mathew Embry: alcoholics like it is like Mathew Embry: what are you talking about Mathew Embry: like so you could do more Mathew Embry: doesn't mean you're high Mathew Embry: functioning it just means Mathew Embry: like you were able to you Mathew Embry: know possibly Mathew Embry: achieve on the outside more Mathew Embry: than the average person who Mathew Embry: struggles with the disease Mathew Embry: so i was was just a person Mathew Embry: who could drink and it Mathew Embry: didn't really affect that Mathew Embry: much until it did and that's Mathew Embry: where i share with people Mathew Embry: like my ride to like you Mathew Embry: know kind of struggling with Mathew Embry: alcohol to stage three Mathew Embry: alcoholism was like 18 Mathew Embry: months it was just like bang Mathew Embry: and i you know you go to you Mathew Embry: go into Mathew Embry: however recovery programs Mathew Embry: you hear the same story over Mathew Embry: and over like over and over Mathew Embry: and over and it's just like Mathew Embry: okay it's just for me when i Mathew Embry: entered recovery it was just Mathew Embry: a group of guys like me i I Mathew Embry: went to an all man's and it Mathew Embry: was just like a group of Mathew Embry: guys like me when I Mathew Embry: walked, I couldn't believe Mathew Embry: it. I could not believe it. Mathew Embry: And then I'm like, okay, we Mathew Embry: all got here. A lot of ex Mathew Embry: athletes, ton of ex Mathew Embry: athletes. You know, this is Mathew Embry: never talked about in young Mathew Embry: sports programs. Mathew Embry: Your chances of becoming an Mathew Embry: alcoholism with an athlete Mathew Embry: are much higher than the Mathew Embry: average person. You never Mathew Embry: hear that. That's just true. Kevin Halliday: no Mathew Embry: And so it's like, okay, Mathew Embry: that I was just one of Mathew Embry: those, one of those people. Mathew Embry: And it's just like, well, Mathew Embry: that had its long -term Mathew Embry: consequences and like anyone Mathew Embry: else who struggles with an Mathew Embry: addiction Mathew Embry: it's gonna hit rock bottom Mathew Embry: for me it was a block party Mathew Embry: where i drank too much and Mathew Embry: passed out and split my head Mathew Embry: open and my wife found me it Mathew Embry: was awful but it's like that Mathew Embry: that happened and then Mathew Embry: i transformed my life so Mathew Embry: whatever that you know Mathew Embry: but Mathew Embry: whatever that journey is to Mathew Embry: hitting the bottom Mathew Embry: them to bounce back up is Mathew Embry: different for everybody but Kevin Halliday: that one day a hit in your Kevin Halliday: head you're waking up here Kevin Halliday: you are your wife's over Kevin Halliday: top and you don't remember Kevin Halliday: the day before you don't Kevin Halliday: remember what the hell did Kevin Halliday: i do last night oh my gosh Kevin Halliday: and then all of a sudden Kevin Halliday: that defining moment in Kevin Halliday: time that fork in the road Kevin Halliday: that one thing that Kevin Halliday: decision to stop okay and Kevin Halliday: then to go there and now Kevin Halliday: the journey and Mathew Embry: yeah Kevin Halliday: now the work journey on Kevin Halliday: top of that how did that Kevin Halliday: mentally change your work Kevin Halliday: as well because you're in Kevin Halliday: the film industry Kevin Halliday: okay the social side of it Kevin Halliday: and having not to drink at Kevin Halliday: night to go on these Kevin Halliday: events not from experience Kevin Halliday: when you listen to people Kevin Halliday: you go to these events and Kevin Halliday: then you'd hear the same Kevin Halliday: story twice and over and Kevin Halliday: go oh man that was me that Kevin Halliday: was Mathew Embry: me yeah yeah yeah Kevin Halliday: then all of a sudden Kevin Halliday: having to change your Kevin Halliday: perspective Mathew Embry: yeah Kevin Halliday: how did that affect you in Kevin Halliday: business Mathew Embry: oh it's massive but you Mathew Embry: this Mathew Embry: know here's here's the thing Mathew Embry: i mean this is another Mathew Embry: message i try to share which Mathew Embry: is really hard when you Mathew Embry: realize that your health is Mathew Embry: the absolute center of the Mathew Embry: world you create nothing Mathew Embry: else Mathew Embry: matters nothing i tell this Mathew Embry: people and they think i'm Mathew Embry: crazy so i mean i remember Mathew Embry: something very vivid okay i Mathew Embry: was at this conference you Mathew Embry: know how we all go to Mathew Embry: conferences to network and Mathew Embry: all this Mathew Embry: type of thing and i was in Mathew Embry: the fancy area of the hotel Mathew Embry: where all the the ceos and Mathew Embry: all the the you you know, Mathew Embry: the top people are there. Mathew Embry: All drinks are out, all that Mathew Embry: kind of thing. And I walked, Mathew Embry: I stopped, I looked at Mathew Embry: everybody and I said, you Mathew Embry: know, I'm going to the gym. Mathew Embry: Went back to my hotel room, Mathew Embry: got my gym stuff off, went Mathew Embry: down to the gym, didn't go Mathew Embry: to the party. Guess what? Mathew Embry: My crew went up. My crew Mathew Embry: amplified. Mathew Embry: It didn't go down. Didn't Mathew Embry: matter that I didn't meet Mathew Embry: anybody. Didn't matter that Mathew Embry: I didn't have drinks with Mathew Embry: everybody. What mattered was Mathew Embry: I got better. And then the Mathew Embry: better I got and I figured Mathew Embry: this out I was like huh like Mathew Embry: if I just keep working on Mathew Embry: myself inside and then Mathew Embry: outside with the body the Mathew Embry: outside world should Mathew Embry: manifest something better Mathew Embry: sure as heck new people come Mathew Embry: into my life new Mathew Embry: opportunities happen you Mathew Embry: enter a different you know Mathew Embry: reality you literally enter Mathew Embry: it's Mathew Embry: a different Mathew Embry: reality Kevin Halliday: like all of a sudden you Kevin Halliday: become that you finally Kevin Halliday: can love yourself for who Kevin Halliday: you are versus going to a Kevin Halliday: party like that and then Kevin Halliday: all of a sudden you become Kevin Halliday: their story. Yeah, Kevin Halliday: exactly. Mathew Embry: and the by love yourself Mathew Embry: self, I mean, this is, Mathew Embry: again, this is a challenging Mathew Embry: one, because I tell people, Mathew Embry: well, loving yourself is not Mathew Embry: relaxing. Like, loving Mathew Embry: yourself is going to the Mathew Embry: gym. Loving yourself is Mathew Embry: meditation. Loving Mathew Embry: yourself is studying, you Mathew Embry: know, I'm not dogmatic, Mathew Embry: studying whatever spiritual, Mathew Embry: you know, information you Mathew Embry: need at the time. It's, you Mathew Embry: know, you've got to, it's Mathew Embry: mental, physical, spiritual. Mathew Embry: Like, you Mathew Embry: don't, you miss one of Mathew Embry: those, you're going to hit Mathew Embry: rock bottom eventually. Mathew Embry: You're going to be checking Mathew Embry: and my website eventually Mathew Embry: you know and i and i'm i i'm Mathew Embry: not all there like i tell Mathew Embry: people like i suffer i Mathew Embry: struggle with anger i Mathew Embry: struggle with fear i'm Mathew Embry: imperfect like i have to Mathew Embry: negotiate with Mathew Embry: myself every day at lunch to Mathew Embry: have a salad like every day Kevin Halliday: Hey, I'm Mathew Embry: like i want a sandwich but Mathew Embry: i'm like no you got to do Mathew Embry: this uh and then i tell Mathew Embry: people like you got to have Mathew Embry: purpose you got to know why Mathew Embry: you're doing this like Mathew Embry: you've got to have like a Mathew Embry: reason to to be so Mathew Embry: disciplined and to be and Mathew Embry: it's not something you got Mathew Embry: to do something like what i Mathew Embry: the thing i do i do that Mathew Embry: like i have a picture of Mathew Embry: my kids in my gym locker Mathew Embry: it's that simple so every Mathew Embry: time i go to the gym i open Mathew Embry: it up and there's the Mathew Embry: pictures of them all in the Mathew Embry: thing i'm like this is why Mathew Embry: i'm doing it like that one Mathew Embry: little thing Mathew Embry: will just push me over the Mathew Embry: edge like it's not big it's Mathew Embry: not huge it's just reminding Mathew Embry: me physically in this world Mathew Embry: reality of like why i'm Mathew Embry: doing what i do and Kevin Halliday: and then let's get it back Kevin Halliday: because I really want to Kevin Halliday: push on it. Kevin Halliday: sure Kevin Halliday: A lot of men have a hard Mathew Embry: yeah Kevin Halliday: time, and women too, and Kevin Halliday: just where we're at here. Kevin Halliday: One of the things is Kevin Halliday: finding purpose, okay? Kevin Halliday: yeah Kevin Halliday: And yours, the locker, to Kevin Halliday: find purpose to do this. Kevin Halliday: What other, from Kevin Halliday: experience, that you found Kevin Halliday: that you actually had? Kevin Halliday: Because, yes, you looked Kevin Halliday: at your locker, your kids, Kevin Halliday: for today, and you see it, Kevin Halliday: but there'd be something Kevin Halliday: more to it as well. Kevin Halliday: There's something else. Kevin Halliday: Okay, wait, I've got my Kevin Halliday: kids, I'm there, but I Kevin Halliday: need more purpose. Kevin Halliday: it's Mathew Embry: easy it's easy man it's in Mathew Embry: Is it something? Mathew Embry: Okay. Mathew Embry: your own suffering it's Mathew Embry: in your own suffering Kevin Halliday: whatever Kevin Halliday: Explain. Mathew Embry: whoever's watching this Mathew Embry: whatever you are suffering Mathew Embry: with whatever it was in your Mathew Embry: life that you had to Mathew Embry: overcome maybe it's bully Mathew Embry: maybe it building maybe it Mathew Embry: was Mathew Embry: racism maybe it was you Mathew Embry: struggled at school I don't Mathew Embry: care what whatever it was Mathew Embry: that you struggled with that Mathew Embry: you made you suffer that's Mathew Embry: your purpose once you Mathew Embry: overcome it you have the Mathew Embry: information to help others Mathew Embry: overcome what you did it's Mathew Embry: that simple so it's like Mathew Embry: it's like you don't have to Mathew Embry: go run out there and Mathew Embry: figure it out. It's just Mathew Embry: like, look in the mirror, Mathew Embry: ask yourself, where did I Mathew Embry: suffer? And how did I Mathew Embry: overcome it? And if you did Mathew Embry: overcome it, that's the Mathew Embry: point. Mathew Embry: So now you get to go change Mathew Embry: the world because you have Mathew Embry: the information, maybe not Mathew Embry: for everybody, but for a lot Mathew Embry: of people that to help Mathew Embry: and heal them. And then the Mathew Embry: more you do that, the Mathew Embry: happier you are, and then Mathew Embry: the better the world world Mathew Embry: gets so for me it's like a Mathew Embry: no -brainer it's like well Mathew Embry: i've got multiple sclerosis Mathew Embry: that was my Mathew Embry: suffering therefore make a Mathew Embry: charity ms hope like make Mathew Embry: documentaries help people Mathew Embry: all over the world like Mathew Embry: that's how it works now with Mathew Embry: the alcoholism that's what Mathew Embry: my next film is about is Mathew Embry: maybe that's Mathew Embry: going to change my Mathew Embry: trajectory because maybe Mathew Embry: there's more people that i Mathew Embry: can help with addiction Mathew Embry: recovery than it was with ms Mathew Embry: i don't know but those are Mathew Embry: my two like major say Mathew Embry: hurdles that i had Mathew Embry: that i've overcome um and i Mathew Embry: never say that i'm like out Mathew Embry: of the woods because you Mathew Embry: never know Kevin Halliday: So when you look at your Kevin Halliday: documentaries, Kevin Halliday: documentary yeah yeah Kevin Halliday: there seems to be a theme Kevin Halliday: here, obviously, right? So Kevin Halliday: the theme is helping. Mathew Embry: yeah Kevin Halliday: Helping others. Tell the Mathew Embry: that's Kevin Halliday: story that helps others Kevin Halliday: that they can understand Kevin Halliday: where they were at. Mathew Embry: your story that helps others Kevin Halliday: Mm -hmm. Kevin Halliday: Most impactful. Which Kevin Halliday: documentary was most Kevin Halliday: impactful? And it can't be Kevin Halliday: that Kevin Halliday: your own. Mathew Embry: Because yours was, Mathew Embry: i've watched Kevin Halliday: or produced or did, Kevin Halliday: anything. Mathew Embry: i've been in or like uh that Kevin Halliday: Either or. It can be in, Mathew Embry: i Kevin Halliday: watched, did. Kevin Halliday: Something that really Kevin Halliday: inspired you. during Kevin Halliday: Because you're in the film Kevin Halliday: industry. You see Kevin Halliday: thousands. Kevin Halliday: I Mathew Embry: don't know man like i mean Mathew Embry: it's a good it's a really Mathew Embry: good question i mean i think Mathew Embry: now it's like i can't answer Mathew Embry: that because when i release Mathew Embry: a film like i released Mathew Embry: remember when there's a big Mathew Embry: flood in calgary Mm -hmm. Mathew Embry: guy released a film called Mathew Embry: hell or high water and it Mathew Embry: was on that flood Mathew Embry: and i was looking on some Mathew Embry: blog and there was this Mathew Embry: woman who wrote about how Mathew Embry: like that film helped her Mathew Embry: get through her divorce and Mathew Embry: And I was like, what? Mathew Embry: Like, it did? Kevin Halliday: How? Mathew Embry: Like, whatever. Mathew Embry: Like, it doesn't matter. And Mathew Embry: so, like, I've just kind of Mathew Embry: come to the realization that Mathew Embry: there's a higher hand that's Mathew Embry: making these films. I'm a Mathew Embry: conduit to that device, to Mathew Embry: that form. Mathew Embry: I'm just simply a messenger. Mathew Embry: And that those films are Mathew Embry: intended to help people in Mathew Embry: ways I can never understand. Mathew Embry: But that's not up to me. And Mathew Embry: I don't necessarily should Mathew Embry: take credit for it either. Mathew Embry: because i don't know where Mathew Embry: my ideas come from i don't Mathew Embry: know what motivates me Mathew Embry: outside of my brain Mathew Embry: so i can only infer that Mathew Embry: there's something bigger Mathew Embry: going on than me so then i Mathew Embry: and Mathew Embry: could be grateful that Mathew Embry: i get to be part of that Mathew Embry: exercise it's Kevin Halliday: it's interesting because Kevin Halliday: when you what you just Kevin Halliday: said there and you're Kevin Halliday: looking at all these films Kevin Halliday: hell high water whatever Kevin Halliday: you're going to talk would Kevin Halliday: help their divorce okay Kevin Halliday: and you have no idea how Kevin Halliday: that could even be Kevin Halliday: possible right Kevin Halliday: now take a look at your Kevin Halliday: film okay and then you're Kevin Halliday: going into the ms and Kevin Halliday: you're talking about hope Kevin Halliday: and then you're doing your Kevin Halliday: storytelling okay which is Kevin Halliday: awesome and then Kevin Halliday: somebody's looking at it Kevin Halliday: totally different like Kevin Halliday: you wouldn't even see it Kevin Halliday: and understanding it and Kevin Halliday: going here you are and Kevin Halliday: there's tons of interviews Kevin Halliday: with you on that film Kevin Halliday: sure yeah Kevin Halliday: and what you had done and Kevin Halliday: opening up what was the Kevin Halliday: biggest surprise that not Kevin Halliday: that it helped ms or Kevin Halliday: getting people involved Kevin Halliday: but what was the one thing Kevin Halliday: that you didn't know how Kevin Halliday: it would help Kevin Halliday: yeah yeah again Kevin Halliday: or somebody's seen Kevin Halliday: something that you didn't Kevin Halliday: see? Mathew Embry: that's a great question i Mathew Embry: mean i think with the film Mathew Embry: it we okay we did we Mathew Embry: We designed it Mathew Embry: designed Mathew Embry: the film intentionally so it Mathew Embry: could represent any disease Mathew Embry: so when i did when i wrote Mathew Embry: to apply Mathew Embry: it i wrote it in a way that Mathew Embry: like for anyone dealing with Mathew Embry: any illness this film should Mathew Embry: help them it's a film Mathew Embry: about agency it's a film Mathew Embry: about taking control of your Mathew Embry: own health it's a film about Mathew Embry: family and it's a film about Mathew Embry: hope and this is this is can Mathew Embry: be applied to any disease Mathew Embry: and any person so that Mathew Embry: was the intention that so I Mathew Embry: knew that from the beginning Mathew Embry: I mean did I know it was Mathew Embry: I know what it is, Mathew Embry: going to go Mathew Embry: all over the world and like Mathew Embry: reach as many people in Mathew Embry: different illnesses I did Mathew Embry: not but I do get like Mathew Embry: but I do get it every Mathew Embry: literally emails every day Mathew Embry: still it's been a decade Mathew Embry: like every day i wake up and Mathew Embry: someone's Mathew Embry: written me an email where Mathew Embry: it's like either the film is Mathew Embry: whether they have ms or Mathew Embry: whether they have something Mathew Embry: else that it's it's Mathew Embry: motivated them or it's like Mathew Embry: they can see things in a Mathew Embry: different Mathew Embry: way um but i didn't know to Mathew Embry: the extent it would change Mathew Embry: my life Kevin Halliday: So as it changed your life Kevin Halliday: to where you're at, and Kevin Halliday: then in the film, and then Kevin Halliday: people will be watching Kevin Halliday: this for sure, and I want Kevin Halliday: to get in more on the Kevin Halliday: business side. So you talk Kevin Halliday: about MS Hope and then MS Kevin Halliday: with the branding. Kevin Halliday: the branding side where Kevin Halliday: they sent you a letter Mathew Embry: cease Kevin Halliday: and desist not using that Kevin Halliday: sure Kevin Halliday: okay on that Kevin Halliday: how did you feel about Kevin Halliday: that part Mathew Embry: i mean i think that was you Mathew Embry: know that's obviously in the Mathew Embry: that's in the film that we Mathew Embry: had that that issue when it Mathew Embry: came to the branding Mathew Embry: understanding um for me Mathew Embry: again it's like anything Mathew Embry: else like i use emotion like Mathew Embry: negative emotions Mathew Embry: for me to drive me like they Mathew Embry: just drive me like you know Mathew Embry: i almost thank people when Mathew Embry: they make me angry because Mathew Embry: i'm like all right let's go Mathew Embry: and then it just gives me Mathew Embry: something to push against Mathew Embry: you know and i think right Mathew Embry: or wrong that's just how i'm Mathew Embry: built so i can't stay in a Mathew Embry: negative space for long well Mathew Embry: you might say something Mathew Embry: angry makes me mad today i'm Mathew Embry: just gonna go work out Mathew Embry: harder Mathew Embry: today and i'll be like yeah Mathew Embry: that guy and he said this to Mathew Embry: and it was Mathew Embry: me and i'm like okay let's Mathew Embry: go and then i Mathew Embry: just get better like that's Mathew Embry: just how i see it so it's Mathew Embry: like when that happened i'm Mathew Embry: like all right Mathew Embry: it's going in the movie like Kevin Halliday: interesting because it Mathew Embry: this is going to go in the Mathew Embry: film Kevin Halliday: went in the film and as Kevin Halliday: i'm watching this and all Kevin Halliday: of a sudden and I'm Kevin Halliday: looking at it in a Kevin Halliday: different perspective, Kevin Halliday: okay? As I'm looking at Kevin Halliday: this and I'm going, here's Kevin Halliday: a brand. So here you are, Kevin Halliday: you're a business owner, Kevin Halliday: okay? Kevin Halliday: You own a, you have a Kevin Halliday: film, Mathew Embry: you Kevin Halliday: have a business, Kevin Halliday: and all of a sudden people Kevin Halliday: envy you, for the fact Kevin Halliday: respect you, want to be Kevin Halliday: you. But then they start Mathew Embry: Maybe. Kevin Halliday: to use your material. Mathew Embry: Yeah, but here's the thing, Mathew Embry: man. MS Hope is 100 % Mathew Embry: volunteer for me. Kevin Halliday: Mm -hmm, Mathew Embry: right. Mathew Embry: There's no money for me. It Mathew Embry: is purely volunteer. Mathew Embry: really want to In fact, I Mathew Embry: lose money. I lose a ton of Kevin Halliday: Right, Mathew Embry: oh yeah. Mathew Embry: money. Mathew Embry: But I actually care. So I'm Mathew Embry: like, well, I don't care. So Mathew Embry: the website, everything, Mathew Embry: it's all free. free so i Mathew Embry: mean and then also too like Mathew Embry: i just am a firm believer in Mathew Embry: that like whatever you have Mathew Embry: in Mathew Embry: this life is temporary so Mathew Embry: like if someone wants to rip Mathew Embry: the movie and stick it on Mathew Embry: youtube which they have i'll Mathew Embry: just share the link because Mathew Embry: i'll be like oh okay great Mathew Embry: you don't have amazon prime Mathew Embry: go watch it here like i just Mathew Embry: don't care like people like Mathew Embry: well what if they steal it Mathew Embry: from me Mathew Embry: so they must have needed it Mathew Embry: more than me and if someone Mathew Embry: does steal my car while Mathew Embry: we're talking the suffering Mathew Embry: they're gonna have to go Mathew Embry: through is like i feel bad Mathew Embry: for them um Kevin Halliday: like Mathew Embry: they have a decade of Mathew Embry: suffering to to heal from Mathew Embry: what they just did to me i Mathew Embry: can't do anything about that Kevin Halliday: and Mathew Embry: then when it comes to like i Mathew Embry: just have unbridled faith of Mathew Embry: everything working out like Mathew Embry: i just do so if something Mathew Embry: bad in business happens like Mathew Embry: something else will come Mathew Embry: And then Mathew Embry: and then i just wait like i Mathew Embry: just wait and then something Mathew Embry: happens then i act on it and Mathew Embry: then i keep going does that Mathew Embry: make sense Kevin Halliday: Kind of. I'm going to Kevin Halliday: drill down a Kevin Halliday: down yeah let's Mathew Embry: little bit, Mathew Embry: do it Mathew Embry: Morty, Kevin Halliday: because the thing is I'm Kevin Halliday: looking at it is if Kevin Halliday: someone was ripping off Kevin Halliday: your stuff, which is fine, Kevin Halliday: okay, okay, you're okay Kevin Halliday: with that, okay? Kevin Halliday: yeah So they're doing Kevin Halliday: this. And I was looking at Kevin Halliday: it when I was looking at Kevin Halliday: it. So here's MS Hope Kevin Halliday: doing what to do. Kevin Halliday: you non -profit Kevin Halliday: It's nonprofit. you're Kevin Halliday: losing money in doing this Kevin Halliday: and people and you're Kevin Halliday: helping people don't don't Kevin Halliday: kid yourself because you Kevin Halliday: are like with your book Kevin Halliday: what you guys are doing Kevin Halliday: the diet that's a whole Kevin Halliday: different story Kevin Halliday: that people should be Kevin Halliday: looking at that book about Kevin Halliday: health right off the bat Kevin Halliday: to eat healthy and how Kevin Halliday: important that is like you Kevin Halliday: said in the movie you're Kevin Halliday: going in there it's for Kevin Halliday: everybody Mathew Embry: yeah Mathew Embry: but Kevin Halliday: as i want to get into that Kevin Halliday: is you're living it Kevin Halliday: breathing it who you are Kevin Halliday: okay so emotionally you're Kevin Halliday: attached to ms hope okay Kevin Halliday: emotionally can you pull Kevin Halliday: yourself away and not be Kevin Halliday: attached and look at as a Kevin Halliday: business side Mathew Embry: not the charity not the Mathew Embry: charity side Mathew Embry: for me it's all it's just Mathew Embry: simply it's it's simply Mathew Embry: that's Mathew Embry: getting people information Mathew Embry: like it's just that simple Mathew Embry: like for me it's just you Mathew Embry: know how can we get people Mathew Embry: the Mathew Embry: intel the the genesis of it Mathew Embry: for me i mean my parents Mathew Embry: started the charity in a Mathew Embry: different way for me the the Mathew Embry: the intention is that when Mathew Embry: the 19 year old kid that i Mathew Embry: was get diagnosed they go to Mathew Embry: my website and they're like Mathew Embry: i'm good that's it because i Mathew Embry: didn't have that there there Mathew Embry: was no no website for me to Mathew Embry: check there was no book that Mathew Embry: there was one book uh but i Mathew Embry: didn't get to look at Mathew Embry: what the person looked like Mathew Embry: like i didn't get to see Mathew Embry: them and so i had to Mathew Embry: envision them what they must Mathew Embry: be like and i hope that Mathew Embry: everything was going to be Mathew Embry: okay but for that 19 year Mathew Embry: old kid you know Mathew Embry: girl or guy i don't care Mathew Embry: like they look at it and Mathew Embry: like i just okay one thing i Mathew Embry: do all the time is i just Mathew Embry: post like a selfie of me Mathew Embry: working out and like some Mathew Embry: people criticize me for this Mathew Embry: every day when i to do this Mathew Embry: it's not the only reason i Mathew Embry: do that is because i know Mathew Embry: there's people who are Mathew Embry: checking Mathew Embry: my site just to make sure Mathew Embry: i'm standing i know it it Kevin Halliday: know well really Mathew Embry: may not be you but it's Mathew Embry: someone with ms who's just Mathew Embry: checking and being like is Mathew Embry: he still standing because if Mathew Embry: he's still standing it Mathew Embry: affirms Mathew Embry: the choices i'm making today Mathew Embry: that's it they don't read my Mathew Embry: content they don't watch my Mathew Embry: movies they're just making Mathew Embry: sure i'm healthy and like if Mathew Embry: you don't have ms and you Mathew Embry: don't understand that that Mathew Embry: may not Mathew Embry: not be you but i don't care Mathew Embry: like i know there's enough Mathew Embry: people out there who just Mathew Embry: want to see that because i'm Mathew Embry: that person like i go check Mathew Embry: other like i will check Mathew Embry: how's david goggins doing Mathew Embry: just to make sure Kevin Halliday: because Mathew Embry: i'm like he's helped me and Mathew Embry: like he inspires me so i Mathew Embry: just want to make sure he's Mathew Embry: doing i'll just look like Mathew Embry: okay he's still running Mathew Embry: that's all i need i don't Mathew Embry: need to do too deep of a Mathew Embry: dive but i'm that person for Mathew Embry: other people so Mathew Embry: what's the thing i get it Mathew Embry: takes me what what two Mathew Embry: seconds like story and then Mathew Embry: like you don't know so like Mathew Embry: for me that's like again Mathew Embry: that's just there's two very Mathew Embry: different silos in my life Mathew Embry: one is this charity piece Mathew Embry: that is just purely Mathew Embry: charity it's just purely Mathew Embry: giving back and the other Mathew Embry: one is my businesses which i Mathew Embry: agree my businesses i treat Mathew Embry: that a different way right Kevin Halliday: day yeah night and day Kevin Halliday: this is exactly where so Kevin Halliday: going back and so you look Kevin Halliday: at so 19 to Kevin Halliday: the 19th yeah then all Kevin Halliday: Here we are at 50. Kevin Halliday: Then all of a sudden, you Kevin Halliday: have a message that you Kevin Halliday: want to tell everyone out Kevin Halliday: there, okay? MS Hope, you Kevin Halliday: want to tell everybody the Kevin Halliday: message. Kevin Halliday: Now, people go on to Kevin Halliday: Google. Kevin Halliday: People go on to AI. Kevin Halliday: What is the same message? Kevin Halliday: Are you saying the same Kevin Halliday: message that that's Kevin Halliday: saying, or what do you Kevin Halliday: want them to take away Kevin Halliday: from? This is awesome. Mathew Embry: i'm loving that you went Mathew Embry: here because a lot of people Mathew Embry: don't get why i'm so happy Mathew Embry: about this okay because i Mathew Embry: checked i checked so if you Mathew Embry: went back 15 years ago okay Mathew Embry: and you put Mathew Embry: diet and ms it was like Mathew Embry: there was nothing this was Mathew Embry: fringe you know it was like Mathew Embry: whatever like this is Mathew Embry: pseudoscience and all this Mathew Embry: type of stuff now you go to Mathew Embry: chat gpt and you're like if Mathew Embry: you were diagnosed with Mathew Embry: multiple sclerosis what Mathew Embry: would you do nutrition is Mathew Embry: right there so we hit Mathew Embry: critical mass Mathew Embry: like i call my dad on this Mathew Embry: and i'm like dad like do we Mathew Embry: need to keep pushing because Mathew Embry: we hit critical mass like Mathew Embry: our goal to get this Mathew Embry: information to the world is Mathew Embry: is done -zo. Mathew Embry: dunzo it's there it's like Mathew Embry: it's in google Mathew Embry: it's in ai it's in pubmed Mathew Embry: like the war that we were Mathew Embry: fighting 15 years ago i feel Mathew Embry: we won like big time and Mathew Embry: then with the ms hope we Mathew Embry: just double down on it so Mathew Embry: it's like well this is what Mathew Embry: the ai AI says, come check Mathew Embry: out our 1 ,500 -article Mathew Embry: bibliography we have to Mathew Embry: support that. Kevin Halliday: and you know what it's Kevin Halliday: crazy is it's kind of like Kevin Halliday: one of these things we say Kevin Halliday: now here we are we Kevin Halliday: we know ai we got google Kevin Halliday: We've got people. Kevin Halliday: you guys have already got Kevin Halliday: critical mass now how do Kevin Halliday: we ask ourselves Kevin Halliday: a better question is it ms Kevin Halliday: Who's the MS person? okay Kevin Halliday: hope Kevin Halliday: what are we not asking Kevin Halliday: where it's not that i'm Kevin Halliday: here to help out ms yes Kevin Halliday: i'm going to help out with Kevin Halliday: ms 100 but i'm going to Kevin Halliday: help out every individual Kevin Halliday: Joel now because I have Kevin Halliday: critical mass what is the Kevin Halliday: power that I have to make Kevin Halliday: change because you've Kevin Halliday: already got the answer the Kevin Halliday: recipe Kevin Halliday: yeah Kevin Halliday: that everybody wants now Kevin Halliday: now what's the next Kevin Halliday: message Mathew Embry: so that's that's why i'm Mathew Embry: here today and so and i'll Mathew Embry: explain that i'll unpack Mathew Embry: that a bit because now it's Mathew Embry: a matter of allowing a Mathew Embry: larger Mathew Embry: process to carry this so i Mathew Embry: show up today simply because Mathew Embry: i know there's a bigger Mathew Embry: force at work Mathew Embry: and so and i know every Mathew Embry: know everything you Mathew Embry: single day i will be tasked Mathew Embry: to do things like this Mathew Embry: because the message Mathew Embry: is getting carried without Mathew Embry: me doing anything i now just Mathew Embry: need to show up now if i Mathew Embry: don't show up you're right Mathew Embry: have i am i helping no like Mathew Embry: i'm not but if i keep Mathew Embry: showing up now then it's Mathew Embry: that Mathew Embry: message like i don't know Mathew Embry: how many people are gonna Mathew Embry: watch this like is it could Mathew Embry: go this could could go wild Mathew Embry: like i don't know like maybe Mathew Embry: nobody like i don't care Mathew Embry: like if it reaches one Mathew Embry: person awesome if it reaches Mathew Embry: a million great i don't care Mathew Embry: like both are the same to me Mathew Embry: if that makes Mathew Embry: sense here's another thing Mathew Embry: too like i've got i think Mathew Embry: right now roughly 150 000 Mathew Embry: a Mathew Embry: ish followers Mathew Embry: on all my platforms roughly Mathew Embry: like direct followers that's Mathew Embry: my personal phone number on Mathew Embry: the site Mathew Embry: that's my personal phone Mathew Embry: number on facebook no and Kevin Halliday: And do they call you? Mathew Embry: that is my proof that you Mathew Embry: will only be given Mathew Embry: the people you need to help Mathew Embry: it's proof because Mathew Embry: statistically that is Mathew Embry: impossible and i get maybe Mathew Embry: one call every two months Mathew Embry: and the person's like hello Mathew Embry: and i'm like yeah it's me Mathew Embry: and they can't Mathew Embry: believe it and i'm like Mathew Embry: trust me you're getting Mathew Embry: through because this is how Mathew Embry: it works you need the Mathew Embry: information so i've stopped Mathew Embry: i've just given up in Mathew Embry: regards to like do i need to Mathew Embry: reach the masses no Mathew Embry: i don't i just need to keep Mathew Embry: doing what i'm being tasked Mathew Embry: to do and i think that what Mathew Embry: i've got to share with Mathew Embry: people now more even more so Mathew Embry: with than the ms hope Mathew Embry: information is if there was Mathew Embry: a cure for Mathew Embry: ms tomorrow i wouldn't Mathew Embry: change my life like i would Mathew Embry: not change the way i eat the Mathew Embry: way i exercise Mathew Embry: exercise the way i meditate Mathew Embry: the way i read scripture the Mathew Embry: way i treat others none of Mathew Embry: it would shift because if Mathew Embry: change. Mathew Embry: it's not ms something else Mathew Embry: and once you cross 50 it's Mathew Embry: game time Mathew Embry: like i tell people once Mathew Embry: you're over 50 so every Mathew Embry: every social interaction is Mathew Embry: a risk because you ask how Mathew Embry: you're doing you should be Mathew Embry: asking how bad are things Kevin Halliday: How true that is, because Kevin Halliday: as soon as you hit that Kevin Halliday: 50, it's like, oh, well, Kevin Halliday: you know, I have this, Kevin Halliday: this. yeah Kevin Halliday: How true, yes. Mathew Embry: how bad are things like have Mathew Embry: your parents died yet what Mathew Embry: serious issues are your kids Mathew Embry: going through this is no Mathew Embry: longer my kids pooped in the Mathew Embry: pool this is no longer my Mathew Embry: parents you know i've Mathew Embry: got this is like they're Mathew Embry: dying and like my kids are Mathew Embry: like not you know thank god Mathew Embry: you know my kids aren't Mathew Embry: struggling like now but Mathew Embry: other others are unless we Mathew Embry: all as a community need to Mathew Embry: help like Like, we're all a Mathew Embry: village. I mean, that's Mathew Embry: cliche, but it's true. Mathew Embry: So then once you cross 50, Mathew Embry: it's, like, every day is, Mathew Embry: like, a war zone. Mathew Embry: So it's, like, what are you Mathew Embry: going to do? Are you going Mathew Embry: to fold? Mathew Embry: Or are you going to get Mathew Embry: after it? Mathew Embry: And to get after it, it Mathew Embry: starts the moment you open Mathew Embry: your eyes. Like, there's no, Mathew Embry: like, ramp -up time for this Mathew Embry: anymore. Mathew Embry: Like, I would tell people, Mathew Embry: like, stop me if you think Mathew Embry: I'm talking too much. Kevin Halliday: no, keep going. This is Kevin Halliday: good. Mathew Embry: Like, nothing's cute after Mathew Embry: 35. Mathew Embry: Like, nothing is cute. Mathew Embry: Okay? Mathew Embry: i tell people this way Mathew Embry: nothing's cute after 35 Mathew Embry: after 40 you have very Mathew Embry: little chance of a restart Mathew Embry: if you don't restart then 40 Mathew Embry: to 50 is like you're setting Mathew Embry: the table for 50 on 50 to 60 Mathew Embry: this is game Mathew Embry: time this is do or die the Mathew Embry: choices you make now you're Mathew Embry: not coming back after 60 and Mathew Embry: people like like oh you know Mathew Embry: i can fix good luck man like Mathew Embry: this is it you mess up this Mathew Embry: decade you've messed Mathew Embry: up the next it's 20 years of Mathew Embry: suffering like suffering and Mathew Embry: because medical medicine Mathew Embry: modern Mathew Embry: water Mathew Embry: medicine can keep you alive Mathew Embry: longer you suffer longer Mathew Embry: everyone's Mathew Embry: like oh you know it's great Mathew Embry: i'm living to 80 yeah how Mathew Embry: are 70 to 80 how's that Mathew Embry: going because the choices Mathew Embry: you make now now are the Mathew Embry: ones that are going to lead Mathew Embry: to that and like it's way Mathew Embry: harder recovery time is Mathew Embry: Every time, every day. Mathew Embry: harder Mathew Embry: getting up is harder eating Mathew Embry: food is harder sleeping is Mathew Embry: harder like and nobody tells Mathew Embry: you this no one's like hey Mathew Embry: you make 50 it actually gets Mathew Embry: way harder your career Mathew Embry: Your career options, let's Mathew Embry: options it's like Mathew Embry: say, playing NFL football. Mathew Embry: playing nfl football the end Mathew Embry: so as you closer you get to Mathew Embry: the end smaller the end zone Mathew Embry: the the less opportunities, Mathew Embry: Opportunities. Kevin Halliday: right? Kevin Halliday: Yep. Kevin Halliday: And it's so true because a Kevin Halliday: lot of men, when they hit Kevin Halliday: 50, can't find purpose. Kevin Halliday: Because we look at Kevin Halliday: avatars. So same story. So Kevin Halliday: keep it in there. It's all Kevin Halliday: of a sudden, here they are Kevin Halliday: at 50. the average man as Kevin Halliday: you look at it is divorced Kevin Halliday: twice okay divorced first Mathew Embry: Sure, yeah. Kevin Halliday: wife took the house Mathew Embry: Okay. Kevin Halliday: married second wife Kevin Halliday: divorced again now he's in Kevin Halliday: an apartment the kids Kevin Halliday: don't talk to him anymore Kevin Halliday: from the first wife Kevin Halliday: because they're already Kevin Halliday: grown up into it now here Kevin Halliday: he is in an apartment Kevin Halliday: CEO makes makes good money Kevin Halliday: but all of a sudden can't Kevin Halliday: find he's overweight Kevin Halliday: drinks too much too much Kevin Halliday: porn then all of a sudden Kevin Halliday: just can't find purpose Kevin Halliday: and meaning in his life Kevin Halliday: and trying to date yet Kevin Halliday: can't get out there. Kevin Halliday: Yes, he's successful. He Kevin Halliday: goes to the patrol. I'm Kevin Halliday: glad he does this, but he Kevin Halliday: just can't find that next Kevin Halliday: level. Mathew Embry: that's the horror story Mathew Embry: Yeah. Mathew Embry: that's the horror story I Mathew Embry: think that's one horror Mathew Embry: story Mathew Embry: but I've seen many others Mathew Embry: you know and as a Mathew Embry: documentary filmmaker you Mathew Embry: definitely see like a lot of Mathew Embry: of stories that go Mathew Embry: bad you know and i think Mathew Embry: that again a lot of people Mathew Embry: don't want to hear this but Mathew Embry: this is where i'm like if Mathew Embry: you don't harness that fear Mathew Embry: if you don't if you don't Mathew Embry: crystallize that image of Mathew Embry: your Mathew Embry: mind of how bad this Mathew Embry: situation can go for you Mathew Embry: you're living in a little Mathew Embry: bit of a delusion because Mathew Embry: eventually bad times come Mathew Embry: like eventually they come Mathew Embry: like you can't avoid them Mathew Embry: i've seen a Mathew Embry: lot of stories of people who Mathew Embry: they live relatively easy Mathew Embry: lives and then something Mathew Embry: hits them hard later in life Mathew Embry: and i and they're devastated Mathew Embry: and sometimes they don't Mathew Embry: recover i've seen this Mathew Embry: whereas like and i tell Mathew Embry: people this like i was lucky Mathew Embry: at 19 to have get hit the Mathew Embry: way i did it because it gave Mathew Embry: me a perspective that like Mathew Embry: by 20 I mean right away I Mathew Embry: was grateful that I could Mathew Embry: go to the bathroom by myself Mathew Embry: when when you live that way Mathew Embry: like for 31 years when I'm Mathew Embry: grateful to walk up the Mathew Embry: stairs when I'm grateful Mathew Embry: that my house has stairs Mathew Embry: you'll never see me in a bad Mathew Embry: mood Mathew Embry: like you can call me Mathew Embry: tomorrow I'll be in the same Mathew Embry: mood I am like people call Mathew Embry: me like how's it going I'm Mathew Embry: like great and they're like Mathew Embry: why is it always great Mathew Embry: because I can go to the Mathew Embry: bathroom because I Mathew Embry: And you're Mathew Embry: don't have a catheter like Mathew Embry: you know i don't want to Mathew Embry: 50. Kevin Halliday: yeah and i'm Mathew Embry: 50 and i'm like people tell Mathew Embry: me oh i had a bad day what Mathew Embry: happened and i'm like does Mathew Embry: it mean i'm not empathetic Mathew Embry: sometimes sometimes Mathew Embry: because i'm like well what Mathew Embry: what's so bad happened that Mathew Embry: like it's destroying your Mathew Embry: day because what people Mathew Embry: don't want to face is ms is Mathew Embry: more or less in my opinion Mathew Embry: it's an Mathew Embry: it's an accelerated process Mathew Embry: that we all grow through Mathew Embry: every human being is going Mathew Embry: to lose control of their Mathew Embry: motor functions every human Mathew Embry: being is going to lose Mathew Embry: cognition every human being Mathew Embry: is going to end up in a bed Mathew Embry: one day dead everyone so Mathew Embry: it's like we're all on the Mathew Embry: same Mathew Embry: trajectory if you have ms Mathew Embry: you just have it faster but Mathew Embry: we're all going there so Mathew Embry: it's like we're all on this Mathew Embry: train that's going to crash Mathew Embry: and everyone's just partying Mathew Embry: in the middle car and very Mathew Embry: few people are thinking Mathew Embry: about this thing is real bad Mathew Embry: at the end Kevin Halliday: so Mathew Embry: if you're you know if you're Mathew Embry: not happy in the train car Mathew Embry: it's like trust me you're Mathew Embry: not going to be happy when Mathew Embry: this thing crashes Mathew Embry: because it's gonna so Kevin Halliday: So when you're looking at Kevin Halliday: this and you're doing Kevin Halliday: documentaries, okay, and Kevin Halliday: you said you've seen the Kevin Halliday: stories everywhere. Kevin Halliday: everywhere when Kevin Halliday: When you're picking a Kevin Halliday: story or you're going to Kevin Halliday: do a documentary, Kevin Halliday: what are you looking for? Kevin Halliday: What's that ah -ha, that Kevin Halliday: hook? Kevin Halliday: When you're doing it, is Kevin Halliday: it a feeling you're Kevin Halliday: getting? Because I'm sure Kevin Halliday: you get pitched all the Kevin Halliday: time. Here, I want a Kevin Halliday: documentary about this. Kevin Halliday: Here, this guy has this Kevin Halliday: money. Here, let's get the Mathew Embry: that's a great question i Kevin Halliday: money to fund it for that. Kevin Halliday: Or is it as easy as that? Kevin Halliday: Or is it not? I don't know Kevin Halliday: that. Mathew Embry: mean i think in my process i Mathew Embry: just know like i've had Mathew Embry: situations Mathew Embry: i remember one this one Mathew Embry: documentary on this piano Mathew Embry: prodigy i was volunteering Mathew Embry: and i was backstage and i Mathew Embry: heard this child playing the Mathew Embry: piano and i'm like get a Mathew Embry: camera now and we've been Mathew Embry: shooting that Mathew Embry: since 2012 right i was like Mathew Embry: i just know like i just like Mathew Embry: that happened i'm working on Mathew Embry: this project with the with Mathew Embry: david stefan and colette Mathew Embry: stefan the the the story Mathew Embry: where the child tragically Mathew Embry: died and Mathew Embry: um and let the lethbridge Mathew Embry: area working on that for 12 Mathew Embry: years i just knew i had Mathew Embry: access to talk to david i Mathew Embry: flew up to grand prairie Mathew Embry: with my own money drove out Mathew Embry: and saw him and i'm like hey Mathew Embry: man we got to make Mathew Embry: a movie like this we got to Mathew Embry: get this story out here um i Mathew Embry: just kind of get a deep Mathew Embry: sense um this This may sound Mathew Embry: crazy. I'm open to sharing. Mathew Embry: I have a voice in my head Mathew Embry: that tells me stuff. Mathew Embry: And it's not an audible Mathew Embry: a lot of work. Mathew Embry: voice. Mathew Embry: And people call it Mathew Embry: intuition. But mine is very Mathew Embry: loud. Mathew Embry: And in meditation work, I've Mathew Embry: been told in meditation to Mathew Embry: do something specific. Mathew Embry: And I go do it, and Mathew Embry: incredible things happen. Mathew Embry: People call it listening to Mathew Embry: God. Mathew Embry: People have different terms Mathew Embry: for it, intuition. but i'm Mathew Embry: just very in tune with mine Mathew Embry: and i take time to spend Mathew Embry: time with that and to really Mathew Embry: kind Mathew Embry: of hone that ability to Mathew Embry: listen to it carefully and Mathew Embry: then to actually do it which Mathew Embry: is my key message Mathew Embry: do it like if you're going Mathew Embry: to do the nutrition do it if Mathew Embry: you're going to exercise do Mathew Embry: it if you're going to listen Mathew Embry: to an internal voice in Mathew Embry: prayer go do what it says if Mathew Embry: it's good Kevin Halliday: So where do you spend your Kevin Halliday: time meditating? Is it Kevin Halliday: before you wake up during Kevin Halliday: the day? Kevin Halliday: yeah Kevin Halliday: Is there a certain time, Kevin Halliday: or is it just whenever Kevin Halliday: you're free? Mathew Embry: i've done lots of different Mathew Embry: meditation um i've Mathew Embry: Well, let's Mathew Embry: experimented Kevin Halliday: do it with the voice. Mathew Embry: oh that one's a tricky one Mathew Embry: like that one for for me Mathew Embry: personally again i don't Mathew Embry: mind sharing this because Mathew Embry: it's true like it will Mathew Embry: happen in the strangest of Mathew Embry: times sometimes when i'm Mathew Embry: running Mathew Embry: one time when i was Mathew Embry: snowshoeing like even to Mathew Embry: make ms hope it was like a Mathew Embry: voice it was like go do this Mathew Embry: and i just knew i had to go Mathew Embry: do this and i went and wrote Mathew Embry: to my parents said we're Mathew Embry: doing this and then we did Mathew Embry: it right and then you know i Mathew Embry: get this voice that tells me Mathew Embry: to do things from time Mathew Embry: to time you know we could go Mathew Embry: real deep on how that works Mathew Embry: i don't know um Kevin Halliday: Well, what about that Kevin Halliday: moment in time, okay? Kevin Halliday: You see something. Kevin Halliday: Your voice has told you Kevin Halliday: something. Kevin Halliday: yeah Kevin Halliday: Intuition, whatever it is. Kevin Halliday: I got to pick up the phone Kevin Halliday: and call this guy. or I've Kevin Halliday: got to do that film get Kevin Halliday: get on there on the piano Kevin Halliday: yeah guy or tell your dad Kevin Halliday: okay we got to do this Mathew Embry: yeah and but then again i Mathew Embry: then i try to look at things Mathew Embry: through a lens and that lens Mathew Embry: is like is it is it Mathew Embry: fostering life is it making Mathew Embry: the lives of the Mathew Embry: people around me better and Mathew Embry: is it as simple as like what Mathew Embry: would happen if someone did Mathew Embry: this to me Mathew Embry: like it's that simple like Mathew Embry: it's that simple and then Mathew Embry: i'll i mean i'll go do it Mathew Embry: like if it's gonna make life Mathew Embry: better i just do it whether Mathew Embry: that's picking up trash in Mathew Embry: your parking lot whether Mathew Embry: whether it's helping someone Mathew Embry: on the street. Mathew Embry: Here's a tip for you. Mathew Embry: Anyone listening to this? Mathew Embry: You want to change your life Mathew Embry: radically in 90 days? Mathew Embry: And my phone number's out Mathew Embry: there. Mathew Embry: Feed, help every single Mathew Embry: homeless person you see for Mathew Embry: the next 90 days. Mathew Embry: Every single one. Mathew Embry: On the side of the street, Mathew Embry: go get money. Mathew Embry: Walk up to them, ask them Mathew Embry: what they need. And then you Mathew Embry: call me after 90 days. you Mathew Embry: tell me what happened right Mathew Embry: it and what the lesson i'm Mathew Embry: trying what i'm trying to Mathew Embry: communicate Mathew Embry: that is the world is going Mathew Embry: to give you all of the Mathew Embry: opportunity to engage with Mathew Embry: I Mathew Embry: engage with it Mathew Embry: in a meaningful way if you Mathew Embry: ignore it drive by it think Mathew Embry: buy it. Mathew Embry: it's someone else's problem Mathew Embry: that's how the Mathew Embry: world's going to treat you Mathew Embry: but if you see the world Mathew Embry: real time offering you the Mathew Embry: chance to engage engage Mathew Embry: foster it make it more Mathew Embry: beautiful it's going to come Mathew Embry: back at you like you cannot Mathew Embry: believe Mathew Embry: your career is going to get Mathew Embry: better your relationship is Mathew Embry: going to get better your Mathew Embry: mindset's going to get Mathew Embry: better your sleeping is Mathew Embry: going to get better your Mathew Embry: outlook the news that Mathew Embry: comes into your feed your Mathew Embry: instagram posts like Mathew Embry: everything will get better Mathew Embry: but not until you do it Kevin Halliday: And it's interesting Kevin Halliday: because you said one word Kevin Halliday: in there, and I'm going to Kevin Halliday: bring it back to you. And Kevin Halliday: then the listeners, Kevin Halliday: they're going to hear this Kevin Halliday: as well. And I'm going to Kevin Halliday: ask it to you. Kevin Halliday: What do you need? Kevin Halliday: Because you just asked and Kevin Halliday: said, ask that person what Kevin Halliday: they need. Okay? Kevin Halliday: Then give back and say, Kevin Halliday: and ask them that Kevin Halliday: question. Kevin Halliday: So here's homeless, here's Kevin Halliday: this. But I'm going to Kevin Halliday: turn it to you now and Kevin Halliday: say, I'm asking you the Kevin Halliday: okay back. Kevin Halliday: same question Mathew Embry: yeah yeah Mathew Embry: What do okay but here here Kevin Halliday: that's okay Kevin Halliday: you need? Mathew Embry: i'm gonna flip it though Mathew Embry: yeah okay i'm gonna flip it Kevin Halliday: okay Mathew Embry: because like if if you focus Mathew Embry: okay Mathew Embry: so Mathew Embry: your efforts on what on Mathew Embry: being a servant to those Mathew Embry: around you Mathew Embry: you will be given what you Mathew Embry: need because the universe Mathew Embry: already knows so Kevin Halliday: the need that that you Kevin Halliday: looks back at you okay i'm Kevin Halliday: getting deeper into this Kevin Halliday: because because the whole Mathew Embry: it's fine Kevin Halliday: purpose of this Kevin Halliday: that's a good Kevin Halliday: is to say is this need Kevin Halliday: need aspect is that i need Kevin Halliday: to be liked okay i need to Kevin Halliday: be loved i need to have Kevin Halliday: attention i need to be a Kevin Halliday: part of society i need to Kevin Halliday: be Kevin Halliday: be touched, felt, and Kevin Halliday: up. Mathew Embry: Sure, yeah. Kevin Halliday: loved, enjoyed in the Kevin Halliday: world, okay? Mathew Embry: Yeah, yeah. Kevin Halliday: So for my need. So that's Kevin Halliday: superficial. It gets Kevin Halliday: deeper No, but it's Kevin Halliday: that way, but it is. And Mathew Embry: real. Kevin Halliday: then it's going, so the Kevin Halliday: need of somebody to help Kevin Halliday: someone else to say, what Kevin Halliday: do you really need? I Kevin Halliday: just, I need a dollar. I Kevin Halliday: need this. Do you need a Kevin Halliday: job? Do you need this? Kevin Halliday: Whatever Kevin Halliday: Do you need, whatever that Kevin Halliday: storytelling is, but it Kevin Halliday: comes back to, we have to Kevin Halliday: love ourselves and fill Kevin Halliday: our needs so I can give, Kevin Halliday: to be a philanthropist. Kevin Halliday: well you have to make Kevin Halliday: money to give money okay Kevin Halliday: you have to give something Kevin Halliday: in return so that we're Kevin Halliday: always working together in Kevin Halliday: the right way so that need Kevin Halliday: that you just talked about Kevin Halliday: okay it was about you is Kevin Halliday: that give that sacrifice Kevin Halliday: to other people that Kevin Halliday: yeah Mathew Embry: and i guess what i'm saying Kevin Halliday: comfort because you just Kevin Halliday: explained it full circle Mathew Embry: is that like i agree with Mathew Embry: you we all have wants i'm no Mathew Embry: different like in fact we Mathew Embry: all wake up like that's the Mathew Embry: your body wants the second Mathew Embry: you wake up it's like i want Mathew Embry: want coffee it never ends Mathew Embry: like it's this body is Mathew Embry: constantly in want but what Mathew Embry: i where i'm coming from and Mathew Embry: where i would challenge Mathew Embry: someone is like okay for one Mathew Embry: week or two weeks don't Mathew Embry: think about Mathew Embry: what you need think about Mathew Embry: what the world around you Mathew Embry: needs and then watch out Mathew Embry: because what you need will Mathew Embry: be given to you without you Mathew Embry: looking for it and that's Mathew Embry: where things get miraculous Mathew Embry: miraculous, where I'm like, Mathew Embry: if you're anxious, go help Mathew Embry: someone, and see how the, Mathew Embry: where the anxiety goes, if Mathew Embry: you're feeling down, go Mathew Embry: volunteer, like, and for me, Mathew Embry: again, I can't say this for Mathew Embry: everybody, Mathew Embry: but like, it'll just go Mathew Embry: away, like, I, we do these Mathew Embry: things, I do like these Mathew Embry: things with my kids, we've Mathew Embry: done them for over the Mathew Embry: years, they're like pop -up Mathew Embry: ministries, where we just Mathew Embry: like, I'll be like, okay, Mathew Embry: let's go, Costco, 200 bucks, Mathew Embry: make sandwiches, go to the Mathew Embry: drop -in center, set up a Mathew Embry: table get coffee go outside Mathew Embry: stand there and feed people Mathew Embry: that's it Kevin Halliday: how Mathew Embry: hard is that and i'll tell Mathew Embry: you afterwards you feel like Mathew Embry: a million bucks you don't Mathew Embry: need to tell anybody about Mathew Embry: it you don't need to put on Mathew Embry: social media you just do it Mathew Embry: privately you do it with Mathew Embry: your kids you do with your Mathew Embry: friends Mathew Embry: i don't care but then you Mathew Embry: will it will start to just Mathew Embry: transform your life it could Mathew Embry: be that simple Mathew Embry: and the more you do this the Mathew Embry: more you're like wait a Mathew Embry: minute this reality isn't Mathew Embry: what i thought it was Mathew Embry: because now i have more Mathew Embry: money in my job now i have Mathew Embry: more opportunities now i Mathew Embry: have like because Mathew Embry: however this system works if Mathew Embry: you decide that you want to Mathew Embry: be a conduit for good you Mathew Embry: will be tested Mathew Embry: and then the more good you Mathew Embry: give into the world whether Mathew Embry: it's financially information Mathew Embry: doing a podcast this is good Mathew Embry: the more you get back Mathew Embry: because the system will feed Mathew Embry: you because it's not about Mathew Embry: you it's about other people Mathew Embry: like you're you're growing Mathew Embry: the whole thing you become Mathew Embry: like a gardener Mathew Embry: I read it. Mathew Embry: you're helping Mathew Embry: healthy. Kevin Halliday: And it really feeds this Kevin Halliday: ecosystem because we Kevin Halliday: become better than what we Kevin Halliday: were. Mathew Embry: yes you got it and then it's Mathew Embry: like but then it's a domino Mathew Embry: effect but if you sit in Mathew Embry: your house you scroll on Mathew Embry: your phone you're you're you Mathew Embry: you're at your hair, you're Mathew Embry: know have your three drinks Mathew Embry: drinking, Mathew Embry: in you're you know you start Mathew Embry: to fight Mathew Embry: i it's over it's Mathew Embry: like a dominoes right and it Mathew Embry: says and unfortunately you Mathew Embry: know i tell people this it's Mathew Embry: either you're getting better Mathew Embry: you're getting worse with Mathew Embry: every single decision like Mathew Embry: they Kevin Halliday: I don't like it. i'm Kevin Halliday: How true. Kevin Halliday: through Mathew Embry: like but there's no middle Mathew Embry: ground it's either you're Mathew Embry: Yeah. Mathew Embry: getting better Mathew Embry: you're getting worse and i'm Mathew Embry: sorry the way down is way Mathew Embry: faster than the way up like Mathew Embry: you and i can can go Mathew Embry: downtown right now and be Mathew Embry: messed on crack and dead in Mathew Embry: like four hours right versus Mathew Embry: Versus like, you're not Mathew Embry: like Mathew Embry: we're not going to be Mathew Embry: going to be able to do that. Mathew Embry: entering bodybuilding Mathew Embry: contests the next four hours Mathew Embry: you know what i Kevin Halliday: mean? No, exactly. Mathew Embry: to get things to a higher Mathew Embry: level is way harder it's Mathew Embry: like snakes and ladders than Mathew Embry: like to go low Yeah. Kevin Halliday: but Mathew Embry: sorry go ahead Kevin Halliday: No, no, no. Keep going Kevin Halliday: because it's interesting Kevin Halliday: because when we talk about Kevin Halliday: that, Kevin Halliday: it's easy. Kevin Halliday: It's like making your Kevin Halliday: first million is easy. Kevin Halliday: Keeping it is the hardest Kevin Halliday: part because it's easier Kevin Halliday: to be lower down. not Kevin Halliday: And I don't mean lower Kevin Halliday: down as in bad because Kevin Halliday: there's different levels Kevin Halliday: yeah yeah Kevin Halliday: and different approaches. Kevin Halliday: It's being consistent. Kevin Halliday: consistency in your life Kevin Halliday: creates uh domination or Kevin Halliday: dominate you can dominate Kevin Halliday: if you're consistent in Kevin Halliday: other words you can be Kevin Halliday: better yes you'll fall Kevin Halliday: down yes it's guaranteed Kevin Halliday: you have to fall down how Kevin Halliday: fast you get back up from Kevin Halliday: your fall down yeah Kevin Halliday: and then as your age and Kevin Halliday: i'm going to get back into Kevin Halliday: the age thing because you Kevin Halliday: made a point about 50 Mathew Embry: so Kevin Halliday: here you are 40 went into Kevin Halliday: 50 now you made that Kevin Halliday: That's that change now. Kevin Halliday: Okay, 50 is where you Kevin Halliday: better have it made. Kevin Halliday: So let's talk about, here Kevin Halliday: you are at 50. You've got Kevin Halliday: tons of movies coming in, Kevin Halliday: okay? Kevin Halliday: You're slammed busy today, Kevin Halliday: this week, all the time Kevin Halliday: right now because Kevin Halliday: everything you're doing. Kevin Halliday: Let's talk about where Kevin Halliday: you're going. Mathew Embry: okay okay great question i Mathew Embry: just turned 50 i found 50 Mathew Embry: I mean, Mathew Embry: way harder than 40 as i Mathew Embry: didn't when i turned 40 Mathew Embry: i didn't have what i guess Mathew Embry: people call a midlife crisis Mathew Embry: really i didn't i just kind Mathew Embry: of like i knew i had to get Mathew Embry: sober i knew i wanted a Mathew Embry: different life and i went Mathew Embry: went after it and did it and Mathew Embry: it Mathew Embry: worked so i hit 50 super Mathew Embry: healthy like super like my Mathew Embry: businesses are doing strong Mathew Embry: ms hope is great tons of Mathew Embry: movies everything but i've Mathew Embry: done the same accounting Mathew Embry: like last few months for me Mathew Embry: have been Mathew Embry: like really about okay what Mathew Embry: does this decade look like Mathew Embry: like hardcore accounting and Mathew Embry: it hasn't it hasn't been Mathew Embry: comfortable because i've had Mathew Embry: to look in the mirror a lot Mathew Embry: and be like where do you Mathew Embry: need Mathew Embry: to adjust and so for me it's Mathew Embry: been about um what i've one Mathew Embry: of the biggest decisions Mathew Embry: the Mathew Embry: i've made Mathew Embry: is keeping my circle Mathew Embry: incredibly small making my Mathew Embry: circle smaller of people in Mathew Embry: it and being a better person Mathew Embry: to those people that's been Mathew Embry: number one so being a better Mathew Embry: friend like choosing who Mathew Embry: stays in Mathew Embry: my life and then choosing to Mathew Embry: be a better support to them Mathew Embry: long term and short term Mathew Embry: does that make sense like Mathew Embry: Yep. Mathew Embry: realizing that like amazing Mathew Embry: Realizing that maybe there's Mathew Embry: people exist but very few Mathew Embry: this, Mathew Embry: are likely to come into my Mathew Embry: life Mathew Embry: because they're off doing Mathew Embry: their own amazing stuff so Mathew Embry: seeing that my circle is not Mathew Embry: going to get get much bigger Mathew Embry: in fact i'm going to shrink Mathew Embry: it Kevin Halliday: um Mathew Embry: and then this may sound Mathew Embry: bizarre it's like focusing Mathew Embry: but this is an arm of Mathew Embry: on the possibility that i Mathew Embry: possibility that I'm going Mathew Embry: may have grandkids and Mathew Embry: to have to have a 60. Mathew Embry: setting the table for what Mathew Embry: that Mathew Embry: means now so like making Mathew Embry: sure when i hit 60 i've got Mathew Embry: it all set up for them and Mathew Embry: so i'm actively Mathew Embry: doing that now like i'm Mathew Embry: buying little toys i'm like Mathew Embry: mapping this shit out pardon Mathew Embry: my language because i know Mathew Embry: this may come it may not but Mathew Embry: i need to look at my life Mathew Embry: like what's coming what's Mathew Embry: coming that's going to be Mathew Embry: good and am i ready for it Mathew Embry: and am i like set the table Mathew Embry: for that to be an incredible Mathew Embry: experience for them and for Mathew Embry: me and then i'm being Mathew Embry: realistic about like what Mathew Embry: can i Mathew Embry: really do with my life i got Mathew Embry: maybe four films left five Mathew Embry: maybe do i want to Mathew Embry: transition into politics Mathew Embry: politics, maybe, right? It Mathew Embry: could be another thing, Mathew Embry: another opportunity for me. Mathew Embry: Don't want to be an Mathew Embry: education, like don't do Mathew Embry: that. And then it's kind of Mathew Embry: navigating like, be again, Mathew Embry: it's like I use NFL Mathew Embry: I need to know how to Mathew Embry: football is a lot of it. I Mathew Embry: perform. Mathew Embry: think there's a lot in that Mathew Embry: game to inform people about Mathew Embry: life. Mathew Embry: And I just see like, I'm Mathew Embry: getting closer to the end Mathew Embry: zone. So my options are Mathew Embry: getting more and more Mathew Embry: limited. Mathew Embry: And I got to decide like, Mathew Embry: you know, ground attack is Mathew Embry: probably the best way Mathew Embry: instead of going for the big Mathew Embry: bombs does that make sense Mathew Embry: like why go for why risk it Mathew Embry: like Mathew Embry: well Kevin Halliday: it's interesting you made Kevin Halliday: you made three comments Kevin Halliday: here which is interesting Kevin Halliday: and you it's a and i'm Kevin Halliday: going to cut that one Kevin Halliday: because the long bomb but Kevin Halliday: it's actually Kevin Halliday: you actually are going for Kevin Halliday: the long bomb because Kevin Halliday: three statements you just Kevin Halliday: said there number one and Kevin Halliday: i totally see it as soon Kevin Halliday: as you said it i went oh Kevin Halliday: here's where it's going Kevin Halliday: okay i got three or four Kevin Halliday: more films of me oh okay Kevin Halliday: well you make it sound Kevin Halliday: like it's off the cuff not Kevin Halliday: a big deal well where Kevin Halliday: they're going and how big Kevin Halliday: these are going to be Kevin Halliday: massive films okay yeah Mathew Embry: there Kevin Halliday: number two is all of a Kevin Halliday: sudden you start talking Kevin Halliday: about wait a second out of Kevin Halliday: the blue and i don't know Kevin Halliday: you must have said it a Kevin Halliday: few times already and i Kevin Halliday: haven't seen where he said Kevin Halliday: politics so Kevin Halliday: if you say it you become Kevin Halliday: it all of a sudden here's Kevin Halliday: and you had mentioned this Kevin Halliday: before Kevin Halliday: in this interview about, Kevin Halliday: all right, if I'm going to Kevin Halliday: do this, you've got to Kevin Halliday: i'll be visualizing Kevin Halliday: make sure that Kevin Halliday: I'm visualizing you, not Kevin Halliday: in so many words to say Kevin Halliday: it, but then you're Kevin Halliday: actually putting that out Kevin Halliday: there that you're getting Kevin Halliday: well Kevin Halliday: ready for politics. Mathew Embry: i'm not saying i'm getting Mathew Embry: ready for it i'm Kevin Halliday: Up here in your head. Mathew Embry: i Mathew Embry: firmly believe that in this Mathew Embry: life you step you shoulder Mathew Embry: more responsibility only Mathew Embry: Shoulder Mathew Embry: when you see there is a need Mathew Embry: so if you if you people Mathew Embry: who rise to power in certain Mathew Embry: motorized power. Mathew Embry: things the good people do it Mathew Embry: simply because they know it Mathew Embry: needs to get done like if Mathew Embry: you don't if you're not Mathew Embry: doing it for ego and all Mathew Embry: Yeah. Mathew Embry: all that kind of stuff but Mathew Embry: if you see opportunities Mathew Embry: where you're like oh man Mathew Embry: like something's got to Mathew Embry: change so you start stepping Mathew Embry: into higher and that Mathew Embry: happened to me like i didn't Mathew Embry: i tried not i tried Mathew Embry: to stay away from the ms Mathew Embry: world for like a decade two Mathew Embry: decades i stayed away from Mathew Embry: it but then finally i'm like Mathew Embry: no i have to step into this Mathew Embry: and do something because if Mathew Embry: i don't then you know this Mathew Embry: this is what's going to Mathew Embry: occur Kevin Halliday: yeah Kevin Halliday: You're other people's Kevin Halliday: voice. Mathew Embry: so it's like i gotta do this Mathew Embry: so then it's like i i didn't Mathew Embry: do it because i wanted a web Mathew Embry: page i didn't do it because Mathew Embry: i wanted a movie i didn't do Mathew Embry: it because i wanted an Mathew Embry: instagram i just did it Mathew Embry: because i'm like well this Mathew Embry: isn't has to happen and the Mathew Embry: same thing comes Mathew Embry: with like my political Mathew Embry: interests where i look at Mathew Embry: things and i'm like i've Mathew Embry: made a lot of political Mathew Embry: films i got one out right Mathew Embry: now um like right now i'm Mathew Embry: what's that one Mathew Embry: kind of scared to check my Kevin Halliday: called Mathew Embry: phone right Mathew Embry: oh Mathew Embry: now Kevin Halliday: yeah okay good Kevin Halliday: actually it's called Mathew Embry: it's called section 38 and Mathew Embry: it's just like it's blowing Mathew Embry: up right now and it's just Mathew Embry: like okay it's a it's an Mathew Embry: important film it's about Mathew Embry: canadian sovereignty and Mathew Embry: it's like people should Mathew Embry: really check this out but i Mathew Embry: make these because i like i Mathew Embry: care i truly care about our Mathew Embry: country and i care about Mathew Embry: where things are going and i Mathew Embry: care about people people and Mathew Embry: i know that issues are more Mathew Embry: complicated they're all a Mathew Embry: lot more gray than people Mathew Embry: ever want to see and i'm Mathew Embry: also Mathew Embry: sympathetic to both sides Mathew Embry: and also in various things Mathew Embry: and so can i thread the Mathew Embry: needle on a certain certain Mathew Embry: topics i think i can and Mathew Embry: then can i actually do Mathew Embry: something to make the world Mathew Embry: a better Mathew Embry: place um i think the answer Mathew Embry: is yes and i think primarily Mathew Embry: i think why i think i can do Mathew Embry: so Mathew Embry: it is i'm Mathew Embry: not scared to be wrong like Mathew Embry: i'm a person if you Mathew Embry: challenge me today i'm okay Mathew Embry: with that like okay Mathew Embry: Did he make me better? Mathew Embry: Like, I'm okay not knowing Mathew Embry: everything. Mathew Embry: in Kevin Halliday: other words it's a good Kevin Halliday: time that you might you're Kevin Halliday: not saying you are Kevin Halliday: but you're on the right Kevin Halliday: track it could be in Kevin Halliday: politics in the future Mathew Embry: It could be. I mean, again, Mathew Embry: I wouldn't close the door to Mathew Embry: that. Mathew Embry: I mean, what I do, I mean, Mathew Embry: the work I do in MS is Mathew Embry: political. Mathew Embry: there Mathew Embry: The work that I do in my Mathew Embry: films, these are political. Mathew Embry: I mean, media is the fourth Mathew Embry: arm of government. Kevin Halliday: you go Mathew Embry: Like, you're doing something Mathew Embry: yeah yeah Mathew Embry: political right now. Mathew Embry: So the question is, like, at Mathew Embry: what levels do you want to Mathew Embry: keep going? Mathew Embry: but but to fully answer your Mathew Embry: 40 Mathew Embry: question because i don't Mathew Embry: know if your audience mostly Mathew Embry: over 50 Kevin Halliday: 40 plus male 80 percent Kevin Halliday: sure Mathew Embry: okay it's just like this is Mathew Embry: it man like Mathew Embry: if you want to speak i mean Mathew Embry: i can speak quickly on do Mathew Embry: you want to speak quickly on Mathew Embry: the kind of male things that Mathew Embry: i sometimes think about i Mathew Embry: yeah Mathew Embry: mean i Mathew Embry: don't have much life Mathew Embry: experience outside of being Mathew Embry: the life of an athletic male Mathew Embry: i know that's somewhat one Mathew Embry: of a stereotype but that's Mathew Embry: what i was that's what i am Mathew Embry: like and i don't know what Mathew Embry: that means Mathew Embry: like i think everybody's Mathew Embry: athletic to a certain degree Mathew Embry: but i lived that life where Mathew Embry: it's like i played organized Mathew Embry: sports and i did that thing Mathew Embry: you know and i think that Mathew Embry: there was a lot of great Mathew Embry: things that came from that Mathew Embry: but there are also a lot of Mathew Embry: dangerous things in that Mathew Embry: life trajectory Mathew Embry: very dangerous that i don't Mathew Embry: think our world talks about Mathew Embry: anywhere near enough and Mathew Embry: whether it's the Mathew Embry: there's a huge issue, I Mathew Embry: think, with young men, and Mathew Embry: this is maybe young women Mathew Embry: too, I can't speak to that Mathew Embry: as much, Mathew Embry: where addiction risk is huge Mathew Embry: for people who play sports. Mathew Embry: Huge in the future, Mathew Embry: alcoholism. Mathew Embry: Concussions, long -term Mathew Embry: brain damage. Mathew Embry: These are huge issues. The Mathew Embry: body breaking down, Mathew Embry: injuries, Mathew Embry: like long -term injury. Mathew Embry: Long -term sport, something Mathew Embry: I talk about all the time. Mathew Embry: like are our sports systems Mathew Embry: set up for people to be Mathew Embry: athletic in their 50s 60s Mathew Embry: 70s when you really Mathew Embry: need it um these are all Mathew Embry: challenges i try to speak to Mathew Embry: to you know young men and Mathew Embry: young women about and the Mathew Embry: thing is if you're 40s and Mathew Embry: 50s this is your chance if Mathew Embry: you don't get on it now well Kevin Halliday: and I look at it because Kevin Halliday: uh when I turned 50 so I Kevin Halliday: had sleep apnea gout Kevin Halliday: cancer I was an an Kevin Halliday: alcoholic 280 pounds Kevin Halliday: okay so you yeah yeah that Mathew Embry: at 50 and Kevin Halliday: life -changing moment and Kevin Halliday: then I changed and said Kevin Halliday: the light went on love Kevin Halliday: myself meditation got in Kevin Halliday: good for so man that's Kevin Halliday: and competed in worldwide Kevin Halliday: bodybuilding Mathew Embry: you Kevin Halliday: competed around the world Kevin Halliday: amazing around the world Kevin Halliday: stopped drinking and then Kevin Halliday: yeah Kevin Halliday: health wealth and mindset Kevin Halliday: became that focus point my Kevin Halliday: life actually started and Kevin Halliday: I had money because I had Kevin Halliday: different businesses so Kevin Halliday: but my life actually Kevin Halliday: started at 50 and this all Kevin Halliday: started at 50 knowing I Kevin Halliday: was able to create Kevin Halliday: purpose. And meaning for Kevin Halliday: myself, where yeah, I had Kevin Halliday: my kids, love my kids and Kevin Halliday: love my wife and never Kevin Halliday: cheated on her, whatever Kevin Halliday: story, but I drank every Kevin Halliday: Right. And then once that Kevin Halliday: day. I was an alcoholic. Kevin Halliday: changed, it was like, wait Kevin Halliday: a second, you don't know Kevin Halliday: you're in jail until you Kevin Halliday: break out. And that moment Kevin Halliday: of that aha was like, Kevin Halliday: whoa, wait a second. Kevin Halliday: Right. Kevin Halliday: This is a whole new Kevin Halliday: environment. I'm dialed Kevin Halliday: in. I'm present. Right. Kevin Halliday: And finally got to feel Kevin Halliday: what present actually Kevin Halliday: meant. Right. so it's Kevin Halliday: Right. Kevin Halliday: interesting so you get to Kevin Halliday: hear it so there's the Kevin Halliday: athletic sides and you're Kevin Halliday: hearing that Kevin Halliday: then all of a sudden guys Kevin Halliday: that were watching Kevin Halliday: football wish they should Kevin Halliday: have could it would have Kevin Halliday: been myself in that in Kevin Halliday: that that thing and then Kevin Halliday: all of a sudden having to Kevin Halliday: change when you're older Kevin Halliday: but it's okay you're Kevin Halliday: allowed to change and but Kevin Halliday: you've got to get in shape Kevin Halliday: now and think about Kevin Halliday: because when you get older Kevin Halliday: it isn't getting better Mathew Embry: no no that's so amazing man Mathew Embry: yeah Mathew Embry: congratulations Mathew Embry: thank you yeah oh Kevin Halliday: like Mathew Embry: honestly like that's huge i Mathew Embry: mean if you could bottle Mathew Embry: what you did oh Kevin Halliday: it's and that's where this Kevin Halliday: all came from shed talk Kevin Halliday: came from was our shed Kevin Halliday: inside of a shed inside of Kevin Halliday: Right. Kevin Halliday: this Kevin Halliday: the men's and then how to Kevin Halliday: get through this and Kevin Halliday: create purpose and meaning Kevin Halliday: and and what does that Kevin Halliday: look like what did the Kevin Halliday: next step look like doing Kevin Halliday: a ted talk what did that Kevin Halliday: look like what did Kevin Halliday: building a writing a book Kevin Halliday: what did that look like Kevin Halliday: and then we strategically Kevin Halliday: placed everything in Kevin Halliday: together there together Kevin Halliday: and then built built it Kevin Halliday: out to say okay what is Kevin Halliday: the narrative that we can Kevin Halliday: control as a human Mathew Embry: and Mathew Embry: Right. Kevin Halliday: we have full control over Kevin Halliday: our own environment but Kevin Halliday: what do we do with it Kevin Halliday: example what you were Kevin Halliday: saying was put back to the Kevin Halliday: environment like ask feel Kevin Halliday: that need guy and it comes Kevin Halliday: back tenfold how do you Mathew Embry: literally comes back tenfold Kevin Halliday: lose Mathew Embry: yeah Mathew Embry: and people don't believe me Mathew Embry: and i'm just like Mathew Embry: i Kevin Halliday: got Mathew Embry: is it just Mathew Embry: like how do you think i'm Mathew Embry: doing all this Kevin Halliday: oh my god Kevin Halliday: like it's Mathew Embry: yeah but Mathew Embry: simply because i'm that this Mathew Embry: is how i'm living Kevin Halliday: but Mathew Embry: i think that you know and Mathew Embry: i'm sure in your journey and Mathew Embry: again congratulations it's Mathew Embry: just it's the little boring Mathew Embry: stuff people Mathew Embry: just don't like it's people Mathew Embry: think there's going to be Mathew Embry: some a magic moment and i'm Kevin Halliday: defining moment in change Mathew Embry: like Kevin Halliday: yeah Kevin Halliday: sure there's little little Kevin Halliday: little tidbits here, but Kevin Halliday: it takes a long time to do Kevin Halliday: and being consistent and Kevin Halliday: truly being honest to Kevin Halliday: yourself. So it's kind of Kevin Halliday: interesting. Mathew Embry: Yeah. i remember one thing Mathew Embry: in particular i don't know Mathew Embry: if you had this where it's Mathew Embry: just like i was backing out Mathew Embry: of my garage one day and Mathew Embry: like for i love foreigners Mathew Embry: so i had this old 97 and i'm Mathew Embry: like i love this thing my Mathew Embry: kids could hear it coming Mathew Embry: from blocks away Mathew Embry: but i remember backing out Mathew Embry: and having this sense of Mathew Embry: peace that i no longer cared Mathew Embry: what anyone thought of me Mathew Embry: like i distinctly remember Mathew Embry: that moment where i'm like i Mathew Embry: don't care but i gotta care Mathew Embry: about Mathew Embry: getting my life together and Mathew Embry: once i got there it i never Mathew Embry: looked back because i'm like Mathew Embry: whatever people can come and Mathew Embry: go in my life like whatever Mathew Embry: like who cares like you got Mathew Embry: Yeah. Mathew Embry: to make the best Mathew Embry: possible life for you and Mathew Embry: for people watching this the Mathew Embry: one message i have all the Mathew Embry: Yep. Mathew Embry: time is it It can happen, Mathew Embry: like, right now. Mathew Embry: You can turn this podcast Mathew Embry: off and start a brand -new Mathew Embry: life Kevin Halliday: and Mathew Embry: become a brand -new person, Mathew Embry: Nobody. Mathew Embry: like, today, Mathew Embry: and no one's going to care. Mathew Embry: Like, nobody. Kevin Halliday: Well, they talk legacy. Kevin Halliday: People talk legacy. What Kevin Halliday: are you doing while I'm Kevin Halliday: using legacy? Well, what Kevin Halliday: Oh, what happened? Kevin Halliday: happens is, well, put it Kevin Halliday: this Kevin Halliday: way. You die today. Okay. Kevin Halliday: You just die, right? We're Kevin Halliday: died. Kevin Halliday: still going to eat. Mathew Embry: No. Kevin Halliday: We're still going to of Kevin Halliday: food we're still going to Kevin Halliday: do that people will care Kevin Halliday: right but for a year Kevin Halliday: Yeah. 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