Latest / The Epstein Chronicles / Todd Blanche And The Motion To Postpone The Deadline In The Katie Phang Lawsuit (Part 2) (10/19/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
- 0:03Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right
- 0:06Speaker 1: back to Todd Blanch's motion to postpone the deadline in
- 0:11Speaker 1: the Katie Fang lawsuit. B. An administrative record is not
- 0:14Speaker 1: a proper vehicle to test redactions that would be a
- 0:18Speaker 1: Vaughn Index. As a last resort, plaintiff says that she
- 0:21Speaker 1: needs an administrative record to judge the redactions. Docket 55
- 0:26Speaker 1: at 12. Any such ruling... necessarily turns on facts only
- 0:31Speaker 1: an administrative record can supply. By way of example, plaintiff
- 0:35Speaker 1: proffers that an administrative record is needed to determine whether
- 0:39Speaker 1: materials referring to President Trump are withheld. This argument ignores
- 0:43Speaker 1: that many of the documents at the heart of the
- 0:46Speaker 1: court show cause orders have involved documents where the president's
- 0:50Speaker 1: name appears. And while plaintiff insinuates that maybe other documents
- 0:54Speaker 1: are withheld, She describes none and ignores the Attorney General's
- 0:58Speaker 1: certification that no redactions were made on the basis of
- 1:02Speaker 1: political embarrassment and that the President's name was on the
- 1:05Speaker 1: list of politically exposed persons, alongside four other people who
- 1:10Speaker 1: have held the office of President of the United States
- 1:13Speaker 1: since 1993. To the extent any court can engage in
- 1:17Speaker 1: a redaction-by-redaction analysis, it cannot. The appropriate vehicle to do
- 1:22Speaker 1: that would be a Vaughn Index investigation in the context
- 1:24Speaker 1: of a FOIA case. And this fact highlights the several
- 1:28Speaker 1: fatal flaws to plaintiff's case. First, she has a right
- 1:32Speaker 1: or no right to the identity of individuals under the redactions.
- 1:36Speaker 1: Congress has made a policy decision that the identity of
- 1:39Speaker 1: victim names may be redacted. And try as she might,
- 1:43Speaker 1: plaintiff has no standing to demand to see the unredacted
- 1:46Speaker 1: files to judge for herself the department's compliance with the law.
- 1:51Speaker 1: So she attempts to frame the dispute as needing an
- 1:54Speaker 1: administrative record to judge the redactions herself. But as just shown,
- 1:58Speaker 1: there are no records that would go into administrative record
- 2:02Speaker 1: that would shed any light on that question. That's because
- 2:05Speaker 1: an administrative record is not the process for challenging redactions.
- 2:10Speaker 1: The process for challenging redactions to documents subject to public
- 2:13Speaker 1: disclosure is a Vaughn Index. And this goes to defendant's
- 2:17Speaker 1: point all along, which is plaintiff's adequate remedy here to
- 2:20Speaker 1: challenge redactions is FOIA, not the APA, and plaintiff cites
- 2:25Speaker 1: no case, and the government is aware of no case,
- 2:28Speaker 1: in this district or circuit where the court has used
- 2:30Speaker 1: an administrative record to decide the adequacy of redactions. In
- 2:35Speaker 1: a public records disclosure case, the practice to utilize a
- 2:38Speaker 1: Vaughn Index. Now, this is not to say that plaintiffs
- 2:42Speaker 1: entitled to a Vaughn Index and the government reserves the
- 2:44Speaker 1: right to make all arguments on that topic in any
- 2:47Speaker 1: future FOIA action where the issue is properly raised. The
- 2:51Speaker 1: point is, even under a Vaughn Index, the most any
- 2:54Speaker 1: plaintiff is entitled to in any public record disclosure case,
- 2:58Speaker 1: plaintiffs are entitled to far less information than an administrative
- 3:02Speaker 1: record which plaintiff seeks here. And in fact, the requirement
- 3:05Speaker 1: of a Vaughn Index may be dispensed of where, as here,
- 3:09Speaker 1: the court reviews in camera the documents at issue. See Solers, Inc. v. IRS,
- 3:15Speaker 1: 4th Circuit, 2016. A Vaughn Index is designed to enable
- 3:20Speaker 1: the district court to rule in on a privilege without
- 3:22Speaker 1: having to review the document itself, and thus functions as
- 3:26Speaker 1: a surrogate for the production of documents for in-camera review.
- 3:30Speaker 1: Stated otherwise, the issue of whether the IRS provided a
- 3:33Speaker 1: Vaughn Index sufficient to enable the District Court to evaluate
- 3:37Speaker 1: the IRS claim exemptions became irrelevant and moot after the
- 3:41Speaker 1: IRS compiled or complied with the District Court's order to
- 3:45Speaker 1: produce the records for in-camera review, and the Court completed
- 3:49Speaker 1: its own review of the records. While the D.C. Circuit
- 3:52Speaker 1: takes a slightly different approach to the relationship substitution of
- 3:56Speaker 1: in-camera review for a Vaughn Index, the rationale here still
- 4:00Speaker 1: holds in this case. See Wolfe v. Department of Health, D.C. 1988,
- 4:06Speaker 1: where the index itself would reveal significant aspects of the
- 4:10Speaker 1: deliberative process. The court has not hesitated to limit consideration
- 4:14Speaker 1: of the Vaughn Index to an in-camera inspection. Ultimately, Congress
- 4:18Speaker 1: has provided district courts with the option to conduct in-camera
- 4:22Speaker 1: review under FOIA, but the statute does not compel the
- 4:25Speaker 1: exercise of that option. Congress intended to impose no mandates
- 4:30Speaker 1: upon the trial court, but instead leave the decision of
- 4:33Speaker 1: whether to conduct in-camera inspection to the broad discretion of
- 4:37Speaker 1: the trial judge. Center for Auto Safety v. EPA, 731 F. 2D 1620, D.C. Circuit, 1984.
- 4:42Speaker 1: And although district courts possess broad discretion... regarding whether to
- 4:51Speaker 1: conduct in-camera review? It's typically reserved as a measure of
- 4:55Speaker 1: last resort in national security situations like this. Larson, 565 F. 3D
- 5:01Speaker 1: at 870. Internal citations and quotations omitted. Courts are discouraged
- 5:07Speaker 1: from conducting such inspections routinely on the theory that it
- 5:10Speaker 1: can hurt. While again, this is not a FOIA case,
- 5:14Speaker 1: and there are several arguments the government can and would
- 5:17Speaker 1: make in such a case, Here the court has reviewed
- 5:20Speaker 1: the documents in camera, and the court has rightfully relied
- 5:23Speaker 1: on that in-camera review to evaluate the redactions applied because,
- 5:28Speaker 1: like national security documents, the government here can offer no
- 5:31Speaker 1: more information to the public docket without revealing victim names
- 5:35Speaker 1: or other identifying information. Ultimately, plaintiff's argument that an administrative
- 5:41Speaker 1: record is needed to adjudicate redactions is a red herring.
- 5:45Speaker 1: The court has reviewed documents well beyond What could go
- 5:48Speaker 1: in an administrative record, and there are no other documents
- 5:52Speaker 1: other than those already publicly available through EFTA and FOIA disclosures,
- 5:57Speaker 1: that would shed any light on redactions, in any event,
- 6:01Speaker 1: the proper vehicle for testing redactions is a Vaughn Index,
- 6:05Speaker 1: not an administrative record. Conclusion For the foregoing reasons, the
- 6:11Speaker 1: court should grant the motion for leave of court to
- 6:13Speaker 1: postpone the deadline to produce the certified content of the
- 6:17Speaker 1: administrative record pending the outcome of Rule 12C motion for
- 6:21Speaker 1: judgment on the pleadings. This document was dated October 13th, 2026,
- 6:26Speaker 1: and it was signed by Andrew Block. And before we
- 6:30Speaker 1: wrap up, why don't we take a look at the
- 6:32Speaker 1: order that was filed by Judge Sullivan in regards to
- 6:37Speaker 1: the documents that he received from Todd Blanch. Case number 26-1417.
- 6:46Speaker 1: Katie Fang Plaintiff vs. Todd Blanche in his official capacity
- 6:50Speaker 1: as Acting Attorney General of the United States. Order. The
- 6:53Speaker 1: court has reviewed the documents defendant submitted for the court's
- 6:57Speaker 1: in-camera review on September 24, 2026 in response to the
- 7:01Speaker 1: court's September 16 memorandum opinion and order. The court finds
- 7:06Speaker 1: that defendant has provided adequate documentation to support his representation
- 7:11Speaker 1: that names of victims were redacted in the following documents. 1. EFTA. 011-87999,
- 7:16Speaker 1: the first and last names that were redacted twice. 2.
- 7:18Speaker 1: EFTA 025-04630, the first and last name that was redacted
- 7:21Speaker 1: and that appears before a complete email address that was
- 7:24Speaker 1: also redacted. And 3. EFTA 01022-356, the first and last
- 7:27Speaker 1: name that was redacted and that appears before a complete
- 7:30Speaker 1: email address that was also redacted. Accordingly, the June 26th
- 7:33Speaker 1: 2026 order to show cause as to the above described
- 7:49Speaker 1: redactions in EFTA 011-87999, EFTA 025-04630, and EFTA 01-022-356 will
- 7:52Speaker 1: be discharged. Defendant has not provided the underlying handwritten FBI
- 7:56Speaker 1: notes that form the basis for the FD-302 interview report
- 7:59Speaker 1: bearing Bates number EFTA 0285, 8495, but has provided adequate
- 8:19Speaker 1: documentation explaining why he has not done so. Accordingly, the
- 8:23Speaker 1: June 25, 2026 order to show cause as to the
- 8:27Speaker 1: underlying handwritten FBI notes that form the basis for the
- 8:31Speaker 1: FD-302 interview report bearing Bates number, the FTA-02-85-8495 will be discharged.
- 8:39Speaker 1: Defendant has provided unredacted versions of the underlying handwritten FBI
- 8:44Speaker 1: interview notes that form the basis for the FD-302 interview
- 8:47Speaker 1: report bearing Bates number EFTA-012-45-620, EFTA-028-58-481, and EFTA-028-58-491. Defendant has
- 9:02Speaker 1: not provided redacted versions of the documents. Defendant has, however,
- 9:06Speaker 1: provided redacted and unredacted versions of the FD-302 interview reports.
- 9:12Speaker 1: In its September 16th, 2026 Memorandum Opinion and Order, the
- 9:17Speaker 1: court directed defendant to submit to the court for its
- 9:20Speaker 1: in-camera review the underlying FBI interview notes that form the
- 9:25Speaker 1: basis for the FD-302 interview reports bearing bait number EFTA
- 9:29Speaker 1: 012-45620-028-58481 and 028-58491 in both redacted and unredacted versions. The
- 9:43Speaker 1: court requested redacted versions of the documents because defendant has
- 9:47Speaker 1: represented that handwritten nature of the notes further complicates the
- 9:51Speaker 1: redaction process and increases the risk of inadvertent disclosure of
- 9:55Speaker 1: victim PII, including because of technical limitations on the department's
- 9:59Speaker 1: ability to redact. to run meaningful quality control checks for
- 10:03Speaker 1: victim PII across handwritten materials. However, plaintiff has notified the
- 10:08Speaker 1: court of nearly 100 examples of redacted handwritten interview notes
- 10:12Speaker 1: that defendant has produced. See notice to court ECF number 33. Accordingly,
- 10:17Speaker 1: the court sought to review and redacted versions of the
- 10:21Speaker 1: interview notes. The court previously rejected defendant's explanation that it
- 10:25Speaker 1: did not produce these underlying interview notes because they are
- 10:29Speaker 1: substantially similar to, and therefore duplicative, of the typewritten reports.
- 10:34Speaker 1: In the event that defendant misunderstood the court's request, the
- 10:37Speaker 1: court will order defendant to provide redacted versions of the
- 10:41Speaker 1: interview notes a second time. For the reasons stated above,
- 10:45Speaker 1: it's hereby ordered that the June 25th order to show
- 10:49Speaker 1: cause as to the redactions described above in EFTA 011-87999-025-04630
- 10:53Speaker 1: and 01-022-356 is hereby discharged. It's further ordered that the
- 10:55Speaker 1: June 2nd, 2026 order to show cause As to the
- 11:12Speaker 1: underlying handwritten FBI notes that form the basis for the
- 11:16Speaker 1: FD-302 interview report bearing Bates' number, the FTA-02-858-495 is hereby discharged.
- 11:25Speaker 1: And it's further ordered that defendant shall submit to the
- 11:27Speaker 1: court for its in-camera review the underlying FBI interview notes
- 11:32Speaker 1: that formed the basis for the FD-302 interview report bearing
- 11:36Speaker 1: Bates' number, the FTA-012-45620-10. 028-58-481 and 028-58-491 in redacted versions
- 11:48Speaker 1: as required by the Epstein Files Transparency Act by no
- 11:52Speaker 1: later than 12 p.m. on October 16th, 2023. So ordered
- 11:57Speaker 1: by Judge Sullivan. All the information that goes with this
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