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The Kenny Report | 22 January · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: Not only do we have a hopeless government, now we
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  Speaker 3: don't even have a proper opposition as the coalition falls apart.
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  Speaker 2: Susan Lee's Day's numbers numbered.
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  Speaker 3: I'll get views from the Nationals tonight and also from
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  Speaker 3: a disillusioned former liberal. Donald Trump gives the Europeans addressing
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  Speaker 3: down and he strikes a deal over Greenland. Alexander Downer
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  Speaker 3: will break it down for us for Minister Alan Tudj
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  Speaker 3: on the Arab World, showing us how to combat Islamist extremism. Also,
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  Speaker 3: we'll cross to Sharry Markson at the Opera House to
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  Speaker 3: preview tonight's commemoration of the Bondai massacre victims, and we'll
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  Speaker 3: meet a young girl working to make sure that light
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  Speaker 3: does win out.
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  Speaker 2: All that plus Tim Blair and Mark.
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  Speaker 3: Nicholson on the new Please Explain Movie, the super progressive movie.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it. I'm certainly just like me.
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  Speaker 3: You're frustrated beyond belief. I mean, we're not being well served,
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  Speaker 3: are we. We're seeing our country unraveling before our very eyes.
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  Speaker 3: Let's run through a bit of a list. The Albaneze
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  Speaker 3: Labor government has turned an energy rich country into an
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  Speaker 3: energy basket case, with power more expensive and less reliable
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  Speaker 3: than ever before. The budget is broken, spendings out of control.
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  Speaker 3: We won't see a surplus in the foreseeable future. Inflation
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  Speaker 3: isn't beaten, interest rates are more likely to go up
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  Speaker 3: than fall lower, and the cost of living crisis continues.
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  Speaker 2: And after more than.
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  Speaker 3: Two years of warnings and pleading for action to combat
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  Speaker 3: anti Semitism and Islamist extremism, the Albanezi government did next
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  Speaker 3: to nothing, and we've just had the worst terrorism massacre
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  Speaker 3: in this nation's history. The government is cold, pppable and
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  Speaker 3: vulnerable on a variety of fronts, and we need a
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  Speaker 3: strong alternative. But the coalition has been so wishy washy
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  Speaker 3: that the polls show people flocking to one nation instead.
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  Speaker 3: They're now outpolling the coalition. And now the coalition has
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  Speaker 3: fallen apart again because they fumbled their parliamentary tactics on
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  Speaker 3: Labour's hate speech laws. The Nats have walked, the Libs
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  Speaker 3: are on their own, and Susan Lee looks lost and lonely.
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  Speaker 3: This is tragic for the nation. The coalition parties have
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  Speaker 3: abrogated their responsibility to us. They're supposed to hold the
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  Speaker 3: government to account on our behalf.
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  Speaker 2: They don't seem to get it, do they.
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  Speaker 3: Why did they demand Parliament was recalled to pass new laws.
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  Speaker 3: That's not what this country needs. We don't need new laws,
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  Speaker 3: we need Leadershi Parliament House in Canberra is the home
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  Speaker 3: ground for labor. They've got the numbers there and they've
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  Speaker 3: got the press gallery running protection for them. The coalitions
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  Speaker 3: should have stayed in the real world, forcing Alberesi and
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  Speaker 3: his team to explain themselves.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't hard.
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  Speaker 3: The former deputy Liberal leader outlined the arguments for them,
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  Speaker 3: clear and simple and true.
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  Speaker 4: Our governments have failed every Australian when it comes to
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  Speaker 4: fighting hate and anti semitism. Our Prime minister, our government
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  Speaker 4: has allowed Australia to be radicalized on his watch. It's
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  Speaker 4: time for him to accept personal responsibility for the death
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  Speaker 4: of fifteen innocent people, including a ten year old child.
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  Speaker 4: It's time our Prime minister accepted accountability for what has
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  Speaker 4: happened here, and it's time our leaders stood up and led.
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  Speaker 4: At last, and finally, this is a time for accountability
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  Speaker 4: and action.
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  Speaker 3: It seems unbelievable that in these circumstances, instead of the
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  Speaker 3: Government facing heat and the Prime Minister being under pressure
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  Speaker 3: to resign, the Coalition have made themselves the issue. I
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  Speaker 3: could care less about the party politics. The problem here
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  Speaker 3: is the future of the country. Who will hold the
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  Speaker 3: government to account for what's happened to this country. The
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  Speaker 3: media is complicit and the Coalition is a shambles. This
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  Speaker 3: is a horrible mess. It's good for Labor and the Greens.
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  Speaker 3: It's good for Australia's enemies within our shaws and abroad,
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  Speaker 3: but it's devastatingly bad for Australia now. They all deserve
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  Speaker 3: their share of the blame, of course, including the Nationals.
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  Speaker 3: But the cold, hard fact is that the Liberals and
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  Speaker 3: the Coalition can never do their job properly while they're
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  Speaker 3: led by a so called moderate that has never worked,
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  Speaker 3: not once. Now, whether it's Angus Taylor or Andrew Hasty
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  Speaker 3: or someone else, they must have a conservative at the helm.
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  Speaker 3: They must expose the excesses and mistakes of Labor, and
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  Speaker 3: they must give the people of Australia a clear choice now.
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  Speaker 2: Just in time for Australia Day.
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  Speaker 3: The politically motivated vandals are at it again, anti Australian
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  Speaker 3: and pro hummus types. It seems how delightful They used
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  Speaker 3: machinery to destroy a First Pioneers statue in Melbourne's Flagstaff
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  Speaker 3: Gardens and the graffiti included a triangle symbol associated with hummus.
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  Speaker 3: They daubed a second statue with that symbol too. What
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  Speaker 3: a shocking thing to do anytime, but especially on the
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  Speaker 3: national Day of Mourning for the fifteen victims of the
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  Speaker 3: Bondai Islamist terrorist attack.
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  Speaker 2: Whether it was motivated.
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  Speaker 3: By the Day of Mourning or Australia Day looming, or both,
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  Speaker 3: we can only guess. But if you were looking to
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  Speaker 3: our national broadcaster to provide a sense of national unity
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  Speaker 3: and social cohesion this time, think again.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC has marked the lead.
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  Speaker 3: Up to Australia Day with a TV show called Always
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  Speaker 3: Was Tonight, and while it clearly aimed to be funny
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  Speaker 3: and clever, it missed on both counts.
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  Speaker 5: Today we're giving the colony a colonoscope.
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  Speaker 6: This show is black, it's cracked, I don't once, it's
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  Speaker 6: lamb back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: About as edgy as a year ten theater sports event.
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  Speaker 3: A billion dollars of our tax dollars and the ABC
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  Speaker 3: can't even hire a witty writer. The publicly funded broadcaster
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  Speaker 3: even gave us an outrageous and unprovable claim against the
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  Speaker 3: very country it's supposed to serve.
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  Speaker 6: By the way, did you know that no member of
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  Speaker 6: the first fleet was recorded as having been infected by smallpox?
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  Speaker 5: Makes you wonder how did.
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  Speaker 6: The locals get infected by it in the first place, unless,
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  Speaker 6: as some experts have argued, it was deliberately introduced to
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  Speaker 6: decimate a population who Corners have described as primitive and barbaric,
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  Speaker 6: which would have been a deliberate use of biological warfare
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  Speaker 6: leading to a genocide. But don't let that ruin your barbecue.
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  Speaker 3: Deliberate biological warfare against Australia's indigenous people, that's the latest one.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard to get angry about this stuff because it
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  Speaker 3: is just so perile. You'd expect your primary school kids
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  Speaker 3: to come up with better material. What's really galling, though,
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  Speaker 3: is that we have to pay for it. We've got
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  Speaker 3: no choice. As if the confected racial division wasn't enough.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, the ABC just had to squeeze in some
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  Speaker 3: climate catastrophism too.
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  Speaker 7: I just wanted to remind your audience of the fact
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  Speaker 7: that scientists are predicting the entire torrest Rude Islands will
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  Speaker 7: be underwater within the next yeah, twenty five years. And
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  Speaker 7: if that happens, well, I might have to crash into
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  Speaker 7: your place, Butler. And by the way, I sleep in
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  Speaker 7: the nude.
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  Speaker 3: Now, if you watch a bit of ABC like me,
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  Speaker 3: you know it becomes very hard to tell the difference
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  Speaker 3: between the ABC's news and Current affairs shows and their
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  Speaker 3: comedy programs. I think perhaps the easiest way to tell
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  Speaker 3: them apart is that the news and Current affairs is
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  Speaker 3: sometimes quite funny, whereas the comedy shows never really crack
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  Speaker 3: it for a laugh.
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  Speaker 8: Before we know, it'll be January again and we'll realize
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  Speaker 8: that no one has done anything to actually change the
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  Speaker 8: day or fix the problems.
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  Speaker 9: So we're going to have to do this show all
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  Speaker 9: ever again to you next year.
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  Speaker 3: Can't wait for that one, hay, No chance they'll grow
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  Speaker 3: out of this stuff before then. There is, of course,
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  Speaker 3: nobody in charge at their ABC.
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  Speaker 2: The only way to fix it is to cut the funding.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to National's MP and Webster now the Member
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  Speaker 3: for Malie joining us from mild Mildura and Victoria. Good
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  Speaker 3: to talk to you and now tell us about why
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  Speaker 3: the Nationals have blown up the coalition. What is the
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  Speaker 3: point of this because you know you're going to have
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  Speaker 3: to put it back together and put it back together
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  Speaker 3: as soon as possible.
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  Speaker 10: Thanks Chris, great to be with you. It has been
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  Speaker 10: a torrid week. I actually want to go directly to
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  Speaker 10: what has driven us to this point, and that is
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  Speaker 10: a prime minister who has truncated guillotine, tried to push
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  Speaker 10: through a shambolic omnibus bill which needed a whole bunch
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  Speaker 10: of work before we even got to Canberra. We received
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  Speaker 10: it less than twenty four hours before, putting the pressure
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  Speaker 10: on both the National Party and the Liberal Party. I've
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  Speaker 10: a National Party met ten times, that's a record, I think,
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  Speaker 10: in about forty eight hours trying to do our best
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  Speaker 10: to improve a bad bill. Ultimately, we made a choice
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  Speaker 10: on the Tuesday afternoon that we wanted to push more
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  Speaker 10: amendments through the Senate that night, and so we abstained
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  Speaker 10: from the vote in the House in the hope that
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  Speaker 10: we would be able to get those amendments through in
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  Speaker 10: the Senate. That did not take place. Our senators were
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  Speaker 10: left standing on their own or sitting on their own
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  Speaker 10: and Consequently, a decision we had taken earlier in the
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  Speaker 10: day was that we would resign with them, which is
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  Speaker 10: protocol if you don't go with cabinet solidarity, even though
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  Speaker 10: that's now being brought into question. So the difficulty has
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  Speaker 10: been there was no joint party room. There was no
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  Speaker 10: way for us to come together as a coalition as
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  Speaker 10: we always do to pass legislation. That did not happen.
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  Speaker 10: Alban Easy managed to the legislation into the House while
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  Speaker 10: we were still talking about amendments, and mind you, the
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  Speaker 10: Labor Party was also trying to bring their own amendments
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  Speaker 10: as a disasters a disaster.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean, you get down in the weeds of
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  Speaker 3: all that stuff if you like. But the bottom line
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  Speaker 3: here is you've got a government that should be under
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  Speaker 3: pressure for the way it's completely mismanaged social cohesion and
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  Speaker 3: national security in this country. And I think the voting
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  Speaker 3: public have got a right to expect that the opposition,
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  Speaker 3: that the coalition can come to a unified position and
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  Speaker 3: stick to it instead of fracturing and going in a
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  Speaker 3: million different directions.
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  Speaker 10: Well again, you've got to go back to process. I
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  Speaker 10: agree with you. We all want to play kumbaya and
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  Speaker 10: sing it together. But the fact is that when things
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  Speaker 10: are wrong, when principles are violated, that is due process,
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  Speaker 10: that is our responsibility. We are legislators. We are sent
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  Speaker 10: to camera to fight for our electorates. We all do that.
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  Speaker 10: In the National Party. We had very frank conversations and
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  Speaker 10: ultimately came to the very sad conclusion that if our
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  Speaker 10: senators were if their resignations were accepted, then we would
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  Speaker 10: also resign with them.
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  Speaker 3: I got to say, I think it was just a
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  Speaker 3: mistake to be rushing to Canbra to try and pass laws.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway. The government has failed.
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  Speaker 3: It's failed in governments, in social leadership, in law enforcement
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  Speaker 3: and intelligence, and you're playing their game of pretending that
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  Speaker 3: passing more laws is going to fix the situation. But
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  Speaker 3: that aside, I want to go to David Little Proud,
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  Speaker 3: your leader, and show something of what he had to
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  Speaker 3: say today.
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  Speaker 11: Have a looked that we had a juncture where no
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  Speaker 11: one was prepared to serve in a Susan Lee ministry,
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  Speaker 11: and that she has forced the coalition into an untenable position.
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  Speaker 11: That's the sad place that we've got to. There was
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  Speaker 11: an opportunity that she could have grabbed in understanding the
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  Speaker 11: unique nature of the circumstances that were put in front
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  Speaker 11: of her. All the decision process ultimately always came back
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  Speaker 11: her feet. She made that decision, she knew the consequence.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's made it very directly personal about the Liberal leader.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, Susan Lee is the one trying to manage
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  Speaker 3: all of this. A lot of Liberals feeling this is
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  Speaker 3: the Thatt's now telling them who should lead their party,
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  Speaker 3: and they're not going to swallow that very very easily.
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  Speaker 10: Absolutely, the Nationals are not telling the Liberals who should
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  Speaker 10: lead their party. But it must be a relationship where
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  Speaker 10: there is respect and where under the extenuating circumstances of
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  Speaker 10: the deep mess of forty eight hours of trying to
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  Speaker 10: get this legislation stopped, slowed down more scrutiny on it,
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  Speaker 10: which is our right to call for. Susan Lee made
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  Speaker 10: the decision to accept the resignations. Now she didn't have
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  Speaker 10: to do that, but once that was done, it was
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  Speaker 10: over because we as a party all resigned. You can't
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  Speaker 10: have two artists come together and only one party have
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  Speaker 10: shadow ministry positions. That's not how it works. Yeah, I think, look,
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  Speaker 10: the ball is in their court.
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  Speaker 3: The president was there she could have let those shadow
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  Speaker 3: ministers stay in shadow cabinet. Maybe she felt pressure because
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  Speaker 3: she'd already had two liberals leave shadow cabinet earlier and
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  Speaker 3: just into Naberjippa Price, and of course Andrew Hasty. But
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  Speaker 3: how do you get through this? Surely you need to
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  Speaker 3: get back together as a coalition very quickly.
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  Speaker 12: For forget about the sake of your own parties, for
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  Speaker 12: the sake of the country.
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  Speaker 2: So we have an effective opposition.
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  Speaker 10: Chris, you have an effective opposition when we stand on principle.
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  Speaker 10: We don't play the politics. We stand on principle, and
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  Speaker 10: I can tell you right now every member of my
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  Speaker 10: party is absolutely aware of the weight on our shoulders
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  Speaker 10: to behave in the right way. We want to see
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  Speaker 10: a wrong opposition. We do not want to be labor like.
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  Speaker 10: We do not want to be passing laws that should
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  Speaker 10: not be passed, and there should be greater scrutiny. Our
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  Speaker 10: job is to hold Albanezy to account. He has look honestly,
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  Speaker 10: I think of the Sorcerer as apprentice and the mess
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  Speaker 10: that has ensued, And if the Prime Minister could have
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  Speaker 10: made a better plan, I don't know what it would
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  Speaker 10: be to create the kind of chaos that we have.
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  Speaker 10: I am very confident, very confident that we can walk
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  Speaker 10: through this, that we can come to an arrangement again
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  Speaker 10: at some point in time. I don't think our party
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  Speaker 10: is keen to rush into another relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Things need to be.
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  Speaker 10: Sorted out, but we need to give the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 10: due respect to go through their own processes. Review is
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  Speaker 10: absolutely necessary. I am very confident of the National's position.
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  Speaker 10: We strongly endorse David as our leader. There is no
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  Speaker 10: question about that, because I know there's been a narrative
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  Speaker 10: out there today. David has done an incredible job and
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  Speaker 10: we stand by him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, good words, they're good intention.
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  Speaker 3: Let's hope you get back to it pretty quickly and strongly,
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  Speaker 3: and because this government certainly needs to be held to account.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us, and Webster they're joining
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  Speaker 3: us from Mildura in Victoria now. As I showed you
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  Speaker 3: the other night. Last week, I visited Abu Dhabi and
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  Speaker 3: I was struck by how Arab Muslim nations like the UAE,
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  Speaker 3: like the Emirates are tackling Islamist extremism after the horrors
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  Speaker 3: of Bondai. It's clear that they're doing better than us.
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  Speaker 3: They're showing us the way. Now, former Federal Education Minister
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  Speaker 3: Alan Tudge has been working in the UAE and he
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  Speaker 3: wrote a piece for the Australian Financial Review on this
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  Speaker 3: very topic, and he.
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  Speaker 2: Joins me, now, thanks for joining us, Alander.
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  Speaker 3: An excellent piece that you wrote, such an important topic
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  Speaker 3: for us. Explain to us what we can learn from
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  Speaker 3: Muslim nations like the UAE.
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  Speaker 1: Today, ChRI, it's great to be with you.
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  Speaker 13: The UAE is unusual in that it takes a very
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  Speaker 13: uncompromising position in relation to extremism. It simply doesn't tolerate
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  Speaker 13: it in any form and sees it as a cancer
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  Speaker 13: on its society which it must root out at the
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  Speaker 13: prevention stage. Now, what that means in practice is a
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  Speaker 13: bunch of different things, including banning, for example, the Muslim
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  Speaker 13: Brotherhood which funds.
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  Speaker 1: So much of the extremism.
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  Speaker 13: It means licensing the imans and monitoring what they are
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  Speaker 13: preaching so that radicalization does not occur there and if
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  Speaker 13: any misbehavior has occurred, those imuns get removed. And it
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  Speaker 13: means monitoring other activities which go on such that no
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  Speaker 13: extremism gets a foothold in the society. Now, these aren't
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  Speaker 13: all things that I'm suggesting that we can follow, because
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  Speaker 13: some of those are really challenging for a liberal democracy.
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  Speaker 1: All I'm saying is that they're resolve.
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  Speaker 13: To ensure that they have a plural society, that mosques
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  Speaker 13: consider alongside synagogues, that people can be free from all
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  Speaker 13: walks of life is present, and that's determination to see
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  Speaker 13: that through and determination to stamp out extremism.
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  Speaker 1: Is what we need to adopt here in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, spot on, And you make a clear point, a
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  Speaker 3: fair point, that it is easier for them. They're not
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  Speaker 3: liberal democracies like us dealing with freedom of speech, so
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  Speaker 3: they can clamp down on this stuff a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more easily. But of course they are Muslim countries and
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  Speaker 3: they clearly understand what extremism would do to their success story.
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  Speaker 3: They're making a Motsa now through tourism and the rest
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  Speaker 3: of it, and they know that extremism terrorist attacks would
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  Speaker 3: destroy that quickly.
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  Speaker 12: So they try and nip it in the bud. So
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  Speaker 12: isn't that a lesson to us?
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  Speaker 3: Obviously there are legal difficulties about speech and how you
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  Speaker 3: shut it down with Parliament's been dealing with that, but
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  Speaker 3: we can't allow hate preachers to continue preaching extremist messages
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  Speaker 3: in this country, and it seems over the past decades
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  Speaker 3: we have actually allowed that to go on unhindered.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's right, Chris.
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  Speaker 13: Certainly, if there's any hate preachers out there today who
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  Speaker 13: are preaching extremist messages, they should be removed from the
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  Speaker 13: country if they are not Australian citizens and they are
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  Speaker 13: just residents or on other types of visas.
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  Speaker 1: The UAE is.
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  Speaker 13: Uncompromising on this, as I mentioned before, they licensed the imams.
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  Speaker 1: Now that would be.
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  Speaker 13: A very confronting thing for a liberal democracy to do
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  Speaker 13: and would step over the line between church and state.
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  Speaker 13: I believe what I would like to see though in
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  Speaker 13: Australia is for the Islamic Church for one of a
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  Speaker 13: better word, to get together and put greater structures in place,
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  Speaker 13: and so that bamols are doing the police so they
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  Speaker 13: can monitor it in the same way Now that the
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  Speaker 13: Catholic Church, for example, monitors all of the Catholic priests.
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  Speaker 13: They have to go through training, they get monitored. If
• 21:10
  Speaker 13: there's misbehavior, then they get removed. That needs to happen
• 21:15
  Speaker 13: and ideally led by the Islamic leadership themselves and if
• 21:19
  Speaker 13: they don't do that, I think the state will have
• 21:22
  Speaker 13: to step in. But then it gets into murky territory,
• 21:24
  Speaker 13: as I suggesting. The UAE doesn't have that sort of
• 21:28
  Speaker 13: issue to deal with. They simply monitor what they're doing.
• 21:31
  Speaker 13: They license the eymannd and anybody steps over the line
• 21:34
  Speaker 13: is removed.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, no questions asked.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: It's been very successful them for them. We've got to
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: learn from this stuff. It must be frustrating for you.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: You made a great contribution to this debate. This is
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: what the country should be focusing on now, is these issues.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Yet instead we've got these party political games and a
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: coalition in turmoil in Canberra.
• 21:57
  Speaker 13: Absolutely, Chris, and you know I'm glad I'm not in
• 22:01
  Speaker 13: this at the moment because you know, as a debacle
• 22:05
  Speaker 13: going on at the moment, and the only winners out
• 22:07
  Speaker 13: of this catastrophe which is occurring with the split between
• 22:11
  Speaker 13: the Liberal Party and the National Party, the only winners
• 22:13
  Speaker 13: out of it is the Labor Party in one nation
• 22:16
  Speaker 13: in the Astra and public aren't the winners out of
• 22:17
  Speaker 13: it because as you said before, you need a strong
• 22:20
  Speaker 13: opposition in order to hold the government to account, and
• 22:23
  Speaker 13: that's in everybody's interest.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: So I hope they can get it together again.
• 22:27
  Speaker 13: I hope that they can quickly resolve the differences, form
• 22:30
  Speaker 13: a coalition and be an effective opposition.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Alan, I appreciate it.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Alan Toudj there the former education minister drawing some very
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: clear lessons there for us. We have to fight Islamist
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: extremism and guess what Muslim countries are showing us how
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: to do it.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: We've got to take a break.
• 22:49
  Speaker 12: On the other side, Donald Trump gives the Europeans addressing down,
• 22:52
  Speaker 12: but he also strikes a deal.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Didn't you know it strikes a deal over Greenland. We'll
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: catch up with Alexander Downer after the break. Well, a
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: lot can change in twenty four hours.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I told you he'd get a deal done.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump has canceled tariffs due to be imposed on
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: some European nations after an apparent deal for the future
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: of Greenland.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Here's the latest from sky News UK.
• 23:18
  Speaker 14: Donald Trump came to Davos threatening to claim Greenland by
• 23:21
  Speaker 14: any means necessary. Seven hours after he arrived, he claimed
• 23:25
  Speaker 14: to have struck a deal over the future of the territory,
• 23:27
  Speaker 14: taking tariffs and military action off the table.
• 23:31
  Speaker 15: It's a long term deal.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: It's the ultimate long term deal.
• 23:37
  Speaker 16: And I think it puts everybody in a really good position,
• 23:40
  Speaker 16: especially as it pertains to security and minerals and everything else.
• 23:44
  Speaker 14: He began with a familiar takedown of the continent and
• 23:46
  Speaker 14: its economies.
• 23:48
  Speaker 15: Friends come back from different places. I don't want to
• 23:50
  Speaker 15: insult anybody and say I don't recognize it, and that's
• 23:55
  Speaker 15: not in a positive way, in a very negative way.
• 23:59
  Speaker 15: And I love Europe and I want to see Europe
• 24:01
  Speaker 15: go good, but it's not heading in the right direction.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Let's bring in Australia's longest serving foreign minister, Alexander down
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: and joining his life from Hobart.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Alexander.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Now, Donald Trump is unorthodox, he's abrasive, but he gets
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: the deal done. We don't know the details, but he's
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: saying when it comes to the minerals in Greenland and
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: the security of that island, a deal long term, a
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: permanent deal has been done.
• 24:28
  Speaker 15: Well.
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: I always said the United States wouldn't actually send a
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: military in an occupy Greenland, and I doubted very much
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: whether the ten percent tariffs on those European nations would
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: go ahead. But honestly, the media and social democratic governments
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: around the world, left of center governments always fall for
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: the Trump trip. He makes statements, He makes statements which
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: are a massive exaggeration of what will actually happen, because
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: he wants a deal of sorts, and he ends up
• 25:07
  Speaker 9: by getting a deal. And in this case, Greenland is
• 25:10
  Speaker 9: strategically important, and so what he's done is persuade NATO
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: to up their effort in Greenland, including America's effort, and
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: everybody will be happy with that.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the outcome should be great for everyone.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Obviously good for America, but obviously exceptionally good for NATO
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: as well. What I like about this particular move, too,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: is that Donald Trump is not sitting back there in
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: the oval officer shooting off of them. He's gone over
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: to Davos's eyeballed them all and told them exactly what
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: he thinks.
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: Right, He's courage personifive Donald Trump. There are times when
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: I don't like what he says. I'll be honest with you,
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: and I think his tactics are off and very brain
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: and slightly outrageous, But honestly, you couldn't say the man
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: lacked courage. He goes to Davos, he must be the
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: most hated person in Davos way beyond President Putin and
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: shee ching Ping in terms of the animosity. And he
• 26:18
  Speaker 9: goes over there and he makes a speech criticizes the
• 26:22
  Speaker 9: Europeans in a justified way, frankly because their economies are
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: flatlining or in some cases in recession. So yeah, he's
• 26:34
  Speaker 9: not afraid to confront his foes.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: They talk about Davos Man. He's kind of the antithesis
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: of Davos Man, but he turned up there. He's a
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: little bit of what he said to the crowd.
• 26:46
  Speaker 16: We never asked for anything, and we never got anything.
• 26:51
  Speaker 16: We probably won't get anything unless they just say to
• 26:54
  Speaker 16: use excessive strength and force, where we would be frankly unstoppable.
• 27:00
  Speaker 16: But I won't do that. Okay, Now everyone's saying, oh god,
• 27:07
  Speaker 16: that's probably the biggest statement I may because people thought
• 27:10
  Speaker 16: I would use force. I don't have to use force.
• 27:12
  Speaker 16: I don't want to use force.
• 27:13
  Speaker 15: I won't use force.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: There we are Donald Trump will waiting to hear more
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: details about this permanent deal when it comes to Greenland
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: security and its critical minerals. But before I let you go, Alexander,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I've got to get your thoughts on Australian politics. I
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: just don't understand how, when this government and this country
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: are in so much trauma at the moment, somehow the
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: coalition have conspired to make themselves the issue.
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: It's disgraceful and I think in particular my I is
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: directed at David Little Proud for taking the National Party
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: out of the coalition, presumably because he has a plan
• 27:52
  Speaker 9: that that will bring down Susan Lee. I think it
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: is a terrible way to behave. They must behave more
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: responsibly the public. You know, not the public are not
• 28:07
  Speaker 9: welded on to the Labor Party, but they're just exasperated
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: by the coalition at the moment.
• 28:13
  Speaker 17: I just know that.
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: From talking to people in Melbourne yesterday. People were just
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: fed up with the coalition or coalition parties the non
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: coalition now. But for the National Party to walk away
• 28:28
  Speaker 9: from the Liberal Party in that way, it's disgraceful and
• 28:33
  Speaker 9: it won't be readily forgotten. They have to get back
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: together again, put together.
• 28:39
  Speaker 18: A coherent philosophy, argue for coherent policies and policy reform,
• 28:47
  Speaker 18: and get on with holding the Labor Party, as they
• 28:50
  Speaker 18: like to say.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: To account.
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: And I'm sure that we get government.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Spot on, Alexander, look forward to catching up with you
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: again next week, Alexander down on the appointing. Yeah, they're
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: the non coalition parties at the moment, it's a non coalition.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: After the break, we'ent across to the Opera House and
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: catch up with Sharry marks in the preview. Tonight's special
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: commemoration of the Bondai massacre victims, and we're going to
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: meet a young girl who's working.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: To make sure that the Light does Win.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: As I've mentioned a couple of times, today is the
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: National Day of Mourning for the victims of the Bondaou.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Beach terrorist attack.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: As part of the commemoration, Sky News is broadcasting tonight
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: a special service at the Opera House. Light Will Win
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Its called is coming from the Opera House at seven
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: o'clock Eastern daylight saving time tonight. It's going to be
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: hosted by my colleague Shari Markson, and it's been organized
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: by the Hubbad of Bondai and Shari is at the
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Opera House.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Now joins us live.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Shari the fantastic that they are hosting this event tonight.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Tell us what we can expect to see and hear
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: from seven o'clock.
• 29:56
  Speaker 19: Look, it's going to be a beautiful couple of hours, Chris.
• 29:59
  Speaker 19: The most a thing that you'll see tonight is the
• 30:02
  Speaker 19: family members and the friends of every single Australian who
• 30:07
  Speaker 19: was killed at the Bondey terror attack have sat down
• 30:11
  Speaker 19: and recorded stories about their loved one who's passed away.
• 30:15
  Speaker 19: So you'll see beautiful ten year old girl Matilda. You'll
• 30:18
  Speaker 19: see her parents sitting down to talk about the little
• 30:22
  Speaker 19: girl that they've lost. Those heroes, the couple Boris and
• 30:26
  Speaker 19: Sophia German who tried to stop the terror attack, they
• 30:30
  Speaker 19: ran towards the danger. Heroes. Their son Alex has sat
• 30:36
  Speaker 19: down to talk about his parents. He's their only child.
• 30:40
  Speaker 19: So these videos are going to be so and I've
• 30:43
  Speaker 19: seen some of them. They are just so beautiful. And
• 30:46
  Speaker 19: let Australia really know more about these people who were
• 30:50
  Speaker 19: killed at Bondai. The majority of them were Jewish, but
• 30:54
  Speaker 19: not all. This is the worst, most devastating terror attack
• 30:59
  Speaker 19: that has happened on our soil. The whole Jewish community
• 31:02
  Speaker 19: is still grieving. Of course, today, as you said, is
• 31:04
  Speaker 19: the National Day of Mourning, so this is a memorial event.
• 31:07
  Speaker 19: We're also going to hear some prayers, mostly in Hebrew,
• 31:11
  Speaker 19: which is the ancient language of the Bible. There also
• 31:14
  Speaker 19: be some beautiful singing political speeches. Two, of course, the
• 31:17
  Speaker 19: Prime Minister Anthony ALBINIZI. He'll be apprehensive about the reception
• 31:22
  Speaker 19: that he's going to receive here tonight. He'll want to
• 31:24
  Speaker 19: have some very powerful words to deliver it to the
• 31:27
  Speaker 19: community that's suffering. Susan Lee is also going to be speaking.
• 31:31
  Speaker 19: She's had a very difficult week in camera fighting for
• 31:33
  Speaker 19: her leadership. And then of course the premiere in New
• 31:36
  Speaker 19: South Wales.
• 31:37
  Speaker 12: Chris Mins, Yeah, so important to come together, so important
• 31:41
  Speaker 12: to have that positivity and that commemoration. But no doubt
• 31:45
  Speaker 12: also Sharry, there'll be a steely resolve to improve things
• 31:49
  Speaker 12: and make sure this can't happen again.
• 31:53
  Speaker 19: Absolutely, And Chris, you know, while the community has been vulnerable,
• 31:59
  Speaker 19: we are vulnerable, no question about it. And while we
• 32:01
  Speaker 19: are victims of this terror attack, I think that we
• 32:05
  Speaker 19: don't see ourselves as victims. We see ourselves as a
• 32:08
  Speaker 19: very strong, resilient and determined community. I mean, Chris, over
• 32:14
  Speaker 19: thousands of years, as you know, the Jewish people have
• 32:16
  Speaker 19: faced persecution and we have prevailed against every hatred that
• 32:22
  Speaker 19: has thrown our way and we have that same resolve
• 32:26
  Speaker 19: now we have that same resilience. Now a heart broken community,
• 32:30
  Speaker 19: but we aren't broken and we have to and Chris
• 32:34
  Speaker 19: you're leading the fight. We all are at Sky News.
• 32:37
  Speaker 19: We've got to make this country safe again. That is
• 32:40
  Speaker 19: the lesson that should have been learned before BONDI. It
• 32:43
  Speaker 19: has to be learned now, well.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Said Sherry, break a leg tonight. Appreciate you joining us.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Sherry Marx in there, who is going to be hosting
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: The Light Will Win from the Opera House tonight, compulsory
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: viewing from seven o'clock. What a lovely shot that was too,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: from the Opera House looking out over the wonderful city
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: of Sydney. There is still some light in the world.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: And how about this for an inspiring story. Eleven year
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: old Valentine Myerson is raising money for the family of Matilda,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: the Bond Eye terror attacks. Youngest victim now six year
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: old Valentine.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: There's a sorry. A year six student, Valentine has.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Spent our school holidays making bracelets in memory of Matilda,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: and she's been selling them all around the world. I
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: caught up with Valentine and her mum Lexi earlier and
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: asked how all this is unfolded.
• 33:35
  Speaker 20: Well, the Bono terror attack was, you know, like with everyone,
• 33:41
  Speaker 20: that absolutely massive shock. You know, we didn't shelter Valentine
• 33:46
  Speaker 20: or any of our kids from any of it because
• 33:48
  Speaker 20: we thought it was quite important for them to see
• 33:52
  Speaker 20: what was going on. And look, we had family members
• 33:55
  Speaker 20: that were down there and lots of friends that were
• 33:57
  Speaker 20: down there, so you know, they were all unfold and
• 34:01
  Speaker 20: I guess the bracelets, the Valentine starting them until to
• 34:05
  Speaker 20: be bracelets, was really just a way, I guess, to
• 34:10
  Speaker 20: channel so much of that anger and sadness and frustration
• 34:15
  Speaker 20: and all those huge emotions that kids have, you know,
• 34:19
  Speaker 20: into something productive. And for her, I mean, you know,
• 34:25
  Speaker 20: it was devastating losing anyone, let alone family friends. But
• 34:30
  Speaker 20: then Valentine, you know, saw this ten year old girl
• 34:35
  Speaker 20: and you know, for her it was a huge that
• 34:39
  Speaker 20: could have been me. It was a huge shock and
• 34:43
  Speaker 20: absolutely devastating. And yeah, those the bracelets were away for
• 34:47
  Speaker 20: Valentine to just channel that big emotion and try and
• 34:50
  Speaker 20: do something productive and meaningful. And I guess for her,
• 34:58
  Speaker 20: you know, those bracelets were away to honor Matilda b Britford.
• 35:03
  Speaker 20: And yeah, so you know, what started is.
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: A small school holiday activity, you know, in remembrance, has
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: become this absolutely mammothin But I don't think in your
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: wildest dreams you thought it would have grown to become
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: this few.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Valentine, it is such a lovely project. You didn't
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: know Matilda, but you've come to know her family of course,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: and her little sister. Tell us about how you came
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: up with the idea for the bracelets and what you've
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: been thinking about all summer while you've been spending so
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: many hours making these bracelets and selling them all around
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: the world.
• 35:41
  Speaker 17: When I heard and saw the the massacre at Bondai
• 35:48
  Speaker 17: and I saw that Matilda, someone pretty much my age,
• 35:52
  Speaker 17: was killed, I wanted to show that not to forget,
• 36:00
  Speaker 17: so everyone remembers them. And I tried to make something
• 36:04
  Speaker 17: that could symbolize a bee from Matilda bee. So I
• 36:08
  Speaker 17: chose bracelets. And also it's like you can wear sort symbolizers.
• 36:14
  Speaker 17: And I've got this slogan kind of thing called bees
• 36:20
  Speaker 17: on risks, like we're trying to get as many bees
• 36:23
  Speaker 17: on risks as we can.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've been very successful at that.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Tell us about how many you've made and how many
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: you've sold and you're raising money from this, what do
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: you hope to do with that money?
• 36:36
  Speaker 17: So I've made about over eight hundred maybe bracelets and
• 36:43
  Speaker 17: we've raised just over twenty five thousand dollars and we're
• 36:50
  Speaker 17: and we're trying to get summer and parents to go
• 36:55
  Speaker 17: to Disneyland and make get magical fident.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Just to give some happiness into their lives a courtesy
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: of so many people. Tell me how far afield have
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: people ordered the bracelets.
• 37:10
  Speaker 17: From, like Canada, Spain, the US, UK, R.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Wow, Australia. Wow.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: You've really touched a lot of people with this project
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: right around the world. Valentine, thanks so much for sharing
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: your story with us. Congratulations on your project. On a
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: day like today, we want to make sure that the
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: light will win, and your example shows us one way
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: of doing that.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much.
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: Thank you.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant stuff from Valentine. There it is Peacehive dot org.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: If you want to buy one of those bracelets and
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: help out with the causes. Www dot peacehive dot org.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: We're going to take a break now. On the other side,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: we'll catch up with Tim Lair and Mark Nicholson. We'll
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: check in on the new please explain movie, the super
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Pressive movie. We've caught up with my next guest a
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: few times, Jamie Johnson, who co hosts the JJ podcast
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: assessing all things political. But today she's revealed she's fed
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: up with the Liberal Party and she's quit it, she
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: writes in the Daily Telegraph. Since the ousting of Tony
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Abbott in twenty fifteen, the party is steadily drifted away
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: from principles and values it once defended. Unapologetic jetically, Jamie
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: joins me now, and with the coalition falling apart in Canberra.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Jamie, your decision looks like a side of the times.
• 38:38
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 38:38
  Speaker 21: Absolutely, And I just want to say, Chris, I haven't
• 38:42
  Speaker 21: made this decision or put out this article because I
• 38:45
  Speaker 21: want to further destroy the Liberal Party. I love the
• 38:48
  Speaker 21: Liberal Party and if anything, I want to shake it
• 38:52
  Speaker 21: and wake it up and say what happened to representing,
• 38:56
  Speaker 21: you know, the constituents. What happened to representing the masses
• 38:59
  Speaker 21: that believed in the Menzi's statement and we believe and
• 39:03
  Speaker 21: the fundamental values that you once held so dear that
• 39:07
  Speaker 21: we're now struggling to see.
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: Yeah, let's get into this just briefly to summarize it,
• 39:13
  Speaker 12: because this is the issue right that we believe.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Statement is there.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: We know what a Liberal Party should stand for, individual freedom,
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: free enterprise, small government.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: But it seems to have lost its way.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: It seems to be always talking about wondering what it
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: should stand for. It doesn't know whether it really supports
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: cheap and reliable energy or small government. It seems to
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: be driven, well some of it, at least some people
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: that seem to be driven by playing politics and trying
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: to match labor. How are they going to what would
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: you be your recommendation to get back to the core values.
• 39:47
  Speaker 21: Well, unfortunately, at the moment, I think you and I
• 39:50
  Speaker 21: both know that there's a small faction of moderates that
• 39:53
  Speaker 21: have their clause into the party and are running the
• 39:56
  Speaker 21: show at the moment. And you know, these people were
• 39:59
  Speaker 21: the same ones that supported a Voice to Parliament. They
• 40:02
  Speaker 21: support net zero, they support mass immigration, they support Labour's
• 40:07
  Speaker 21: rushed extremism bill, and now we've seen in recent days
• 40:11
  Speaker 21: they support gender quotas. And I can't help but ask
• 40:15
  Speaker 21: why on earth they're in the Liberal Party.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting question. Just briefly, you're not going to join
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: one nation, are you?
• 40:23
  Speaker 21: Look, Chris I can definitely see why one nation is
• 40:27
  Speaker 21: attractive to the masses. At the moment, I think I'm
• 40:30
  Speaker 21: going to hang tight for a bit and just be
• 40:32
  Speaker 21: able to keep my independent voice, keep doing what I'm
• 40:34
  Speaker 21: doing on our podcast and on our social media channel,
• 40:37
  Speaker 21: and not have to be a mouthpiece for anyone. I
• 40:41
  Speaker 21: certainly don't mind seeing her success though.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Jamie. Appreciate Jamie Johnson. There there
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  Speaker 2: you go.
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  Speaker 3: That's the problem for the Liberal Party at the moment.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: They're losing people, and people are attracted to the ideological
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: or value certainty.
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  Speaker 2: Of one nation. We'll see how long it takes them
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: to get their act together.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to what passes as our National Cabinet now
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: with the Daily Telegraphs.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Tim Blair and Mark Dilson from step.
• 41:07
  Speaker 12: Makes Studios joining us for the first chat of the
• 41:10
  Speaker 12: first formal gathering of National Cabinet this year.
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  Speaker 2: Gentlemen and Mark, what are shambles?
• 41:17
  Speaker 12: The coalition no longer a coalition, not even through January yet,
• 41:22
  Speaker 12: and they've split back into this separate parties. And I
• 41:25
  Speaker 12: just think it's a travesty because this is a bad
• 41:28
  Speaker 12: government and this is a country with big problems and
• 41:31
  Speaker 12: the opposition is not effective.
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  Speaker 22: Well, that's right, mate, And when people are struggling and
• 41:37
  Speaker 22: when things are really bad and there's a lot of
• 41:39
  Speaker 22: bad stuff going on, this is what you need. You
• 41:41
  Speaker 22: need a very strong opposition. And this is a party
• 41:44
  Speaker 22: that's a coalition that hasn't been worthy of let alone.
• 41:48
  Speaker 22: Government hasn't been worthy of opposition. It's been an absolute shambles,
• 41:51
  Speaker 22: even if you just take the ideology out of it.
• 41:54
  Speaker 22: What happened this week with getting those laws through, Just
• 41:57
  Speaker 22: as a conservative bloke who loves the system of government,
• 42:00
  Speaker 22: that was disgusting. I love the way our laws are made.
• 42:03
  Speaker 22: I think Australia has got one of the best systems
• 42:05
  Speaker 22: of government ever. Just to see it done that way
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  Speaker 22: is an absolute disgrace. In my opinion, I don't like it.
• 42:12
  Speaker 22: I'm also I've been bleeding orange for a long long time.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm a One Nation fan.
• 42:16
  Speaker 22: I like him back when they were dangerous, back when
• 42:19
  Speaker 22: it was dangerous, clicking my fingers to the tunes for
• 42:22
  Speaker 22: a long time.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Everyone's wearing the shirt now whatever, So I'm happy.
• 42:26
  Speaker 22: I'm happy to see this a little bit because I
• 42:28
  Speaker 22: think we've got a genuine opposition incoming.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I'll come back to one nation with you in a moment.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: But Tim, I want to get your thoughts on this,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: because you know we can argue. You get right into the.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Detail of this legislation, and people say they like this
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: bit or didn't like this bit, and some of it
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: was fixed up.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: But I come back to first principles.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Here, we're dealing with a country with had anti semitism
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: and Islamist extremism running out of control for over two years,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: warnings for government to do something about it.
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  Speaker 2: They do nothing.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Then we have the worst terrorism attack and then theyation's
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: history and people think the solution is gun laws.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: And hate speech laws.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, I just think this is fundamentally the problem
• 43:09
  Speaker 12: and the coalition never should have been going down this path.
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  Speaker 2: New laws aren't.
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  Speaker 3: Going to fix this problem. We need strong leadership and
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: proper law enforcement.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: Well, we actually needed strong leadership about twenty or thirty
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: years ago when certain problems were set in train that
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: are very hard to arrest now in fact impossible to arrest.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, when we've got senior figures in both parties
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: saying things like, you know, we're not going to get
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: rid of all extremists. You know, well, at a certain
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: point we didn't have any in this country, and then
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: they arrived somehow, and it was a bipartisan arrangement, and
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: now we're reaping the great benefits of that. By the way,
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: I feel, just to get in the spirit of things,
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: I should just walk out, shouldn't I? This is this
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: is the national cabinet?
• 43:51
  Speaker 20: Should I?
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: And for breach? Well it just came, by the way,
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: just do it. Advice, do you.
• 44:00
  Speaker 12: Want me to play the role of Susan Lee come back?
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Everybody come back.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: If susanally does go and we need a replacement, I
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: think it's fairly well, fully well going down that road.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: The liberals should actually find someone who isn't a generic politician,
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: find someone who you couldn't imagine being the leader of labor.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: That's where that's when the liberals tend to do best,
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: when it's a definitely obvious liberal leader without sort of
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: that generic you know, Oh, someone who's a bit like
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: this on that zero and with someone who's a bit
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: like that on other issues. No, make them definitely liberal
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: and then go from there.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sound advice. Now let's get back to one nation.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Of course, mark Ya, you've got an ongoing relationship with
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: one Nation through the Please Explain cartoons, and they've been
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: so successful that they've morphed into the super progressive movie
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: we talked about this last year.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: It's of course going to be.
• 44:53
  Speaker 12: Hitting our screens as of Australia Day as of Monday.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Here's a little bit of his preview.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: They're not laughing at a woman's a very funny joke.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: The defendant is charged with sogoyny in the first degree.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: He's a white, straight, cisgendered male.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: I've heard enough.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I said.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: It's a defendant death O fucking wise one. Please tell
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: us what.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: To do justice the oldest full towe.
• 45:44
  Speaker 22: He's come again.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I I'm again now.
• 45:48
  Speaker 23: The trouble for you, Mark is you know, because it's
• 45:52
  Speaker 23: life imitates art and vice versa. You've gone for this, uh,
• 45:56
  Speaker 23: this outrageous satire. But in album today they're knocking down
• 46:01
  Speaker 23: statues to protest against Australia. Your cutoon's already redundant.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: They're doing this in real life.
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  Speaker 10: Mate.
• 46:11
  Speaker 22: There's been so much fortune telling in this whole movie.
• 46:14
  Speaker 22: We've been writing it for twelve months, but there has
• 46:16
  Speaker 22: been so much in this But it's been spray painting,
• 46:18
  Speaker 22: taking down statues, the most important thing that they do. Now,
• 46:21
  Speaker 22: this is the four Progressives are leaving their Melbourne num bubble.
• 46:25
  Speaker 22: They realize they live in a bubble and they go
• 46:26
  Speaker 22: out into a world where Prime Minister Paul Aine Hansen's
• 46:29
  Speaker 22: in control, and they learn that it's actually great. Australia
• 46:33
  Speaker 22: is awesome. And that's what that's what the whole movie
• 46:36
  Speaker 22: is about. It's a super progressive movie. It's about people
• 46:39
  Speaker 22: learning about how great conservatism is, what it's like to
• 46:42
  Speaker 22: have a real government in charge. It's it's a lot
• 46:45
  Speaker 22: of fun and it's this is the sort of stuff
• 46:47
  Speaker 22: that a party of government does, is produces films.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: What are the sort of party we do something like this?
• 46:53
  Speaker 22: This tasts courage, This tastes courage, but of the sort
• 46:56
  Speaker 22: of thing you want to see you from your politician, your.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Party spot on.
• 47:00
  Speaker 12: Now, I'm going to show another clip here, and Tim,
• 47:03
  Speaker 12: I want you to pay special attention to this.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: I was starting to think.
• 47:08
  Speaker 23: That maybe this isn't a progressive paradise, after all, what
• 47:12
  Speaker 23: would I know.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just a dumb white guy in my opinion.
• 47:14
  Speaker 24: Doesn't matter kill me, yeah, Tim, Now the fright bats
• 47:26
  Speaker 24: have come from you in the past.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Do you fear they might come at you again.
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: I relate very deeply to this film in that particular role.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: I'd also know that twenty twenty six is shaping up
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: as a pretty good year for Australian cinema because we
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: not only have Mark's cartoon, which is actually closer to
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: a documentary, we also have a documentary coming out about Metal.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: As anything, it's the feel good year of Australian movies.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: Everyone will been lighting up for both of them. It
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: should be a double show.
• 47:52
  Speaker 9: That'd be great.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Now, just to finish off, I want to show you
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: this story out of a college in Ipswich, San Edmund's
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: College with a cracking down on the boys hairdoos, and
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: the top hairdoos are allowed, the bottom hairdoos are not acceptable,
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: and they've outlawed the mullet.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Gentlemen.
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  Speaker 12: Now, I know Mark and I don't really have much
• 48:13
  Speaker 12: he had to speak of, but I once wore a mullet.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: You can't outlaw the mullet.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I'm just jealous.
• 48:21
  Speaker 22: I'm jealous of all the boys in those photos to
• 48:23
  Speaker 22: having hair, so I think, yeah, they should shave it
• 48:25
  Speaker 22: all off. That's the right answer. I'm with the school
• 48:27
  Speaker 22: on this one. I reckon everyone should just it's a
• 48:30
  Speaker 22: nice professional buzzcut.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: That's what you want. You cannot, you cannot.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: It's un Australian to outlaw the mullet. We will see
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: where that ends up. Thanks for joining us, gentlemen, Tim
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Blair and Mark Nicholson. Will catch you guys next week.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Just a bit of time to share some of your
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: feedback from what we had to say last night about
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: the Coalition.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: What you had to say.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Todd says, the Nationals are representing Australians far better than
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: the Trader has left all the Libs. They see the
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: truth of the matter and they've cooled out the gas lighting.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Dave says politicians voting in line with the wishes of
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: their electric rather than solidarity to a party.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Good on the NATS now.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: One viewer says the Coalition is completely in the shambles
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: and it's Australians who will pay for it.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: That is the truth.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: And Sean says I signed up tonight as a member
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: of one nation. There you go, that's what's happening at
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: the moment. Thanks for joining me. It's been a great
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: week back here and on the Kenny Report for twenty
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: twenty six, have a good weekend.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Coming up next is Peter Creblin. Cheers,