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Ken Rosenthal's Inside Scoop: Rendon era over? Workhorse Snell, Reds outlook, Extension szn · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: It's just one more unfortunate turn and what likely will
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  Speaker 1: be I would imagine the end of his Angels career.
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  Speaker 1: He's not coming back from This doesn't sound.
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  Speaker 2: Like inside Scoop with Ken Rosenthaler, FT senior insider, is
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  Speaker 2: at Red's camp today. We're excited about that because FT
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  Speaker 2: is actually going to be at the Reds opening day
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  Speaker 2: regular season matchup. We'll get to that another time. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't really announce it until just now, but Ken,
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  Speaker 2: great to see you, and I'm excited about this team.
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  Speaker 2: The projections don't love them, which is confusing. What are
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  Speaker 2: your thoughts now being at camp and seeing how different
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  Speaker 2: the roster looks.
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  Speaker 1: The number one difference is the manager, Terry Francona, and
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  Speaker 1: he obviously has won in his past. We all know
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  Speaker 1: that he is gifted at getting the most out of players,
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  Speaker 1: connecting with players. And yes, they have added some interesting
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  Speaker 1: pieces Brady Singer and Gavin Lux and Jose Travino right
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  Speaker 1: down the line. They've done something more around the edges,
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  Speaker 1: I would say, than dramatic big moves. But will it
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  Speaker 1: be competitive in the NL Central? I expect that they
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  Speaker 1: will be unless the Cubs get Gregman, then it becomes
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  Speaker 1: maybe a different equation. But the bottom line is can
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  Speaker 1: the Reds compete for a wildcard spot if their pitching
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  Speaker 1: stays healthy and if their offense is what they all
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  Speaker 1: thought it could have been last year? Yeah, they should
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  Speaker 1: be able to compete for a wildcard spot. And I
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  Speaker 1: do believe that Francona will be a difference maker. How
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  Speaker 1: many wins that translates into, I don't know, but yes,
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  Speaker 1: he's here for a reason.
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  Speaker 3: Ken, I got two things.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, Pakoda says they're only winning like seventy
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  Speaker 4: three games. So we had the Pakoda guy on recently,
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  Speaker 4: So they're only winning seventy three games. So I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what what you'rybody.
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  Speaker 1: Is an expert. Everybody knows exactly how the season is
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  Speaker 1: gonna play out, aging exactly.
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  Speaker 4: You know who we would you know who we would
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  Speaker 4: love to find out about this team from Tito? So
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  Speaker 4: can you when you see Tito, can you just ask
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  Speaker 4: him why the heck you won't text me back? He's
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  Speaker 4: all happy, joy joy when I see him on the
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  Speaker 4: golf course and he's like, oh, come on whenever and
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  Speaker 4: then now crickets can So can you just ask him
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  Speaker 4: why he won't call.
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  Speaker 3: Me back agent.
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  Speaker 1: It's not my top priority today.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Sorry, Okay, can we get a third on
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  Speaker 3: your list? Please? When you see him?
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  Speaker 1: Em maybe fourth or fifth? I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, at least I'm on the list. Can't. At least
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  Speaker 3: I'm on the list. You're on the list.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Ken, I want to switch gears for a moment
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  Speaker 2: because the news that our fans are obviously typing up
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  Speaker 2: a storm about is Anthony Rendon and hip surgery. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's not technically a really relevant name in our sport
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  Speaker 2: for the last several years, but the contract is relevant.
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  Speaker 2: So did you see it and what is your reaction
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  Speaker 2: to this? I know we don't have a ton of
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  Speaker 2: details yet on when it happened.
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  Speaker 1: Of course I saw it, and I'm not surprised, and
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  Speaker 1: the Angels are not surprised. The Angels built their team
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  Speaker 1: not expecting Anthony Rendon to play a major He's been
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  Speaker 1: hurt for quite some time now. Of course, he's signed
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  Speaker 1: that huge contract seven years, two hundred and forty five
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  Speaker 1: I believe is what it was. It was the same
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  Speaker 1: as Strasburg's if I'm not mistaken, and it just has
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  Speaker 1: never panned out for them. So they signed you on
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  Speaker 1: Mancata recently, and my expectation is he's going to play
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  Speaker 1: third base. Their expectation was that he's.
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  Speaker 2: Going to play third base.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously we can joke about Rendon and make fun
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  Speaker 1: of him and all of that. Nobody wants to see
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  Speaker 1: a player hurt. No one wants to see a player
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  Speaker 1: have repeated surgeries and ailments. He has been a guy
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  Speaker 1: that's been quite unlucky in this regard. And again, no
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  Speaker 1: one who saw that news today who has any knowledge
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  Speaker 1: of the Angels and Rendon could have really been surprised.
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  Speaker 1: It's just one more unfortunate turn and what likely will
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  Speaker 1: be I would imagine the end of his Angels career.
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  Speaker 1: He's not coming back from this. It doesn't sound like
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  Speaker 1: this year anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Ron Burgundy.
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  Speaker 4: Would read whatever's on the them prompt in your article,
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  Speaker 4: you said, Blake Snell Dodgers' workhorse question mark, Can you
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  Speaker 4: delve into that a little bit more? Is that good
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  Speaker 4: for the Dodgers, bad for the Dodgers?
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  Speaker 3: Where is where is that coming from?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's funny, Eric, I looked at the comments this morning,
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  Speaker 1: which is always a bad idea to do on any article,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of people didn't seem to get the
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  Speaker 1: point of this. And it's not that the Dodgers need
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  Speaker 1: a workhorse. They've got this incredible depth, They've got all
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  Speaker 1: these pitchers. But Blake Snell, at this stage of his career,
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  Speaker 1: wants to be more of that guy. He wants to
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  Speaker 1: be a guy and he communicated this to the Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: who takes down innings, and he's also someone who wants
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  Speaker 1: the ball every fifth day. That, as far as the
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers are constructed, is kind of a rare thing because Otani, Yamamoto, Sasaki,
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  Speaker 1: they're accustomed to pitching once a week, as they did
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  Speaker 1: in Japan, though Otani at times has pitched on five
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  Speaker 1: days rest here, which is really once a week two.
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  Speaker 1: And then you have guys like Dustin May or Tony Gonsolin,
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  Speaker 1: they're coming off surgeries. Kershaw now he's another one coming
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  Speaker 1: off surgery. So to have someone offer that stability, if
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  Speaker 1: Snell can do it, that's going to be a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: And if Snell can make thirty starts, he put it
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  Speaker 1: this way, if I make my starts and I have
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  Speaker 1: quality starts in the bulk of them, I'm gonna get
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  Speaker 1: close to two hundred innings and I'm gonna be that
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  Speaker 1: guy that I've kind of wanted to be. And he's
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  Speaker 1: looking forward to talking with Kershaw about it as well.
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  Speaker 1: So I know our definition of a workhorse now is
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  Speaker 1: not what it was. And I know what the perception
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  Speaker 1: of Blake Snell is around the game. This guy's not
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  Speaker 1: a work course, he's out of the game in the
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  Speaker 1: fifth inning, sixth inning. And of course his most famous game,
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  Speaker 1: even more famous than his no hitter, was the Game
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  Speaker 1: six of the twenty twenty World Series when he was
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  Speaker 1: lifted of course in that game early and you know
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  Speaker 1: what happened. So to me, this was quite an interesting topic,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that see Blake Snell or to hear
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  Speaker 1: him talk about this kind of thing was interesting as well.
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  Speaker 1: And to see what the Dodgers have in store for
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  Speaker 1: him will be fascinating as the season goes on, because,
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  Speaker 1: as Dave Roberts said, it's going to take some rotation
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  Speaker 1: gymnastics to get everybody kind of on schedule. It's going
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  Speaker 1: to be difficult to maintain a schedule. But Snell is
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  Speaker 1: going to be a huge part of that if healthy.
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  Speaker 4: I've argued this ever since he left the Rays, that
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  Speaker 4: maybe because he gets better actually third time through the
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  Speaker 4: order then anybody else, let alone just himself, that maybe
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  Speaker 4: this is he's been primed to do this and has
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  Speaker 4: always wanted to do it. Is there any inkling that
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  Speaker 4: the Dodgers will allow him to do it, not just
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  Speaker 4: because of all the things you just said, but because
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  Speaker 4: of health, because of how long.
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  Speaker 3: They think their season is going to go. Because how can.
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  Speaker 4: You work one guy in five days and then everyone
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  Speaker 4: else six days?
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  Speaker 3: Now it becomes almost like a seven day rotation.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that's the difficult part, Eric, in my mind, how
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  Speaker 1: do you make all of this work to satisfy all
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  Speaker 1: the different guy's needs. Now, in Snell's case, if you've
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  Speaker 1: got to stretchwhere playing twenty in a row, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he can pitch every fifth day in that sequence, And
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  Speaker 1: I think maybe that's how this will work. Depending on
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  Speaker 1: off days. They will fit him in accordingly, fit all
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  Speaker 1: their pictures in accordingly. And as for going deeper into games, yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's a question that all teams are going to raise
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  Speaker 1: third time through the order of the Statistical evidence is
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  Speaker 1: pretty overwhelming against most pitchers with this particular thing, and
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  Speaker 1: Snell too, But he is someone who last season in
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  Speaker 1: that good run he had once he got healthy, final
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  Speaker 1: thirteen starts of the season, he went seven four times
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  Speaker 1: and he went into the seventh another time, and that
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  Speaker 1: included the no hitter against Cincinnati. So he didn't do
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  Speaker 1: that as much. Even in his cy young season. The
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  Speaker 1: year before he only went seven three times. I believe
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  Speaker 1: in his dominant stretch there. So he is showing signs
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  Speaker 1: of becoming that guy.
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  Speaker 3: Will he be.
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  Speaker 1: Bob Gibson in nineteen sixty eight. No, No pitcher today
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  Speaker 1: will be. But can he be someone who approaches two hundred,
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  Speaker 1: which he's never done in his career. His career high
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  Speaker 1: is one eighty and two thirds. Yeah, I think he could.
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  Speaker 2: many questions flowing through about the padres and potential players
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  Speaker 2: that they could trade along with the Orioles, which were
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  Speaker 2: one of the teams. Obviously, All thirty featured in that
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  Speaker 2: Athletic article about spring training storylines and if they have
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  Speaker 2: enough starting pitching. Of course, there's still people out there
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  Speaker 2: being like, why doesn't cease to the Oriols make sense.
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  Speaker 2: I'll top it off by saying that you wrote about
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  Speaker 2: the Orioles in your recent notes column in The Athletic,
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  Speaker 2: so I'll let you take it away.
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  Speaker 1: The Oils and Padres would appear to be a match
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  Speaker 1: if the Oils are intent on acquiring another starting pitcher,
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  Speaker 1: and I would think that if they could acquire one,
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  Speaker 1: it would have to be someone along the lines of
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  Speaker 1: Dylan Cees. They have enough bodies. They have actually a
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  Speaker 1: plethora of rotation candidates when you look at who they've acquired,
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  Speaker 1: Charlie Morton and Sagano in addition to of course Grayson
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  Speaker 1: Rodriguez and Zach Efflyn. And they've got Dean Kramer returning
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  Speaker 1: as well. Bradish and Tyler Wells come back at mid season.
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  Speaker 1: Trevor Rodgers starts the year at TRIPAA. With some of
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  Speaker 1: the other prospects they have numbers. Do they have the
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  Speaker 1: top of the rotation guy that they had last year
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  Speaker 1: in Burns? That's the question. So what I wrote about
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  Speaker 1: was they're seeming glut of outfielders as well, But I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that they see it as a glut, and
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  Speaker 1: they see it as depth, and the addition of Ramo
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  Speaker 1: Loreano did not necessarily signal a trade. It just gave
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  Speaker 1: them another alternative out there. And keep in mind Tyler
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  Speaker 1: O'Neill's at a long injury history and who knows if
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  Speaker 1: he'll stay healthy. So the real question here is what
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  Speaker 1: are the Padres going to do? And that's the question
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  Speaker 1: we don't really know the answer to. AJ Preller is
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  Speaker 1: always going to listen on potential free agents like Ces.
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  Speaker 1: We know that he does not operate by the calendar.
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  Speaker 1: His peers in executive offices op right by heel will
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  Speaker 1: make trades at any time of year. I just don't
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  Speaker 1: know if they see trading Cease, or trading Michael King,
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  Speaker 1: or trading Arise or even Robert Suarez, who probably is
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  Speaker 1: the most likely to go, is something that they need
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  Speaker 1: to do. We don't know if they need to do
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  Speaker 1: it financially. We don't know what they're thinking along the
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  Speaker 1: lines of their prospects and if they want to improve
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  Speaker 1: their prospect base. Seems to me Aj Peler wants to compete.
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  Speaker 1: It's got a really good team this year, so if
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  Speaker 1: they trade Cease, it would have to be something along
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  Speaker 1: the lines. I would imagine of the Wan Soto trade. Now,
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  Speaker 1: They're not gonna get that much back, of course, but
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  Speaker 1: they would want a good amount back and some pieces
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  Speaker 1: that would help them in the major.
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  Speaker 3: Leagues this year.
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  Speaker 1: The Oils have guys that they could trade. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: not sure I see this coming together.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, speaking of not coming together, can you just
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  Speaker 4: give us a flat out answer. Where the heck is
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  Speaker 4: Ox Bragman gonna sign and win? The options are doing doing?
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  Speaker 4: Teams are in camp, Maybe the Angels they lost their
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  Speaker 4: third basement again.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe he can sign with the Angels. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: where the Heck's gonna sign. Aj.
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  Speaker 1: I wish I could give you an answer. I wish
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  Speaker 1: I had some knowledge of this situation that could reflect
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  Speaker 1: insight on where he's going to end up. It's not
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  Speaker 1: that his options are necessarily dwindling. He has options. I believe,
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  Speaker 1: the Red Sox, the Blue Jays, the Tigers, all the
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  Speaker 1: teams that have been in it from the beginning, the Cubs.
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  Speaker 1: The question is to me, does he have at this
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  Speaker 1: point an offer he likes? The answer obviously is no,
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  Speaker 1: otherwise he would have signed, and are his best offers
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  Speaker 1: coming from places where he doesn't want to go. That
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  Speaker 1: could be the case here, that could be part of
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  Speaker 1: the problem. Chicago, Detroit, Boston all seemed to me to
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  Speaker 1: be places that don't want to necessarily go six years.
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  Speaker 1: They want to do it shorter and that kind of
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  Speaker 1: bridge contract that Scott Boris talks about. Now, maybe I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe someone will go six and maybe ultimately he
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  Speaker 1: goes back to Houston, which I don't really see, but
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  Speaker 1: they still are the one team we know has had
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  Speaker 1: a year, one hundred and fifty six million dollar offer
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  Speaker 1: out there. So I know I'm not telling you much
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  Speaker 1: here that you don't know out there people who are
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  Speaker 1: listening because they've been following this. But it's just very
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  Speaker 1: curious to me that this is lingering, and it just
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  Speaker 1: demonstrates to me that he doesn't have what he wants.
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  Speaker 1: That's an obvious statement. But if he had what he wanted,
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  Speaker 1: he be in camp or be getting ready to go
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  Speaker 1: to camp by now, and that's not happening. So the
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  Speaker 1: question is does someone step up for six years those
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  Speaker 1: he will lent and sign a lesser deal in terms
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  Speaker 1: of length. I don't know the answers We're ultimately going
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  Speaker 1: to find out.
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  Speaker 2: Ken there's not a book on this, because we don't
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  Speaker 2: know every offer that's made and when, of course in baseball,
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  Speaker 2: But do you agree with the fact that generally, when
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  Speaker 2: we get to this time on the baseball calendar, you're
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  Speaker 2: not going to get serious increases on offers. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like that used to happen in more of the old
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  Speaker 2: school ownership front office days, but now they plug a
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  Speaker 2: number into a system and say this is our stance,
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  Speaker 2: this is what we would pay. If not, we're willing
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  Speaker 2: to walk. We're in spring training. The only case that
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  Speaker 2: pops up in my mind is more on the pitching side.
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  Speaker 2: Sure there can be a position player injury, but it's
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  Speaker 2: not as frequent. We're gonna get a ton of arm
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  Speaker 2: injury news over the next few weeks we always do.
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  Speaker 2: So to me, I'm like, Okay, Nick Povetta maybe has
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  Speaker 2: a chance to get a better offer than he got
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  Speaker 2: a couple months ago. I don't get it with Bregman,
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  Speaker 2: like is he waiting to.
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  Speaker 3: Get a call?
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  Speaker 2: We're like, all right, screw it, another year and another
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  Speaker 2: thirty mil we're in.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great point, Scott, and you're absolutely right about
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  Speaker 1: the way teams evaluate players. They set a value and
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  Speaker 1: rarely do they deviate from their value. Obviously there are
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  Speaker 1: exceptions to that. I don't believe the Mets had one
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  Speaker 1: so too set at seven hundred and sixty five million,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not sure the Diamondbacks had Corbyn Burns said
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  Speaker 1: at two ten. But at the same time Bregman obviously
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  Speaker 1: believes and his agents, Scott Boris obviously believes that they
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  Speaker 1: can do better than what they're getting right now, otherwise
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  Speaker 1: they would have signed. And the question here to me again,
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  Speaker 1: he had the six one fifty six from Houston, right
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  Speaker 1: in a state with no income tax. So if you're
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  Speaker 1: going to beat that, you're gonna have to be above
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  Speaker 1: that number over six years. And I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: he will be able to do that now, because you're right,
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  Speaker 1: it is pretty rare except in the case of Machadah
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  Speaker 1: and Harper that one year where you see teams throw
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  Speaker 1: out one hundred and fifty hundred and sixty seventy eighty
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  Speaker 1: million at this time of year when they've generally spent
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  Speaker 1: most of their money. So that is the question I'm
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  Speaker 1: seeing here. And ultimately, if he signs a bridge contract,
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  Speaker 1: he'll still have the chance to beat the sixty one
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  Speaker 1: fifty six over time, but it won't be necessarily, it
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  Speaker 1: won't be this year, So I don't know, Scott. It's
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  Speaker 1: a very curious one to me, And maybe once he
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  Speaker 1: signs it will all become clearer to us what was
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  Speaker 1: going on. But I'm having a hard time seeing how
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  Speaker 1: he beats the six one fifty six in present day dollars,
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  Speaker 1: tax dollars, all of that. It's just curious to me.
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  Speaker 4: It's curious to me is how a pitcher can show up,
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  Speaker 4: even a Hall of Fame future Hall of Fame pitcher
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: like Clayton Kershaw, can show up and just play catch
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: at Dodgers camp. And there's rumors that maybe he has
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: a contract. We get it, he always has the one
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: year contract. Had you ever heard of a player just
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: showing up and playing catch without a contract in camp, Well.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: It sounds like he's under agreement penny of physical. That's
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: exactly what's going on. Actually, So it's not as if
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: he's unsigned and a free agent. He's signed. He's just
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: got to pass his physical.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: It's all set.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Have I heard of this happening before where a guy
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: kind of just as there, No, But there are not
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: many Clayton kersh was out there, and it's a very
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: unusual situation. We knew if he came back, he was
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: coming back to only one team, and we knew he
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: wasn't I'm going to sign right away because he's not
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: coming back to play right away. It's going to be
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: some time before he's fully healthy. So you're right, Eric,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: it was definitely unusual what happened yesterday, him showing up
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: and then everyone learning that he indeed has an agreement
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: pending a physical. But because of the circumstances, that wasn't
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: at all surprised.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Ken. Thank you for the time. Enjoy camp. Some jealous
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: that you're there. FT will be out there soon in
• 17:26
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• 17:28
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• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Sounds great, guys, Thanks.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Thank you. That's e FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. If
• 17:35
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• 17:37
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• 17:45
  Speaker 2: back at FTFAM to go over some extension candidates in
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  Speaker 2: for life. I think I promised this segment for like
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  Speaker 2: ninety days. So here we go. In the Weeds contract
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: extension candidates Ten players who could ink new deals, plus
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: predictions of what they get. Mike Exist on cbssports dot
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Com wrote the article, I'm actually gonna list all of
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: the players. I'm just gonna go down the line on
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: names and then let's at least get to one from
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: each of you. Okay, So here's his top ten Junior Camonaro,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Garrett Crochet, Brendan Donovan, Logan, Gilbert Laddie Junior. Oops, I
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: just clicked out. There's your five. Hold on, let me
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: get a few more in here. Six is Michael King,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Stephen Kwan, Adley Rutchman, number nine Derek Scougle, and ten
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker. I don't know if they're ranked, so don't
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: quote me on that part, but those are the ten
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: aj who do you think really should work out a deal?
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: And I'm saying who like on the ownership side and
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: the player side.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Well to me too, stand out on there. One is
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: flat because the Blue Jays just need to sign him
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: for goodwill with their fans. Ends without a doubt, and
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: the other one is Scoobal because the Tigers need Schooble
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: more than Schooball.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Needs the Tigers.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: For me, I think because school if he hits the
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: free agent market, if he has another healthy year or two,
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: is going to just be ridiculous. So if you're the Tigers,
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: you got to go sign him now. He sall have
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: a chance. And for the blue Jays, they should have.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: They should have already had this done. I just think
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: that the Blue Jays need something good to happen to him,
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: and this would get the fans back excited that Hey,
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: the blue Jays really are going after I know they
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: have a high payroll, but they haven't won anything. They
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: haven't done really well. They're in a tough division, so
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: they need to show their fans. Hey, we're trying it.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: We're gonna build around Flatty Junior. I'm going to go
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: to two also, but I'm going to go one from
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: a team side, Junior Cameron Arrow. Junior Cameron Aro hasn't
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: lit up the world in the big leagues, and to me,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: this is from the team side. This is the time
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: to buy low by low. He may want more if
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: he has an All Star first hand, since you're going
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: to be giving him every day at bats so by
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: low get this extension done. From a player's side, the
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Red Sox and Garrett Crochet. Garrett Crochet is holding all
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: the chips. He is going to a team that did
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: not extend their superstar has one superstar. Endev's playing third base.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: His stock will never be higher. If he does the
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: exact same thing he did last year, it will be
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: the exact same to me. He signs an extension now,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: maybe buys up a year of his free agency, and
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: it allows him to have some certainty and pitch in
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: a city that can be tough if you don't do well.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of pressure on him. To me, Boston
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: will want to do it, and I think Crochet will
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: get the most money out of it.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, so here's the next layer of this game. I
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: actually want to pick some of your extension candidates and
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: throw the anal out there from this article. So let's
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: start with Crochet because you don't know how he is
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: going to be in a bigger pressurized environment, right. The
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: White Sox, you know, only had a few people at
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: the Games last year and they were happy to just
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: be within five runs. And also Crochet, of course, has
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: had injuries in his career now transitions to starters, so
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: he's a unique case. And obviously he's going to want
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: to be paid like an ace, which is what he
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: looked like when he was on the mount to start
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: games last year. So they threw out a six year
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: extension that pays him ten million dollars in twenty twenty six.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: That's his final arbitration year, so that lines up for
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: next year, and then twenty five million dollars per season
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: from twenty twenty seven to twenty thirty one, So I
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: get him a total of one hundred and thirty five
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: million dollars. They said, add an assigning bonus and the
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: buyout of an option year, so I guess one extra
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: year on top of that, and they could push the
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: game guaranteed money to one hundred and fifty million dollars.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: A reference point could be Pablo Lopez four year, seventy
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: three point five million dollar extension when he was at
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: the same service time level as Crochet, and we're tackling
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: on two years sixty million dollars on top of that.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Do you like that deal for both sides?
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: AJ?
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think I think, Uh I think Crochet
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: is going to want to say, hey, I've already been
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: hurt once and I want to go farther into it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I see it. I mean I see it.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: I see it from both sides. But I think he's
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: going to wait. I want to wait now. I can
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: see why he would want to wait. To me, I
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: don't want I don't want more than five years. If
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: I'm Crochet, I don't want more than five years, even
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: with the options. So if you want to have two
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: year options, give me three with two years options so
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: that I can go. Not saying he's gonna get hurt
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: during this time, saying he's going to have five years
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: and he's going to be hitting the free agent market
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: at thirty. We forget that he's twenty five years almost
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: twenty six years old.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Five years.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: He can still get a huge free agent contract five
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: six years, and that what guys are getting right now.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: And to me, that five year gives him some stuability,
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: but it also gives him, you know, an opportunity to
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: be in one place for a little while.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm grabbing that deal. You're right, you can get
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: another big deal. Teams will give big money to aces
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: in their thirties, and if he does stay healthy, then
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: you are proving that maybe you'd had less mileage on
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: your arm heading into your thirties. If you don't stay healthy,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: then you probably should have taken the extension and not
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: gotten to free agency because there could be a problem there.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: So I actually think this one makes a ton of sense.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the other thing for me, when chrouch' is talking
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: about caman Arow, I don't think it's going to happen
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: because the Raids are scared off by Wander not saying
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: they're the same person. But the Rays finally did it.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: They finally went big with their superstar guy they thought
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: they had in Wander Franco, and we haven't seen him
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: in years, and obviously he's having some legal problems. So
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: I think that's the one for me. You know, some
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: of these other names that we look at, you know,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Brendan Donovan and the Cardinals aren't really in that mode
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: right now. Logan Gilbert, the Mariners don't have any money.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: They keep telling us that. So yeah, with Crochet, would
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: that be a nice deal for Crochet? Yes, But I
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: think you know, he threw all his chips on the
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: table when he said he wouldn't be traded last year
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: unless he was signed to an extension. I think he
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: wants to just play it out. I think he feels good.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: I think he feels like he can be healthy, and
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: I think he's willing to take a bet on himself.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Let me run through Camonaro real quick. They said largest
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: contract given to a player with less than one full
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: year of service time Julio Rodriguez twelve years, two hundred
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: and ten million dollars. But that was August of his
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: rookie season, after being an All Star and was on
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: his way to Rookie of the Year. So Camonaro hasn't
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: put that together yet. If we're doing this now, they
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: said a more appropriate comp would be Corbyn Carrol eight years,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: one hundred eleven million dollars. Do you think Caminaro takes that?
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: They said eight one twenty to just for inflation and
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: eight years. Yeah, that gets you the comp of the
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: eight one eleven. You guys think he takes that.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: He's twenty one. He's still hitting free agency before he's thirty.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: That's a big it's a big number that that number thirty.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: If he's getting in six figures, if he's getting six figures,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: nine figures. If he's getting one hundred million plus, I
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: think he takes it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: What are you saying, what are you telling your client?
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I mean I'm telling your client if he's twenty one
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: years old, to take nine figures.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: You have to if they come to you. He can,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: you know he can.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: But I would like, here's what I would like him
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: to do. Get nine figures. Get that, but have an
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: opt out somewhere in there for six years or seven years.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: So let the club get there a year or two
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: of free agency. Then he can hit free agency again
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: at twenty seven or twenty eight years old, right, and
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: then you can try to cash in again. I think
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: that the club might not go for it, but that's
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: what I would be shooting for if I was his agent.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: What if the club says, no, you get the Carol
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: komp plus inflation, take it or leave it. We love
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: you to death, but if you want to play games
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: with us, we'll wait.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna think he takes it. I just don't think
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: the Rays might do it. I think the Rays is
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: a little scared right now.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's a good call. I mean, and
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: they're also figuring out their ballpark situation. One more, let's
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: finish bake.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: We don't in Orlando.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: There is money there. I agree with you. Most of
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: the other names on this list are not very realistic
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: for me, especially even Kyle Tucker. I mean, he's a
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: year away from free agency. I don't think the Couty
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: definitely everyone no, okay, but let's finish with Laddie here
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: and the comp that they put out there, because they
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: alluded to how in December they said the offer was
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: three forty and his camp was like, yeah, not even close.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: So they said thirteen year deal starting in twenty twenty six,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: forty five million a year, five hundred and eighty five
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: million dollars. And I guess they said, given the leverage
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: that Vladdie has over the Jays, it could even get
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: you fourteen years close to fifty million dollars per year.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, I love, I love the numbers for Laddie,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: but I also I'm wow. I mean, all I have
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: to say, I don't know what the number is, but
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: I know it has to be a record. If you're
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: signing Vladdie as an organization and as the player that
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: he is, the age that he is, it has to
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: be a record and you have to blow the record
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: away now for your team, for all of baseball, has
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: to be the biggest extension ever given out. So that's
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: where it starts. And three forty ain't it. Sorry, He's
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: he's got to get more.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: It makes it. It makes a huge impact.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: It makes a huge impact in the free agency they'll
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: get and their fan base showing that we might not
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: have a lot in the pipeline coming through, but we
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: still want to win with our superstar.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: He's not getting fourteen seven hundred, but I think forty
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: five a year to get you to five eighty five
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: is a number that he takes. I think he's got
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: to be in the mid five hundred to say no,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I'll take.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: I think you're right, but I mean we also, first
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: baseman don't get paid the way other positions do. So
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: that's the other problem he runs into is I know
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: he's a better player than Pete A. Lonzo, He's got
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: better things, but first baseman typically don't get played. It's
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: been outfielder, shortstops and starting pitchers that have been the
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: ones that have gotten paid. So first baseman, I don't know.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I hope he gets every dollar. But
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: I just don't know that it's I don't know if
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: the Bluegas are willing to go to the number that's
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: going to get it dumb. They need to for the
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: organization and for the fans there to have something to
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: look forward to for the next ten years.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I don't what if he wins the MVP, Well, then
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: they're in really too late.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's too late that.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if they don't give him something that's in the fives,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: he's going to free agency because I do think another
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: team will play ball at that rate, just based on
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: the star appeal, the age, the bat. They're going to say, hey,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: so do's a but you're not getting him for his love.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: What some reports.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Already say Boston loves him and they're just waiting for him.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I think the Yankees would be involved. I think there'll
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: be enough teams involved, not many, but three or four
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: that would be involved. Obviously Toronto would still be trying
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: to keep him too, and pressure, I mean Washington should.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: It would be such a good fit for them. They
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: need a first baseman, but a long term first baseman. Anyway,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Let's get back their oars.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Who the Nats? Yeah, yeah, but they could do that
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: now them for much less. Yeah, you could do both.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: You could do both. Okay, fine,