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Brett Keane Reviews Matt Powell VS Mr.Jones1972 Debate · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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All right, 10 9 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Brett Keen from God TV
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radio. I hope you're all having a
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blessed day out there. We've got mr.
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Jones, 1972, and meant Powell with us.
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We've got a concept. An email that Matt Hal gave.
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He says he wants to do 10-minute openings eight-minute,
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rebuttals. 30-minute open discussion, five-minute closing
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statements, and perhaps a Q&A. How do you feel about that mr.
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Jones. Absolutely fine your call it
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that? Yeah.
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All right. If you would like to, you can
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start. If you want to, you have 10
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minutes to do your opening right, time.
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Can I Nice screen account. I think about it.
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I recorded a 10-minute while about seven minute opening
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statement yesterday. So let's see how this goes.
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I got a sec. Whoop.
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Matt, is it okay if we wait until he shares and then start
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this time? Sure.
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No problem. Alrighty.
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Thoughts. Again.
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We go share screen video, file. Okay, we go.
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All right, let's see what we got here.
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This isn't going to be some nasty stuff, is it?
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No, is meets all came and couple of photos and I have credited
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for toes on internet. The first one, I think that my
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knowledge, Yeah, it was everything ready.
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Well, it's Sharon on the screen, you're given a wonderful smile.
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All right, all right, I am I'm cocky.
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Hey, that's my buddy. Aaron, Ron the background over
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there. Hey, Shin is extremely limited.
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I don't have never claimed to be I don't know why it's jumping a
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base of it. Although experts on the subject
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nor have I claimed to have studied the subject to any, I
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don't like exposing, I'm awfully.
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Sorry. Why is it palsy?
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I have no idea perhaps it's because you're running your
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video and running that at the same time it can be tough.
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I was trying to fix it if not what sort of what sort of the
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bash at this. Now I gotta warn you both $5 for
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textbooks or tears. I got damn standard in light of
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this step. It's not real work.
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Is it? I don't think.
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When Revelation, I must put my hands on.
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Put my trust in the hands of the experts.
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It's not the rabbit is it? Yeah, it looks like it's having
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a rough time there. We have an idea of what it is
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that you were wanting to talk about their mr.
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Jones. Yep.
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I'm still got me a bit of a script written down.
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I have nothing to my computer's Frozen.
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I don't believe this, I don't know. so, I'll stop sharing and
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then I'll just stamp What the heck?
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Oh boy. No, in the beginning bastard.
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Well, we're still here for you there.
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Mr. Jones. We do love you.
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Thank you. And I'm just going to block
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Okay, he's going to have to probably refresh and get that
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going. So how's your day been, how's
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the family? It's been good man.
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Too blessed to be stressed been pretty busy.
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I didn't have a lot of time to prepare for this discussion, so
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hopefully it goes. Well, I pretty much have a, an
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idea of what he's going to try to argue.
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He wanted to do like a discussion.
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Yes, we wanted it. Initially wanted to debate.
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Date on the subject of did dinosaurs for himself to death
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monkeys, surfing from Africa, to South America, 34 million years
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ago. And so, I'm looking forward to
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it. Looking forward to what he has
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to say. But I've been well man, how
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about you? I just don't understand what the
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problem with the surfing monkeys.
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The seems to make logical sense that a monkey can surf and
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seaweed for 1,000 miles of the ocean with sharks and water and
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everything. But absolutely, yeah, that's
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funny that. Yeah, that is what that what
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that is. What one of them said was that
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the monkeys actually served on seaweed across the oceans.
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I thought that was pretty interesting, but I guess I guess
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we'll see what mr. Jones has to say.
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That was what he wanted to challenge me on.
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So looking forward to it. Well, he may have to go through
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a whole reloading of his computer and all that, why?
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Wait a minute, oh, There he is. Hey, how you are?
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Welcome back. Let me show this video file
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again. Am I audible to Adore?
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You sound great. Loud and clear.
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All right. Shall we give them the time
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again? Or how?
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How do we handle this? It's up to you guys.
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You can see me and hear me. So I'll just go ahead and click
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this and see if it works. Um, constructing it that my
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knowledge. Age of evolution is extremely
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Limited. Mr. Jones, never claimed to be
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an expert on the subject nor have I cleanse.
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Come on, baby. Come on.
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So are you trying to kid? My advice would probably be to
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like, download the video and play it a fling Revelation.
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I must put my hands on. Put Mr. Jones, my here in the
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hands of the experts. Matthew Jones?
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Can you hear us, right? Am I starting Audible?
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And let's let's try this. If possible.
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It's okay, take your time. No problem.
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I don't believe this. Oh yeah.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, please be patient with this.
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We're doing the best we can. Oh yes.
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Oh yes. All right.
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Am I audible to everyone? Yes, we can hear you good, good
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good right after reading a woman stands, I'm awfully Sorry video
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for one thing or another isn't playing, so my opening
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statement. No, I am the first to admit that
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my knowledge of evolution is extremely limited.
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I have never claimed to be an expert on the subject, not of, I
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claimed to have studied the subject to any academic standard
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in light of this startling Revelation, I must put my trust
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in the hands of the experts and list evidence that has convinced
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me. That evolution is true and
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scientifically accurate. I say this with absolute
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confidence, Isaiah found no evidence to explain how life
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evolved other than the theory of evolution.
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My first piece of evidence is Transitional fossils and
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probably the best and most famous disease of these is your
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tricks. I did have some slides but I'm
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not going to risk putting slides up a genus of Burbank, dinosaurs
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that lived between 150 and 125 million years ago in the early
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Typhon Ian stage in the late Jurassic Period.
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David paleontologist view Archaeopteryx.
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As a transitional fossil between dinosaurs and modern Birds.
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I did have a slide but again, I'm not going to list it.
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Hey, I think we know the actual text and modern birds are
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related. Well, feathers, for instance,
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Wings the furcula, which is a wishbone and reduce and reduce
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fingers are all characteristics of modern Birds.
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Again, I did have an image in conclusion.
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There are enough similarities between Archaeopteryx of money.
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Us to convince paleontologists that they are indeed related.
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Another example of a transitional species is
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pakicetus. We do know through fossil
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records at pakicetus once walked on land but how is it related to
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modern day? Whales pakicetus was discovered
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in Pakistan, lived During the eocene period, approximately 50
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million years ago and although it primarily primarily was this
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life on land, it is leat as a whale relative through its
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unique inner ear shape, only whales Have such an unfair
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Advantage. Enhanced region of the are cold
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and auditory bulla and pakicetus had this to this image Etc.
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I did have an image and it shows the evolution of pakicetus to
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whale and a bit more detail. And I've always the credited,
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the source of David as well. Also, as before, that is enough
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evidence to convince paleontologists that pakicetus
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is indeed the answer ancestor of modern, dear whales now, onto
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why I wanted to have this discussion with mountain and
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thank you, Matt for accepting no on to why I really wanted this
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debate stroke discussion. Matt Powell's claims that
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Evolution teaches that dinosaurs fatter themselves into
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Extinction. It is my opinion that this is
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simply not the case and I will show evidence well I can't you
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ever deserve a minute and one of these sightings isn't one of his
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citations is a woman in addressing game that we don't
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know the name of and simply say that dinosaur flatulence cause
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an ice age and that's why they died out now.
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Does this woman have a name? But Sharon qualifications, I
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honestly don't know what going on camera and simply saying,
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dinosaurs gas themselves. To death is not good enough for
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me. I could make a video right now.
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I couldn't address you guys right now and say a unicorn has
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just flown past my window. It doesn't make it true.
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Another citation that my good friend.
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Liam. Uphold uses is a clip from a
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news. That's reads an article from Fox
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News. Now the three bitches scientists
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in question you and Gene is BET dr.
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Graham ruxin from st. Andrews University, in court
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researcher. David Wilkinson from Liverpool.
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John Moores University. Did write a paper on dinosaur
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emissions in quotation marks, but nowhere in that paper, does
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it claim that dinosaurs this caused the extinction of the
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dinosaurs? I was going to read a summary of
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that paper, but I won't do it, but in the summary It doesn't
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mention dinosaur extinction. Another citation that Matt uses
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is a kid's cartoon. No, I can't find the original
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clip but I did manage to find a video.
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Several seconds longer than the clip that Matt uses in those
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Mystics missing s. It implies that that cartoon is
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part of a longer video and the first segment is just part of
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one part of that video. It lists many different reasons
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of why the dinosaurs died out and fighting dinosaurs.
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Apparently number 63, a screenshot Adama can't use it
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and do to do, 'and on the image that I was going to show, I've
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credited Nick the T-Rex Nick the T-Rex is YouTube channel on this
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channel. It shows lots of reasons.
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Why the dinosaurs died out one example or one video shows a
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dinosaur on a trapeze Crazy. So it's clear that none of these
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sort of gold theories should be taken.
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Seriously now onto the final reason why I wanted this
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discussion to happen and surfing monkeys think.
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One of our favorite topics fossilized teeth of the UK UK or
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Pittacus monkey were found in Peru.
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The teeth from a newly discovered species belonging to
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an extinct family of African primates known as parapet
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artist. Fossils discovered earlier at
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the same site in Peru offer the first proof, let's save the
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Monica, monkeys evolved from African primates.
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So how did they get from Africa to South America?
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The theory is is that they got the on floating masses of land,
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not graphs, logs are lots of seaweed and because I'm dying.
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I do agree with Matt. The idea sounds impossible and a
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bit Daft. So they got to save America in
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my opinion on enormous. Landmasses.
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I was going to show a video of the Panama Canal where an
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enormous landmass is floating down with trees and vegetation
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and the trees are still up right now with millions of years ago.
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The seas are a lot lower continents, are a bit close
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together and with favorable, currents and winds, there's no
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doubt in my mind that they couldn't have made that journey
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across the Atlantic. And as you can see, did you do
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40 months, right? No, because And lots of what I
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just said. And I think that it seems
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plausible that ancient Monk Is made the journey from Africa to
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South America. This concludes my opening
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statement and I can't do it. All right, man.
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Are you able to did you hear what he was saying?
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Yep. Loud and clear.
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You ready for your opening? Sounds, good to me.
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All right, mr. Jones, if you could be, so kind,
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would you be able to mute your mic that way?
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We don't hear the papers moving around the mic.
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Well, I just want to say thanks to mr.
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Jones for entertaining, sending an invitation for a discussion
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on this matter. Definitely looking forward to
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seeing how it's going to pan out.
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So the Bible says, prove all things hold fast to that which
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is good. So the Bible commands us to hold
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fast to the things that are good and true, and right, and to
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prove all things. And so in order for something to
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be science, it has to be demonstratable testable and
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provable. Let's just talk a minute about
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this whole dinosaur sweating. Also that theory right?
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I don't believe this Theory. I don't really know of anybody
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who does other than some people online that are obviously a
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little out there. But people are actually
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promoting this today. That dinosaurs actually tooted
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warm the planet and then they died from global warming.
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So because people have decided to believe this because people
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have decided to teach stuff like this.
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Therefore I'm going to point it out and it point out why it's
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absurd. I don't believe that Dinosaurs
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part of themselves to death but some Evolutionists are out
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there, proclaiming that dinosaurs.
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And of course this one guy says, well Matt you've misrepresented
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us, we believe they tooted, he said and it warm the planet that
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sounds even more crazy. Okay, so let's check out some of
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these people that actually claim this right Source may have gas.
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Station. Problem dinosaurs did Park
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themselves into Extinction, all their greenhouse gases that
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cause climate change and part of their way to extension.
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I think, what's important here is actually that this once and
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for all proves that the Creation Museum in Kentucky is wrong
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because if dinosaurs were actually fighting that much Adam
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and Eve would not have been that close to them hanging out.
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So I just wanted. So these people are claiming
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that the creationists are wrong that because dinosaurs past so
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much gas that Warm the environment and they died from
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the global warming and mr. Jones, and his video series
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called me. A bunch of names made a bunch of
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add homonyms and I appreciate none of the ad hominem is coming
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to this debate and we'll try to keep it that way, but it just
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amazes me that this guy points this out and he takes such issue
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with me over this claim that dinosaurs front of themselves to
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death. Why are people taking issue with
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me over it? I'm actually combating that
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fiery. Telling people that it is
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ridiculous and saying that certain people are teaching us
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and of course People are saying well, you're a lying.
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Matt, nobody says that dinosaurs farted themselves to death.
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This people all over the place saying that I'm just pointing
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out the absurdity of the supposed Theory.
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And of course, there's a scientific paper about how
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climate change, how the dinosaurs sauropods and
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particular warmed, the environment, and then died from
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the global warming. It doesn't say that in the
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paper, the paper itself says that certain Extinction of
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certain megafauna was contributed to methane levels
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being too low. So in the paper, the paper
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itself does mention Extinction. Now, let's talk a little bit
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about what actually made the dinosaurs go extinct according
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to Evolution and that was the asteroid strike in the Yucatan
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Peninsula, south of the goal of Gulf of Mexico.
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The chicks a loop asteroid. Here's the problem with that,
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this, asteroid that you spoke of in your videos, mr.
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Jones. Two thousand miles away from
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heart of the Kill Zone. The heart of where all these
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dinosaurs are found catastrophically buried in
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sediment. By the way is 2,000 miles from
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the Yucatan Peninsula. So the chicxulub asteroid, I
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believe that there was an asteroid that struck the
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peninsula but it was a miss two thousand miles away.
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You're going to tell me that asteroid that struck two
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thousand miles away from a bunch of dinosaurs is what caused
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their death. Give me a break, but this is
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stuff that you're saying in your videos.
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Now I want to go ahead and just answer a couple of these
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misrepresentations that you brought up in the beginning.
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You said well I don't know much about Evolution but what I You
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know, is that there are transitional fossils.
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Hold on a second. Stephen Gould himself said that
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there are no missing links. The whole chain is missing.
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So, Stephen Jay Gould, who is a professional in theory?
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You say I trust the professionals.
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That's what the professional say.
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There are no missing links. The whole chain is missing.
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There are no missing links, that's why they're defined as
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the missing links because they are missing.
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And if we are supposedly able to find transitional fossils, we
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should find more transitional fossils than the actual kinds of
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fossils that we find that the species we should see a clear.
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Projected, a clear speciation from Australopithecus afarensis,
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Lucy all the way up to Cro-Magnon, man, and peeking
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man. And then all of a sudden you've
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got humans at the end of this line.
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You know, and here's the thing, even if we Grant it, even if I
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grant that, there are homologous structures, that there are
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transitional fossils. Homologous structures are no
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problem for creationism. I have no problem saying that.
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There are certain things that could appear as a transition
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because we build and homologous patterns.
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And God himself of were made in the image of God.
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He probably would have done the same thing built Creation in
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homologous patterns, that's why we share DNA with certain
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animals. It doesn't mean we descended
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from those animals. It means that we are all made up
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of the same material DNA stuff. That is vital for life.
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So in the center of the United States, I'm going to kind of go
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for the jugular here, we find the dinosaur Peninsula.
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Now, in the dinosaur, Peninsula contains thousands and thousands
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of dinosaur. Graveyards.
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Now Within These dinosaur, graveyards are thousands of
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dinosaurs. And in particular, we find a
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million square miles of dinosaurs that were
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catastrophically buried. Let me ask.
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You a question, folks? What would cause a million
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square miles of land to get buried catastrophically?
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And for dinosaurs to be buried in Annex fixated position.
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The only way to explain that is Noah's flood.
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These dinosaurs died, Annex fixated positions.
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They were choking on mud as the water was coming in and burying
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them and sediments, they neck the Arts are next back.
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This is a T-Rex fossil of a T-Rex that died under 50 feet of
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sediment and it had suffocated to death.
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There is no other way to explain these fossils than the flood of
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Noah. Now, people can try to argue
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against the flood of Noah. They can try to say that.
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It's not a fact, there's nothing more than a fairytale.
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I heard one guy say, oh, this is so crazy.
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If you think that the Earth could be flooded.
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Look, we live on, what's known as the water Planet?
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Hello 71% of the earth is currently covered by water.
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So to say, oh, it's so superstitious to think that
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there could have been a global flood, that's just absolutely
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false. So I just want to point that out
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and one of the reasons that we That these dinosaurs were buried
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in the recent past is because they contain soft materials
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inside the bones. In fact There are 16 types of
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bio organic materials that should have degraded if D time
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Evolution were true, 16 types, histones blood cells, blood
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vessels hemoglobin in the blood cells.
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You're going to try to say that Iron Cross linking could
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preserve this for 65 million years, that's absolutely false.
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Absolutely false on absolutely every level we know that
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dinosaurs live recently because of bio organic material that
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would have biodegraded over the Deep time of millions of years.
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I'm not saying all this to come off as some arrogant person or
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something. I know that I speak in a way
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that is just very straightforward and to the
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point. But I would rather offend people
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with the truth than Comfort them with some butter to over
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message. Okay.
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This is the truth. We find over 16 types of bio,
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organic materials skin, pigments blood cells, blood vessels.
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We even find histones inside of dinosaur bones.
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You can't tell me that this lasted for 65 million years
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evidence doesn't lie. And buy organic material will
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always degrade over time. We find plant life inside of
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dinosaurs contained perfectly preserved inside of dinosaur.
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Stomachs even again, is this stuff going to last for 65
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million years? You have to ask yourself that.
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Now, the column that he was appealing to in his opening
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statement is known as the geologic column and they say
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that we all evolved from a sponge and that over time over
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generations and variations of change in allele frequencies
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that we all the sudden became human.
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So you go from the To you the zoo to you and so forth.
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Well, the problem with that is that this geologic column, if
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you have to look closely at the Rock layers, you can tell they
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were all laid down in one events.
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It's not that there was slow long periods of time as these
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layers were getting laid down and the reason that we know that
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is because these bent Rock layers, Brett, how much time do
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I have left? We have a few more minutes.
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Cool. So if you look at the pictures
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here that I have up on my screen, these are bent Rock.
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Now, what happens if you try to bend hard rock, it will break
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according to Evolution these mountains, slowly formed via
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slope and gradual plate, tectonic shifts.
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Well, if that were the case, these rocks would be better with
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not be bent, they would be crumbled.
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Rock you cannot bend Hard Rock yet.
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We find perfectly bent hard, rock all across the world in
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these mountain, in these mountain ranges.
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This is just great evidence that these were all laid down and
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then plate tectonics, push them up and then they lithified
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together all those layers in one event.
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In another reason that we know that you can see beautiful
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photos here of these bent Rock layers, we have trees connecting
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all of the layers. You can't tell me that these
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layers were slowly laid down over millions of years.
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In the Paleozoic Mesozoic can argue, zoa cages, mr.
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Powell. This is all absolutely
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falsified, absolutely false. And this would wipe out the
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whole idea that we evolved from a sponge as well via
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transitional fossils that they can't even name.
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One, you refer to Archaeopteryx Archaeopteryx and what's the
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other one? There's Archaeopteryx.
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There's also there's also one that they refer to for land to
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land to sea animals. Look, you should be finding
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hundreds of thousands, you to be finding millions of transitional
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fossils. Lucy.
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I believe was a fossil that was found scattered of a bunch of
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different fragments scattered. Over a 200 mile area are two
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mile area and hit. They put it together.
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They could even tell what it was but they just concluded.
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This must be the ancestor of all humans.
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Absolutely false Back on track here.
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You know, we find these polystrate fossils, we find
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whales on mountains, look, this wipes away, the geologic column
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The will is perfectly preserved on top of this California
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mountain here. For example, we find clams in
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the closed position on top of Mount, Everest, 29,000 feet
26:24
above sea elevation. Look, this is absolute proof
26:28
that these things were varied catastrophically because the
26:30
clams were closed and pushed up through the mountain through
26:33
catastrophic plate tectonic, movements that had to be
26:37
catastrophism, identical amounts of c14 and all these coal seams,
26:41
c14 only bass 50,000 years the half-life of 5730 years.
26:45
And if it was truly this Decay rate that they say and truly the
26:50
ages that they say, there would be no c14 and these bottom
26:53
layers. But yet, they all registered to
26:55
statistically the same amount of c14 we find C 14 in dinosaur
27:00
bones as well as, you know, just collagen hemoglobin in the blood
27:04
blood cells, anybody who believes that those things would
27:07
last for 65 million years, you'd have to be golub all folks.
27:11
And I'll end with this point when the across to the Earth was
27:15
broken up like an eggshell and subduction rapid plate tectonics
27:19
was going on. We would predict that certain of
27:22
the crust of the Earth would be subducted into the mantle and of
27:25
course, would cause catastrophic plate tectonics and create the
27:28
mountains that we see today, but one of the things that I'd like
27:32
mr. Jones you to notice, is that we
27:33
find Cold, slabs of rock that sink 500 miles down into Earth's
27:38
hot, molten mantle that have not heated up yet.
27:41
Slow and gradual plate. Tectonics was what caused those
27:43
rocks to get there. They would have been uniform
27:45
with the temperature in the ground.
27:46
This is 5,000 degree, molten rock yet.
27:48
There's 10 Mile, thick pieces of cold, rock down in the mantle of
27:52
the Earth. You can't tell me that slow and
27:57
gradual geologic, change, and uniformitarianism is the answer
28:00
naturalism never did any good for science.
28:03
Catastrophism is what best explains.
28:05
Geology catastrophism is what best explains the past.
28:09
And so, the present is not the key to the past, my friends, the
28:12
key to the past, the key to the present is actually the past.
28:17
And so, with that being said, I think I should close out but of
28:21
course, they'll say, well, let's give our side mat.
28:23
What about Side. Okay, here's your side.
28:25
Here's how you date rocks. You determine the age of the
28:29
fossils. The rocks by.
28:31
Look at this World Book Encyclopedia this is the age of
28:34
the Rocks. May be determined by the fossils
28:35
found in them, but you determine the age of the fossils by
28:38
finding out the age of which the rocks and which they lie.
28:42
So you need the fossils by the Rocks, rocks by the fossils,
28:44
circular arguments. Absolutely indefensible.
28:47
Surfing monkeys. What's your evidence that these
28:50
monkeys surfed across their, you found a fossilized tooth fossils
28:53
mean, catastrophic, Burial. And how are monkeys going to
28:57
survive in nine hundred, mile Journey back when the continents
29:00
were closer. Even that still 900 miles with
29:02
no, freshwater sharks in the water, currents, that somehow
29:06
took them across when currents. Take you up or down, it's an
29:10
indefensible position and I think that that should be
29:14
pointed out and made very abundantly, clear, God bless All
29:18
right, ladies and gentlemen, the next section that we're going to
29:21
be working on here is 30 minute. Open discussion.
29:27
What were we going to do? Cross or not cross-examination
29:29
but Rebels own rebuttals so eight-minute.
29:32
Rebuttals. Okay, I was looking at how you
29:35
had it categorized that 10-minute openings eight-minute
29:38
rebuttals 30-minute open discussion, or do you want to go
29:42
straight to rebuttals? Let's do rebuttals.
29:49
Rebuttal, sounds good. Okay.
29:56
Evolution teaches teaching die, no fats.
29:59
No, I didn't learn that, it's cool.
30:01
My children didn't learn that at school.
30:02
I don't know any school. That teaches down or fats as
30:06
part of why the dinosaurs died out?
30:10
I can always find stuff like that on YouTube.
30:13
It's not in any schools that I've ever seen before are any
30:15
colleges are in the universities.
30:18
I never said that. You believe that dinosaurs fact
30:21
themselves to death. I said that's You said Evolution
30:24
teaches. I did mention the paper and it
30:28
doesn't mention dinosaur extinction at all.
30:32
I mention Meteorites. Yeah the massive meteorite if
30:39
you remember the Chernobyl disaster back in the 80s that
30:42
covered thousands and thousands of miles.
30:44
So in my mind an asteroid hitting the planet will affect
30:49
something, thousands of miles away and will kick up a lot of
30:52
dust pickup a lot of iridium and it will block out the skull.
30:56
And that's that's the asteroid Theory which was on the same
30:59
page as a book that you courted. Dinosaur Peninsula.
31:07
As I understand it. That's a creationist invention,
31:12
asphyxiated dinosaurs. Yes.
31:14
That could be one of the, one of the things is why the dance
31:17
halls diodes is a few or several massive, volcanic eruptions, or
31:25
obviously a meteor hit the earth.
31:29
The and that words were asphyxiated - lies if it blocks
31:34
out the Sun. It's up a lot of dust.
31:36
The dust comes down, shocks, all the dinosaurs, and that's okay,
31:39
that's a they could have died, but the honest answer is we just
31:43
don't know, science doesn't get as many We got about three or
31:53
four minutes, then I'm hearing a lot of evolution bashing.
31:56
I'm not hearing a lot of God did this and here's the proof and
32:01
here's the evidence that God did it.
32:03
I'm just hearing a lot of evolution bashing you mentioned,
32:07
Lucy Australopithecus afarensis know about a million years
32:10
before that was added. The I considered the earliest
32:15
human of the earliest human ancestors human ancestors as
32:20
well. Before when the tonic plates
32:26
collided. Well, so many things comes on
32:53
mountains before the mountains formed the could have died sank
32:56
to the bottom when they, when they got buried under sediments
32:59
from Rock and when they play it collided and the mountains that
33:03
would have pushed the fossils up to the top of the mountains,
33:07
fossils dating, yes, radiometric, dating.
33:10
I don't know much about it. Sometimes fossils are dated
33:13
within the rocks that the founding, but sometimes Elsword
33:16
are fossils completely on their own using radiometric dating.
33:21
Seem to have a problem with circular reasoning and God said
33:24
he did everything in six days. Where does it say this?
33:27
It says in the Bible is the Bible the word of God.
33:30
Yes it is again that seems like circular reason to me and that's
33:36
I think that's the end of my rebuilt.
33:38
Thank you. All right.
33:40
Doc mayor and some wood Matt thanks for thanks for accepting
33:44
or thanks for agreeing to do this.
33:47
Sure thing. Yeah.
33:49
So actually I'm going to just answer your stuff real quick and
33:51
then I'm actually just going to continue this.
33:53
So let's see, schools don't say this.
33:57
Yeah, I never said in this debate that school Earnest
33:59
discussion of schools are out there teaching that to people,
34:01
never said that about the dinosaurs farting themselves to
34:06
death. Let's see that this asteroid you
34:09
said that this asteroid would kick up a lot of dust and that's
34:12
how they got buried was exhausting and maybe some
34:15
vulcanism included. Well, I'm sorry, they're buried
34:17
with sea life, their braids with Crustaceans, their varied with
34:21
fish. They're buried in mud
34:23
sedimentary rock. So they were buried in the mud
34:29
that killed them. The mud that was washed up and
34:31
let me ask you a question, folks, what would cause a wave
34:35
to Encompass the entire United States or at least half of the
34:39
United States? What kind of catastrophic events
34:43
would be able to do that and very those dinosaurs with sea
34:46
life with crustacean? So, that's what you're leaving
34:48
out. Yes, you're taking certain
34:51
things that are accurate. Account is, was it?
34:53
Volcanism? Absolutely.
34:54
There is widespread volcanism during the flood.
34:57
So, of course, we would expect some of that to play into there,
35:00
as well, but the fact that you find sea life in there is kind
35:03
of the Dead Giveaway that it wasn't just some, asteroids,
35:06
striking up a little bit of dust.
35:08
And that, that's how they went extinct, though, they were
35:11
buried with sea creatures. They were buried in the center
35:14
of the United States and they were buried in the heart of a
35:18
Kill Zone via choking on. Mud choking on the mud that
35:25
Barry that buried them. And so, like I said, the expects
35:28
you to positions along with the sea life and Crustaceans that
35:32
are buried with them and fish, it's dead giveaway.
35:35
And then also you mentioned radiometric dating.
35:39
I mean, that was one of the last things that you mentioned
35:41
radiometric, Isotopes can be created in a lab and the next
35:44
day they date as millions of years old.
35:47
So it's radiometric dating. True.
35:49
Absolutely. Not.
35:50
Radiometric dating is 100% false In fact in 1980 Mount st.
35:54
Helens erupted and it created. Igneous lava, that flowed down
35:58
the side of the mountain and when it hits lithified, some
36:01
scientists took in ten years after it had lithified, they
36:05
sense The Rock samples, five different Rock samples to five
36:09
different, Laboratories known as the jiah Khan Laboratories, all
36:11
of our best and the ages that they came back with were
36:15
astounding. The first rock came back is 340
36:18
thousand years old. Now keep in mind, this is Rock
36:21
that's less than 10 years old. It was radiometrically dated the
36:24
second sample came back as 350,000 years old, one sample
36:28
came back as 900,000 years old one sample actually came back as
36:31
7 million years old. Remember this is the the method
36:36
that mr. Jones here, just referenced as
36:38
being reliable method to date the crust of the earth.
36:41
Absolutely false. That last sample came back and
36:43
that study as 2.8 million years old.
36:45
No rock of known age has ever been dated accurately.
36:48
So if we can't rely on radiometric, dating to tell us
36:51
the actual dates of rocks of known age, rocks that have
36:54
lithified in the recent past that we've seen, how can we
36:58
trust him for rocks of unknown age?
37:00
Okay, and then number two, you're assuming that when The
37:03
Rock solidified, that there, No daughter elements present in the
37:05
Rock. You're assuming that there was
37:07
no contamination, you're consuming that the rate of Decay
37:10
has always been the same as it was in the past as it was in the
37:13
present. So, you're assuming all of these
37:16
things I'm sorry. Science is not based on
37:18
assumptions. Science is based on facts
37:21
statistics that which we've demonstrated to be true.
37:24
So I could not honestly even consider radiometric dating
37:27
because there are so many false assumptions that go into it,
37:30
that completely falsify it, like I said, you can create new
37:33
radiometric Isotopes in A lab in the next day, they date.
37:35
As millions of years old, brand new isotopes.
37:41
So if we could reach your my screen one more time, guys, I'm
37:45
just going to continue this. So that answer is pretty much
37:47
all the falsehoods that you just spoke here and this is Miss
37:51
information. I feel like I have to deal with
37:53
this because this is Miss information that constantly gets
37:56
brought up, you didn't address that.
37:57
Monkeys are freshwater animals, they could not drink salt.
38:01
Water would have killed them even pz Myers when he responded
38:04
to me on this matter. He said look, he said these
38:08
monkeys must have been so thirsty.
38:09
Getting off. The raft that cell at South
38:12
America, they must have been thirsty and hungry even pz Myers
38:15
knew that they are not saltwater animals.
38:17
They are freshwater animals. It was salt water back, 34
38:20
million years ago so you have to justify them.
38:22
Surviving over, I believe 50 days without any water with
38:27
sharks in the water and you got on video and said, surfing
38:31
monkeys surfing dinosaurs Matt, it's perfectly plausible.
38:36
My friend Sometimes I I don't know quite how to deal with
38:44
stuff like this. These theories that are out
38:47
there but I do my best to bring my opposition.
38:52
You know, there's one guy who said that they were after Don
38:54
seaweed that sounds even more crazy and I know that's not your
38:56
position. But let's get back on track
38:58
here. Let's talk about some actual
38:59
legitimate science. Now according to your model
39:03
takes 10,000 years to get a fossil to form yet we find
39:05
fossilized ripples of water. Now keep in mind, surface area,
39:09
smooth out very quickly is Surface area of water.
39:12
Ripples going to sit there in the ground for 10,000 years
39:15
waiting to be fossilized? Really let that sink in.
39:18
We find W of fossilized raindrops, we find fossilized
39:23
tracks. Again, these surface areas had
39:25
to be buried. So quickly and protected so
39:28
quickly in order to be preserved and if I'm incorrect on this, I
39:32
am compelled by reason to change my position.
39:35
See, that's the difference between me and evolution.
39:37
If I'm wrong, I can change. If something with evolution is
39:40
wrong, it's protected by law and cannot be thought outside of
39:43
within the classroom, if you do think outside of it, you will
39:47
get mods. You will get ridiculed, you'll
39:49
lose your funding. People say you're in this for
39:51
the money, Matt, false. If I wanted to be popular, I
39:53
could come out as an atheist tomorrow.
39:55
You know, one of these non-believers and declare their
39:58
I don't think there is a God. I lack belief in God and make a
40:01
bunch of money. Once people support me, Now
40:04
here's how your model that I'm not sure if you're aware of this
40:07
explains these tracks that are fossilized.
40:10
They actually expect us to believe in the evolution
40:13
timeline that these dinosaurs Dove down into the water and
40:17
that their Footprints didn't get smoothed out by the water.
40:22
Sometimes I just feel like I don't even know what to say.
40:26
Look, it's like me going back to my childhood lake Lake Superior
40:33
and looking for tracks that I had made when I was five,
40:35
they're not going to be there, they would have smoothed out,
40:37
but they expect you to believe in this textbook here.
40:40
That those tracks did not get smoothed out by the water.
40:42
But they did. You just slowly sat there and
40:43
fossilized false your model also says it Rodin's cross out the
40:47
landing. The reason I'm pointing these
40:48
things out. Is because we we are comparing
40:53
two models here were created. Were comparing the creation
40:55
model to the evolution model. You have to prove why creation
40:59
is false. That's what science does is we
41:00
falsify certain theories. We're in this to falsify things.
41:04
I'm not here to prove creation to you, although I could very
41:07
easily whether you accept it or not, you said you're not
41:09
presenting any proof of creation, okay, here's some
41:11
proof right now. The fact that time space and
41:13
matter is here right now is proof that God exists.
41:16
The fact that you and I are able to have this conversation is
41:19
proof that God The fact that matter and energy is around us,
41:21
is proof that God exists or it's proof that nothing cause damage,
41:26
nothing cause nothing to explode or expand, as you guys like to
41:29
say, which is just a hermeneutical game to make it
41:31
sound a little better and then expanded into everything that we
41:34
have today. Either nothing cause the
41:37
explosion, the beginning or somebody created everything in
41:41
the beginning. If there is no God, that means
41:43
nothing would have had to cause nothing to explode.
41:45
Look, evolution is defined as change in allele frequencies
41:51
over time. The sent with inherent
41:53
modification. Look these modifications that
41:55
were seeing even today are deleterious, mutation is even
41:59
deleterious by the very definition of what it even is.
42:02
So this is information that we need to make sure to give Clear
42:07
examples of. We didn't make sure to leave no
42:09
rock or stone unturned. How much time do I have left?
42:11
Are we pretty much at the end here?
42:15
Mr. Jones, do you feel that you have anything to say about what
42:19
he has said and if you want to also come back with whatever he
42:23
says it's okay Tango guys. So are we doing a 30-minute open
42:28
discussion at this point, it's up to you guys.
42:33
Really what would you like to have happen here?
42:37
I'm easy. The way I will work around
42:40
anything. I guess let's just go into the
42:42
open discussion. Thunder, I just like to ask.
42:48
It's not. So Evolution doesn't disprove
42:51
creation, evolution. Is like you said, its descent
42:56
with inherent genetic modification, it really couldn't
42:59
give a monkey's what creation does or if creation exists and
43:04
I'm still here in a lot of evolution bashing, but I'm not
43:07
hearing any well, I heard your version of what of God's your
43:14
God's existence and that's time-space of matter.
43:18
But couldn't any God of created that, or is it just your God?
43:23
So are you conceding that there's a there's a possibility
43:25
for God right there. Now, I did Once in a discussion
43:28
with Brett Kane. But then I've read up on the
43:31
read up on everything and I still maintain that.
43:35
The Big Bang Theory is the best explanation of how the universe
43:39
yet but are new to put. Are you saying that it's
43:41
possible that God created the universe?
43:43
No, I'm asking you. Now I'm asking.
43:47
I'm asking you. I'm saying that just because
43:50
right so you debunk Evolution, does that prove creation Well,
43:55
it proves that we didn't get here via mutations.
43:58
Not does include creation. That's what happened previously
44:02
appeared via Matt. Absolutely.
44:03
Because either we appeared via magic just out of nowhere poof
44:07
or we were created. If we did not evolve, we were
44:10
created. I mean, there's a lot, why isn't
44:12
it to be acknowledged right there?
44:14
Well, why is it the why isn't there another option?
44:17
Why is it always create? Go ahead and give another
44:19
option. Even either nothing created the
44:20
universe or something, created the universe, give another
44:23
option. There is no other I've gotten to
44:25
their God created the devil, that's what I'm saying.
44:29
Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying.
44:30
I'm saying you're asking me for another option.
44:32
There is no other option either either gentlemen, gentlemen,
44:36
gentlemen, if you speak at the same time, the audio becomes all
44:39
gargling people can't hear you up there.
44:42
Sorry about leaving you guys have been doing great.
44:44
So please just wait until the other person is sending volume
44:47
up on my account. All right, mr.
44:50
Jones, let me ask you this. Do you believe that an explosion
44:53
out of chaos produced order? Now.
44:58
Okay, well, an explosion out of chaos would be defined as this.
45:01
And Stephen Hawking said, and I quote that if the expansion rate
45:04
would have changed by one part out of one hundred thousand
45:06
million million. After the big bang just one
45:08
second after nothing would exist.
45:10
So one out of one hundred thousand million million chances
45:13
is pretty chaotic, right? Yeah, it is.
45:16
Well scientists can be wrong science.
45:18
Science is a self-correcting process So are you admitting
45:23
now? That is that it is an explosion
45:25
out of chaos, that produced order?
45:27
No, I'm saying this in Rapid expansion.
45:29
Also, the Big Bang Theory is rapid expansion from an
45:34
intensely hot dense singularity So what caused the explosion?
45:41
We don't know. That's a simple answer is we
45:43
don't know, okay, but what do you think is more likely than
45:46
intelligent design or nothing? Causing it to explode?
45:50
Well, we don't know. So we can't, we can't say is
45:53
nothing called something to explore because we simply don't
45:56
know what happened. Just before the big just before
45:59
the Big Bang, we simply don't know.
46:02
So, do you believe that everything existed all the
46:04
planets Stars galaxies and oceans as energy inside the big
46:08
bang and infinitely tet. Infinitesimally small Dot No,
46:14
because the Big Bang Theory doesn't teach that I've heard
46:16
you say on, I've heard you say on video that, you know, all the
46:19
water you can and of all and averred, Kent hovind say that,
46:24
you know, all this water and all the animals and all the things
46:26
and all the rest of it were condensed into this tiny little
46:29
dot. It's simply not true.
46:31
The Big Bang Theory. It doesn't teach that it was a
46:33
hot dense, Singularity, that rapidly expanded.
46:36
We didn't even a flight for the first 300 thousand years.
46:40
We didn't even have any stairs for millions of years after
46:43
that. No, we obviously know that
46:44
stars. The planets come from staff, so,
46:47
Stellar Evolution. Hadn't taken place.
46:50
Yet. Stellar Evolution not for a few
46:52
million years now not after the not for a few million years
46:55
after the big bang. If you give it enough time,
46:58
you'll go from an explosion from an infinitely dense Hat, Point
47:01
to all of time, space and matter not in its present form.
47:06
But over millions of years, these rocks would evolve and
47:10
create themselves, right? Just that again, sort of.
47:15
So you're saying that everything in the universe existed via a
47:18
DOT of energy before it was matter.
47:21
Exploded and created matter. That's funded.
47:26
We didn't seem enough created matter.
47:28
Yeah, we didn't even Alfie moxa. For, I think millions of years,
47:33
I can't remember the exact timeline, but it created
47:38
electrons right at the start of big bang, they started.
47:42
Randall was around in the statute, creating a from atoms
47:45
and stuff and that created matter.
47:47
And then it went well created forming matter and then that's
47:52
that's generally how it did it, okay?
47:55
So then millions and millions of years later after the two
47:57
million years of rainfall and we have the primordial soup come
48:00
into play. I heard you seen a video that it
48:03
was likely that lightning struck Earth.
48:06
And that was where the first single-celled organism emerged,
48:09
not that your position. One of the theories.
48:12
So don't you, what happens? What would happen if lightning
48:16
was to strike one of us right now, isn't that deleterious by
48:18
definition? Wouldn't that destroy anything?
48:21
That's living in the premises or anything that could possibly
48:24
live in the future? Yeah, well, it's Point.
48:27
Yes, it will bolt. So, how is that?
48:29
How is that evidence of abiogenesis?
48:32
How is lightning striking mud. Something that is deleterious by
48:36
the very definition, going to somehow assemble a cell.
48:40
Well, Gino I think that's I'm sorry.
48:47
Brett Will saying science is a self-correcting process.
48:50
Yes it is. Have you ever noticed that after
48:55
after a lightning storm that suddenly your plants grow and an
48:59
exponential rate? I've noticed this in my garden
49:02
lightning strikes, the ground and then you know, the plants
49:06
that straightened out of nowhere.
49:08
That's what I do. We have.
49:09
Any means, do we have any examples of Life coming from
49:12
non-life in specifically lightning?
49:15
It's the oh, No. No.
49:17
That's that's the that's another theory all together.
49:19
In the, the theory that I happen to trust is the Vernier first,
49:25
which somehow I don't, the way it works.
49:28
I also don't know it work but the avenir first and it went
49:31
into DNA and it started forming my very, very primitive life,
49:36
single-celled organisms. If you like, that's the thing
49:38
that I am too, I am to trust and that is actually the theory that
49:42
most people adhere to, but here's the problem, check this
49:45
out. Vertical out, it says the first
49:47
healthy organic molecules may have formed within tiny droplets
49:50
and all scientists agree pretty much for the most part that the
49:53
creation of life and water according to this article, but
49:56
check this out. How does DNA get destroyed?
49:58
Just Google it. Sometime it says, DNA is
50:00
vulnerable this taken from a scientific paper says DNA is
50:03
vulnerable. It breaks down in sunlight and
50:05
in water what was the RNA world like sunlight and water?
50:09
The very thing that destroys DNA you think could assemble DNA via
50:13
RNA processes No, no, that is the claim not less.
50:20
Well, I'll also read up on that because there's this is
50:22
abiogenesis and not. So you're saying that you
50:25
believe in this RNA process but you don't even know what the RNA
50:27
process is this is this RNA just something on the process.
50:32
Well, I've just said, but I don't understand the folio the
50:35
variegated DNA. You're here to your here,
50:37
defending it and saying that it's illogical irrational and
50:39
I'm pointing out. We're still not Evolution
50:41
though, they say abiogenesis, it's not Evolution but it's
50:44
defined as chemical evolution. Is evolution as part of the
50:47
evolutionary process. It's not part of the theory of
50:49
evolution now hey biogenesis is not part of the theory of
50:53
evolution. It is defined as chemical
50:55
Evolution. Anybody can look it up it's not
50:57
this part of the theory of evolution.
50:59
Well that's okay then let's talk about the theory of evolution
51:01
descent with modification. When do you see an animal
51:04
changing from a different from one?
51:05
Kind of animal into another defined kind?
51:10
IE able to reproduce. When do you see a certain family
51:15
or kind of animal Mercy life on this planet is able to reproduce
51:19
or better yet? How about since you brought up
51:22
the whole surfing monkeys thing, and how it's so plausible?
51:25
Why don't you address? The fact that these are salt,
51:29
this is salt water that they're floating across.
51:31
How do they survive for weeks and weeks without any water?
51:35
Well, I explained in the video and I explained on the ultimate
51:39
stay that there was lots of vegetation on this.
51:44
I am enormous landmass that were floating down the panel.
51:47
But what did he sings food? Vegetation is food.
51:50
We're talking about water, what did?
51:52
Yes, you can get water from food.
51:55
So okay, so now you're up his concerns Walter letís.
51:59
Consider lettuce is 90% water. Bananas contain water fruit
52:03
contains water it correct. But where is your everything say
52:06
water, you're going to take them North or South.
52:08
Is it going to take the nine hundred miles across the ocean?
52:12
Well I'm not saying the very first monkeys jumped on the
52:15
jumped on a raft and then serve to cry.
52:16
Not saying that it was a rap. You're arguing that it was a
52:19
vegetation floating Mass, the floor too much.
52:21
I'm not saying but one group of monkeys jumped on a raft and Any
52:25
first journey carted them all the way across the Atlantic
52:28
Ocean. I'm not saying that I'm saying
52:30
there could have been many many land masses but snapped off and
52:34
one of them one at a tent could have made it across.
52:37
I'm not saying they all survived.
52:41
So what. Okay but what did they do?
52:43
What did they drink? What there was no fresh water.
52:46
You're saying that somehow there was they stored fruit with them
52:51
please? No.
52:51
I didn't say that. I said What I said was that
52:57
these because again we simply don't know, but this is the best
53:04
theory as it were. That seems to fit the facts.
53:06
We found fossilized teeth in Peru.
53:09
We know that they originated from part of pesticides in
53:13
Africa. So how did they make the journey
53:15
from Africa? To South America?
53:17
Know, the best theory is that they got there from a land mass,
53:21
that snaps off from Africa and got all the way to South
53:24
America. I'm not saying the first, Did it
53:26
not saying the second one did it but what I'm saying is that
53:29
masses of vegetation can snap off and sustain one or two
53:33
monkeys? If you will got I'm not going to
53:36
argue that vegetation, mats cannot be snapped off a certain
53:39
places in carry certain pieces of vegetation and so forth
53:42
biological organisms across certain areas, of course, we've
53:45
observed that but 900 miles 900 miles, really let that sink in
53:50
ladies and gentlemen. You know, you're actually
53:52
advocating that for 900 miles. They rafted across on a
53:58
vegetation map. And let me ask you this, you
54:00
never, you never actually addressed really any of my
54:02
arguments about fossilization about.
54:05
I dressed every single one of yours but you never got bashed
54:08
in evolution. You got it for the Dinosaur
54:11
Press, preserve tissues. How do you think that these
54:14
tissues were preserved? You think that they really died
54:17
out 65 million years ago? Schweitzer a devout Christian
54:21
and I understand what that say that again.
54:25
Mary Schweitzer devout Christian discovered remains of blood
54:29
cells in dinosaur. Fossils later, discovered, soft
54:31
tissue demented, T-Rex. The specimen was pregnant.
54:35
When she went apparently, the T-Rex day poor bugger.
54:39
Can I just ask crack king before you before you start?
54:42
Brett. Yeah, so I thought you was going
54:47
to remain neutral. I am Well I guess I can see in
54:54
the side chain here. Matt is correct.
54:56
Chemical Revolution, refers to changes in things that be not be
54:59
capable of reproduction. I've always going to remain
55:01
neutral why I thought I wasn't supposed to speak up and voice
55:05
but I'm just typing over here. I incorrect it is defined as
55:10
chemical Evolution. I mean you can say hello, Lucian
55:13
is not part of the theory of evolution.
55:17
Yes, but it is a theory with in evolutionary theory.
55:20
If you will know, it isn't just defined as because it is defined
55:23
as well. Then you're just not educated on
55:25
this topic because anybody can go to Google and look up
55:28
chemical Evolution. And the first thing that pops up
55:30
is the synthesis of original life.
55:32
The synthesis of the first single-celled organisms the
55:35
symphysis Sideshow.
55:48
I'm just saying you remain neutral.
55:49
As you said you would be all right.
55:51
Well, I apologize have fed up. So thank you.
55:54
I will not do it again. Thank you, mr.
55:56
Jones, you mentioned Mary Schweitzer, right?
55:58
And I don't know if you know this but when they were actually
56:01
Excavating these bones, the stench of death was still there
56:05
in the hell Creek formation. They said they reported that
56:08
they could still smell the scent, the stench of death and
56:12
Within These dinosaur bones contain blood hemoglobin in the
56:15
cells as Well, as men's all assholes and stretchy material.
56:20
So how could this stuff lasts for 65 million years if your
56:23
model is correct? Well, I don't know.
56:26
I'm not like I said I'm not changing.
56:29
I said it right to the top of the thing that may have
56:31
knowledge of evolution isn't isn't.
56:33
So isn't up to scratch at all but this is very Schweitzer.
56:40
Okay fair. Did we do promoter Switzer and
56:42
she said she discovered remains of blood cells in dinosaur.
56:45
Fossils, later, discovered, Soft tissue remains in T-Rex.
56:49
Now, I don't know how long, I don't know how soft tissue
56:57
survive didn't T-Rex items, that don't know.
56:59
But you think it's plausible to believe that it survived for 65
57:03
million years with differentiate differentiating temperatures in
57:06
the ground, and sitting there, within the hell Creek formation,
57:12
That's all there is the launch event.
57:14
That is an annual dividend said. Yeah, you'd have to defend that
57:18
blood cells lasted in the ground and you're defending this right
57:22
now for 65 million years with proteins, and also dinosaurs
57:28
that have grass inside of their stomachs, we've even found
57:31
dinosaur feces mr. Jones with yes.
57:35
I know with fecal matter, that somehow, lasted, 65 million
57:39
years and we found out that these dinosaurs ate grass.
57:42
Which again was a prediction that we made on our model but it
57:45
was failed on the evolution of side.
57:47
Let me ask you this. I don't want to ask all the
57:49
questions here today. Final.
57:51
What's that? How did it fail?
57:54
What because Evolution taught that grass, actually evolved via
57:58
55 million years ago but dinosaurs died out, 65 million
58:02
years ago. So dinosaurs Never Saw Grass
58:05
because they didn't find grass in the fossil record.
58:07
But we actually analyze coprolites dinosaur dung and
58:10
found that they actually Eight grass, well, they'll find us.
58:15
Yeah, but they all kind of species of grass that existed
58:17
when dinosaurs existed. I'm sorry, they found a species
58:23
of grasp or one particular kind of grass that existed were
58:28
dinosaurs existed. Yeah.
58:29
But the point that I was making it anybody can Google this is
58:32
that, no grass existed. During the time of the dinosaurs
58:35
that grasp, I just have lost yet.
58:38
I'll just said the walls. They found some I can't really
58:42
hear what you're saying. It's kind of mumbling on the
58:45
mic. I think it's your mic.
58:47
I don't think it's you. Well, anyways, I think I should,
58:51
I think we should do a Brett. How many more minutes do we
58:54
have? Hello.
59:00
Bret. You there.
59:02
Rut. So let's let's talk about
59:11
Evolution then because you said that Evolution basically means
59:17
change over time. Well, I believe in change over
59:18
time but I'm not an evolutionist and so you could Define me as an
59:23
evolutionist just because I believe in change over time.
59:25
But these changes over Generations over these
59:27
populations are deleterious by definition.
59:31
What part of the mutation through selection mechanism,
59:34
that is required to drive. Evolution is is verifiable
59:39
Scientific and that we can observe today.
59:45
You mean beneficial mutations? I'm talking about a mutation a
59:50
group of mutations that would drive a fish to a fisherman like
59:53
Evolution teaches. No, it doesn't teach that song.
59:59
Usually do some people operations variations that we
1:00:03
descended from the millions of years.
1:00:05
So eukaryotes, right. So just because they're
1:00:08
eukaryotes means that we're related.
1:00:09
Correct, I'll try it. So you don't invest into your
1:00:12
period as well, right? So this yeast is a eukaryote as
1:00:16
well. Yes.
1:00:18
So that means, we're related to yeast.
1:00:20
According to you, that means, we're related to pine trees and
1:00:22
elephants because they're eukaryotic organisms.
1:00:24
Well, you could argue that squids and pens are related
1:00:28
because they Ink. You can argue that the clouds
1:00:32
because they have water inside of them, and watermelon has
1:00:34
water inside of it, is it sounds somehow watermelon and clouds
1:00:38
are related? Ladies and gentlemen because
1:00:39
they have what is a pain in your opening statement?
1:00:42
You literally said dinosaurs and birds both have a very very
1:00:47
similar Wishbone therefore they're related I'm sorry that
1:00:51
is nice of pain. Eukaryote Say that again.
1:00:56
Is a pain. A eukaryote.
1:01:00
Is a what a eukaryote a pen. You mentioned.
1:01:03
Squids impending a pain is not a eukaryote.
1:01:05
I'm just pointing out and neither is an IQ but I'm just
1:01:08
saying that just because certain things have similar
1:01:10
characteristics, doesn't mean that they come from common
1:01:12
descent. That's not it's just common
1:01:15
ancestor from common ancestry, common descent that they shared
1:01:20
a common ancestor because they have, why not?
1:01:24
Yeah, why not? Because well, for one we only
1:01:27
see animals producing within their families.
1:01:30
And then number two, if we look at the genetic makeup of certain
1:01:35
animals, for example, the Y chromosome of a human versus the
1:01:38
Y. Chromosome of the chimp, we have
1:01:40
a somewhat similar Y chromosome. Well, evolutionists have
1:01:44
concluded that based on the Y chromosome analysis that somehow
1:01:49
we are, we descended from chimps because we have a similar Y
1:01:52
chromosome will. Look we More in common with a
1:01:55
gorilla's, Y chromosome than a chimps.
1:01:57
Y chromosome. So, does that mean we descended
1:01:59
from gorillas? No, it means that we share
1:02:01
certain DNA barcodes with certain of the creation that's
1:02:03
around us because we're all coated with the same code for
1:02:05
Life via DNA. So of course, we would expect
1:02:09
her to be similarities. We'd expect for certain
1:02:11
organisms like ourselves to be eukaryotes.
1:02:14
So what big deal. It doesn't prove that we are
1:02:16
related to pine trees or Elephants or Yeast.
1:02:21
It's so hilarious group is on you to show how that how we are
1:02:24
related. Just because we're eukaryotes
1:02:29
Let me ask you. This is a red squirrel, an
1:02:31
iguana gray squirrel. Same kind I'm sorry you're
1:02:36
coming in and out so much. Can you can you is the red
1:02:39
squirrel and the grey squirrel? The same kind I would say so why
1:02:45
can't the integrate because when populations reproduce, What
1:02:51
happens is when these certain kinds reproduce reductive traits
1:02:55
come into play. For example, you might have a
1:02:58
set of parents that will actually produce offspring that
1:03:01
are inter fertile. It's it's not an example of
1:03:04
evolution, my friend. This is This is the productive
1:03:07
process where they can no longer reproduce, something that we
1:03:10
would predict in the creation model, but the same kind and in
1:03:14
the Bible it says the animals of the same kind will bring forth
1:03:18
after their kind, but you just don't you just said that red
1:03:21
squirrels and quit and gray. Squirrels are the same kind of
1:03:24
animal. Yes, but everything, but certain
1:03:27
kinds will absolutely Bibles wrong.
1:03:29
Thank you. No longer.
1:03:30
I'm explaining. There are certain kinds that
1:03:32
gets to a point where they can no longer interbreed, because
1:03:34
they have diversify. I'd and because entropy has
1:03:37
occurred to those organism. It is, it is reductive.
1:03:40
So, what you're claiming is proof of evolution or even
1:03:43
possible. This is how we drive Evolution
1:03:45
and speciation. Well, number one, they're still
1:03:47
part of the same family or genus.
1:03:50
And then number two, these organisms, these organisms are
1:03:55
reductive when they can no longer the inter fertile, that's
1:04:00
reductive by definition, that's part of the Fall, that's part of
1:04:03
sin. That's part of mutations
1:04:04
entering in And making it so certain creatures can no longer
1:04:08
interbreed it goes perfectly with our model.
1:04:11
The burden of proof would be on you to explain how you go from
1:04:14
the goo to you or even from ape to man via mutations.
1:04:22
Well I'm still not an answer because it does.
1:04:25
The bible say, that means we bring forth and I think your
1:04:28
question, excuse me. I don't know, personally, I
1:04:35
don't know how we got from, just the theory of evolution teaches
1:04:39
that we was all eukaryotes and eukaryotes.
1:04:42
Produce any of you carry words, I explain to you why that's
1:04:44
wrong, just because we are eukaryotes and pine trees are
1:04:47
eukaryotes, doesn't mean that we share a common ancestor with
1:04:50
pine trees. It means that we're all made up
1:04:51
of the same genetic of similar genetic material.
1:04:54
That is code for life because we all live on one planet.
1:04:58
The way that these genes are expressed are very different in
1:05:01
the way that the Certain bar codes of DNA and us are
1:05:04
expressed are very different than that of a pine tree just
1:05:07
because we have you that we are eukaryotes doesn't mean that we
1:05:12
descended from a common ancestor with a pine tree.
1:05:16
It means like that. I mean, you look at the
1:05:18
differences versus the similarities and the
1:05:21
differences. Well, outweigh the similarities.
1:05:24
Well, I know why, why are we not dis see staff from eukaryote?
1:05:31
I've made some notes. It's well, I mean, I understand
1:05:36
what you're trying to say, mr. Jones.
1:05:38
And I'm not trying to be down on you.
1:05:39
But look, you could literally argue that me and another
1:05:46
animal, let's say a cat have a common ancestor just because we
1:05:49
both have eyes, that is literally the argument that
1:05:51
you're presenting in this discuss.
1:05:52
What isn't you're saying that? Because okay, because we're
1:05:55
eukaryotes, because we have a certain type of cell therefore,
1:05:59
and then we share this certain type of cell with another
1:06:01
creature. Therefore, we came from a common
1:06:04
ancestor related. Yes, yes.
1:06:06
So would you make the same argument about having eyes or
1:06:10
five toes? Or let's say family size?
1:06:15
I mean, where do you draw the line on this?
1:06:17
Well, it depends. Which is nothing more than
1:06:19
propaganda. Well, it depends which sucks
1:06:22
anomic category. You want to come from because
1:06:24
the domain which is, which is the top of the tree, is you
1:06:27
carrier, which is eukaryotes and then it goes to an email
1:06:30
earlier. And then The phylum class, the
1:06:33
order, the family, the genus or species.
1:06:36
But blacks at the top of the tree though, is domain. and you
1:06:41
still like to get an answer this question because he said
1:06:44
something about mutations But you said that the same kind of
1:06:49
animal. Why can't red squirrels and grey
1:06:52
squirrels. We produce only explain it to
1:06:55
you twice but I'll explain to you again.
1:06:57
They are inter fertile because of the Fall because of reductive
1:07:01
Evolution. See we are devolving.
1:07:04
You believe we are evolving, we're becoming better.
1:07:06
But this proves that these kinds of animals.
1:07:08
They're actually becoming reductive in a sense they can't
1:07:11
reproduce anymore. That means that that is not
1:07:14
Evolution. That is D evolution by
1:07:16
definition. Evolution doesn't mean that's a
1:07:20
Evolution means descent with inherent genetic modification,
1:07:23
but those modifications need to be able to make it, so they can
1:07:26
survive in a new environment. Now, keep this in mind, I
1:07:31
believe that microevolution is true.
1:07:34
Yes, we adapt to our environments.
1:07:35
We will make changes but that is because of heterozygosity that's
1:07:38
been built into us. And when these red and gray
1:07:42
squirrels they can no longer be in her fertile.
1:07:44
That's just an example of heterozygosity going for From
1:07:47
heterozygosity to homozygosity where they can no longer
1:07:50
reproduce. It doesn't mean that we all
1:07:53
descended from a common ancestor.
1:07:55
It means that things are becoming worse over time, and we
1:07:58
are becoming less and less fertile as a population.
1:08:01
I mean, we've even looked at sperm cells in male humans and
1:08:05
from generation to generation were losing sperm cells.
1:08:07
Were losing the ability to reproduce from generation to
1:08:10
generation. Entropy is occurring.
1:08:12
We have 100 to 200 more mutations than our parents had
1:08:16
mr. Jones, what that?
1:08:17
Is that we are more mutant than them.
1:08:19
We die from mutations. These mutations are defined as
1:08:22
neutral but they cannot be weeded out by natural selection.
1:08:26
So if mutations building up in populations over time, continues
1:08:29
over these Generations, we will go extinct and that's why
1:08:33
evolution is false. It is not true.
1:08:34
It is falsified at the fundamental of what a mutation
1:08:37
even is the very thing that supposed to drive Evolution the
1:08:42
very thing, the very model that you're proposing, proposes that
1:08:45
mutations. Are what caused us to evolve
1:08:49
from literal fish to land dwelling animals, all the way up
1:08:55
from Lucy. All the way up to mankind.
1:08:57
Will is this, it? Are we done evolving?
1:09:00
I don't want to think about time.
1:09:01
I'm going to turn it back over to you.
1:09:04
You once said that rocks conceived, you still believe
1:09:11
that or Evolution TV that the Rocks conceive.
1:09:16
What? We know that Evolution teaches
1:09:18
that because it is like I said earlier, it's defined as
1:09:21
chemical Evolution and then number two I can actually show
1:09:24
you a paper. That actually explains this.
1:09:29
So I'm going to go to the paper right now actually.
1:09:32
Paper that explains. How we descended that we
1:09:38
wouldn't even be here. The title of the paper is that
1:09:41
you owe your life to a rock mr. Jones.
1:09:44
And of course, this is one of the things that you brought up
1:09:45
in your videos as a supposed lie, that Matt Palin can Hoban
1:09:48
spew but it is common knowledge. I'm going to look it up here.
1:09:53
The title of the paper is you owe your life to a rock.
1:09:59
Here it is. This is the title of paper.
1:10:03
You owe your life to A-Rod, is this?
1:10:12
Sorry about that. You owe your life to a rock.
1:10:17
We get this back over here. Sorry about that, okay.
1:10:26
Let's see you owe your life to Iraq.
1:10:30
Erosion of metal-rich, granite long ago, set the stage for
1:10:33
multicellular organisms. Check this out.
1:10:37
This is this is literally what your theory is saying.
1:10:40
So thank goodness for granted, this is how the article starts
1:10:42
out. Thank goodness for granted.
1:10:45
You know what I would say? I would thank God for life, not
1:10:48
rock. Thank God, that were alive.
1:10:51
Thank goodness for granted, if not for the formation in some
1:10:54
subsequent erosion of large quantities of metal-rich,
1:10:57
granite on a supercontinent. What is going on?
1:11:07
These heavy metal elements, mr. Jones had to erode from the
1:11:11
granite that somehow came here by chance.
1:11:13
A rock that we can't create on purpose.
1:11:16
Somehow created Itself by chance.
1:11:18
And then when it was raining for two million years, it rotated
1:11:22
the rocks to a point where multicellular life would now be
1:11:26
able to use those chemical compounds to survive.
1:11:29
That is what evolution teaches that is chemical Evolution.
1:11:31
That is the fundamental of the theory.
1:11:37
But also read that again. I did read it once.
1:11:40
Well I got to read that again to make sure.
1:11:43
It is well thanks, I'm not, I'm not want to be on this planet.
1:11:51
What's that some of the ingredients for life were
1:11:53
already on this planet? Say that one more time.
1:11:59
Some of the ingredients were already on this planet.
1:12:04
Yes. But the ingredients for life
1:12:06
would not have assembled themselves if it weren't for the
1:12:08
heavy metal elements that came out of the granite rock when it
1:12:11
was being rained on 42 million years according to the model.
1:12:14
So so like sorry, go on. I was going to say.
1:12:17
So single-celled, organisms could exist without it, but
1:12:19
multicellular organisms, according to Evolution, could
1:12:22
not have existed. According to this paper could
1:12:24
not have existed. Unless these heavy metal.
1:12:27
Were eroded from the Rocks. So when you come on here and say
1:12:30
nobody believes or you get on your channel, nobody believes
1:12:33
that we came from rocks. That's just a light.
1:12:36
You're just hearing that from other atheists YouTubers because
1:12:39
this is what evolution teaches. If evolution teaches the Earth
1:12:41
was a hot molten ball of rock and then it rained on the rocks
1:12:45
for millions of years and out of that soup came me and you over
1:12:49
generations and variations that is what evolution teaches that
1:12:53
is that we evolved from rocks that we descended from the calc
1:12:56
chemical elements. Contained in these rocks.
1:13:07
I lost it. I lost to read up on that
1:13:09
because I didn't, I didn't anticipate that that question.
1:13:14
But isn't it just I'm not trying to be down in you mr.
1:13:16
Jones. But isn't it kind of, isn't it?
1:13:19
Kind of not a good thing to get on video and to bash me assume
1:13:24
at Powell's a liar? He's just making all this stuff
1:13:27
up. He's disgusting when I have
1:13:30
sources for everything that I brought forth today.
1:13:33
Sources for Solutions every claim that you said I've lied
1:13:36
about I've brought sources for forward for So I would just
1:13:42
encourage you to make sure to do research before you jump onto
1:13:46
discussions like this. And don't call me a liar for
1:13:49
making a certain claim that has been verified in this discussion
1:13:52
because it is a true claim. This is the model The wrong
1:13:58
thing. No I don't believe for one
1:14:00
second. No because I think you're
1:14:01
oversimplifying because you said on video The Rock You said on
1:14:07
the video you said on video that Iraq conceived.
1:14:14
What I said, what you tell me? I will rock conceives.
1:14:20
Can you say that again? I can barely hear you.
1:14:22
Are you asking about you son? You said own video, a rock.
1:14:27
They believe your exact words. They believe a rock conceived.
1:14:33
Correct. Tell me how you.
1:14:34
Yeah. You tell me how a rock can
1:14:36
conceive. I don't believe it can conceive.
1:14:40
I never did okay but no your model is claiming that it did
1:14:44
because it rained, you said it did within that rock.
1:14:50
Heavy elements came out and then we evolved from those heavy
1:14:52
elements. That means that we were
1:14:54
conceived from rocks. It's not hard to figure out on
1:14:56
the field at all, it's at Ole Miss representation.
1:15:00
You you trying to oversimplify things and it's ridiculous.
1:15:03
It is not a misrepresentation. It is complete mess with
1:15:07
misrepresentation. You said over conceived and how
1:15:10
does a rock conceived, then let the viewers decide.
1:15:13
If the viewers can pull up the article for themselves that says
1:15:16
in the title out, pull it out yourself.
1:15:18
You owe your life to Iraq. That's the only that I'll be the
1:15:22
better but I'm asking you right now.
1:15:24
How does a rock conceive? You tell me.
1:15:28
I don't believe that. What does it say in the paper
1:15:30
than Rock conceived? What does it say in the theory
1:15:33
of evolution? That a rock can see with this
1:15:36
point, we're just arguing hermeneutics, you're moving the
1:15:38
goalposts. I'm not moving the goalposts,
1:15:41
it's all. I'm not moving the goalposts.
1:15:43
It's all I think you mentioned rocks this many times and
1:15:46
gentlemen, Gentlemen, let's let's relax.
1:15:50
Try to do it one at a time here. Also enough, you mentioned
1:15:56
rocks, you said a rock conceived on one of your videos.
1:16:00
You said that this is the theory of evolution.
1:16:02
This is what it teaches a rock conceived.
1:16:04
You tell me where in the theory of evolution, does it say a rock
1:16:08
conceived. The reason that we know that
1:16:12
according to Evolution a rack would have conceived is because
1:16:16
I've explained this many times, I'm going to play it one more
1:16:18
time, and then I'm done. Because these heavy chemical
1:16:22
elements that were contained in the Rocks were rained on and
1:16:26
were eroded out of the rocks and then those heavy chemical
1:16:30
elements were what made our life possible?
1:16:33
So yes the title of the article is that you owe your life to
1:16:36
Iraq and that is what they are saying.
1:16:38
They say thank goodness for granite or we wouldn't be here.
1:16:42
They're saying, we descended from rocks, they're saying that
1:16:45
life came about via, spontaneous generation via soup and you said
1:16:49
that the RNA world, Was a good mechanism to rely.
1:16:53
That's the one that I personally by into is the RNA World
1:16:56
hypothesis, which I debunked just a few about 30 minutes ago
1:17:00
just by reading the punk ass, neither DNA and sunlight,
1:17:04
sunlight, and water destroys DNA.
1:17:07
So, how is life going to assemble itself in sunlight and
1:17:09
water on rocks? Explain that to me, Well, still
1:17:14
have a non-hostile of inside announcer, but Iraq, conceived a
1:17:18
word. It's a word you three times.
1:17:20
No, no, no, you didn't times on this know, you didn't.
1:17:25
How does it work concede? How does a rock produce an egg?
1:17:29
Mr. Jones, I'm not going to answer you again.
1:17:32
I will say this is Rock produce an egg.
1:17:34
How does a rock produce sperm eggs of rock reproduce?
1:17:38
A rocks. We produce a rock conceived RNA
1:17:43
via erosion of the Granite erosion of the chemical analysis
1:17:50
than chemicals. The heavy elements in this
1:17:52
article that were eroded that somehow conceived that somehow
1:17:58
assembled themselves in sunlight and water the very thing that
1:18:01
destroys DNA. I can't even believe somehow we
1:18:04
have to have discussions like this because you should be able
1:18:07
to just say okay, you know, Some might water destroys DNA, I'm
1:18:10
throwing it out, but you'll still sit here and argue.
1:18:14
Well, why are you saying a rock and see, I'm not saying it right
1:18:16
conceived. Their studies out there.
1:18:20
What's that? You said?
1:18:21
That one of your videos said that these people think a rock
1:18:24
conceived. In fact, I have college
1:18:25
students. I have, you know, she'll never
1:18:27
dance to it is telling me that they believe rocks conceived
1:18:31
over God. Created the universe name, one.
1:18:35
I was at Arizona State University and I interviewed
1:18:38
them. And in fact, I could pull up, I
1:18:39
could show you the interviews of them saying.
1:18:42
Yeah, we believe we came from rocks.
1:18:44
Please Daddy please do a video about it.
1:18:46
I will release a video about it. Pretty much a pretty good pretty
1:18:50
quick here because I feel like it should be put out there in
1:18:53
the public eye. Was that's gonna wait till film
1:18:55
that I was going to release on this matter but look the the
1:18:58
mutation through selection process and the abide by the
1:19:02
abiogenesis soup has been thoroughly debunked.
1:19:05
Look Ty debunked. It just by using some basic
1:19:08
scientific papers. The Bible says, in the
1:19:09
beginning, God created the Heaven and the Earth not in the
1:19:12
beginning. Nothing exploded and somehow or
1:19:14
nothing rapidly expanded faster than any explosion in history
1:19:17
which is an explosion by definition and created
1:19:20
everything that we see around us in the world today it is
1:19:22
absolutely false. It has been falsified and people
1:19:26
that were would speak of this in an honest manner.
1:19:29
Should just throw it away. Throw the hypothesis of
1:19:31
evolution away. Mr. Jones, except that, which is
1:19:34
demonstrated to be Be true that which is demonstrated to be fact
1:19:38
and that is creation, creationism creation science.
1:19:41
The world was created. God loves you, he died for you,
1:19:44
he came here, two thousand years ago, died on a cross was buried
1:19:48
and rose again for your sins and my sins.
1:19:51
And he wants you to go to heaven with me.
1:19:53
I want you to go to heaven with me.
1:19:54
I don't want you to go to hell. Now look, I understand, we're
1:19:58
just trying to keep this as a general discussion of.
1:20:01
I think we should probably just wrap it up.
1:20:03
You have provided, no evidence for evolution.
1:20:05
In this entire discussion. You never answered my talking
1:20:08
points. Everything, that you said, I
1:20:11
literally answer. Well, everything that you said,
1:20:12
well, I want some evidence for God.
1:20:17
I gave you evidence for God, time-space.
1:20:19
Oh, you didn't know. Well, I've done videos on this
1:20:27
explaining that there are only two concepts of religion.
1:20:30
There is people who work their way to heaven, and there's
1:20:32
people who trust Christ as Savior.
1:20:33
Every other religion teaches a Works salvation.
1:20:36
My faith is in Christ. And in the done religion, the
1:20:39
one who said that, he paid it all.
1:20:41
When he died for my sins, past present and future.
1:20:44
But faith is their office, and there's only two concepts.
1:20:47
So it's not hard to figure out but faith is belief, isn't it?
1:20:52
Faith is your belief without evidence false faith is defined
1:20:56
as a confidence or trust in someone or something, look it up
1:20:59
in a dictionary. Don't tell em.
1:21:01
It's not much. No problem.
1:21:03
Well, I'm still not seeing any evidence we've got here.
1:21:05
You just go. Oh God.
1:21:06
Hey, wait a minute, you just missed a find faith.
1:21:09
Faith is defined as a confidence or trust in someone or
1:21:15
something. It is not believing things
1:21:17
without evidence. You've been listening to too
1:21:19
much aronra, my friend Even listening too much mr.
1:21:22
Larry Nelson. That comes right out of his
1:21:24
mouth. I was just repeating, we're not
1:21:26
called hotter. If you would have looked at a
1:21:28
dictionary, you would have known that.
1:21:30
But instead you're watching your, you're trusting YouTubers
1:21:33
to tell you the truth instead of trusting fact.
1:21:38
I don't I don't really have any more to say.
1:21:40
So it was you think we forgot one thing?
1:21:42
I think maybe your proof. Oh, I know we don't get that
1:21:45
from this debate. So, where is your proof for your
1:21:49
god? What is your proof of heaven?
1:21:52
I've already said it several times but I'll you know, I'll
1:21:55
say it one more time. The fact that time space and
1:21:58
matter exists is proof that it either a came into existence of.
1:22:02
I imagine on caused or that be somebody caused it.
1:22:06
And what does it say about space and matter had to be outside of
1:22:09
time, space and matter, Timeless spaceless immaterial and if it
1:22:11
is timeless spaceless immaterial and could bring something as big
1:22:14
as the ocean itself on this earth into It's that requires
1:22:18
power and intelligence to be able to design, life requires
1:22:22
power and intelligence until I eat intelligent design.
1:22:26
It is pain. Okay, explain to me how one out
1:22:32
of one hundred thousand million million chances happen by
1:22:34
chance. Santos knows, I'm still waiting
1:22:37
for evidence for heaven. I'm still waiting for evidence
1:22:40
for God, simply saying that time, space and matter exists is
1:22:43
not good enough for me simply saying it says it in the Bible
1:22:46
isn't good enough for me. That's that's okay.
1:22:49
Then that's that's on you. That's not.
1:22:50
I mean I already explained the model if you want to reject the
1:22:53
model, that's fine. I'm not rejecting the model.
1:22:55
I must give evidence of the model gentlemen.
1:22:58
Gentlemen. We were doing a 30-minute, open
1:23:01
discussion, and then went way over 30 minutes and I appreciate
1:23:05
you both having patience and difference for that.
1:23:08
But it's just going to go on and on and on.
1:23:11
So, do we want to get to closing statements?
1:23:17
Do we want to do a Q&A? How you guys smoking with you
1:23:20
and Amy? Q8 sounds good with any
1:23:24
questions in the chat? What we should?
1:23:27
We should have a closing. We should just have closing
1:23:29
statements just a real quick wrap-up.
1:23:30
You want to just do two minutes mr.
1:23:31
Jones two minutes. Each dog either.
1:23:34
Go into Q&A. All right, fair enough now, mr.
1:23:39
Jones, would you have any issue if I ask any questions.
1:23:42
Not. So, okay, mr.
1:23:45
Jones. If it is, not your belief that
1:23:48
you come from rocks. Then, what did you come from?
1:23:51
If there was no God to guide it, I explained earlier on I'm I
1:23:57
don't know much about it and I said this earlier on and I think
1:24:04
that the arena first is probably the best theory of where we came
1:24:08
from. Okay, let's say about Genesis,
1:24:13
that's not evolution. Okay.
1:24:20
Is anyone out there have a question that they want to ask?
1:24:24
I mean, I myself I have questions but I want to give
1:24:27
other people my opportunity. Let's see.
1:24:36
I'm looking through here. We've got someone called d-57
1:24:39
that says that they want to ask a question.
1:24:45
All right, while we're waiting for this person to do it.
1:24:47
So you guys held up, you guys were talking about the surfing
1:24:51
monkey incident earlier, right? You said that you guys were
1:24:55
saying over 900 miles. There was this floating debris
1:24:58
that basically, according to you had lettuce and plants, aren't
1:25:02
it? And the monkeys were eating the
1:25:04
very thing that they were floating art.
1:25:06
Now, you know, they'll find only serves me, right?
1:25:10
Doesn't saltwater, destroy lettuce.
1:25:12
And then This material that you speak since I didn't set up.
1:25:19
Okay, what said, how would you like to respond?
1:25:22
I said a floating land mass and I wish me opening statements of
1:25:29
the video was, was working properly, but it wasn't what I
1:25:33
showed a massive land mass floating down the Panama Canal,
1:25:39
that it would block. The Panama Canal back in 2010
1:25:42
and it still add upright trees on it.
1:25:47
This one must it's they could have just snapped away.
1:25:49
I'm not saying it could. It could be what several meters
1:25:52
thick. This line must have snapped
1:25:54
away, but we just simply don't know.
1:25:58
Do you mind if I come in on it real quick, but of course, this
1:26:02
is you guys debate, you do things where you want.
1:26:05
Sure. So you know this, this whole
1:26:07
theory that monkeys, you know, surfed on vegetation mats from
1:26:11
Africa, to South America, 34 million years ago.
1:26:13
Again, the study is actually based on a fossil and Jonesy
1:26:16
obviously, referenced this at the beginning of our debate or
1:26:19
discussion that, you know, it's based on these fossils of these
1:26:23
teeth that we found these molars.
1:26:25
The problem is that fossilization again is about
1:26:29
conditions number one, and the number two, it would have been
1:26:32
catastrophic lie, buried somehow.
1:26:34
So, even if they did right across there on a raft, somehow
1:26:38
they were catastrophic. We buried to the point where
1:26:40
their teeth were able to be preserved.
1:26:43
And so, you know, just saying well we Found some fossils of
1:26:47
the certain animal over in South America, that didn't exist in
1:26:52
that didn't exist in South America, they existed in Africa.
1:26:54
That means that they must have floated across.
1:26:57
You know, I am willing to submit.
1:26:58
Maybe they floated across, but in a catastrophic event and they
1:27:01
were buried catastrophically, which is why we find the
1:27:03
fossils. People always say, Well, they're
1:27:05
trying to survive, we find him trying to get on vegetation,
1:27:07
mats to survive. Yeah, they were running from the
1:27:09
flood of Noah, they were trying to survive and they were
1:27:11
catastrophic. We buried it.
1:27:12
So, it perfectly fits my model. So, no matter how this game
1:27:16
Because it will not go the evolutionists way.
1:27:19
So I did kangaroos, get to Australia from Turkey.
1:27:22
Well for one the am I allowed to answer that question about you
1:27:27
guys are more than welcome to do whatever you like with it.
1:27:31
Yeah. For one the sea level would have
1:27:32
been much lower. If you lower the sea level,
1:27:34
after the flood obviously would have been land bridges
1:27:40
everywhere. So would be no problem for
1:27:43
kangaroos to be able to Simply hop there would have been no
1:27:45
problem for them. So that would be my answer to
1:27:47
that. So why is it?
1:27:49
Plausible for drunk for monkeys to get from Africa to South
1:27:52
America, and not implausible for kangaroos to get from Turkey to
1:27:58
Australia because they want, they have, they didn't ride on a
1:28:02
raft. Mr. Jones.
1:28:03
They walked, they have to they have to cross.
1:28:09
While the water was subducted. It wasn't as high as it is
1:28:14
today, the sea level hadn't risen as much.
1:28:16
Remember this is post-flood. Immediate post flood, they would
1:28:20
have been able to get there so the sea.
1:28:22
So the sea levels were lower from cricket Australia, but the
1:28:26
world law from Africa, the result in lower, in one part of
1:28:30
the world, you're confused, you're conflating two different
1:28:32
models. So the normal age, the creation
1:28:35
model says that there was a flood that Aleutian model says
1:28:38
that the unit, the kid, the present is the key to the past.
1:28:41
So remember you the uniformitarianism which means
1:28:43
that these monkeys would have served across on water because
1:28:46
it remembers peaceful Voyage, right?
1:28:48
Because it was Catastrophic according to Evolution.
1:28:51
But according to my model, the way that those kangaroos would
1:28:54
have gotten to Australia, would they would have simply went via
1:28:58
land bridges? That would connect from
1:29:02
Australia to Turkey if you will. And so that would be the best
1:29:06
answer on that. So I'm very ready for another
1:29:11
question. I see people's as well, the
1:29:13
koala bears, and they hot there as well.
1:29:15
And dip. I'm not.
1:29:18
What did you say? I'm sorry.
1:29:19
Are you guys already? So plz, the other marsupials the
1:29:22
koala bears, they hop there as well.
1:29:25
Well, if there's land connecting, it wouldn't be
1:29:27
implausible at all. They travel animals, survived
1:29:31
Combs. So why couldn't that have been
1:29:33
land connecting Africa to South America because in the in the
1:29:37
model and I could pull up what the continents looked like back
1:29:41
then, the continents would have looked like this 65 million
1:29:48
years ago. Let me pull it up here.
1:29:55
Let me just pull it over here. Yeah, this is what the
1:29:58
continents would have looked like.
1:30:00
So there were no land bridges. That you can see here.
1:30:04
So was, yeah. But what along the edges from to
1:30:06
get to Australia? Mr. Jones, I've explained this
1:30:13
Oh yes. Yes, because this is an
1:30:44
evolutionary assumption page. This is an evolutionary
1:30:47
assumption Picture. This Is How They think it looks
1:30:49
back then before. All right, then we'll should we
1:30:51
picture with someone. Shall we picture with someone
1:30:54
Mass between turkey and Australia?
1:30:58
Look, I'm not look. I'm showing you what your model
1:31:03
is. Is proposing here via 65 million
1:31:06
years ago. I don't know if you can imagine
1:31:07
you for evidence of your model, I've given you evidence of my
1:31:11
model? No, you haven't.
1:31:13
Where other one must isn't circuits.
1:31:15
Australia, mr. Jones in this discussion that we
1:31:18
have to agree to disagree and we have to move on.
1:31:21
I'm sure there's a masking you, you just, you just tried
1:31:24
debunking the Africa to say, America.
1:31:28
I'm going to debunk now is circuit Australia, business, and
1:31:31
other land masses from Turkey to austerely at this, is your model
1:31:34
show evidence of your model people, okay?
1:31:36
This is not my model, what you're seeing on the screen,
1:31:38
right? I did say, was your uncle.
1:31:40
I said, We'll take it took for the second circuit Australia,
1:31:47
there are land masses and a kangaroo hops from Turkey to
1:31:51
Australia down a bit and some evidence for that gentlemen,
1:31:55
this is the Q and A section of it for people to be able to ask
1:31:59
the folks in the show questions and I will say this, this is not
1:32:07
meant Pals page, he's showing you what the evolutionists are
1:32:11
saying. That is what Said, three times.
1:32:13
I don't know if you guys are here in each other clearly, or
1:32:16
what's happening here, but this was fed three times.
1:32:20
Well, let me ask, let me ask you yet again.
1:32:22
This is his model kangaroos got from Turkey to Australia,
1:32:27
hopping on land masses. Where is the evidence for this?
1:32:33
I've already explained it being. After the flood post-flood, the
1:32:39
sea level would have been much lower and if you bring the sea
1:32:42
level lower, even just a few hundred feet, you're going to
1:32:45
start to seal and everywhere. So that definitely looks like I
1:32:52
provided plenty of proof for the flood.
1:32:55
I don't even provide you with evidence.
1:32:56
I can provide you with proof of the flood.
1:32:57
Well, you either plead claim, so the facts and evidence.
1:33:00
That's what we would predict, that's what we would predict
1:33:02
post flood because of the water still running off of the, I sold
1:33:08
the land masses. They're under the water now.
1:33:14
I'm not going to keep answering this question.
1:33:17
I've answered this question now for X, we need to move on.
1:33:20
We need to be professional and we need to move on.
1:33:23
I'm asking for evidence of the landmasses.
1:33:26
You've shown evidence for these landmasses man.
1:33:29
Guys guys the thing that I'm not understanding here is you're
1:33:33
saying you're wanting these land masses from a site that's about
1:33:36
Evolution but the issue is we were originally talking about
1:33:40
surfing monkeys, not land masses.
1:33:44
All this close together. It's a scientist that are
1:33:46
claiming that, it was 900 miles. They traveled.
1:33:50
So what is this? Exactly?
1:33:52
From either one of these, if you don't mind me asking, what does
1:33:54
this have to do with the surfing monkeys?
1:34:00
Well, it's to do says nothing. It has nothing to do with it.
1:34:02
It really has nothing to do with it.
1:34:04
Just it comes down to repeating arguments that he's heard from
1:34:07
other YouTubers about the problem of kangaroos getting to
1:34:11
select assumptions about me, Okay.
1:34:16
Yeah. I don't really have anything
1:34:17
else to say on this, I think we've tried and we've tried to
1:34:20
talk about it. We need to just agree to move on
1:34:22
mr. Jones but you know you said
1:34:25
this, this is your slide here. This you will slide So I want to
1:34:31
say between 65 million years ago.
1:34:35
Well go further if there's land masses between turkey and
1:34:40
Australia, the will be some pictures of them or there will
1:34:43
be a computer model of that. So shortly, mr.
1:34:47
Mr. Jones, we have to move on, we have people in the Q&A,
1:34:51
they're asking questions, phone off it, right?
1:34:53
You don't wanna answer the question.
1:34:54
That's up the phone. No problem.
1:34:55
I've lost wouldn't read it four times.
1:34:58
All right, all right. Ladies and gentlemen, in the
1:35:02
debate and the discussion live discussion, however, you want to
1:35:05
refer to it. There was a comment made about
1:35:08
lightning hitting some area of the Earth and somehow sparking
1:35:13
life into existence. What did the lightning hit that?
1:35:18
Cause life to come into existence Walter water,
1:35:23
apparently, that's that's one of the theories.
1:35:27
So what kind of water was is that the lightning hit probably
1:35:32
take a guess at H2O, okay? So my answer to this would be
1:35:40
that it's completely opposite. What they're what the evolution
1:35:43
model is saying is completely opposite.
1:35:45
To that of reality into what the Bible says, the Bible says that
1:35:48
life began on the land and that God breathed into man's
1:35:51
nostrils, the breath of life and he became a living soul.
1:35:54
And so our model teaches that it began on land, their model
1:35:58
teaches the begin on water, but the reason we know it couldn't
1:36:00
have happened. Notice the wording here could
1:36:02
not have happened in the water and it is falsified is because
1:36:06
DNA Breaks down in sunlight and water RNA is pre-dna.
1:36:11
And if the pre, if the Prebiotic process contained Water by
1:36:16
definition, its going to scatter the DNA in molecules and not
1:36:19
assemble them. I guess the next question we
1:36:25
have to ask them either. One of you have any questions
1:36:29
from the chat? I don't I don't want it to just
1:36:31
be. Yeah I'm trying to look sorry on
1:36:34
the screen over and this, let's see.
1:36:40
Now there's a couple people sitting here, talking about
1:36:43
Russia and Ukraine right now there was someone who had asked
1:36:47
this question. Let me put it up.
1:36:55
Do you see it? Yeah, I can see it.
1:36:57
It's just small on the screen. What is this a matte matte you
1:37:01
claim something? Matt you claim to possible land,
1:37:07
bridge got any evidence. So it's the same question that
1:37:10
mr. Jones asked the evidence is that
1:37:13
after the flood post-flood immediately after that, the sea
1:37:18
level was lower. And if you lower the sea level,
1:37:22
even just a few hundred feet, there are land bridges
1:37:23
everywhere. The sea level is increasing over
1:37:26
time via was increasing over time, via the water running off
1:37:30
of the mountains and off of the land, it would increase the sea
1:37:34
level and so Not a problem for our model whatsoever.
1:37:37
That's the answer. Okay.
1:37:41
Okay. Do we want to do closing
1:37:43
statements because apparently people got sidetracked about the
1:37:46
Ukraine and Russia. All right.
1:37:49
We should do closings. You can go first, mr.
1:37:52
Jones. Do you go Fest?
1:37:54
I went postal the ultimate. Okay.
1:37:57
Well, how long should we go for a brat?
1:37:59
Just a couple minutes. You guys do what you feel on it.
1:38:04
All right, I'm going to go for two minutes, so let me see here.
1:38:09
So overall I think a good discussion, I want to thank mr.
1:38:13
Jones for challenging me to defend my position on these
1:38:18
matters. I do want to encourage people
1:38:21
that look into this stuff and look, I hope I haven't come off
1:38:23
as condescending or something. It's just that when I hear so
1:38:26
many falsehoods in one discussion or so many lies, I
1:38:31
feel like I have to and I'm compelled by what the Bible
1:38:33
tells me to do which is to seek and promote truth to Simply
1:38:37
point out the errors. And I think that I've done that
1:38:41
today. I think that the evolution model
1:38:44
really does not have the answers.
1:38:47
As we, I know it doesn't have the answers mutation via
1:38:50
selection creating these populations over Generations is
1:38:54
false. It is falsified proves that in
1:38:58
the beginning. We started with a perfect
1:39:00
genetic code and then it got corrupted and then mutations
1:39:04
have accumulated over time. Decreasing the lifespan.
1:39:07
We die from Ian's. And so I think that it's
1:39:12
important to point out. The Big Bang model is, is false
1:39:15
to claim that all matter existed in energy.
1:39:18
Form in a infinitesimally, small dot is beyond absurd and does
1:39:23
not have any scientific backing in order for it to be science,
1:39:26
it has to be demonstratable testable and repeatable.
1:39:30
And like I said, if I'm wrong on any of these matters, I am
1:39:32
compelled by reason to change. And that's the difference
1:39:35
between my model and mr. Jones's model is that Evolution,
1:39:41
they're always going to come up with rescue devices for it.
1:39:44
When you point out, okay, water could not have been what life
1:39:48
started in because water scatters aren't a it scatters
1:39:50
DNA. In fact, when the FBI does
1:39:53
research on people that have died when they do forensics,
1:39:57
they look at somebody that died in water versus somebody that
1:39:59
died in fire. The fire, the person that died
1:40:02
up in the fire died. In fire is actually, they can
1:40:04
trace the DNA better because Fire doesn't scatter.
1:40:07
The DNA molecules as much as water.
1:40:09
Does water scatters DNA when somebody dies in water.
1:40:12
It's hard. A lot of times for forensic,
1:40:15
people to identify what's going on in their white because it
1:40:18
scatters the DNA that means, that life is more likely to
1:40:21
start abiogenesis, the theory who's proposing in this
1:40:24
discussion is more likely to happen in a grill.
1:40:29
A hot fiery Grill, then in the water?
1:40:33
But people that don't think about this, don't think through
1:40:35
what they're saying they'll say well bubblies bubbling within
1:40:38
the broths of the ocean with some chemical soup, I'm sorry.
1:40:42
Chemicals, destroy life soup destroys life.
1:40:46
I'm sorry, our ancestor was not can't bail soup.
1:40:49
That got eroded off of some granite rock.
1:40:52
Our ancestors were Adam and Eve. Y chromosome, Adam mitochondrial
1:40:57
eve. And we can verify that they
1:40:58
lived in the distant past via mutation rates.
1:41:01
And that there was a flood about 4,500 years ago and I've shown
1:41:04
the geological evidence of that. And so in closing, I just want
1:41:08
to encourage people that are listening to do, the research.
1:41:11
Don't believe what I'm saying, simply do the research yourself
1:41:15
and I think mr. Jones would probably say the
1:41:17
same thing. So, mr.
1:41:18
Jones, just want to say, thanks for thanks for the invitation.
1:41:23
And I thought overall it got heated but I did think it was a
1:41:26
good discussion and I want to wish you the best, take care.
1:41:31
Mr. Jones, you to my own, thank you for coming on and accepting
1:41:38
the invitation to this discussion.
1:41:41
I want to wish you and your family and everybody at dinosaur
1:41:44
Adventure Land. All the very best I really do
1:41:47
mean that. Let me see.
1:41:50
I've heard an awful lot of evolution bashing.
1:41:55
I've heard a lot of Big Bang Theory bashing but Genesis
1:42:00
bashing Bob's not heard any evidence so far for God Only
1:42:06
Time, space and matter, and, but I just don't know.
1:42:13
Yes, I've done research. Yes, I went to Sunday school.
1:42:16
When I was a kid, read the Bible.
1:42:19
And I question the Bible, when I was a kid, you know.
1:42:22
I know I asked I can snakes talk and, you know, and all the rest
1:42:26
of Italy, the usual, the usual stuff when you, when you were a
1:42:29
child, What I've heard. No evidence for and no evidence
1:42:37
for creation. Only God did it and it says it
1:42:42
in the Bible that God did it. But God the Bible is the word of
1:42:46
God, but it's circular reasoning.
1:42:47
And Matt said he has a problem with circular hole.
1:42:50
Certainly, there is a problem with circular reasoning, so I
1:42:56
honestly don't know. I'm like, I say, I want to thank
1:43:00
obviously, get Keen for Alston this as well.
1:43:03
And Yes, I do encourage people to look into it because there is
1:43:09
no scientific evidence for the Supernatural and God is
1:43:15
apparently Supernatural. There's no scientific evidence
1:43:17
for this none whatsoever that there is no, there is no
1:43:22
scientific evidence. In the Bible, the Bible is
1:43:25
factually incorrect. The Bible describes, the Earth
1:43:28
is flat and obviously we know that the Earth isn't flat Bible
1:43:32
describes whales as fish and We know that they are not fish.
1:43:35
Why would God puts whales in the sea and make them breathe the
1:43:40
atmosphere. It seems crazy to me.
1:43:44
But, you know, I just like to obviously just finish on this
1:43:49
point. Yes.
1:43:50
Do your own research and come to your own conclusions.
1:43:57
What don't? It's difficult?
1:44:00
It's difficult. Yeah, just do your own research.
1:44:02
Come to your own conclusions. And I just wish everybody.
1:44:08
The best everyone in the side chat.
1:44:10
I wish mats and his family, all the best which wrecking and his
1:44:13
family. All the very best and I hope you
1:44:16
live long and prosper prosperous lives and you know, and just do
1:44:21
well in whatever you choose to do.
1:44:25
And once again, thanks. Thank you to everybody.
1:44:28
Thanks to Matt, and thanks for Brett and thanks to everything,
1:44:30
the side chat, as well. All right.
1:44:35
Goodbye, ladies and gentlemen, and God bless.