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Episode 227: EA sells to the Saudis · WASD and Beyond

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Reception and WSD and beyond. And without further ado, let's
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get right into the show. I am still sinking my teeth so
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far deep into Silk Song. Yeah.
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How have you been feeling about it as you've as time has gone on
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here? Good, good.
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So I still love it. I still think it's a near
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perfect experience. I'm not going to be.
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Sorry. I'm trying to tread.
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No, you're good. I'm trying to tread lightly
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because I think this episode's already going to be divisive.
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You know what I mean? I think.
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It'll be something. I'm not trying to piss off the
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Silk song people, but there are parts in the game sure where I
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think it is. It's not like too hard, but
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there's like just bullshit moments that like, yes, the game
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is trying to teach you and equip you with the items and the tools
3:03
to, to complete these areas. But at the same time I'm
3:06
noticing I'm like, OK, well, this is just bullshit.
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I'm in a fucking bullshit area and I, I hate this area, but
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it's a great fucking game. Like I love the game.
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I I'm having a blast with it. Yeah, I mean, I need to play
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more of it. I only put like 15 minutes into
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it, but I enjoyed what I played like I enjoyed those 15 minutes.
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I want to play more because it's not typically my style of game,
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but I I like a challenge and like, as you've, as you've seen,
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like this week, I have actually sunk a lot of my time into God
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of War Ragnarok spell Halla mode.
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So like, and and that's a different type of challenge,
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obviously, but like, well, I guess not really.
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I mean, at the end of the day, they're both like melee esque,
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you know, combat games. It's just yours as a 2D
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platformer of mine isn't. But like inherently I think
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they're both difficult in their own ways.
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Valhalla especially is there's no difficulty.
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So it just is hard in in some way.
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Like I didn't play the. Same thing, there's no
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difficulty. Yeah, yeah, I remember.
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Yeah. There's nothing you can select.
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I mean, in the campaign for God of War, the story you can choose
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like, I think it's like, give me story, you know, give me balance
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or and then there's like, give me God of War, which is the
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hardest. Valhalla is just like, here you
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go. Have fun.
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So I find that like certain enemies that I would dispatch no
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problem in the story are like actually kind of difficult.
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And then that tricks me because I go like, I'll take this out
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and then it's like one hit and that's a quarter of my health.
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And I'm like, OK, I didn't know they had.
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Any you got to figure this out like yeah.
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Like, all right. So yeah, I mean, I like even
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fighting the first boss and Silk Song, I definitely had a moment
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there where I got a little too close to dying and I was like,
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OK, like yeah, you got to be careful.
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I beat it in one go. It's not that difficult.
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But like, no, it was definitely one of those things where I I
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was like, oh, you get hit. It's kind of like like cup head.
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It's like as soon as you're you touch an enemy, you're
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immediately taking. Yeah, which that's what always
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kills me, usually. I get very frustrated with like
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enemy touch damage. Yeah, it's like, dude, like I
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don't mind. Like if I run right into an
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enemy, I get that. But if like I'm this close and
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like the pixel, like just grazes, that's so shit.
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And that happens a lot in this game.
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You get put in a lot of scenarios where it's like you're
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putting me in an arena that is this big with enemies that are
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this big, and then smaller enemies making.
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Small boxes for the audience. Yeah, yeah, small and big
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circles, but whatever. But no, I love the game.
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Having a blast. Shapes everybody.
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It's it's great. I love it and I continue.
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I will continue to play it. It's it's fantastic.
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I haven't beaten it yet. I don't I think I'm close maybe,
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but I'm trying to really savor the moment.
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How are you in Dying Light the Beast going?
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Pretty good. I've taken a bit more of a break
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from it this week. Or well, no, last time I played
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it was, I don't know, it would have been Sunday.
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Yeah. So so far I've been taking a bit
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of a break. It's been fun.
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I'm at a point right now where I'm trying to find other things
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to do so I can level up my character so I can get access to
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some higher level powers. But but there are certain areas
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where like I can't even remember the last thing I did in that
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game. But it was I was just at a point
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where I I'm sorry, excuse me, I loaded in and I immediately
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remembered where I was at and I loaded out and I was just like
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I, I think it was. I'm at a point where I'm just
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like, I'm not tired of the game, but I'm also like, I don't want
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to do this right now. So I just like I loaded it up,
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saw it and went, I'll take care of that later.
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And like it was like I'll get back to it.
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I don't know how far along I am in the store.
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There's not a percentage point, but like if I had to guess, I'm
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36 hours in. My brother has beaten it and has
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51. So I can't imagine that I'm too
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far off. Speaking of other progressing
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games that I'm I'm in, I just plugged in the PS-5 and updated
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it today and I am 61% of the way through Death Stranding too, so
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I will not finish it by Thursday, but I am not.
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I am not far from finishing it, which is nice, and I'm excited
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to play it now. I'll actually be on the PS-5 a
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bit more because of Ghost of Yota which I have downloaded so
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I'm excited. I will be also pre ordering that
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game and playing it on my PS-5 upstairs on the big ass TV.
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Yes, I'm very excited because the the PS-5 or the the target
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for like the PS-5 for Ghost of Yotai is a 1440P60FPS
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experience, which is what my my main monitor is, which is what I
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play on. So I'm excited to hopefully get
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that and I, I love that I basically didn't move anything
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from my setup of desk training. So like it was literally just
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like cable here, cable there, plug in or good to go.
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Like just had to re download the Elgato capture and like that was
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it, it was done. So I'm very excited to be able
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to, to play that on Thursday. But yeah, I mean, Dying Light
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has been good. I think it's still a great game.
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I think people who like those styles of game should play them,
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play it with friends. Like really like, I think the
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important thing about this type of game is to play it with your
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buddies. I mean, that's what made Left
8:24
for Dead fun. That's what made I think,
8:27
couldn't you play one of the dead risings together with
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someone? Was it 2?
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I think it was 3, two or three. I was like, one of them gave you
8:35
the ability to play with another person, which was I thought was
8:37
kind of fun. Back in the day.
8:39
Dead Island obviously gave you that experience.
8:43
Dead Island, Riptide and then dying like one and two as well
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as like the DLC and like this is as if you are following anything
8:52
in video games or if you follow anything or have seen anything
8:55
with Dying Light. It is the highest reviewed Dying
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Light game. So yeah, again, I reckon I
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recommend people who are into it play it.
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If you maybe want to wait, it might be on sale for Christmas.
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So sweet. Check about them.
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But yeah, no, that's what I've been been doing other than yeah,
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God of War, that's been cool. My thing.
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Cool, cool, cool. You ready to talk about some not
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fun stuff? I was hoping I was trying you if
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if for the listeners. I don't know if you could tell I
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was trying desperately to hold on to some good vibes just by a
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thread because what? We are at the 10 1/2 minute mark
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and we're about to get into some really bad topics.
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So this is either going to make people listen to the show or
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that not listen to the show for the rest of the episode, right?
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So EA is being acquired. Yes.
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By the Saudis and Jared Kushner. Jared Kushner's firm, Affinity
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Partners, it is an investment firm in a private equity, a
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private equity fund called Silver Lake and then the
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government of Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund, which is
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like a sovereign wells fund. So those 3, I'll just say like
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organizations to be general, came together and are purchasing
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EA and taking a private for $55 billion.
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This is the biggest, right? This is the biggest acquisition.
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It is the largest leveraged buyout I think in history
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because it was like a Texas Electric company that was 30
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billion, that was a couple years ago, but it is only the second
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largest acquisition or like transaction and video games
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because Microsoft paid 71 billion or whatever for
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Activision Blizzard. According to EA, the transaction
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positions the publisher of Madden, Apex Legends and The
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Sims to accelerate innovation and growth to build the future
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of entertainment. Another thing that was kind of
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announced today was that the new owners coming in to the EA fold.
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So those 3 organizations plan on doing significant cost cutting
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by implementing AI in a lot of ways.
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So, which I imagine will have a lot of quality issues.
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What that also means is layoffs. So as if the industry wasn't big
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layoffs, big layoffs. So what the man?
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This sucks. I mean what do you say about
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this? I mean when when Xbox did it, we
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all approached it with rose colored glasses on the show.
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We really did. Looking back in hindsight with
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more knowledge that I have now and again not having Brody on
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this episode. Luckily, I have Evan because you
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you. Are able to I I wish we had
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Brody man right now I don't. Know Brody could really dig
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deep, but we can't not talk about it.
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Consider this. Part 1 Potentially.
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Yeah, well, and if it's a personal episode, it's a
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personal episode. And that's fine.
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We can get Brody on that and be like, this is the facts.
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But like, yeah, when Xbox did it, we all looked at it like,
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oh, OK, it's it's still in house, it's still gaming, but
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still not good because people lost jobs, things were getting
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slashed. Projects now like Perfect Dark
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just will not see the light of day because they went.
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That's not going to make us money if Xbox is doing that.
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Well. This investment firm like the
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Saudis, Jared Kushner's thing and all of that.
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The private equity firm, yeah. They're actually, Oh no, we're
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not releasing that. That's not going to give us any
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return. And that's what they're looking
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for here. I mean, part of this includes
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that basically EA will be settled with $20 billion in debt
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right from the outset of the deal being done.
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So that means they're going to have to optimize a lot of cash
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making like flow to, I'm assuming, start paying that off.
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So I, I think if I were to say that in simple terms, I, I think
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that would mean, you know, leveraging how they can make
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more microtransactions or how they can sell more bundles or if
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they can do other collabs. I don't know if collabs cost the
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money or they get money for that.
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I'm I'm assuming they would pay us a.
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Certain amount of money, yeah. So like, yeah, I mean, and
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that's kind of I think what Nick was meaning to with like the
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perfect dark studio is like, I think Xbox inherently can't make
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that because they spent $70 billion to buy Bethesda.
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So I think your activation, Blizzard, sorry, but like, I
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think that you weren't even going to correct me on that, by
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the way. I just saw you staring at the
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camera like that. You're a bad guy, you.
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Got this. No, I just, I, I don't think
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it's a good thing either because like, as, as Nick said, we, we
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wanted it to be a good thing and it turned out, I think not to be
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for that whole acquisition. But I, I think this is a bit
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different because this is like this feels like your uncle who's
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never played video games is coming over to like take, take
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the Xbox. And the industry?
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And like and like show you how to play it.
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It's like you never even touch this old man.
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Well, like I said, the industry already feels like that.
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It's like, what do kids love in Call of Duty?
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Well, everyone likes Beavis and Butthead.
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Still no. No kid knows Beavis and Butthead
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now. I know Beavis.
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Well they they know Beavis and Butthead now because of it being
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in cars. But now and Fortnite, right.
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So like now they know, oh, those are the silly guys that dance
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now it's Beavis. Like that's like taking Herman
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Munster and throwing him in Fortnite.
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People like, oh, is that Frankenstein?
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I'd be like, no, it's Herman. Shut up.
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You're 5, you know, so it's like that's what it that's what it
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feels like, dude. It's like, OK, So what?
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What do they know? Unless you're my thing is and
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there's no, I don't think there's a good silver lining
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here. I really don't.
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I would agree. So are you just going to come in
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and throw money at shit then if you if that's what you're going
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to do. But here's the thing that the
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the there's an expected return here.
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I wouldn't say that there's no, I think the only, and again, I
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wish we had Birdie on because he would be able to explain this.
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I think the only silver lining that you could really consider
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is if things get so bad, they'll sell the IPS.
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But then again, they can be sold to anybody.
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There's no guarantee that they're going to sell it to
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another video game company, especially if there's some
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company that comes in and wants to just buy the rights and not
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do anything with. Them they could put anything
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they want on ice though too. Oh yeah.
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Well, I mean, like I said, well, if we, if we, if we're not going
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to make it, you can't make that. Like I say, you know, like to
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some people who might disagree, I say let's wait and see
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obviously, because obviously we won't, you know, we won't know
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anything until these things happen.
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But at the same time, I think you have to.
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What have I have, I have always remarked on this and how people,
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companies like that and people especially at the top end
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positions of power, people with influence seem to make the most
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illogical decisions. But it's like, yeah, it's like
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there are things that just don't compute.
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Like I remember when we were talking about the Activision
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Blizzard, like sexual harassment stuff.
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I remember bringing up like there is a there's a woman at at
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Blizzard who there was only two people in the company.
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I think that that had her job title.
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It was her and a man and the man was making more money than her.
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And she came to her boss and she like was professional and said
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she wanted to be matched in terms of pay.
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Because the only two of them that do the job, you know, a
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fair request, one that I think is perfectly, that's more than
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adequate. Warranted.
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Yeah, exactly. They like, just like shit candor
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or something like that. And they're like, they just
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like, basically told her no and then like just kept her around.
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And like, I think eventually, like, she just never got what
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she wanted. And she ended up like having to
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sue and they went back and fought it with her.
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And it's like, I feel like it would have been cheaper if you
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guys had just made her pay equal.
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Like inherently didn't you spend more money on the lawyers and
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the whole shebang of trying to figure?
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This thing out dog and pony show bro.
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But like, what are you doing? Because you're just making this
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thing needlessly, like, I don't know, like you said, I guess.
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Because they can drag it out forever.
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She cannot. That's true.
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Yeah. No, that's, that's fair.
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But I mean, like, that's just as I think that points to a sad
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state of affairs if that's the way we think of things, is that.
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Well, look at everything. That's what I'm saying is like
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you need, we need to approach that with an honest.
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That's what I'm saying is that like, could this thing turn out
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to be good in some possible chance?
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Potentially, but I think history should show that that's not
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going to be the case. I think that it.
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Several jokes that could be made right now.
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I think that there will be. I think the way it's going to go
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is that the things that they know will not make them a lot of
18:20
money will just be canned immediately.
18:24
Like, yeah, if there is a Mass Effect for being made, I imagine
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that will go. If there is any sort of I would
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I would hesitate to say. I don't know how much money Apex
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Legends makes EA, but I would guarantee that there probably
18:39
won't be much content made for it moving forward.
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It might go the way of there. Will never be a Titanfall 3.
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Oh, they yeah, that's never going to happen.
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I. Even if it was thought of, it'll
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never happen. I think it's also important to
18:50
remember too, that it's not really the IPS we need to worry
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about, it's the studios. Like if they, if they, I mean,
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they could just consolidate some of these studios into doing
18:59
other things too. Like, I mean, fuck, Battlefield
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has its Battlefield studios. It's six different fucking
19:03
studios working on this. It's like Ripple effect.
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And I think that's used to be DICE LA and then there's DICE
19:11
Stockholm and then there's Criterion.
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There's like there's like our Visceral, like there's all the
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like 6 different studios working on the game.
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And it's like what? Why do you need this many people
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to do this many things? Like you had DICE LA and DICE
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Stockholm and I think maybe one other DICE that did like 3:00
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and 4:00. And it's like, why do you need
19:33
like 6 like almost double the studio amount just to put out a
19:39
potentially mediocre product? Because I saw like even the
19:42
campaign's not going to like the campaign apparently is not as
19:45
good as the multiplayer, like in terms of just outright quality
19:48
of things because the studio that made it has had to like
19:51
rush it. And it's like, so the game's
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going to come out feeling like it's like that.
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It's like that meme of the horse where it's like some of it's
19:58
shitty, shittily drawn, and the other is like a very
20:00
professional drawing. It's like that.
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Like, you're going to have this really awful doodle for the
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campaign, and then you're going to have like the battle Royale
20:08
and the multiplayer be this portrait.
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Big beautiful thing, yeah. But like and going back to the
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whole thing of EA in Saudi Arabia, I think that you're
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going to get more of those shitty drawings for your games.
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You're not or you're just out right not going to see them, I
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think. Not even the shitty drawings,
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bro. I think you're going to get a
20:26
lot of games that want to talk about topics that they're not
20:31
going to be allowed to do. They're going to be told no,
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we're not doing that. We're not touching that.
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I mean, it's so, yeah, we should say that this is to take it
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private as well. So like in some capacity, I
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believe they still have to answer to shareholders, but I
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don't know if there's like necessarily going to be some
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sort of fiduciary responsibility to make as much money as
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possible. I mean, they're going to try to
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they're going to try to as much as they can.
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But yeah, I think you're right. I think that there's a serious
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question that comes into about with the new owners.
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Are they going to change the the culture of the games that are
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produced under EA, you know, is that are they going to have
21:12
certain rules for certain things, you know, or are they
21:15
really not going to care about that?
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I don't know. I can't presume to say, you
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know, Birdie had told me that, you know, mostly I, I think what
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at least the the Saudi government wants is probably
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FIFA. Yeah, I'm sure.
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Then then take it and fuck off. You know, like just, but just
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like let people impregnate men in The Sims, you know what I'm
21:38
saying? Like nothing.
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Just don't give a fuck, right? Leave the shit alone.
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I love take your media dancer to you know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, because that's a problem, right?
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So that's a point of contention for I mean, dude, Jared
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Kushner's in on this. I know, yeah.
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And he's a fascist. Yeah.
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He's a scumbag. Mm hmm.
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OK, so. And then we got to be I'm tip
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tone here, but I'm getting more fucking frustrated thinking
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about this shit and there's so many different like points and
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connections I can make. Like would you would OK, It's
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like OK, so like let's say like a certain country right now that
22:19
is on the hot seat bought Ubisoft.
22:24
Yeah. Or Naughty Dog, let's let's say
22:26
Naughty Dog, let's say a certain country, you know.
22:30
Well, you find that you're looking at.
22:32
Me because you can go to anything right now.
22:34
Yeah, imagine if some company or some country bought Valve and
22:37
said fuck. You that can't happen.
22:39
Well, it just can't happen because they're already just
22:41
like fuck off, leave us alone. You hear this audience.
22:45
You hear this, audience? Really quick I'm I'm a.
22:47
Good delusion. Really quick, really quick, real
22:49
quick during the committee meeting that Gabe Newell has to
22:55
go to. If that is how Halfway 3 is
22:59
announced, I'm going to freak out in a bad way.
23:04
I think it'd be really funny if the Saudi investment fund bought
23:07
Valve now just to see you sweat solely because you are you.
23:11
Trying to get punched in the mouth.
23:13
I'd like to see you try just because it's very funny to look
23:16
at you right now because you sat there with this.
23:19
I'm not going to lie. Shit eating grin as you drank
23:22
that whiskey. Well that can't happen.
23:25
Like OK, I'm sure. More.
23:27
More now because you've depressed me.
23:28
I'm sure anything can happen Sir, but anyway.
23:31
Valve is already like private. The money is money.
23:37
Gabe Newell doesn't need it. Money is money.
23:40
There's a lot of people at a yay who don't need that money.
23:43
Gabe Newell is not those people. Let's focus.
23:45
Don't start with me. Sorry audience, I'm having a
23:51
good time over here. All I'm saying is if that's all
23:53
Half Life 3's announced during a house committee meeting with
23:56
Valve and fucking Discord, I am going to just put my head in my
24:01
hands and go. At least I know it's real like.
24:04
At least I know it's. Real, you know, but like no,
24:07
dude, like that's, that is a concern of mine.
24:10
Or like I, I was going to say over here in the West, we don't
24:14
have to worry about censorship, but that's not true either.
24:16
But for the most part our media like video games, music, it,
24:22
it's not really censored. There's not there's, there's a
24:25
line that people do not typically cross, but things are
24:30
discussed through music, video games and television and movies.
24:37
So I don't need video games to be Australia's a perfect
24:40
example. If a game crosses the line for
24:44
their government boom band or you got to make that change for
24:47
our region. Ridiculous, Ridiculous.
24:50
Yeah, I'd agree. You know, so it's like, I don't
24:52
need that over here where it's like GTA 6 comes out and it's
24:55
like, remove the bong, remove the sex, remove the carjacking.
24:59
And also you can't hit like anybody in this game.
25:02
Right, right. I don't need that to start
25:06
happening because once it happens to one company, my
25:08
problem is other companies get hit with that snowball too.
25:13
I think that'll, I think that'll be an interesting thing because
25:16
I don't think other companies will abide by EA, whatever EA
25:20
does. No, I don't think so either.
25:21
But I'm what I'm saying is like, oh, look at look at them now,
25:23
like look how much money they just got.
25:25
It's like, well, bigger top head not thinking of shit, you know?
25:31
So The thing is, is that I think that I mean EA inherently, what
25:36
do they have that's been that's done even decently?
25:39
Madden. Madden FC has not been received
25:42
very well this year at least. Neither is Madden.
25:45
And probably not Madden. I mean, Madden itself has been
25:47
fun. I've enjoyed playing it
25:48
personally. But yeah, I don't know how the
25:50
wider public has felt about. It all the ice but like I'm just
25:55
getting frustrated so I'm drinking.
25:57
You're good. So like I think there's just a
26:01
point for me where I'm like I'm thinking about it from a
26:05
perspective of like what do they have to offer?
26:07
Like they they're a big company. They got a lot of games, but
26:10
like, they're not inherently interested in making the like I
26:17
don't think they're really interested in making a
26:18
battlefield. I I don't think or or or
26:22
dictating how a battlefield should.
26:24
Be well if it makes them money I'm sure they'll they'll fuck
26:27
off. But you and I have discussed
26:29
this. If Battlefield 6 has issues
26:32
gaining the money it needs to make, you may not get a
26:36
Battlefield 7 and this. We could look back at this
26:40
episode in a year from now and have shoe in mouth.
26:43
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm. If that's the case, that could
26:45
be the that's. Fine.
26:46
I'm hoping that's the case. I just don't think this is good.
26:51
I don't think any large acquisition like this is good
26:54
for the industry, especially at the the biggest thing right now
26:57
to think about as the consumer, yeah, our games, but as people
27:02
who look at the industry a bit deeper is the people who are
27:06
about to get fucked by this deal.
27:08
Yeah. Yeah, we will be.
27:10
And I mean if I may. Yes.
27:15
Sorry that if you're too far away from the video game side of
27:19
things here, but I think, you know, it'd be one thing if it
27:23
was three companies buying this, but the fact that it one of
27:29
them, one of the major investors in this is the government of
27:33
Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund.
27:36
That does present me with some questions or some like I guess
27:42
issues that I I would, I don't know if cleared up is the right
27:46
word or if I just plain don't feel good about it.
27:48
Not entirely sure how I feel still, but like this is not a
27:53
government that I would want to live under myself.
27:58
And the fact that they are now able to like essentially dictate
28:01
sort of where a a certain game might go, you know, I don't know
28:06
if they're, I don't believe their thing says anything about
28:09
like they have no creative control.
28:12
I mean, at the end of the day, they can probably just say
28:13
whatever they want. Andrew Wilson is supposed to
28:15
stay on his CEO, but who knows if that's like a legit thing or
28:18
if he's just going to. Stay on for six.
28:20
Months and then get out. Yeah, like, who knows?
28:23
But like, yeah, you know, I mean, as we talked about just
28:27
before we started recording, this is the same government that
28:32
had a journalist grinded up with bone saws for saying for
28:37
reporting on things that they didn't like.
28:39
And to be to be clear, we have no issue with Saudi Arabian
28:44
people, Yeah. It's.
28:48
It being with the it's not like CDPR because the Polish
28:50
government gives grants for Polish entertainment and stuff
28:55
which is which is what helps Cyberpunk right?
28:59
This is like the actual government is involved in EA
29:03
now. That is like if our government
29:11
bought anything video game related and it's like you
29:15
started to see a bit more and more and more and more
29:17
propaganda or a bit more of a push, right.
29:21
So like you're playing Madden in every fucking, I don't know,
29:24
dude, fucking 4th down that goes to commercial break.
29:27
And it's like, have you thought about listening to the army?
29:30
Well, that's not good for a 14 year old.
29:33
Yeah, well, and all of this is part of their push because they
29:36
don't want to be, I, I was listening about this earlier,
29:38
but like part of this like from Saudi Arabia's side is that this
29:41
is their push to not be so reliant on oil for their
29:43
economic output. Like so they created the Savvy
29:47
Games Group and acquired the monopoly Go publisher Scopely.
29:52
They acquired the Niantic creator, the company that was
29:57
behind Pokémon Go. They also have, they already had
30:00
a stake in EA, they have a stake in Nintendo, Take Two, Capcom,
30:03
Nexon, Embracer Group. But yeah, I mean, even to just
30:09
go to an example of a game that was not well received,
30:12
particularly for, I think some of the things around this.
30:14
But I don't think it's not because those issues are
30:16
inherently I, I think it's more of how Dragon Age handled it
30:21
more than anything else. But like, yeah, I mean, Dragon
30:26
Age got a lot of Flack for having some conversations where
30:30
they were talking about people who are non binary.
30:32
And like I said, I have no inherent problem with that being
30:35
in the game. I think that that could have
30:36
been a really great conversation and a really good opportunity to
30:39
sort of provide some sort of support or show like some sort
30:44
of solidarity with that group of.
30:46
People, or maybe educate those who may.
30:48
Not be. Aware of like how?
30:50
This like myself. You know, yeah, you.
30:52
Know, you know, but it didn't it didn't come off that way to a
30:55
lot of people. And even when I was listening to
30:57
it and I listened to it completely, I was just trying to
30:59
understand it, but I just was like, this reads like I'm
31:01
reading it from a textbook or I'm being lectured.
31:03
Like it doesn't feel like I'm in a game, right?
31:06
I don't feel like I'm in a game right now.
31:08
It just feels odd and like out of place.
31:11
Not out of place in the sense that it's wrong, but just how do
31:13
you like the way it's being talked about?
31:15
It feels like it's a modern sentence and not grounded in
31:19
some sort of reality in the way that they would be living it in
31:23
the game. Or discussing it in a fantasy.
31:26
Or discussing, yeah, discussing it in a fantastical environment
31:29
or a fantastical sense, you know, in that sort of way.
31:33
But like Mass Effect, you can have same sex romance Sims, you
31:39
can have same sex romance. You can get a man pregnant in
31:41
The Sims. Like.
31:44
Like. That's cool.
31:46
Whatever EA has had the best place to work badge by the Human
31:51
Rights Campaign for LGBTQ plus equality.
31:55
Like that's a huge thing and like they're very proud of that
31:58
Like they're very they're like EA is very proud of that fact,
32:01
as you should be and they should be yes, absolutely.
32:05
And yet they're being acquired by a partially by a government
32:10
that that absolutely doesn't even believe those those people
32:12
have the right to exist. You know, I mean, it's just I
32:18
think that there are people who maybe are like us when it came
32:21
to the Activision Blizzard acquisition where they're trying
32:24
to see this through row stinting classes.
32:26
You know, I specifically know people who one of them that even
32:30
said, you know, like this helps because now they don't have to
32:33
answer to those shareholders that were just like didn't care
32:37
about games. And while I agree, I don't think
32:40
they cared about games. It's weird with, with them with,
32:47
with the shareholders and with how things are in the world and
32:49
how games are made inherently under capitalism.
32:51
You you would I I I come to expect it, yes They're going to
32:54
monetize the shit out of every game because they will literally
32:57
get sued if they don't make as much money as possible which is
33:00
like insane to me. To think of it that way, because
33:03
of the state we're in, we'll never get the next Prey game.
33:07
Probably not. No more Dead Space remakes.
33:10
And they weren't even going to do that anyway because they that
33:13
for them, did not make them enough money.
33:16
But it was well, you'll never get that.
33:19
You'll never get another American Mcgee's Alice, which is
33:23
a very loved series. Yeah, Titanfall three, you can
33:26
fucking kiss that good the fuck by.
33:29
Respond Entertainment itself, maybe?
33:31
Like there's you can you, OK, You can bring up the
33:34
shareholders. That's great.
33:36
So you have a pile of shit in one hand, but then you have a
33:38
pile of fucking shit in the other hand.
33:39
You go, which shit is better? Because you're not.
33:42
Yeah. You're not answering to
33:43
shareholders. You're answering to a fucking
33:45
government owned thing. Right, right.
33:49
And that's. Yeah.
33:51
It's just a different pile of shit you just stepped in.
33:54
Yeah, I, I don't really know how.
33:59
I don't know. I just, I wish, again, I wish
34:03
you were a birdie here because he would be able to help a lot
34:05
more with the financial side of things.
34:06
But like with when it comes to like this, the, the morality
34:12
behind it, it is one of those things where it's like my money
34:18
for my EA Play Pro subscription is going to that.
34:22
And I mean, to be perfectly honest, it's not like I was
34:24
happy with my where my money was going to before, but it was
34:28
something where I knew that it was going to an American
34:31
company. And I know that it's going to an
34:33
American company now, but those owners are no longer an American
34:37
company partially, you know, and again, it's if it was just Saudi
34:43
Arabic oil company or any other type of company from Saudi
34:46
Arabia wouldn't care about the fact that it's the government is
34:51
is my issue like. It's.
34:57
Tough it's it's very funny because I don't hear the same
35:02
people who are sort of happy about this that I know are the
35:05
same people who would be like keep politics out of games guys.
35:08
Like I don't like to see like gay people in video games.
35:12
Like I don't like to see gay people in Baldur's Gate.
35:14
And it's like, you're totally fine with like, I mean, there's
35:17
like a whole injection of like geopolitical shit now added into
35:20
EA because of this. Like, you know and and like, so
35:25
I don't hear you saying anything now, so you don't.
35:28
Just get to. Doesn't make sense to me.
35:30
It doesn't compute because it's like it feels illogical to to
35:33
think that way. We're like, sure, you can argue
35:35
that point all you want that you don't want politics and games
35:37
and politics have always been in games is probably going to be my
35:40
argument for that because it's the same way how movies and TV
35:43
shows and. Art and everything has ever been
35:44
expression of those behind it. Some games don't.
35:48
Some games you don't, you don't do everything.
35:51
No, you don't. I'm not advocating that
35:54
everything they should be about politics.
35:55
I'm advocating for the fact that if people want to make their
35:59
games with undertones or inspirations from the times
36:01
they're living in, whether it relates to culture or politics
36:05
or whatever, that's fine. That's the point.
36:07
Well, look back at Warhammer. This is easy.
36:10
This is an easy thing. Warhammer was a reflection of
36:13
them and how they viewed their lives in England at the time and
36:18
the government they were like. That is what Warhammer is a
36:22
parody of. So even something as just not
36:26
the Warhammer simple, but even something like Warhammer where
36:29
it's a lot of grim dark kill Maine burn, you know, I mean.
36:34
Like, well, it's, it's, it's not even that it's a very
36:37
depressing. I think people are unaware of
36:39
how depressing, if you're not a Warhammer fan, how depressing
36:43
that world is where it's like, again, you know, when I was
36:47
first getting into it, you know, you explained like the normal
36:49
day for somebody like me who would just be living a normal
36:51
job in a high world that's like, you live in a cramped apartment.
36:55
The things you eat are dead if you even.
36:56
Have an apartment. Yeah, yeah.
36:58
If you even aren't living in just like a shared living space
37:00
or something like that. But like you, you know, you
37:03
would basically suffer through the day, every day.
37:05
You would just toil an endless life and you would just be one
37:08
of many other billions that die. And and like you were like the
37:11
point of it is that you're nothing and and like it goes
37:15
Even so far to go that for the the emperor's angels where even
37:18
them it's their glory to die as countless others have before and
37:23
countless others. Well, and it was, as you said,
37:26
it's a reflection of the the way that they felt, you know, And I
37:34
think that makes for really, it makes for a really compelling
37:36
fantasy series. It makes for a really compelling
37:39
story. It makes for. 45 years, 4045
37:41
years later. I mean, the, the horrors heresy
37:43
books have given me some, like even just the first two I've
37:46
read have given me some incredible moments of like
37:49
camaraderie between, you know, brothers and so.
37:54
Are we, are we going to segue into warhead?
37:55
We can. I mean, we can, but like more to
37:59
my point was that it's OK for games to be inspired by current
38:04
events or past events or anything, you know, like that.
38:09
And I'm OK with that. I'm OK with games not having
38:14
that. I'm OK with games just being fun
38:15
and enjoyable and trying to take the the real worldness out of
38:19
it. At the end of the day, that's
38:20
why I play play because it's a world I can escape to and that
38:25
is something that I think is going to be missing from a lot
38:29
of games with EAI Think after a little bit, I think it'll be
38:32
fine for maybe a year. But then again, I don't know
38:39
where we're going to be when when this happens.
38:42
I mean, this is Q2 of next year, so that's what April, May, June,
38:48
so. It could.
38:49
Maybe it falls apart. And and even then it's, I think
38:52
it was actually even that might be like at the beginning of
38:54
2027. So it's like this two years from
38:56
now, like. It could fall apart.
38:58
Yeah and even then I won't care. May 2026 is GTA6I won't care
39:03
about any EA game that. Half Life 3 will be released
39:06
next year. OK.
39:09
Can we touch on the AI really quick though too?
39:11
Oh, about the that is. Yeah, whatever.
39:13
Yeah, that is. Awful.
39:15
Yeah, AI as a tool is OK as a tool, not as a creator as a
39:23
tool. Well, you got to.
39:25
Assist the developers, not as a sole creator though.
39:31
This is not something that should be used to actually make
39:36
and influence the game during development.
39:38
Well, so here I'll, I'll throw this up, you know, because I
39:41
I've these, I think a lot of these companies are developers
39:46
that use AI and have to disclaim that on Steam are intentionally
39:50
vague sometimes to not really explain what they use it for.
39:56
Arc Raiders has AAI like Notice and it says something about how
40:04
every single thing that the procedural stuff they use makes
40:08
is a true reflection of the creative team.
40:11
It is not something that they just like plug into an
40:13
algorithm. It puts things out and then they
40:15
throw it into the game. I'm assuming they go through it.
40:18
They do all that sort of stuff. And they've explained as well,
40:20
like, you know, when you hear gunshots, it's because we've
40:22
actually recorded gunshots. We're not just generating them,
40:25
you know, things like that. But what we, what I have learned
40:28
to understand from them is that what is generated or what is
40:31
procedural are the sounds that you hear when you're walking
40:35
around certain places. So like if you're walking
40:38
through a certain area in the map, that's a swamp, there are
40:41
hundreds of rules for that swamp as to what sounds you might
40:43
hear, whether it's frogs or, you know, like there's all these
40:50
different rules in place. And that I think is procedural.
40:52
That is, that is chosen by an AI and it's and that's where I'm
40:55
like, OK, because Embark is inherently, as they've said, a
40:59
small studio. These are the people who have
41:00
created the finals as well, by the way, And this is also their
41:04
first paid game. And, and I but I think that
41:08
reflects in the quality you're getting.
41:10
And I that's what I said as I was like, I think this is
41:12
probably made with AI because the fact that it was a tech test
41:15
and it ran so great and played so great, was very skeptical of
41:18
me. It was, it was very odd.
41:22
But like, I'm also in the, I'm at that point where I'm like,
41:25
but OK, they've, they've shown that they can use this in a way
41:27
where I feel like I could trust the team behind it, even though
41:32
they're using AI as a tool. And like, you know, it feels
41:36
like it's, it's one of those examples to me where it's like,
41:40
we don't know because I don't know what inherent job the, this
41:43
AI they're using might be taking, if any.
41:45
And they'll never tell us. And they'll never tell us.
41:47
But like, I want to, I'd like to be optimistic and thinking that
41:50
that this game is sort of the prime example of like, when it's
41:54
used correctly, yes, you can still have humans working on a
41:58
game, but maybe you don't need as many to stay small and light
42:01
and create the indie projects that you want to make, you know?
42:05
And who knows if they get a bunch of money from Mark
42:08
Raiders, who knows what they do if they try to make some single
42:10
player adventure that's a $60.00 game.
42:13
And it has even better immersion and level of detail.
42:18
And you know, yeah, maybe it is partially created by AI, but
42:22
like, if the experience that you're getting is so impressive,
42:24
it's on par with something else. But I feel right into the thing
42:28
of like you run into the blood diamond scenario at that point,
42:34
though, where like you have this beautiful ring on your wife's
42:37
finger. Do you you you gleefully or
42:42
blissfully rather ignore the fact that it came from a fucked
42:46
up mine. I see, Because it was just it.
42:49
It was the ring. That was it.
42:51
So OK, half life, I'll bring up half life, half life 3 or arc
42:54
Raiders story comes out, I play it.
42:59
I love it and then a year later I figure out it's well Valve
43:05
just said fuck it let's make it an AI.
43:07
Yeah, we'll just have an AI create we'll.
43:08
Have a couple guys, We'll have a couple guys.
43:10
We'll have do shit love an AI create all the animations
43:13
they'll. Feed exactly and we'll feed it
43:16
the story and see what it can do, right?
43:19
I would be conflicted. I'd be like, OK, this, I got
43:23
what I wanted, but it wasn't. There was no actual blood, sweat
43:28
and tear in this. Whereas like I know the sword
43:30
behind Half Life too. I know the story behind Legacy
43:33
of Cain and like Max Payne and all these games were these
43:38
people were on the verge of collapse.
43:41
Like the studios were going to close down, but it took strokes
43:45
of human genius and just human will to go.
43:49
Fuck that. Let's buckle down.
43:51
We got this. We're going to live in the Doom.
43:54
They were sleeping in the office.
43:55
John Romero and John Carmack were driving around in Ferraris
43:58
or Lamborghini. Not cool.
44:00
But yeah, I mean, it was like, it was.
44:05
It was like after. But also like they blew their
44:07
wad a little fast. And that's like, that is my that
44:13
is my conflict in my brain. It's like, yes, I as a tool
44:16
again, I'm in the greens. If you can make something easier
44:20
to help get the project going, great, but at the sacrifice of a
44:24
human job I don't agree with. I will never agree with that.
44:28
If you tell and, and people you know, I, I, I'll bring up like
44:31
McDonald's, right? Like, OK, AI for all McDonald's,
44:36
what the fuck ever. But then you better figure out a
44:38
way to replace those people's jobs and you better figure out a
44:41
way to compensate those people who are working out of
44:44
McDonald's until they're able to fucking figure it out or go, if
44:48
you don't want another job, then here's your pay a month.
44:50
Here's your fucking monthly whatever.
44:52
But in this instance, it's it's that this, this, this
44:56
conversation goes in so many different directions so fast and
44:59
you're hearing it from 2 dudes who just want to play video
45:03
games. We just want what we want.
45:05
And I want to continue to play games and make the connections
45:08
that I've made with the characters in these games, the
45:10
stories and my friends. I've met fuck because of video
45:14
games. I've met Evan, Brody, Logan,
45:17
fucking Steve, John, the entire Spawn camp Discord because of
45:21
gaming. Yeah.
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And I want those moments to continue on.
45:25
But I fear that as acquisitions happen as Discord and Valve and
45:31
everyone else is being taken to like the pose.
45:35
Look at it this way and in here. I'll, I'll pause at this.
45:38
If any anybody listening maybe thinks that we have a problem
45:42
just because it's it's it's Saudi Arabia.
45:45
If if the United States government announced that they
45:48
were investing 20% of a stake into Take Two tomorrow out of
45:53
the way that they did 10% of Intel, yeah, I would definitely
45:56
go, oh, I have a problem with that.
46:00
I would not be OK with that. I would not think no, that's
46:02
ridiculous. If it was a sovereign wealth
46:03
fund of the United States, which we now have, but like that's my
46:07
point is like it's again, it's a different thing when it's in
46:13
here. You can even say for the Savvy
46:15
Games Group or whatever it is, like the fact that's also just a
46:17
shell for the Saudi Arabian government, Yeah, also bothers
46:20
me too. I'm not saying that that just
46:21
immediately gives it a pass because the name is different.
46:23
Where it comes from is still inherently the same.
46:26
And like, that is what I would say the same thing for.
46:29
Yeah, if the US had a shell company or some just randomly,
46:33
you know. Funky time games.
46:35
Right, exactly. And they were like, yeah, we're
46:37
investing like, you know, a good like 15% into take two or
46:41
whatever. We're taking some sort of stake.
46:43
I have an immediate problem. I have a problem like no state
46:46
like inherently I feel. Like.
46:49
That's kind of the whole point of like the the capitalism idea,
46:52
right? As it's free markets and all
46:54
that sort of stuff. And I think that if we're going
46:57
to live by that system and we're going to force people to live in
46:59
that system and not have a major say in that system, then at
47:04
least I should be able to argue for the fact that don't let a
47:08
government invest in a don't let a government invest in anything
47:12
that results in some sort of public good or entertainment or
47:17
service. Well, it's just like a grant
47:19
like the Polish government for CDPR that's so different.
47:22
That's different. Well, that's that's incredibly
47:23
different. That's so.
47:24
Far. That's a grant for the.
47:26
Movie studio, movie studios get movie studios get grants for
47:29
shooting in Detroit OR Georgia or Vancouver or whatever.
47:33
That is entirely different than the the Saudi Arabian government
47:39
investing money into the movie studio to buy them out and say
47:43
here we want you to make movies for us now, or we want you to
47:45
make make games for us now, or we want you.
47:47
Because what does that become? I don't know what that becomes.
47:51
And that's inherently the point is that EA is an American
47:55
company out if you want to go that way and say like a Western
47:58
company, you can. I don't really like using that
48:01
terminology with how it's been kind of Co opted recently, like
48:04
with Western, you know, history, all that sort of stupid shit
48:08
that people talk about. But like, I don't like
48:13
inherently, I know that their government does not agree with
48:16
the values that we have over here, that we hold over here,
48:18
that we. Barely have over here anymore
48:20
anyway. And it gives me sorry, it gives
48:23
me cause for, for an alarm or concern, you know, So, yeah, I
48:29
mean, I don't know. I don't have an answer to it.
48:31
I mean, at the end of the day, you can say whatever you want
48:34
about it. You can be happy about it.
48:35
You can be indifferent, you can be opposed.
48:38
I think we'll see. You know, I think games are
48:39
obviously a very easy way of, you know, you can tell.
48:45
I think that's one thing that I've enjoyed at least throughout
48:47
this year is that I can still tell when a game is bullshit or
48:50
not. And you know, I think that will
48:53
continue no matter who owns these studios or these
48:55
publishers or whatever is that you can, if, if you play games
48:59
or if you are dedicated to games in some way, shape or form and
49:03
you play a little bit every week or something like that, you can
49:07
probably sniff when a game is bullshit to you.
49:09
And the best? That's good.
49:11
No, that's it. The best way to combat this is,
49:18
and it may not do much at first, but it will eventually is.
49:23
Well. Stop purchasing at that point if
49:26
your game. That's really your only way to
49:28
defeat the to combat this is to to stop.
49:31
Stop purchasing Madden and FC every year.
49:34
Stop. Purchasing.
49:35
Battlefield stop paying for EA Play Pro like myself like I'll
49:39
stop. Yeah, you cancel your
49:40
subscriptions, your money talks across borders, doesn't matter.
49:43
Your money talks. And if games start becoming
49:47
censored or it's not to the quality that you expect or
49:51
deserve, right? And if you are seeing developers
49:56
and, and community managers and industry leaders and people who
50:01
actually give a fuck about this medium that we give a fuck
50:05
about. And we're just a stupid little
50:07
fucking podcast where a couple of stupid little guys talk about
50:11
our stupid little hobby that we love so stupidly much.
50:15
But the minute you start seeing shit go South and people really
50:21
start to lose their jobs and really be affected is when you
50:24
vote and you talk with your money.
50:27
Stop purchasing. Cancel your subscriptions.
50:30
Yeah, yeah. Just it's hot, it sucks, it's
50:33
going to suck, but you just we have to do it.
50:36
If it gets, if it's going to take, if it's going to go to
50:39
that level, you have to be ready to go to a level 10.
50:42
There's nothing inherently stopping you from not purchasing
50:44
the next Madden and just playing the old one.
50:46
No. It's like I can go back and play
50:48
23 right now. I don't think they cancelled
50:50
support for it. Go buy fooda whatever on Steam
50:54
too and do your thing dude. Like we know a couple people who
50:59
played this shit out of that game, but go.
51:04
But in all seriousness, there's nothing stopping you from going
51:08
to your library of games now. Hopefully you own them
51:13
physically because who knows what's going to happen now as
51:16
well. That's a whole different
51:18
conversation. There's ways to do this and I
51:22
think that we need to be ready to do this.
51:24
And it's so, it sounds so silly coming from two guys in two in
51:29
their rooms in Detroit going, well, this is how we do this.
51:34
It's like a it's like a mock protest, right?
51:36
But like, this is how you do this though.
51:38
Yeah, I agree. I I just want to see the
51:42
industry do well. I want to see the people who
51:44
make this industry. I want to, I want to see the
51:48
people who make the things that we love in this industry
51:50
actually drive, be driven. I don't want to, I don't want to
51:54
see stories watered down. I don't want to see people lose
51:57
their jobs. I want people to continue making
51:59
the things that I get to hold near and dear.
52:02
So to where I have shelves dedicated to games, I have my
52:06
son playing the games that I loved.
52:08
I want to keep that going. I don't want that to stop,
52:12
especially with EA is the butt of every joke.
52:15
Ubisoft is the butt of every joke.
52:17
But I would love to go back in time and go, hey, don't take
52:22
these steps here. Do this because people will
52:25
still respect and love you because the games that you did
52:27
release were some of the biggest things ever and you helped shape
52:31
the industry and now you just don't give a fuck.
52:34
Right. Right.
52:35
And it's it's, it's sad, it pisses me off.
52:37
And we really needed Brody on this episode, but we couldn't
52:39
not talk about it. But here's the thing.
52:41
Brody agrees. I know he agrees.
52:43
I think you would agree with a lot of the stuff we said, yeah.
52:46
So. We'll get him on for the next
52:50
one. Did we have to?
52:52
We have. To I I think.
52:53
I think now is a good time to stop before I bring Israel up or
52:55
something. OK, well, now you're already
52:57
good. So yeah, we should probably wrap
52:59
this up like now. And you got to bleep that out.
53:02
I'm not a lot of trouble. Oh no.
53:04
That John Oliver episode was really good by the way.
53:06
It was pretty good. I was a bad guy.
53:11
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