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Men Think About Rome, Women Most Affected | Maintaining Frame 70 · Honey Badger Radio

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All right, hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. This is
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maintaining frame number seventy. My name is Brian. I'm joined by Allison,
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our boss, and we're gonna be talking about Rome, I guess, or
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we're gonna be talking about people's opinions on the fact that men think about Rome
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or other sort of similar, parallel things and apparently that is a problem.
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So before we get into the topic, I'm gonna hand the I'm gonna hand
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the microphone, I guess, the floor. I'm gonna hand the floor over
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to Allison. So Allison, you can do the things now. There once
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was a dream. There was one dream. It was a dream called Rome.
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Yeah, you could only whisper it. That's one of my favorite quotes
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from this movie. I always quote Gladiator and I do that with my friends,
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like you coulterally whisper it anything more than a whisper fetish. Uh.
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There's a there's a really totally, really great, hilarious and totally unbiased history
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of the Roman Empire on YouTube and I forget the channel name because I'm terrible
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they build and maintain for us. All right, so back we're gonna lose
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Rome. Yeah, So shout out to the Rumble Gang really quick. Hello
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Rumble Gang, Please go and follow us over on Rumble because you never know,
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one day we might just be gone from YouTube. Also, just as
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a side note, because I am I am gonna kind of cape, I'm
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gonna simp for Rumble a little bit here. I don't know if you heard
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about this house and completely unrelated but sort of related. Russell Brand has been
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accused of you know, well basically the R word. But it's come out
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also that the BBC, because they want to distance themselves from him and also
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kind of unperson him, has gone and written letters requesting that or sort of
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applying some pressure to big tech sites like TikTok YouTube and Rumble suggesting that maybe
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they demonetize Russell Brand because he's spreading you know, dangerous ideas and he's bad
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for I guess their pursuit of controlling truth and the narrative. And Rumble told
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them to fund themselves in a very polite way. So I say, support
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us on Rumble, follow us over there, so you know it's yeah,
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it wasn't It's the UK government exactly, mister oh three oh three in the
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Rumble chat. What's up? So just put it out there. You know,
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maybe it's a good idea to have a Rumble so you can follow us
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there and watch our videos there. So anyway, okay, So it was
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it was the UK government that I yeah, because yeah, the UK government.
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Oh but yeah, BBC is a government thing, but the Parliament basically
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like contacted, Rumble, YouTube, TikTok at the very least. I don't
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know if there was other places. Yes, No, I really don't watch
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a lot of YouTube personalities. I know that's hilariously hypocritical, but I don't
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consider myself a YouTube personality regardless. Uh, but what is okay? So
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I listened to what Karen's summation in the last show that we did that basically
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what he's being alleged to have done was not actually anything approaching sexual assault.
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It was just basically being a promiscuous man who had multiple partners at the same
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time or something. Well, because he was a super famous guy and women
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wanted to have sex with him. I mean, that's ultimately what it is.
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I mean. And of course now that he's because when he was like,
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you know, on their side, he was a part of that machine.
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He was acting that way. Nobody had a problem with it, nobody
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said anything, nobody complained. And now that he's struck out on his own
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and he's essentially criticizing the establishment, now they're like, there's women coming out
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of the woodwear. It's being you know, it's it's what we've said for
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I don't know, since before Me Too started, was like, what,
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you're weaponizing women's victimhood to destroy people, and they're mainly aiming it at men
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that they don't like. Because if Russell brand had still been essentially on the
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side of you know, the UK government or the BBC, these allegations would
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not have come out. It's only coming out now, you know, So
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what exactly has he what is his great what is his real great offense?
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I mean, I actually I trust I trust Karen when she says she's looked
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at the allegations and she figures that they there's nothing really that actionable about it,
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which is why they're not going to apparently they're not bringing it into a
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legal arena. They're just going to keep it to the social lynching sphere.
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Yeah, but what is it that he's done specifically, like him that what
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is his real crime? Seducing women? No, no, no, no,
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no, I'm not looking about the bullshit. I'm talking about real crime.
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Well, you know, Yes, he's been outspoken against the Koup and
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the JAB, that's I think that's the primary thing he's been very critical of,
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and other kind of over extensions of various government institutions. But I think
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primarily it's that I don't really know because I don't watch Russell Brand's show,
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because I've seen like a couple of clips, and there's nothing that he's saying
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that other people who are probably less popular haven't already said. So I don't
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really you know, And this is not a criticism of Brand or anything like
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that, But I'm just saying that I don't watch him, so I don't
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know specifically, but I do know the general thrust of his content is essentially,
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you know, criticizing the establishment, criticizing the machine. So and that's
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you know, yeah, maybe some things about Ukraine, maybe some things about
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the JAB, maybe some things about money, money printing. I don't know,
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you know, but the point is he's going against the grain and that's
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not allowed. Yep. Tho, Okay, all right, fair enough.
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They've they've they've hit him with this series of yeah, allegations, according to
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Karen, of being promiscuous successful. It is basically the that's that's successful accused.
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He's accused of being a slut. He stands accused of being a slut.
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Okay, yeah, I didn't realize that was illegal. It is when
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you're a man and and you have the wrong opinions, it's okay when you're
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on the right side. Of course. Of course, we slut shame women
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more than men. Of course we do. It's all we do. You
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know. Ironically, you know, it used to be illegal to be a
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male slut, like literally illegal, like you could get charged and sent to
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jail for it if you had sex with a woman. Then she felt that
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you had deprived her of her rightful access to I don't know, matrimony,
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Like it's called breach of promise. And uh yeah, you could be sued
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or not even not even sued. You could be put into jail just for
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being a promiscuous man in the past. And I guess we're going back to
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that. I noticed that we seem to be going back to the old sexual
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morals of jail, promiscuous men, lynching men, that kind of thing.
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Boy, the we're gonna see some serious backlash to the whole free love thing.
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I guess nobody really wanted men to have sex if the babies didn't result,
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didn't result from that. It wasn't for men, it was for women.
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They were the ones oppressed anyway. Yeah, but the problem is that
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when you have free love, men have sex. Yeah, I know,
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but that's men might be enjoying themselves, right, and that shouldn't be allowed.
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That shouldn't be allowed. Yeah, basically, Okay, No, I
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mean, like, I'm not a particularly slutty person, but I don't think
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sluts should go to jail. No, I don't either. I mean,
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like, well, yeah, obviously, but we've seen we're seeing this,
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you know, it happens in in threes. Like, uh, we have
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Danny Masterson from that seventy show getting thirty years for like twenty year old allegations.
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We have Russell Brand who they can't like convict him for anything criminal,
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but they're just trying to destroy his reputation. Uh. And then we have
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I think there was David what is his name, David Iowade or something,
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the guy from humor that show I T Crowd. He was like the Kiwi
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guy on there. Yeah, he's been accused or he's being canceled for something
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too. He's even he doesn't even like, you know, he's not even
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a vocal like you know guy or whatever. So they're just they're just weaponizing
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women's victimhood on everybody. They don't care. Well. They get it to
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Tim Tim Ballard too, because you know, he goes on undercover to try
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and like rescue you know, trafficked children, and sometimes it means he has
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to go under an alias, and sometimes he has to like bring a woman
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along and they also have to operate under an alias, you know, for
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their own protection, and that is him coercing women as as as noted by
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the very reliable source known as Vice Magazine. Well this, I hate to
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tell everybody, but this, this particular insanity, Like what we're seeing now
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is a civilization in the grips of dementia. It's just it's just basically a
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civilization that's gone bonkers nuts either dementia or a deep, deep addiction to female
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victimhood. And it's just gonna it's just gonna go, Like our civilization is
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just gonna ride this until it hits the wall. And I don't mean like
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the well maybe the wall wall. I don't know. It just it just
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hits rock bottom. How about that? And uh, and that's the only
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point when our civilization hits rock bottom, that will be the point it might
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start to think about what it's, you know, like the overriding narrative that
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it's been been riding into the ground for for however long. But like it's
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it's best to just step back and realize that we are in a civilization in
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the grip of dementia or deep, deep addiction, and it's it's just going
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to get worse. No offense, guys. The only the only protection we
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have is to stop enabling it and to just protect ourselves as much as we
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can from it, and just frame it in such a way that we don't
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invest too much in it, you know, keep doing what we're doing,
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keep fighting the good fight, of course, but realize that there's no fixing
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this Like this is our civilization has chosen the face of its destroyer, of
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the destructor, and it is feminism. It is the absolute, unshakable belief
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that women are victims of society, while everything that you claim that women are
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victims of will eventually be destroyed. That's how it works. That's why when
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you want to go to war with Oceana, you say Oceana is a threat
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to our women. Oceanna is going to kidnap and rape and murder and torture
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them. Just imagine Oceanna's claws all over all over Eurasia's women, and then
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everybody's there. They're damnder's up and they go to war. And even better,
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Oceana hates its own women. Therefore we should bomb them all where when
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we kill those Oceana women, we're fraying them from the dread grasp of misogyny.
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These these are the narratives that that put a red flag on something to
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be destroyed, and we have literally said, well, what else can we
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put this red flag on to destroy? Like this? Are these are the
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coordinates to send the artillery folks, Oh well, let's do it to our
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entire society HERPERTRP. That'll work long term for us. And when you point
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this out, people just just turtle or they get really really really aggressive and
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defensive. And it's it's actually, you know, I sort of like the
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things that I enjoy. You know, I think I live a pretty modest
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life, but I'm fine with it. In you know, central heating,
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internal plumbing, electricity, the web, all great things. I'd like to
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keep them, but apparently we can't because women were women most affected. And
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to bring it back to the title, now, not only is it women
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most affected. Meteor hits Earth, women most affected. Stock market crashes,
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women most affected. Millions of men die, women most effective. Millions of
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men are raped, tortured, and thrown into a pit. Women women most
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affected. You know, a billion men die, women most affected. Not
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that now, it's men think of neutral past past, something neutral in the
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past, relatively neutral women most affected. Men do innocuous thing by themselves without
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any anything to do with women. Women most affected, Men exist, women
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most affected. Men breathe women most affective. Men have hair, women most
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affected. You know, men take walks down street in street parks. Women
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most affected. Like everything, even the most innocuous thing. And this is
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what I'm talking about, when we are looking at a society in the grip
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of dementia, even the most innocuous thing, women most affected. Like how
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at what point I'm at this point, I'm just like watching this, and
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I'm saying, at what point does the average person with any sense of sanity
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just step back and say, hmm, yeah, maybe not. You know,
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maybe maybe this isn't the case. You know, maybe women aren't being
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abused by men thinking about rome. Maybe not, you know, maybe that's
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just not not really happening. And yet how many, how many media outlets
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have now framed this in this way, like I think I sent you about
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six at least, m hm, And and it's in response to internet meme,
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and they're framing it as victimization of women, like we're really scraping.
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We're not even scraping the bot. We've scraped through the barrel and now we're
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scraping dirt. Now we're scraping like bedwalk Okay, So anyway, I recommend
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Rumble. That's what I was getting at, because they have stood up for
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a Russell brand, and Rumble is I think they're good guys over there,
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and I think they should be supported. So please, uh, you know,
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you don't have to use Rumble to wash the show, although I think
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that's helpful because maybe it'll do us some favors over on Rumble. Maybe we'll
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be able to track more people to watch. But I think it's so good.
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I it's it doesn't hurt, it's free, really follow us. I'm
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really surprised we've managed to last this log on on YouTube YouTube. I know
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what I think a lot of it is people just don't understand what we're talking
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about. I I can see the gears clicking over when I go on Twitter
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and I talk to somebody. They're trying to figure out where I fit in
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the binary, and they I'm just like, I'm just some weird you know,
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like, uh, what's the compositive and well the binary is uh conservative
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versus liberal? I guess yeah, and I don't know. So it's a
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really confused binary at this point because you know, where where do the turfs
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sit? Conservatives? Perhaps, I think that anyone who thinks that way is
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a moron. So you have I knew, but you know, there are
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conservatives who are caping for the turfs, the trans exclusionary radical but they are
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literally not They're allowing these women to be just like, yeah, we need
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your protection, the horrible trans women, and they're not pointing out, Yeah,
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you guys started the whole gender critical thing, like yeah, there was
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no maybe those turfs, those conservatives that you're talking about, they're just feminists
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from the nineties, that's all. They're still feminist, though, I mean,
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there's no I don't I don't know. I don't. I don't think
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there's very many actual conservatives left that's put it that way from what I've seen.
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But yeah, well I would have to agree, and I could go
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into some very esoteric places with that. But let's let's just get to the
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Yeah, let's get into the stuff. So do you want to start with
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the article? Do you want to see a couple of clips of men of
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men being asked by their girlfriends or significant others or wives about Roman Empire?
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Ooh, I would love to see such a thing. Let's look at a
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couple of these clips. Let's look at that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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this is We won't watch the whole thing, but watch a few clips.
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This is a compilation somebody put together or a supercut or whatever you want
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to call it. So here we go. How often do you think about
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the Roman Empire? Yesterday? But I probably don't think about it every day,
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like every other day? Maybe, well, if I was staying average,
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half of it is sometimes I think about it every days? But is
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it though? So basically there are women In case you guys don't know what
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this is, and I'm sure you probably do, but I thought i'd explain
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it anyway. So some this started on TikTok, so most of these are
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TikTok videos, but I don't go to TikTok because I don't want to get
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close to the Chinese like that. And one woman, I guess started this
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whole thing and she was like, I asked my boyfriend. I don't know
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where this came from, but it was like, I asked my boyfriend or
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my husband how often he thinks about the Roman Empire? And I can't believe
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it. He thinks about it a lot, okay, or at least more
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than than apparently women do, which I think there's it's this is a bit
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of an oversimplification, because I think the truth is is that men think about
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a lot of stuff. I know it's crazy, right, it's crazy.
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But you know when a woman asked a man, what are you thinking about?
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Because maybe he's like zoning out or whatever, and the man will say
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nothing, He's probably thinking about something like this, but he knows that she
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wouldn't understand if he told her Yeah, I was thinking about Carthage, you
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know, or I was thinking about something else, like I was telling Lindsay,
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you know once when we were talking about this, I was like,
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you know, sometimes I think about what I would do, Like I play
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scenario in my head of how I would react if like someone came to our
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house. I'm like asking myself, how fast can I get to the closet,
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get the double barrel shotgun, load it, and get to the front
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door. Like I'm thinking about shit like that. If there was a guy
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climbing up on our balcony trying to get in the house, how much time
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would it take? You know? Should I like, should I position stuff
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a little bit differently that I think that's the kind of stuff that that I
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think about. I don't know if this is normal for guys or whatever.
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Like the other day, I dropped Lindsay off at a at a parking lot
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because she was going in for a job interview because she's thinking about changing jobs.
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And there was a super sketchy guy like in the parking lot, and
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I mean, he looked really, really unwell and you don't see a lot
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of that around here. And I'm watching him go around and Jojo is in
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the backseat barking at this guy, and I'm like thinking, Okay, if
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he comes over here, because I had my windows down because it was hot,
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and I'm like thinking, let's say he like pulls a gun on me
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or a knife, Like how am I gonna react? What do I do?
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And I'm like playing these scenarios in my head, and like, you
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know, it's just I don't know, maybe women don't think about those things,
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but I feel like men generally have their head on a swivel and they're
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thinking about stuff like that. And when they're not thinking about that actively,
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they're thinking about historical like like situations like well, what what would have you
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know, what would a night have done? Or what would a Roman lesionaire
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have done? Or something like that. So I do think that there is
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like the idea of thinking about the Roman Empires. A little bit of it
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oversimplification because I don't think that's everything that men think about, but but that
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is what the meme is trying to present. Well, here's another way of
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looking at it. A lot almost all of our mottos are written in Latin.
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Yeah, if you are a man who is part of any kind of
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service like the fire service, police service, e MS, any kind of
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that, that kind of service, you are going to literally be exposed to
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Latin mottos every day that you go to work. And that's those are majority
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male pot uh, majority mail. Then there are you know, like men's
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clubs that have these kinds of mottos and for es, and I mean there's
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always like yeah, yeah, there's the influence of that on men that Yes,
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there's also the architecture in particular, I think the US architecture was going
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for that, that neoclassical style. So it's in the architecture, you know,
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it's and also you know, men have an interest in history. They
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consume a lot of non fiction historical novels, and honestly, like the sheer
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per capita badassery of Rome is pretty high. So I mean it's a very
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masculine. I'm not saying only, but it's there is a lot of like
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positive Yeah, there's a there's a lot of there's a lot of striving and
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not just not just being you know, like militarily awesome, but also a
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virtue. So they embodied a lot of virtues in a sort of a very
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muscular, masculine way, and I can see that appealing to men. I
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talk about Rome a lot. I think about Rome a lot because it is
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the civilization upon which we stand. Like in many ways, we are a
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product of Rome. We exist because Rome existed. We are a reflection and
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echo of Rome. And to forget that is to forget a lot of ourselves.
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And it's to me, I don't understand why women don't think of it.
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That's actually I think the more important thing about this is that the women
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not only do they obviously not think about at least not the ones in these
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videos, but but they think it's there's something weird about men thinking about it.
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They find it strange and yeah, it's well, no, go ahead,
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I want you to finish before I just I'm just saying that That's what
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the important to me anyway, The important distinction is is that man that women
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don't think about it, and they not only that, but they they find
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that men who do think about it are are there something like there's something wrong
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with them? Like why aren't you, I don't know, concerned with your
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fucking hair and makeup or something, your clothes and being murdered? Yeah?
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Yeah, right, women, men are not concidered about being murdered. Listen
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to how Brian was framing this, How do I protect lindsay, I'm guessing
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right, yeah, how do Yeah, that's why men aren't thinking about being
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murdered, because they're thinking about how to protect you from being murdered. Dumb
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ass. But the the But what I wanted to say is that this Honestly,
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women should be thinking about rome because understanding where we came from helps us
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understand where we are and where we're going. And if you don't have that
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kind of interest in social systems, why the hell do you have the vote?
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Yeah? It's like, honestly, if you have no interest in the
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history of politics, now, I'm a weird outlier. I you know,
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when I was like eleven, I was reading books on the history of political
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systems. So I'm one weird kid, I was a weird girl. Let
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me say, let me tell say that. But if you don't have an
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interest in that, if you don't have an interest in where politics comes from
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and how politics is affected not just by wars, but also by social factors,
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like, for example, the the issue with landowners in Rome, disenfranchising
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small farmers, leading to a large number of men who had no means to
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essentially feed their families. So there was an issue, There was a problem
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with family formation in the late Roman Republic and how that influenced politics. You
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have no interest in that, ladies, why do you have the vote?
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Yeah? Like, like, if you have no interest in his, you
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have no interest in politics, You have no interest in systems, You have
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no interest in how social pressures affect political systems. You have no interest in
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any of this. Why do you have the vote? Like? Why?
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Why is that a thing? And why is that so necessary? If you're
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going to be so pathologically ignorant about what the vote means, why do you
27:23
deserve it? You know? Like, the vote isn't just about getting more
27:32
stuff for yourself. It's about trying to maintain a system that serves everybody in
27:38
it so that it can continue to exist, you know, and to devote
27:44
in a way that represents civic responsibility. And if you have no interest in
27:48
history and the foundations of our civilization, how can you be informed as a
27:53
voter? You know? And I know that this is what well, I
28:02
mean, this argument could also be like the the literacy tests and all of
28:07
that. So as much as I say that this this is something that indicates
28:12
you should really ask, like, what are we doing with this? I
28:17
think this should just be a call for women to wake up to their civic
28:21
responsibilities and think a bit more about Rome. Yeah, that would be nice.
28:26
All right, let's go back and let's play some more of this video.
28:32
Why do you think about it every day? That's a good enough answer
28:37
for me. Okay, I'm gonna move on the next person because it's cool.
28:41
Yeah, oh, maybe I'll go back because I think he does.
28:47
I imagine, like, no, that was freak well, yeah, it's
28:56
it's okay, I get it. It's a we we you know, they
29:00
people like cross the streams on that all the time. And so I guess
29:10
what he's saying is like, you know, it's like got these men working
29:14
together. I mean, you can you can apply that to most of these
29:17
kind of I don't want to say primitive but prehistorical you know military where the
29:23
guys are all well yeah, no, Actually, the Greco Roman civilization,
29:30
the military was pretty distinct, like the planic of the flanks. Look,
29:37
look, guys, that's got too many complicated syllables from my woman tongue.
29:44
But uh, you know, and and also the Roman formations, which I
29:48
will not attempt to pronounce on the spot, but they did rely on a
29:55
level of cooperation between men and coordination and discipline that was not actually that common
30:00
in at least the armies of the time, but which is why they were
30:03
so successful. Okay, let's keep going, all right, So here's another
30:08
one. How often do you think about the Roman Empire? Awest at least
30:21
three or four times a week. No, you don't dead serious either about
30:26
their arms roads. You're making this up. Have you seen TikTok you legit?
30:37
Do you think about the Roman Empire? Yeah? I mean the nice
30:41
stuff on takeover? Yeah about it? What do you think about? I
30:47
just told you I listened off a bunch of stuff. I love that.
30:52
She's like, are you on TikTok and he's like, no, I'm thinking
30:55
about Rome. What why. She's like, I can't believe you're not on
31:00
TikTok and you don't know about this, so it's so like interesting, like
31:06
how stark you know the male and female experience is, And yes, I
31:11
know there are exceptions, and yes, I know there are men that don't
31:14
think about it. Yeah, like, but but I'm not. I am
31:15
probably one of the few exceptions. Though I'm not taking offensive list because I
31:19
know I am one average man and say, yeah, what's your what's your
31:26
most favorite Roman Senator? I'll get an answer. If I do that with
31:30
a woman, they'll be like what, yeah, Roman Senator. Or do
31:34
you mean like Joe Biden? I like Joe Biden, Yeah, exactly,
31:37
exactly, or or no, or they don't even say that. They'll just
31:41
be like, you know, women will just talk about a woman in power
31:45
like that's like the end. Oh you know, like Ruth Bader Ginsburg and
31:49
that'll be the extent of it, right well, because they I don't know,
31:53
like I'm gonna I'm gonna have a pretty good guest on soon a woman
32:00
and actually you're she's on your friend named Rachel Wilson. She wrote a great
32:09
book about feminism, and she said she said in her book that women are
32:15
much easier to propagandize, and so this is why, well that's her estimation
32:22
is that this is why there is such a big gap. And I think
32:25
part of it is, well, how do you propagandize people? You know,
32:29
you get them involved in in a kind of like social trend and then
32:34
they join in. Social media is extremely addictive, but particularly for women,
32:39
and that's why this woman is like, are you on TikTok? And he's
32:43
like, why would I be on TikTok? Like I'm thinking about Rome.
32:46
Okay, I'm going to point something out. Yes, women are easy to
32:50
propagandize, and men know better, but they still do what women want anyway.
32:55
Yes, that's right, that's right. That's how you know, it's
32:58
it's yeah, it's that's that's that is the issue. So women maybe more
33:02
easily propagandas, but for whatever reason, you know, who's the bigger fool,
33:07
the fool that is foolish or the fool that follows him. Yeah,
33:10
that's a that's a Star Wars quote. And I know that sounds really anti.
33:15
It's not it's just calling out men like sometimes you need to use sense,
33:20
yeah when instead of just just doing what she wants, which I understand
33:25
is very difficult. But that's what everybody's banking on. All right, Okay,
33:30
I got a super rumble rand actually Nova Fan twenty one. He gives
33:37
us two dollars and says, imagine telling and everything is political, lefty feminist,
33:43
that everything comes from the Roman Empire. And watch them try to pull
33:45
a confusing, convoluted it's only okay when I do it type of logic.
33:51
Thank you for that. Well, they yeah, that's what they think.
33:53
But maybe thinking of our room is political. Maybe these men are mining for
34:00
another time, obviously a time they never lived in, but maybe there is
34:05
I think that there there are what a lot of men are thinking about when
34:07
they think about this, or anyone who thinks about Rome, is they're drawing
34:12
parallels from Rome to our current you know, current day today, and they're
34:15
like looking at what what what did Rome do wrong? What do they do
34:21
right? What are we doing wrong? I think that's what men are doing.
34:22
I think that's why you know this is coming to mind. So I
34:30
have a question for you. How often do you think of the Roman Empire.
34:35
Roman Empire, like in general, I haven't thought of them today,
34:39
I don't know, twice a month. I haven't thought of the Roman Empire
34:44
ever. I just think about it. Why from the Bible. It's just
34:50
history. Okay, So she's like, I never thought about it ever.
34:57
Really, that's what the woman said, Yeah, I could you know what?
35:00
I get it? I do. I think that I think that that
35:05
women's world. I mean, like, well, there was this this uh
35:10
this screen shot. I think this is a tweet by Lizzie Logan and the
35:14
Tijuana Brass Okay, says I always wondered what men do with the extra brain
35:17
space they are don't have to devote to calories and hair care and monitoring their
35:22
serrontings or murderers. I guess the Roman Empire is as good an answer as
35:25
any. I think that maybe like women are in such a state of constant
35:30
fear, like obviously paranoia, that there's no like basis in reality, that
35:37
maybe they don't think they can enjoy anything. I don't know, can I
35:42
just bring a sane response to that. Let's go back to that quote.
35:45
I want to go back to this, yeah this okay, all right,
35:47
all right? So yes, I think about calories when I'm in putting them
35:54
into my fitbit after I eat. That takes all of like two minutes.
35:59
And I also think of about hair care when I'm brushing my hair in the
36:01
fricking morning, which takes about five minutes. And monitoring their surroundings from murders.
36:07
Why don't you go live somewhere safer if you are surrounded by murders,
36:12
like, get out of get out of I don't know, get out of
36:15
the Ukraine. She's probably in a very safe place, to be honest,
36:21
you maybe maybe leave leave the active war war theater that you're apparently living in.
36:29
Go someone or a little more peaceful, such as the United States or
36:35
Canada or any Western country or Japan if really, although they may not like
36:38
you wearing your short shorts. Yeah, but first of all, this she's
36:46
full of crap. I think that men monitor their surroundings from murderers more than
36:51
women do. And just from what you said about yeah, yeah, what
36:58
you said about thinking about how fast it would take you to pick out the
37:02
the the gun from your closet, get it ready, something happened the closet,
37:12
load it and get to the door, or get to. They're thinking
37:15
about threats significantly more than women, Lizzy. They think about threats every time
37:22
they prepare themselves to face one, for example, going into gun range,
37:28
picking out a gun, making making thinking about how to protect their homes and
37:32
their families. What do you think they're thinking about all right? And what
37:37
do you think they're monitoring their surroundings for potential ways that murderers can get in.
37:42
What do you think they're buying guns for or other forms of self defense
37:46
for. Yeah, they're thinking about that. They're just not thinking about themselves
37:52
as being a victim. And it's not because they don't worry of necessarily about
37:57
being a victim. They probably do. It's because they're worries about their families
38:00
being victims are bigger than their worries about themselves being victims. So they're monitoring
38:07
the surroundings for potential threats to their families and the people that they love.
38:12
This is my experience. You're monitoring it for threats to yourself because you're still
38:17
lopsistic and selfish and you're a weenie. Ye. So, but you know,
38:23
like this, if we want, like like I've said multiple times,
38:29
if women want to be equal, then they need to take equal responsibility for
38:34
society and equals responsibility for the defense of society. Maybe they can't be as
38:37
strong, but they can be more alert. They can be aware of their
38:43
surroundings. They can take note of things that look sketchy, not just things
38:45
that look misogynists war, but actually sketchy, you know. And honestly,
38:52
like, I don't know where she's getting off with this. Who spends most
38:57
time worrying about, thinking about and preparing for self defense men or women?
39:01
There you go, there's your answer, Lizzie. And I think that this
39:07
is something that I don't know. It might even be an eight to the
39:12
beast for men. So I remember, like a couple of weeks ago,
39:15
me and Jonathan, we walked to the Badger Cave and we play with Skippy
39:19
in the yard beside the Badger Cave. Scipio is our German shepherd. He's
39:24
quite a big boy now. And there was some sort of weird guy who
39:30
went the wrong way down the road and he just for for had every reason.
39:37
He was throwing up some kind of red flag, and I swear like
39:42
Jonathan was watching him. Yeah, and the expression on his face I'd never
39:46
seen it before, But it was one of intense predatory focus, Like this
39:52
guy, I am paying attention to him, and if he steps a hair
40:00
a line, you know, I'm thinking about how to neutralize him as quickly
40:02
as possible. And it's hard to describe that kind of expression until you've seen
40:07
it. And you don't see it on women's faces. No, it's it's
40:13
the expression of preparing yourself to do uh, necessary violence or something like that.
40:20
And I don't think women understand that. And it's it's I don't know,
40:28
it's something that doesn't come as natural. I think it's an evolved thing
40:31
for men. I think so think that it was necessary. So, and
40:36
it's not just violence, it's also resume violence. Yeah, you're preparing your
40:42
body for potential pain too, exactly because I was thinking like that sketchy guy
40:46
in the parking lot. I mean, I didn't know what the likelihood of
40:51
anything was, but I was thinking, like, well, if he does
40:53
have a knife and I get stabbed, like where would it be best?
40:57
You know, Like I'm thinking about shit like that. It's not good to
41:00
think about. Fortunately, nothing happened. He came over and asked me for
41:02
some change, and Jojo just drove him away because he was just like out
41:07
of his mind, And the fact that Jojo was reacting that way made me
41:09
think, yeah, there's something up, because you know, my dog knows
41:13
when people are being like he barks at sketchy people. I remember one time
41:17
I brought Jojo up to Canada. Do you remember we were in Saskatoon,
41:21
Saskatoon, and there was this, uh, drunk indigenous guy. He looked
41:29
like he was homeless. He approached us, Jojo barked his head off,
41:32
and that guy just had to walk away. He doesn't bark at anybody unless
41:37
they give him the hebe gebis or he's trying to like, you know,
41:39
for some reason. Yeah, does not like white women. Oh yeah,
41:46
I don't know what it is. You know, he's just extremely leery of
41:51
them. That's funny. I guess I've I've I've I've influenced him, I've
41:55
turned him into a misogyn war dog. But no, he doesn't like No,
42:00
I'm just kidding. It's it's because women are the ones who just sort
42:05
of press it, you know. Sometimes they're like, I can I touch
42:08
your dog and it's like, well, I don't know, he might be
42:13
okay with it, but uh, he doesn't like a lot. Yeah,
42:17
of like, I don't. I don't know how Joejoe is, but Scipio
42:22
does. He likes maybe a brief pat and then move along, not even
42:29
like it wants all the pats, but like, yeah again if if he
42:34
you know, if he gets a like a vibe from you that he doesn't
42:37
like. He's never bitten anyone, but he will try to drive them away
42:40
with barbs. Anyway, let's get back to the video. I'll play one
42:45
more clip from this and then we'll go into some articles. But how often
42:50
do you think about the Roman Empire? The Roman Empire? Yeah? I
42:55
just how often do you think about it? Holy? Every other day?
43:00
You see? Oh? Never? Why a little frea? How often one
43:07
more time do you think about the Roman Empire? I don't. You don't
43:13
think of the Roman Empire? I never saw? You never saw? Can
43:17
you apply a time to something that is a turtle? The Roman Empires a
43:22
turtle, Laurie, it's forever. These are the ideas that man man follow
43:29
up question, is it the same as the holy Roman Empire? You will
43:36
not mention that accurson thing in this household? Oh men are funny by Rolling
43:52
Stone. Oh God, I fucking hate you. Yeah, God came out
43:59
of flamed a little bit. Okay, let's let's doings sent. This guy's
44:05
wearing a Sabotan T shirt. So it's a dumb question to ask every I
44:08
know dreams and in SPQR. Yes, so I got. I got.
44:23
Like these two articles that kind of like jumped out at me. One is
44:29
from Rolling Stone entitled why are so many men obsessed with the Roman Empire?
44:35
A new meme shows men are the way more into ancient history than we realize.
44:39
Mike Duncan, hosts of the popular podcast The History of Roman, explains
44:43
why, well, what did you think men like, to what degree did
44:47
you think men were interested in ancient history? Like? What? Why are
44:51
you surprised? Like men have generally always been interested in in history, especially
44:58
like you know, the the histories involving conquering and exploration and science and warfare
45:07
and all of that stuff you know from Can I just add something here?
45:10
Yeah? Oh no, no, shit, I interrupted you again. I'm
45:15
sorry. No, it's fine, go ahead. Uh. Honestly, like
45:21
when you look at the history of the Roman no, I don't want to
45:23
say the Roman Republic. Maybe it was more in Rome didn't really go out
45:30
to conquer anything. They just sort of ended fights that other people started.
45:37
Yeah, you know, and it was like, so this is there's this
45:42
picture of Rome as being very militaristic, but usually it just wanted to be
45:45
like, yeah, leave us alone. And they wanted to have buffer states
45:49
that kept the barbarians further away from their borders. Yeah, and then the
45:53
you know, they make these arrangement with these buffer states, another buffers,
45:58
another state would invade the buffer state, and then they would be drawn into
46:00
the fight, the ensuing fight, and then they would take and it would
46:04
just kept going like that. They were just really good at ending fights.
46:07
So it's not like they basically yeah, there's not like they set out to
46:14
be a gigantic empire. It was just they were the most functional social system
46:16
at the time, and everybody else was just a void of chaos and not
46:22
even like chaos and self defeat really, so yeah, I just wanted to
46:29
I wanted to decape for Rome. There for a moment, I think we've
46:31
discovered like I don't think we see it as a like again, I think
46:37
that Rolling Stone and CNN, which is the other article I have, I
46:40
think they're going to try to paint Rome as some kind of oppressive patriarchal force,
46:45
and it's fine that you are being clear about what it is. And
46:49
I think when people say the Roman Empire, they're not I don't think they're
46:52
really focused on the empire part. They just think that those two words sound
46:55
good together. It could be the Roman Republic as well, or whatever structure
47:00
because again the United States Finding Fathers, they based not just the architecture but
47:05
the actual like structure of the republic itself on the Roman model, or with
47:12
you know, with the Senate and everything. So I think that there is
47:16
a lot of parallels to think about. So anyway, so that that's this
47:24
article, they oh, yeah, yeah, do some do some? Okay,
47:29
no, look, let's look look at both of them. Yeah,
47:30
okay, Well the other one is just I'm just gonna give the title CNN
47:36
opinion men, and the Roman Empire is more than a meme. Friends,
47:43
Yeah, brace yourself. Right. So I think the Rolling Stone one is
47:49
a good one to start off with, so I put it first. Did
47:53
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48:42
thought about Rome and what you thought about Yeah, okay, all right.
48:49
Honestly, I'm actually really interested in looking at that video because well, it
48:54
gives you a sense of what these men are actually thinking about Row. Yeah,
48:59
yeah, talk one. We could play more of it if you want
49:00
to. Yeah, let's just play more of it, because it's good to
49:04
have the context of what these guys are saying about what they're thinking about Rome.
49:07
And then we'll look at what these these ideological uh, these these people
49:12
who are engaged in ideological dementia think about what men think about Rome? Okay,
49:17
yeah, what they think about men who think about It's taken face,
49:24
my psychopath. How often do you think about the Roman Empire? At least
49:32
twice a day? Are you serious? Twice a day? In what?
49:40
Like? In what context? I just feel bad for people's civilization. Oh,
49:51
that doesn't happen again. Oh that's pretty heroic, isn't it. It's
49:57
like I'm gonna make sure do my part to make sure doesn't happen again.
50:00
I think the men see what's going on, guys. I think the men
50:04
around us can see tapping. Yeah, but they're still doing what women want.
50:07
Well, yeah, but I mean I think that there's there, there
50:12
are, there are more and more men calling this shit out. So in
50:15
women you ask, okay, people ask what happened to the Romans and the
50:21
Roman Empire? We're right here. I got a super child from Ergo Proxy.
50:34
Thank you, Ergo Proxy. I'm not gonna play a badger chand for
50:37
you. I'm gonna give you this I am. And he gives us five
50:43
dollars and says the only thing cooler than Rome is Jojo, which Brian will
50:50
stream tomorrow at nine thirty Eastern time in the Badger of Discort and also my
50:53
dog Jojo is pretty cool nine thirty am. Eight Yeah, nine thirty am
50:59
Eastern time. I'm in the discord tomorrow. Uh. I think you can
51:02
get into the Dire Hawk the screening room if you are a free user,
51:08
if you're on Vagination down online. I don't know, Alison, I Bagination
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down online. The screening room, it's free. It's you can come and
51:17
watch our selections for movies and such, because we do. We have movies
51:22
usually Saturdays and Sundays. Have been doing a nonlinear movie night in honor of
51:30
editing my story for the past week, and we're probably going to continue it
51:34
for a couple more weeks. So there's there's lots of stuff happening. If
51:37
you are already in there, like you should should check out the screening room
51:40
because you can. If you want to join us and chat about movies and
51:47
watch movies, then we can do that. Yeah, definitely get Vagination butt
51:52
online. So there's Jojo at nine thirty, but then we stop at noon
51:55
and then there's a movie. What's the movie tomorrow? You know? Okay,
51:59
let me see the movie. Nope, I don't I can yet.
52:04
No, they usually have. I just need to go find it. Okay,
52:07
Okay, well it should it should be like ben Her or something.
52:10
I think, uh, because it might be pect I'm trying to find because
52:19
it's the schedule is put together by one of the patrons, and I have
52:25
to actually locate it. It might be pinned. Oh yeah, here we
52:30
go. So September twenty twenty three, that would be the twenty third ye
52:37
okay, Evangelin Evangeline. Oh, Evangelian, Evangeli Evangelian. And then tomorrow
52:45
on Sunday it's fear and trembling. Fear and trembling. Yes. And then
52:51
and then the October is apparently a zombie month. Oh you gotta have yeah,
52:55
October, you gotta have spooky movies. And then night tonight in the
53:00
discord, we will be screening another a non linear film by uh, let
53:07
me do it. This is this is something put on by the writing chat,
53:10
the writing group. It is let me find it. Sorry, guys
53:20
prescient, I think let me just Prestige by Peter Nolan or Christopher Nolan.
53:30
Sorry, Prestige by Christopher Nolan. So that's what we'll be watching tonight.
53:35
Okay, shall we get back to it? Yeah, let's get back to
53:37
it. So, next person being asked, how often do you think about
53:42
the Roman Empire? How often do you think about the Roman Empire? Roman
53:46
Empire daily? How Alston do you think about the Roman Empire? Just now
53:51
because you brought it in? How Alton do you think about the Roman Empire?
53:54
How often do you think about the Roman Empire? How often do you
53:58
think about the Roman Empire? I haven't thought about the Roman Empire since I
54:01
was forced to in like high school. How often do you think about the
54:04
Roman Empire? Not very often? But how often do you think about the
54:08
Roman Empire? How often do you think about the Roman Empire? Constantly?
54:14
Really Constantinopoli? This isn't a school, so I don't know. Maybe those
54:22
guys are. Maybe this guy's a teacher. How often do you think about
54:23
the Roman Empire? I think all the time for real, because they remind
54:29
me of sports. Often do you think about the Roman Empire? Ye?
54:32
See what I'm saying. Yeah, there's a different thing to take away from
54:36
it, for sure. No, but there's the he's into sports, therefore
54:39
he's thinking a lot because they're you know, the letters and the stuff,
54:43
right, Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, okay, let's
54:46
keep going. Let's keep going. Roman Empire. How often do you think
54:52
about the Roman Empire? Probably more than people would think. How often do
54:55
you think about the Roman Empire? No, who, I'm gonna ask you
55:01
again? How often do you think about the Roman Empire? At least two
55:10
to three times a day? What do you think about? Well, when
55:17
I'm driving on the road, I think, man, we went from cobblestone's
55:21
to asphalt. So smooth, so much smooth. What were you telling me
55:25
about a cave? Oh? Yeah, in the Dead Sea caves they found
55:30
four very well preserved Roman swords. It's pretty cool. I'm just pausing for
55:37
the banana bation. Yeah. That's although I think that the copyright won't be
55:43
because it's a compilation. It's yeah, it's a super cut, but I
55:46
mean, like I you know, I don't want to roll the dice on
55:49
that anyway. So anyway, Yeah, let's they built durable roads. Yes,
55:57
I was all exciting, and you just think about this all day?
56:00
Yeah, every day? Why does she? I mean, it's so weird
56:07
to me that she finds it so like funny that we think about this stuff.
56:13
Maybe, you know, it's almost like it's almost like it's the first
56:15
time that women got to look into what kind of things men think about,
56:20
and they don't know how to handle it, because if you'd asked them about
56:23
something like I don't just think about the Roman Empire. I think about feudal
56:28
Japan. I think about the romance of the three kingdoms in ancient China,
56:32
the king dynasty, you know, I think about King Arthur. I think
56:36
about like the Civil War, World War two, World War One, like,
56:42
you know, all these things. I mean a lot of war stuff,
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for sure, But but I think about that though, because it's like
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this, the conflict is the same everywhere in the world at all points in
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history. So it's interesting whatever you do, you really what do you think
57:12
about? So like, what do you think about? What about it?
57:19
This is kind of loud, I'm sorry, but he says all the roads
57:22
lead there, and he says he thinks about Caesar. So yeah, it's
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still this is this This sound is awful. Yeah, I'm gonna skip this
57:30
one. That's your question, Okay, how often do you think about the
57:37
Roman Empire? How often do I think about the Roman Empire. Yeah,
57:44
pretty consistently. You're kidding, like, how many? Because I'm big into
57:50
martial arts, like seeing it's a different thing. How often? How often?
57:54
Yeah, do you think about the Roman Empire? Like a number weekly?
58:00
Thinking about it weekly? Think about like walking into the colisseum. It's
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like a fight to the death and people are around and cheering, like I
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have to win. I think about it constantly. Is that the only way
58:17
that you think about it? Already? Think about like other things Now,
58:21
I think about society and politics and like how corrupt, aren't you know the
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upper portion of our society is and how the lower portion is always kind of
58:30
picking up the pieces. I think about that a lot. Guy's kind of
58:37
based basically what I was talking about too. Yeah. Yeah, They're thinking
58:43
about infrastructure, They're thinking about social political systems, they think about social pressures,
58:47
thinking about cool uniforms, I suppose, and sports bad ass man.
58:55
It's like, okay, that's one thing that Romans got over the Vikings is
59:00
the Romans have the armor and the weapons. But anyway, I'm sorry,
59:06
and they had the tactics, but uh, the Vikings would never have really,
59:14
I know, no, I mean there was an overlapping like during the
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uh, the the the Eastern Empire, like, uh, there would have
59:25
been some the Virgin very very very Indian, I don't know how to pronounce
59:30
that. A guard would have come from a lot of I guess Scandinavian stock.
59:35
So, but then the Vikings would be fighting for the Eastern Roman Empire
59:40
as opposed to against it. So yeah, yeah, and at the time
59:45
there wasn't There wasn't a lot of they sort of abandoned their the whole legion
59:51
that kind of extremely disciplined uh uh drilling, like creating extremely disciplined, coordinated
59:58
organized army. There. It was one Eastern Empire emperor who went back to
1:00:05
that and had a lot of success, but that was close to the end.
1:00:07
I think of that of the Eastern Empire. I'd have to look it
1:00:10
up again, but anyway, go ahead. No, I was gonna say,
1:00:14
have you seen that meme? Like it's like how society wants men to
1:00:17
dress, how men actually want to dress, And it's like it's like a
1:00:22
man in a suit for the first one and the other one he's got he's
1:00:25
wearing armor. I'm just it's it's so true, Like I mean, it's
1:00:31
not practical. But I'm you know, a suit of armor in my house
1:00:36
would be fucking cool as shit. So yeah, yeah, I would totally
1:00:43
like in like yeah, I mean, unfortunately, I can't be like authentic
1:00:46
because Tino, like Indians, they they didn't wear armor. They had like
1:00:52
I would be wearing like banana leaves and shit, I'm not gonna do that.
1:00:55
But but yeah, like like whatever, I don't care if it's crusader
1:01:00
shit or if it's Viking shit or Samurai shit. I think armor is looking
1:01:05
cool. So anyway, let's uh, let's let's keep going. I'm shocked.
1:01:10
I don't I haven't thought about the Roman Empire and never what kind of
1:01:15
what kind of trick is this? This is not a trick, I'm shocked
1:01:19
a trick nix Small. They're like, there's this trend of all these women
1:01:25
asking their boyfriends husbands how much you think about the Roman Empire? And I
1:01:30
just thought, like this hat wasn't real. No, like men, I
1:01:34
think to our court were warriors. We have to be ready for battle at
1:01:37
all times, and the Roman Empire is all about battle common sense. I
1:01:44
am shook. That's a big simplification. They were. They were actually very
1:01:50
successful, but much more successful because when they pacified a region, they actually
1:01:54
brought benefit to it. So what was happening is that these regions wouldn't necessarily
1:02:02
if another force invaded, they wouldn't rebel against the Roman Empire or the Roman
1:02:07
Republic because they they had infrastructure built by Romans and they were settled by Romans.
1:02:15
So it is more complicated than oh, yeah, they were just fighters.
1:02:19
They were really they were really good at being statesman as well, and
1:02:23
the idea that for sure for them the first step in conquering, conquering,
1:02:30
even though it was more like they ended up getting sucked into other people's conflicts.
1:02:35
The first step was to pacify the people, but then to build up
1:02:40
the region with infrastructure, with you know, aqueducts, roads, you know,
1:02:45
it's like that scene and from the Monty Pythons The Life of Brian.
1:02:51
What's the Roman Empire? What's the Roman? What are the Romans ever done
1:02:54
for us? And then they list a whole bunch of things that was actually
1:03:00
true, and it was why they could hold land. They could hold together
1:03:06
a wide swath sloth swath swap swash swap, wide swap. It's like a
1:03:19
swath, but with paths like rote, they could hold that together and resist
1:03:28
invasion because they didn't just like previously, other states, and I don't even
1:03:32
know if you call them states, other royal lineages would basically go into another
1:03:39
place, you know, subjugate the people and then demand tribute and offer nothing
1:03:45
in return, because the idea was that you know you were subjugated, therefore
1:03:51
you now owed. It was sort of like protection money. You now owed
1:03:54
the person who'd subjugated you money in order for them to not go back and
1:03:59
beat the shit out to you again. Right, But that wasn't really the
1:04:02
more Roman philosophy. It was more about the first step was to passify militarily
1:04:09
and then to build up the region, which also helped to keep it within
1:04:14
control because now they had roads to bring their legions back. It's necessary.
1:04:18
But again, when you're starting to use those roads and those then you're you're
1:04:23
calling it quote unquote colonizers are actually bringing significant benefit. Then you know you're
1:04:29
less inclined to want to throw off the yoke. When some asshole rolls over
1:04:32
the hills and says, ah, yeah, you help us go, you
1:04:36
know, defeat the Romans, and you're like, well, but does that
1:04:40
mean we have to give up our our aqueducts, you know, So that
1:04:45
that's that's it's a little bit of a simplification because they were more than just
1:04:49
Roman warriors. There were statesmen, you know, and that was a big
1:04:54
part of their success. Okay, let's continue keep going. Yeah, sure,
1:05:00
Babet, how often do you think about the Roman Empire more than you
1:05:12
believe? Like? How often my logic, I think about Nero and Caligula
1:05:23
oath? Like how often like daily or weekly? No, I'm asking you
1:05:30
are interesting choices like how often at least once a week? For real,
1:05:36
at least once a week. That was pretty dope, I tell you,
1:05:45
I can't say it. He is Collegula. I mean I saw the movie.
1:05:54
Unfortunately, I was just aligulent roma on your Oh those are some very
1:06:00
interesting choices. Yeah, talk about it from the kid in front of the
1:06:06
kids. Okay, I think we know. All right, let's keep going.
1:06:13
You want to linger on this one? Well, it does give you
1:06:15
a peek in the you know that some male psychology. I mean, with
1:06:20
all of these, like when you take them all to consideration together, often
1:06:26
do you think about the Roman Empire about? Yeah? Every day? Yeah,
1:06:40
Hey, Dade. You know what I want to point out. Yeah,
1:06:44
okay, so the one the guys who have women in their lives,
1:06:47
and a lot of them are obviously fathers, and in their long term relationships,
1:06:51
they're the ones who think about Rome. And that woman just sort of
1:06:54
went and talked to her co workers and they some of them were like no
1:06:59
or never her. Yeah. Yeah, So it's interesting that there's this bit
1:07:02
a bit of a contrast here. You know, maybe they don't feel comfortable
1:07:06
revealing that kind of stuff with her, or alternatively, maybe they're men who
1:07:14
think about Rome are more likely to be in long term relationships. Yeah,
1:07:18
who knows. Well, it's true maybe, like you know, these men
1:07:24
that are in the workplace with that woman, I think it was a school
1:07:28
they didn't really feel like close enough to her to tell her what they really
1:07:30
think. But it's it is also another way you could and I'm you know,
1:07:35
speculating here, I don't know, but if maybe, if you are
1:07:39
a father, you are thinking about more than just like the right now,
1:07:44
right You're thinking about your children and and what was what you're gonna leave for
1:07:48
them, and you're gonna be looking at it in the in the sense of
1:07:51
legacy. And then that means you're also going to look backwards, you know,
1:07:56
at other previous legacies to see, like what would you like, you
1:08:00
know, your kids to be I sort of like the minimum, you know,
1:08:05
because obviously the standards of living are much higher now than they were in
1:08:10
Rome. But the there's still a lot from that. Yeah, but there's
1:08:15
still a lot from that period that we're taking for granted that we could have
1:08:20
well, let me let mere social stuff though, go ahead. Rome would
1:08:25
probably be much more recognizable to us than the qualid rest of the world.
1:08:30
Yeah, Like just like people with who are about with about the intellect of
1:08:38
a of a of a dog, and you know, and all around the
1:08:43
world they don't have they aren't much more than animals, you know. And
1:08:48
uh, and then you have Rome, and the people in Rome would have
1:08:51
been a lot more recognizable to us mentally than anybody else in that world at
1:08:58
that time. Yeah. Yeah, okay, let's keep going, all right,
1:09:01
let's keep going. I get a question, huh, A question for
1:09:06
you? Give me one thing? I hold that up? Boys could be
1:09:09
called that. Yeah, sorry, how often do you think about the Roman
1:09:15
Empire, like specifically or an abstract just just that's a good point, Like,
1:09:27
well, I mean we learned a lot of lessons from the Roman Empire.
1:09:30
Like a lot of our military strategy comes from the Roman Empire. A
1:09:32
lot of our like modern plumbing comes round an oract like I guess in that
1:09:35
case, like I don't know as as as often as like maybe once a
1:09:42
week, once a week, like an abstract yeah, like how often am
1:09:48
I specifically thinking about like the Roman Empire? Like I don't know, maybe
1:09:53
more like once a month, but like, I mean, we learned a
1:09:57
lot from the Romans. Yeah, we live often. Yeah, I don't
1:10:00
even remember what the empire was in school? Your husband, I think about
1:10:10
the Roman Empire? Did I give an answer that is like stereotypically guy?
1:10:14
So good? You do me? I mean, it's but I think she
1:10:23
thinks this is really funny. But I think that what's sad is that these
1:10:27
women none of them get it. They don't get it. Like I'm like,
1:10:31
what what are you thinking about? Like what like if you know,
1:10:35
if you find out what I'm thinking about is shocking? What are you thinking
1:10:39
about? That's why? I like, do you think about like potentially becoming
1:10:44
a concubine and some like you know under Genghis Khan, Like, is that
1:10:48
is that what you think about? I don't know. I don't know.
1:10:54
It's just funny and it's like you you know, I learned about it in
1:10:58
high school, but that's not what I took like I was getting in and
1:11:01
all of my other media. You know, I mentioned ben Her and Spartacus
1:11:08
the movie, not the show. That's just like a bunch of dick.
1:11:13
I didn't watch the show because I didn't have cable. But or there was
1:11:15
an HBO show called Rome. I never saw that either, So, I
1:11:18
mean, though obviously there was always a market, there was always interest.
1:11:21
But it's weird that these women find it shocking that men are thinking about history.
1:11:27
Essentially, it's history we're talking about, right, Well, I mean
1:11:30
I'll like, yeah, Roma's but also what about you know, Renaissance Italy.
1:11:38
Yeah, how about the French monarchy all this stuff leading up to the
1:11:42
French Revolution, but the American Revolution, like British history, all of this
1:11:45
stuff is fascinating. Yeah, let's let's let's do it. Let's sit here
1:11:49
with this guy. How depends on what the books I read, But generally,
1:12:10
if I'm not reading any like books that had some kind of historical.
1:12:13
I don't know. It's like probably the ones every other week or more often,
1:12:17
depend on the book. If a book references it that I'm I thinking
1:12:20
about a Look, we're not recording. It's a topic that comes up on
1:12:30
history books because it catches all the things. So if it's in a book,
1:12:35
how do you about it? What are you thinking about that's in the
1:12:39
book. If it's about technological innovation, and then it could be acroducts or
1:12:46
something. If it's a book about how Europe to keep a thing, it
1:12:53
could be warm. Or if it's a good book about government. A lot
1:12:56
of governments rooted in the Uh. These guys are so adorable. I want
1:13:10
to hug them. Oh oh, I want plushies of them. They're so
1:13:15
cute. Their responses are so adorable. Like and now I've discovered the secret
1:13:23
appeal to HBr. It's the fact that I'm obsessed with Rome. And yeah,
1:13:29
apparently I never understood it until today. Yay, Oh, I have
1:13:38
a purpose. Okay, let's let's let's find out what. Yeah, let's
1:13:45
run out. Let's hear what the people in the dementia wing of the of
1:13:51
the of the Old Old Civilian civilizations homes have to say before we do.
1:13:59
I don't know if you want to see if there's any thank yous, or
1:14:01
if you're under any arm twisting or whatever. Yeah, it's it's been sort
1:14:04
of quiet today. You guys are not it's not an interesting topic. Yeah,
1:14:10
I mean, does this topic not interest you? Guys? You're not
1:14:13
getting your mom You're not entertain Oh man, okay, all right, well
1:14:23
whatever. We might be having something coming through as a super child, but
1:14:26
it seems to be it's in the pipe. I don't think it's gone through
1:14:30
yet. It's in the pipe. We'll see if it's we'll see if it
1:14:32
succeeds, and if it isn't, I'll give me. Yeah, I guess
1:14:35
whoever. We just started this, so I'm not expecting you know much today.
1:14:40
So all right, so let's look at this rolling stone thing. So
1:14:44
there are very few people who know more about the history of ancient Rome than
1:14:46
Mike Duncan, the creator and hosts of the tremendously popular History of Rome podcast,
1:14:50
which first aired between two thousand and seven and twenty twelve. Duncan has
1:14:55
essentially devoted his career to studying the inner workings of the Roman Empire, also
1:14:59
writing a book, The Storm Before the Storm, which appeared on the New
1:15:01
York Times Best seller list on the topic. And I got a super child
1:15:09
from Hothead Studios. Let's sit it, and he gives us five dollars,
1:15:14
but he does not attach a comment. So Hothead Studios, if you meant
1:15:19
to say something, just make a post in whatever live chat you're in and
1:15:28
tag at badge of live streams. I will be on the lookout for your
1:15:31
comment and I'll read it if you meant to attach a message. Otherwise,
1:15:34
thank you so much for the support. Appreciate it. Okay. So,
1:15:40
when a trend started circulating on TikTok of women asking their husbands and boyfriends how
1:15:45
often they think about the Roman Empire, only for them to immediately respond that
1:15:48
they think about it on a daily basis, Duncan seemed like the perfect person
1:15:51
away in, As he told Rolling Stone on Friday, quote, the trend
1:15:56
is so potent it pulled me back on a Twitter for the first time in
1:15:59
months. I'm getting tagged by everyone about everything. End quote. Rolling Stone
1:16:04
spoke with Duncan by phone to discuss ancient rome, why men love it so
1:16:09
much, and which celebrities think about it on a daily basis. Mark Zuckerberg,
1:16:13
Yes, Beyonce not so much. Well yeah, okay, prepare yourselves
1:16:16
for some serious one good man spam from Duncan, who incidutely does not have
1:16:23
any expertise in male psychology despite being a man. That means he's only talking
1:16:29
about himself when he speaks in this. So, all of the one good
1:16:32
men who think that you're you're I don't know what you think you're doing by
1:16:36
dumping on other men. You're talking about yourselves when you talk about men.
1:16:42
You're not talking about men, You're talking about yourselves. So let's find out
1:16:45
what Duncan. Why Duncan thinks about the Roman Empire? All right, Okay,
1:16:49
unless I'm being I'm pre pre judging him. I don't know. I
1:16:54
was going to jump to a specific question because they haven't they haven't laid out
1:16:58
in a Q and A fashion, and some of this stuff is like whatever,
1:17:02
you mentioned that the woman in the TikTok was flabbergascid that her husband thought
1:17:08
about the history of ancient Rome that much. Were you flabbergascid by how quickly
1:17:12
he responded to that question? No, I laughed, of course, because
1:17:15
it's great stuff. The fact that you know just without even missing a beat.
1:17:19
The only thing that is surprising about it is that usually when guys think
1:17:23
about something like the Roman Empire once per day, they often feel compelled to
1:17:27
share the fact that they were thinking about the Roman Empire. So it's a
1:17:30
little funny to me that the women and their wives didn't know that they were
1:17:33
thinking about the Roman Empire. Actually, I don't think that they are.
1:17:38
Also, all of these women were surprised by the response of their men.
1:17:42
Yes, okay, So what you are saying, Duncan is what happens in
1:17:46
your life to your wife, not any other men like this is this is
1:17:51
Duncan saying his wife knows that he thinks about Rome. What a surprise if
1:17:56
he's married, that the person who produced a five year podcast on Rome,
1:18:00
his wife knows that he thinks about Rome. Shocking, Like the salopsism is
1:18:05
strong with this individual. All right, let's keep going, all right,
1:18:12
let's see. Uh, that's what's so funny to me about it. It's
1:18:17
not even so much the answer as it is the fact that none of these
1:18:20
men are surprised by the question at all. They've been waiting for their entire
1:18:25
lives to be asked this question. Well, actually they were surprised, but
1:18:29
they were I didn't I didn't what I Well, first of all, some
1:18:35
of them were aware of TikTok trends with husbands, so they weren't surprised by
1:18:43
strange questions by from their wife. But I didn't really get the sense that
1:18:47
they felt much in any particular way, like surprised or not surprised. It
1:18:54
was just like their wife asked them a freaking question, as wives, do
1:18:58
you know? Yeah, Hotshead Studios attached to comment to his super child.
1:19:05
He put it in The Life Child. He says, I did leave a
1:19:09
comment saying I don't think about Roman the Roman Empire often, but I have
1:19:12
been reading Stoic philosophy to help with some difficulty I've had over the past year.
1:19:17
Well there, I think there is a relationship there. No, you
1:19:21
know, because the Romans did take a lot from the Greeks, and that's
1:19:27
probably where the parallels are. That's the thing, like, you know,
1:19:30
you can think about these things indirectly, and I think a lot of a
1:19:35
lot of the men in this video when they answer that, they were essentially
1:19:40
saying they look around them and they see stuff that links back to that,
1:19:45
you know, I mean the West comes from Rome essentially, right, So
1:19:50
yeah, yeah, when you're basically squatting in the ruins of another another civilization,
1:19:58
or alternatively, we really we are that civilization. We are Roman civilization.
1:20:02
We are what remains of it. That guy was right, you know
1:20:05
when you put it, put his tactics heart, that we are we are
1:20:10
it. He's right, we are it. And the big lesson to take
1:20:15
from the fall of the Western Empire is that you got to fix the issue
1:20:23
of young men not being connected to your society. And the Eastern Empire continued
1:20:30
because it had fixed that issue, and that that's an important lesson to take
1:20:35
that you need to fix the process of family formation. And that's what the
1:20:41
Eastern Empire was Christian Yeah, and Christianity fixed that problem in Rome the end.
1:20:48
YE think that in a way Christianity could only have come about. It
1:20:54
was like a perfect storm of like Hebrew and Roman stuff coming together. I
1:21:01
think that's why. I think that's that was like the fertile ground for Christianity
1:21:08
to come about. But that's just my theory. I mean, oh yeah,
1:21:13
so I guess you want to finish that question. Yeah, so let
1:21:16
me see. Oh yeah, I mean I've joked with friends of mine that
1:21:20
the words that every man wants to hear is what does SPQR mean? And
1:21:27
and then the person interviewer says what does it mean? And the guy says,
1:21:30
the Senate and the people of Rome, And it's kind of a thing.
1:21:32
It's the kind of thing that would be emblazoned on armor and helmets,
1:21:35
and the Romans are carrying around. You still see it every place in Italy.
1:21:40
Actually, you see it around here too. I see the SPQR everywhere
1:21:45
actually, so yeah, you're kind of surrounded by it. All right,
1:21:48
So I'm gonna go down to there's another question. Yeah, here we go.
1:21:54
Well, I guess the million dollar question here is why do men obsess
1:21:58
over the ancient Roman Empire? All Right? He just said, didn't he
1:22:02
just say that men? This whole line of questioning. I'm actually warming to
1:22:08
dunk in here because he basically said, this whole line of questioning suggests men
1:22:12
obsess over the Roman Empire, but they don't. And now this idiot who's
1:22:17
interviewer, the literally leading rolling Stone income poop, is leading him with this
1:22:25
question. Because if you go back up, go back up, and I'll
1:22:29
just I'll quickly read this. What is your general reaction to the trend?
1:22:32
A couple of things. One is that I think people can conflate the idea
1:22:34
that somebody would think about the Roman Empire once per day with the idea that
1:22:38
men in their lives are only thinking about the Roman Empire every day, that
1:22:41
we're sort of obsessively thinking about it NonStop. I think the Roman Empire is
1:22:45
a historical topic, a hobby or an interest, and we all think about,
1:22:48
like various other little hobbies and interest we have in our lives, at
1:22:51
least once per day. Okay, So he's basically saying, no, it's
1:22:54
doesn't indicate men are obsessed, right, But this guy's trying to suggest that
1:22:59
they are obsessed, as he says, why do men obsess over the ancient
1:23:02
Roman Empire? Okay? So his answer is, well, I think this
1:23:08
is true of the demographics of the people who listen to my show and the
1:23:12
people who buy my books, is that it does tend to be more male
1:23:15
heavy, and I think a lot of it probably can come back to Roman
1:23:18
history becoming equivalent to military history, and military history is definitely something that is
1:23:24
always going to be more of interest to men than women. Just on a
1:23:28
practical level. It's a lot of stuff about battles and armies and generals.
1:23:32
It's for the same reasons that we see a lot of dads getting super into
1:23:35
World War two or the Civil War or the Napoleonic era. There is something
1:23:40
that draws men to these kinds of those kinds of military stuff. The Roman
1:23:44
Empire was also an incredibly patriarchal society. Okay, let us let us let
1:23:50
us unpack this a bit. Well, first of all, what's really fascinating
1:23:56
to me, what really is fascinating to me about in history is not just
1:24:01
the fact that they were a military superpower of their time, and they did
1:24:04
so without much technological uh advantage over their opponents. In fact, a lot
1:24:11
of the Germanic or that the peoples that they fought against had better better metallurgy
1:24:15
than they did. They did it solely through social organization. And what's fascinating
1:24:21
to me about that is how that mentality changed, how Rome somehow changed men's
1:24:30
mentality towards war. So prior to Rome, I mean not so much.
1:24:34
With the planis in please say the word pleaselinked in great times, which used
1:24:43
which was the previous like the Spartan military. Yeah, well not all of
1:24:47
the Greeks did that, but that was the previous military. Uh, like
1:24:53
super weapon was the organization of that. But they the role managed to take
1:25:00
this idea of military discipline and organization and cooperation and perfected to such a degree
1:25:06
that that itself became a military superweapon. And one of the things that really
1:25:12
fascinates me in it, it sort of encapsulates what makes it fascinating is during
1:25:16
the First Punic War against Carthage, the Romans were completely trounced in terms of
1:25:24
their navy, like Carthage was a naval power, like the pre eminent naval
1:25:28
power of the Mediterranean of the time, and the Romans did not stand a
1:25:31
chance because they were landlocked farmers. And yet somehow they managed to win.
1:25:40
And they did it. And though it's the way that they did it which
1:25:43
was so fascinating. They didn't just reverse engineer a win out of their naval
1:25:48
losses. They created a system of learning naval warfare. So while they were
1:25:57
learning naval warfare, they created a system to turn evil warfare into infantry warfare.
1:26:01
Using the Corvus which was like a beaked plank, which they would they'd
1:26:06
bring their their their vessels up to the Carthaginian vessels, throw down this plank,
1:26:13
and then just turn everything into an infantry mela. But that was just
1:26:16
the first step. That was just to keep Carthage off their back. As
1:26:20
they developed, they used directed learning like conscious learning to develop their naval their
1:26:27
abilities in terms of naval power. And then they beat Carthage, and they
1:26:30
did it with such a self aware system of steps. It's utterly astounding,
1:26:36
like this is this is this should people should look at the Punic the first
1:26:41
Punic War and be like how did this happen? Because this represents a completely
1:26:46
different mentality than men have had prior. I mean, during the Iron Age,
1:26:50
it seems like civilization would sort of squat on its own little technological expertise,
1:26:57
and then you know, it would be like a game of rock paper
1:27:00
scissors. You know, they would have the Carthaginians would be really good at
1:27:04
using iron works to make it to build a really powerful navy. This other
1:27:10
culture might be really good at making crossbows or whatever, and they would neutralize
1:27:15
each other so they would there would be this whole patchwork of states, each
1:27:18
with their own particular technological expertise and form, and that's how they maintain their
1:27:24
boundaries. And then Rome just blew that all out of the water because they
1:27:30
could reverse engineer victory from defeat. They could take a horrendous loss and then
1:27:38
sit back and say, well, we don't want to do that again,
1:27:41
and just get back up and do it. Whereas other cultures at the time,
1:27:44
the men and the cultures at the time, if they endured that horrendous
1:27:47
loss, the shame paralyzed them and they surrendered to be castrated or turn into
1:27:53
slaves, right, But not Roman men. They were just like, yes,
1:27:56
defeat is just the beginning. You know, that is a complete change
1:28:00
in psychology for men, complete change. Before then you could have conquerors like
1:28:05
Alexander the Great going around and conquering other cultures by simply hitting that shame button
1:28:12
over and over again. Big defeat men are in shame, they can't fight
1:28:15
back. Is done. Not Rome. You know that I said, the
1:28:18
feat is just the beginning for us, because they had this means of overcoming
1:28:23
that shame. And if you look at it, if you look at their
1:28:27
mythology, you can see the means the genesis of that means in the mythology
1:28:32
of the Sabine Women. So at the very heart of the so called fucking
1:28:36
patriarchal system is this completely new way of seeing the relationship between men and women
1:28:43
as described in the Myth of the Sabine Women. Okay, and before then,
1:28:48
if you look at Herodontus or all the other they talked about how women's
1:28:54
sexuality. Men had to be able to protect women's sexuality, so they had
1:28:59
to have that military power or they were nothing. Okay, So that's why
1:29:04
they would suffer one big defeat and that would be it. They would be
1:29:08
subject to paralyzing shame because that was where their identity lay, right, They
1:29:15
had to have that military power. And yes, Rome was very much about
1:29:19
having military power, but it had a more self aware approach to it.
1:29:26
So when they had that defeat, it was just the beginning, because they
1:29:30
didn't seem to invest their identity as much in being able to protect the women
1:29:36
sexually, if that makes sense, and the Sabine women by saying, you
1:29:41
know, kill us instead of fighting over our sexuality like that. Okay,
1:29:45
So the myth of the Sabine Women. I don't know if anybody knows it.
1:29:47
Essentially, the Roman men realized they had no women, and they went
1:29:51
over to the Sabine tribe courted the women. The Sabine fathers were like,
1:29:56
yeah, no, there, they're skezzy, and but then they went back
1:30:00
and kidnapped the women, brought them to Rome. For seven years, the
1:30:02
save By men did nothing for I don't know, maybe maybe traffic was bad.
1:30:06
And then they came back and they started fighting, and that the two
1:30:11
groups of men were fighting over the Sabine women, because in that time,
1:30:15
if you could not defend your women, you were nothing, nothing right.
1:30:20
But at some point during the fight, when it looks like the Romans were
1:30:25
gonna win and the Sabine men were gonna lose, the save Mine women rushed
1:30:29
the battlefield, which is incredibly dangerous by the way, and they said,
1:30:31
kill us. If the fight is over us, kill us instead of each
1:30:36
other. And that changed everything. And I think that is the source of
1:30:43
why the Romans won the Punic War, the first Punic War, why they
1:30:46
were able to reverse engineered defeat from victory because they no longer invested their identity
1:30:53
that kind of shame in being able to check their women's sexuality. The shame
1:31:00
was gone and it was replaced by guilt. Because there's a difference here.
1:31:06
Shame is paralyzing, but when you think, okay, well I've lost,
1:31:12
but Rome still stands, so there's a chance, there's a chance to protect
1:31:16
Rome, that's guilt. It gets you the buck back up and fighting on,
1:31:21
whereas shame is like, I have nothing left to fight with because this
1:31:27
victory reflects on who I am as a man, or this loss reflects on
1:31:30
who I am as a man. Well, doesn't matter if it reflects on
1:31:32
who you are as a man. If Rome is still there and standing,
1:31:35
then you get the fuck up and you keep fighting. Yeah, that's the
1:31:40
difference, and that came from a revolution in the relationship between men and women,
1:31:47
and that is fascinating to me. So you can yap about how much
1:31:51
oh it's all patriarchy, patriarchy war. No, it's deeper than that.
1:31:56
It's also deeply about the psychology of men and women and our relationship to each
1:32:00
other and what can happen if we just change it, change how they relate,
1:32:06
and what is possible. Like, can't emphasize this enough that what they
1:32:12
did during the First Punic War was unbelievable, insane, and then the Second
1:32:15
Punic Warp hold, he crap. They were doing things that were that at
1:32:20
the time were superpowers. Like people there were other cultures were just in awe
1:32:29
of these men. They were terrified of them because of what they could do
1:32:32
mentally and what they could endure mentally. And I mean on the one general
1:32:42
that that made during the Second Punic War, it was it was Hannibal that
1:32:46
invaded Italy. The one general that terrified him, it wasn't necessarily the one
1:32:51
that ended up defeating him was named Fabius, and he Fabian, and he
1:32:58
there's a strategy of delaying guerilla warfare that's named after him. He refused to
1:33:02
engage Hannibal and pitched battle and simply used the countryside to essentially just keep him
1:33:16
harried and keep him wasting his energy and dissipating his military power. That's how
1:33:24
and we used that now that was called guerrilla warfare. It's also called Fabian
1:33:28
strategy. And Hannibal was terrified of him because he Fabian could walk away from
1:33:34
a fight he did not have. He knew how to control himself enough not
1:33:40
to be baited into big set piece battles, and that was scary. That
1:33:44
was a man who Hannibal couldn't control using the means that he understood, that
1:33:50
were understandable to him, because with at the time the Bronze Age or the
1:33:57
what we inherited after the Bronze Age, you didn't come to the fight,
1:34:00
then you weren't a man. The Fabian was like, yeah, I don't
1:34:02
give a fuck. I'm going to protect Rome. You can be a man
1:34:05
all you want, you know, but my purpose is to protect Rome.
1:34:11
And that's a completely it's radical change, it's fascinating. So to say that
1:34:15
Rome is only about patriarch, he's no nonsense anyway. Yeah, obviously,
1:34:20
and again he didn't even like he doesn't really know the trend, because we
1:34:24
just watched the video, the super cut, and there were all kinds of
1:34:28
different reasons. Yes, some of them were about like the armies and the
1:34:30
military and all that, but a lot of were about other things aqueducts,
1:34:34
rhoades, you know, sports, like all kinds of stuff, society,
1:34:40
the politics, the architecture. So obviously this guy doesn't he doesn't didn't really
1:34:45
pay a lot of attention or he doesn't understand men. Well, he doesn't
1:34:49
understand me. He understands Rome, but he doesn't understand men. Yeah,
1:34:53
he doesn't understand men. But anyway, I'll finish reading this, but first
1:34:57
I got another super another super channel from Richard Bier and his name is John
1:35:06
six, and he says for five dollars, these women are shocked that their
1:35:15
partners aren't thinking about important things, such as the Kardashians or I am Jazz.
1:35:19
Women will tend to hyper focus on what to them appears to be a
1:35:24
danger to the extent that other less obvious dangers get ignored or not noticed.
1:35:29
Consider how many people didn't get any vibes around Ted Bundy. Yes, there
1:35:32
are accounts circulating about some people, usually anonymized, meeting someone who gave them
1:35:38
a certain feeling and staying away or getting away from him, and later finding
1:35:41
out that he was Ted Bundy. Of course these are dated to a time
1:35:45
before he was the prime suspect. Well, I think that there is another.
1:35:50
I think that women are concerned with the social like the social benefit of
1:35:58
knowing something like if you are if you're keeping up with whatever the latest reality
1:36:02
TV show is, then you have something to talk about with friends. And
1:36:08
then it's sort of like, you know, increases your social cohesion with those
1:36:12
people. But men don't prioritize that generally. I think they have hobbies and
1:36:17
stuff, and that's where that comes in. But yeah, history is not
1:36:23
like something, it's it's obviously the opposite of whatever is current. So so
1:36:29
I mean that's my thinking. But thank you Richard, and I got a
1:36:31
super chat from Albatross for five dollars and he says, is it an obsession
1:36:36
with the Roman Empire or is it just the fact that recent and ancient history
1:36:41
is interesting to learn about? Well, yeah, it's I think again we
1:36:45
were s same that fascinating. Yeah, it's fascinating. And again you see,
1:36:48
it's probably a good idea to know it because it tends to rhyme.
1:36:54
So okay, so I think the next paragraph is going to have a lot
1:36:58
to do with what I just said. So I haven't finished this one yet,
1:37:00
so yeah, let me let's read the next part of the part of
1:37:03
this all right. So it's for the same reasons that we see a lot
1:37:08
of Dad's getting super into world. Okay, the Roman Empire was also an
1:37:13
incredibly patriarchal society. If you dive into those sources and you start reading about
1:37:17
it, it can be fascinating, But everywhere you're looking, you're just talking
1:37:20
about men doing this and men doing that. We're not, okay, I
1:37:26
want to address the patriarchal society. What the hell are you comparing this too?
1:37:30
Like when people use the term patriarchal society, I'm like, well,
1:37:34
all right, let's let's look at that. I think patriarch just means recognizing
1:37:39
men's contribution. Well, it's not even that. It's like every single society
1:37:43
on Earth, men lead. Yeah, they lead militarily and they generally lead
1:37:46
politically. They lead. That's because men have lower risk assessment, like they
1:37:51
have high risk tolerance, so they tend to be in positions of more risk.
1:37:57
Okay, that's it, And it's not humans our nearest relatives. Male's
1:38:02
lead. Most social mammals, males lead our nearest biological model, which is
1:38:10
actually wolves, not chimps. Male's lead. They lead the hunt generally.
1:38:16
Okay, But what's interesting is that females. For example, in chimps society,
1:38:24
the male's lead, but if the females don't like the leader, he's
1:38:28
gone. In wolf society, male's lead, but the female still wins the
1:38:35
food contests a lot of the time during pregnancy or lactation, so there's still
1:38:41
this kind of protective urge towards the female, the desire to provide and protect
1:38:45
for the female. The main female wolf, like all of the other wolves,
1:38:50
are there to provide and protect for her when she's pregnant and lactating and
1:38:56
feeding the pups, and then they provide for the pups when she's able to
1:39:00
hunt for herself. Okay, that's how wolves do. That's so how humans
1:39:03
do, because wolves in many ways are our nearest model. I mean,
1:39:06
they're even finding that wolves might have a form of culture, all right,
1:39:10
and in what a surprise that our nearest model is also our nearest companion.
1:39:14
Okay, I'm going to point this out. What is in comparing this too
1:39:20
all social mammals, The male's lead, our nearest relatives, the male's lead,
1:39:28
our nearest model social model of animal, social model, the male's lead.
1:39:32
Every civilization the male's lead. Okay, this is a given. He
1:39:39
might as well say the Roman emperor was also an incredibly society. Yeah well,
1:39:45
okay, it's an incredibly society. Okay, it's an incredibly sociant.
1:39:49
Oh well, that's great. What what do you mean what what is incredibly
1:39:54
society? Okay, that's as adding nothing, it's nothing. Word pai.
1:40:00
I feel like it's a problem that it's a patriarchal society. Where was your
1:40:04
series on Lesbos? Okay, it's not like every single society is patriot you
1:40:11
might as well. It's an incredibly society size society. Like you can replace
1:40:16
the word patriarchy with society. You can replace the word patriarchy with social group.
1:40:21
Okay, it was an incredibly social group. The Roman Empire was an
1:40:26
incredibly social group. Like, this is adding nothing, it's nothing, adds
1:40:31
nothing. Why what do you this is why? I say, what are
1:40:34
you comparing it to other societies At the time, the the belonging of the
1:40:41
society was embodied by the king, by the guy with who could who could
1:40:46
enforce the most power, you know, basically the mafia boss. That was
1:40:51
who everybody belonged to. In Roman society, everybody belonged to. Rome are
1:41:00
soonified by Roma, which was a female personification of the Roman identity. It's
1:41:05
the same as we have like Columbia, the female personification of Columbias, I
1:41:13
think the female personification of the US, and it's you know, how countries
1:41:16
are personified by women in our time, Like, we have these national identities
1:41:21
and you have the female that embodies them, that was started with Rome.
1:41:27
So they belonged to this kind of a female concept and you are calling that
1:41:32
patriarchal. Okay, that's like calling the church patriarchal. And everybody worships God,
1:41:39
damn Mother Mary, Like, think about that. Everybody feels like they
1:41:44
belong to this mythic image of the feminine. Is it really? Is it
1:41:49
really? If what is holding their idea of belonging is a feminine concept?
1:41:58
And again is that is that a patriarchal society when you compare it to those
1:42:02
societies in which everybody belonged to the king? Is this concept? Is this
1:42:12
Roman concept of a national identity embodied by a feminine, a feminine personification patriarchal
1:42:19
relative to everybody being owned by a freaking king? Like delusional bullshit. Here
1:42:28
Again, saying a society as patriarchal is adding nothing, because every society is
1:42:32
led by men. But there's a difference between a society in which the belonging
1:42:36
is embodied by a king and the society which the belonging is embodied by the
1:42:40
female personification of a nation. Do you see a difference there? Yeah,
1:42:45
fucking moron. He does nothing about what's worth knowing about Rome, and yet
1:42:50
he wrote this podcast. Great kid, Sorry, I'm just getting a little
1:42:55
place, all right. We're not really ever talking about what the women were
1:43:00
doing or how women were living. If you're sort of glancing around looking for
1:43:04
something to get into, it's like, well, the Roman Empire is a
1:43:08
lot of men doing war, and if that's not your jam, then the
1:43:10
Roman Empire is not going to be of interest for you. Why aren't you
1:43:13
talking about that? Yeah? Why aren't you talking about the women? But
1:43:15
also, like again, I just went through a video, like some of
1:43:19
the men were talking about the war and the tactics, but a lot of
1:43:23
them were not. So you know, it's it's a little unfair. Or
1:43:26
this guy clearly thinks he thinks he knows what men take from something because he
1:43:30
thinks he knows men, but he doesn't, And of course he thinks he's
1:43:33
not like those men. Right, But if he also didn't really talk about
1:43:38
what the women were doing, well, I mean, but he's also saying
1:43:41
exactly what he did. Okay, you did a whole podcast on Roman history,
1:43:45
and apparently you decided that it wasn't important to talk about women. Okay,
1:43:48
congratulations, like you did that. That's great, this is what you
1:43:54
did. You don't have to do that. When you look at Rome.
1:43:58
You can also incorporate the influence of women if you stop seeing them as victims
1:44:02
of that society. It's really hard to incorporate the influence of a woman and
1:44:06
women in society if you're constantly seeing them a victims of it. Well,
1:44:12
I just think that. I think this is only in here because Rolling Stone
1:44:15
needed to get the word patriarchy in the into this article somehow. Now I
1:44:19
know, I said this guy's a buffoon and various other things like but but
1:44:24
he's being led by this No, I think the interview, I think he
1:44:29
believes it too. I think that it's normal to think that, you know
1:44:33
that, oh, we're better, we're better people now because it's the modern
1:44:36
times and the and the current day is better than previous days, and previous
1:44:41
days were bad because men were bad. I mean that's that. I think
1:44:44
that's you don't even have to be like next in this I know I'm to
1:44:49
take it. I take it back the next paragraph. This guy deserves being
1:44:54
called a fucking buffoon. Yeah, so next question from the interviewer. There
1:44:58
was another TikTok I saw around the same time that I saw this trend surfacing.
1:45:01
That was this woman talking about how if you want to compliment a straight
1:45:05
man in your life why, I don't know why we need to say straight,
1:45:09
but okay, you tell him that you think he would have done great
1:45:12
during the invasion of Normandy. Is there a similar thing going on with the
1:45:15
obsession with ancient Rome? Oh? Yes, there's really strong tendency to associate
1:45:23
yourself mentally with the senatorial aristocracy of Rome, which was this incredibly small population
1:45:29
inside the fuck are you even talking about? Who they think you? Who
1:45:32
the hell do you think? Who the hell do you think storm the beaches
1:45:39
of Normandy? Like you think it was the senatorial aristoc think it was the
1:45:46
Senate? The Senate? What god damn fucking I'm sorry, guys, I'm
1:45:56
getting a little bit feisty here, but this guy's I was thinking of listening
1:46:00
to his his podcast on Rome. I probably still will. It will definitely
1:46:04
be tainted by this bullshit though, Like there this, Okay, this had
1:46:10
nothing to do with his question. The people, the men who stormed the
1:46:15
beaches of Normandy were not the aristocracy. There may have been some guys who
1:46:18
are aristocrats, I mean in the officer class of the British, but for
1:46:23
the most part they were just dudes who had been conscripted or volunteered. Like
1:46:29
there were just random average dudes. Yep. And also, what the hell
1:46:33
are these women thinking saying? If you want to compliment a straight man in
1:46:36
your life, you tell them that you think you would have done great during
1:46:40
the invasion. Is yeah, you would maybe come back in one piece,
1:46:45
you wouldn't have lost a limb, Like I think you would have done great
1:46:48
completely by accident because you didn't catch some matillery. Like what the what is
1:46:54
this? Are the men more delusional than the women of doing this? M
1:47:00
Maybe they're just taking it as a compliment, like to their I don't know,
1:47:04
I don't know. Yeah, maybe maybe they're Maybe these men are so
1:47:08
starved for compliments. They're like, girl, if you were thrown into a
1:47:12
hail of bullets as cannon father, I bet you would have been accidentally spared.
1:47:20
Maybe they're just yeah, they're probably just taking it. They're just taking
1:47:24
what they can get. I'm like, I think this is a backhanded compliment,
1:47:27
but I'll take it. Wait, this guy's compounding it. Yeah,
1:47:32
all right, all right, anyway, it says, he goes on,
1:47:36
I mean, you're talking about a couple of dozens of families who are doing
1:47:41
very very well. Everybody else has an incredibly short lifespan. You're dying of
1:47:45
various diseases. There's no help compared to what there is healthcare the modern day.
1:47:49
I think he means you're doing subsistence. Are you know you're substance?
1:47:55
What do you understand what substanstence agricultural labor means? You fucking It means you
1:48:00
can't actually sustain a goddamn empire like subsistence agriculture is literally just they can only
1:48:08
make enough to survive. Are you fucking Okay? Where'd the empire come from?
1:48:13
Then? Huh? How did it manage to field an army if everybody's
1:48:16
doing subsistence agricultural labor? Okay, there has to be a surplus somewhere.
1:48:25
And so a lot of the people who try to romanticize what the Roman Empire
1:48:29
was and putting themselves into the Roman Empire imagine themselves being you know, the
1:48:32
Senator in a fine toga laying on his side being hand fed grapes. I
1:48:39
don't think that doesn't actually, I don't think so. That's a funny thing.
1:48:45
Also, that senator probably did a turn in battle, like yeah,
1:48:48
probably, whereas more likely than not they would have died at the age of
1:48:53
twenty eight because of an undiagnosed kidney stone while they were lying trying to plow
1:48:59
their lands. We would have all been the common people. Yeah, that's
1:49:03
yeah, like the common people who stormed the beaches of Normandy like this.
1:49:11
How it's like, oh, yeah, you said, it's it's just trying
1:49:15
to knock these guys, like these imagined men, yes, that have these
1:49:20
imagined ideas at Rome. He's taking what he assumes they believe, and then
1:49:26
he's knocking that down a peg. So he's like just attacking a straw man
1:49:31
of me, of men, think of yeah, of men in general.
1:49:34
Right, all right, So okay, first of all, these men are
1:49:40
thinking about themselves in Rome. I think, well maybe they are. Some
1:49:45
of them don't know about that, and maybe they fantasize a little bit.
1:49:48
Sure, there's nothing you want we're romanticizing. I mean, he's got Rome.
1:49:51
I don't think anyone was any one of them said, Oh, I
1:49:55
think about being a senator laying on a couch. They thought about infrastructure,
1:50:00
they thought about political systems, they fought, thought about ambires crumbling, you
1:50:03
know, they thought about being a warrior. Like, none of this is
1:50:09
reflected in what these men actually said. We went through. What did the
1:50:12
men actually say? Nothing Like, nothing is being reflected in this. None
1:50:15
of them said, oh, I would be like laying on my side,
1:50:19
getting fed grapes and being fanned by slave girls. None none of them said
1:50:27
that. And most what they were saying, you know, and he's he's
1:50:30
immediately casting other men as as thinking about Rome because it's about privilege. What
1:50:36
a bunch of nons. It wasn't about privilege as far as I can tell.
1:50:41
It was about responsibility, and much more about responsibility than it was about
1:50:45
privilege. And also, what the hell are you comparing Rome to? Like,
1:50:49
you can't compare Rome to today, You have to compare Rome to the
1:50:53
squalid conditions of the rest of the world at the time. Okay, okay,
1:51:01
So I got a I got a super chow, and I got a
1:51:08
rumble rant. So I'm gonna read the super Chow really quick from anonymous for
1:51:12
twenty five dollars on us an anonymous for twenty five dollars, and they says,
1:51:18
I just wanted to mention men thinking men know what other men think.
1:51:23
Yeah, basically, well this guy, I don't know what his issue is,
1:51:26
but I guess this is his way of competing. And then I got
1:51:30
a rumble rant from Nova fan twenty one. Thank you Nova fan twenty one,
1:51:33
and he says, for one dollar, whenever I hear a feminists used
1:51:36
the word patriarchy, I often think of how they quit holding women accountable just
1:51:42
like men as oppressive and think holding women women accountable is a good thing.
1:51:45
It's a good thing, all right, And thank you for that. And
1:51:50
that's it for the super chow. So oh, the interviewer is a woman,
1:51:58
Alice that that sort of puts things in perspective a little bit. Do
1:52:04
you want me to read more or because we're almost at two hours, wrap
1:52:10
it up? Okay, yeah, sure you're what? Uh? This is?
1:52:15
So this is? Can I read the female part? This is so
1:52:16
fascinating to me because as a woman, I can tell you I would never
1:52:19
once thought about what my life would have been like in any period of history.
1:52:26
Oh my God, you could have been Catherine the Great. Meanwhile,
1:52:32
he's like, well, these men are thinking of themselves as senators, and
1:52:35
what are the odds of that is a very small percentage of the population.
1:52:39
But you might have been one woman, one woman, Catherine the Great.
1:52:45
It wouldn't have been terrible. She hasn't knows nothing about Rome. It wouldn't
1:52:53
have been terrible. But he's got a podcast. Woman. Women actually had
1:52:56
it pretty well. They had a lot more property rights other women at the
1:53:00
time, and they often they had a lot of ability to excel at business,
1:53:08
like they ran a lot of the businesses of Rome. And for whatever
1:53:12
reason why they didn't really contest, like they had the ability to protest things
1:53:17
and get things changed in the Senate, like the there was a bunch of
1:53:25
they were like sumptuary laws passed during the i think the Second Punic War and
1:53:30
the Roman Matrons. They protested it by marching in the streets and got the
1:53:33
law repealed, so they could actually influence directly influence the political process through protests.
1:53:42
For whatever reason, they wanted to be able to wear lots of gold.
1:53:45
They didn't care as much about supposedly being considered property of their of their
1:53:49
fathers or their their husbands, that they didn't seem to be as concerned about
1:53:55
changing for whatever reason, probably because they felt very differently about it at the
1:54:00
time than we do now. If if they could march and successfully change a
1:54:05
law and that law was put in place because they were in existential terror at
1:54:12
the time about what was going on and they wanted to keep society together.
1:54:16
If at that moment they could say, now we're going to continue to assert
1:54:20
our interests as women and have that hold, I think they could have changed
1:54:26
pretty much any law they wanted. And yet they didn't. Okay, So
1:54:30
women in Rome had power and they exercised their power. They had agency and
1:54:35
they exercised their agency. They had businesses and they managed their businesses. They
1:54:41
had wealth. In fact, wealthy Roman widows is why Christianity got up the
1:54:45
ground initially. So this is it wouldn't have been terrible now, It wouldn't
1:54:50
have been as cool it is in now, because we got a lot of
1:54:55
things that they didn't have back then. All Right, we don't have sent
1:54:59
well in the United they did have central heating. It's just a little bit
1:55:01
more arduous to create. And you know, they did have plumbing to a
1:55:04
degree that other peak places didn't have. I mean it was pretty I mean
1:55:09
compared to now. It wasn't as pleasant, we'll say, but it's not
1:55:14
as bad as you think it would have been. Lady, And you you
1:55:16
have no idea because you've never thought about it, you've never learned about it.
1:55:20
All you do is just apply this lens of oh my god, women
1:55:25
were oppressed, oh throughout all of human history, and you don't know any
1:55:30
detail. Okay, let's skip the all right, the joke the Catherine's is
1:55:36
a pretty joke, all right. Why do you think this is so male
1:55:41
specific? The tendency to project yourself into these eras and see whether you don't
1:55:45
you can prove your metal. I mean, I think it probably comes down
1:55:48
to a bit of the representation matters thing. No, it doesn't. As
1:55:53
men, we can always look past and see men who were poor men,
1:55:57
who were middle aged men, who were smart men, who were dumb men,
1:55:59
who were emperors in war. Yeah, every available option is available to
1:56:05
us if we're doing historical fantasizing, and if you want to get into it,
1:56:11
you probably were reading about those great people because they're the ones who left,
1:56:15
who left records, and they're the ones that we know about, And
1:56:17
so you get into a mindset and you can imagine yourself in that role like
1:56:21
quote, if I wanted to, Yeah, I could definitely sit down and
1:56:25
imagine what would I do if I was a Roman emperor and quote, which
1:56:29
is impossible for a woman to do. A woman who was studying in Roman
1:56:31
history could see herself in Livia or Agrippina or some of the other sort of
1:56:36
great women who are wives and mothers of the sort of great Yeah, and
1:56:41
the great generals in the great statesmen of the Roman Empire. But it's always
1:56:45
going to be behind the scenes. You know, I'm going to work by
1:56:47
powerful magic, but in ways that are not readily apparent to anybody and that
1:56:54
yeah, and that's that's not what women do now. Yeah, But also
1:56:58
like that's not cool. I'm gonna actually use my influence behind the scenes to
1:57:03
be a kingmaker. That's not cool, huh, Because I think Merlin's pretty
1:57:09
freaking cool. But apparently this man doesn't. Like this is just contempt for
1:57:14
the feminine. Honestly, Yeah, they're women are either men or they're nothing.
1:57:18
Is that basically? Yeah, they either have to be like men.
1:57:21
Or they're nothing. There were lots of powerful women alive in the Roman Empire,
1:57:26
but then the Roman sources and the Greek sources that wind up writing about
1:57:30
those women are incredibly mean spirited. Really, yeah, you know, what
1:57:38
do you like? Julius Caesar got called a faggot? Like they didn't they
1:57:44
didn't like anyone, like the history was written. But freaking ward Wardolph and
1:57:49
Stadler from the Muffets, Yeah, they don't like anyone. What hell is
1:57:57
this guy's problem? Because to be an ambitious woman, so open yourself up
1:58:00
to all kinds of attacks. She's a shrewd ambitious anything. Yeah, she's
1:58:06
a monster. She's sexually rapacious. Yeah, but what if she is sexually
1:58:11
rapaciously, Well, you're not allowed to have an opinion on that. I'm
1:58:15
surprised I brought up the Catherine the great thing. This is what gets said
1:58:18
about people like Livia and Agrippina. If you do a plane surface reading of
1:58:24
the text, the women that were depicted in Roman sources often come off in
1:58:28
very unappealing ways because the men who are running about them are very free by
1:58:31
the idea that these women of these women, Okay, powerful, all right.
1:58:36
I have read the biographies from that time of some of the men,
1:58:42
they also come across as an unappealing ways because the biographers we're definitely not writing
1:58:49
in a way that was intended to flatter anyone. Okay, so get off
1:58:55
your high horse. Women weren't weren't single. This was just something that was
1:58:59
done people who were powerful. Okay, there's there. I don't. There's
1:59:03
a very few emperors or even powerful men in Rome who historians presented as flawless.
1:59:14
They all got some kind of draft. If you had any kind of
1:59:17
power, you got pushedback. You had people who had opinions. That's human
1:59:23
nature. So don't lie, mister. Okay. So it does, I
1:59:30
think become very difficult to cross that fantasy divide of putting yourself in this time
1:59:34
and space in place. I don't. Again, you know, when men
1:59:39
think about people or places or times or points in history or other like there
1:59:46
whatever they disappear in the world, they don't they don't really try to like
1:59:51
see themselves and stuff. This representation matters thing. It does not generally apply
1:59:57
to men like men men admire. You know, it's like out of if
2:00:00
you've seen the meme, and I brought this up before there'll be a picture
2:00:04
of uh, you know, like Shira, and they'll be a wojack,
2:00:10
a female wojack, and should be like, oh, what, you know
2:00:13
what, I can't look like her? Why can't you know what? These
2:00:15
are unfair body standards or whatever. And then there'll be a picture of heman
2:00:18
and the men will be like, I gotta go to the gym so I
2:00:19
can look like that. If it's just a different way that we perceive this
2:00:24
shit. So when men look at great points in history, they look at
2:00:29
it with the intention of being inspired, not the intention of like, oh,
2:00:32
I want to be that guy. So I'm gonna I'm gonna feel bad
2:00:35
because I'm not, or I'm gonna pretend like I am. It's not it's
2:00:38
not about looking for this. I don't know representation. I don't. I
2:00:43
don't think that men are. It's different with us. We want, we
2:00:46
want to look at something and try to be like it. But that doesn't
2:00:50
mean that we're jealous or you know, feel like it is us like we're
2:00:56
narcissistic. I mean maybe some are, sure, but I don't do I
2:01:00
don't do that. I'm losing interest in this. We can we can stop.
2:01:06
I can read this last thing right here, and what's amazing to me
2:01:12
is how unbelievably nasty this person is, like just really negative. Okay,
2:01:24
no, go ahead and read this one paragraph. All right, do you
2:01:28
think there's do you think there's an element of life this is the time where
2:01:31
men could really be men that's appealing to men? About this? I think
2:01:35
that's probably too true to some extent. And I certainly feel like there are
2:01:39
people in my own fan base who listen to my shows and read my books
2:01:43
and are in that right wing and anti woke at Jason crowd who probably feel
2:01:47
like, quote I feel stifled by this contemporary life where men are the only
2:01:51
people that can be attacked and women have all the advantages in the world,
2:01:55
and quote straw manning that position, this is the Yeah, there's no real
2:02:01
lie there, But I think he's trying to like exaggerate the sentiment. So
2:02:05
they retreat to what they think of as the ancient world and it's a complete
2:02:10
fantasy land. But I know many many more Roman history fans where it's not
2:02:15
about that stuff at all. It's it's not about trying to retreat from an
2:02:18
egalitarian society, and that's something that is far more aggressively patriarchal. But I
2:02:23
thought that we didn't live in an egalitarian I thought we lived in a patriarchy.
2:02:28
Now you gotta give your history straight. We're still at a patriot It's
2:02:30
worse than ever, Glorious Tidem said. So most of our culture today comes
2:02:36
from Roman origins, or at least had a Roman phase. If you're talking
2:02:40
about the history of Syria or Britain or Morocco or Spain. Laws, the
2:02:44
politics, the structures, all of these things that inform Roman society now presently
2:02:47
inform our own society. And if we want to understand the world that we're
2:02:51
living in right now, the Roman Empire is something we should that should be
2:02:55
studied. Okay, who are these men who are like, oh, I
2:02:59
want to live in this? Incidentally, all the men who a yeah,
2:03:03
is that you're just making that up? Yeah? Yeah? Maybe maybe there
2:03:09
are some men who want to live in a world where they're not constantly attacked,
2:03:14
which you're attacking men, Like literally, this guy's attacking men, and
2:03:17
it's like men where men are the only ones that you can meet, you're
2:03:20
attacking them. This is the most disingenuous shit. You are attacking men and
2:03:28
the men who talked about why they think about Rome don't resemble this at all.
2:03:32
And incidentally, they were all like fathers and husbands. Maybe they're thinking
2:03:36
about Rome because of the sense of civic duty to understand how systems work so
2:03:43
that you can protect your family from a potential future in which they might fail,
2:03:49
or protect them protect the system that supports them. And he and again,
2:03:56
just the worst possible interpretation. But of course his you know, the
2:04:00
majority of his fans aren't like that. And let's see what his appeal like
2:04:04
the next paragraph. Let's do what's the appeal for you? Why are you
2:04:08
so obsessed with ancient Roman history? I got into it because I started reading
2:04:12
the ancient sources after I got out of college. I was reading Livy and
2:04:15
I was reading Plutarch. And what I discovered, more than anything else,
2:04:18
because I'm fundamentally a storyteller at heart, is that the stories about these people,
2:04:24
the things that they did, the things that happen to them, the
2:04:26
ways that they interacted with each other, are as fascinating, as entertaining,
2:04:30
and as entertaining as anything that I've seen in the movie or on a TV
2:04:32
show. Take the Late Roman Republic for example, and those battles between people
2:04:38
like Cicero and Mark Anthony and Caesar. You read speeches from somebody like Cicero
2:04:43
who's attacking Mark Anthony, and the speeches are funny, they're hilarious. You're
2:04:46
like, oh, these are just human beings trying to catch up, to
2:04:49
get up on each other. And the whole thing is incredibly dramatic. The
2:04:54
deeper, richer cultural and personal lives of all these people. That's the thing
2:04:57
they grabbed me from the get go. I thought that male politicians weren't insulted,
2:05:03
Like yeah, Cicero had a go at them, and historians had a
2:05:08
go at most of them. Like I mentioned Fabian or Fabius. Okay,
2:05:14
when he's talked about in I think it's Plutarch the lives, he's not he,
2:05:20
although he's he's what he did positive was recognized. He's also condemned in
2:05:27
certain part aspects of his baby behavior person and condemned by Plutarch. I think
2:05:31
it was. And like so, yes, the male politicians also got in
2:05:38
for for condemnation, Like everybody who wielded, everybody who wields power, you're
2:05:44
gonna wield power, you're gonna be condemned by somebody because you're gonna be pissing
2:05:49
off someone. So that's as true for women as it is men. So
2:05:54
stop making women out to be unique victims, or at the very least admit
2:05:59
that this is your gender role for women, a victim. Okay, so
2:06:04
it appears we can we do I keep going? Or should we wrap it
2:06:09
up? I mean it doesn't really talking about America and the Musk Yeah,
2:06:15
and Beyonce and I'll read this last bit. Okay, what about you?
2:06:19
How often do you think about ancient Rome? I think about the Roman Empire
2:06:23
every single day. There's no getting away from it. I'm coming up on
2:06:26
twenty years now that I've definitely thought about it every day, and then for
2:06:30
lots of time, it's one of the only things I'm thinking about. My
2:06:32
next book will be another Roman history book, so I'm already back in.
2:06:36
You know, if I look back if my bookshelf right now, it's mostly
2:06:40
Roman history books that I'm pulling down and reading. So I'm even further gone
2:06:44
than once per day. I'm like several hours every single day. Well,
2:06:46
then I guess you're basically trying to bring patriarchy. What a misogynist yeah,
2:06:55
I guess, I guess you want to oppress women. And yeah, once
2:07:03
more another another, another peek into the dementia wing of dying civilizations. Yep,
2:07:12
we have chosen the face of our destructor friends, and it is miss
2:07:15
Andrey, miss injury. Well, all right, at least a lot of
2:07:20
normal men, get it. I wouldn't let these guys control that narrative.
2:07:26
So yeah, I remain optimistic. Okay, I think that no more super
2:07:33
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Anything more than a whisper and it will vanish. It is so fresh
2:08:16
anything more than a whisper that enforcers of the matriarchy will slap you down and
2:08:22
say, no, that's patriarchal, ye oh good lord. Like and again,
2:08:28
I don't know what what the hell is he comparing when he says Rome
2:08:33
is patriarchal? What is he comparing it to? I feel like he's just
2:08:35
like trying to tell her what she wants to hear. Yeah, like trying
2:08:39
to tell her what she wants to hear. That's what I think. It's
2:08:43
intense cowardice and an ugly competition between men. It's like, isn't it.
2:08:48
It's old, so that means it's oppressive. I'm I'm gonna throw the these
2:08:54
random men I made up under the bus so so that I can feel good
2:08:58
about myself. Can you believe these children? They wish they were centurions?
2:09:05
Like, I don't even understand how he got Oh, men want to be
2:09:09
senators from Yeah, you know, men men think about storming the beaches of
2:09:13
Normandy and wanting to do well, which I didn't even know what that means.
2:09:18
Like, what is wanting to do as an individual man? What is
2:09:22
doing well on Normandy? On the beaches of Normandy, like not getting your
2:09:26
arm blown off, Jesus Christ. But anyway, But then to conflate the
2:09:33
average soldier, the who's an average citizen storming the beaches of Normandy with Romans
2:09:39
the aristocracy? What is what was in his brain pan? Like, I
2:09:48
mean that was that was quite a leap. I don't know how he did
2:09:54
that leap. So he was definitely raring to go. I mean, he
2:09:56
she was leading, but he was. He was definitely bucking his tracers and
2:10:01
saying, let's go faster into the missentry, faster, deeper, harder.
2:10:07
I hate men, I hate men. There you go. I've done my
2:10:11
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