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Donald Trump vs. Colombia: Immigration Clash, Tariff Threats, and Political Fallout · The Infographics Show Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome back to Beyond Infographics for another
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  Speaker 1: deep dive. It's great to be back, you know. Today
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  Speaker 1: we're looking into a story with well a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of everything. Yeah, it's got international relations and some economic tension,
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  Speaker 1: even some pretty spicy language. Oh yeah, the kind that
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  Speaker 1: raises eyebrows. And it involves a clash between the US
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  Speaker 1: and Colombia. And believe me, you will want to hear
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  Speaker 1: all about this.
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  Speaker 2: Buckle up.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's jump in. We're talking about former President
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  Speaker 1: Trump and Colombian President Gustavo Petro, right.
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  Speaker 2: And the whole thing really revolves around Colombia's decision to
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  Speaker 2: refuse to let US military plan carrying deported Colombian migrants
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  Speaker 2: to land.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so this is about more than just immigration.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't Yeah exactly. Colombia's basically saying, hey, we get to
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  Speaker 2: decide who comes into our country. It's about their sovereignty.
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  Speaker 2: And they've also raised concerns about how these deported migrants
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  Speaker 2: are being treated. Okay, they're saying the US isn't doing
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  Speaker 2: enough to make sure they're safe and taken care of
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  Speaker 2: when they're sent back, and they're worried about what'll do
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  Speaker 2: to their own society and economy.
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  Speaker 1: So they're not just closing the door. They're saying, we
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  Speaker 1: need to talk about how this is done. Right. So,
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  Speaker 1: how did the US, or I guess specifically, former President
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  Speaker 1: Trump respond to that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's just say it wasn't exactly a carefully worded
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  Speaker 2: diplomatic letter.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, he went on.
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  Speaker 2: Social media and used some colorful language to put it lightly.
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  Speaker 2: He actually used the acronym FOFO in his post about it.
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  Speaker 1: Wait fo is in mess around and find out no
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  Speaker 1: one and only Okay, I know what it means, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm still trying to wrap my head around to a
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  Speaker 1: former US president using it, Like, what kind of message
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  Speaker 1: is that supposed to send?
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  Speaker 2: It's definitely not your typical diplomatic language. Even though the
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  Speaker 2: phrase itself is pretty common slang online. To hear it
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  Speaker 2: from someone who is literally the leader of the US, well,
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  Speaker 2: it's a big change in how we talk about politics.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say aggressive is putting it mildly right, It's
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  Speaker 1: almost like a warning shot. Yeah, and speaking of warnings,
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  Speaker 1: didn't true also mention some pretty serious economic consequences.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he did. He suggested a twenty five percent
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  Speaker 2: tariff on everything Columbia sends to the US whoa, and
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  Speaker 2: said it could jump to fifty percent in a week
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  Speaker 2: if things didn't change. Plus he talked about maybe banning
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  Speaker 2: Colombian officials from getting visas.
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  Speaker 1: So we've got strong language threats of sanctions. This is
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  Speaker 1: feeling a little explosive. How did Columbia take all of this?
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  Speaker 1: Did they back down?
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  Speaker 2: Not a chance. They fired back with their own threat
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  Speaker 2: of a fifty percent tariff on stuff coming from the US.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, this is getting intense. We're talking about a potential
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  Speaker 1: trade war between two countries that were, at least on
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  Speaker 1: the surface, supposed to be allies. There's got to be
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  Speaker 1: more to this story than meets the eye, right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, This isn't just about migrants. It's like a
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  Speaker 2: clash of worldview, a real test of wills.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on a sec For those of you just
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  Speaker 1: tuning in to beyond infographics, we are in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of a deep dive into some serious drama between the
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  Speaker 1: US and Columbia, and trust me, you do not want
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  Speaker 1: can stay on top of all the twists and turns. First,
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  Speaker 1: But back to this clash of worldviews, what does that
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  Speaker 1: actually mean in this situation.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you've got the US, a global superpower that's used
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  Speaker 2: to getting its way, and then you've got Columbia, a
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  Speaker 2: country that's saying we're not backing down even when they're
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  Speaker 2: facing some serious potential economic trouble.
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  Speaker 1: So it's kind of like David and Goliath.
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  Speaker 2: Then in a way, Yeah, and what Colombia is doing
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  Speaker 2: could end up influencing other countries too, especially in Latin America.
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  Speaker 2: You think, so, yeah, they could see this and think, hey,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we can stand up for ourselves too.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting, it's like they're.
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  Speaker 2: Drawing a line in the sand. And you know, this
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  Speaker 2: whole situation it really makes you think about what sovereignty
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  Speaker 2: even means in today's world. It's not as easy as
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  Speaker 2: just saying this is my land and you stay out.
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  Speaker 1: That's a really good point. I mean, we live in
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  Speaker 1: a globalized world where what one country does can have
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  Speaker 1: huge effects on others. Exactly so where does national interest
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  Speaker 1: stop and where does working together start. It's like walking
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  Speaker 1: a tightrope, Yeah it is.
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  Speaker 2: But before we go too far down that rabbit hole,
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  Speaker 2: I want to come back to something you mentioned earlier
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  Speaker 2: about those humanitarian concerns with all these deported migrants. Can
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  Speaker 2: you tell us a little more about that?
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  Speaker 1: Sure, so Columbia saying that sending all these people back
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  Speaker 1: could make some of their existing problems worse. Okay, they're
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  Speaker 1: worried about not having enough resources, potentially seeing more crime,
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  Speaker 1: and these people having a hard time fitting back into
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  Speaker 1: Colombian society after maybe spending years in the US.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not just about the numbers. It's about real
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  Speaker 2: people's lives exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It's about people being taken from the life they built
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  Speaker 1: and sent back to a place they might not even
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  Speaker 1: recognize anymore. Wow. And that's where the idea of sovereignty
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  Speaker 1: gets kind of messy, because if a country's really in control,
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't they also be looking out for their citizens, even
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  Speaker 1: the ones who've been living somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: It's a moral issue just just as much as a
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  Speaker 2: political one.
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  Speaker 1: It definitely adds a whole other level to this whole
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  Speaker 1: thing we're not just talking about tariffs and trade wars anymore,
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  Speaker 1: but about people's lives and basic rights exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good reminder that these big political issues actually
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  Speaker 2: have real consequences for real people.
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  Speaker 1: I'm starting to see why this story caught my attention.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a tiny version of all the big problems
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  Speaker 1: and tensions the world is facing right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that.
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  Speaker 1: It's got everything. Yeah, economics, politics, human rights. It's like
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  Speaker 1: a political thriller playing out in real time today, speaking
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  Speaker 1: and keeping things exciting. Let's remind our listeners to give
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Ask Columbia and the US. Yeah, what's the latest? Is
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  Speaker 1: there any chance of this getting resolved? Or are we
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  Speaker 1: headed for a full blown trade war?
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  Speaker 2: Well? Right now, it's kind of a standstill. Both sides
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  Speaker 2: seem pretty dug in. Columbia is not backing down on
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  Speaker 2: this whole sovereignty thing, and at least under the last
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  Speaker 2: US administration, they weren't changing their minds about the deportations either.
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  Speaker 2: But with the political landscape shifting, who knows what could happen.
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  Speaker 1: True international relations are always changing. But what about the
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  Speaker 1: economic side of things. Will everyday people like us actually
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  Speaker 1: feel any effects from this.
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  Speaker 2: There's definitely a chance of that. If this keeps escalating,
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  Speaker 2: we could see prices go up on things we get
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  Speaker 2: from Colombia, like coffee for example. Colombia is one of
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  Speaker 2: the biggest coffee producers out there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, a fifty.
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  Speaker 2: Percent tariff on their coffee beans could mean you end
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  Speaker 2: up paying a lot more for your morning cup.
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  Speaker 1: Ouch, my wallet is already hurting. So is there anything
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  Speaker 1: we could do about this besides you know, stocking up
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  Speaker 1: on coffee beans. Are there any actions we can take
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  Speaker 1: to change what's happening?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the most important thing is to stay informed. Don't
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  Speaker 2: just take the headlines at face value. Really dig into
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  Speaker 2: this stuff, read different perspectives, and try to understand all
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  Speaker 2: the different sides of the story.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great point. And hey, listening to the podcast
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  Speaker 1: like Beyond Infographics isn't a bad way to stay informed either. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: but seriously, it's so important to know what's going on
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  Speaker 1: in the world and how it might affect us, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's directly or indirectly.
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  Speaker 2: I completely agree we're all connected in this global system,
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  Speaker 2: whether we realize it or not, and the choices we
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  Speaker 2: make as individuals and as a society are going to
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  Speaker 2: determine what that system looks like in the future.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, definitely getting a lot to think about here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this whole thing makes me wonder.
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  Speaker 2: It's like they're saying this is how it's going to be,
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  Speaker 2: and this whole thing it makes you wonder. What does
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  Speaker 2: sovereignty really mean these days? Yeah, it's not as simple
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  Speaker 2: as it used to.
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  Speaker 1: Be, right, I mean, we live this globalized world. Everything's connected,
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  Speaker 1: so what one country decides can have a huge impact
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  Speaker 1: somewhere else, for sure. So where do you draw the
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  Speaker 1: line between looking out for your own country and working
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  Speaker 1: together with others.
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  Speaker 2: It's tough balance, it really is. But before we get
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  Speaker 2: two lost in that thought, I do want to circle
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  Speaker 2: back to something you brought up before about those humanitarian
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  Speaker 2: concerns surrounding these deported migrants. Can you tell us a
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  Speaker 2: little more about that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what are those concerns?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Columbia saying that all these deportations they could make
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  Speaker 2: things worse for them on a social and economic level. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: they're worried about things like not having enough resources, maybe
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  Speaker 2: seeing an increase in crime, and these people struggling to
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  Speaker 2: fit back into Colombian society after potentially years of living
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  Speaker 2: in the US.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not just about the numbers. We're talking about
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  Speaker 1: real people's lives.
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  Speaker 2: Here exactly, and it's about people being uprooted from the
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  Speaker 2: lives they've built and sent back to a place they
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  Speaker 2: might not even recognize anymore.
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  Speaker 1: That's a powerful point.
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  Speaker 2: And this is where sovereignty gets complicated. You know, if
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  Speaker 2: a country truly has control, shouldn't they also have a
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  Speaker 2: responsibility to protect their citizens, even the ones who have
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  Speaker 2: been living abroad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: It becomes a moral question just as much as a
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  Speaker 2: political one.
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  Speaker 1: I see that. It definitely adds a whole other dimension
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  Speaker 1: to this situation. We're not just talking about trade wars
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  Speaker 1: and teriffs now, but about people's lives and their fundamental rights.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It reminds us that these big political issues they
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  Speaker 2: have real world consequences for real people.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really starting to see why this whole story is
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  Speaker 1: so captivating. It's like a microcosm of all the tensions
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  Speaker 1: and challenges the world is facing right now.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: You've got economics, politics, human rights. It's like a real
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  Speaker 1: life political thriller. And speaking of keeping things interesting, let's
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  Speaker 1: not forget to remind our listeners to give us a
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  Speaker 1: five star rating and follow beyond into graphics for more
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  Speaker 1: deep dives just like this one. Now, going back to
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  Speaker 1: Columbia and the US, where do things stand now? Is
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  Speaker 1: there any hope of resolution or are we headed towards
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  Speaker 1: a full blown trade war?
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  Speaker 2: Well, at this point it feels like a stalemate. Both
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  Speaker 2: sides seem pretty set in their positions. Colombia's not budging
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  Speaker 2: on the sovereignty issue, and at least under the previous
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  Speaker 2: US administration, there is no sign of them softening their
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  Speaker 2: stance on the deportations. But who knows what might happen
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  Speaker 2: now with the new political climate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. International relations are always in flux. What
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  Speaker 1: about the economic consequences though, Are we the everyday people
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  Speaker 1: going to feel any real effects from this?
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  Speaker 2: There's definitely possibility we could see higher prices on goods
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  Speaker 2: imported from Columbia if this trade war escalates.
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  Speaker 1: What kinds of things are we talking about?
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  Speaker 2: Well, think about coffee. Colombia is one of the world's
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  Speaker 2: biggest coffee producers.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, I love coffee.
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  Speaker 2: A fifty percent tariff on Colombian coffee beans could mean
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  Speaker 2: a big jump in the price of your morning cup.
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  Speaker 1: Ouch, my wallet is already crying. So what can we
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  Speaker 1: do about this besides stocking up on coffee? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: are there any actions we can take as individuals to
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  Speaker 1: have an impact on this situation?
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  Speaker 2: I think the most important thing is to stay informed.
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  Speaker 2: Don't just rely on headlines or sound bites. Dig deeper,
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  Speaker 2: read articles from different sources, try to get a comprehensive
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  Speaker 2: understanding of the situation.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great point, and hey, listening to podcasts like
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  Speaker 1: Beyond Infographics is a pretty good way to stay informed. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: but seriously, it's crucial to be aware of what's happening
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  Speaker 1: in the world and how it might affect us directly
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  Speaker 1: or indirectly.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. We're all part of this global,
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  Speaker 2: interconnected system, whether we realize it or not, and the
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  Speaker 2: choices we make individually and collectively will shape the future
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  Speaker 2: of that system.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I've got a lot to think about here. This
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  Speaker 1: whole conversation makes me wonder if this whole thing is
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  Speaker 1: a sign of what's to come. You know, are we
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  Speaker 1: going to see more and more countries pushing back against
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  Speaker 1: like the traditional world powers.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fascinating question, and it's it's tough to say
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  Speaker 2: for certain, but what we're seeing here does seem to
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  Speaker 2: be part of a bigger trend. Okay, Countries are starting
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  Speaker 2: to put their own interests and priorities first on the
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  Speaker 2: global stage, like.
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  Speaker 1: A shift in who's really in charge exactly.
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  Speaker 2: The world is becoming more multipolar, which means power isn't
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  Speaker 2: just concentrated in a few places anymore. It's spreading out
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  Speaker 2: among different countries and regions.
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  Speaker 1: And that could lead to more disagreements. Right, If everyone's
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  Speaker 1: trying to flex their own power, there are bound to
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  Speaker 1: be conflicts for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it could also lead to more cooperation and
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  Speaker 2: collaboration because countries are realizing they need to work together
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  Speaker 2: to deal with these big global problems like what like
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  Speaker 2: climate change, pandemics, economic instability. It's all connected. It really
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  Speaker 2: depends on how these power dynamics evolve.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like we're heading into uncharted territory.
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  Speaker 2: In many ways, we are. The old rules of international
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  Speaker 2: relations are changing, and it's too early to tell what
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  Speaker 2: the new world order will look like.
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  Speaker 1: So what does all this mean for us? The everyday
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  Speaker 1: people caught in the middle of it.
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  Speaker 2: It means we need to stay informed and engaged and
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  Speaker 2: be ready for a world that's becoming more complex and unpredictable.
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  Speaker 2: It's more important than ever to understand these global forces
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  Speaker 2: at play and how they might affect our lives.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great point, and hey, listening to podcasts like
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  Speaker 1: But really, it's so crucial to be aware of what's
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  Speaker 1: happening in the world and how it might affect us
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  Speaker 1: directly or indirectly.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, we're all part of this global, interconnected system, whether
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  Speaker 2: we realize it or not, and the choices we make,
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  Speaker 2: both individually and collectively, are going to shape the future
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  Speaker 2: of that system.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, folks, that's a wrap on our deep dive into
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  Speaker 1: this international standoff. We cover a lot today, from tariffs
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  Speaker 1: and trade wars to sovereignty and the changing balance of power.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully you've come away with a better understanding of this
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  Speaker 1: complex situation and what it could mean for the future.
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  Speaker 1: And remember, the conversation doesn't end here keep those minds curious,
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  Speaker 1: stay engaged, and as always, keep exploring the world beyond
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