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Chuck & Buck 12-8 Hour 3: MMQB with Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: hom Grin and Hugh Millin.
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Speaker 2: Here's Chuck and Buck, mikel I'm gonna be joining us
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Speaker 2: at nine o'clock this morning. Hugh Millin ur QB one
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Speaker 2: is with us from eight to ten every Monday to
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Speaker 2: recap the latest Sea Hawk game. We also might talk
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Speaker 2: a little college football before the hour comes to a close.
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Speaker 3: But no, don't worry.
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Speaker 4: We're not gonna talk hockey this hour with you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're gonna keep it in the football realm, that's sure.
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Speaker 4: I guarantee you that.
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Speaker 5: All right, I'll try to let me scratch those hockey
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Speaker 5: questions off then.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you were ready, Bucky, alright, so let
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Speaker 2: me don't do it. Don't ask him about Joey to court. Okay, Hugh,
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Speaker 2: good morning, sir, good morning. Good to be with you,
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Speaker 2: Good to be with you. All right, So this was
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Speaker 2: a six to six game at halftime. Bucky referenced it earlier.
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Speaker 2: Peyton Manning one set on the Manning cast that we
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Speaker 2: overdo the halftime adjustments that there aren't as many as
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Speaker 2: what you think, or it's not as dramatic as you
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Speaker 2: think something changed you at halftime, because this is a
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Speaker 2: completely different team in the second half.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with Peyton Manning. I think generally in
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Speaker 3: those meetings, certainly from a quarterback perspective, it's kind of like, hey,
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Speaker 3: this was the game plan, and you're just kind of
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Speaker 3: looking and say, well, these are the things we like
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Speaker 3: on the game plan. You've already been studying it all week,
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Speaker 3: and so you kind of narrow your focus now that's
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Speaker 3: not to say that offensive linemen aren't over there drawing
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Speaker 3: up on the board and making some adjustments on the
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Speaker 3: how they made block. But I agree with Manning's general assertion.
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Speaker 3: But you know, for me, I think that, well, it's
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Speaker 3: easy to look at the first half. I think that
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Speaker 3: there was a juncture that delineated that was a little
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Speaker 3: bit before that with fifty seven seconds remaining. Remember, now
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Speaker 3: Atlanta just kicked that field goal. So they go up
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Speaker 3: six to three, and the Seahawks they get a drive
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Speaker 3: there where they go seven plays forty five yards and
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Speaker 3: they kick the field goal to pull within six six
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Speaker 3: at halftime. Right, remember that drive. So prior to that drive,
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Speaker 3: and sometimes what happens late in the second quarter is
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Speaker 3: a catalyst for what you talk about at halftime, and
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Speaker 3: maybe a catalyst for the view that the offensive coordinator
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Speaker 3: may have for what he wants accomplished in the second half.
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Speaker 3: And so let me let me point out that prior
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Speaker 3: to that drive got me. So we'll call that the
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Speaker 3: the you know, the juncture that it was fifty seven
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Speaker 3: seconds to go in the second quarter, which means they've
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Speaker 3: played forty eight point four to two percent of a
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Speaker 3: total game going by seconds. Yeah, I did that calculation
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Speaker 3: pretty simple. But but and the reason why I wanted
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Speaker 3: to give that calculation. At that point Darnold had eleven
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Speaker 3: targets for thirty seven yards, and prior to that UH
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Speaker 3: and that juncture you had JSN he had been fifty
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Speaker 3: five percent of the targets and seventy percent of the
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Speaker 3: pass yards. However, the Seahawks were only on a pace
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Speaker 3: at that juncture. If you go down to second they
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Speaker 3: were on a pay staff seventy six total yards of
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Speaker 3: passing for the game from that point on, from that
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Speaker 3: that juncture, on that that endo drive, and then all
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Speaker 3: the second quarter they went from targets to JASN fifty
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Speaker 3: five percent, dropped it to twenty one percent, got other
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Speaker 3: people involved. The yards went from seventy percent to thirty
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Speaker 3: one for jsn UH after that juncture just thirty one
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Speaker 3: percent of the pass yards and the pace went from
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Speaker 3: as I said they before that they were on a
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Speaker 3: pace to have seventy six yards of passing. Their productivity
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Speaker 3: after that juncture was a pace that would be worth
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Speaker 3: four hundred and eleven yards passing for a game. That
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Speaker 3: is a big change. And so you just you just look,
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Speaker 3: I think it was a very pivotal game, uh for
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Speaker 3: Rashid sa heat, you know, not just the kickoff, but
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Speaker 3: you know, I think now he feels like he's part
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Speaker 3: of the team U. But there was time you know, hey,
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Speaker 3: they're rolling the coverage to to JSN. They're playing what's
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Speaker 3: called cover six, which means you you take cover two
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Speaker 3: to to JSN side, put a safety over the top,
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Speaker 3: but then you allow free access to uh to Rashid
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Speaker 3: hi head. And he's just one on one on most routes,
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Speaker 3: and so they motioned him. They hit him on on
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Speaker 3: some third down conversions. They the the the big dig
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Speaker 3: route right before the field goal, which was to she
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Speaker 3: head over the middle. There was only one pass rusher.
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Speaker 3: There was ten guys playing zone and yet rashi Hi
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Speaker 3: Hid he made a great move on the corner, got
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Speaker 3: into the inside. If you're dropping ten, they should have
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Speaker 3: been a lot there should have been a lot more holes.
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Speaker 3: But I think that for both Sam Darnold and for
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Speaker 3: Clint Kubiak, you know, uh, that drive and and and
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Speaker 3: the discussion to get other people involved, not to try
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Speaker 3: and force it to j SN. I think that was
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Speaker 3: a good thing for the football team.
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Speaker 5: Well, nobody dissects it like you can and do so.
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Speaker 5: I mean, if you had to give the lion's share
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Speaker 5: of the credit, is it Kubiak making play calls where
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Speaker 5: the primary was someone else to start spreading it around
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Speaker 5: or was it Sam Darnold actually just not getting you know,
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Speaker 5: focused on trying to force it into Jays.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question, and I think that the
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Speaker 3: tape shows evidence of both. I mean, you're you're you
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Speaker 3: know that motion play where you're going to motion him
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Speaker 3: and then run him on an Omaha route on on
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Speaker 3: third down, a quick out route. You know, that's clearly
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Speaker 3: he's the targeted guy. They were they on a number
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Speaker 3: of times. Flood routes are when you have a deep,
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Speaker 3: an intermediate, and a shallow uh concept and the way
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Speaker 3: the the you know, the the the Falcons were mixed.
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Speaker 3: They played a lot of man and man and and
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Speaker 3: they played a lot of zone. So so what they
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Speaker 3: were able to trigger some zone coverage and they would
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Speaker 3: get a weak side flood. What weak side flood means
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Speaker 3: is a strong side flood would be your intermediate is
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Speaker 3: a sail route, a corner route. You're deep is a
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Speaker 3: go route or a post route. And then there's somebody
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Speaker 3: in the flat, but the intermediate emanates on the strong
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Speaker 3: side of where the reed is. A weak side flood
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Speaker 3: is when you bring the backside receiver and slot and
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Speaker 3: slot him in between the deep in the shallow and
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Speaker 3: they hit thirty three yards on rashichi. He bringing him
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Speaker 3: from the other side, and it's just, you know, kind
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Speaker 3: of breathtaking how fast he can get to that spot.
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Speaker 3: So he's running intermediate crossing route. He caught the ball
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Speaker 3: twenty two yards from the line of scrimmage and he
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Speaker 3: got there, so dog one fast. So Darnold doesn't have
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Speaker 3: to wait. The picture presents itself. He's like, okay, I
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Speaker 3: got the deep guy clearing out the deep guy. I
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Speaker 3: got a flat. Now we are inserting for the opposite
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Speaker 3: side of the field. We're getting resichi heat to run
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Speaker 3: this deep angle cross or race route. There's other terms
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Speaker 3: that people use, but but they get over there and
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Speaker 3: and and uh so that's that's targeting. You know that
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Speaker 3: some serious speed getting over there. So yeah, I'd say
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Speaker 3: the answers both here.
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Speaker 2: lot to discuss here in this game, certainly, Uh, But
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Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball, that was where
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Speaker 2: you were bending a little bit, not breaking in the
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Speaker 2: first half, and then you decided just not to bend
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Speaker 2: at all.
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Speaker 3: Let's just not even ben.
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Speaker 2: Uh and the second half and and and sort of
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Speaker 2: shut down Atlanta. I mean, they didn't shut out Bjon Robinson,
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Speaker 2: but did did keep him from destroy you. And we
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Speaker 2: have to talk about nick emon Waurie because we spent
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Speaker 2: a lot of time on him last week, and obviously
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Speaker 2: that was justified because man, he was.
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Speaker 3: Sensational yesterday, maybe the best we've ever seen him. He
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Speaker 3: is really blossoming, isn't he? A couple of things? Okay, So,
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Speaker 3: first of all, in my opinion, I thought the defensive
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Speaker 3: line had their poorest game since Tampa Bay. Among their
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Speaker 3: two or three worst games. I thought there was just
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Speaker 3: a noted and it was in my notes on Friday
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Speaker 3: to talk about the Falcons offensive line they don't have
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Speaker 3: Caleb McGarry the right tackle. The other four positions are
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Speaker 3: pretty damn good. I thought they they moved the line
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Speaker 3: of scrimmage better than I've seen almost any team against
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Speaker 3: the Seahawks. You know here there's articles in the Times
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Speaker 3: and everybody's throwing these flowers at the defensive line. I
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Speaker 3: just thought they were okay because I thought they got
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Speaker 3: moved too much. Now, the secondary, the back seven, even
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Speaker 3: if you want to count the linebackers, I thought had
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Speaker 3: a really good game active, you know, creating kaok and havoc.
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Speaker 3: But where the entire defense really clamped was in the
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Speaker 3: red zone. The Falcons. They had eighteen plays in the
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Speaker 3: red zone on the Falcons offense against Sales defense. A
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Speaker 3: successful play. This is not a me term. This has
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Speaker 3: been around for a few decades now. Successful play is
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Speaker 3: described as forty percent of the needed yards on first down,
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Speaker 3: sixty percent of the needed yards on second and all
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Speaker 3: the needed yards on third or fourth down, so that
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Speaker 3: that constitutes a successful play. The Falcons only had two
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Speaker 3: successful plays in the red zone for the entire game
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Speaker 3: out of eighteen.
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Speaker 4: Wow.
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Speaker 3: And so you know, when you talk about clamping down
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Speaker 3: the defensive line, all of a sudden, you're like, whoa,
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Speaker 3: that looks like the defensive line of the twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: five Seahawks. You know where was that forty yards ago?
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Speaker 3: But they just came alive and great. You know, you
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Speaker 3: know they're played a lot of zone down there. And
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Speaker 3: I tell you what I'm is so much more inspired
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Speaker 3: by watching defenses that play zone defense. Great because there's
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Speaker 3: a cohesion. You have to know where your help is.
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Speaker 3: You have to go, you know, cover this guy for
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Speaker 3: precisely the right number of steps down to the step
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Speaker 3: and then turn and don't get out of position, and
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Speaker 3: trust if you play man to man. Some people call
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Speaker 3: that cat defense. Don't confuse that with cat blitz. Is
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Speaker 3: that's a corner blitz. But people who call it cat blitz,
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Speaker 3: they just say, hey, our cat, my cat against your cat.
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Speaker 3: And if you can, you know, play good defense, well
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Speaker 3: you got better cats than them in man and man.
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Speaker 3: But the zone just the way they trigger on their
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Speaker 3: their route recognition, they're so well coached, they're they're tied together,
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Speaker 3: and you know, you get numbers like two successful plays
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Speaker 3: out of eighteen in the red zone.
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Speaker 5: What's the main thing when a defense tightens up it's
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Speaker 5: obviously not just all right, guys, we've allowed them to
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Speaker 5: get down here. Now we've got to get tougher. I mean,
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Speaker 5: is it because there's not as much rooms they can't
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Speaker 5: really take the top off, there is no top left.
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Speaker 5: Is it that the secondary plays with cohesion like you're
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Speaker 5: talking about in the zone or is it? I mean,
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Speaker 5: obviously it's a combination of more than just one thing.
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Speaker 5: But from your standpoint, when a good defense has the
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Speaker 5: ability to then stiffen up when they get down in
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Speaker 5: the red zone, why typically is that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think I have opposite responses to that.
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Speaker 3: I think, first and foremost, I think the adage, hey
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Speaker 3: stop the run and get ahead of the sticks, you know,
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Speaker 3: put them in second along, etc. And of course the
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Speaker 3: field tightens up. But I think all you know, from
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Speaker 3: a quarterback perspective, you know, on first down, when they're
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Speaker 3: inclined to take shots and send two or three, you know,
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Speaker 3: at least a couple guys at the end zone and
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Speaker 3: then have a checkdown, it's like you better, you better
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Speaker 3: be able to you know, deny any windows because out
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Speaker 3: in the middle of the field, if you give up
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Speaker 3: a seventeen yard completion, okay, you know you live. You know,
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Speaker 3: they got a first down lineup and stop him. On
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Speaker 3: the next year, you give up a seventeen yard completion,
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Speaker 3: it's a touchdown. So you got to be really sticky
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Speaker 3: in terms of presenting preventing those big plays that people
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Speaker 3: draw up to try to get, particularly to the back
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Speaker 3: of the end zone in the red zone, you know,
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Speaker 3: and and uh so you got to be sound over
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Speaker 3: the top and you got to stop the run, and
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Speaker 3: they were doing both. As for Emon worry, I don't know, Chuck,
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I I answered that. You know,
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Speaker 3: there's so much to talk about with him, But.
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Speaker 4: Where did they take it that you have not seen
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Speaker 4: him go before?
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Speaker 3: I mean yesterday. Well, I think his recognition, you know,
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Speaker 3: he's you heard the sound bite from Mike McDonald, he's
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Speaker 3: I think it's very important for Mike McDonald to not
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Speaker 3: overburden him with responsibilities. It's like, hey, trust your instinct,
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Speaker 3: and you know he had tackle for loss where he's
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Speaker 3: a like essentially a Nickelson. He's just a Sam linebacker
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Speaker 3: and at two hundred and twenty pounds, you know he
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Speaker 3: has the ability, but his it's his it's his athleticism.
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Speaker 3: At that size, I mean at six foot three. Here's
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Speaker 3: his here's his percentiles for safeties. He's in the ninety
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Speaker 3: one percentile for height, his arm span, and we'll talk
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Speaker 3: about the field. Go block is eighty seven percent. His
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Speaker 3: forty yard dash is ninety six percent. His ten yards
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Speaker 3: split his ninety three percent. His broad jump is one
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Speaker 3: hundred percent. He had one hundred and thirty eight in
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Speaker 3: broad YMP his vertical of forty three inch, his ninety
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Speaker 3: nine percent all and is tackling. By the way, coming
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Speaker 3: out of college, he was in the one hundred percentile
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Speaker 3: for tackling efficiency. So you're talking about a dude who's
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Speaker 3: a really big man who can move and jump. He's
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Speaker 3: got explosion. And so now when you're just you're kind
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Speaker 3: of say, hey, cut it loose. You know, his tackle
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Speaker 3: for loss is just he just saw an opening off
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Speaker 3: ball line back. That wasn't a dog, that wasn't a
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Speaker 3: run blitz, that was just him being off ball and sensing, oh,
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Speaker 3: here here's an opportunity to knife in there. And and
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Speaker 3: he's so fast because of his size, he covers a
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Speaker 3: lot of ground. He's strong enough that unless you really
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Speaker 3: get a center cut block on him, if you just
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Speaker 3: get a shoulder, he's gonna run through it. And so
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Speaker 3: I think his instincts are playing out. Uh, you know
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Speaker 3: you got a credit Witherspoon for on both those interceptions,
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Speaker 3: him triggering on you know, as a zone defender, just
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Speaker 3: being sticky in zone, popping the ball up. But him
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Speaker 3: and Worry had the you know, the the quick hands,
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Speaker 3: the athletic hands to be able. That's that's a hard
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Speaker 3: play for a lot of defenders to make that tip ball,
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Speaker 3: but he was able to well, oh I got it
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Speaker 3: and then converted to an interception, So that play making
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Speaker 3: ability is just coming through. And then on the field
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Speaker 3: goal block, here's the guy. You guys have been watching
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Speaker 3: football along that I was gonna say as long as me,
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Speaker 3: but I'm older. But you know what I mean. You
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Speaker 3: guys been watching You know the guys who play on
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Speaker 3: the edge on field goal block, they're always cornerbacks. They're
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Speaker 3: always cornerbacks, right because because they have the quickness to
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Speaker 3: turn the radius of the circle right. Well, they put
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Speaker 3: him and Worry out there at I already gave you
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Speaker 3: the height in the reach and everything, so so you
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Speaker 3: tell me, in a game of inches, the guy to
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Speaker 3: be that big, but then also to have an ability
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Speaker 3: to turn it, uh the hoop on the field goal
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Speaker 3: block as if he was a cornerback, but just in
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Speaker 3: a longer package. Well that's that's a that's a nightmare
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Speaker 3: for a special teams meeting. I was. I was a holder,
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Speaker 3: so I've been in those meetings. Yeah, I mean, you know,
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Speaker 3: he just creates havoc due to his athleticism and his
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Speaker 3: emerging instincts. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean he's probably on his way then to
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Speaker 5: living up to like the X factor that was Jamal Adams.
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Speaker 6: Right, almost dumped that on. That's what we're going for,
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Speaker 6: isn't it? I thought X factor?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? A weapon? What was it? Weapon?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Weapon? How that's invest in the nation. She well, you
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Speaker 3: know the sack he you know, there's a timing to
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Speaker 3: that and ability to close ground, be powerful. Uh yeah,
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Speaker 3: you know things that we we uh really didn't see
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Speaker 3: from from.
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Speaker 5: I haven't seen emon worry do a header yet like
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Speaker 5: try to get an interception and just headed back to
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Speaker 5: somebody else yet, but maybe next week.
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Speaker 2: I do wonder how many sacks even wore he could
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Speaker 2: get if Pete Carroll was just trying to get him.
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Speaker 3: Then yeah, yeah, right, just so he could he could
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Speaker 3: turn to the owner, so he could turn to judges, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: Jody Allen and say, hey see this is why we
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Speaker 3: acquired him. Oh what a fraud, that whole situation. Sorry,
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Speaker 3: I don't know why I went.
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Speaker 2: There, even even Worri Sack. I mean he almost had
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Speaker 2: a forced fumble too. I mean he approached it the
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Speaker 2: perfect way and almost ripped the ball out of Cousin's hands.
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Speaker 2: I mean, just just the sensational And I'm glad you
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Speaker 2: brought up Witherspoon because to me, it felt like every
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Speaker 2: single play he was involved in.
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Speaker 3: I thought he had a great game yesterday too. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 3: I'll touch on him. But just a final thought on
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Speaker 3: the on the Emon Warrior Sack. So when I was
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Speaker 3: I coached youth in and high school, middle school, high
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Speaker 3: school for twenty four seasons, and and you know, so
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Speaker 3: that means I was involved for the defense in some
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Speaker 3: of those years. And I would have a drill where
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Speaker 3: I would have the I would have the defensive guys,
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Speaker 3: anybody who's likely to to be coming after the quarterback.
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Speaker 3: I would set up a cone. I would have a
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Speaker 3: spot for the quarterback, and then I would set up
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Speaker 3: a cone two yards to the right handed quarterback's right,
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Speaker 3: because you don't want to go at straight at a
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Speaker 3: right handed quarterback he's because his impulse will be to
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Speaker 3: evade to the right. Now, all of a sudden, the
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Speaker 3: right handed quarterback, he's outside the pocket, and you got
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Speaker 3: a good chance of losing that play. He can you know,
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Speaker 3: he can remain a running threat. So what I do
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Speaker 3: is set up a cone like sprint to the cone
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Speaker 3: and then to the quarterback. Does that make sense so
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Speaker 3: that it denies the quarterback's instincts to evade to his right.
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Speaker 3: And you've heard me on a number of times coming
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Speaker 3: and go, how are we letting a right handed quarterback
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Speaker 3: out of the pocket. I mean he lost the forty
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Speaker 3: nine er game because d Law, a guy with all
19:17
Speaker 3: his experience, led a right handed quarterback out out of
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Speaker 3: the pocket to the right and so on the em
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Speaker 3: and worry play. If you look at it, he looked
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Speaker 3: exactly like I would say in the teaching tape teaching
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Speaker 3: my kids, like go to the cone and then change
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Speaker 3: your angle to the quarterback so that he has Now
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Speaker 3: you're gonna say, Cousins, not that athletic, But there's a
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Speaker 3: certain instinct of like, no, I'm not gonna even let
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Speaker 3: you think about bailing out of the escape hatch to
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Speaker 3: the right side. I'm gonna I'm gonna take that angle
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Speaker 3: then close hard into you. And that's exactly what he did.
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Speaker 3: I don't you know, I don't know if he did
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Speaker 3: the drill, you know, that's just instinctive in his mind,
19:57
Speaker 3: or McDonald broke out drill. But whatever it was, you know,
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Speaker 3: it was textbook how he finished. As for Witherspoon, I
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Speaker 3: mean Doug Garnett, I mean, who doesn't love the way
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Speaker 3: this guy competes. I mean he is just so infectious
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Speaker 3: and feisty, and he's got him playing corner that he
20:19
Speaker 3: doesn't play in the what's called the overhang defender as
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Speaker 3: much because he had been nickel. I think that's a
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Speaker 3: good decision. I think it preserves his body to play
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Speaker 3: more to the outside. But he's still when he gets
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Speaker 3: the opportunity, he's a feisty dog and he's gonna get after.
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Speaker 3: He's gonna give you all one hundred and eighty one
20:37
Speaker 3: pounds that he's that he's got.
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Speaker 4: Hugh mellanis with us r QB one.
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Speaker 2: We are Monday Morning Quarterbacking, which usually means two straight
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Speaker 2: hours of Seahawks conversation, but I want to get thoughts
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Speaker 2: from you on the college football playoff controversies that have
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Speaker 2: stemmed from the rankings that were made official yesterday. So
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Speaker 2: we'll talk some college football next Sports Radio ninety three
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Speaker 3: H.
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Speaker 2: It's Monday Morning Quarterback with Hugh Millen here this morning,
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Speaker 2: But this college football story is such a big topic
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Speaker 2: that I wanted to get huge thoughts on it. What
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Speaker 2: was your biggest reaction.
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Speaker 4: To Sunday's announcements.
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Speaker 3: I thought that the committee got every single pick right.
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Speaker 6: Wow.
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Speaker 3: And I understand the arguments for against. I think we
21:48
Speaker 3: all do. It's just what you value. But I think
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Speaker 3: that I'm glad that the argument is is not the BCS.
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Speaker 3: The argument is, you know number three got screwed, and
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Speaker 3: then initially in the CFP, then oh number five got screwed. Well,
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Speaker 3: now we're saying number thirteen got screwed. But I think
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Speaker 3: that given the circumstances, Yes, every single spot, every team,
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Speaker 3: and every spot. In my opinion, I agree with.
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Speaker 5: Oh well, I mean, then Alabama's right where they should be,
22:24
Speaker 5: even though I mean, I don't want to fault them
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Speaker 5: for losing in a conference championship game when others didn't
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Speaker 5: even have the opportunity to and yet it seems like
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Speaker 5: they did do that to b YU.
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Speaker 3: Agreed, and there's a distinction in my mind. First of all, Bama,
22:43
Speaker 3: you watch the game. What color jerseys were was Alabama
22:48
Speaker 3: wearing in that game? You guys remember, h yeah they
22:52
Speaker 3: were red? No? They were yeah? Yeah, right, yeah, they're
22:57
Speaker 3: wearing their their dark reds. You know why because they're
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Speaker 3: the number one seed from the SEC one hundred years
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Speaker 3: from now. If you look in an almanac, the Alabama
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Speaker 3: was the number one team in the regular season in
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Speaker 3: the SEC. There was four who had one loss, and
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Speaker 3: the way the conference determines, they say strength of schedule.
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Speaker 3: Of those four Bama, Georgia, Texas A and n Ole
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Speaker 3: Miss Bama had the number one strength of schedule. Georgia
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Speaker 3: had the number two. Now Bama wasn't number one seed
23:29
Speaker 3: because they had the number one strength of schedule. They were.
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Speaker 3: They just eliminated Texas A and N and min Ole
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Speaker 3: miss due to strength to schedule, and then it left
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Speaker 3: George and Bama, and because Bama beat Georgia, they were
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Speaker 3: number one. And so if you had told me in
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Speaker 3: August the team that this is the SEC now maybe
23:50
Speaker 3: at the top two or three, it's even with other conferences,
23:52
Speaker 3: but you go ten twelve deep. I mean, these are
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Speaker 3: the teams from the SEC that didn't make it. They
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Speaker 3: got five who were in Texas didn't make it, Vanderbilt, Missouri, Tennessee, LSU.
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Speaker 3: That is by I think Anti Metrics is the deepest
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Speaker 3: conference in college football. And for Alabama to be the
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Speaker 3: number one, if you told me in August the number
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Speaker 3: one team from the SEC, whoever it is, do they
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Speaker 3: deserve to be in a twelve team playoff? I would
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Speaker 3: say absolutely, unequivocally yes. And you know, yeah they played,
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Speaker 3: they didn't look good. But what in the hell is
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Speaker 3: with college football? In the NFL and the Major League Baseball,
24:32
Speaker 3: all these sports the best teams get a bye. So
24:36
Speaker 3: how is college football got this thing where now the
24:39
Speaker 3: best teams, well, they don't get a bye. They have
24:41
Speaker 3: to play each other. And teams like Oregon, and A
24:45
Speaker 3: and M and H and Ole miss they sit here
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Speaker 3: and they don't play. So I think we all understand that.
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Speaker 3: But to me, it's what I value, and Alabama is
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Speaker 3: in and I don't have any hesitation with that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think college conference championships are going to
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Speaker 2: be around much longer.
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Speaker 3: I think it's too difficult. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I mean even in the ACC, I mean, why do
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Speaker 2: you have a tie breaker system that puts why couldn't
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Speaker 2: you have Miami versus Virginia and we could have avoided
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Speaker 2: all of this?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but even the tie breakers.
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Speaker 2: Seasons, Yeah, I agree. Talk about Notre Dame. Do they
25:24
Speaker 2: have a beef though? I know, I know you're saying
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Speaker 2: they got it all right? So why do you think
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame deserved to be on the outside looking in?
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Speaker 3: Well, listen, they have been invited to the conference, the
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Speaker 3: Big Ten. I've looked it up for decades. They played
25:38
Speaker 3: one hundred and nineteen years. They have turned down the
25:40
Speaker 3: opportunity to be in a conference, the Big Twelve, the ACC.
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Speaker 3: In fact, during the COVID they were temporarily in the ACC.
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Speaker 3: And of course they've they've been in the Big East
25:49
Speaker 3: and the ACC and other sports. But they want to
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Speaker 3: be independent. Okay, fine, you can still win the national
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Speaker 3: championship as an independent, but you're going to lose all
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Speaker 3: ties if you go out and you play a schedule
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Speaker 3: like that. They their their their one impressive win is
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Speaker 3: is usc and they you know, they lose the AM
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Speaker 3: and m they lose to Miami and then they they
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Speaker 3: don't want to play in a conference. So to me,
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Speaker 3: when you compare that to what Alabama, you know, Alabama
26:17
Speaker 3: had to go four straight games and beat and they
26:20
Speaker 3: did beat ranked teams, I think that the you know,
26:24
Speaker 3: the schedule and the idea that so before they played
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Speaker 3: the conference championship game, then you would have said Alabama
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Speaker 3: at two losses has a much more impressive resume than
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Speaker 3: Notre Dame at two losses and then at least on
26:40
Speaker 3: the balance of the season. And then and then you say,
26:42
Speaker 3: well Alabama had to play and well, okay, Notre Dame
26:46
Speaker 3: is never going to put themselves in that situation. In
26:48
Speaker 3: my opinion, what I value, I'd say, Notre Dame, you're
26:51
Speaker 3: going to lose all ties. This was a tie, you
26:54
Speaker 3: lost the tie. I'm with you.
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Speaker 5: I think I think that there's room for that, and
26:58
Speaker 5: yet that kind of goes to the Tulane and James Madison.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, before you get to that, just a point on
27:04
Speaker 3: Notre Dame. They played football for one hundred nineteen years.
27:07
Speaker 3: For one hundred and four of those years, there was
27:09
Speaker 3: no Big Ten championship game. So in that so the discrepancy,
27:14
Speaker 3: you know, between them being independent, it didn't it didn't
27:17
Speaker 3: get thrust to the forefront when in the rankings because
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Speaker 3: nobody else was playing conference championship games. In this era
27:23
Speaker 3: of conference championship games, I think that they're in a
27:27
Speaker 3: detriment to the the in the manner that I described.
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Speaker 5: All right, well, I mean so too. Then to me,
27:33
Speaker 5: it's like there's a couple of teams you were saying,
27:35
Speaker 5: like Texas and Vanderbilt and some other teams that are
27:38
Speaker 5: good teams in that SEC conference. For example, Notre Dame
27:41
Speaker 5: is a good team. They've been playing good football, and
27:43
Speaker 5: yet they're along with the others on the outside looking in.
27:46
Speaker 5: And I like, giving an underdog an opportunity to play
27:49
Speaker 5: with the big boys, and yet I'm not one hundred
27:51
Speaker 5: percent sure if I mean, you're just looking at you know, Tulane,
27:56
Speaker 5: for example, one of their losses. It's not like they
27:58
Speaker 5: went undefeated. One of their losses, they lost forty five
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Speaker 5: to ten to Old Miss is who they are going
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Speaker 5: to face now in the first round of the playoffs.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't seem like that's one of the teams that
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Speaker 5: really has a chance of winning this thing.
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Speaker 3: Everything that I'm going to say really has nothing to
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Speaker 3: do with, hey, do we want to give the little
28:14
Speaker 3: guy a chance? You know, look, look we're the United
28:18
Speaker 3: States and the Olympics. You know a lot of people
28:20
Speaker 3: look at us like we're the Yankees, or you know,
28:23
Speaker 3: we're Notre Dame or what have you. This is an
28:27
Speaker 3: argument from pragmatics, and I think we all I'll just
28:31
Speaker 3: say for me, and I'll try maybe to convince you,
28:34
Speaker 3: we need to shut the hell up and accept the
28:39
Speaker 3: group of five. For the following reason. If you know,
28:43
Speaker 3: when I was a player rep in the NFL, did
28:45
Speaker 3: a lot of reading about anti trust law school. We're
28:48
Speaker 3: going through the strike then that intrigued me. I've read
28:53
Speaker 3: all fifty four pages of Allston versus the NCAA, all
28:57
Speaker 3: the things that a lot of college felt football fans.
29:00
Speaker 3: I would say most football fans are turned off about
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Speaker 3: college football the nil the revenue sharing, the open transfer portal,
29:10
Speaker 3: all of that was triggered by the NCAA, who got
29:15
Speaker 3: greedy in the Alston case. That was just that was
29:17
Speaker 3: not a case about the compense overall compensation for players.
29:22
Speaker 3: That was just educated education related like computers or postgraduate training,
29:29
Speaker 3: or a violin for a musician a music major. And
29:34
Speaker 3: the NCAA they lost at the appellate court or the
29:37
Speaker 3: lower court. They lost at the appellate court. They took
29:39
Speaker 3: it to the Supreme Court, not Austin, and they lost
29:42
Speaker 3: nine to nothing. They have had some really bad legal
29:45
Speaker 3: advice when you look with respect to understanding anti trust laws.
29:51
Speaker 3: When you look at the college football playoffs, this is
29:54
Speaker 3: the courts look at that as a multi billion dollar
29:56
Speaker 3: commercial marketplace, not just a tournament. They control the TV money,
30:01
Speaker 3: the recruiting, visibility, conference, financial survival. I'm talking about the
30:06
Speaker 3: group of five right now. Okay, the group of five.
30:09
Speaker 3: They compete in the same division under the same rules,
30:13
Speaker 3: and so the courts say that's the same legal marketplace.
30:16
Speaker 3: If the if the power for schools want to coordinate
30:19
Speaker 3: some exclusion that is unlawful restrative trade and from the
30:24
Speaker 3: championship market and the same principles that they lost the
30:30
Speaker 3: Austin and lost the old Bona abandon case. You cannot
30:35
Speaker 3: restrict economic opportunity without lawful competitive justification, and so they
30:42
Speaker 3: they would be running a foul. They would be foolish
30:44
Speaker 3: for another time to UH to to push the group
30:48
Speaker 3: of five into anti trust court, because that they lose
30:51
Speaker 3: an anti trust court and they misjudged like they did
30:55
Speaker 3: with with Austin. They're going to have cord inclusion of
30:59
Speaker 3: the group in five. You know you're gonna get a
31:01
Speaker 3: lot more group of five teams involved. They're gonna have
31:03
Speaker 3: force revenue sharing, okay, just like they've ordered the players
31:08
Speaker 3: to get about twenty million, they're gonna have UH an
31:10
Speaker 3: anti trus court. When you lose, it's called treble damagel
31:13
Speaker 3: treble damages. What's treble just meets triple So whatever injury
31:17
Speaker 3: you can show that you've you have, then the UH
31:22
Speaker 3: the defendant owes you three times as much. You're gonna
31:25
Speaker 3: have a loss of postseason control. I would just say
31:28
Speaker 3: this in the same way that the the NCAA should
31:31
Speaker 3: have just said, hey, let the players have their freaking violin.
31:35
Speaker 3: Don't let this get exposed in the courts, I would
31:38
Speaker 3: say to you know, for me, I just look at it.
31:41
Speaker 3: It's a ten team tournament and there's two teams from
31:44
Speaker 3: the group of five. Let it be. Let those two
31:48
Speaker 3: teams play. And if you if you say, well, that's
31:51
Speaker 3: bad football, don't watch, just to say Oregon's got a
31:54
Speaker 3: scrimmage and it just had instead of it being an
31:57
Speaker 3: intersquad scrimmage, they're gonna scrimmage JM. You don't watch, but
32:00
Speaker 3: don't try and eliminate JMU, because you're going to have consequences.
32:05
Speaker 3: You had no idea, the idea and guess what, you've
32:08
Speaker 3: already lived it in the last five years. I think.
32:11
Speaker 3: So let's understand where the NCAA and and where the
32:16
Speaker 3: college football playoff would be with respect to the anti
32:18
Speaker 3: trust laws, and don't incite those group of fives to
32:22
Speaker 3: take the power forward to court.
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Speaker 2: I think James Madison's winning by thirty here.
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Speaker 3: Hey, listen, I'd rather I'd rather give them three teams.
32:33
Speaker 3: If you want to pump it up to sixteen, I'd
32:35
Speaker 3: rather and and and not have to go to court.
32:40
Speaker 3: So at any event, I hope, I hope, I'll just
32:43
Speaker 3: I'm not you know, think how you want to you
32:46
Speaker 3: want to hate the JMU and and and Tulane is
32:48
Speaker 3: in there, fine, but there's a damn good reason why
32:52
Speaker 3: they're in there. Just put them in another category in
32:54
Speaker 3: your mind. Just put them in a different category. It's
32:57
Speaker 3: a ten team power for conference. And get us what Oregon,
33:02
Speaker 3: Oregon gotta buy with James Madison and Ole Miss gotta
33:08
Speaker 3: buy with tu let Just think of it as not
33:10
Speaker 3: four teams, with the buy six teams. That's what I
33:13
Speaker 3: would recommend.
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Speaker 4: It's still better than just having four in so.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, you know, the one thing they
33:21
Speaker 3: could do. You know, if you look up, if you
33:23
Speaker 3: just google NFL Playoff on procedures, you can find it
33:28
Speaker 3: right on NFL dot com. It says what happens if
33:30
Speaker 3: two teams they call it two clubs tie? What are
33:33
Speaker 3: three or more? And there's literally twelve stages in order
33:37
Speaker 3: in order and how they The NCAA's problem is they
33:40
Speaker 3: need to do it, like they need to say this
33:43
Speaker 3: is what the system is, so that we don't have
33:46
Speaker 3: to wait for the committee, like what are they doing
33:48
Speaker 3: this year? What are they doing next year? You just
33:51
Speaker 3: follow the program just like the NFL, and have twelve
33:55
Speaker 3: steps on how to determine who's in.
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Speaker 2: Monday Morning Quarterback with Hugh Millan, and we will get
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Speaker 2: back to Seahawks talk next and of course with coach
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Speaker 2: Holmgren at nine o'clock Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
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Speaker 7: Third of the yard play action Donald on the roll
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Speaker 7: looking downfield, deflected kind it's intercepted, picked up by my
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Speaker 7: cues off the deflection of down at the thirty of Seattle.
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Speaker 4: Fox Sports with the highlight call.
34:31
Speaker 2: The Seahawks had a lot of highlights in the second
34:34
Speaker 2: half of their blowout, went over the Atlanta Falcons to
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Speaker 2: move to ten and three on the season, thirty seven
34:39
Speaker 2: to nine, the final score of a game that was
34:42
Speaker 2: tied at halftime, six to six. Mike Homer will join
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Speaker 2: us at nine o'clock, which means one more segment here
34:49
Speaker 2: with just Hugh millin r QB one as part of
34:52
Speaker 2: our Monday Morning Quarterback session and boy Man game talk
34:56
Speaker 2: about a game that turns on a dime, and we've
34:59
Speaker 2: already talked about the second half adjustments, but Rashid shah
35:04
Speaker 2: Heed to return that kick and I guess Mike McDonald
35:07
Speaker 2: called it in the second half. You can't get much
35:12
Speaker 2: better start to a second half than that. Hugh, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'd pump the brakes on that thought.
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Speaker 2: I think that every coach says that, you know, hey,
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Speaker 2: we're getting the kick off, you know, you know, hey, hey,
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Speaker 2: let's return for a touchdown. Yeah, you say say it
35:28
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty times and finally it happens. I
35:32
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe that was the first time.
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Speaker 3: I haven't been in that locker, but but I think
35:35
Speaker 3: that's pretty typical coach talk. But I'll tell you what,
35:39
Speaker 3: that that heat that he brings is just breathtaking, right,
35:43
Speaker 3: I mean, he has such a beautiful stride. I mean
35:45
Speaker 3: you could you could put a champagne glass on top
35:48
Speaker 3: of his helmet as he's sprinting. He's just so smooth
35:51
Speaker 3: and there's just this this gliding nature to it. I mean,
35:55
Speaker 3: just beautiful gait in him. And it's just so explosive.
35:59
Speaker 3: And I mean, you had Todd gone and I had
36:02
Speaker 3: it in my notes where the great blocks, but but
36:06
Speaker 3: you had you had a double team at the point
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Speaker 3: of attack. Bobo uh And I'll get those numbers in
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Speaker 3: a second. Bobo had the most difficult single block. And
36:15
Speaker 3: the good thing that he did is while he started
36:18
Speaker 3: to lose it, which will happen. These are long bloss
36:21
Speaker 3: to sustain. But how often do you see a great
36:24
Speaker 3: kickoff return like that, And of course it's negated because
36:28
Speaker 3: somebody held, so Bobo at the point of attack had
36:32
Speaker 3: the discretion to say, hey, I lost that block, which
36:34
Speaker 3: was better, but I'm just I'm not gonna I'm not
36:37
Speaker 3: gonna hold because of it. And that was where he
36:39
Speaker 3: had a slight broken tackle there uh coming up the
36:43
Speaker 3: pipe for Shihet and the rest of it was just
36:46
Speaker 3: you know, he just fast enough to make guys miss
36:48
Speaker 3: and uh and and so at any rate, that's you
36:52
Speaker 3: know that fourth and fifth round and that was that
36:54
Speaker 3: that they gave up. Nice to see it pay off
36:57
Speaker 3: payoff yesterday.
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know how few have enough time to
37:01
Speaker 5: get into that Donald interception.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure there's some people like, oh now.
37:04
Speaker 5: The turnover and although I don't know for sure, that's
37:07
Speaker 5: one that you would say are all created equal?
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Speaker 3: Right, Well it you know, it's oddly it was the
37:12
Speaker 3: same structure of the play that member against the Vikings
37:15
Speaker 3: when when Max Broswell threw that eighty five yard pick six.
37:19
Speaker 3: Of course you do. It was just a week ago
37:20
Speaker 3: Ernest Jones right. Structurally was the same thing. You're you're
37:23
Speaker 3: you're in an offset eye. The fullback's going away, but
37:26
Speaker 3: the run the tailback is going to the side of
37:29
Speaker 3: the role. And so Canine was kind of covered there
37:33
Speaker 3: and and so Donald. You know, as a right handed
37:36
Speaker 3: quarterback going to his left, he's they've had more naked
37:39
Speaker 3: bootlegs to his left. I think that's a harder throw
37:43
Speaker 3: Eliza Royo, you know he's working on man to man
37:45
Speaker 3: against a corner. They're a lighter man. You know, you
37:49
Speaker 3: want on that route, you want to do what's called
37:52
Speaker 3: the ladder step, go vertical and then flatten. He did that,
37:56
Speaker 3: he didn't get the separation goes. He's going against a
37:58
Speaker 3: faster man. What you see in JSN all over it
38:02
Speaker 3: was on yesterday's tape, it's been on the tape all
38:04
Speaker 3: the time, is he will lose ground slightly on an
38:09
Speaker 3: inbreaking route when he senses that the need. And so
38:13
Speaker 3: I think Arroyo could have lost more ground. What I
38:16
Speaker 3: mean by that has come close angled, closer to the
38:18
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. You know, he kind of slowed down,
38:24
Speaker 3: which which caused the ball to be ahead. I think
38:26
Speaker 3: Arroyo was thinking, hey, I'll get this guy in my
38:29
Speaker 3: back like a rebounder. I think Darnold even referenced that
38:32
Speaker 3: in the post game, So they weren't quite on the
38:35
Speaker 3: same page and the technique. And by the way, one
38:37
Speaker 3: further point, this is what this is what professional football
38:40
Speaker 3: is all about. Precisions in the detail. So this is
38:42
Speaker 3: a we talked about the week side flood, deep, intermediate
38:45
Speaker 3: and short, and and Arroyo's being the intermediate guy from
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Speaker 3: the opposite side Cody White to that song, He's got
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Speaker 3: the deep route against that corner, He's got to go
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Speaker 3: over the top of him to create a nice picture
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Speaker 3: for the quarterback. Instead, he tries the crawl face. So
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Speaker 3: instead of having deep, intermediate, short, in essence, there was
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Speaker 3: two guys in the intermediate window. Do you want to
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Speaker 3: have better spacing than that? That could cause a little
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Speaker 3: bit of a hesitation for a quarterback. I don't know
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Speaker 3: if Darnold would confirm that, but I know that that
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Speaker 3: spacing wasn't right. So just cleaning up the details and
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Speaker 3: at least you got that red zone defense we talked about.
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Speaker 3: Only two out of eighteen successful plays by the Falcons
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Speaker 3: in the red zone. They cleaned up the mess.
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