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Chuck & Buck 11-10 Hour 4: MMQB continues with Mike Holmgren and Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Holmgrin and Hugh Millin. Here's Chuckin' buck High.
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Speaker 2: Nine o'clock hour, and yes, Coach Holmgren is with us.
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Speaker 3: Buggy.
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Speaker 4: Look how good coach looks like?
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Speaker 3: Got his hoodie on?
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Speaker 5: You know, yeah, yeah, normally way to get normally He's
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Speaker 5: got like a kind of a dressies shirt on. It's
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Speaker 5: kind of a little more comfort today. But it looked
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Speaker 5: good in that hoodie. I'll tell you that, you know.
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Speaker 6: Thank you very much. It's been a long time since
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Speaker 6: I've seen you.
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Speaker 3: Guys.
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Speaker 6: It's nice to see you in person. Yeah, I enjoyed.
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Speaker 6: I enjoy hearing you on the radio and talking over
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Speaker 6: the phone. Yeah, but I'm glad to be here. Good
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Speaker 6: to see you, especially when it gets a haircut for you. Yeah,
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Speaker 6: you know, he came in and shake my hand. I said,
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Speaker 6: and you, who are you again?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Right?
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Speaker 6: You know your beard has I knew you right away. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 6: although I did trim it up for you. It's trim.
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Speaker 3: It is trim. I was just a little more homeless
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Speaker 3: last week. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, good to have you with us. And we
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Speaker 2: have another blowout to talk about for a second consecutive week.
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Speaker 2: It's not supposed to look this easy, not in the
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Speaker 2: National Football League. I mean, if that happens, you know,
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Speaker 2: in the the big ten Ohio State versus Maryland, you
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Speaker 2: know we might see a blowout like this. It's not
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Speaker 2: supposed to be this easy in the new National Football League.
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Speaker 2: And yet back to back weeks of sheer dominance.
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Speaker 6: Coach, Yeah, I mean they're really playing well, and you know,
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Speaker 6: I would say this just qualified just a little bit.
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Speaker 6: They had a great game, but Arizona they've got a
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Speaker 6: lot of work to do, you know, just like Washington,
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Speaker 6: who they won to meet the week before. But it
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Speaker 6: was it was a blowout. You know, I'm in the
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Speaker 6: office looking at it. Kathy came in, what's the score?
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Speaker 6: Because it was only halftime. It's thirty eight to sept
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Speaker 6: She was what, you know, I mean, it was it
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Speaker 6: was over early. And and hats off to Mike McDonald
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Speaker 6: and how he's getting them playing and the other of
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Speaker 6: the other thing. I just want to say one other
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Speaker 6: thing he they did. They had some key guys hurt.
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Speaker 6: You know, they have injury situations, particularly on defense. But
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Speaker 6: the defense they the next guy and they talk about
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Speaker 6: the next steps up. And that's what exactly what's happened.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 6: Travis Knight at linebacker, Oh my goodness, what a game
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Speaker 6: he had, you know, And I mean that's I give
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Speaker 6: credit to Mike McDonald for that.
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Speaker 4: Let's let's talk about that in a little bit greater depth.
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Speaker 4: What as coach to coach? What impresses you about that?
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you know, Tyo Cotta Drake Thomas.
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Speaker 4: As you know, it seems like those guys are assimilating
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Speaker 4: in and and you know, playing fast and the recognition
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Speaker 4: and what have you. Mike, but maybe just talk from
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Speaker 4: a coach's perspective about the challenge of having those guys
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Speaker 4: and as you said, there's no drop off.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you excuse me. The I always if
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Speaker 6: that happened when I was coaching, and I would reference
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Speaker 6: the offense more than a defense. If you lose, you know,
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Speaker 6: your quarterback, that has a dramatic effect. I mean, you
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Speaker 6: say what you want to and you want your next guy.
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Speaker 6: They talk about the next guy steps up. It's not
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Speaker 6: the same. And so when they can do what they
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Speaker 6: did on defense, Mike's a defense. That's where his emphasis
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Speaker 6: is on defense, particularly replacing guys like Love, you know,
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Speaker 6: who was very very key to them.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 6: Then it says that in practice and how they how
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Speaker 6: the young guys deal with it, the focus, how the
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Speaker 6: coaches are getting them to think, it's not just competition talk.
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Speaker 6: We're we're not We're not sitting up just talking about competition.
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Speaker 6: You've got to be ready to play, and they they
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Speaker 6: are ready, and you don't see that. You don't see
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Speaker 6: that very often. Honestly, when you have injuries like that
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Speaker 6: to a team, you know, they usually don't play. They
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Speaker 6: can't play at the same level. Yesterday's defense did that.
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Speaker 6: They played at a really high level.
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Speaker 5: You being a kind of an offensive minded guru that
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Speaker 5: could come up with stuff. I'm sure you're you created
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Speaker 5: a lot of headaches for opposing defensive coordinators or even defensive.
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Speaker 3: Minded head coaches.
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Speaker 5: And yet Hugh kind of was breaking down a couple
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Speaker 5: of blitz plays that apparently Greg had written a story
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Speaker 5: earlier about or last night, possibly about there was a
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Speaker 5: couple of blitzes. The two that turned into those sacks,
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Speaker 5: scoop and scores were things that they hadn't seen before.
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Speaker 5: And so when you're watching his defense go up against
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Speaker 5: whichever offense it's it is, is it one of those
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Speaker 5: where you reflect back to, oh man, these are those
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Speaker 5: type of coaches that created headaches for me as an
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Speaker 5: opposing head coach.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what, Yes, to answer your question, Buck, Yeah,
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Speaker 6: you'd see that and you go I miss that, or
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Speaker 6: but then then the players listen, you studying the film,
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Speaker 6: you see something new. But I listened to Hugh's explanation
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Speaker 6: a little bit on that blitz. He lost me in
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Speaker 6: the first three minutes, by the way, and talking how
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Speaker 6: how it all went. But no, but I you know
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Speaker 6: how a quarterback has to send the line. If every
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Speaker 6: I would say this, if every offensive player does what
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Speaker 6: he's supposed to do, you shouldn't have a guy come clean.
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Speaker 6: There might be some guy on the outside come clean
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Speaker 6: because they have you're outnumbered. But if they break down
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Speaker 6: like they did, there are mistakes happening on the offensive line.
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Speaker 6: So yeah, you know, someone might catch you off guard.
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Speaker 6: But then the quarterback has to throw it quickly somewhere
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Speaker 6: he knows where the problem is. Then he has to
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Speaker 6: see it. You had to have a hot receiver available,
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Speaker 6: and they didn't do that yesterday, and so no, but
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Speaker 6: it you know, he creates stuff. I remember going against
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Speaker 6: Buddy Ryan and the Giants, the New York Giants when
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Speaker 6: they have Lawrence Jelly and those guys, and you just
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Speaker 6: knew a Reggie White when he was against me. You
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Speaker 6: just knew that it was going to be hard. So
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Speaker 6: you focus in on how you're going to do that,
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Speaker 6: and your quarterback has to be ready if it down
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Speaker 6: to do the right thing and get the ball out
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Speaker 6: of your hands, don't take the big sack, you know,
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Speaker 6: play the short game, run the ball more, you know,
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Speaker 6: if they're really getting to you.
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Speaker 3: You know, Mike.
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Speaker 4: One thing that intrigues me is is that the idea
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Speaker 4: of green dogging, you know, the key dogging and you
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Speaker 4: know Tyrese Knight. They say, look, if that running back,
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Speaker 4: if he doesn't block, emon, worry who's coming through the
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Speaker 4: B gap. If he releases, you got to cover him.
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Speaker 4: But if he does block, then you turn it into
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Speaker 4: a blitz like that's and and and that's where you
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Speaker 4: can get an overload. And you say, well, from a
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Speaker 4: quarterback perspective, you say, wait a minute, they green dog me.
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Speaker 4: I didn't have anywhere to go with the ball. I
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Speaker 4: think that first touchdown on the fumble was very interesting.
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Speaker 4: I think it really illuminates about football in the following regard.
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Speaker 4: You can defend a quarterback on his side of the
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Speaker 4: line of scrimmage, the offensive side of the line of
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Speaker 4: scrimmage on how you rush him, or on your side
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Speaker 4: the defensive side, on how you cover. There's no question
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Speaker 4: on that touchdown that that Drake Thomas busted the coverage
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Speaker 4: the middle. He was playing middle linebacker. He buzzed out
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Speaker 4: and and Trey McBride was running wide open right over
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Speaker 4: the middle like a short, shallow cross and uh uh,
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Speaker 4: and nobody's nobody's covering him. Clearly Seattle busted on that.
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Speaker 4: So they set gets an f on their coverage for
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Speaker 4: that reason. But the blitz was so complex that they
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Speaker 4: were able to get that green dog, get the hand
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Speaker 4: up and cause the the fumble, and and and so
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Speaker 4: they are so good on that side of the line
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Speaker 4: of scrimmers.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: I think that I find that fascinating that that Arizona
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Speaker 4: would look at that tape and go, oh my god,
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Speaker 4: we had we were wide open if we could just
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Speaker 4: get it. But but Sea was so good in their blitz.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, the something you mentioned earlier was that
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Speaker 6: you had three linemen blocking uh uh, you know, the
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Speaker 6: Seattle's best, even will Leonard Williams, three of them. And
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Speaker 6: of course that's it's not supposed to be that.
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Speaker 3: I don't care. It's supposed to how good the guy is.
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Speaker 6: You don't do that because they're gonna be guys that
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Speaker 6: are free, so, uh, you know, those types of things.
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Speaker 6: And and the other thing I would say is, if
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Speaker 6: you know they're playing against Brissette. When they played against
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Speaker 6: uh Taylor Tyler Kyler, Murray Kyler, they he's movement, they
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Speaker 6: have to rush differently. There's more of a contain kind
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Speaker 6: of theory. They knew where Brissette was going to be
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Speaker 6: and as long as he's in that spot, they can
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Speaker 6: do a lot of different things over there. So that
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Speaker 6: played into it as well.
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Speaker 2: Mike Homberan is with us, and yeah, at one point
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Speaker 2: he did have Reggie White playing for him. That was
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Speaker 2: a lot more fun for coach Holmbron, who's with us
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Speaker 2: here on Monday morning quarterback with Hugh Millen. It's a
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Speaker 2: good problem to have being up thirty five to nothing
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Speaker 2: with eight and a half minutes left in the second quarter.
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Speaker 4: But how difficult is that to coach.
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Speaker 2: The rest of the way where you're just trying to
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Speaker 2: melt clock, not get anybody hurt, but you still have
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Speaker 2: two and a half quarters you've got to go.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a that's a challenge, you know, And and
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Speaker 6: to say that you're gonna stay the same revd Up,
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Speaker 6: I'm not sure.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 6: The only other time that I was involved in the
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Speaker 6: game like that, we were playing the Eagles and he was,
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Speaker 6: and he was the coach, and we were up forty
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Speaker 6: to nothing with with you know, right in the third
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Speaker 6: quarter of the first drive, we scored forty boom. Now,
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Speaker 6: now I got the second half to play and I
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Speaker 6: didn't throw another pass. I ran every single play.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 6: And and you know that wasn't any fun for the
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Speaker 6: backup guys. They they want to, hey, come on, I'm
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Speaker 6: a receiver, throw me the ball. But that's what I did.
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Speaker 6: I said one, I don't I know. They can't score
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Speaker 6: forty one that one. I know. So let's just get
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Speaker 6: the game over with. Let's just make it happen faster. Well,
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Speaker 6: we're sure, go ahead, go ahead. You no, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 4: So, Mike, if you had been on the sidelines there
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Speaker 4: and you're you're kind of directing, I know you're the
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Speaker 4: play caller, but let's just say for the sake of
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Speaker 4: the discussion that Clint Kubiak is your play caller. Would
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Speaker 4: you get on the headset and say, hey, let's run
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Speaker 4: it to the tune of just two pass attempts for
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Speaker 4: the entire second half that Seattle had. Would it be
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Speaker 4: that much of a running or would have you tried
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Speaker 4: to you know, from time to time, just keep things
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Speaker 4: loosened up. I mean, how would have you handled because
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Speaker 4: that was that was a that was a very rare
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Speaker 4: game plan that Seattle had in that second half.
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Speaker 6: In that regard, No, I mean when you look at
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Speaker 6: the if you looked at the numbers, Chuck and I
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Speaker 6: put those lists together, typically he was ten for twelve
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Speaker 6: in a game. Now who in the end NFL. In
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Speaker 6: today's NFL, some guys throw twelve passes in a quarter,
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Speaker 6: you know, for the whole game. So, but but you
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Speaker 6: would emphasize, okay, we're gonna we're gonna slow this thing
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Speaker 6: down and run it. But then yeah, third and four,
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Speaker 6: third and five had throw a quick pass. No, I
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Speaker 6: would not, just although I just said I did it,
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Speaker 6: now I'm saying now I'm older, wiser. Yeah, I probably
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Speaker 6: wouldn't have done it that way. I probably would have
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Speaker 6: thrown the ball a little bit, keep everyone happy. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 6: I mean maybe part I mean I don't think there.
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Speaker 6: I think they were just trying to milk the clock
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Speaker 6: and get the thing over a fewer plays you can.
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Speaker 6: You have to run the least chance somebody's gonna get hurt.
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Speaker 6: But you know, the one negative side was the turnovers.
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Speaker 6: You know, Sam had a couple or a few of them, actually,
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Speaker 6: And so I'm wondering, is that do you just chalk
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Speaker 6: that up to the intensity level dropped.
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Speaker 5: Because you're up thirty five to zero, or are you
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Speaker 5: still gonna be really coaching them up on that because
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Speaker 5: you know, can you know, making sure you take care
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Speaker 5: of the ball is important.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I think anytime when when you're coaching against turnovers, regardless
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Speaker 6: of the score, you're going to talk about those things.
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Speaker 6: You know, when he with the snap from center, yeah
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Speaker 6: they had it. I think they the center got injured.
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Speaker 6: They brought in a new center, and you know this.
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Speaker 6: You know sometimes it's a little different, or they haven't
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Speaker 6: taken a snap for a while. You know, it's different. So, yeah, no,
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Speaker 6: that can't happen. You tell that can't happen. I don't
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Speaker 6: care what the score is. That can happen. And you
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Speaker 6: we're still making good decisions throwing the ball.
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Speaker 3: We're not. We're not putting it up there, you know.
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Speaker 6: And I think I think in Brissette's case and in
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Speaker 6: Sam's case, you know, when you get hit, you know
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Speaker 6: they're trying to throw it, you get hit in the ball,
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Speaker 6: that there's an interception or something that happened, happens.
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Speaker 3: Whose fault is that?
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Speaker 6: I mean, it's not you're not The decision may have
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Speaker 6: been a good one, but he got hit, you know so,
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Speaker 6: but you do talk about it and try and correct it. Well.
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Speaker 2: Greg Bell pointed out to us earlier in the show that,
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Speaker 2: I mean Sam's only been sacked ten times, and he's
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Speaker 2: fumbled four times on those sacks. He's got a few
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Speaker 2: more interceptions. I mean, he's probably not in the top
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Speaker 2: of the MVP conversation because Matt Stafford's only thrown two
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Speaker 2: and Drake May's only thrown five so far this year.
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Speaker 2: So I would ask you both.
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Speaker 3: I'll start with, actually, you, Hugh, are we worried?
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Speaker 2: Are we concerned at all about Sam Darnold's turnovers.
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Speaker 4: I'm not concerned. First of all, the four fumbles, definitely
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Speaker 4: one of them against Houston in the end zone. The
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Speaker 4: fumble there, that's a double minus. That's awful. But if
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Speaker 4: you go through the four he was looking to his left.
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Speaker 4: And by the way, on ball security, Mike, you check
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Speaker 4: me if you don't agree with this. Not all ball
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Speaker 4: security is the same. If you're if you're running as
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Speaker 4: a quarterback. Then then you say, okay, you have to
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Speaker 4: cover it up like a running back. If you're standing
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Speaker 4: in the pocket and you're climbing, you have both hands
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Speaker 4: on the ball, then you have to be strong. But
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Speaker 4: if you're starting the throwing motion, your hands are going
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Speaker 4: to separate. And if you're looking to your left and
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Speaker 4: somebody gets smoked to your right, Like, how do you
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Speaker 4: coach a quarterback like he's not he doesn't have the
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Speaker 4: same standard that ball, he's holding it with one hand,
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Speaker 4: he's about to throw it. If his arm gets hit,
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Speaker 4: it's gonna fumble.
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Speaker 3: Period.
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Speaker 4: So so the against Bosa, he's looking to his left
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Speaker 4: and while he's throwing the ball gots dislodged. He had
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Speaker 4: another one and that was at two point four seconds.
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Speaker 4: He had another one against the Cardinals where the guy
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Speaker 4: came around the backside. Uh, you know, three point one seconds.
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Speaker 4: But but he's throwing it and so if somebody from
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Speaker 4: his backside hits his hand, there's not much he can
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Speaker 4: do about it. As I said, Houston absolutely cannot have that.
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Speaker 4: And then and then you had yesterday. He was going
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Speaker 4: to his left. Look, Josh Sweat could have been the
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Speaker 4: Super Bowl MVP last year.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 4: In terms of the havoc that he created against Pat Mahomes,
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Speaker 4: he has a eighty four and eighth inch, which is
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Speaker 4: ninety fifth percentile of all defensive ends. He reached out,
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Speaker 4: Sam Donold was looking to his left. He had a
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Speaker 4: wide open guy who's just gonna throw to him. He
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Speaker 4: reached out and and he caught Sam one. Sam was throwing.
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Speaker 4: So the only way you can you can coach Mike
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Speaker 4: a quarterback and say, hey, you got a field, don't
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Speaker 4: throw it if you feel like that's got guy's going
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Speaker 4: to be there. And sometimes that that's valid. But if
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Speaker 4: the quarterback's looking the opposite way, he can't be hung
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Speaker 4: up on on you know, whether or not his hand's
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Speaker 4: gonna get hit by a guy that he can't see.
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Speaker 6: No, And I would agree, I would agree with Hugh
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Speaker 6: and this jock it's not I don't worry about that
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Speaker 6: with him. I really don't. You know, And you probably
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Speaker 6: did this drill eight thousand times. You know, the quarterback
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Speaker 6: in practice, you go back and there are guys on
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Speaker 6: both sides with bags, and then you go back, step
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Speaker 6: up and they're banging you, and then you have to
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Speaker 6: you have to learn to then protect the football, and
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Speaker 6: those are the time you must learn that. You see
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Speaker 6: his quarterbacks fumble now and they haven't.
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Speaker 3: They don't do that.
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Speaker 6: Well, they come back and they dropping the ball perhaps
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Speaker 6: in the pocket, but when you get hit like that,
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Speaker 6: it's not it's not on him.
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Speaker 3: Typically, did you do that? We were you the guy
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Speaker 3: that had the rake and.
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Speaker 2: You were trying to poke at it and practice and
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Speaker 2: all of that stuff. Or did you ever have to
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Speaker 2: tape the ball to you know, running back's hands. Did
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Speaker 2: you have to do any of those tricks?
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Speaker 3: No? I didn't. I didn't. I had Zorn do that.
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Speaker 6: I'd come out and he'd be having volleyballs and beach
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Speaker 6: balls and he do all sorts of weird stuff out
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Speaker 6: there with the quarterbacks.
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Speaker 3: But like what he's doing? What is he doing? You know?
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Speaker 3: All right?
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Speaker 2: Mike O, I'm Rinn and Hugh Millan with us Monday
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Speaker 2: morning quarterback. We got a lot more ground to cover,
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Speaker 2: so we'll get to it next. Sports Radio ninety three
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Speaker 2: point three kJ R f M.
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Speaker 7: Well, he got a game ball as well as d
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Speaker 7: Law but teenight specifically, same story. It's you got to
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Speaker 7: stay ready, how you prepare, and he's playing great football,
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Speaker 7: you know, Obviously you want to hearn us back as
18:00
Speaker 7: as soon as possible, but he's showing that he can
18:02
Speaker 7: go in and play great ball for us and execute.
18:04
Speaker 7: Both of those were pressures that we haven't ran before,
18:07
Speaker 7: and so to be able to go to the next
18:09
Speaker 7: few those things having not getten all the reps was
18:11
Speaker 7: some my part stuff.
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Speaker 2: Pike McDonald talking about to ty Reese Knight and DeMarcus
18:19
Speaker 2: Lawrence combining for I know we've already touched on this
18:22
Speaker 2: with coach and Hugh, but I haven't asked you, Coach,
18:25
Speaker 2: have you ever in your life seen that where two
18:29
Speaker 2: pretty much identical twin plays occurred on the defensive side
18:34
Speaker 2: of the ball that resulted in touchdowns for the same guy.
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Speaker 6: No, I have never seen it, And I mentioned it
18:41
Speaker 6: struck my funny bone. I'm looking at him going, I
18:44
Speaker 6: just saw that. Are they replaying this and are they
18:47
Speaker 6: replaying this and showing it again? Because it's exactly the
18:50
Speaker 6: same and it early in the football game. It's set
18:55
Speaker 6: the entire tone of the game, I think. And No,
18:59
Speaker 6: I've never seen anything like that, you know, and you know,
19:03
Speaker 6: and Mike listened to Mike's comments right there that he
19:06
Speaker 6: was he goes we put something new when he alluded
19:10
Speaker 6: it was new, and he executed beautifully, and the backup
19:13
Speaker 6: linebacker who was now the starter, came in and did it,
19:16
Speaker 6: you know, and I sensed maybe it's maybe it's coach
19:21
Speaker 6: to coach. I sensed a little there was a little
19:24
Speaker 6: pride there. There was a little feel good about him
19:27
Speaker 6: doing that, because I know I did it. All of
19:29
Speaker 6: a sudden, you throw a touchdown pass. And I don't
19:32
Speaker 6: mean to mention this to Buck again. But against Denver
19:35
Speaker 6: when I was with the forty nine ers and I
19:36
Speaker 6: said that they run this defense, we're gonna throw it,
19:40
Speaker 6: and George Seffert goes call it, call to play because
19:42
Speaker 6: it was a new play we'd never run. I said,
19:44
Speaker 6: not yet, not yet. I needed to call it. I
19:47
Speaker 6: need to be at the forty yard line, so get
19:49
Speaker 6: the safeties to move and we got there. I called it.
19:52
Speaker 6: It worked, and I tried to be humble. I really did.
19:58
Speaker 6: But you guys are patting me on the back. Oh no,
20:00
Speaker 6: it wasn't me. It was Jerry Rice, But no, it
20:03
Speaker 6: was me. That was.
20:06
Speaker 2: Well, you said earlier the coach McDonald needs to go
20:09
Speaker 2: up to the podium and said, do you guyalize how
20:11
Speaker 2: awesome I am.
20:12
Speaker 3: I know, I don't think you guys appreciate. I don't
20:14
Speaker 3: think you know football well enough. You know how awesome
20:16
Speaker 3: I am.
20:16
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's start talking about my defense out there.
20:21
Speaker 4: And you know, even when h on the offensive side
20:24
Speaker 4: of the ball, js n's touchdown, Mike, uh, you know,
20:27
Speaker 4: you you want to catch that ball ideally in the
20:31
Speaker 4: end zone so you get a touchdown out of it, right.
20:32
Speaker 4: You don't want to catch it at the four yard
20:34
Speaker 4: line and then you know, goal line stand and then
20:36
Speaker 4: you kick a field goal. Right, But so you can't
20:39
Speaker 4: be you know, too far and not get to the
20:41
Speaker 4: end zone. In an ideal world, you can't be too
20:43
Speaker 4: close and run out of the back of the end zone.
20:45
Speaker 4: I mean, all that stuff comes into play, and it
20:48
Speaker 4: will this Sunday and and just got to get your
20:51
Speaker 4: your thought on you know here here is the in
20:54
Speaker 4: a way is the Seahawks grand plan because in the
20:59
Speaker 4: division and they saw Sean McVay and they saw of
21:03
Speaker 4: course Kyle Shanahan, you know, thought to be two of
21:06
Speaker 4: the brightest you know, if we can use the word
21:08
Speaker 4: brilliant to describe coaches, and I'm sure you're gonna say,
21:11
Speaker 4: of course you can, uh, two brilliant coaches in the
21:14
Speaker 4: in the division and and you say, okay, well we
21:18
Speaker 4: got to match that. So if we if we can't
21:20
Speaker 4: get a brilliant offensive guy like Ben Johnson, let's get
21:23
Speaker 4: a brilliant defensive.
21:25
Speaker 8: Guy like Mike McDonald to battle it. This is the
21:28
Speaker 8: first time you know where you say, wow, this is
21:31
Speaker 8: there's really something on the line here in that regard, Mike. Uh,
21:35
Speaker 8: just talk about your thoughts, uh, Mike McDonald then his
21:38
Speaker 8: defensive acumen versus the uh the offensive brilliance of Sean McVay.
21:45
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's what's gonna make this next game something special.
21:49
Speaker 6: The uh uh, but give credit to both. You know,
21:53
Speaker 6: Sean has done a brilliant job with the Rams and
21:55
Speaker 6: their offense. Now they have a veteran court that I mean,
21:58
Speaker 6: they have the people there to do what ever he
22:00
Speaker 6: chooses to do. Mike is I think in Seattle's case,
22:05
Speaker 6: they're still, in my opinion, they're still in a building process.
22:09
Speaker 6: He's new, he's new in town, and he's still and
22:13
Speaker 6: they're really good right now. But they've bought in. They're
22:17
Speaker 6: playing with emotion and they're doing good stuff over there. Uh,
22:21
Speaker 6: the only time Tampa. I don't know what happened in
22:23
Speaker 6: the Tampa game, but they are really now hitting their peak.
22:27
Speaker 6: And the thing I've said it before and I'll say
22:29
Speaker 6: it again, they're doing it with guys that are substituting
22:32
Speaker 6: for starters. Not many teams can do that. So he's
22:37
Speaker 6: getting everybody in that room to understand that, hey, I
22:43
Speaker 6: expect the same things out of you, even if you're
22:46
Speaker 6: not the starter right now, you could be the starter tomorrow.
22:49
Speaker 6: And getting your team to understand that, and getting the
22:51
Speaker 6: players to understand that that's something specials he's gifted that way.
22:56
Speaker 5: Even though I mean, yesterday was different considering, you know,
23:00
Speaker 5: fourteen of the first twenty one points where with the
23:03
Speaker 5: with the defense, and yet they still had three touchdowns
23:07
Speaker 5: to go up there thirty five to zero, and so well,
23:10
Speaker 5: the offense just kind of took a started just trying
23:13
Speaker 5: to run the ball out to some degree and get
23:16
Speaker 5: the clock running. The offense has been unbelievable, at least
23:20
Speaker 5: especially for the last six quarters right all the last game,
23:22
Speaker 5: in the first half of the first game of yesterday's game,
23:25
Speaker 5: I mean, and so when you're looking at right now,
23:28
Speaker 5: it doesn't still feel like it's all clicking on all cylinders,
23:31
Speaker 5: and yet it's one of the more potent offenses out there.
23:34
Speaker 5: Did you see that coming before the season started?
23:38
Speaker 6: I had my I can't say I saw it the
23:42
Speaker 6: way it's going right now, thought I thought, And I
23:45
Speaker 6: said this, and I say it again, and I although
23:48
Speaker 6: the offensive line now is kind of starting to gel
23:50
Speaker 6: because I think one of the commentators said, they haven't.
23:53
Speaker 6: Those guys have played together now every week, which is important.
23:57
Speaker 6: Now they lost the center yesterday, know what how serious
24:00
Speaker 6: the injury is, but they're they're getting better each week.
24:04
Speaker 3: I think.
24:05
Speaker 6: Have we said that? You know, Arizona lost a number
24:08
Speaker 6: of players during the game injury wise, so they they
24:12
Speaker 6: lost some stuff to there, but no, they they What
24:16
Speaker 6: impressed me was there how they played the second half.
24:20
Speaker 6: They weren't gonna they were gonna work the clock. But
24:23
Speaker 6: Charbonnet and a Walker you saw things. You saw really
24:28
Speaker 6: good things in the running game. I hadn't seen a
24:32
Speaker 6: lot of up to yesterday, and so in that respect,
24:37
Speaker 6: it probably will boost everybody's feelings about the run and
24:41
Speaker 6: what they can do, because yeah, you know they were
24:44
Speaker 6: gonna do that. Arizona knew they were going to do that. Yes,
24:47
Speaker 6: they still were able to get some stuff done that way,
24:49
Speaker 6: and they ran hard.
24:51
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25:01
Speaker 2: the Packers are playing the Eagles. The Packers maybe you've
25:06
Speaker 2: heard of them, coach, they tried to get the tush
25:12
Speaker 2: push outlawed during the off season. They were individually, they
25:17
Speaker 2: raised their end, they yelled it from a mountain up.
25:19
Speaker 2: I want this play out of leg They didn't succeed,
25:22
Speaker 2: So tonight the Eagles do the tush push, taking on
25:25
Speaker 2: the Packers who wanted to ban the tush push. But
25:27
Speaker 2: my question is about how the Seahawks are doing their
25:31
Speaker 2: tush push. I know Hugh hates the play, but I'm wondering,
25:35
Speaker 2: since it is legal, do you both like how the
25:39
Speaker 2: Seahawks have approached it by putting a two hundred and
25:41
Speaker 2: fifty pound tight end under center and AJ Barner.
25:45
Speaker 3: Yeah.
25:46
Speaker 6: I don't like the tush push, but I think but
25:49
Speaker 6: what the Seahawks are doing right now, because with I
25:54
Speaker 6: think it's very effective. I think it worked. I think
25:56
Speaker 6: it's working. It's worked almost every time. I think, you know,
26:00
Speaker 6: but no, I don't like to play. I would have voted,
26:03
Speaker 6: you know, let's not do that, you know, because you're
26:06
Speaker 6: it's a kind of against what most of the rules
26:09
Speaker 6: say that you can't push a guy from behind them
26:12
Speaker 6: and then a regular game, you know. But but they're
26:17
Speaker 6: doing it, and I think they'll vote on it again.
26:19
Speaker 6: I believe the league's going to vote on it again,
26:21
Speaker 6: and it might get thrown out. But I think as
26:24
Speaker 6: long as you're going to try it and it's working, yeah,
26:27
Speaker 6: good for them.
26:27
Speaker 3: They've done it.
26:28
Speaker 6: Now I'll let you go ahead.
26:31
Speaker 4: Well, now my blood's boil and I'm gonna have to
26:33
Speaker 4: go take a cold shower. But first of all, it's
26:36
Speaker 4: not a football play. It's a rugby play in my opinion,
26:40
Speaker 4: And and and just as a reminder, and I'm gonna
26:43
Speaker 4: ask I'm gonna aswer your question about Barner as a reminder.
26:47
Speaker 4: Starting nineteen twenty, the beginning of the league, until two
26:49
Speaker 4: thousand and five, eighty five years, it was outlawed there.
26:54
Speaker 4: It was called aiding the runner, who was a ten
26:57
Speaker 4: yard penalty. All through my career, most of Mike's coaching career,
27:02
Speaker 4: it was. It was a penalty. And so if they
27:04
Speaker 4: if they quote unquote outlaw, in my mind, just pragmatically,
27:09
Speaker 4: they're just reverting to way football always was. I think
27:13
Speaker 4: that's an important distinction that you're not. And by the way,
27:15
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Lewie, the owner of the Eagles, he just needs
27:19
Speaker 4: seven friends because it takes seventy five percent of the
27:23
Speaker 4: owners to overturn that rule. Mike, right, you'd know better
27:25
Speaker 4: than me, you're on the competition committee. But that's my understanding.
27:30
Speaker 4: As for Barner, Yeah, look, he's stronger than a quarterback.
27:34
Speaker 4: Is he marginally enough stronger? He was a quarterback in
27:37
Speaker 4: high school, so I think he's shown himself to be
27:40
Speaker 4: adept at taking the snap. That would be my biggest
27:43
Speaker 4: concern right after jump. Can he turn at some point
27:46
Speaker 4: and give a guy the ball off tackle or on
27:48
Speaker 4: a fly switches to cross it up. I'm sure he can.
27:52
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's been successful. So as a Seahawk fan,
27:56
Speaker 4: I hate the rule, But I don't know that he's
27:59
Speaker 4: been stopped yet.
28:00
Speaker 2: Has he I don't remember him having been stopped.
28:02
Speaker 3: I don't have the stat in front of it.
28:04
Speaker 2: He certainly was successful two for two yesterday, but I
28:07
Speaker 2: don't remember him having been stopped on that play.
28:10
Speaker 6: Now. Now, the thing that bugs me about it, another
28:12
Speaker 6: thing that because I'm a little bit on you side
28:14
Speaker 6: on this, is that oftentimes a penalty should be called. Yeah,
28:21
Speaker 6: and it's not, and all of a sudden, someone out
28:23
Speaker 6: of the blue will call it. But they should just
28:26
Speaker 6: about every single time someone is moving someone's off sides,
28:31
Speaker 6: it should be called.
28:32
Speaker 2: They're supposed to start cracking down on that. We'll see,
28:35
Speaker 2: I mean tonight, Monday night football against the team that
28:37
Speaker 2: wanted it banned. We'll see if the officials call it tighter.
28:40
Speaker 6: Water is that game in Green Bay? Yes, twenty four degrees?
28:44
Speaker 6: I know how you missed those. Well, my daughter, who's
28:46
Speaker 6: the doctor, and she lives in Chicago. She sent me
28:48
Speaker 6: a picture of last night. Her backyard has a couple
28:53
Speaker 6: of lounge chairs. There was a foot of snow, a
28:57
Speaker 6: foot of snow on the lounge chairs. So have fun,
29:01
Speaker 6: have fun, Green Bay, and have fun you.
29:05
Speaker 4: And nobody in the lounds here.
29:07
Speaker 2: No, sure, you don't want a frozen mustache again? Come
29:10
Speaker 2: on now, just for old time's sake. Yeah, all right,
29:14
Speaker 2: One final segment, One last thing, next on Sports Radio
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29:32
Speaker 2: got to every one last thing. I do have some
29:33
Speaker 2: breaking news. The Giants have fired head coach Brian Dable.
29:37
Speaker 2: Very interesting. I mean, why they didn't do this in
29:40
Speaker 2: the offseason. And then Jackson Darts having a really good
29:43
Speaker 2: rookie year under him. He's supposed to be a quarterback guy,
29:46
Speaker 2: and yet he's had four concussions already this year. So
29:49
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're blaming him for that. I
29:51
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on, but Brian Dable is out as.
29:54
Speaker 3: Head coach of the New York Giants. Yeah.
29:57
Speaker 6: I thought maybe that would have happened during the off season. Yeah, but.
30:02
Speaker 1: No.
30:03
Speaker 6: I think it's surprising though, because John Marra, who I know,
30:07
Speaker 6: who owns the Giants, he doesn't usually do things like that.
30:12
Speaker 6: He'll wait. If he's gonna do it, he'll wait. And
30:16
Speaker 6: but yeah, I could you can kind of see it coming.
30:19
Speaker 6: Here's a big fan of Brian Dable really is really
30:21
Speaker 6: enjoying them.
30:24
Speaker 4: Well, he had that night when the Seahawks were playing them.
30:28
Speaker 4: Do you remember Dan Jones had I think eleven sacks
30:31
Speaker 4: in that game, and at one point, Dabell comes over
30:35
Speaker 4: and finally Daniel Jones. I don't know if he threw
30:38
Speaker 4: an interception or he did something bad. And dabel comes
30:40
Speaker 4: over and he's standing there looking at at his Microsoft
30:44
Speaker 4: surface and he's got this disgusted look on his face,
30:48
Speaker 4: and right in front of Daniel Jones, he just Frisbee's
30:51
Speaker 4: Microsoft surface like I'm so disgusted, and you know, and
30:55
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones just hey, chin up, eyes up, chest up,
30:58
Speaker 4: like didn't didn't phase him. And look, I absolutely think,
31:02
Speaker 4: Mike that the order is My dad was in the army,
31:05
Speaker 4: Like there's a there. You have the chain of command there.
31:08
Speaker 4: The coaches are up here and the players are down here.
31:10
Speaker 4: I absolutely believe in that. So so uh, you know,
31:14
Speaker 4: the players you just do what you're told.
31:17
Speaker 3: But I don't.
31:19
Speaker 4: I think it's really weak of a head coach in
31:23
Speaker 4: that manner when his quarterback is getting the ever loving
31:27
Speaker 4: crap beat out of him, in large part because of
31:29
Speaker 4: his lousy schemes, I might add, and that he's going
31:33
Speaker 4: to show up like if if a quarterback did that
31:35
Speaker 4: to a coach, it would make national news. And I
31:38
Speaker 4: don't think a quarterback or any players ever should, But
31:42
Speaker 4: I also think what Dabo did on that occasion, and
31:45
Speaker 4: it was on was it Monday Night Football or Sunday
31:47
Speaker 4: Night Football, But but he showed up his quarterback and
31:50
Speaker 4: national TV when his quarterback was getting the crap beat
31:52
Speaker 4: out of him, and that that was the final nail
31:55
Speaker 4: for me as a fan on Brian Dabo. What's your
31:58
Speaker 4: thoughts on how that transpired?
32:00
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would, you know, I'm against that. I I
32:04
Speaker 6: talked all the time about coming from mutual respect. I mean,
32:07
Speaker 6: you can get mad, but get you can not do that.
32:10
Speaker 6: And plus he's the leader his teammates. I'll see him
32:13
Speaker 6: see that happen. It's not good. It's not good. And
32:16
Speaker 6: you know what, when I was in Cleveland, Brian was
32:18
Speaker 6: there and it was the offensive coordinator and we had
32:22
Speaker 6: Colt McCoy as a rookie and then our number one
32:24
Speaker 6: quarterback got hurt, so Colt had to play. And what
32:27
Speaker 6: Brian did to him during practice, I go and I
32:31
Speaker 6: had to go in a couple of times and I'd say, hey,
32:34
Speaker 6: you're you're not helping, You're you're you're this guy's a
32:38
Speaker 6: young rookie. You got to you know, you know, so
32:43
Speaker 6: you know, he had a little bit of a temper,
32:45
Speaker 6: and I think, yeah, you can't treat your quarterback that way.
32:48
Speaker 3: You can't.
32:48
Speaker 2: All right, we got to rifle through this one last
32:50
Speaker 2: thing for coach Bucky Well.
32:53
Speaker 5: I mean there's seven one, seven of the last eight.
32:56
Speaker 5: Robbie obviously rolling right now first place and got the
33:00
Speaker 5: biggest game coming up against the Rams. How do you
33:03
Speaker 5: just kind of get these guys to make sure. I
33:04
Speaker 5: don't think they should have an issue getting focused for
33:07
Speaker 5: first place in the division. But it's like when things
33:09
Speaker 5: are going well. We watched the Buffalo Bills, for example,
33:12
Speaker 5: just lay an egg against Miami yesterday. It's like, to me,
33:16
Speaker 5: it gives credence to good coaching, good leadership inside the
33:20
Speaker 5: locker room of how do you get your guys to
33:22
Speaker 5: stay focused on the task at hand when things are
33:24
Speaker 5: going well and don't get complacent.
33:26
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Mike McDonald will will approach it the
33:29
Speaker 6: same way he always does, but he'll interject little little
33:33
Speaker 6: things during the week to emphasize, you know, this game
33:38
Speaker 6: now is this is different. This is the two teams
33:41
Speaker 6: that are tied. This could set the tone for the
33:44
Speaker 6: rest of the season. So you got to do something
33:48
Speaker 6: and the player, you're right, buck. The players do know,
33:50
Speaker 6: but then you poke them a little bit and you
33:52
Speaker 6: make sure that they it's they're right up there.
33:55
Speaker 3: As a how are they gonna play here? Uh? Yeah.
33:59
Speaker 4: While we were talking about Sam Donald and the and
34:01
Speaker 4: the turnovers, Mike, let's let's go back to that interception
34:04
Speaker 4: off the two yard line, off the helmet. And it's
34:08
Speaker 4: my experience that in a quarterback meeting room, if you
34:13
Speaker 4: think if the coach thinks the quarterback made a mistake,
34:16
Speaker 4: then quarterbacks say, fine, I'm a big boy, tell me
34:19
Speaker 4: it's all my fault. I'm just tell me what I
34:21
Speaker 4: should have done different. And on that play, it's play
34:24
Speaker 4: action and you watch the end zone copy. Sam Donald
34:28
Speaker 4: does not take a hitch step is his footwork is perfect.
34:32
Speaker 4: You can see it's wide open. He's hitting a little
34:35
Speaker 4: glance route. Mike, inside, it's gonna be wide open. It's
34:38
Speaker 4: gonna be a completion. The problem is that it's a
34:40
Speaker 4: five down line and instead of going five down because
34:43
Speaker 4: they're play action, you got AJ Barner who's in an
34:47
Speaker 4: off position. Guys, so the sea gap is going to
34:51
Speaker 4: open up when the right tackle blocks down in towards
34:54
Speaker 4: the ball, and AJ Barner just allowed the linebacker to
34:57
Speaker 4: cross his face and he got blown up. The NFL
35:00
Speaker 4: calculated at two point one seconds the ball was gone
35:04
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, it ends up going off of
35:07
Speaker 4: Barnard's helmet because he got stoned all the way to
35:11
Speaker 4: the back. That's a that's a double minus f by
35:14
Speaker 4: the tight end. It's a tough block because sometimes the
35:18
Speaker 4: tackle fan out in a five down. But but but
35:21
Speaker 4: it's certainly I would have zero fault on the quarterback.
35:24
Speaker 4: And I mean zero. Do you see it any differently.
35:27
Speaker 6: No, And it reminds me not at all. It reminds
35:30
Speaker 6: me when I was at SC and I went into
35:32
Speaker 6: the game, you know, and O. J. Simpson was the
35:34
Speaker 6: running back, and we ran a little half back option play.
35:37
Speaker 6: I can complete that in my sleep, you know. And
35:40
Speaker 6: so I dropped back throw the ball. He falls down.
35:44
Speaker 6: He slipped and fell. So the linebacker, linebacker from Washington,
35:48
Speaker 6: receps the ball. I had to make my one tackle
35:50
Speaker 6: in college. I tackled him. I thought, oh, but that
35:53
Speaker 6: wasn't my fault. Yet I got yellow. Yet I got
35:57
Speaker 6: yelled out.
35:57
Speaker 4: You know, like I made many many more tackles than you.
36:03
Speaker 4: I've got you in the tackle.
36:04
Speaker 6: Departments and I grew up together in San Francisco.
36:06
Speaker 3: It was his fault, all right. I want to close
36:11
Speaker 3: with this.
36:11
Speaker 2: I do want to get it in. Paul Tagliabu, Lenny
36:15
Speaker 2: Wilkins passed over the week, and any thoughts.
36:18
Speaker 6: Yeah, I had both of those men. I had the
36:20
Speaker 6: privilege of knowing them and doing some things with him,
36:23
Speaker 6: Lenny in Seattle and raising money and things like that.
36:27
Speaker 6: And Paul was the commissioner when I was with the
36:29
Speaker 6: Packers and so on, and he did some great things
36:33
Speaker 6: for me, you know, and and saved me some money
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Speaker 6: because I was going to be fined for what I
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Speaker 6: said about Pittsburgh or the Super Bowl, criticizing officials, and
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Speaker 6: all the people in the New York office ran into
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Speaker 6: his office and said, you got you can't let him
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Speaker 6: get away with that. You got to find him. And
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Speaker 6: the fine would have been two hundred and fifty large,
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Speaker 6: and it was kind of it was kind of thrown
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Speaker 6: out there. And then at the league meetings he came
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Speaker 6: up and in the front of everybody, he said, I'm
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Speaker 6: not gonna I can't do that, you know. Uh, he's
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Speaker 6: been and he said some nice things about what I'd
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Speaker 6: done in the league and and Uh, I'm always thank
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Speaker 6: him for that. He was a good guy, smart and
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Speaker 6: did a lot for the league. Yeah, league really grew
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Speaker 6: with him at the Helm, There's no question about it.
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Speaker 6: Uh so yeah. So anyway, so uh Paul Tagley Boo.
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Speaker 3: Passed yesterday, but uh yeah he did.
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Speaker 2: And the officials didn't do anything wrong that day, by
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Speaker 2: the way, did they?
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Speaker 3: Is anyone listening or find my mic on? Is it on?
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Speaker 3: Is it on?
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Speaker 6: I'll just tell you and you and.
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Speaker 2: He really covered for you because they did a fine.
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Speaker 6: Oh they were great. That was the greatest game. You
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Speaker 6: google that game online. They say it was the greatest
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Speaker 6: game ever officiated.
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Speaker 3: Nod.
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Speaker 2: All right, gentlemen. Awesome stuff. Thank you very much.
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Speaker 3: We appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.
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