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What Jaguars' Free Agent Moves Mean for Roster Building | Jaguars Happy Hour · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Thursday, March twenty eighth. This is Jackuise Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 2: J P. Check. We are back at Jaguars Happy Hour
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  Speaker 2: on this Thursday, March twenty eighth, Busy hour ahead NFL
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  Speaker 2: Annual Meeting Review. It was earlier this week down in Orlando.
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  Speaker 2: The head coach spoke at the breakfast media availability earlier
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to that one month away from the NFL Draft.
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars YouTube JP Shadwick with Jeff Logman at long last,
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  Speaker 2: the band is back together. Holy cowhere you been elsewhere?
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  Speaker 2: How are you? I'm good man. It's good to see
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  Speaker 2: your face again.
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  Speaker 3: Good to be here talking about free agency and also
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  Speaker 3: looking forward to the draft in a big way.
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  Speaker 2: Good A lot going on right the Jaguar busy and
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  Speaker 2: free agency. And I think the last.
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  Speaker 3: Time that we talked, and I don't even think we
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  Speaker 3: were on the air, then everybody was very down about
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  Speaker 3: this team, just because they had just completed what I
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  Speaker 3: call the subtraction era, which always happens at the beginning
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  Speaker 3: of the off season before you start free agency, and
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  Speaker 3: yet they hadn't yet started any additions, and so a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people were down on this football team.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what are we doing. You know, we're losing Calvin Ridley,
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  Speaker 2: let him go. Wait a minute, you know, free.
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  Speaker 3: Agency hadn't even started yet. Have some patients. This team's
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  Speaker 3: gonna add some good players, and they did. I think
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  Speaker 3: they've added some very good players. Well get to some
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  Speaker 3: of those coming up in just a little bit. Also,
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  Speaker 3: a former Jaguars executive gets a nod from the Pro
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  Speaker 3: Football Hall of Fame. Rule changes from the owners' meetings
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  Speaker 3: this week, some key ones that I'm sure you'll have
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  Speaker 3: some thoughts about as a defender in your past, and
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  Speaker 3: of course those social media questions coming up. Let's hear
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  Speaker 3: though from the head coach, Doug Peterson at the AFC
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  Speaker 3: Coaches Breakfast earlier this week at the Ritz Carlton Grand
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  Speaker 3: Lakes in Orlando. And with all these players brought in
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  Speaker 3: a lot of players with postseason experience, something important to
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  Speaker 3: the head coach to establish a culture.
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  Speaker 4: This is the culture that I want to establish in Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 4: And this is the reason why you go get guys
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  Speaker 4: like Mitch Morse and Eric Armstead's and the Darnell Savages
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  Speaker 4: and guys that have been to the postseason. These guys
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  Speaker 4: have been captains on their teams. You know, they've been
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  Speaker 4: to Super Bowls, They've been to AFC.
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  Speaker 2: Championship games, you know. So these guys know how to win.
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  Speaker 4: And that's that's kind of the influx of talent that
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  Speaker 4: we want to bring on to this our young roster.
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  Speaker 4: Guys that have been there, done that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, been there, done that. They know how to win,
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  Speaker 2: they know how to get to the playoffs, and once
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  Speaker 2: they're in the playoffs, then that takes care of itself.
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  Speaker 2: And they didn't get to the playoffs last year, so
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  Speaker 2: having that experience down the stretch is something that they
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  Speaker 2: were looking for. Apparently, Well, I like what they've done,
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  Speaker 2: because you're talking about veteran players, and I think the
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  Speaker 2: only player that might be borderline getting up in years
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  Speaker 2: is Eric Armstead. But he's still a quality player. Horses
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  Speaker 2: up there as well, horses up there to a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: but he's a different category because you know, an offensive
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  Speaker 2: lineman has a longer lifespan or longer shelf life than
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  Speaker 2: a defensive lineman have. So I'm not concerned about that.
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  Speaker 2: Eric Armstead, I think, is going to have some kind
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  Speaker 2: of surgery to correct some issue that was bothering him
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  Speaker 2: from last year. He's missed some games, but when you
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  Speaker 2: watch the length and the strength that he plays the
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  Speaker 2: game at and the anticipation, I really like him for
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  Speaker 2: this football team. And you know, in a perfect world,
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  Speaker 2: you like to have Eric Armstead as a rookie, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and you're you're gonna have a decade with a player
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  Speaker 2: like that. And so that's why a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: ask me, what would this team draft? What do you
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  Speaker 2: think they're going to draft.
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  Speaker 3: I think some of the obvious answers are wide receiver
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  Speaker 3: and corner, but I don't think anything's off the table.
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  Speaker 3: I think even a defensive tackle could be a possibility
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  Speaker 3: at number one for this football team just because I mean, look,
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  Speaker 3: have you ever had too many good big men?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's hard to find him.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, let's go ask the Philadelphia Eagles if they
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  Speaker 3: would not draft a defensive tackle in the first round.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean, log, they've spent so much equity on
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  Speaker 3: the defensive line draft equity, free agency dollars over the
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  Speaker 3: last what five years? Right, that shows you what the
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  Speaker 3: how valued that those positions are.
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  Speaker 2: At some point the investments you've made need to go
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  Speaker 2: get better themselves. And you got some other position groups
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  Speaker 2: on this team too well. I think part of the problem.
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  Speaker 3: Is that is that you have invested in that position
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  Speaker 3: in years past with draft picks, but some of them
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  Speaker 3: haven't helped you pay the bills, so to speak. Look,
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  Speaker 3: you missed with calevon Chase on Smoots just kind of
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  Speaker 3: was an okay player and then he had a significant
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  Speaker 3: injury which impacted his ability to help this football team.
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  Speaker 3: So you haven't been able to hit any home runs
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  Speaker 3: at that position, and it's one of the reasons why
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  Speaker 3: you've had to go to free agency to supplement the
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  Speaker 3: talent at that position. One of the guys that you
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  Speaker 3: were excited about big to Don Hamilton last year was
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  Speaker 3: a guy you know, you give him an extension and
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  Speaker 3: you think that he's going to be a centerpiece, one
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  Speaker 3: of those guys that you draft and you give a
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  Speaker 3: second contract tool. Then he got hurt last year and
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  Speaker 3: that impacted his ability to help this football team. So, uh,
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  Speaker 3: part of that JP is that this team has had
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  Speaker 3: some self inflicted wounds that they haven't done a good
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  Speaker 3: enough job drafting, and they've had to expend some free
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  Speaker 3: agent resources at that position. But you know, you got
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  Speaker 3: to keep swinging because that's an important position.
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  Speaker 2: But at some point the free agency train has to stop, right,
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  Speaker 2: You got to start getting your own guy in develop
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  Speaker 2: and then bring those guys back there like Josh Allen, Right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, give them a contract extension.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, maybe a year or two ago would have been nice.
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  Speaker 3: I think it would have been less expensive, But I
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  Speaker 3: mean then they could they have still until July fifteen.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that point the interior guys are all
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  Speaker 3: free agent or except Hamilton.
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  Speaker 2: He was a draft pick here, that's right. Roy Robertson,
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  Speaker 2: Harris fought a Coosi's gone now. So it's something they've
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  Speaker 2: just brought another free agent in Armstead. I mean that's
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  Speaker 2: tenth years free agent Photocosi. I mean, you know, you're
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  Speaker 2: talking double digits and salary. I think for a couple
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  Speaker 2: of years, and you really didn't get the production out
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  Speaker 2: of him, and some of that was due to injury
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  Speaker 2: or what have you. But those are the things that
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  Speaker 2: you'd like to You'd like to have players that are
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  Speaker 2: at what I call at the fixed income level, because
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  Speaker 2: that's what your draft picks are. Those are more affordable
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  Speaker 2: than somebody that you go out and free agency and acquire.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that this football team could draft anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Just because they went and got Eric Armstead, or they
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  Speaker 2: went and got you know, for example, Darnell Savage safety,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't prohibit them from drafting a safety, or doesn't prohibit
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  Speaker 2: them from drafting the defensive tackle. Once we get to
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  Speaker 2: April twenty fifth, I believe that day is the general consensus.
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  Speaker 2: And a lot of these mock drafts is cornerback. Let's
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  Speaker 2: hear Doug Peterson on the status of the cornerback room
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  Speaker 2: as it stands right now. I feel good, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I do feel good.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Ronald Darby who we had in Philly and
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  Speaker 4: added that piece obviously, and with Tyson back there, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, now with Darnell adding that mix, we got
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  Speaker 4: as we mentioned Antonio, and you know, we say we
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  Speaker 4: got some young players that have played in you know,
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  Speaker 4: Monterak and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, all right, so that's the status of the
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  Speaker 2: room now. And of course Tyson Campbell kind of leads
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  Speaker 2: the way on one side of this thing, and Okay,
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  Speaker 2: there's gonna gonna be some newer or younger faces in there,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of these mocks have at seventeen the
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars going at corner. You talk about too many big
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  Speaker 2: you can't have too many big men. You can't have
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  Speaker 2: too many cornerbacks in this game either. The way it's going, well,
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  Speaker 2: you got to think about it too.
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  Speaker 3: When you think about corner, I think about it from
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  Speaker 3: the standpoint of, okay, you're gonna play nickel and you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna play dot, and safeties are now becoming playing linebacker,
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  Speaker 3: and then you're playing more corners that are playing safety, right,
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  Speaker 3: that's right. It's not very often that you have a
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  Speaker 3: player with a unique ability like an Antonio Johnson who's
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  Speaker 3: a safety that has the ability to play corner most
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  Speaker 3: of the time.
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  Speaker 2: You're having a corner that has.
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  Speaker 3: The ability to move to safety because it's a little
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  Speaker 3: bit easier making that transition than vice versa. Because the
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  Speaker 3: skill set required to play corner, I think is a
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  Speaker 3: little bit higher than playing safety. I'm probably not in
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  Speaker 3: the same category as Doug and then I feel good
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  Speaker 3: about that room. Yet I think there's still gotta be
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  Speaker 3: some people that are brought in. You know, Darius Williams
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  Speaker 3: is gone. Yep, and I get it. There's there was
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  Speaker 3: a pretty high cap number, and not only do you
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  Speaker 3: have to manage the talent, but you got to manage
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  Speaker 3: the cap from a number standpoint. His number was pretty hot.
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  Speaker 3: He was a very good football player last year. I
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  Speaker 3: think it was a top ten corner in the league
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  Speaker 3: performance wise.
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  Speaker 2: Past his defense, he was great when the ball was
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  Speaker 2: in the air, and yeah, such, but the way they're
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  Speaker 2: going to play is different as well. Maybe, I mean maybe,
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  Speaker 2: but I mean good corners are good corners. I mean so.
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  Speaker 3: But the challenge is, Okay, now you've got to find
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  Speaker 3: somebody that can take that spot.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, did Darby Is he going to be that guy?
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  Speaker 2: You know? Can he help that position? Look?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I think that this football team
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  Speaker 3: is definitely going to be leaning towards the draft to
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  Speaker 3: help that position out and and wisely, so you know,
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  Speaker 3: this team has taken some shots at that position and
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  Speaker 3: they've done it later in the draft in years past
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  Speaker 3: that you know, in the fifth and the sixth round
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  Speaker 3: and the seventh round they've taken multiple in years we're
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  Speaker 3: at the seventh round, yes, and so I think now
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  Speaker 3: you've got to look at it, maybe doing it a
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  Speaker 3: little bit higher where the percentages of hitting are a
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  Speaker 3: little bit better. But but yeah, that's a tough position
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  Speaker 3: to find a guy that literally comes in in year
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  Speaker 3: one and just hits the ground and running. The guy
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  Speaker 3: in Houston, for example, the corner that was drafted, I
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  Speaker 3: think it was third overall, ahead of Sauce Gardner a
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  Speaker 3: couple of years ago, and my name Stingley.
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  Speaker 2: Stingley, Okay, he did not have a very good rookie year.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he was downright poor his first year in fact,
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  Speaker 2: I mean the Texans were widely criticized because he was
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  Speaker 2: not playing well. And of course the Jets hit a
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  Speaker 2: home running with Salt Gardner. And this past year Stingly
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  Speaker 2: had a little bit better of a year. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: He's still not in the same category of Salt Gardner.
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  Speaker 3: But it's not easy to get those guys in the
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  Speaker 3: first year that come out and they're really good. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: if you do find it, you've really found something, because
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to find that.
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars Happy Our attentionen XLAM, Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube
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  Speaker 2: JP Shadwick with Jeff Lagoman coming up, will discuss some
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  Speaker 2: rule changes out of the NFL annual meeting last week.
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  Speaker 2: Which pre agent player that has been signed? Are you
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  Speaker 2: most excited to see me the other co host of
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  Speaker 2: the room, Yeah, yes, you I want to get your.
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  Speaker 3: Thought on this too. But I mean, look, I'm kind
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  Speaker 3: of biased. I mean, I'm always excited to watch the
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  Speaker 3: big guys, you know, the defensive lineman. And Eric Armstead
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  Speaker 3: is such a unique guy and that he has the size,
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  Speaker 3: the length, the experience. A lot of folks kind of
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  Speaker 3: compared him to the Kalais signing some years back.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you hope. So, I mean that was a great result.
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  Speaker 3: Clayis, I think is the greatest free agent signing in
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  Speaker 3: Jaguars history.
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  Speaker 2: I'd agree with that anybody else. I mean, names that.
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  Speaker 3: You get through out there is to be to be
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  Speaker 3: in that Kalais Campbell category, and I mean, we'd have
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  Speaker 3: to think about it, but I mean it's a great question.
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  Speaker 3: Jimmy Smith was a different kind of free agent signing,
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  Speaker 3: right right right, I'm talking about an unrestricted restricted free
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  Speaker 3: agent to where you know you're competing with other teams.
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  Speaker 2: Guy, it would be hard. It'll be tough to be Kalayis.
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  Speaker 2: But the style of play, but I mean his right, No,
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  Speaker 2: his style is a little bit different, but the some
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  Speaker 2: of the measurables, the length, the strength are very similar.
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  Speaker 3: Eric is more of an inside player. Claius was more
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  Speaker 3: of an inside player three four defensive end kind of guy.
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  Speaker 3: Although I think that he was probably not exactly in
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  Speaker 3: the in the most optimum position for his talent level
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  Speaker 3: that he had, in the skill set that he had,
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  Speaker 3: and I think here you saw it a little bit more.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, we hope he's in that category of the
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  Speaker 3: Klay signing Becauseklayis again was the greatest free agent signing
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  Speaker 3: in Jaguars history. But I'm looking forward to watching Eric
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  Speaker 3: Harmstead and I'm curious to see what kind of role
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna have in this defense because we don't exactly
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  Speaker 3: know what this Jaguars defense is going to look like
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  Speaker 3: until it's rolled out in front of our eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I haven't had a chance to see any
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  Speaker 2: of that yet. I think for me, it's with all
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  Speaker 2: this focus on offense and the quarterback and changes at
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  Speaker 2: the wide receiver position, Gabe Davis, what does he really
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  Speaker 2: have to offer him? I mean, four years in the league,
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  Speaker 2: hasn't had monster numbers except for some big key moments,
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  Speaker 2: especially in the playoff games and times. Can he step
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  Speaker 2: in and provide some things down the middle of the
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  Speaker 2: field that they really haven't had a lot of over
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  Speaker 2: the last year or so. Last thing we could Me.
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  Speaker 3: And Kai had the discussion last week a little bit
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  Speaker 3: about Gabe Davis and just a quick little self plug
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  Speaker 3: here we're going to be doing, oh yeah, a Microsoft
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  Speaker 3: surface evaluation with Rrik Armstead also of Gave Davis and
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  Speaker 3: watching Gabe Davis, I remember the first thing that I
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  Speaker 3: looked at was his numbers, Okay, and you know, you
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  Speaker 3: see the targets, you see the catches, and then the
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  Speaker 3: thing that really jumped out at me at first was
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  Speaker 3: the yards per catch, which over the last two years,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he's caught fifty something balls or sixty balls or.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever it was.
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  Speaker 3: But he's averaged like seventeen yards of catch and he's
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  Speaker 3: been about seven or eight touchdowns every year, which is
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  Speaker 3: great numbers. And I made the statement last week that
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  Speaker 3: if I had the choice of having Calvin Ridley or
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  Speaker 3: Gabe Davis, I'm taking Gabe Davis with the roster that
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  Speaker 3: you have here because you have Christian Kirk and Calvin
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  Speaker 3: Ridley kind of having two similar skill sets. Gabe Davis
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  Speaker 3: gives you a skill set that's just different. Okay, he's big,
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  Speaker 3: he's a.
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  Speaker 2: Tall guy, and at first thought when you say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: seventeen yards to catch him, I think the guy's fast.
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  Speaker 2: So I've, of course one.
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  Speaker 3: Of the first things I google, you know, doing the
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  Speaker 3: deep die okay oh us using the Irvin Meyer term
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  Speaker 3: there to find out what his speed was, and coming
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  Speaker 3: out I think it was like a four or five
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  Speaker 3: to five guy. I mean, how does a four or
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  Speaker 3: five guy, four or five five guy average seventeen yards
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  Speaker 3: a catch? I mean, because you first thought is he
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  Speaker 3: must be fast. Well, he does it in other ways.
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  Speaker 3: He's smart, he's savvy, he's got the size. He does
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  Speaker 3: a great job of selling routes to create space down
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  Speaker 3: the field and credit to him.
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  Speaker 2: You know it'll help him too, is that you talked
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  Speaker 2: about his size and his toughness and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: That'll help probably in the run game too. You know,
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  Speaker 2: if you're running outside, you got that guy blocking out
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  Speaker 2: in front of you. That's a good addition.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the Jaguars already have I think some of the
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  Speaker 3: best blocking wide receivers, and then also I put Evan
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  Speaker 3: Ingram into that category because he's not one of those
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  Speaker 3: big tight ends, he's a space tight end. They are
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  Speaker 3: some of the best blocking consistently game in game out
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  Speaker 3: playing layout of guys that I've watched on film, and
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  Speaker 3: they take great pride in it. And so Gabe is
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  Speaker 3: in that category as well, and he's gonna fit right
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  Speaker 3: into that room because of that.
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  Speaker 2: Congratulations goes out to Dan Edwards, former Jaguars PR executive,
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  Speaker 2: also with the Steelers in his past, the Dolphins in
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  Speaker 2: his past, receiving an Award of Excellence from the Pro
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  Speaker 2: Football Hall of Fame. It was announced yesterday. He was
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  Speaker 2: a league office intern the same year as a young
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  Speaker 2: guy named Roger Goodell. Imagine that a year with the Dolphins,
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  Speaker 2: the year they went to the Super Bowl, and then
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  Speaker 2: under the Steelers. Came to the Jags in ninety four
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  Speaker 2: to lead the PR department, and he did so through
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  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty season. He is enjoying retirement, by the
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  Speaker 2: way it look. Congrats to Dan.
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  Speaker 3: One of the finest men that I have ever had
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  Speaker 3: the privilege of knowing. And then I can't say that
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  Speaker 3: any more strongly because I knew Dan when I came
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  Speaker 3: in here as a player and he was the head
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  Speaker 3: PR guy, and then obviously after my playing career ended,
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  Speaker 3: then it became he was my boss for many years
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  Speaker 3: because Dan was public relations but then also broadcasting department.
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  Speaker 3: He's responsible for me and you JP being in the
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  Speaker 3: seats that were in me here and a lot of
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  Speaker 3: other people that are in the Jaguars broadcasting department. And
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  Speaker 3: he's a great guy, a great guy, class, total class,
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  Speaker 3: and he has been one of the icons in the
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: National Football League for many years. There's not many people
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: that know the league history like Dan Edwards, and there's
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: not many people that know the league that don't know
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  Speaker 3: Dan Edwards because everybody knows Dan Edwards that have been
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  Speaker 3: around the National Football League for any period of time.
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  Speaker 3: And credit to the Pro Football Hall of Fame for
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: adding this a couple of years ago, honoring individuals it
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: might not be able to be voted in and get
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: a bust in camp. Yeah, because there's fifteen different people
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  Speaker 3: in all different walks of the league. There's an equipment manager,
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  Speaker 3: there are medical folks, there's I mean, there's all kind
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  Speaker 3: of it runs again.
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  Speaker 2: Assistant coach Money Kiffin has won this year as well.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think that that really this is this
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  Speaker 3: is I think one of the greatest things that the
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  Speaker 3: Pro Football Hall of Fame could do.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the crazy thing. You know, the Profile Football
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame is not owned by the National Football League.
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  Speaker 2: It's a completely separate entity. So it's not like the
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: National Football League is saying, hey, we want to throw
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  Speaker 2: some some praise towards Dan Edwards or Moni Kiffin or
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: or whoever. I mean, this is the Pro Football Hall
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  Speaker 2: of Fame themselves, recognizing people that have had a huge
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  Speaker 2: impact in the game that we all love so dearly.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's and that's a great thing, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: glad that they're doing this because it takes so many
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  Speaker 2: people besides the elite players and the elite coaches to
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  Speaker 2: make this league function at the level that it's at.
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  Speaker 2: And it takes a lot of people. So congratulations to
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  Speaker 2: Dan Edwards. We're on ten ten XL Jaguars dot Com,
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars YouTube. Yes, the price of his autograph, just want
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  Speaker 2: to got that right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I texted him earlier today and I started charging man.
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  Speaker 3: I said, what's the price for an autograph? Now clearly
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  Speaker 3: going up a little.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine the BUSSELLI Dan Edwards Combo football autograph.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's a collectors.
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  Speaker 3: I was actually talking with my wife earlier today and
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  Speaker 3: that had a conversation with Tom Kauughlin when had the
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  Speaker 3: j Von Wyengala here at the stadium and was talking
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  Speaker 3: to him about, you know, we need to get a
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  Speaker 3: breakfast club together to where you know, myself and Dan,
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  Speaker 3: you know Biselli, guys that played for the Jaguars in
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  Speaker 3: early days and even to now, and people.
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  Speaker 2: That worked for the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 3: Because look, there's a lot of people that have played
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: and or worked for and coached for the Jaguars that
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: have retired here or that have stayed here after their
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: time with the Jaguars ended, and a lot of coaches,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: a lot of former coaches have stayed in Jackson.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, that would be a heck of a breakfast club. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: kind of have a breakfast club to get together. You know,
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  Speaker 2: someone that's got to get up early, can't stay out
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  Speaker 2: too late anymore. JP.
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  Speaker 3: When you get older, you don't sleep as much. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: you'll figure that out.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, let's get to a couple of these rules changes
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  Speaker 2: that have come out of the league meetings this week,
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  Speaker 2: and let's start. You're a former defender, so I am
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  Speaker 2: so curious to hear your thoughts on this hip drop
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  Speaker 2: tackle only the swivel version of it being banned. You
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  Speaker 2: can drag a player from behind when he's falling, when
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  Speaker 2: you're falling, and that's what's still legal. The only tackle
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  Speaker 2: that is illegal now is where the player is lifting
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  Speaker 2: himself in the air and then falling on the legs.
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  Speaker 3: He swivels, it kind of turns his body to land
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  Speaker 3: on the lower body of the of the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Care there's been all this outrage on social media. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: they're banning tackling now, and let's put flags on everybody
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  Speaker 2: and all the what do you think. I'm okay with it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm okay with it because it it's trying to protect
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  Speaker 2: the players that carry the ball, which those are the
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  Speaker 2: players that sell the game, that make the game popular.
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  Speaker 3: And if it makes it a little bit harder on
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  Speaker 3: the defenders to find a different way to get them
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  Speaker 3: down or to corral them, then so be it. The
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  Speaker 3: league will adjust, the players will adjust. The first time
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  Speaker 3: I ever saw the hip drop.
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  Speaker 2: Tackle, and it wasn't even it didn't even have that
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  Speaker 2: name at that time, was going back into the I
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  Speaker 2: guess it was early mid nineties when I was with
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  Speaker 2: the Jets and we were getting ready to play the
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  Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles, who had Randall Cunningham, and we put a
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  Speaker 2: bounty and I believe this was ninety four, we put
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: a bounty on Randall Cunningham to take them out of
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  Speaker 2: the game. Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: And I want to say the pot was somewhere around
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, about three or four grand.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe ras right. I mean, the people have been like,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: you know, they look taking draft picks to fires. That
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  Speaker 2: stuff was widespread the league at this period of time. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: now that you know that stuff's not good. But and
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  Speaker 2: so Marvin Washington and and he didn't intentionally do this
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  Speaker 2: to hurt Randall cunning him. And when I when I
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  Speaker 2: say take him out of the game, we weren't trying
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  Speaker 2: to take him out of the game by breaking a
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  Speaker 2: leg or anything of that nature. You know, just a
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  Speaker 2: good solid legal hit.
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  Speaker 3: You know, hey, he's got to leave the game because
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  Speaker 3: he's he's hurt a little bit. But Marvin tackled Randall
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  Speaker 3: and then fell on his legs in that hip drop
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  Speaker 3: tackle style, and it broke Randall cunning in Ham's leg.
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  Speaker 3: And U Phil Marvin got a pretty good pot, I
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  Speaker 3: believe that week.
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  Speaker 2: But but I mean that's.
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  Speaker 3: The first time that I ever saw that style of
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  Speaker 3: tackle that had an injury impact on the player that
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  Speaker 3: was tackled. Now, I've never tackled anybody like that that
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  Speaker 3: I know of, because I wasn't. I didn't try to
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  Speaker 3: do that, and nobody that I know would do that
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  Speaker 3: to try to intention hurt somebody. Sometimes you're just trying
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  Speaker 3: to do anything you can to bring somebody down.
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  Speaker 2: Think about a defensive back and here's Derrick Henry coming
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  Speaker 2: at you. I mean, you're gonna go high on him.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like Derrick Henry is very difficult to hip
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  Speaker 2: drop tackle on because to do the hip drop tackle,
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  Speaker 2: you gotta come high and then kind of fall down
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  Speaker 2: on the legs. And nobody's going high on Derrick Henry,
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  Speaker 2: you know what. We were talking about this because he
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  Speaker 2: does that. We're talking about this with Bucky Brooks yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: It might cause at some point a rash in more
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  Speaker 2: knee injuries moving ahead, because some of those guys, those
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  Speaker 2: smaller guys might have to go low. Now, if you're
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  Speaker 2: running out of targets high on guys, you can't hip
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  Speaker 2: drop all this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look that's been happening anyway, because you know
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  Speaker 3: the where you're getting defenders that are trying to stay
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  Speaker 3: away from the head and neck area of receivers and
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  Speaker 3: ball carriers because of possible penalties or potentially even getting
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  Speaker 3: tossed out of the game if it's a repeat offense.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm not of the belief like Bucky that this
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  Speaker 3: is going to end up causing more knee injury.
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  Speaker 2: I think the.
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  Speaker 3: Rules that are already in place have already led to
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  Speaker 3: some knee injuries. But again I think that the league
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  Speaker 3: and the players will adjust like they have before with
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: different rule changs. Just like when you remember you talking
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  Speaker 3: about the offensive line rules about not cutting in a
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  Speaker 3: certain area, but saw he was losing his mind that
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  Speaker 3: this was going to be implemented to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Why can't you know?
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  Speaker 3: And again the offensive lineman adjusted and we forget about
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  Speaker 3: it that it was even an issue one play.
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  Speaker 2: I think that you might remember remember the playoff game
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  Speaker 2: against the Chiefs a couple of seasons ago when Patrick
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  Speaker 2: Mahomes arden Key fell on the back of his leg
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  Speaker 2: and that was a hip drop. That would have been
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: a hip drop because he was off the ground and
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  Speaker 2: he fell on that right leg and twisted up.
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  Speaker 3: That and gave him the high ankle injury and I've
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: read some of the comments from the league, and I
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: believe it was Troy Vincent talked about it, and he said,
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  Speaker 3: plain and simple, and he threw some numbers out there
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  Speaker 3: about the percentage increase in injury of a hip drop
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  Speaker 3: tackle compared to a regular tackle. And it was a
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  Speaker 3: little bit difficult to understand and decipher the percentages that
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: he threw out there. And I don't know if he
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  Speaker 3: got it completely right, but I understand it. I understood
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  Speaker 3: his intent that there's a much higher injury rate with
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  Speaker 3: that style of tackle versus anything else. And again, the
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  Speaker 3: league will adjust and it will go forward, and I
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: don't think it's that big of a deal at all.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: The major rule change is going to be the kickoff
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  Speaker 3: return thing.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get to that. There is a new kickoff rule.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, this is an XFL style. The kickers at
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  Speaker 2: the thirty five that's where the balls on the tee.
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  Speaker 2: The other ten players and the kicking team will line
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  Speaker 2: up the opposing team's forty yard line. The receiving team
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: will have at least nine players in a five yard
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  Speaker 2: setup zone that's between the thirty five and thirty. The
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  Speaker 2: returners are in a landing zone. And the red zone
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  Speaker 2: between the twenty and the goal line. Nobody can move
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  Speaker 2: until the ball is by our returner, and it's a
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  Speaker 2: touchback at the twenty. If it touches the ground or
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  Speaker 2: a player and the landing zone and goes past the
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  Speaker 2: goal line, it's down a touch back at the thirty
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: if the ball is kicked into the end zone. So
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  Speaker 2: they're encouraging more returns. I like the visual slide that
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: you have prepared here. That's second League. That's from the
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  Speaker 2: league Jackary not com David Choe in the background getting
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  Speaker 2: that done today. So it passed twenty nine to three,
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  Speaker 2: and this opens up obviously the return There were no
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  Speaker 2: returns at all in the Super Bowl. Thirteen kickoffs, zero returns.
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  Speaker 2: They want it back in the game. They want it
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  Speaker 2: as safe as possible. What do you like about this? Well,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I like it because it now makes another potentially exciting play.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: I think it will create more points. It also will
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: put a bit of a premium on special teams play,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: which has kind of fallen by the wayside a little bit,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: so it will make those players more important. Daniel Thomas, Yes,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Daniel Thomas now becomes more important to this Jaguars roster
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: because of a play that's now going to be changed,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: it's going to be a legitimate chance for the opponents
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  Speaker 3: to score on. So you better have some guys that
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: have a little bit of size, okay, and also a
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  Speaker 3: lot of speed to be able to play in some space.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: A lot of people think that now it's going to
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  Speaker 3: create more of a demand for linebackers. I'm not a
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: believer in that. The most popular special teams players over
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: the last decade in the NFL has evolved to the
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: safety type player, players that weigh in that two to
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: ten ish range two hundred and fifteen pound range, that
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: have got speed and the ability to run in space.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: If you're a Daniel Thomas guy, now you've become more important.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: I think you're going to have the payroll change a
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  Speaker 3: little bit because you're going to have to make sure
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  Speaker 3: that you have guys that can prepare for that very play.
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  Speaker 3: And Daniel Thomas, I think has been the jaguars best
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  Speaker 3: special teamer along with obviously Wingard, who has been a
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: tremendou player. And Daniel Thomas has got i think a
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  Speaker 3: really very special ability because he's an outstanding gunner who's
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: got the speed on the outside on punting, which makes
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: him very unique.
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  Speaker 2: You know where this can get interesting on the returns
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: is when these coordinators start scheming up returns and you
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: can start pulling guys and get lead blockers out in front.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: In theory, if you haven't planned that way, or maybe
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: throwing a lateral across the field, that's always the possibility
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: because you only have so if you're not gonna have,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: you know, layers of guys on one side of the
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: field coming after you in the corner, you're gonna you
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: get to the corner fast, there's three or four guys there,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: and you have an opportunity to take at the distance. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The one person that I'm gonna call on this to
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: get some commentary input on is from Darryl Johnson, who
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: was longtime Dallas Cowboy full back on Super Bowls with
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith. And Darryl's a good friend
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: of mine. Darryl and I came in the league together,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: and he was the previous head of I think believe
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: the XFL and was a big part of the league.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: He was in the USFL and the us is still
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: involved in the new merch He is involved.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: He's the kind of the head guy of USFL, so
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: he's been around that play a little bit longer. So
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to him at some point in
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: the next week and get his input and thoughts and
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: because it's going to be interesting.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: This is kind of new ground, but it's a little.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Bit of premium on a returner, the ability to have
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: players that can play special teams. But also where's the
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: creativity now gonna go? Because now you have a new play,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: a new play that you can tinker with. Okay, if
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: you're the mad scientist coach in the office this time
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: of year, you're now creating things. You're reading a rule
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: book to the full extent about what you can and
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: can't do. I'm sure they're going to be able to
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: maybe find some holes that maybe those holes will have
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: to get tweaked in the future, but it's something I'm
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: looking forward to. I'm glad that this play was instituted
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: along the lines of the hip drop tackle and that
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: you've now cut down on some potentially potentially violent collisions
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: that have been happening for years on kickoff coverage. The
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: speed of the collisions of that play over the years,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: I've seen some plays that will just make you make
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: you kind of hold your breath and hope that the
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: player that took the ended up receiving hit what was
• 32:20
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  Speaker 2: seventeen the year before he didn't he miss the Jaguars game,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: and uh oh yeah yeah Tottenham, Yeah yeah, no, no,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: he played members. If he missed that game, he was
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: in it. You know. Earlier in his career in Kansas City,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: though missed some significant time. It's a long time ago. Now,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Eric Armstead's coming off of meniscus injury and he still
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: came back and played through the playoffs to do that.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: They're free agent guys you come to plug and play now.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, if they're not around or available
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: a certain week, then what's the It's the same group
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: that you had without them, Right that everybody was so
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: concerned about the offensive line going into free agency. How
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: do you go about it if for some reason they
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: aren't available.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Well, first and foremost, this team's not done making additions
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: to this roster, so that that part is not complete.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: It won't be done either after the draft. There will
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: be a different class of players that you can sign
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: after the draft to supplement the depth that maybe you
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: couldn't address in the draft. So there's still time to
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: address those needs of all a sudden, Okay, Mitch morsemisses
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: some time.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, well who can step in? Okay?
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: What happens if Eric Armstead misses some time? Well, we're
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: gonna have hopefully some new, younger defensive tackle on the
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: roster from whether it be a draft choice or an
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: undrafted free agent, or a guy that was a more
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: affordable free agent option. So I don't worry about that.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: I think you also look a little bit at the
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: durability issues in the players past. For the most part,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: these players have been available. Now if you were thinking
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: about signing, for example, the tackle that the New York
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Jets signed from the Dallas Cowboys.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Oh Smith, Tyron Smith.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Tyron Smith, Now that would be kind of you know,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: the sirens would be going off and the flashing lights
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: would be going off a little bit there, because he
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: hasn't been available very much over the last couple of years.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: But the two players that were talking about, and Mitch
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Morris and Eric Armstead, they have for the most part
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: been out there. But there's always a risk associated with
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: any player, whether it's a year ten player or a
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: year four to five player. For example, Roy Robertson. Harris
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: for the most part, has been available to this football
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: team almost every game since the day that he was
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: signed as a free agent. Okay, you did good there, Well,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: you flip that around and you look at some of
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: the other players that you've acquired, and then the defensive
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: tackle that you just lost or let go of and
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: he went up signing. Patakasi wasn't available for a whole
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: lot of games, you know, but he was a young
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: player that had a lot of availability prior to signing him.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: So I mean, sometimes it's just the luck of the draw.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Sometimes age has something to do with it, but sometimes
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: it doesn't have anything to do with age at all.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: The thing though about this too is miss Morris's deal
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: is what two years? Eric Armstead reportedly two years? Eric
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Armstead's reportedly three years. Yes, so this.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: With their age in theory, you'll have to be doing
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: this kind of finding. You have to find these positions
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: again in a couple of years, right and as they're
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: going for it now, if they're bringing these guys into
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: play right now, and be it that this is not
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: quite an all in moment poker reference, but we're getting
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: darn close right well.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: And what you're trying to do is to supplement the
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: depth on your football team, and you'll continue to supplement
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: the depth on your football team. For example, you've got
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Luke Fortner, okay, at center. Now you've got Mitch Morse
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: also playing center. Okay, you kind of think, maybe, okay,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Mitch Morse is going to play in the immediate future,
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: and then Luke Fordner goes to be a backup. Maybe
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: a swing guy if he can earn that position. Does
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: that keep you from drafting a center If all of
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: a sudden you've got a player that's rated really well
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: on your draft board in round four, I wouldn't be
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: scared of doing that because the reality is is that
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: you have to continue to supplement your roster and hopefully,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: and maybe it's not round for it. Maybe you say, Okay,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: we can't find the value because we don't have that
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: kind of value on that position because we already have
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: two players. But and maybe round seven you would say,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: you know what, center, sure, and you might find a
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: guy in round seven is a tremendous center at some point.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: In the future that you develop.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: So you always are looking to try to make your
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: roster better. And I think you you put a higher
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: value on a position if it's something that you have
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: a position of need, but it doesn't preclude you from
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: drafting any position that you don't have a really a
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: need for. Maybe you just say, okay, well, like I
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: said later, in a draft, maybe you can find something
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: there just because the.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Player is too good to pass up.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: What if it's a linebacker like a corner corner, Obviously
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: I think the value is high in the early rounds
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: because you have a need.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: There. What if it's a linebacker. I mean they've drafted
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: how many linebackers the last two or three years around here? Well,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: and I'm okay with drafting a linebacker. Here's here's why. Uh.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Number one, you've got a very expensive starter, a veteran
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: player yep, okay, that you paid in free agency because
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: you weren't really drafting. Well, then you have two draft
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: picks okay that are not really draft picks anymore, but
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: they're you're young players and Devin Lloyd and.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Chad Muma.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so these are players that are younger. Well,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: you got this new kickoff rule. You're thinking also now
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: that linebackers are going to be a little bit. So
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: you're not going to say, well, we're not going to
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: draft a linebacker. You're still going to consider draft the
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: linebacker because your your best linebacker is an expensive option
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: and you're always trying to get high level of performance
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: with lesser amount of pay so you can use higher
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: pay for the holes that you weren't.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Able to fill. Well, I think we just kept it real.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I mean that's you kept it real.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, in the National Football League, and some people don't
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: like this. There's a lot of economic decisions.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: That have to be made because you have to manage
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: a roster, but you have to manage the roster within
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: the confines of the salary cap, and so you have
• 40:56
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• 41:44
  Speaker 2: it's the start of the off season program. Yes, it
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: is anything conditioning that's coming up, sure enough, so players
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: will be back around and here we go off season program.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: The off season has already started for most of the players.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: I mean they're doing it on their own wherever they are.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of players that go to which has
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: really been a dynamic that's changed through the years years ago,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: players once they left and went their own way, they
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: just work out at a local gym and get together
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: sometimes on their college campus.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: They'd maybe return there. But now you have all of
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: these elite performance training centers and people that have these
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: high level strength and conditioning coaches. I mean, and a
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: lot of players take maybe a few days off at
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: the conclusion of the season, then immediately become immersed in
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: this training program that starts for them somewhere else, and
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: then once they come back here, they've already been doing
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: that stuff for weeks or months, and now they're just
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: doing it with this team, with the team here at
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• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Or the MECH as it's called. Is it called the MECH?
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: The mech MEC right? Heard it? Me? See, I haven't
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: heard the MECH terminology yet. I mean, it's Miller elect Center.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: I know that. Yeah, the MAC. You're just starting that now,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I think, have you heard that? I don't know if
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I've heard that before or not, but it's to call
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: the maccent. Well, I know what, it's the Miller Electric Center,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: the MEC. I mean, it's sounds good. It's sure, the MAC.
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• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Logoman has just been retained as D line coach. What
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: specific techniques would he teach Trayvon Walker to improve his game?
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Well, and start with techniques, One of the things that
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: I think that Trayvon really has to learn is to
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: be able to get on the edges of offensive lineman
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: as a pass rusher, you know, because I think that's
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: really I wouldn't work so much on and you can
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: obviously with the run technique, but I think he's pretty
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: good against.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: The run already.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: But as a pass rusher, a lot of times he
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: wants to go down the middle of an offensive line.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Right by the number.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: He's giving the offensive lineman the handlebars, so to speak.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: And when you give an offensive lineman the handlebars, you
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: give them controls. When you get on their edges, become
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: a little bit more elusive or a little less.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Of a target. Then you can create some difficulty for
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: an offensive lineman. So, for example, JP, if I was
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: pass rushing you, I don't want to let you grab
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: a hold of my shirt right at my chest and
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: grab a hole.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: So I don't want to bull rush you or power
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: rush you all the time. If I end up bull
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: rushing you or power rushing you, I want to make
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: you think that I'm speed rushing you up the field
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: and then give you a little shake.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Now you're not sure what I'm doing. Now you're you're
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: a little bit lighter in your feet, and you're not
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: expecting power. So then I can bull rush you.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: But I think Trayvon a lot of times has a
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: tendency to go to the power right away, and he
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: needs to not go to the power. He needs to
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: work the edges a little bit more in the at
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: the beginning of his pass rush and then also his
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: get off. It's got to be better.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Dwight Freenie Hall of Famer. Sure, what's the one great
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: trait that Dwight Freeny had?
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: That first step?
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: The first step light Howie Long one of the greatest
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: defensive tackles to ever play the game, one of the
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: greatest announcers that I think has been in the studio.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Love how he how he had arguably the greatest first
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: step back at that stage of the NFL. When I
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: say that stage, he was one of the great pass
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: rushing defensive tackles who had an unbelievable first step. Studied snapcounts,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: studied cadences, studied the audible system of a quarterback, so
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: that he knew that, Okay, if the quarterback comes to
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, he goes all right.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Red thirty two, red thirty two, red, minute was on one?
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Why because think of red, white and blue. Red is one,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: white as two, blue is three. Or he would understand
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: that sometimes snapcounts Okay, okay, blue one twenty one, blue
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: one twenty one, and the ball snapped on two. What
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: does that tell you for the next time?
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, second number in the sequence when the quarterback gets
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: the live oft scrimmage tells you the snapcount. How he
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: was good at that. If Trayvon can get a little
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: bit more of that, he will be a better pass
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: rusher if he has a better get off and he's
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: working the edges of the offensive players with more frequency
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: than he has done.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Next question, at radius underscore Joe Hanson. It feels like
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: the Jags had good free agency addressing critical needs to
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: give themselves flexibility in the draft. So what do you
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: think are the most important position groups to address in
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: the first three rounds? Jeff Logoman.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: Well, and I think it's a great question there from radius, Yeah, okay, radius, Sure,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: I think it's a great question, and it's a great
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: observation that they have filled some hole. And I think
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: that that's the most important thing to do in free
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: agency prior to the draft, so that you can draft
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: the best available player. But there again, you still have
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: a little bit more value at certain position because you
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: maybe not have quite as much depth, and also position
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: to have more value based on for example, like corner
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: has more value than safety in my book, just because
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: it's more of a premium position, so you have a
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: little bit more value there.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: So I love that. I love that. Okay, fill the holes.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Now you draft best available, best of ailable players. And
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: what position do I think first three round? I think
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: corner is always going to be there, wide receiver is
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: always going to be there, and then pass rusher is
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: always going to be there as well. And take your
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: pick whether it be a defensive tackle or an edge player,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: because I think you got some flexibility with Trayvon to
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: move them inside or outside, and also moving Josh inside occasionally,
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: because we saw Josh and Trayvon get sacked from the
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: three techniques this year, this past year. One more question
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: at Waco, Gerina, Jeff, in your opinion, who would play
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Sam linebacker and what would be your ideal pass rush
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: combo hashtag DTWD. So, yes, give us your give us
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: your front four in a pass rushing situation. Well, wait
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: a minute, now, the Sam stuff too. The Sam linebacker
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: is I mean, you're talking about a position because typically
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: when you go to Nickel or Sam comes out correct.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: So it's a position that only has about thirty percent
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: of the defensive snaps overall. That's not a time position.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I think you've got. Chad Muma can play Sam, Devin
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Lloyd can play Sam. When you have three linebackers on
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: the field, you're perfect four down combination obviously Josh and Eric.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: And then Trayvon.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: And right now you've got to find the fourth, and
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: right now, I don't think you have a clear cut
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: fourth if I had to pick one right now. Roy
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Robertson Harris just because he came off of last year healthy. Now,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: before Devon Hambleton got hurt, Devon Hamilton was the most
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: impressive interior pass thrusher that this team had, who is
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: a true defensive tackle. But after the injury last year,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: you know, he's got to kind of get back to
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: where he was at. But right now I would probably
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: choose Big Roy. How do you think, what would you
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: put out.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: That seems right? But those are yeah. I mean you
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: start moving guys around though, you start moving Josh Allen
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: in or Trayvon inside, then you gotta have some outside guys.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: This is where, you know.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: This is where Also why I said that pass rusher
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: is a consideration in the first three rounds because perfect example,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: you can't have too many good pass rushers. I don't
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: care if it's defensive tackle or defensive end edge, whatever
• 50:18
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• 50:20
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• 50:24
  Speaker 3: the scenes, Jeff Loghman and J. P.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Shadwick. Good to see you. We'll do it again next week.
• 50:28
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