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Travelling At Warp Speed With SAM TOTMAN From DRAGONFORCE · HEAVY Music Interviews

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All right, hey, Sam here from Dragon Force, your favorite power metal
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band, looking more handsome than I usually do because of the new zoom settings.
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So there you go. Yeah, we got a new album coming out
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called Warp Speed Warriors, because that's what we are. We're warriors that go
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at warp speed. And it's coming out pretty soon. I think it's thirty
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first to March. You might have to correct me on that quest. You
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probably know more than I've got fifteenth March. Yeah, all right, well,
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show as much I do. Spent four years working on it and I
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don't even know the release date. Thanks for joining us, Sam. Ye,
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yep, no worries anytime. I think the filter you're talking about,
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it's just it's called a beanie, mate, It's a beanie. Yeah.
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Yeah, Well, I hope you didn't notice that I brushed the rest of
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my hair especially for you. Oh I did like the last three strains you've
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got left over. I like it, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I
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better have three than none shape for you. Even then, I thought,
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oh fuck that, Well, that's the thing everyone always says to me,
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why don't you just cut it off? And I'm like, well, I
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think I look better with a beanie and some hair than no beanie and no
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hair, so I'll keep it, thank you very much. You look like
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a full criminal with a beanie with hair with a beanie, No, you
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look like a half try had criminals, So keep the full one going.
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Yeah, yeah, there you go. I'm an out of date. I'm
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a two thousand and six metal core musician. Jesus. We'll move on from
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that one real quick. So Dragon Force releasing your album Warp Speed Warriors on
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March fifteenth. Bro, So, how you feel about it? Great?
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Actually, yeah, I really like it. It's funny because I mean like
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it every band always says, oh, we're just so happy to finish it
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because we went working on it for ages. But it was definitely the case.
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I mean, but I started doing working on that right when Lockdown started,
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which is a long time ago. I think it was like two thousand
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and February twenty twenty. Is that when everyone kind of went home and yeah,
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so yeah, well you're anyways, But yeah, I mean, because
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we had so much time to work on it, I just sort of worked
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on it very slowly, and in the end, unfortunately, I ended up
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getting a bit sick of all I just heard it to death, and I
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could never I never got an end to it because I was just like,
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oh, I can improve this one and improve that one, and so I
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just carried on like never, never stopping because normally it's good to have a
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deadline and you finish your album and you go, right, that's that.
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That's what it is. But I had so much time to keep improving things
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and whatever, which was as nice as well, but it was also kind
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of a pain in the ass. So now that it's finished, I haven't
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I haven't listened to it for like the last few months, and then I
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put it The other day when the first Astro Warriors Anthemus song came out of
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the day and I saw the video, I was like, oh, I
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can finally actually enjoy this song for what it is instead of going, oh
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it was a little bit there. I want to change, but they I
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want to change, And actually that chorus of that song was different. It's
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a bit of a nerdy musician's backs for you, but yeah, I changed
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the chorus of that like probably only two months before the end, before we
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finished the album, and before that it was a different course which I didn't
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think was as good, and it was just annoying me for like three years.
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It's almost amazing, but not quite. And I was like, you
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know what, I'm just having to get to Bennett and start again. I
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kept trying to adjust it and and but yeah, in the end it turned
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out good. So long way long answers to say that, yes, I
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do like our album and it's more heavy and more melodic than all the other
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ones. Yeah, that line, it's actually like I'd love to say one
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day, it's actually lighter and less melodic, but that's not really true.
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True, So along those lines making you dive a bit deeper into it musically
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for us and what you're going for, Like, is it what bands that
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expect from Dragon Force? Yeah, for sure. And I think, well,
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we released the first two songs, Power of the Try Force, which
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is like songs are about Zelda and stuff because we all like that game.
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And then we released Doomsday Party, which you'll come there. Both a little
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bit different for us. And but you know it's like people, we had
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a few people get, oh, well, that doesn't sound like Dragon Force,
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but it's like if we release another two hundred bpm song, which is
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that kind of standard Dragon Force style, everyone goes on the same as the
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anything else, so you honestly can't win. But I mean means how much
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you care about people's reading comments on YouTube. I mean I still read them
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because you want to boost your ego and feel good that you Not everyone,
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but everyone does. Anyone that says they don't read them full of shit,
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So but yeah, it's it's definitely. I think it's like with all our
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albums, we always try and just keep keep our same style because obviously we
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actually like playing that style as the main reason. I mean, I still
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love playing fast two hundred bpm Power Medal even after twenty years. I'm still
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like my favorite kind of music. And then and we'll try and check a
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few other things and just to not be you know, our first two albums,
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every single song was fast. But at that point I had never written
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fast Power Medal song before, so I had a million ideas and I wanted
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them to be fast. So you know, now twenty years later, I
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don't mind throwing in a mid tempost song like Power, the Triy Force or
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the Dooms They Party. We got one other slower one, which is but
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they're still heavy. So it's just like all about keeping ourselves happy, which
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was at the end of the day the reason you do music. And also,
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but you do want to keep your fan base in mind too. I
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mean, if I wanted to go and do a jazz project or something,
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I wouldn't force it into dragon force, so I'd just go and do that
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on something on the side. So you know, I think, I think
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we like it, and I think bands should like it too, And if
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they don't, well they can isn't it something else? Chumping off subject?
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But they don't know again if they don't, If they don't like it,
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we're very sorry. But we tried our best to keep your mind happy.
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And if you're still not happy and well, you can go to something else.
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Jump it off subject for a bit, mate. If you did start
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a jazz side band, what would you call it? Well, to be
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fair, jazz is one of my least favorite sorts of music, so probably
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more chance to me starting a barbershop quartet than that. Now, the press
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release calls Warp Speed Warriors your most ambitious and innovative full length so far.
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Would do you agree with that? Yeah? Of course, because you have
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to agree with your press release. I didn't write it. Yeah, No,
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Well, I mean we tried. I honestly think when people say what's
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your favorite album, man, I like them more equally because at the time
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we released them, that was the absolute yes we could do and that's the
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same with this one. So I mean, there's definitely but I really think
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that that all. I mean. Obviously you can't say, well, it's
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our second most innovative or so, but I just think that, like every
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album we've always, like I said in that previous answer, we were trying
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people the original things that people like about Draion Force and what we like about
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it, and bringing a bunch of new stuff too, which is what we've
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done here as well. So there's definitely stuff we've never done before, which
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is I think if you don't at least do some things you've never done before,
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then it's kind of boring. So yes, I fully agree with our
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press release, I could still elaborate on that a bit more. For us,
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through the things that you've never done before, what are they m I
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mean, it can be really simple stuff like for example, Power of the
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Try Force. It's a two hundred bpm song with a four to four drum
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beat, which is something we've never done before. But say that simple thing
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it dictates how the rest of the song is going to sound. So we
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haven't got any songs at that. The first thing I always do when I'm
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trying to write a song, I actually decide on the drum beat before anything
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else because that obviously makes a huge difference to how the song's going to sound
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overall. So and that was so even something that sounds like, oh,
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we did a new drum beat, which is like the most four to four
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drum beat, which is the most standard, unoriginal drum beat in music.
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But it's also something we've never done before, so you know, and now
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we've got a song that sounds quite different to all the others. So things
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like that, you know. I mean, when it comes to you know,
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lead guitars and solos, I'm always trying to like just do a few
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new licks or something they haven't done in the past. Same with her,
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and I know he's doing the same thing, just to keep it interesting.
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And you can play your own you know, we've been playing a long time,
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so it's quite easy to just you've got your kind of bag full of
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tricks that you can use. But it's good to just to always try and
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learn some new ones and change it around a bit so so that stuff too.
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There's I think like middle sections of songs as that's where we sort of
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try and experiment more so. I know, for example, any middle section
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of any song. You might find something in the middle of Vestro Wor's anthem,
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for example, there's a kind of I can't want to sting it to
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you, but yeah, it's like a middle section and a different sort of
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tempo, a bit of different, feels like a bit less, it's a
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bit more chromatic sounding, if that makes sense, and then it kind of
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goes into yeah, I don't know, you've got to listen to It's hard
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to explain music in words now. Looking through the film, it's like they
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seem to have a massive sci fi element to them, So is what Speed
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Warrior is a sci fi concept album? I wouldn't say it's a concept album.
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It's more in the same way. I was thinking about this actually too,
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because I thought, well, I mean, everything on there we like,
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but I thought, well, when you think about I had made it
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in Power Slave, for example, you think, God, it's an Egyptian
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themed album, but it's actually not. The songs about World War two,
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the song's about like, what's the one about the sword fighting, the duellist
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or whatever. So actually, if you think about it, and then there's
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two Minutes to Midnight. And actually, even though that cover art makes you
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think it's an Egyptian concept and there you know, Live After Death Tour was
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that too. Actually, all the songs on the album are quite different and
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about different topics, and I think that's kind of what we wanted to go
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for with this. And in the same way as the previous album, it's
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we've got this. We've kind of found sort of niche in the video game
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stuff and we love all those kind of themes and concepts and imagery, and
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same with sci fi. So there's a couple of sci fi songs, that's
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a couple of songs that aren't sci fi, and there's there's a bit of
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a mixture. But I mean as far as the when you say that sci
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fi concept, I mean, yeah, I guess you could say the artwork
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is kind of sci fi, but at the same time it's also like it
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it's inspired by the old beat them up games from like the Arcades and in
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the eighties and nineties. So yeah, I mean the sci fi in there,
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but it's not a concept album. Shame because I reckon you look fantastic
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as an alien. Bro, We're a full face mask, because that's what
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you're trying to say. Take that over you will. The album was produced,
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mix and mastered and mixed Unlimited, with yourself and Herman le helping out.
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So what are some of the advantages and disadvantages of doing that process with
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people in the band. Well, it's good to you bounce ideas off each
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other. Obviously there's a lot of things. I mean, I'm doing most
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of the music writing, but I'm not actually into stuff like technical stuff,
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like I've always left all spining guitar sounds, gear and anything gear related.
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Herman's much better than I am, so we kind of need each other to
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to to get to the final result of the album, and so that's the
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point. I mean, happy to write stuff on my own, but then
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when it comes to mixing it, I'm actually leaving it more to Herman and
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Damien. So I mean, obviously I need to like it too, but
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from all that past downs, I always do like what they come up with,
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so I'm pretty confident that I like it. But as far as it's
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more and more about balancing instruments and stuff where I haven't them put you know,
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I've written some guitar line that I really like and they're trying to bury
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it with something else. Then I'll be like, bring that back, please.
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So but yeah, it's definitely good to have all three of us.
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And sometimes we'll yeah, just you might. We have quite a democratic way
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of doing things with two people think something is good, then we'll be like,
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okay, well it must be good, so the other person has to
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kind of agree. Most of the time that works, and it's quite a
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good system. Actually. Yeah, You're also got a cover of Wildest Dream
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by Taylers Swift on the album. Like, was that your choice? No,
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it wasn't. Actually that was came from Herman, which is so I
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said, Oh, I wanted to do something for my generation. I was
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like, yeah, Taylor Swift's obviously from the younger generation and I'm an old
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bastard. But uh, but yeah, Herman. I think the story Herman
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told me because I was saying, what, you don't like Tyler Swift,
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so what are we do that for? And he was go, no,
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no, it's quite good. He had he had a daughter about four years
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ago, and apparently that was the only thing he could play to get her
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to go to sleep. So he ended up knowing a load of Taylor Swift
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songs and he was like, oh, they're not too bad. Actually,
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so and so he was like, I'll pick a Taylor Swift song and we'll
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turn into a dragon fall as well. I was like, all right,
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and I had so I had to listen to a few of them, and
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I thought that one was kind of catchy. Actually, I thought, well,
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it's that it's got quite a catchy melody, and I felt like that
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could be turned into a fast, power metal song without too much trouble.
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So there it is, There you go. You also featured bour Bonus tracks
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with Matfi need to Throuse a Lisa White Glues and at least I can't even
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say it last name? Is it read? Well? I always thought it
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was rid, but apparently she told me it's I probably I probably get wrong.
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I think it's like rude or some weird Swedish pronunciation, but she told
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me it's rude or something like that. And now that was about three years
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ago she told me that, So I've kind of forgot again to get an
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updated How have you pronounced that? She's on there? It's a different way
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to do it actually, like you've got the songs that have got guest artists
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are actually all bonus tracks on the album. It's I don't think I've seen
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a band do that before, but it's an interesting way to do it.
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Yeah. Well, I think it's kind of cool because it's like I always
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thought, like, as far as having guests, well, I feel like
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sometimes as a fan, like I would like to hear the song with only
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the yea. If you don't like the guests, then it's kind of a
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bit of a waste of a song for some people, you know what I
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mean. Like if I heard Metallica or whoever I like do a song with
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a guest I don't like, then I'd be like, oh, she just
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sang it all himself. So so it kind of it's almost like giving something
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to everyone. You know, I love all the songs with the guest versions,
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but you know, we want people to hear the people that want to
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hear just Mark then that's and I'm one of those people. I like to
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hear the whole song with just Mark too, So it's almost like, yeah,
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just covering all the bases and giving something for everyone, And it's cool
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to hear two versions of it too, I think, all right, Just
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to clarify on that, because I didn't pick it up the first time.
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The actual bonus songs with the guest starters are songs on the album just redone
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with the guest startists. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's like you get
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two versions, you get two of the price of one. Well, I
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think, yeah, unless the bonus that it costs more and you don't get
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two of the price of one, and you get two the price of whatever
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it is. The great idea was that one? You were idea? No,
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No, that was Herman's idea. Like I said, he takes care
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of all these kind of things. I just write them songs and hope they
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sound okay. Now, Dragon Force has got a reputation of being the world's
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fastest band mate, Like, is that something you try to live up to
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and writing an album or do you keep that in the back of your mind
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and you've gotta gotta be that band? I mean to be honest, we
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just write music that we like and that's all you can do. I mean,
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I could turn my start, I could. I mean, I've tried
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before, I said I did a long time ago. We did a song
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called the Game, which was at two forty bpm, which was the fastest
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we ever did. Most of our standard songs like Through the Fire and Flames
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that there's like like they're all two hundred bpm. If you're musical at all,
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I spell it basically means that's how fast a normal Dragon Force song is.
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So so I did one at two forty, which was actually I kind
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of I was interested to know how fast all the old thrash bands I used
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to like, like Cemlature and Slayer and Creator. I thought, I wonder
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what to speed there fastest was because it seemed like it was a bit faster
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than us. So I listened to like I think it was Beneath the Remains
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or something, and it was like two hundred and forty bpm. I was
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like, oh, okay, we can't have that. I'll have to like
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So that was a specific point to go as fast as you could and and
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then and that works, But I just felt like it wasn't the best speed
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for our cow Midal music. It worked for that song, I wouldn't want
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to do it all day long. I still think two hundred is better for
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most of our stuff. So so we didn't try it and but now I
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mean, yeah, like I said, I just like write write songs that
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I think sound good, and it's not so much trying to be as fast
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as possible. What we happen to like playing fast. So if we're still
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faster than everyone else, then that's good. So you're having to recognized rightfully
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recognized as to the best guitarists out there. Mate, But you is write
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like when you write an album, right, do you play each other's solos?
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You're right? Or do you just write guitar parts for yourself or like
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when you write southing Herman does and vice versa. Yeah, well it kind
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of depends because there's a lot of double harmony parts on the album, a
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lot of all all the all the leads that are not actually a guitar solo
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are like harmonized. So I'm playing all that on the on the our them
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and writing them. But then when we come to the gigs then obviously Herman
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has to learn one half of that, and then a lot of our actual
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guitar solos are also harmonized, so we have to learn each other's solos to
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do that too, which is quite It can be quite difficult because you're learning
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someone else's technique. So and it's the funny thing is is actually, over
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the years, if you listen to our two styles, they've actually kind of
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come more similar, just because we've had to learn each other's techniques over the
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years. So we do try to to not be similar. Like sometimes I'll
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play something and he'll be like, oh, can you change that sounds too
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much like my play, And I'd say the same thing to him. I
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was like, I already did that on the solo just before, so can
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you do nothing else? And so, yeah, that's kind of funny how
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it's evolved over the years. But yeah, I mean we we always get
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on, well, pick the parts that are to our strengths or whatever.
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Sometimes I always used to say, well, I want to play the lead
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heart and you can play the harmony I wrote it or whatever. But then
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sometimes it might be something that he actually plays not more nicely live, so
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I'll be all right, you can do that. So it's more difficult to
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learn the harmony part because it's all like off where you would expect it to
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be on the guitar. So that's something we've always kind of like complained to
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each other about. But it's all good fun. I want to take you
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back to the time a bit Bri like you and Herman started Dragging Force back
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in nineteen ninety nine. So what was that musical climate like that gave birth
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to the band and where did you fit in it? Initially? Well,
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the funny thing was we just wanted to. We had never started the band
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thinking that we would like make him living around of it or anything like that.
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We just did it because we really loved the music. And actually we
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I don't think we when we first started. We sort of the bands that
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I liked that we were I was listening to. We almost felt like we'd
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missed the boat a bit because I was listening to Stratavarius and Raps and e
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stuff like that back in ninety nine and they had already kind of it's hard
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to say, but I felt that they'd already sort of reached their peak and
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they were and now they were all on sort of their third album and stuff,
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and I thought, well, we're kind of like a bit behind.
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And I didn't even though we were trying to do something new. I was
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trying to take that music and put us like a new fresh touch on it
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by making everything much faster and adding like a lot of more extreme stuff.
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You know, we were doing blast beats and power metal, and we had
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like death metal vocals and stuff which no one had really done and that kind
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of thing. So I think it's almost like we didn't appreciate that we were
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doing something that was quite different, even though we did. It's hard to
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explain, but so we didn't really felt like we did for things. We
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were trying to like do something like more than the bands that we were listening
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to were, but we weren't really sure if anyone would like it or not,
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because we thought were the only people that are going to like this.
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Again it we just sort of power metal fans. But then actually we found
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that we got a whole new wave of fans that weren't necessarily powered or fans
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in the beginning, so and it kind of took off like that, which
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we never would have expected. You know, we had all these people like
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that. We basically just got a lot of people liking us that we wouldn't
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have expected to like us. So it turned out pretty well. Actually,
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it's fair to say that you have gone on to be one of the biggest
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bands in the world made so at what point did you sort of sit back
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and go, yeah, I think we're going to be able to do this
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for a living. Well, I never take anything for granted, you know,
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you never know, like when people won't like you anymore. But thankfully
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we've still going twenty years later and making a decent living out it. So
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it's been amazing. I couldn't. I always tell people I feel so lucky
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that I got to do this and not have to get a job. My
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main goal when I was twenty five or whatever was to not well, actually
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know, my main goal when I was eighteen was to not get a job,
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and so pretty much only they have only worked a normal job like about
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three or four years of my life, so I really cannot complain at all.
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It's amazing. And but yeah, I think it was about two thousand
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and maybe two thousand and five or six. I think that was when I
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first got a decent paycheck and I was like, okay, well I won't
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go to work. I didn't have a job in anyway, but I was
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trying to get one, so I was like, well I won't bother then.
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So yeah, since then, it's been great. How would you say
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that being sound has grown and changed from your debut Valley the Damned in two
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thousand and three two Warp Speed Warriors. I think I think we've all got
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better as musicians obviously, and we've changed a few musicians over the years,
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but I mean as far as I mean, I'm still kind of when I
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listened back to like those first two albums, I feel like it's it's definitely
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a bit simpler, like all my songwriting, especially it was it was a
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bit more basic. But uh, I think it's I don't think we've changed
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as much as a lot of bands. I feel like we've fit more into
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say the Slayer category. I was, who had like stayed the same,
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but we're still putting out quality material rather than say Metallica category, who like
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changed a lot and like put out however you feel about the material. But
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yeah, but yeah, I feel like I feel like we beause I always
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thought, well, there's two parts you can take. You can either change
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all the time, and that works great for some bands, you know,
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like something like I've watched Bringley Horizon. They've done great, They've changed quite
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a bit over the years, but it's always got bigger everything that they've done,
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and so it definitely works for some people. But then I also saw
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Slayer and saw that they you know, they stayed on top of their game
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by kind of just sticking to the same style but doing it well. And
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I think personally, I mean it was not we don't plan things like in
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a business sense. Obviously, you still play music for your own entertainment and
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pleasure. But but I think I'd like to think that our albums now are
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just as good, quality of not better than they were in the beginning,
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which I don't think. I think it's quite a hard thing to do when
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I listen to bands that I've been a fan of for twenty years, you
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know, quality of their albums. This is like in all styles of music,
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by the way, like a lot of bands, quality goes up and
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down or side the side or whatever. But without blowing own trumpet, I
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think we're pretty great. I'll second that notion. Brother, You've got a
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tour coming up with Amaranthe and Infected Rainway, where's that going to? And
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where can people get tickets? That's going around Europe and UK starts in a
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week actually, so I need to stay that's right, Yeah, Yeah,
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that's correct, And yeah, I guess they could look up the dates on
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the internet. Everyone's that these days instead of me rattling them off. But
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yeah, no, that's going to be a good thought. It should be
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fun. We just tour with them around and in the States, and we
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all has a great time. It's a good, good package. I think
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it's our music's like it's different, but it's also I think the same.
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If you like one, you should like the other. You know, it's
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not not not two kind of. And all three have got new albums out
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or coming out too, and they're all fucking good albums. So that's another
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reason. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, And I mean I've
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loved him around for like since their first album. Actually, I remember we
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were in the studio, I think recording probably we're probably recording either in Human
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Rampage or Sonic fast Orm and old keyboard player Verdem I think he found it
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and he's like, man, you listen to this, it's amazing, and
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I brought it in and then we all loved it. Yeah, we've been
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listening to it since then. So we never told with them before, which
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was quite weird because we've known them for years and we always It's one of
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those things that you just just never happened. Now we're doing two tours.
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I'd be sure if I didn't last rade. But as you look at it,
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bringing the tour over to Australia eventually, I don't know. The thing
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is like, we would love to come back there, but it's not really
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It's that's something that's more up to you know, all the people that are
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not me promoter as booking agents like Herman takes care of a lot of that
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stuff. So but I know that I've heard some talk about it, So
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I mean, I think i'd like to think what happened, because it's been
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a long time since we were there, and you know we did. We
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always have a great time there. So I can't give you any thing for
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sure, but I know that I've definitely heard some talk about it, and
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we as a band, we would love to so we've said to see what
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happens. Yeah, I think it's important to point out to you it's a
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lot of Australian people in Australia quite off and go on and about the fact
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that you haven't tried here for a long time. But what they don't realize
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is that your your stage show is that immense and it's got that much going
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on with it, Like for you to bring your whole stage show over here,
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it's going to cost a lot of money, and you don't want to
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show our half ass and leave it all behind. So he's stuck in a
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bit of a conundrum. That's very true. Yeah, that's the thing is
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we want to like that stage. Like you said, it's changed so much
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over the last sort of five years or so, and like and if we
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want to we want to show people what we can really do now with it,
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with the whole package. And uh, and yeah, like you said,
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it's just a matter of it's a bit more logistics than the old days.
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You know, in the old days, we just jump on the plane
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with the suitcase and a guitar and off you go. But yeah, we
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could still do that. And I mean, I know a lot of people
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maybe don't care about seeing a big, fancy stage show, but you know,
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we as a band, you want to do your best you can,
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whether it's musically or or stage show and everything like that. So we're going
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to we're trying to work. We're working on it though, for sure.
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I mean I'm really keen to find a way to make it happen not and
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and I think herman is too. So yeah, well we'll keep you posted
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and you'll be the first to know. Yeah all right, bro, Well,
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thanks very much for your time made. Warp Speed Warrior is out Muster
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fifteenth and she's a cracker of an album as you would expect, and thanks
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for taking the time to join us. Fin anytime there's a pleasure stas get
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all this time up on the saving Bob on the ground they're love me oh
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lost little So that's around said it so broad it so well as a bed
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for my last n say all that. But the dress I s so when
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that surprised me out again and I say so so I will be done talking
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about that. Boys. So that's about said the same pod. So well
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how will weave? Bass? I started? BASSI so my surprise to me
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outcast that's my side. I don't know whether you know myself. The nice
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glass at the sun side behind again and I'm glad you appreciated that I brushed
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my hair just for you. I can I can take my hat off and
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be myself again. You're trying to say, I don't let you be yourself. Yeah,