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Mega Edition: The Goncalves Family And Their Pursuit Of Justice For Kaylee (9/18/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: Everyone, and welcome back to the program. Kaylee Gonsalves' mom
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Speaker 1: recently sat down with News Nation and granted them an interview.
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Speaker 1: So on today's episode, that's what we're going to be
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Speaker 1: talking about. And to do that, we have an article
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Speaker 1: from the U.S. Sun. And the headline, A year on,
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Speaker 1: Idaho murder victim Kaylee Gonsalves' mom breaks down in tears
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Speaker 1: and calls for death penalty for suspect Brian Koberger. Well,
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Speaker 1: do you blame her? If it was my son, my daughter,
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Speaker 1: my loved one, I'd be calling for the death penalty too.
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Speaker 1: And I'd be calling for it from every single rooftop. Oh, well,
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Speaker 1: wouldn't you worry about the integrity of the case?
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Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm not.
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Speaker 1: It's not like you have the prosecutor out here saying
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Speaker 1: this stuff. You have a grieving parent who is expressing
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Speaker 1: how they feel. And by the way, if you go
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Speaker 1: and look at the amended non-dissemination order, Christy Gonsalves And
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Speaker 1: Steve Gonsalves and all the other family members, by the way,
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Speaker 1: are well within their rights to talk about whatever it
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Speaker 1: is they want to talk about. The gag order does
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Speaker 1: not apply to them. It does, however, apply to their lawyer,
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Speaker 1: Shannon Gray. This article was authored by Forrest McFarlane. The
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Speaker 1: mother of Idaho murder victim, Kaylee Gonsalves, has broken down
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Speaker 1: in tears as a tragic reminder of her daughter's death approaches.
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Speaker 1: Christy Gonsalves pleaded for suspect Brian Koberger to be sentenced
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Speaker 1: to death if found guilty nearly one year after the
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Speaker 1: four students were found fatally stabbed in a Moscow home.
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Speaker 1: And again, look, what sort of parent wouldn't be calling
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Speaker 1: for the death penalty? Unless, of course, you're, you know,
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Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin's parents who are a different kind of breed.
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Speaker 1: I know that most people I know, hell, I'd say
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Speaker 1: the vast majority of people that I know personally, would
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Speaker 1: be calling for the death penalty. And under most circumstances,
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Speaker 1: I'm not really a fan of the death penalty. But
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Speaker 1: when you have an egregious case such as this, and
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Speaker 1: there was such brutality shown, what else are you supposed
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Speaker 1: to do? If the death penalty is on the books
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Speaker 1: in Idaho, then the death penalty has to be applied, right?
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Speaker 1: Whatever the harshest penalty in the state is, that's what
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Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger deserves if he's guilty. On November 13th, 2022...
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Speaker 1: Police discovered the bodies of Kaylee and her best friend
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Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, both 22, as well as Zanna Kernodle and
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend Ethan Chapin, both 21, in the off-campus house
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Speaker 1: where the three women were living. The victims, who were
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Speaker 1: all students at the University of Idaho, had been brutally
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Speaker 1: slaughtered with a military-grade knife after a shadowy figure broke
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Speaker 1: in late that night. Two surviving roommates said. Six weeks later,
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Speaker 1: officials announced the arrest of Brian Kohlberger, a 28-year-old criminology
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Speaker 1: graduate student at nearby Washington State University. Prosecutors say there
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Speaker 1: was DNA on a knife sheath recovered from the scene
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Speaker 1: that was near a perfect match to his, but he
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Speaker 1: has pleaded not guilty. And there's zero doubt that a
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Speaker 1: guy like Brian Kohlberger plans to take this all the
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Speaker 1: way to the nines. I've said from the beginning that
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Speaker 1: the reason that the attack happened so close to the
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Speaker 1: holidays was for maximum impact. He wanted to make sure
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Speaker 1: that not only was this something that affected the family
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Speaker 1: members moving forward, but to maximize that effect, it was
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Speaker 1: done right around the holidays. And if my speculation is correct,
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Speaker 1: it just shows you how evil this dude is. Now,
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Speaker 1: of course, that still has to be proven in court,
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Speaker 1: but it certainly looks like that's what occurred. And unless
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger's team can come up with some kind of
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Speaker 1: alternative scenario, they're in big trouble here. Koberger's been charged
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Speaker 1: with four counts of murder and could face the death
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Speaker 1: penalty if he's found guilty. Speaking with News Nation, Kaylee's mom,
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Speaker 1: Christy Gonsalves, made an emotional plea for prosecutors to keep
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Speaker 1: seeking the maximum penalty against the man who allegedly stole
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Speaker 1: her daughter's life. It's just so real sometimes. And it's
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Speaker 1: just the worst that somebody could do this to somebody's family.
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Speaker 1: So many families, she said, fighting tears while her husband
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Speaker 1: rubbed her shoulders. And I'm pretty sure that Mr. Gonsalves
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Speaker 1: would gladly hand out this punishment himself. Save the state
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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of money. Save the state a whole
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Speaker 1: bunch of time. Convict Brian Koberger and then just hand
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Speaker 1: them over to the Gonsalves family and let them handle
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Speaker 1: their business. We'll see how much of a tough guy
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger is then. because only a coward sneaks into
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Speaker 1: somebody's house and attacks them while they're sleeping. The mom
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Speaker 1: and dad brought up other murder cases where a killer
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Speaker 1: would get a life sentence and enjoy special treatment in
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Speaker 1: prison by other inmates. There's no doubt that some of
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Speaker 1: these people who end up in prison for this kind
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Speaker 1: of thing, they attain, like, superstar status. Whole bunch of emails,
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Speaker 1: whole bunch of women fawning over them. It becomes a
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Speaker 1: whole-ass circus sideshow. I mean, you have people like Ed
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Speaker 1: Kemper who were in prison for heinous crimes and he
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Speaker 1: ends up being a narrator for books while he's in prison. Really?
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Speaker 1: You're going to have Ed Kemper narrate Star Wars books?
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Speaker 1: That sounds like a great idea. Said nobody ever. So
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Speaker 1: if you're found guilty of heinous crimes like Brian Koberger
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Speaker 1: allegedly committed and the death penalties on the books in
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Speaker 1: your state, you should probably be getting the death penalty, no?
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Speaker 1: It would seem to me that that would be the
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Speaker 1: rational way to go about it. They fear that if Koberger,
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Speaker 1: if he's found guilty, could be admired for his intelligence.
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Speaker 1: We don't want that, the mom said. Well, I don't
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Speaker 1: know about how intelligent he is if he got caught.
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Speaker 1: And if we're being honest, we have killers out there,
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Speaker 1: serial killers, with an IQ of about 10 who have
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Speaker 1: went years without getting captured. Then you got Brian Koberger
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Speaker 1: over here who gets nailed after his first murder, allegedly.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know how smart I would say that
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Speaker 1: the guy is. Maybe book smart, but not smart enough
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Speaker 1: to carry that over and commit crimes correctly. And you
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Speaker 1: know what the evidence for that is? The evidence for
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Speaker 1: that is his bitch ass sitting in a jail cell.
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Speaker 1: The killing has left Christy so heartbroken that she said
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Speaker 1: she can't even bring herself to go into her daughter's
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Speaker 1: old bedroom. I've only been up to Kaylee's room twice,
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Speaker 1: and neither time was for any amount of time, she said.
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Speaker 1: It was like in and out. It has to bring
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Speaker 1: up all kinds of memories, right? You go into your
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Speaker 1: daughter's room, your son's room, after they've been brutally murdered,
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Speaker 1: and everything is exactly the way that they left it.
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Speaker 1: It has to be very eerie. And I don't know
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Speaker 1: if I'd be able to go in that room either,
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Speaker 1: to be honest with you. Grueling process. The Gonsalves family
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Speaker 1: is anxious for justice after the judge announced that Brian's trial,
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Speaker 1: which was supposed to begin on October 2nd, would be
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Speaker 1: pushed back indefinitely. Prosecutors requested the delay in the trial
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Speaker 1: to give themselves time to create 3D models of the
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Speaker 1: crime scene, according to a statement from the university. Well,
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Speaker 1: it was more like Brian Kohlberger's team requested this stay
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Speaker 1: in proceedings, didn't get it, and then waived the right
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Speaker 1: to a speedy trial. So let's just clear that up
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Speaker 1: real quick. Had nothing to do with the prosecutors, although
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Speaker 1: they agreed with the defense, saying that it's going to
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Speaker 1: take them more time and they understand why. but it
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Speaker 1: wasn't like the prosecutors were pushing for a delay. FBI
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Speaker 1: investigators revisited the Moscow house on October 31st and November
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Speaker 1: 1st to conduct further investigations. Kaylee's mourning family said the
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Speaker 1: slow court process has been brutal, but hopes the prosecution
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Speaker 1: is getting all the evidence that they need.
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Speaker 2: And I think they are.
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Speaker 1: As slow as the process is, as slow as it
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Speaker 1: all seems to be, The wheels of justice grind slowly.
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Speaker 1: We all know that. And when you're talking about a
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Speaker 1: capital punishment case, forget it. It's knocked into a different realm.
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Speaker 1: So the prosecution has to make sure they're completely buttoned up.
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Speaker 1: They were actually part of the reason why the home
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Speaker 1: wasn't bulldozed down by the university officials who considered removing
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Speaker 1: the off-campus blight. The family felt that it could be
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Speaker 1: a source of evidence in the future and were vindicated
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Speaker 1: once the modeling process began. And I think there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of people out there That had a lot of
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Speaker 1: criticism of the Gonsalves family. Throughout this process. Who probably
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Speaker 1: owes them an apology. They won't get it of course.
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Speaker 2: Because you know.
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Speaker 1: People have to drive clicks to their stupid ass content.
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Speaker 1: Because the content can't stand on it's own. So of
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Speaker 1: course they have to fire off all kinds of salacious bullshit.
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Speaker 1: Talking about how Mr. Gonsalves might even be a suspect.
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Speaker 1: Remember that nonsense? I forget the dude. One of the
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Speaker 1: analysts that was on TV. In the beginning was talking
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Speaker 1: like that. Some ex-FBI agent. You want to talk about
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Speaker 1: terrible takes? Well, there's one. I knew in my heart
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Speaker 1: what was best for those girls. I knew it was
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Speaker 1: to keep that around until they did more, Kaylee's father
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Speaker 1: Steve said. There will be a point when I'll let
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Speaker 1: it go. And I agree with that. After the trial,
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Speaker 1: after all of the evidence is in, after there's a conviction.
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Speaker 2: Not before.
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Speaker 1: Now they say it will be very emotional when the
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Speaker 1: home is demolished as they hold on the positive memories
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Speaker 1: of Kaylee's life before that dark day. We have pictures
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Speaker 1: of them in the house. My daughter had a happy
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Speaker 1: life there, Christie said. When that house goes, it's going
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Speaker 1: to be hard. I don't want to go in. I've
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Speaker 1: never even been to the house. I've never drove by it.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to. University officials confirmed that the home
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Speaker 1: will not be torn down this semester, even after the
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Speaker 1: defense and prosecution both voted to demolish it. Trial Proceeds
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Speaker 1: Brian's team scored major court victory last month when the
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Speaker 1: judge told the prosecution that they had until December 1st
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Speaker 1: to turn over DNA evidence linking him to the crime. Well,
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Speaker 1: just to clarify once again, the order was to have
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Speaker 1: the information turned over to the judge. We don't know
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Speaker 1: what the defense is going to get yet. That has
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Speaker 1: not been determined by Judge Judge. The only determination he's
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Speaker 1: made is that he is entitled to take a look
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Speaker 1: at all of this and then he'll render his decision
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Speaker 1: from there. Prosecutors say they were able to identify him
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Speaker 1: as a subject through genetic genealogy, which uses databases like Ancestry.com
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Speaker 1: and 23andMe to gain genetic information. However, in court filings,
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Speaker 1: the defense has voiced suspicion about their methods and plans
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Speaker 1: to dispute them when the trial begins.
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Speaker 2: Good luck doing that.
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Speaker 1: Especially considering they're going to get this information, and then
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Speaker 1: once they get it, they're going to realize they can't
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Speaker 1: do much with it. Investigators say Koberger allegedly visited the
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Speaker 1: home 12 different times leading up to the murders and
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Speaker 1: had tried to message some of the victims on social media.
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Speaker 1: In an arrest warrant, the detective said he has also
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Speaker 1: allegedly had his phone turned off during the hours the
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Speaker 1: crime is believed to have taken place. In May, a
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Speaker 1: not guilty plea was entered on Koberger's behalf and the
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Speaker 1: motive behind the crime, if any, remains a mystery. As
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Speaker 1: far as motive goes, I think it's pretty simple, honestly.
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Speaker 1: I think Kohlberger saw Madison working over at the Mad
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Speaker 1: Greek and from there began stalking her. And one thing
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Speaker 1: led to another, and then it all boiled over on
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Speaker 1: the morning of November 13th. That's what I think happened.
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Speaker 1: I think that's the motivation. He became fascinated with her
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Speaker 1: for whatever reason. And as he continued to spiral, this
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Speaker 1: was the end result when that journey was completed. So
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Speaker 1: for me, that's the most logical motive here. The fact
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Speaker 1: that he was infatuated or whatever with Madison. He went
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Speaker 1: to that home that night thinking that it was just
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Speaker 1: going to be Madison in that bed. But instead he
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Speaker 1: found Kaylee there too. So it threw his plans into chaos.
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Speaker 1: That's why we saw the overkill with Kaylee. And then,
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Speaker 1: stumbling out of that room, he happened to run into XANA.
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Speaker 1: And from there, he had to kill her and Ethan, right?
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Speaker 1: To get out of Dodge. So, I'm guessing, and again,
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Speaker 1: just my speculation, that that's how it went down. But obviously,
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Speaker 1: we're going to learn a lot more as the trial approaches.
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Speaker 1: And of course, once the trial kicks off in earnest.
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Speaker 1: And like usual, we're going to be here every step
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Speaker 1: of the way. All right, folks, that's going to do
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Speaker 1: it for this one. All of the information that goes
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Speaker 1: with this episode can be found in the description box.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program. Kaylee's dad, Steve Gonsalves, gave
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Speaker 1: another interview to Good Morning America yesterday, and he had
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Speaker 1: some pretty interesting things to say. So let's dive into
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Speaker 1: this article from the Daily Mail, and let's see what Mr.
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Speaker 1: Gonsalves said.
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Speaker 2: Headline.
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Speaker 1: Idaho quadruple murder victim's father didn't give his daughter a
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Speaker 1: funeral out of fear the monster would be there and
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Speaker 1: says cops believe the unidentified killer is proud of the
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Speaker 1: weapon used in the bloody stabbing. Now, if that's the
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Speaker 1: case and the killer is proud of this weapon and
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Speaker 1: is still in possession of it, that will be the
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Speaker 1: killer's downfall.
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Speaker 2: 100%.
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Speaker 1: If you get caught with the weapon, the murder weapon, yo,
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Speaker 1: your goose is cooked, homie. Why do you think the
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Speaker 1: police are so adamant About finding the murder weapon. Two
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Speaker 1: things that they're looking for. In a murder investigation. A
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Speaker 1: body and a murder weapon. If they find both of those.
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Speaker 1: And they can trace them back to you. Well you're
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Speaker 1: going to go to prison. For a very long time.
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Speaker 1: But you know the old saying right. No body no murder.
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Speaker 1: Well the second best thing is. No murder weapon. So
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Speaker 1: if this dude's running around brazenly. You know being proud
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Speaker 1: of this weapon. That he used in these killings. That
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Speaker 1: could easily be his downfall. This article was authored by
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Speaker 1: Andrea Cavalier and Melissa Koenig. The father of a University
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Speaker 1: of Idaho student, who was one of four students stabbed
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Speaker 1: to death in their sleep earlier this month, revealed that
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Speaker 1: he did not give his daughter a funeral out of
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Speaker 1: fear the monster would be there. As the search for
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Speaker 1: the killer continues. This is something that does happen, unfortunately.
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Speaker 1: These killers that do things like this... They love to
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Speaker 1: insert themselves into the investigation, they love to go to
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Speaker 1: the vigils, they love to go to funerals. Now, I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying that this person's going to do that. I
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Speaker 1: have no evidence to back that up, but it's certainly
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Speaker 1: a possibility. And for Mr. Gonsalves, I can totally understand that.
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Speaker 1: Imagine you're saying your goodbyes to your daughter, and in
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Speaker 1: the back of your mind you're thinking that this monster
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Speaker 1: might be attending the service. Steve Goncalves, the father of
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Speaker 1: Kaylee Goncalves, told Good Morning America on Tuesday that he
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Speaker 1: had been feeling a little defeated and frustrated by the
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Speaker 1: lack of transparency from police as the investigation of the
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Speaker 1: quadruple murders enters its third consecutive week without a suspect.
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Speaker 1: What I will say here is I understand completely that
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Speaker 1: he would feel frustrated, that he would feel a little defeated.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about three weeks now, and you would think
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Speaker 1: that this would be something that the police would be
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Speaker 1: able to solve quickly if they had an idea who
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Speaker 1: did it.
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Speaker 2: But that's the that's the rub, right?
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Speaker 1: As far as we know, and as far as the
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Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence points, they don't have anyone even in their sights.
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Speaker 2: So, of course, you're going to be frustrated if you're
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Speaker 2: the father. And especially this.
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Speaker 1: Day and age, you mean to tell me that it's
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Speaker 1: not concerning to anyone else that someone can walk into
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Speaker 1: a house with a knife and murder four people and
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Speaker 1: get away scot-free? That's a bit concerning for anyone, never
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Speaker 1: mind the father of the girl who was just murdered.
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Speaker 1: My wife's biggest fear, part of the reason we didn't
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Speaker 1: have a funeral, is because she couldn't guarantee that the
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Speaker 1: monster was not going to be there. And honestly, that's heartbreaking.
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Speaker 1: Imagine not being able to say bye to your child
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Speaker 1: because you think that the person who is responsible for
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Speaker 1: killing her might show up to this funeral. And then,
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Speaker 1: the transparency portion, I understand why Mr. Gonsalves is feeling
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Speaker 1: that way. But what I will say is, take a
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Speaker 1: look over at the Delphi murders and look how that's
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Speaker 1: all unfolded.
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Speaker 2: And it had to do with the. 40 caliber.
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Speaker 1: Gun that Richard Allen had so during the police investigations.
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Speaker 1: They asked Richard Allen Hey, you know, did you ever
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Speaker 1: lend anybody this gun your 40 caliber gun? Has it
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Speaker 1: ever been out of your possession? He says no Well
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Speaker 1: come to find out there was an ejected bullet from
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Speaker 1: that gun at the scene where Libby and Abigail were
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Speaker 1: found So that's how they traced it back to him
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Speaker 1: But my point is if they would have let that
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Speaker 1: information out to the public then Richard Allen would have
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Speaker 1: been hip to that and he would have been able
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Speaker 1: to evade those questions and So that's why they protect
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Speaker 1: the integrity of the case. And that is a very
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Speaker 1: good shining example of why they do that. But Gonsalves
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Speaker 1: added that he had learned that his daughter did not
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Speaker 1: suffer in her final moments, but did have large punctures
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Speaker 1: from a brutal weapon that police say the killer was
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Speaker 1: proud of. The detective said this weapon is probably something
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Speaker 1: the killer paid money for and something that they're proud of,
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Speaker 1: he said. His daughter, Kaylee Gonsalves, 21. Her lifelong best friend,
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Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, 21. Another roommate, Zanna Kernodle, 20. And Kernodle's boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin, 20, were killed in the girls' off-campus house
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Speaker 1: in the early hours of November 13th. Now, again, if
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Speaker 1: this killer is running around brazenly, you know, showing off
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Speaker 1: this weapon or whatever, that's gonna really be bad.
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Speaker 2: For him down the road.
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Speaker 1: If he gets caught and he has that weapon in
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Speaker 1: his possession, It's over for him. Gonsalves also revealed in
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Speaker 1: the interview on Tuesday that his daughter did not suffer
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Speaker 1: in her final moments. It was fast and nobody suffered
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Speaker 1: and nobody felt like that kind of pain, Gonsalves said.
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Speaker 1: Gonsalves didn't share any information on how he'd learned Kaylee
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Speaker 1: hadn't suffered. Investigators previously said students had defensive wounds, suggesting
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Speaker 1: they'd put up a fight against their attackers. He said
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Speaker 1: he only found out about his daughter's untimely demise from
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Speaker 1: family members on campus before police confirmed her death and
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Speaker 1: tried to call Madison, Kaylee's best friend for years, only
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Speaker 1: to find out she wasn't responding either. So can you
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Speaker 1: imagine the panic that must have ensued? You hear something
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Speaker 1: happen to your daughter, you call her best friend, and
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Speaker 1: no answer from her as well? And not only that,
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Speaker 1: she's her roommate, so if anybody should know what's going on,
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Speaker 1: it's her, right? I can't even imagine... The automatic panic
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Speaker 1: that must have ensued. I haven't earned the ability to
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Speaker 1: grieve the way that I want to grieve, Steve said.
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Speaker 1: I want to be able to just have justice first.
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Speaker 1: He has previously spoken out about his frustration with the
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Speaker 1: lack of any new information in the investigation, which has
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Speaker 1: entered its third consecutive week with no suspects. And look,
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Speaker 1: I'd never even begin to try and put myself in
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Speaker 1: the place of one of these parents who have lost
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Speaker 1: a child and who are going through it right now.
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Speaker 1: This man is suffering like none of us could even imagine.
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Speaker 1: And of course he's frustrated. And of course he wants answers.
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Speaker 1: And of course he wants justice. I have to assume
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Speaker 1: and hope that this is all part of their plan.
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Speaker 1: And they've got this all figured out, he told ABC News.
19:48
Speaker 1: I know that there's some really good, hardworking guys and
19:51
Speaker 1: girls that are on this case that I've met. And
19:54
Speaker 1: they looked me in the eye and they told me
19:56
Speaker 1: straight out that they're working and they're doing everything in
19:59
Speaker 1: their power. Still, police maintained in an exclusive interview with DailyMail.com
20:04
Speaker 1: that it was a targeted attack. So, again, we don't
20:08
Speaker 1: have enough information. at least in my opinion, as the public,
20:12
Speaker 1: to make heads or tails of what happened here. There's
20:15
Speaker 1: just so much that we don't know, so much that's unconfirmed,
20:19
Speaker 1: and so much that the police have not revealed. But
20:23
Speaker 1: they are adamant that this is a targeted attack, and
20:26
Speaker 1: they've been adamant about that for quite some time now.
20:29
Speaker 1: So whatever they're seeing behind the scenes, my guess is
20:32
Speaker 1: it's leading them to believe that this was a targeted attack.
20:36
Speaker 2: Kaylee.
20:37
Speaker 1: Her best friend Madison Mogan and young couple Zanna Kernodle
20:41
Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin, both 20, were all found stabbed to
20:44
Speaker 1: death in their off-campus rental house in Moscow on the
20:47
Speaker 1: morning of November 13th after a friend called 911 about
20:51
Speaker 1: an unconscious person in the home. The call apparently came
20:55
Speaker 1: after Kaylee and Madison's friends were not able to reach
20:58
Speaker 1: them after incessantly calling and texting their numbers. And this
21:03
Speaker 1: is something we kind of speculated about. How did they
21:05
Speaker 1: figure out it was an unconscious person? You know, what's
21:08
Speaker 1: the deal? So it looks like the other roommates were
21:12
Speaker 1: texting the girls who were murdered and they didn't get
21:15
Speaker 1: a response. So that led to the phone call of
21:18
Speaker 1: the unconscious person. The two girls were found still in
21:21
Speaker 1: their beds on the top floor of the house with
21:23
Speaker 1: cops maintaining they were still asleep when the unknown assailant
21:27
Speaker 1: stabbed them with a knife. Steve's interview on Tuesday marked
21:31
Speaker 1: the second time the grieving dad has spoken out about
21:34
Speaker 1: his frustration with the slow investigation into his daughter's death.
21:38
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that is frustration, like
21:41
Speaker 1: they say here. You know, if it was your daughter
21:43
Speaker 1: or my daughter or anyone's daughter, they'd want results. They
21:46
Speaker 1: don't want to hear, oh, this isn't a movie. They
21:49
Speaker 1: want results, right? Their child has been murdered. They want results.
21:53
Speaker 1: He had revealed to Fox News Lawrence Jones over the
21:56
Speaker 1: weekend how he has not heard anything from law enforcement
21:59
Speaker 1: since Wednesday at 5 p.m. The same night, local authorities
22:03
Speaker 1: gave a disastrous press conference in which they admitted they
22:06
Speaker 1: have no suspects in her and her friend's murder and
22:10
Speaker 1: have not yet recovered a murder weapon. They're kind of
22:13
Speaker 1: just telling me that they can't tell me much, which
22:16
Speaker 1: is frustrating to me because I've been very trustworthy, Steve
22:19
Speaker 1: said of the investigators, revealing I do know things.
22:23
Speaker 2: I haven't shared things.
22:25
Speaker 1: He said he does not want to talk bad about
22:27
Speaker 1: law enforcement because they are hardworking individuals claiming he would
22:31
Speaker 1: be doomed without them. But Gonsalves admitted he is disappointed
22:35
Speaker 1: by the lack of information as authorities say they are
22:37
Speaker 1: withholding details in an effort to catch the killer. And again,
22:41
Speaker 1: I want to point out what happened in Delphi. I
22:45
Speaker 1: know it's two different circumstances, but I'm talking about the
22:48
Speaker 1: cold case portion of it. The portion of actually getting
22:51
Speaker 1: a conviction, finding the killer, and then letting them walk
22:54
Speaker 1: themselves into a conviction, which is basically what Richard Allen
22:57
Speaker 1: just did. They say they are not releasing a profile
23:02
Speaker 1: of the suspect because it could lead to more fear
23:04
Speaker 1: and suspicion in the college town.
23:06
Speaker 2: Which is already on edge following.
23:08
Speaker 1: The gruesome murders, with some students refusing to return to classes.
23:13
Speaker 1: It will potentially put more fear, more suspicion on a
23:16
Speaker 1: wide variety of people versus if we use that to
23:19
Speaker 1: really refine where we're at in the investigation, Idaho State
23:23
Speaker 1: Police Communication Director Aaron Snell told Jones. I think that
23:27
Speaker 1: will be more pertinent. And so if we just provide
23:29
Speaker 1: information to the public, I just don't think that's going
23:32
Speaker 1: to be a wise choice. I think that you have
23:35
Speaker 1: to walk that line. Like I've said, there has to
23:37
Speaker 1: be a fine line that's walked by law enforcement and
23:40
Speaker 1: not giving out stuff that's going to destroy the case.
23:44
Speaker 1: That's that's a no brainer. But given out enough to
23:47
Speaker 1: where the community as a whole is aware of what's
23:50
Speaker 1: going on and has a solid handle of what's going on,
23:54
Speaker 1: that's important. In the meantime, Gonsalves said, we're holding our tongue.
23:58
Speaker 1: We're waiting patiently, but we're definitely concerned. He asked anyone
24:02
Speaker 1: with information about his daughter's whereabouts the night of November
24:05
Speaker 1: 12th and into November 13th to come forward and to
24:09
Speaker 1: speak to law enforcement officials, saying they may provide the
24:12
Speaker 1: missing key to helping unravel the mystery.
24:15
Speaker 2: And that's the thing.
24:15
Speaker 1: If you were around that night, you might hold a
24:18
Speaker 1: key to the mystery that you had no idea about.
24:21
Speaker 1: We've seen that with so many different investigations, people who
24:24
Speaker 1: might have just been around or saw the person, and
24:27
Speaker 1: then they give a key clue to the investigators that
24:31
Speaker 1: leads to a break in the case. Kaylee had spent
24:36
Speaker 1: much of the night before her death at the Corner Club,
24:39
Speaker 1: a Moscow dive bar popular with students, with Madison. At
24:43
Speaker 1: approximately 1.30 a.m., the pair were caught on a camera
24:47
Speaker 1: purchasing a portion of carbonara pasta, from Grub Wandering Kitchen,
24:51
Speaker 1: a food truck that offers late-night eats on the weekends.
24:55
Speaker 1: Parked up close to the Moscow branch of Insura State Farm,
24:59
Speaker 1: an outdoor store, Hyperspud Sports, Madison and Kaylee were last
25:03
Speaker 1: glimpsed walking away towards what police have called a private
25:07
Speaker 1: party driver for their final ride home. The route, seen
25:12
Speaker 1: in an exclusive DailyMail.com video, takes less than five minutes
25:16
Speaker 1: to complete and cuts through the University of Idaho campus
25:19
Speaker 1: and passes the Sigma Chi house on the right where
25:22
Speaker 1: Zanna and Ethan spent their last night before taking a
25:25
Speaker 1: left up King Road towards their home. So DailyMail went
25:30
Speaker 1: and retraced the steps, took the car ride and all
25:32
Speaker 1: of that. Always a good idea to do that as
25:35
Speaker 1: a news agency so you have an idea of what's
25:38
Speaker 1: going on here. And it gives you an idea of,
25:41
Speaker 1: you know, the pathway that these kids took home. Can't
25:45
Speaker 1: rule out that they might have run into somebody on
25:47
Speaker 1: the way home, right? Again, at this point, with little
25:50
Speaker 1: information we have, with the little bit that we know,
25:54
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a wise idea to rule anything
25:56
Speaker 1: out at this point. Poignantly, the drive also goes past
26:02
Speaker 1: the Moscow Police Department headquarters, which can be seen on
26:05
Speaker 1: the left, just as the route turns right on the campus.
26:10
Speaker 1: According to police, the pair arrived home at 1.45 a.m.
26:13
Speaker 1: at the same time as Ethan and Zanna and 45
26:16
Speaker 1: minutes after their other roommates, who both miraculously survived the attack.
26:22
Speaker 1: Less than two hours later, Madison, Kaylee, Zanna, and Ethan
26:26
Speaker 1: were dead, butchered as they slept by a knife-wielding villain.
26:30
Speaker 1: Autopsy results showed all four died from stab wounds to
26:33
Speaker 1: the chest, with police saying the murder weapon was a
26:36
Speaker 1: large military-style knife, which still hasn't been found. Kaylee's dog, Murphy,
26:41
Speaker 1: survived the attack unscathed and didn't make a sound while
26:45
Speaker 1: the first Dylan and Bethany knew of their roommate's fate
26:48
Speaker 1: came after 11 a.m. when they woke up and went
26:51
Speaker 1: upstairs to find them dead. Now, I don't know how
26:54
Speaker 1: we know about the dog not barking or anything like that.
26:56
Speaker 1: So I'll say that's TBD until I see something that
26:59
Speaker 1: confirms that. I mean, it would make sense that the
27:02
Speaker 1: dog didn't bark, right? It would have woke people up,
27:04
Speaker 1: you would think.
27:05
Speaker 2: But who knows?
27:06
Speaker 1: Who the hell knows why a dog's doing whatever the
27:08
Speaker 1: hell a dog's doing? Officials have insisted over the past
27:12
Speaker 1: month that the quadruple stabbing was a targeted attack, with
27:16
Speaker 1: Idaho State Police spokesman Aaron Snell, 49, telling DailyMail.com in
27:21
Speaker 1: an exclusive interview that all four of the victims could
27:24
Speaker 1: have been the intended targets. So that's very vague, and
27:27
Speaker 1: that's done on purpose. Aaron Snell's being vague on purpose here, folks.
27:31
Speaker 1: Keep that in mind. He confirmed investigators have gathered enough
27:36
Speaker 1: evidence to suggest the killings were targeted. but admitted they
27:39
Speaker 1: are no closer to identifying the murderer. We still believe
27:43
Speaker 1: it was a targeted attack, based on the evidence at
27:46
Speaker 1: the scene and how everything developed. What we know.
27:49
Speaker 2: We believe that's accurate, he said.
27:51
Speaker 1: Still, Snell refused to say which of the victims police
27:55
Speaker 1: believe to be the target, describing it as a delicate question. Well, yeah,
28:02
Speaker 1: it is, honestly, because only the killer knows that as
28:04
Speaker 1: of now. So if you reveal that and then you
28:07
Speaker 1: arrest this killer, he can use that to manipulate the
28:10
Speaker 1: situation and maybe get off. He said, that's part of
28:15
Speaker 1: an ongoing investigation. That's a real delicate question. And when
28:19
Speaker 1: we're able to say that, or if we're able to
28:21
Speaker 1: say that, we'll definitely do that. It's very similar to
28:24
Speaker 1: the whole stalking, right? Potentially, if there was a stalker,
28:27
Speaker 1: that would be somebody of extreme interest. You can't lay
28:30
Speaker 1: out all your cards at once. We're trying to find
28:33
Speaker 1: the various potential participants. He then admitted that there is
28:37
Speaker 1: a threat to the community, despite Moscow police originally assuring
28:41
Speaker 1: the public there was no threat to the close-knit college town.
28:45
Speaker 1: Is there somebody out there? Yes, Snell told DeliMail.com. Our
28:50
Speaker 1: goal is to find that person and bring them to justice.
28:53
Speaker 1: That's what you should have said from Jump Street. We
28:55
Speaker 1: lost critical time and crucial time by saying there was
28:58
Speaker 1: no threat to the community. And then what would have happened,
29:01
Speaker 1: God forbid, if this person or persons would have hurt
29:04
Speaker 1: somebody else? He said police have now mostly finished investigating
29:09
Speaker 1: the crime scene and revealed that plans to release the
29:11
Speaker 1: scene are underway, but noted that it won't be released
29:14
Speaker 1: until cops are sure there is nothing left to retrieve.
29:18
Speaker 1: In the meantime, most of the police work is now
29:20
Speaker 1: being done behind the scenes with crime lab testing and reports.
29:24
Speaker 1: And we're getting some information about some of those tests
29:27
Speaker 1: coming back. And we're going to do an episode about
29:30
Speaker 1: that later on. Investigations are difficult. Potentially, it could go
29:35
Speaker 1: for a while. But if we have some leads that
29:38
Speaker 1: lead us to a potential suspect and quickly, we don't
29:41
Speaker 1: try and estimate or speculate on the length of the investigation,
29:44
Speaker 1: he told DailyMail.com. Obviously our goal would have been to
29:48
Speaker 1: solve this last week. So we don't have a timeline.
29:51
Speaker 1: We are receiving a lot of quality tips and have
29:53
Speaker 1: done over 150 interviews. So all the information that has
29:57
Speaker 1: been received is building that whole picture. And that's really
30:02
Speaker 1: what's going on right now. They're behind the scenes and
30:04
Speaker 1: they're trying to recreate how all of this went down.
30:08
Speaker 1: And to do that, It's a monumental task. They have
30:12
Speaker 1: to go through all of this digital evidence. They have
30:14
Speaker 1: to go through the witness statements. And they have to
30:16
Speaker 1: rebuild literally the whole entire day leading up to this attack.
30:24
Speaker 1: Since we don't have a suspect at this time and
30:26
Speaker 1: we don't have a weapon, it's really difficult to find
30:28
Speaker 1: out what happened. So what we do have to do
30:30
Speaker 1: is try and build this picture of what occurred on
30:33
Speaker 1: that night. The relationships the four of them had. Was
30:36
Speaker 1: there anything suspicious in those? Are there any tidbits of
30:39
Speaker 1: information we can draw from that? Did anything occur in
30:42
Speaker 1: the evening of that night? Was there anything out of
30:44
Speaker 1: the ordinary that occurred to them? And the movements of
30:47
Speaker 1: the residents themselves? But despite the difficulties, Snell said he
30:52
Speaker 1: is confident police will eventually unravel the mystery of what
30:55
Speaker 1: happened and bring the killer to justice.
30:58
Speaker 2: I really hope so. I hope that we can all
31:00
Speaker 2: be as confident as Mr. Snell here.
31:04
Speaker 1: He said, we have not identified anybody who was involved
31:07
Speaker 1: in this, so we for sure do not want to
31:09
Speaker 1: say we think they came through whatever door and did
31:12
Speaker 1: this because once we do that, we start.
31:14
Speaker 2: Going down a rabbit hole.
31:16
Speaker 1: And then all these ancillary facts that might point to
31:18
Speaker 1: something else, then maybe we would miss those. And also,
31:22
Speaker 1: you don't want to tip the killer off. That's the key.
31:25
Speaker 1: You don't want to tip the killer off to what
31:27
Speaker 1: you might have. investigators truly are doing a phenomenal job.
31:33
Speaker 1: All the debriefs and stuff we do upstairs, they really
31:35
Speaker 1: are talking about this entire picture. They're trying to not
31:38
Speaker 1: get pigeonholed into all these various theories and motives because
31:42
Speaker 1: we're not entirely sure what they are right now. Once
31:46
Speaker 1: they get that picture, I think they're going to see something.
31:48
Speaker 1: He added, on TV, it's an hour long and then
31:52
Speaker 1: you have a solution. We're not into this 11 or
31:54
Speaker 1: 12 days and people are frustrated. They want a solution
31:57
Speaker 1: and we get that. In a criminal investigation, providing information
32:01
Speaker 1: is delicate. If we provide it, then potentially, we could
32:05
Speaker 1: ruin the investigation and the prosecution we hope to have.
32:08
Speaker 1: That is the ultimate goal. Bring justice through prosecution. And
32:13
Speaker 1: that really is the ultimate goal. And I know that
32:15
Speaker 1: everybody's frustrated because people want to know what went down here.
32:18
Speaker 1: It's human nature to want to know what went down.
32:21
Speaker 1: And especially when it has to do with four young
32:23
Speaker 1: people being murdered in cold blood. People want answers. But,
32:28
Speaker 1: I understand them wanting to protect the integrity here, considering
32:32
Speaker 1: especially what we just saw over in Delphi. Meanwhile, students
32:36
Speaker 1: have started returning to campus from Thanksgiving break and remain
32:40
Speaker 1: on edge as questions remain unanswered. The school has now
32:43
Speaker 1: announced it has increased security for the rest of the
32:45
Speaker 1: semester as some students plan to stay home or take
32:49
Speaker 1: more classes online. A candlelight vigil will also be held
32:53
Speaker 1: for the slain students on Wednesday in locations throughout the state.
32:57
Speaker 1: And you know that investigators are going to be vigilant
33:00
Speaker 1: throughout this whole entire thing, considering that the killer or
33:04
Speaker 1: killers could possibly show up to events like this. Now,
33:08
Speaker 1: are they going to? I don't know. But they have
33:11
Speaker 1: in the past. We know that killers, people who do
33:13
Speaker 1: this kind of thing, love to insert themselves. So I
33:17
Speaker 1: would guess that investigators are going to be on the
33:19
Speaker 1: lookout for that.
33:20
Speaker 2: However, it would take a whole lot.
33:22
Speaker 1: Of stupidity, in my opinion, if you were the killer,
33:25
Speaker 1: to stick around in a small place like Moscow after
33:29
Speaker 1: doing this. All right, folks, that's going to do it
33:31
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33:33
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33:43
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33:49
Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. The
33:53
Speaker 1: family of Kaylee Gonzalez has been very outspoken from the
33:58
Speaker 1: very beginning of the tragedy that occurred in the early
34:02
Speaker 1: morning hours on November 13th in Moscow, Idaho. And they're
34:06
Speaker 1: still very vocal about what they think should happen to
34:10
Speaker 1: the man that the state of Idaho says killed their daughter.
34:14
Speaker 1: And they're speaking out once again about the death penalty
34:17
Speaker 1: decision and also touching on the fact that the house
34:21
Speaker 1: is scheduled to be destroyed. Today we have an article
34:25
Speaker 1: from Law and Crime. Headline, Family of University of Idaho
34:29
Speaker 1: victim applauds Kohlberger death penalty decision. Concerned over plans to
34:34
Speaker 1: destroy the home of the Slangs. This article was authored
34:38
Speaker 1: by Annette Levy. The family of Kaylee Gonsalves, one of
34:42
Speaker 1: the four University of Idaho students killed last year, supports
34:46
Speaker 1: the decision to seek the death penalty against defendant Brian Kohlberger.
34:51
Speaker 1: But the family is concerned about plans the school has
34:55
Speaker 1: to demolish the home that was the scene of the
34:57
Speaker 1: quadruple homicide. And we talked about this a little bit.
35:00
Speaker 2: I could see that. Like, if I.
35:02
Speaker 1: Was somebody who just had their family member killed in
35:06
Speaker 1: this house and this trial was getting ready to start,
35:09
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want this house to be torn down yet either.
35:12
Speaker 1: I don't see the reason to tear it down so quickly.
35:15
Speaker 1: Let's wait until the jurors get a chance to go
35:18
Speaker 1: there if they want, just like we saw down with
35:20
Speaker 1: Alex Murdaugh. And what I really hope to avoid is
35:23
Speaker 1: later on down the road, Koberger's team saying, look, we
35:26
Speaker 1: didn't have so-and-so of a chance to go and see
35:28
Speaker 1: the house, so this whole entire trial should be thrown out.
35:32
Speaker 1: The last thing you want to do is give him
35:34
Speaker 1: any kind of out, right? Any kind of loophole, any
35:37
Speaker 1: kind of technicality. If he's going to get off on
35:40
Speaker 1: these charges, it's going to be because of merit, not
35:43
Speaker 1: because of a loophole, not because of a technicality. So
35:47
Speaker 1: with that in mind, I'd want the house to be
35:49
Speaker 1: kept standing. That way, we can go check it out
35:52
Speaker 1: once again if it's necessary. Koberger is pleaded not guilty
35:57
Speaker 1: to a burglary charge and murders of Gonsalves, Matty Mogan,
36:01
Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin at the off-campus home on King.
36:05
Speaker 2: Road last November.
36:07
Speaker 1: Earlier this week, prosecutors filed a notice of intent to
36:11
Speaker 1: seek the death penalty against Koberger, citing state statutes. The
36:15
Speaker 1: move was not unexpected, since Koberger's lead public defender, Ann Taylor,
36:20
Speaker 1: is qualified to try death penalty cases. And that's why
36:24
Speaker 1: he was assigned to her in the first place. Because
36:27
Speaker 1: when talking about the death penalty, it was never a
36:29
Speaker 1: matter of if, it was a matter of when they
36:32
Speaker 1: were going to announce it. So the state was cognizant
36:35
Speaker 1: of that fact when they were appointing a lawyer to
36:38
Speaker 1: defend Brian Koberger. I think it's a relief to the families,
36:42
Speaker 1: said Shannon Gray, the attorney representing the family of Gonsalves.
36:47
Speaker 1: Gray said prosecutor Bill Thompson met with Kaylee's parents, Stephen Christie,
36:52
Speaker 1: and her older sister Olivia to discuss the issue. And
36:56
Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen with all of the parents.
36:59
Speaker 1: The prosecution will sit down with everybody. They'll talk to them.
37:03
Speaker 1: and they'll make sure that everybody's on board, or at
37:05
Speaker 1: the very least, that they get everybody's input. And then
37:09
Speaker 1: from there, the prosecutor makes the decision whether to go
37:13
Speaker 1: after a capital punishment case or not. And obviously in
37:16
Speaker 1: this instance, there was no doubt that it was going
37:19
Speaker 1: to be a capital punishment case. Now the only question is,
37:23
Speaker 1: do they have enough evidence to push that ball over
37:26
Speaker 1: the goal line? The question really was posed, if you're
37:30
Speaker 1: not going to pursue the death penalty on a case
37:32
Speaker 1: like this, what kind of case would you ever pursue
37:35
Speaker 1: the death penalty on, Gray recalled. Gray spoke with Law
37:39
Speaker 1: and Crime this week after Judge John Judge revised and
37:43
Speaker 1: amended non-dissemination order the state and prosecution agreed to earlier
37:48
Speaker 1: this year. A coalition of media outlets, including Law and Crime,
37:52
Speaker 1: challenged the non-dissemination order as being overly broad and unclear. So,
37:58
Speaker 1: Now that it was pared back, you're seeing already how
38:00
Speaker 1: it's going to affect moving forward in the case as
38:03
Speaker 1: far as information. You have Shannon Gray talking to law
38:07
Speaker 1: and crime. You have the Gonsalves family talking to NBC
38:11
Speaker 1: and now talking to law and crime. And you'll continue
38:14
Speaker 1: to see more of that as we move forward here
38:17
Speaker 1: now that the gag order has been pared back. Judge
38:21
Speaker 1: Judge loosened restrictions on the order and clarified it. Attorneys
38:25
Speaker 1: involved in the case can speak as long as they
38:28
Speaker 1: don't make statements deemed prejudicial. Gray has also challenged the order,
38:33
Speaker 1: but lost his request to be exempt from it. He
38:36
Speaker 1: said he plans to appeal the judge's ruling. I don't
38:39
Speaker 1: think that's going to work out for Mr. Gray, but
38:41
Speaker 1: I understand why he's doing it. He wants to be
38:44
Speaker 1: the best advocate he possibly can be for the Gonsalves family.
38:48
Speaker 1: And to do that, he feels like the shackles have
38:51
Speaker 1: to be completely removed. Following the homicides last November... The
38:55
Speaker 1: off-campus home at 1122 King Road became a crime scene.
38:59
Speaker 1: Idaho State Police processed the home for evidence and guarded
39:03
Speaker 1: it 24 hours a day. On December 30th, the day
39:07
Speaker 1: Moscow Police announced Kohlberger's arrest, the home was nearly released
39:11
Speaker 1: to the property owner. That plan was halted when the
39:14
Speaker 1: court ordered that the house be preserved at the request
39:17
Speaker 1: of Kohlberger's defense team. Remember they had the specialists there,
39:21
Speaker 1: the experts? and they were recreating the crime scene from
39:25
Speaker 1: brian Kohlberger's perspective. That way, when they get in front
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Speaker 1: of the jury, they have a little something to hold
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Speaker 1: on to and they're not showing up with just their
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Speaker 1: ass in their hands like Lori Vallow's team did. Since then,
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Speaker 1: the prosecution and the defense have stated they no longer
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Speaker 1: need access to the home. Ownership of it has been
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Speaker 1: transferred to the University of Idaho and the school plans
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Speaker 1: to demolish the three-story home. which isn't sitting well with
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Speaker 1: the Gonsalves family. And again, I understand why. Look, the
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Speaker 1: last thing you want to do is have this come
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Speaker 1: up as an issue later on down the road. You
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Speaker 1: want to have all of your ducks in a row.
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Speaker 1: You want to make sure that all of the evidence
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Speaker 1: is airtight. Because now we're talking about another level of
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Speaker 1: evidence that's needed. This isn't just simply a life in
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Speaker 1: prison case. We're talking about capital punishment. So the burden
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Speaker 1: of proof is even higher. And from the Gonsalves family's perspective,
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Speaker 1: the last thing they want is there to be some
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Speaker 1: kind of technical issue that pops up that is an
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Speaker 1: impediment to getting this conviction. We have made it very
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Speaker 1: clear to the University of Idaho that we do not
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Speaker 1: want the house to be demolished and they are ignoring
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Speaker 1: us completely, Gray said. When I say ignoring us, I
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Speaker 1: mean that they respond and say, we understand what you're saying,
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Speaker 1: but basically, tough cookie. We're going to go ahead forward
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Speaker 1: with it because they say it's good for the community
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Speaker 1: and good for the University of Idaho. I think there's
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Speaker 1: some truth to that. Look, you don't want a bunch
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Speaker 1: of looky-loos there staring at this house and being a
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Speaker 1: bunch of true crime tourists. But at the same time,
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Speaker 1: I think with the right amount of security and the
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Speaker 1: right kind of fences and stuff like that, you can
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Speaker 1: avoid that. And then what you're doing is preserving the
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Speaker 1: scene where this crime occurred so that just in case
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Speaker 1: the investigators or anybody else have to go back to
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Speaker 1: this crime scene, it's available. And then after this trial,
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Speaker 1: then they can do whatever they want. The Gonsalves family
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Speaker 1: have found some comfort in caring for Kaylee's siblings and
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Speaker 1: welcoming a new grandchild into the family. They're looking toward
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Speaker 1: the trial and getting answers about what happened last November,
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Speaker 1: according to Gray, but they're concerned about the plan to
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Speaker 1: raise the crime scene. A lot of things I think
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Speaker 1: are important about that home, Gray said. There's sights and
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Speaker 1: sounds and viewpoints and angles. It's an odd-shaped house. Because
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Speaker 1: of the home's odd layout and its proximity to other homes,
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Speaker 1: Gray believes being inside the house could aid the jury
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Speaker 1: in seeing how someone could hear things in and around
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Speaker 1: it or not. A roommate who survived the homicides reported
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Speaker 1: to police that she saw a man, clad in black,
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Speaker 1: walking through the second floor that morning, according to the
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Speaker 1: probable cause affidavit. That roommate said she closed her door
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Speaker 1: and also heard crying and someone saying, let me help you.
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Speaker 2: It's not clear whether the.
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Speaker 1: Other surviving roommate on the first floor heard anything. We
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Speaker 1: haven't really heard much from Bethany Funk. Now, Dylan Mortensen
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Speaker 1: was obviously in the affidavit and told her story about
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Speaker 1: what she saw, but with Bethany, we haven't heard much
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Speaker 1: at all. And Brian Kohlberger's team, they were trying to
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Speaker 1: get her in for an interview, but the prosecution wasn't
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Speaker 1: having it, and that's when they initiated that grand jury
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Speaker 1: and got the indictment via the grand jury. A spokesperson
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Speaker 1: for the University of Idaho, Jody Walker, responded by email
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Speaker 1: to questions from Law and Crime about plans for the home.
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Speaker 1: This week, we began the process of removing the personal
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Speaker 1: items from the home for the families to claim, if
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Speaker 1: they wish. From there, we will move toward demolition. No
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Speaker 1: start date has been set. We have been in contact
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Speaker 1: with the families about the house since taking ownership last spring,
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Speaker 1: Walker wrote. Kohlberger's trial is set for October 2, 2023,
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Speaker 1: and could last six weeks. He remains held without bail
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Speaker 1: in the Latah County Jail. Now, I don't think that
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Speaker 1: this trial is going to kick off on the 2nd
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Speaker 1: because I think there's going to be way too much
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Speaker 1: for the defense to get through. But if it does
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Speaker 1: kick off on the 2nd, that'll be great. The sooner
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Speaker 1: we get the wheels of justice.
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Speaker 2: Moving here, the better.
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Speaker 1: And as far as the House goes, I don't think
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Speaker 1: that they're going to be able to do anything about
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Speaker 1: stopping it from being demolished. The court has released it
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Speaker 1: back to the owners. and the owners then gave the
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Speaker 1: house to the University of Idaho. Now, Idaho wants to
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Speaker 1: knock it down, and they have been given the go-ahead
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Speaker 1: from the state and from the court. So, this house
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Speaker 1: is probably going to be demolished, but I think that
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Speaker 1: they should wait until after this trial.
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Speaker 2: Will they wait?
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Speaker 1: Well, that remains to be seen. All right, folks, that's
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