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😎 Darling Bish Hour: Summer House Reunion pt. 2 with Bish Therapist · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody. Hi, Hi, Hi, guess who this is. It's
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: your girls for another episode of Darling Bish Hour.
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  Speaker 2: We're back. We are back. Melissa and Amy I hear
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  Speaker 2: and boy oh boy, are we gonna dig deep. Melissa
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  Speaker 2: has her golden shovel out to dig therapeutically into this.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I've got I've got my gilded shovel,
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  Speaker 2: as it were, and I'm going to dig around and
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  Speaker 2: see what I can see. We're gonna talk about Summerhouse.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna mention it all. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the second part of the Summerhouse Reunion, which I
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  Speaker 1: had so many notes on that I honestly initially had
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  Speaker 1: like thirty slides and I'm like, this is a class.
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  Speaker 1: This is too many slides.
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  Speaker 3: So I got to join Melissa at the Learning Addicts
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  Speaker 3: this Saturday from twelve to to talk about Park two
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  Speaker 3: of reunion.
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  Speaker 1: It was that ridiculous. So what I said on my
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  Speaker 1: Instagram was I had to pare it down to I
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: still think I had like thirteen slides, and I said,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to hear us talk about all of it,
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  Speaker 1: we're podcasting about it. And so here we are to
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  Speaker 1: talk about all of the insane pieces and Amy, I'm
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  Speaker 1: so glad you're here to do this because there were
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  Speaker 1: some really funny moments, and then you know, there was
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  Speaker 1: like a little bit of light in the dark.
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  Speaker 2: Hot second Kyle Annie's tippies. I mean, Lindsay had so
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  Speaker 2: many hilarious she is killing me this reunion. I just
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  Speaker 2: I've fallen in love with Lindsay all over again, you know,
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  Speaker 2: especially in light of she and Carl's essentially they're peacemaking.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it was really sweet to me to
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  Speaker 1: see because one thing that we forgot through that horrendous
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  Speaker 1: season last year of their breakup is that Lindsay and
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  Speaker 1: Carl have a really sweet friend love, mutual respect and chemistry.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the funny thing. So Carl had kJ on
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  Speaker 1: his podcast and one of the things that he talked
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  Speaker 1: about was the Internet noticing how he and Lindsay are
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  Speaker 1: having like they have this chemistry. And Carl said, even
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  Speaker 1: his mother said, wait a second, are you guys thinking
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  Speaker 1: of getting back together?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't handle another awkward the moment
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  Speaker 2: between those two.
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  Speaker 1: I know, but Carl's like, no, He's like, I understand
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  Speaker 1: what the Internet sees. I understand what people are seeing.
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  Speaker 1: They do have the sweet kinship. It was just nice
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  Speaker 1: to see that this reunion because it was filled with I've.
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  Speaker 2: Wondered it too. So he said no, I mean said no, well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe not now, maybe later, I don't know, but no,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they're meant to be together, but they
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  Speaker 2: are meant to have this type of chemistry and to
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  Speaker 2: have a friendship, which, right, I'm glad that they're able
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  Speaker 2: to get a handle on now. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: when Amanda had an issue with Lindsey and Carl basically
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  Speaker 2: like dunking in on you know, monetizing on that, and
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  Speaker 2: when she said I would never do that to you,
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  Speaker 2: there was not one centimeter of room for that to
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  Speaker 2: be accepted in that room on any level, no matter
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  Speaker 2: if she even had remotely of a ten percent point,
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  Speaker 2: there was no room for that to be accepted, including myself.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, please stop, stop right now. You
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  Speaker 2: should be so lucky that someone is actually trying to
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  Speaker 2: make light of this. And by the way, it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: Kyle that was doing it, although actually he was through
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  Speaker 2: lover boy, I take that back. He was monetizing that.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of it his lover boy is booming now
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  Speaker 2: because of this, So.
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  Speaker 1: Which listen, here's here's the honest thing. I think it
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  Speaker 1: was so funny when Amanda said that, because to me,
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  Speaker 1: what I'm seeing with Amanda is a lot of jealousy
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  Speaker 1: right that she is now the villain and other people
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  Speaker 1: are getting opportunities based on what's going on. Which, listen,
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  Speaker 1: I understand, I'm sure that doesn't feel good. But when
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  Speaker 1: Sierra was like, oh, so you wouldn't monetize, but you
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  Speaker 1: would fuck your best friend's ex cool, and I was like, listen, Sierra,
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  Speaker 1: no lives detected. One thing I really want to say
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  Speaker 1: out the gate is that Nick Vile or vile, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just gonna call him vile because he is vile said
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  Speaker 1: that Mia and Sierra were being aggressive. Did you see that?
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  Speaker 2: No? I did not see that. He said that on
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  Speaker 2: his podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he said that Sierra and Mia were being aggressive, And.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, so, in what context in this reunion they're
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  Speaker 2: being aggressive by facetiming and talking about how West has
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  Speaker 2: played them both.
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  Speaker 1: No, this was even before the second part of the reunion.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was after the first part.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, you're talking about Mia on the cast
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  Speaker 2: at Summerhouse, not Mia, the one he was in an
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  Speaker 2: exclusive relationship with.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha, yes, thank you, yes, yes, Because you're right, there
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  Speaker 1: are those confusing pieces, But I I just want to
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  Speaker 1: say that, like Sierra has every right the things that
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  Speaker 1: she's saying. By the way, they sound harsh, but they
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  Speaker 1: are spot on, ye, and they're not harsh. And like
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  Speaker 1: my one main point is that a manage mental health
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  Speaker 1: matters and she deserves to be attended to, but not
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  Speaker 1: by Sierra anymore. Amanda lost that privilege and Sierra doesn't
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  Speaker 1: owe her anything. So it's just like a friendly reminder
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  Speaker 1: about how women of color are painted with this aggressive
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  Speaker 1: brush when they're.
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe he said that, I honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah really I can.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah he does. I mean to even like to
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  Speaker 2: not be that aware to have such a huge podcast
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  Speaker 2: platform that he would say something like that and has
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  Speaker 2: he apologized for this? Is is this something that we
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  Speaker 2: know Amy?
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  Speaker 1: No girl, No, honey, Nick, he doesn't know Apologies. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know her, that's what Nick says. Apologies. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know her. But listen, mediocre men love to take a
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  Speaker 1: platform and say the crazy these things and then have
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  Speaker 1: no consequences is yes, it's amazing to me, but anyway.
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  Speaker 2: You know, by the way, in terms of that, I
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  Speaker 2: have felt like Part one and Part two at least
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  Speaker 2: at this point, unless people are throwing things at Amanda,
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  Speaker 2: I think they're all handling it quite well, and they're
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  Speaker 2: communicating their feelings, their points, their questions extremely on point,
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  Speaker 2: and the anger from other cast members, I don't feel
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  Speaker 2: is out of place. So when you take Mia for example,
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  Speaker 2: when she's asking pointed questions, these are questions that everybody
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  Speaker 2: has that someone needs to ask other than Sierra, because
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  Speaker 2: she's not going to have the mental capacity to ask
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  Speaker 2: what where, when, how, time plays timeline, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: also Amanda, why did you do this? These types of things,
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  Speaker 2: So I think that they're doing a great job. And
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  Speaker 2: then Lindsey coming in and handing West his ass every
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  Speaker 2: few minutes, and then also having comedic relief the fact
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  Speaker 2: that Kyle can hold it together so much is unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: And then we've got very emotionally intelligent men on the
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  Speaker 2: other side like Jesse and kJ and Carl, who are
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  Speaker 2: all in tears at different times, who are empathetic, who
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  Speaker 2: are compassionate in every which way, So I applaud everybody
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  Speaker 2: except for West and Amanda, who are not doing a
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  Speaker 2: good job.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's like, and what's frustrating the cast and why
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  Speaker 1: you're right that they're actually doing a great job is
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  Speaker 1: because Amanda and West are peeing on our leg and
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  Speaker 1: telling us that it's raining, and they're essentially like saying
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  Speaker 1: they're accountable while doing the exact opposite of what true
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  Speaker 1: accountability is. And another thing that Carl said on his
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  Speaker 1: podcast was he was sitting next to Amanda and West
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  Speaker 1: and He's like, I could not feel any emotion from them.
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  Speaker 1: And like Carl kJ Jesse, they're all very sensitive souls, right.
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  Speaker 1: You could see with those men the literal pain on
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  Speaker 1: their faces, like Jesse. I swear I teared up a
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  Speaker 1: few times because Kyle and Jesse they would make these
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  Speaker 1: faces like they were physically in pain. And I just
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  Speaker 1: think it's a really great reminder that these people are
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  Speaker 1: showing no empathy, which is the only thing psychologically that
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  Speaker 1: really can't be fixed, like empathy. I know, it's like empathy, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: exhibit either have it or you don't. And now, of
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  Speaker 1: course there are there are levels, right like people like
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  Speaker 1: you and I we probably I would argue you have
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  Speaker 1: too much empathy. I think there was a mistake at
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  Speaker 1: the factory when I was being made and I just
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  Speaker 1: got all of it, like my family got none of it.
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  Speaker 1: And they're like, this child will have all of it
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  Speaker 1: and her family will have none of it. And I
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  Speaker 1: think I think that's what CAJ is reacting to. When
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  Speaker 1: you grow up with parents who lack empathy and have
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  Speaker 1: really scary characteristics, your nervous system recognizes that. And I
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  Speaker 1: believe that kJ when he was telling his story about
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  Speaker 1: you know, he talked to Wes and he was like,
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  Speaker 1: I grew up my dad was a pathological liar and
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  Speaker 1: a cheater, and I watched him destroy our family. And
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  Speaker 1: that's why kJ has a lot of the trauma that
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  Speaker 1: he has, and he can see it now in West.
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  Speaker 1: He can recognize that in West, and so I think
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  Speaker 1: that this cannot be overstated enough, that this is why
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  Speaker 1: this is a big deal, because this was a family
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  Speaker 1: of people who were lied to, who were deceived, and
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  Speaker 1: who are sitting in front of people who they thought
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  Speaker 1: were their friends and they just don't seem to care.
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  Speaker 2: I also enjoyed how kJ made a point to say,
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  Speaker 2: you also had that conversation, that very deep and meaningful
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  Speaker 2: conversation in the Hampton's out to dinner about race and
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  Speaker 2: and you said a lot of the things that were
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  Speaker 2: important to them. To then have Sierra be treated in
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  Speaker 2: this way when you've said what you said is also
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  Speaker 2: very disturbing. And I thought it was really a poignant
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  Speaker 2: moment to touch on. I know that we as like fans,
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  Speaker 2: have touched on that, and we all could see Sierra
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  Speaker 2: very emotional with kJ mentioning that. And boy does he
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  Speaker 2: do a great job with speaking on these matters, because
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  Speaker 2: it seems like if kJ or Mia doesn't point this out,
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  Speaker 2: it's you know, to leave it to like right, I
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  Speaker 2: mean I think that it's it's great if you know
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  Speaker 2: someone who is called Cajun says it, but it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have enough weight. You know, when when you hear it
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  Speaker 2: from Mia or caj it just it really it hits you.
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  Speaker 2: It hits you, and it's more profound and you understand
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  Speaker 2: it better. And I'm just glad you spoke on it
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  Speaker 2: to mekj.
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  Speaker 1: Is like the MVP because he is managing a lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff and I think, you know, watching this, I
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  Speaker 1: understood what led to his psychiatric hospitalization, Like I understood
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  Speaker 1: how this all started to happen, because yes, because so
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  Speaker 1: I talked about on my last podcast what borderline personality
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  Speaker 1: disorder is and how it's very mischaracterized and misjudged weaponized
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the time. So what happened was kJ,
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  Speaker 1: his father figure growing up, was very absent. He would
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  Speaker 1: make a lot of promises and then not follow through.
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  Speaker 1: He would do a lot of things to harm kJ
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  Speaker 1: and his mother in a lot of different ways. So
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  Speaker 1: kJ explained that he has been having hard times trusting
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  Speaker 1: males in relationships right, which is totally totally understandable.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting that West and him connected because isn't it
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  Speaker 2: true that like you kind of end up sort of
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  Speaker 2: gravitating taking out are people in toxic ways. So that
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  Speaker 2: is incredibly interesting to me. And then for him to
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  Speaker 2: recognize that so clearly right now is really a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's because he went to treatment. And
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  Speaker 1: not only did he go to treatment, he was psychiatrically hospitalized,
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  Speaker 1: and then he went to a recovery center that he
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  Speaker 1: got a scholarship based on Carl. So Carl works with
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  Speaker 1: this recovery center. I think it's just called recovery, and
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  Speaker 1: CAJ was talking about how this was on Carl's podcast,
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  Speaker 1: how he was homeless after the show. He didn't have
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  Speaker 1: anywhere to live. Hej Yeah, he was staying with Sierra,
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  Speaker 1: he was staying with Mia. And then when all of
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  Speaker 1: this stuff started to happen, it impacted kJ so much
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  Speaker 1: because here he is very vulnerable, first year person on
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  Speaker 1: the show. Right, he went from a regular person to
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  Speaker 1: a celebrity overnight. And then and he has this group
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  Speaker 1: of guys who they literally felt like brothers. And now
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  Speaker 1: he's experiencing that same trauma with West, where West he
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  Speaker 1: realized like Wes was lying to his face. West was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, doing all of these things and he clearly
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  Speaker 1: doesn't care. And it triggered Kj's stuff. It triggered all
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  Speaker 1: of his stuff, which in reality ended up being a
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  Speaker 1: blessing in disguise, meaning like his rock bottom to help him.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like this issue, this summerhouse issue, triggered his
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  Speaker 1: stuff that hasn't popped up since high school.
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  Speaker 2: WHOA so that the timeline actually lines up with him
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  Speaker 2: going into a mental health facility after he found out
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  Speaker 2: about West and Amanda.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it was after he found out because
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  Speaker 1: he said it was in the fall. But what he
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  Speaker 1: was saying is that when he left Summerhouse, like do
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  Speaker 1: you remember the last episode, kJ was like sleeping a lot.
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  Speaker 1: He was sleeping through things, and Dre was just like,
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  Speaker 1: he's really tired. So his depression had started to come
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  Speaker 1: back because his life was in this uncertain place in
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  Speaker 1: Summerhouse was a great distraction. They compared it to like
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  Speaker 1: a NASA mission, where like you're in this spaceship of
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  Speaker 1: Summerhouse and then you come back down to Earth and
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  Speaker 1: you go back to your life. And kJ was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what my life is. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because borderline personality disorder features a lot of
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  Speaker 1: like self distorted views and not understanding like who we
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: are in relation to ourselves others in the world. And
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  Speaker 1: so what I'm saying is a lot of those unresolved
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  Speaker 1: issues were triggered by that alone, and then this stuff
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  Speaker 1: with West really threw him for a loop because it
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  Speaker 1: triggered a lot of his childhood stuff. So I say
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  Speaker 1: that because again psychologically, to me, it was so interesting
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  Speaker 1: to start putting these puzzle pieces together about how kJ
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  Speaker 1: was so imp pacted, but really why everyone is so
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  Speaker 1: upset about this is because you see everyone on that
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  Speaker 1: cast just like so upset and so betrayed, and that
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  Speaker 1: is very real.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, I did not realize that about kJ. That is
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  Speaker 2: so fascinating. Did he speak on why he didn't have
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: anywhere to live? I mean what happened? Like where was
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: he living before the show? And he how was he
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: living in New York City.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't get into all the details either that I
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: was listening to it on hyperspeed too, because I was
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: frantically trying to it listen before he podcasted, So there
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: were definitely some details city either I missed or he
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  Speaker 1: didn't give. But what I learned is that Mia and
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  Speaker 1: Sierra were the ones who were like, you need to
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  Speaker 1: go to the hospital. And kJ had trauma from being
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: hospitalized before because as a teenager when he was acting
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  Speaker 1: out from self injurious behavior, which he and this is
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  Speaker 1: a trigger warning, he admitted to cutting, which is his
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: form of self injurious behavior. He said the last time
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  Speaker 1: he had a crisis like this was in high school.
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  Speaker 1: His mom had to hospitalize him and just sobbed and
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  Speaker 1: sobbed and sobbed because it was like the best thing
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  Speaker 1: for him, but a lot of times treatment centers they
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  Speaker 1: come with a lot of stuff that can also create
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  Speaker 1: a lot of trauma and bad experiences unfortunately. And so
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  Speaker 1: this time kJ was talking to his mother about Mia
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  Speaker 1: and Sierra think that I should go in, and his
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  Speaker 1: mother was like, well, I'm afraid that this will trigger
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  Speaker 1: your trauma, and me and Sierra were basically like, no,
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  Speaker 1: he has to go, and he did. So again, I
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  Speaker 1: share all this because Mia, Sierra and caj are literally
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  Speaker 1: a family unit. They really are. So seeing kJ stand
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  Speaker 1: up for Sierra, seeing him represent being one of the
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  Speaker 1: few men of call or on this show period historically, right,
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  Speaker 1: I love seeing them really see each other and have
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  Speaker 1: each other's back, because that's the problem with West and Amanda.
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  Speaker 1: Sierra said, you satiated me, which I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's such a good word. You satiated me by using
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: therapy language, but you didn't see me at all. And
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: she's right because it's proven in this reunion. And one
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  Speaker 1: thing I wanted to point out is that at the
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: end when West and Amanda were like processing, which was
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  Speaker 1: so weird, and we can talk about that in a moment.
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  Speaker 1: One thing that Wes said, which shows me this point
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  Speaker 1: that he doesn't get it at all. Is he told Amanda,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Sierra just wants to get under your skin. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I was it was chilling because I'm like, tell
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  Speaker 1: me you don't get it without telling me that you
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  Speaker 1: don't get it, Like that is a crazy thing to
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  Speaker 1: say about this woman after what you two have done.
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  Speaker 1: Youth right, that's what this is. She's devastated. She's like
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  Speaker 1: he it just that moment. I was like, oh, Wes
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  Speaker 1: brain is different. His brain is just different.
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  Speaker 2: At least it's active. I was concerned that it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: quite registering because I did find that moment when they're
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: together alone and actually speaking on what's happening, because that's
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  Speaker 2: all we want to see. We really want to see
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  Speaker 2: how they're actually communicating about this, because they're not showing
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  Speaker 2: us and they're certainly not telling us what they have
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  Speaker 2: talked about. It's all a secret. But for him to say,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just be calm, apologize, and I thought, well,
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  Speaker 2: are you so you're just telling her to do that,
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  Speaker 2: like you're not telling yourself to do that. We haven't
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  Speaker 2: heard much from you at all. And she immediately turned
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: on herself and went inward and was like I can
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  Speaker 2: do better. So now she's taking her cues from him,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: like he is steering the ship, if you will, And
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: she has let him just completely take over her, just
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: like she let Kyle take over her, right.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: And that's just what I was going to say, is
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: she jumped ship from Kyle to West.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: And what I said last week is that Amanda has
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: been in the passenger side of her life forever. I
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: believed that she has extremely low self esteem, very very
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: significant insecurity. I believe she has a distorted sense of self.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I've noticed a couple of red flags with her behavior
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: around food and her body and things like that. And
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: so what I think is happening is Amanda is a
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: victim of her own life, not understanding how she gives
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: away her autonomy to men. So she got tired of
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: what Kyle was doing with her autonomy, so she manipulated
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: the cast into doing her dirty work and then just
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: jump ship. Now West is telling her what to do,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: and it's like, if West is your guide, you in danger, girl,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: You are in real danger.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I get giving up your autonomy. I've done that. I
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: did that so when I was young, and it lasted
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: for such a long time and I was so fortunate
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: to gain it back because many people don't. It's like
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: having a second chance of life, because it is so
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: vastly different from the years that you live not having
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: your own persona, you know, and just subletting your soul
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: to somebody and you don't really even know who you
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: are anymore because that person is the dictator of your
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: life and you're in pain and you know it, and
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: yet you let them do that. It is a level
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: of self harm in many ways because you become addicted
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: to that feeling of misery and unique to be controlled,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: and then the emotional lows that you experience. You're not
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: used to having any real peaceful stability, so it's too
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: hard to like know that even exists, to like jump
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: to another ship that is like the peace ship.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Right. That's so well said, Amy, because what happens is
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: humans will always recreate on healthy relational dynamics that we
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: aren't aware of. If we are not aware of it,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: how on earth could we change it? And so what
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: happens is when we live subconsciously. And you're right, I've
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: done that in my life too, in my earlier dating relationships.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: This is something many people do. Yeah, And it's no shade.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Trauma isn't our fault, but it is our responsibility to fix.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: And if we don't work on it or understand it
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: at the very least, humans will recreate these unhealthy patterns.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: And because Amanda didn't give herself any time between these relationships,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: she is repeating the same patterns, frankly in worse, more
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: concerning ways because Kyle. Listen, Kyle has his stuff right.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: He certainly they didn't have a good marriage. I don't
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: think he was a good husband. But Kyle really cares
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: about Amanda. He has empathy and understanding about the things
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: that are going on, whereas West does not have any
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: of that. And this is what happens. Not only did
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: she make a similar choice, she made a worse choice.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that Kyle has empathy on the back end.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: And I'm not ready to like wave my Kyle flag
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: because oh, certainly, yes, I know, I'm sure you agree,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: but I honestly feel like so much of what we're
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: seeing from Kyle is relief that his business is doing well.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I swear to God, because he was never going to
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: give her what she kept asking for, and so I
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: just want to remind everybody that like we got here
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: because of what he was doing, and that doesn't mean
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: that she is obviously, you know, not responsible for the
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: choices that she made. She stayed, like why are you
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: staying in this situation? And I know it gets more
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: complicated because of reality television and you're looking at the
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: like Ariana Sandoval situation, and I feel like those two
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: when you look at them, both they have very similar
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: structures in that they're both kind of trapped in this
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: brand and this thing, and then they can't really make
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: two biggest swings publicly because they got to lock it down,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: which is why they end up doing this stuff in secret.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: So because they need to get out in some sort
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: of way, and where are they going to go. They
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: can't go to public places. They have to go within
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: and find the perfect secret person to do that to
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: like express themselves from the unhappiness of what their partner
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: is in giving them instead of making good choice, Melissa,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: but Kyle from the jump was cheating on her, you know,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: before they got married, she chose to like continue on.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: She was young, didn't understand probably and made that choice.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: But here we are, and it's the million dollar question
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: that comes up in this reunion, which is did he
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: cheat on her when they were married? And so that's
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: what I've been waiting to hear the answer to. I
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: don't know if Kyle is fully like being honest with
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: us here. That's what I'm a little worried about. What
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: are your thoughts?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, your point is super valid in that, like
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the audience is so fickle, right, So first Amanda was
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: like the savior and Kyle was the villain, and now
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: it's totally flip flopped, and the reality lies that all
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: parties when a relationship ruptures beyond repair, the people involved
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: are both responsible. And it may not be fifty to fifty,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: but both of them played a role. And what I
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: felt was interesting is that Kyle did seem to get defensive,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: but I think I understand the reason why. So Amanda's
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: on the couch trying to say, well, you cheated, and
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: you did this and you did that to distract from
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: her own stuff that she should be accountable for. So
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: my perception is some of Kyle's defensiveness and like parsing
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: out semantics with like was I inappropriate? Yes? Did I
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: have an affair?
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: No?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Did I sleep with someone?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: No?
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Right, it's all too little, too late. But I think
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that his frustration is because it's like, well, who cares.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: You may have had an emotional affair. So like Kyle's
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: acting out behavior was a lot louder and messier and
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: like in your face, but Amanda's is quieter, it's quietly manipulative,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: it's more secretive, it's more underhanded, And I think that's
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: what's making Kyle wacky in terms of like his anger
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: and his defensiveness, because he said the one thing he
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: said on the reunion that I was like, bro, just
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: proved what I've been saying for months. He goes, I
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: feel you were having everyone in the house do your
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: bidding while I was looking like the bad guy. And
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: now Kyle was the bad guy because of his insane behaviors,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Like when you act that way, always drunk, yeah, when
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: you act that way, yeah, when you're in it, when
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: you're like super insoxigated and just like having king Baby tantrums,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: You're always going to be the bad guy no matter
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: what someone else is doing. But he does have points
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: that with West and Amanda, there's a lot of secrecy,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: and again for me, these are red flags because secrets
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: keep us sick. Like within the addiction recovery mill. You
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: one thing that's completely understood is how dangerous secrecy can
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: be in terms of maintaining these like really unhealthy dynamics.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: And so I sometimes I do. I think West and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Amanda there wounds match each other so well.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Sierra said it, Yeah, actually scary. Yeah, that's wild to
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: hear you say that. I mean, as just a pedestrian
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: over here in therapy, I think that I see that.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people see that. Sierra clearly
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: sees it. She has a different way of explaining it,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: which was like it burns city. But it completely makes sense.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: And I think people on the reunion even touched on
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: it this time, and while we were watching this season,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: it made so much sense. Amanda is perfect for West
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: because she's married, so he doesn't need to really commit.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: It's like a perfect situation. And then West is a
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: perfect fit for Amanda because he's a great distraction. He's
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: around no one will ever know. Why would I do this?
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: In plain sight? And and I'm completely safe because I'm married,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: and so why would I. I can flirt as hard
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: and go as far as I want, and it's totally
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: fine because I'm married.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. That's exactly right. It's like it's it's
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the lure of the forbidden fruit.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and what do they have left now, Melissa? Because
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: now that's gone? So what is going to happen? Because
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: like the way that they communicate now, it's like they've
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: been together for eight years. The way that she's like,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: don't eat that right now we're taking a break, and
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: don't do that with your mouth, it's like the bickering
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: has begun.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and did you catch he told her try not
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: to be so snippy? And I thought, sir, sir, sir,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I she did.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Not catch that? How did I not catch that? Where
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: was that in the dressing room?
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: So at the end when they're in the dressing room, yep,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and they're processing, and West is telling her how to
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: manipulate people, essentially by like, well, just pretend to apologize
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and be home, but you don't actually have to have
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: any of those pesky feelings. Like that was such a
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: red flag for me.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Wow, right right? Yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: But then when he's telling.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Her to apologize, yes, and oh oh, and to not
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: be snippy.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: No, when he says he says, don't be snippy, she
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: put the blanket like over her, and she says, oh,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I can do do better.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Okay. So I heard her do that. I did not
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: hear him say try not to be snippy. Don't be snippy.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, Anti Merle, the hell is wrong with you?
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I was like, don't be snippy. She is being of
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: like appropriately eviscerated, right, But it's like, don't be snippy.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: That's your advice to her. And then the other piece
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: of advice he had for her, which was such red
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: flags when she left the first time, and Lindsay was like,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: go after my mother. I clapped for mother. Hubbard in
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: that moment claps be a man and go get your
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: girla It was. But do you know what's crazy? So
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: West is only concerned with impression management, which impression management
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: is like it's it's a term that can exist on
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: a spectrum from unproblematic to pathological, like indicative of a
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: pathological behavior. So there's a huge swing. But impression management
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: is like being concerned with how you are being perceived.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: So West is really only concerned. He doesn't care about
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: how people feel, he doesn't care about how he's made
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: them feel. He only cares about how he's being perceived.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Case in point, when Lindsay said go after your girl,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Wes said, well, why so then you guys could just
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: eviscerate me for leaving two? And I was yeah, right,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: right right, yeah are you twelve? Like what are what
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: are you talking about? But that told me he doesn't
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: care about Amanda or anyone. He just cares about managing
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: his impressions of this.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Right, Oh he doesn't hear one continue to get laid right,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: he had no. The fact that he didn't go after
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: her is that we shouldn't be surprised, but that we
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: got to see that happen. I wondered if she would
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: walk off, what was going to happen? And exactly what
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I anticipated did, which is that he sat there like
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: a bump on a log and probably realized that he
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: missed his small window of getting up because like, so
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: she gets up and leaves. If he doesn't get up
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: and leave within about ten seconds, he looks like already
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: an idiot. So now the ten seconds is gone. Now
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: it's awkward, so he has enough time to formulate, well,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: someone's going to say something to me why I left?
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Because it's too late now to leave, And someone's going
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: to say something immediately, So if someone says something, I'll
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: just flip it back on them. That's his quick thinking
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: to massage how to control people and to project by
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: saying like, oh, well then you're just gonna get mad
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: at me. So it's like, oh nice child.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: It didn't work, no, But what was so fascinating is
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: that Kyle when he said go after her to make
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: sure she's okay, and then he did yea, And I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: felt in that moment that is why this is all
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: like a shroom induced fever dream because her current husband,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: because they haven't even started the process of divorce, they're
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: not even legally separated at this reunion. But what is
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: so crazy to me is on in the city. Well, okay,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: hold on, before I go to that piece, let me
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: put a pin in that.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: West Wild goes to check in on Amanda, and he
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: literally it's like he went to the principal's office because
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: he was told to do it.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: He came in he was just like perfect way to
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: say it, yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Right where it's like, well, your husband told me I
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: need to come check on you, So how are you
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: like so lacking of care and concern? And then his
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: advice to Amanda again was if you have to cry
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: on stage? Yeah, cry on stage?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:15
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  Speaker 1: But on in the City, Yeah, going back to that,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: here's why this show is proving Amanda and West wrong.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Because on this episode of In the City, Sierra West
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: and Amanda meet together. They hold hands, they talk about
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: how they're the sweetest little trio of best friends, and
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Amanda tells West and Sierra that she's moving out. Right,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: West puts his arm. I took a picture of it
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: because it's so telling. He puts his arm on Amanda's shoulder,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: and he says, Oh great, are you proud? Are you happy?
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Like just really gave himself away. But what she's telling
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Kyle is that she's moving out. She signed a year
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: lease without telling Kyle.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: No, he doesn't tell Kyle anything, not about the statement
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: to Bravo, not about signing a year lease.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: No, sir, secrets, secrets. Secrets are no fun. Secret Secrets
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: hurt someone. That is It's true though, and so I.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Think secrets are no fun. Secrets secrets hurts someone. Why
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: is it to end in men day?
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I know I want to hear Lindsay say that. I
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: really do. But the point is she is on in
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: the city trying to tell Kyle, I'm moving out. I'm
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: signing a year lease, even though I told you we
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: were going to do month to month, but I promised
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: this is so we can stay together.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Right, We're not separating. No, we're not. This isn't a
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: separating I'm just gonna be like here for a year.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's like again that's where she's like peeing
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: on her leg and telling us it's raining. It's like, yeah,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: if that's not a legal separation, I don't know what is,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: but she can't have it. Always like she's claiming that
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: she did nothing wrong and there wasn't an emotional fare,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: but it's like you're lying to everyone about everything, and
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: that is the problem. Yeah, there was a way where
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: she could have done this and come out probably with
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: like this archangel storyline or whatever, but she didn't have
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: the capability to do it because she does not know
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: how to communicate like her and Kyle. Do you remember
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: when he said that they used the show for communication.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that didn't take a much convincing. I mean
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: that was pretty clear that they didn't talk for the
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: entire time or worked out anything or when they weren't
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: on the show, And then they would come on the
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: show and they're like, yeah, so did you want to
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: get into couples therapy? And I'm like, you fucking guys
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: have been talking about this for two summers. Yeah, someone's
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: got to pull the trigger here.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: But that explains how it was happening because they weren't
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: doing any work talking outside of the show, and they
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: would save it for the show. And I just I
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: wanted to make an immediate meme that was like, if
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I send you this, it means you need to go
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: to therapy immediately, because when Summer House is like your
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: form of therapy, well, no, wonder why this is crashing
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: and burning in such a spectacular manner, because when the
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: show was your thing, like that's insane.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: It almos supposed to me that the show in itself
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: was the reason why they didn't get divorced sooner, one
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: hundred percent, Like now I know for sure. I mean,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: not that, I guess I should have known that. But
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: once they have a summer, they're on that high. They've
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: done a job, they do all this press, you know,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: that takes them well into the year of like finally
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: shooting it, coming down from that, then getting back up
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: to do the press for the like the premiere and everything.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: So it's this cyclical thing to where there's not a
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: lot of time for them to bottom out for a
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: long actual span of time for them to really make
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: a big swift move out, which I think is why
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Amanda just went, well, I'll just pop over here. Let
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: me mention this. It sounded like in this part too,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: that one of the reasons why she, well, at least
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: she was saying, it's one of the reasons why she
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: was hesitant to tell Sierra what was going on was
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: she and West is because she was embarrassed that she
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: was seeing someone or had feelings for someone and kissed
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: someone that was seeing someone else, And that was the
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: thing that stopped her from really truly being honest with Sierra.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: And when Sierra said, yeah, that is embarrassing, that's the
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: thing that put her over that she looks like.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: You're exactly right, Yes, so exactly right.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: So what I'm asking Amanda, is it is it that
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: you would have told Sierra if West wasn't dating anyone else?
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying, right, Because I think I
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: think the most telling part of those statements, because that's
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: the thing Amanda and West tell on themselves constantly, if
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: you know what to look for the fact that that's
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: why she was embarrassed to tell Sierra, not because of
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Sierra's feelings or not because of how it would make
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Sierra feel.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Right, right, that is focus was more on that. Yeah,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: The focus was way was how am.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I going to be perceived? Which again is why she
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: and West are perfect for each other.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Can you explain to me that part last reunion when
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Sierra said the thing about like, yeah, Amanda's perfect for
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Wes because she's mute and West needs somebody where it's
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: going to spotlight on him the whole time, and she
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: looked up and like did this weird thing with her
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: tongue and was like holding back tears. But it just
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: was so odd to me because I don't know, like,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I don't like, why would you cry like that. I'm sorry,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I just want to stand it. It's little narcis Was
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: it a show showy thing? What was that?
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: No? No, because here's the thing. People who have narcissistist
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: traits and tendencies, which by the way, is all of us,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: myself included. But people who have more the mischaracterization is
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: that they don't have feelings. They do. They just have
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: feelings about themselves over other people. So I believe Amanda
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: was hurt because Sierra was right. It was a harsh read,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: but she was not wrong about exactly that Amanda is
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: the weak figure that West needs, which Darrow when she
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: came out, she said it in a very calm, eloquent,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: really well spoken piece, which is that this is the
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: West Show. It is and always will be the West Show,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: and he wants people to think that he's a good guy,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: and then he treats the women who give themselves to
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: him as expendable. And I believe believe that when Sierra
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: said it, it hurt Amanda, and so she had that
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: physical reaction. But when Dara said it because it was
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: more reasonably said. I guarantee that that is what led
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Amanda to, at the end of the day, say, they're
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: making me feel stupid for trusting you. Because when when
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: people are giving us truth but it's harsh, we get defensive.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Or yeah, brush, it's easy to let it settle.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But when Dara said it, it was just literally
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: like it was out of care and concern. It was
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: really well said, really appropriately said. And I guarantee that
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: that is what led Amanda to wake up and be and.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: She gave her an interesting thought, which was, I guess
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: the question for you is like how much of you
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: are you going to sacrifice for him? And it was
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: more of an empowering statement. I felt that the future
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: of Amanda's life is in her own hands. And now
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: we've told you, I've told you how he is. You
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: can take it or leave it, but really the choice
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: is up to you. And I did think that that
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: was a beautiful way of putting it.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: How she approached it as a therapist and asked, someone
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: who has had to give people really tough feedback time
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: and time again, that is the way to do it
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: so that they will hear it and not make you
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: the villain or the issue. She literally that was like
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: therapist level communication and expression.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: You don't say that on the Housewives.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Oh no, like no. And that's why I like Derera
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: because she you know, I know there's a lot of
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: stuff going on with her in kJ but she just
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: said it so well. There was one thing she said,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: like West is looking for someone who will mold and
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: fold without excuse or complaint, and I was just like girl,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: it was spot on, with scary precision. And I do
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: think that what will happen now is Amanda and West
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: are just left to their own devices without the kink
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: of the drama or the kink of the secrecy or
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: the hiding. And I'm going to be honest, I only
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: see two outcomes here. One is that they break up,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: and two is that they stay together but are just
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: really unhappy. But that would be my guest because I
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: both care well, right, because I think they both care
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: more about how people perceive them than.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: If fact that they would stay. They would stay just
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: to make a point, like we have to stay together
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: so that we don't look like we right.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that we didn't blow up our lives for nothing,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: And so that's my prediction that I think that they
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: will do think.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: That's a great prediction. When Mia said, what makes you
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: think that he won't do this to you? And Lindsay says, yeah,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: we want to know, like what is he? Like she's
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: trying to get all the answers Amanda was. They obviously
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: have a very good pact happening where she has agreed
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: to not divulge any information, mostly because I think that
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: West didn't commit to anything and doesn't want to say
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: that because she's too embarrassed about that, but says, we've
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: had private conversations and I don't want to share all
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: of that. But from those conversations, I can't remember what
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: she said exactly, but she made it sound like I
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be here and I wouldn't have taken this risk
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: had he not told me that he loves me, that
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I am the one that he wants to be with me,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: and he's in it to win it. And so that's
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: what she believes. And we know from like Mia from
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: the FaceTime, the other Mia, the horsehair ty Gal, the
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: one who was building his furniture in his apartment when
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: he was at Summerhouse, and like talk about a use
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: and lose situation there and he's telling her, I can't
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: say that you're my girlfriend because I'll get fired. This
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: was very eye opening, and I think we're going to
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: hear more about that, right because there's more receipts that
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Mia gave to Kyle.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Well that's what I think we're going to see in
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: part three. Yeah, Is and it was, oh my god,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Amya swear it gave me chills. West and Amanda are
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: talking about West is like, well, I think the worst
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: is over, and then you cut to Kyle and see
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: her facetiming with Mia, his ex, and just getting all
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: the information, and I was like, this is cinematic gold.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Cinematic gold. And it also shows again that not only
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: does he not have a finger on the pulse of reality,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: he just doesn't care and he just completely lacks awareness.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: If you think that the worst of this is over,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: but listening to Mia say that, essentially the timeline, because
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I think this is really important to talk about. So
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: the timeline is essentially that Kyle and Amanda announce their
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: separation January nineteenth, twenty twenty six, and Amanda was pushing
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: for the announcement to be posted immediately and I clocked this,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: she said, because she didn't want fans thinking they were
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: still together.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Impression management and going into the season knowing that they're together. Yep.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: So then the other important piece of this timeline is
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: at the end when we find out that West and
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Mia were moreno is her last name, were in a
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: committed relationship since February of twenty twenty five, and when
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: West went on Watch What Happens Live? Mia came that night.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: West was still telling her that he loved her. He
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: was wearing her horse hair tie. This was on February
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: third of twenty twenty six. He broke up with her
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: the next day to be with Amanda. That's the timeline
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: of all of this.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, I see, so a year later after they were together.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he just literally if he met him on Watch
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: What Happens Live. They spend the night together, he says
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I love you, he wears the horse hair tie, and
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: then the next day he's never talks to her again
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: or breaks up with her, never talks to her again,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: and then is with Amanda. That is literally the insanity
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: of this situation.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just doesn't take a genius to figure out
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: that this stuff doesn't happen overnight, right, Amanda herself admitted
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: that they were having conversations. So if you're having conversations,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: that's an emotional affair, like that's that's intent. Those are
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: conversations about, well, how do we do this? And to me,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: it's just like it was planning and implementation, and it's
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: not saying that you didn't do anything wrong. In fact,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: to me, it says the exact opposite. But one of
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: the other really interesting things that Mia said was that
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: he lied about like you said, he couldn't be in
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: a relationship with someone from the bravosphere. And again my
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: take on that is that he manipulated to Mia Moreno
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: into being his dirty little secret and he tried to
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: tell her, well, there's a lot of eyes on you
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, and so like it's just showing
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: his massive level of manipulative lacking of empathy, like pattern secret.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And he's using her for her artistic abilities,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: which is really a slap in the face Amanda or
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Mia Mia, because she's obviously a designer. You know, I
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: don't know what she was doing with the furniture and
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: her his apartment, but the worst hair tie and whatever
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: it is that she does. I mean, it sounds like
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: she's incredibly talented and he's just using her for everything,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: including her skills, which is really irritating, you know.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Sure, but that's what someone like West does. I mean
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: he West is like, you know, when these creatures sometimes
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: will attach themselves to other creatures to like his feed on.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Them, Yeah, away their energy and their sefe.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: So what I'm trying to say is like, to me,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: West feels like a parasite. West feels like someone who
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: attaches to somebody, sucks their blood, gets their life energy,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: and then when he's done and he's full, he detaches
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: and then he moves on to somebody else.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: So what is that called? What?
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: So?
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: What is that called?
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: What is his If we could kind of break down
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: and I know that you are not clinically diagnosing him
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: in the real world, this is just your opinion. But
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: what is it that West is, you know, having to
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: struggle with in his life? What are the issues here?
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: If you were to put pen to paper, which I
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: know you have thirty pages, if you want to be specific,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: and then I'd like to know what amand does what specifically?
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Even though I know we broke down a lot about
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: like why you know why and what. But if you
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: were to like put it in a box, check a.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Box, all right, So if I were to put it
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: in a box, West to me is someone who is
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: parasitic and predatory and his behaviors. Lindsay was right. He
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: is one of the best manipulators that I've seen. And
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: this is coming from someone who grew up with one
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: of the best manipulators as a parent and also worked
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: with it in practice for decades. He is good. And
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: so what that tells me is that he is practiced.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have pesky empathy keeping in the way of
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: what he's doing, because the fact is that someone couldn't
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: do this to people over and over again if they
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: had empathy, they just couldn't. Wow they And and here's
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: the thing. If he did have empathy, he would be
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: sweating it at the reunion, like he would be having
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: some sort of emotional reaction, which he just is not.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm wondering, Like, if he's so good,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: why didn't he fight harder at the reunion to defend
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: himself and to try to do.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: He doesn't need to. And here's why West will leave
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: this and he will be just fine. He will be floating,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: that's what it seems like. Yeah, he'll be floating in
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: a sea of vagina, because women sometimes don't. It's like,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: you know, when serial killers go to prison and then
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: women are like obsessed with them.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: But if he cares so much about his image and
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: what people think, why wouldn't he fight harder when people
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: are watching.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: I think he thinks he is doing that. So what
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I believe his tactic is essentially what I'm saying is
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: to offer hollow apologies that are very reasonable sounding, that
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: are used, proper tone of voice, proper content, But the
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: behavior tells me he doesn't really feel sorry. He's not
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: really accountable for anything. He's not really sorry. He's trying
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: to uphease everybody to get out of that reunion so
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: he can just do the same shit over and over.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think, okay, And would you say that he's
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: a narcissist a legend?
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: So well again, I can't. I cannot say that, and
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: I won't, you know, say that, But what I will
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: say is that narcissistic traits and tendencies exist on a continuum,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: and when it gets past a certain point, that's where
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: it turns into pathology, and the pathology of narcissism says
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: that all we are concerned with is our image. Our
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: self are like whatever, So what I'm seeing, Sure there's
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: narcissistic traits and tendencies. Where that lies, that would be
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: between him and his practitioner, which I guarantee he doesn't
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: see someone like someone like West. The reason he's not
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: going to get better is because he doesn't want to,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: and it would take like when people have a lot
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: of narcissistic traits and tendencies, it takes an insane amount
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: of healing to work through that. But the most important
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: reason why people who have really narcissistic traits and tendencies
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: don't heal is there has to be an awareness. First
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: and foremost. We can't change patterns that we aren't aware of,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: and that's a double edged sword. People who have a
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: lot of narcissism are incapable of looking inward and acknowledging
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: the reality of things in a way that they want
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: to fix.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: If wow, okay, it does make sense. It totally makes sense,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Kyle with other women, I mean the tippies. Tippy Toe's
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: comment was hilarious and then also southern charm Sally that
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: he was with Sally from that was wild.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: What do you think about Sally Amy, I don't know.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: I don't have I don't have the bandwidth to put
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: her into my brain right now because I'm so focused
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: on it. But she, uh, she's gonna she wants it.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: She wants it bad, and she wants the fame and
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: she wants she wants it all. So she's willing to
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: do whatever it takes to keep herself.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Her self relevant, which is on the show.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: And relevant you'll go with anybody, you know, I mean,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: that's in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, I don't what is yours?
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: The same?
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: That?
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: To me, when I heard Sally's name, I'm like, of course,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: here's my point. Here's my point. Though West will always
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: have Salllye's, he will always have Sally's. Who will not
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: give a shit how he treats women or how he
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: treats people. They're so desperate for either relevance or to
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: see what all the fuss is about, which to me,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: like if it's a sociological experiment to be like, is
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: this guy's dick made of gold?
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: What is happening here? That I would understand that but
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case with Sally. I think she's, yeah, she's.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Did you see what Lala Kent said about Kyle that
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: she heard a rumor that Kyle like really knows how
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: to work it in bed? Did she? She's selling for
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: her podcasts? It was so funny, and I thought, Kyle
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: is really having a great year. You know, his business
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: is up now he's being you know, lifted up by
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Lalla the sex queen herself that she heard that he
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: can really that he's got some good moves in bed.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: And so, which.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Was it shocking to you because it
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: was not shocking to me when I talked about not
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: having their needs met, like meaning they were in a
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: marriage that was lacking sex, right, And when Andy asked
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: for how long, Kyle said forever, which is wild, and
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Amanda said four years. So what I got from that
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: is that these two people have not had sex.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: In four yeah years, well, which I was actually relieved
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: because I thought it was seven a couple.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Of weeks ago.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: So I was like, Okay, well that's a little better.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: But no, this is why I don't understand why they
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: even stayed together. And I think Kyle's point being like, yeah,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I probably was inappropriate because I wasn't. So he's justifying
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: why he's doing that. But I'm like, then why didn't
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: she just get divorced? Both of you, Like I don't.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Understand this, right, And that's where Kyle It's like, Okay,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: we can feel sad for Kyle and all of that,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: but he made his bed, Amanda made her bed. Both
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: in a very unhappy marriage. They were both playing a role.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: But it's like that me of where like the Spider
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Man pointing at each other. It's like they're like that, right,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Like Kyle's pointing at her and she's pointing at him,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: and it's like, it's both of you. Okay, it's both
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: of you here. And I think that that did annoy me,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: where like Kyle was trying to take accountability, but then
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: I think he got defensive and feelings hurt, and then
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: he was just trying you know, he was just doing
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: the same thing that Amanda was doing, which is again
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: it's like that's why he and Amanda worked for so long.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: I guess, right.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know we need to probably wrap it up,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: but I do want to mention Ben it's sad because
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: that was really intense, and it makes so much more
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: sense why he is so terrible too in my opinion,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: women so far, and why he was really so controlling
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: and demeaning to Bailey and then Amanda. So he's got
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: a lot of issues there and a lot of shame,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: and it's so sad. I can't imagine going through what
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: he went through with what his dad did. This just
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: and let's explain.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's explain for people who don't know. So what
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: you're talking about is that Ben grew up in a
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: very religious household that it sounds like his worth and
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: his value was based on you know, like he was
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: just acting like a kid, but his dad really took
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: away his love from Ben. And Ben revealed that his
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: father didn't hug him since he was nineteen years old,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: simply because I think he was concerned that he was
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: having premarital sex. Which it's like, that's abusive, right as
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: a parent, when you're using religion to emotionally neglect and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: abandon your child, Like that's abuse. Yeah, abuse using religion
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: as like a reason, but it's just absolute bullshit. And
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: so what Ben talked about is that Sabrina every morning
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: was like hugging his dad and then encouraging Ben to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: come in closer and closer. Essentially that Sabrina had to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: act as a go between to get Ben's dad to
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: even physically touch him, which puts such perspective to what
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: you're saying, because my god, that is devastating.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was nice to hear and that the
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: end that the dad allowed them to stay in the
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: same room together, which is pretty shocking, and that they
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: have a relationship on some level. So I am interested
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: to hear more about that, interested to learn at.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Oh you know if we will because.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: You don't think so.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: No, because I think that this whole drama is taking
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: up so much that I think that was Ben's time.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: And remember when Bailey came out for and then I
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: don't even think she no le oh shoot, I'm so sorry. Yeah. Well,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: and that goes that that Levi has been like missing
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: an action because Levi came out for her part of
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: it and then did not say a word.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah walk up, yeah a mana had her walk off
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: and then they were like, well, let's take a break,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: thanks Levi.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: I was just like Levi and when and all these
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: people are just getting the shaft but it's another example
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: of how West and Amanda don't care about how their
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: behaviors are impacting people. Right, this was imagine being on
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Summer House and this is like your season and you're
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: a blip in it because of all this other nonsense.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: You know, it's impacting people, is what I'm saying.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: I don't really care much about that, but I mean fair,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: I mean fair, yeah, I mean, look, if there was
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: something interesting that Levi had to say, she had time
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: to do it, and there was nothing there, but look,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: she was in there. She's just a background player this season,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: and what ends up happening is maybe next season or
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: the season after that if she's If she's back, then
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: you know we'll start cooking. But there's no room for
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: anyone else that says it. I don't want to hear
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: from anyone else unless it's something that is so poignant,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: like Kj's story, and like Ben's story. We had time
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: for that. I'm glad that they gave it a little time.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: And and Bailey reading Ben, I thought that was great.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: So I think we got enough out of out of everybody.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: I think I think so. And so where we're leaving
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: off is that now? Part three it sounds like is
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: gonna just be mister Toad's wild ride because Amanda and
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: West are going to come out having no idea that
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: they've been talking with me his ex, and I have
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: a feeling stuff is going to go down it. Actually
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: I have anxiety about it.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: You know, while you're talking, I'm like, oh my god.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: I know. I'm just like, oh my god. Cause it's like,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: that's what happens when you have a lot of empathy,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: you care about situations that aren't yours to care about.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we care more than Wes does, that's for sure.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: I wish I could give him some of my empathy
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: and then we could even out as people. But listen,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: that's you know, transplants are aren't a thing, so transplant
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: so amy. As we're wrapping up, was there anything else
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: about the reunion that stuck out to you that you
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: wanted to mention that we haven't gotten to?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Oh god, I I feel good about what we covered today.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: The comedic relief just about like who's going to go
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: check on Amanda now? And like Kyle popping up and
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: popping down and being like thank God, yeah I know,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: and he was going to go do it. Oh my gosh,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: that did make me laugh. And then with Jesse, which
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: this is a piece that I never saw the unseen
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: footage when he's said, I after I date a girl
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: or go on a date with a girl, I write
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: a song and say the tour and he said, is
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: that cringe? And then Amanda was like yeah, and I
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: just thought that was so funny but so sweet. And
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: the fact that he is now going on tour and
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: he's really seems to be doing well, and Carl getting
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: wonderful accolades from Lindsay on the heels of him giving
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: her accolades that he's the man that she believes that
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: he's always wanted to be. That's pretty amazing.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: I know it all had me in my feels, and
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up that part about Jesse, because again,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's getting overshadowed. But when they showed
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: the video of him playing and singing, I'm like, oh,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: he's great, Yeah, he likes you know. What bums me out.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: And what I do want to mention is that when
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Jesse was getting emotional talking about his dreams coming true,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: like he went to school for music, right, he's always
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: wanted to do this and you can see that it's
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: such a serious thing to him. And people on the internet,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: you know how they love to just be trolls and
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: shit on p people, which it's like, please, can you
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: play the piano? Because I know I can't, so you know.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: But I think Jesse, I can tell he's like in
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: this emotional turmoil because it's like his life is about
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: to change, but he's so sad about what's going on.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: And then I think he feels judged. But I loved
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: how the guys came together to support one another, Like
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: aside from West because he doesn't out, He's like a
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: plant in the corner. But when when Carl was giving
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Jesse his flowers and Lindsay and Carl were giving each
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: other their flowers, I thought, this is why we're all upset,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: because these people really have love for each other. They
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: really have admiration, and we're.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: So much fun and fun and summer should be fun.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: And now what's gonna happen? Like we loved watching all
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: these knuckleheads hang out and just do goofy things. What
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: do you think is going to happen with the next
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: summer house.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I've thought a lot about this and I've
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: seen a lot of the rumors, you know, like and
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: I just don't trust it an internet rumor. I think
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: that truly it could go a million different ways. But
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: I would be absolutely shocked if West came back. Now,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: I could almost see Amanda coming back because I feel
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: what Kyle's feeling in some of the rest of this
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: group is feeling is that because of west predatory parasitic behaviors,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: that they view Amanda a little bit as a victim, right,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: They're like, I know this person, I feel like she's
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a victim. So I feel like
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: there's room for her to grow if she wants to.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: But is she gonna hitch her wagon to West and
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: just like go to the pits of hell? Or is
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: she going to try to get some agency and autonomy
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: over her life? Tbd? TBD, But I believe that I
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: think Sierra will come back if West does not come back.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know that West has a place anymore in
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: this house because he has no friends there, right, so
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: it will be interesting to see. I hope there's not
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: like production or editorial decisions made that feel inauthentic, But
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: I understand wanting to capture the lightning in a bottle
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: of what's happening. So I'll just be really interested to see.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: But what do you.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: Think, Well, now that there's in the City, I could
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: see Amanda and Kyle going back to in the City
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: and actually co existing together there, Sierra back on Summer House,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: all the guys back on Summer House. West. I don't
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: see how he could go back on Summerhouse, but Bravo
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: knows that he would be a ratings boost.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, didn't his show The Ozarks. Didn't
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: that get scrapped?
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know, see, I can't get him that.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: I read that the project The Ozarks, which was going
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: to be like based on West and.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: Like he was going to be the bridge, So it
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: was going to be the bridge to that.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I think because of what's going on with
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: West n Yeah, they've scrapped that.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: That's what I've read. Now listen right now, I heard
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: that true. But they've got to do something for him.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: They have to. I just think that West is such
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: a liquid commodity for Bravo and reality television that they
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: have to put him somewhere. And maybe what they could
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: do is Summer House, where it's Sierra for like most
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: of the weekends, and then you know how they don't
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: have some cast members at the house on some of
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: the weekends, so then Sierra's not there on the weekends
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: that West comes, and I would see West coming maybe
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: two weekends tops, but you get a couple episodes out,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: you know, several episodes out of that, So that is
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: what I think. My top guess is that they'll split
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Summerhouse so that West can make up with the guys
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: and and make it right. We get check ins and
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: then perhaps on in the City next year, West gets
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: some cameos over on in the city.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: As well well, right, because and that's the interesting point
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: you bring up about in the City, which I didn't
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: even think about, because if Amanda and West are going
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: to be together, then that is likely that maybe that's
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: the storyline for in the City, and then Summer Houses
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: is everyone else. So yeah, I mean TBD, Like I'm
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: just brimming with anticipation to find out what this is
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: going to look like.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're going to do something with him. They
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: have to because people want to see that, right, They
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: want to see me in they want to see the villain,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: they want to see the villains they do.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Right, But you made a really interesting point that I
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: could see West. We could see West on House of
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Villains or something like that. Like I thought, he's going
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: to try to like Tony Stark this and make this
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: like his. He'll be like, oh, you want a villain,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: I'll give you a villain.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We're going to have to find out.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll find I don't know if yeah, maybe he'll
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: be like a sand of All with House of Villains.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: It would be interesting if they would pick him up
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: for Traders. Oh yeah, I mean he would. Wait, he'd
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: be great trade.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: West would excel at Traders, honey. And let me tell you,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: if Gust was on Traders, the girl would be watching.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: So so there you go.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: Wow, I love talking to you about this stuff. I
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: couldn't wait to talk to you about Summerhouse and can't wait,
• 1:12:26
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• 1:12:28
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• 1:12:31
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• 1:12:34
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• 1:12:36
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• 1:12:39
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• 1:12:41
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• 1:12:44
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