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#031_ The Power of Ceremony · INSPIRE STORY

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Speaker 1: Julie Boyett ritual back on the podcast.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for inviting me back on.
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Speaker 1: We're long overdue for a conversation.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you think so. I've been wondering when
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Speaker 3: you were going to invite me back. Now I'm kidding.
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Speaker 1: Well, we've been sharing conversations from our retreats, that's true.
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Speaker 1: So you've made appearances on the show in that regard,
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Speaker 1: but it's been a while since we did a formal,
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Speaker 1: proper one at home.
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Speaker 2: This is true.
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Speaker 1: So the way this usually goes is I approached Julia
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Speaker 1: a couple of days before our scheduled appointment, and I say,
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Speaker 1: let's talk about what we're going to talk about, and
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Speaker 1: you go yeah, yeah yeah, and I go yeah yeah yeah,
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Speaker 1: and then we never do it, and then we sit
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Speaker 1: down and we just roll.
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Speaker 2: Usually, so that's usually preceded.
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Speaker 3: By a small spat argument of energy of you wanting
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Speaker 3: it to be figured out and me wanting to let
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Speaker 3: it go.
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Speaker 1: That's the typical that's the typical cycle that we're on.
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Speaker 3: But I think we're experiencing some deep evolution because there
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Speaker 3: was none of that this time.
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Speaker 1: I'm letting go.
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Speaker 2: You are beautifully trying to grow.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm moving in your direction? Are you moving in mind?
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Speaker 2: I think so. I was actually feeling like I wanted
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Speaker 2: some structure you did.
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Speaker 1: What were you thinking?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I was just waiting for the inspiration.
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Speaker 1: But well, let's kind of launch into this with one thought,
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Speaker 1: which is we are coming off of an incredible energy
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Speaker 1: output over the last six to nine months. Pushing books
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Speaker 1: out into the world, retreats, speaking engagements, ramping up the podcast, like,
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Speaker 1: all of these things have been amazing experiences that have
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Speaker 1: really enhanced our lives, I think, and helped us to
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Speaker 1: connect with a lot of people in a meaningful way.
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Speaker 1: But it's a lot of energy, and I found myself
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Speaker 1: to be burned out is not the right word, but
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Speaker 1: definitely spread too thin and a little bit more exhausted
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Speaker 1: than I would like.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think that really, if you characterize it really
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Speaker 3: correctly or more authentically, it's really when this entire journey
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Speaker 3: of wellness began between you and me or with you
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Speaker 3: and me. So I would say that it began really
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Speaker 3: in twenty thirteen, or maybe even twenty twelve, when it
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Speaker 3: really started to sort of turn. And here we are
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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, right, that is the year. So I think
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Speaker 3: it's all of that time because we had been what
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Speaker 3: I call benched, which is my description of being dismantled
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Speaker 3: and unable to really function in the world or be
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Speaker 3: accepted by the world or find a way to plug in.
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Speaker 3: And what happened is after that energy lifted and we
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Speaker 3: were able to move. I'd say we've both been moving, right,
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Speaker 3: We've been sort of thrilled.
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Speaker 1: So your window is looking back six years, Yeah, it
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Speaker 1: has been that. I mean, I think as soon as
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Speaker 1: there was an opportunity to move forward, we both kind
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Speaker 1: of dove in, of course at first, and haven't looked back.
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Speaker 1: But it's just been a constant like forward, forward, forward forward,
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Speaker 1: what's next, what's next, what's next? Okay, what can we do?
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Speaker 1: I think we were just so grateful to have the
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Speaker 1: opportunity to express ourselves after what we had endured for
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Speaker 1: so many years that speaking for myself, there's almost like
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Speaker 1: a fear of slowing down, like I don't want to
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Speaker 1: slow down, like it was so hard for so long.
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Speaker 1: Now everything is working, like I just want to build, build, build, build, build,
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Speaker 1: And my you know, my sort of default mode is
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Speaker 1: like work harder, you know, push harder, go further.
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Speaker 2: Or is better.
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Speaker 1: If this is working, let's do more, let's double down
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Speaker 1: on this. And I can look at that and say, well,
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Speaker 1: that's part of my success equation, or learning how to
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Speaker 1: leverage that aspect of my personality for growth and for
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Speaker 1: good has benefited me. But it has a dark side
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Speaker 1: as well, because I don't always know how to modulate
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Speaker 1: that or dial back on the volume. And I think
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Speaker 1: when I do do that, or when I'm forced to
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Speaker 1: do that, then I experience fear like, well, if I
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Speaker 1: slow down, the world's going to pass me by or whatever, right,
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Speaker 1: And so I get stuck into this unsustainable model of
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Speaker 1: like content creation that I think has left me a
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Speaker 1: little bit fraud.
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Speaker 3: Lately, right, And I think I mean, listen, I mean
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Speaker 3: when you've been bench for nine years and almost been
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Speaker 3: completely annihilated in every way the way that.
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Speaker 2: We were, it's appropriate, you know.
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Speaker 3: We then the platform opened up and we were able
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Speaker 3: to move into it, and we've done it like in
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Speaker 3: complete joy, complete merging with our authentic voice.
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Speaker 2: I think we've kept it really real.
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Speaker 3: I think we've kept it, you know, really raw and
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Speaker 3: really vulnerable and really true to who we both are.
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Speaker 3: And then there comes a time when we have to
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Speaker 3: understand and I take this more in our marriage together
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Speaker 3: is life is about evolution, and we are always evolving
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Speaker 3: and changing. And so if we stick or hold on
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Speaker 3: to one station too hard or too fast, or hold
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Speaker 3: on too tightly or grip too tightly, there's going to
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Speaker 3: be some stagnation with that, you know, the energy is
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Speaker 3: going to stop flowing. And so the comversation between you
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Speaker 3: and me as husband and wife has been how do
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Speaker 3: we evolve together past an eighteen year you know commitment
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Speaker 3: eighteen year marriage are almost twenty you.
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Speaker 2: Know, how does that evolve and what does that look like?
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Speaker 3: And so I think this is about evolution, and I
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Speaker 3: think the way that it's very relevant to what's going
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Speaker 3: on in wellness or in the social media stage today
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Speaker 3: is that, you know, the ocean, there is a tide
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Speaker 3: that comes in and comes out, and there are waves
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Speaker 3: that come in and come out. And so you know,
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Speaker 3: years ago, I did, like every Tony Robbins seminar before
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Speaker 3: I met you, like I was walking on fire and
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Speaker 3: doing like all the financial mastery and everything that he offered.
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Speaker 3: And at the time, I'm sure he's evolved a lot,
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Speaker 3: but at the time, the thing that he didn't really
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Speaker 3: address was the natural cycle of life, the natural rhythm
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Speaker 3: of life. And so if we if we don't take
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Speaker 3: those times to replenish, to reboot, to reconsider, to fill
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Speaker 3: back up again, we tend to start sharing in my experience,
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Speaker 3: from a need to be busy or that fear of
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Speaker 3: not stopping, and the authentic message becomes compromised.
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Speaker 2: You know, or the truth where you are. So what
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Speaker 2: do you think about that?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I'm somebody who wants it to be high
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Speaker 1: tide all the time, you know, Like I want to
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Speaker 1: deny the natural cycle of tides going in and out right.
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Speaker 1: And so it's like, Okay, it's high tide. Let's keep
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Speaker 1: it at high tide as long as possible. And I'm
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Speaker 1: reluctant to kind of step back and allow that ebb
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Speaker 1: and flow to occur. So that's like my growth opportunity, right, Like,
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Speaker 1: that's that's the thing that I need to look at
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Speaker 1: and acknowledge and accept and understand that that my reluctance
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Speaker 1: to embrace that comes from a place of fear, and
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Speaker 1: that fear is rooted in this idea that if I
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Speaker 1: take my foot off the gas pedal, that it's all
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Speaker 1: going to go away right. And And somebody who's been
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Speaker 1: really helpful in walking me through this in addition to
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Speaker 1: yourself is Rob Bell. Like I've had long conversations with
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Speaker 1: him about this because he'll do his podcast for a
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Speaker 1: while and then he'll disappear, like to make something right,
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Speaker 1: to like recharge his batteries or write a play or
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Speaker 1: a novel or I mean, the guy is like just
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Speaker 1: a font of creative output. It's insane. And he's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I go away, It's okay. And then I come back
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Speaker 1: and everyone's psyched that I'm back. You should take a break,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't take a break. I can't.
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Speaker 1: What if I can't, I've never missed a week in
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Speaker 1: the podcast, Like I'm I'm not in a place where
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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I'm going to take a break from you.
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Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. That's not what I'm saying. But
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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of wisdom in having this,
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Speaker 1: you know, self assuredness that you can step back and
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Speaker 1: take care of yourself, and if you don't do that, ultimately,
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Speaker 1: it's impacting what you're trying to accomplish in the long run. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: So to recognize eyes that ebb and flow to uh
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Speaker 1: have the self confidence, the assuredness to walk away from
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Speaker 1: time to time to emphasize self care or appreciate the
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Speaker 1: ebb and flow, or to attune your attention to other
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Speaker 1: things in your life that are important. I think is
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Speaker 1: absolutely crucial and critical, especially if you want to be
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Speaker 1: you know, productive for the long term.
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Speaker 3: If yeah, if you want to be alive long term,
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Speaker 3: let's just let's just call it like that. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I think you know, it's not just it's not just you,
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Speaker 3: it's the culture. It's what the culture puts on you.
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Speaker 3: You know, more is better, Competition, you got to you know,
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Speaker 3: get years.
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Speaker 2: Well, the getting's good.
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Speaker 3: You know, if you don't grab this opportunity, then someone
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Speaker 3: else is going to take it. All of those those
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Speaker 3: isms are those beliefs that are in the planetary grid
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Speaker 3: that make us be on the hamster wheel and be
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Speaker 3: making movements and actions that may not be in alignment
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Speaker 3: with who we are or may not be real in
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Speaker 3: truth of who we are. And like your friend Rob
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Speaker 3: Bell at my friend too, my friend too.
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Speaker 2: Now, after the.
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Speaker 3: Plant Power Italia retreat and releasing the cookbook, I actually
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Speaker 3: got back into town and I could feel the similar
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Speaker 3: energy that descended in or came over us in two
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Speaker 3: thousand and seven, and that was at the beginning of
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Speaker 3: the dismantling phage, or the benching as I call it.
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Speaker 3: Where I'm bench, I could feel it, I could sense
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Speaker 3: it in my body. And what that told me was,
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Speaker 3: don't post on social media.
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Speaker 2: So I'm coming.
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Speaker 3: I'm actually just on the tail end of a good
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Speaker 3: two month break.
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Speaker 1: What did that feel like?
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Speaker 3: Specifically, It's like I've described on the podcast before, like
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Speaker 3: I say, if you've been dismantled, and this isn't a
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Speaker 3: dismantling in the same way. What it is is it's
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Speaker 3: an opportunity for evolutionary growth, and when it shows up,
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Speaker 3: it's a feeling of I call it the universal faucet
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Speaker 3: has turned off. It's just a pause. It feels like
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Speaker 3: everything is suspended in mid air. And I even tried
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Speaker 3: to post, like on our anniversary, I had a beautiful
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Speaker 3: image that our friend Kurt Arego took when we were
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Speaker 3: together in Venice, this gorgeous photo, and I wrote this
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Speaker 3: long thing about us, and literally none of my systems
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Speaker 3: would allow me to post it, like the technology just
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Speaker 3: refuse me, and I'm you.
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Speaker 1: Tried to and it like the uploads literally.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't upload, and after like three or four.
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Speaker 1: I should say, just to like interrupt that you walk
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Speaker 1: around with emitting some kind of like frequency that makes
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Speaker 1: all of technology in your orbit fail. Even at the
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Speaker 1: beginning of this podcast, we had trouble getting the cameras
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Speaker 1: set up, like they weren't working properly because you carry
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Speaker 1: I don't know, some frequency that makes all of that
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Speaker 1: fritz out like energetics.
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Speaker 2: It's some resonance.
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Speaker 3: But the thing is is, so I told you it
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Speaker 3: was our anniversary and we met actually to do a
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Speaker 3: ceremony together and to meet and have dinner and have time.
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Speaker 3: And I told you I'm sorry that I didn't post anything.
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Speaker 3: I actually had spent three hours and it didn't.
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Speaker 2: It just didn't come to fruition.
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Speaker 3: So I'm mature enough and I've been through that enough
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Speaker 3: that I know what that is, and that is stop.
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Speaker 2: Do not do that.
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Speaker 3: You're not to do that. So a lot of my
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Speaker 3: friends have been reaching out for you. Really, oh honey,
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Speaker 3: no like it.
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Speaker 1: I didn't even whatever.
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Speaker 2: No you knew about that.
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Speaker 3: No, you understood when I talked to you. But a
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Speaker 3: lot of my friends reached out to me and have been.
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Speaker 3: You know, we're really concerned and you must be going
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Speaker 3: through a lot, and you know all this kind of.
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Speaker 1: Stuff and it way because you break from you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm not posting and I'm not there. And
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Speaker 3: the thing is is that this is such a beautiful
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Speaker 3: time for me because it's not it's not intense like
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Speaker 3: it was before. And I know the signs, I know
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Speaker 3: the cues, so I know that this is a moment
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Speaker 3: that I'm able to step into the void and to
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Speaker 3: gain insights, awarenesses, reclaim parts of myself so that I
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Speaker 3: can refine what my offerings are creatively, so they are
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Speaker 3: true in alignment with what I came here to do,
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Speaker 3: and each of us that is our main mission is
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Speaker 3: to fully live our own individual design in real truth.
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Speaker 2: So it's been amazing.
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Speaker 3: I'm not all the way through it, but I've had
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Speaker 3: a lot of awarenesses and a lot of things that have,
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Speaker 3: you know, gifts that I've been grabbing.
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Speaker 1: The main thing that I've noticed with you over the
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Speaker 1: last year is you have really stepped into your creative
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Speaker 1: powers and I'm seeing somebody who is definitely much more
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Speaker 1: expressed than you have been in the past. And I
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Speaker 1: see with that in accompanying like sort of stronger sense
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Speaker 1: of self. And I think it's been an interesting journey
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Speaker 1: in path because for many years, you know, I was
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Speaker 1: the first person to kind of get recogn you know,
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Speaker 1: I was getting a lot of of recognition for them.
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Speaker 2: You're more famous than and you were.
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Speaker 1: Kind of like, you know, in the shadow, like you know,
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Speaker 1: as oh, she cooks the food or whatever. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's like hello, like none of this would have happened
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Speaker 1: without like all the stuff that I did. And I
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Speaker 1: think there was some you know, like some some level
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Speaker 1: of frustration about that, not because you had a desire
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Speaker 1: to be publicly acknowledged, but more because you felt like
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Speaker 1: you were you were being muted in what you had
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Speaker 1: to offer. And what I've seen in the last year
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Speaker 1: is you really owning your own strength and capabilities and
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Speaker 1: your own path and stepping into that with your podcast
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Speaker 1: and the books, not just the books that you're writing,
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Speaker 1: with the music and and just the way you carry yourself.
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Speaker 1: So I, you know, I feel like you're you're you're
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Speaker 1: so much more fully expressed and and you're happier as
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Speaker 1: a result of that, Like you're you're more fully actualized
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Speaker 1: in the things that you want to be doing. So
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Speaker 1: talk to me a little bit about like how.
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Speaker 3: You Yeah, so, I mean I think again that this
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Speaker 3: is all divine timing, like you're in my union. Whatever
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Speaker 3: we're doing here on a higher level, on a human level,
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Speaker 3: this is the timing that was laid out. So you
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Speaker 3: were supposed to go first in this scenario. And by
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Speaker 3: you going first, you've opened the doors and opened so
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Speaker 3: many people to be willing and able to hear what
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Speaker 3: it is that I'm sharing. And so we've experienced this
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Speaker 3: on retreat. Yeah, that was completely frustrating to me, like
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Speaker 3: beyond because you know, for me, this has been an
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Speaker 3: entire spiritual evolution. It's required ceremony, it's required ritual heart intention,
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Speaker 3: holding you in your highest essence. Also, you know all
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Speaker 3: the children, raising the kids and fighting to save the
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Speaker 3: house and everything else that we experienced.
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Speaker 2: So when Sanjay Gupta picked.
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Speaker 3: Up your story and it was basically sort of described
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Speaker 3: as dude hits middle age and loses you know, fifty
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Speaker 3: pounds or whatever, it was like, I tell the story
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Speaker 3: like I almost spit my cereal out across the table
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Speaker 3: because that part of the story was just the membrane.
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Speaker 2: It was only the top, but the way.
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Speaker 3: That our culture is and in order for us to
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Speaker 3: affect change, that is the portal.
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Speaker 2: That people could access what was really going on.
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Speaker 3: And so it's all been completely in an in divine timing.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't because I was in some paralysis and couldn't
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Speaker 3: access my power. It's because this is the way it
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Speaker 3: was meant to unfold. And so yeah, I'm in a
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Speaker 3: moment now that I am finally coming into the embodiment
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Speaker 3: of everything that I came here to do, and it's
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Speaker 3: a super exciting time for me.
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Speaker 2: And thank you for that recognition.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So walk me through your daily routine, your regiment,
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Speaker 1: or specifically how you spend your morning.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm in a lot of flow right now, so
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't even say that I have I don't have
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Speaker 3: a discipline. I'm not disciplined. I'm tuned into the flow
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Speaker 3: of energy, and so I'm often it depends, you know,
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Speaker 3: it depends on what's going on. But I'm in meditation,
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Speaker 3: in channeling music. I'm receiving sounds and tones spontaneously in meditation,
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Speaker 3: so I'm not looking to write a song in a
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Speaker 3: traditional way. So I'm in an exploration in the music
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Speaker 3: for sure.
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Speaker 2: I'm in. This happens in the early morning, So this
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Speaker 2: is what's going on.
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Speaker 1: You get up like at an ungodly hour.
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Speaker 3: You get up at like four four thirty, yeah, usually typically,
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Speaker 3: and then that starts an entire process. Actually, so it's
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Speaker 3: a way of getting up. It's getting up in reverence.
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Speaker 3: It's bathing my body in reverence almost as a ritual.
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Speaker 3: It's preparing to sit in meditation. It's receiving the tea
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Speaker 3: as communion with the trees, with the planet, connecting with
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Speaker 3: this energy. Then I'll move into music, and then I'll
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Speaker 3: start playing and writing. So I've been writing some new
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Speaker 3: music and allowing some new music to come in. But
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Speaker 3: what I would say is key about everything that I'm
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Speaker 3: doing is it's created from first a place of ceremony,
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Speaker 3: which connects with and recognizes all the energy that is unseen,
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Speaker 3: which is a partner or a co creator in everything
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Speaker 3: that ends up being seen. And this was what I
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Speaker 3: was doing behind the scenes of ultraman of finding ultra
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Speaker 3: of our entire life for so many years.
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Speaker 1: Right, one of the things you've been talking about pretty
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Speaker 1: regularly lately is this importance of ceremony and ceremony as
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Speaker 1: this almost lost art that is so so much an
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Speaker 1: integral part of human evolution and the development of culture
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Speaker 1: over the years. Regardless of if you look back anthropologically
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Speaker 1: at any tribe, at any you know, sort of indigenous culture,
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Speaker 1: ceremony is very much a central part of daily life.
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Speaker 1: And in our modern developed world, we've really moved away
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Speaker 1: from ceremony in almost every regard. And I think that
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Speaker 1: that's that's a loss, and it's something that I think
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Speaker 1: creates this void in our experience and leaves us perhaps
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Speaker 1: even unconsciously searching for something that mimics, that you know,
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Speaker 1: trigger that's deep inside of us to you know, have
19:29
Speaker 1: that kind of thing in our life. And I want
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Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts about that, because I know you
19:33
Speaker 1: have a lot of thoughts on that. But that kind
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Speaker 1: of came up for me the other day. There was
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Speaker 1: a article in the New York Times. It was on
19:41
Speaker 1: the front page of the Sunday Review. It's a big deal,
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Speaker 1: and it was the title was something like, you know,
19:48
Speaker 1: podcast brows want to optimize your life, And it was
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Speaker 1: an article about this movement of podcasters in the health
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Speaker 1: and quote unquote like life optimization sector who have developed
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Speaker 1: large audiences. And it mentions people like Joe Rogan and
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Speaker 1: Tim Ferriss and Lewis Howe and Aubrey Marcus, all of people,
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Speaker 1: you know, all people I know, and you know, I
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Speaker 1: consider myself part of that community, although I wasn't mentioned
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Speaker 1: in the article, and I have like a conflicting perspective
20:18
Speaker 1: on it, because on the one hand, it was a
20:20
Speaker 1: little bit snarky, it was a little bit condescending, like
20:23
Speaker 1: the use of bro terminology and how these people are
20:28
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, shilling self help techniques, et cetera.
20:33
Speaker 1: But fundamentally beneath that was this thesis that with the
20:38
Speaker 1: kind of crippling of religious institutions, people are searching for
20:43
Speaker 1: spirituality and new in different ways, and this podcast space
20:47
Speaker 1: is filling that void for a certain part of the population.
20:52
Speaker 1: And I think that's right. I think that's correct, and
20:55
Speaker 1: I think it does speak to this lack of ceremony
20:58
Speaker 1: or this modern gestalt that we're in that has moved
21:02
Speaker 1: us away from the importance of collective, community based ceremony
21:09
Speaker 1: that is part and parcel of what makes us human.
21:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean I would even go to say
21:16
Speaker 3: it's very individual, it's very personal. So I'd say the
21:19
Speaker 3: reason that is very true, and the reason is because
21:21
Speaker 3: we are spiritual beings having a human experience, or possibly
21:25
Speaker 3: multi dimensional beings having a simultaneous experience. So there's only
21:29
Speaker 3: part of us that is experiencing life in this physical form.
21:33
Speaker 2: And what's happened.
21:34
Speaker 3: The reason that we've gotten away from it is because
21:37
Speaker 3: of religions, because of dogmas, doctrines, rules, sinning, all these
21:45
Speaker 3: kind of things that can be the cage of religion
21:49
Speaker 3: or dogma of religion. And when ritual or ceremony is
21:54
Speaker 3: something as natural as walking out in nature. And so
21:58
Speaker 3: what I'm sharing is that you need a priest or
22:01
Speaker 3: a guru or anybody to give you permission to commune
22:06
Speaker 3: with that part of yourself that is not physicalized. And
22:10
Speaker 3: in fact, I encourage that you don't that you don't
22:13
Speaker 3: use any systems that exist, Any systems that exist on
22:16
Speaker 3: this planet that have been done in traditions are infiltrated
22:21
Speaker 3: with suppressive, suppressive energy. So it's much more natural and
22:27
Speaker 3: authentic if you can be childlike and do what is
22:31
Speaker 3: what you feel, do what is natural to you. So
22:34
Speaker 3: if you have something that you want to foster or
22:37
Speaker 3: a relationship, a dream, a garden, a sacred idea, anything
22:44
Speaker 3: simply sitting and communing with that, asking for the unseen
22:49
Speaker 3: energy that is maybe your multi dimensional part of yourself
22:53
Speaker 3: to come into the experience and co create. You can
22:57
Speaker 3: offer flowers that signify you, or love for it, your hopes,
23:02
Speaker 3: your dreams. It's really the intention that you have when
23:06
Speaker 3: you enter into these things. And I would take this
23:09
Speaker 3: back as an example for you and me and our marriage.
23:12
Speaker 3: We had a wedding ceremony, well it's start before then.
23:15
Speaker 3: We had a shamanic ceremony just the two of us
23:18
Speaker 3: in Mexico that included a sweat lodge and a fire
23:22
Speaker 3: and a releasing of anything that would keep us from
23:25
Speaker 3: each other, any secrets, anything that had happened. We were
23:29
Speaker 3: able to put that in the fire to begin at
23:32
Speaker 3: an even ground. So that was the beginning, and it
23:35
Speaker 3: was a glorious engagement and glorious wedding just the two
23:39
Speaker 3: of us, just between us. I remember it so beautifully.
23:44
Speaker 3: We had an amazing meal, like on a floating barge
23:47
Speaker 3: under the stars in Mexico with.
23:49
Speaker 2: No one around.
23:51
Speaker 3: You had hidden me messages. I still have the shell
23:54
Speaker 3: you gave me from that moment, and I have a
23:57
Speaker 3: hawk feather that was given to us by the shaman
24:01
Speaker 3: who told me that was given to him by his grandfather.
24:04
Speaker 3: So that was the beginning of this relationship between rich
24:07
Speaker 3: and Julie. And then we had like the spiritual world
24:12
Speaker 3: concert of all time. That was the most one of
24:16
Speaker 3: the most magical days I've ever been alive. It was
24:20
Speaker 3: on our land beneath the house with our boys. I
24:23
Speaker 3: was pregnant with Mathis, and we had African wedding singers
24:28
Speaker 3: and channelers and Bagavondas did the fire ceremony, and we
24:32
Speaker 3: had gospel singers and it was absolutely magnificent. The clouds
24:37
Speaker 3: actually formed the shape of like angels in the sky.
24:40
Speaker 2: It was crazy, crazy, beautiful night.
24:44
Speaker 3: Then all those years after that, when we almost lost
24:48
Speaker 3: everything and almost felt like we didn't make it through
24:51
Speaker 3: our trials, we then renewed our vows with our children.
24:56
Speaker 3: Then after we had had the two girls and so
24:59
Speaker 3: we had ceremony with just the six of us, and
25:03
Speaker 3: everybody offered something into this family marriage. It was still
25:08
Speaker 3: one of the most beautiful days of my life. You
25:11
Speaker 3: read me something that day that literally slayed me. It
25:14
Speaker 3: opened my heart up and touched me at such a
25:17
Speaker 3: deep level that I was literally melted in every single
25:21
Speaker 3: layer of my being. I strung garlands for us. We
25:25
Speaker 3: each had flower like garlands that I had done. And
25:28
Speaker 3: now cutting to fifteen years, what did we do on
25:32
Speaker 3: our fifteen year anniversary?
25:34
Speaker 2: We went and had a ceremony.
25:36
Speaker 3: We ignited what the future holds for us, talked about
25:40
Speaker 3: our intentions, what we want to do together, what you
25:43
Speaker 3: want to be. I think my question to you was
25:46
Speaker 3: what would you like to experience for the next phase
25:48
Speaker 3: of your life? Not what are you going to give me,
25:51
Speaker 3: but what do you want to experience? And so we've
25:55
Speaker 3: made that commitment to each other in that way. And
25:58
Speaker 3: I'm old enough now to look in the rearview mirror
26:01
Speaker 3: and see I did those same practices with so many
26:05
Speaker 3: things in our life, so many and they do work.
26:09
Speaker 3: There is energy in that powerful, powerful energy, and that's
26:14
Speaker 3: available to all of us.
26:16
Speaker 1: What I hear in that is a couple things. I mean,
26:19
Speaker 1: First of all, I don't know if you differentiate between
26:24
Speaker 1: ritual and ceremony. I guess they're sort of the same thing.
26:29
Speaker 1: But there are certain instances in which kind of creating
26:35
Speaker 1: formality around a ceremony is appropriate, Like it's a wedding
26:39
Speaker 1: or a renewal of valves or our anniversary. But then
26:42
Speaker 1: there's also this practice of bringing ritualistic behaviors into your
26:49
Speaker 1: daily life so that it becomes part and parcel of
26:51
Speaker 1: just kind of how you approach the world. So the
26:54
Speaker 1: idea of every morning, you know, greeting the day with
26:58
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's you know, take a walk in
27:00
Speaker 1: nature and focusing your attention on something that you want
27:04
Speaker 1: to more deeply express in your life. You know, kind
27:07
Speaker 1: of cultivating the love and the energy and the intention
27:11
Speaker 1: around that is something that you don't have to create
27:14
Speaker 1: a lot of formal structure around. It's more like a mindset,
27:19
Speaker 1: a frame of mind, and a daily habit that becomes
27:23
Speaker 1: ritualized and ultimately contributes to the manifestation of whatever it
27:29
Speaker 1: is that you're seeking.
27:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would say those ceremony, those points that
27:33
Speaker 3: I was giving those examples, that's that's a true ceremony.
27:36
Speaker 3: Those were sort of milestones and those moments that were
27:40
Speaker 3: astrologically important or important in our timeline of evolution. Ritual ritual,
27:46
Speaker 3: I would say, would be more the daily you know,
27:49
Speaker 3: more the daily thing.
27:50
Speaker 2: That you do.
27:51
Speaker 3: So, for instance, just two quick things when I wake
27:54
Speaker 3: up in the morning. When my feet hit the ground,
27:58
Speaker 3: my feet touched the ground, I bow down and kiss
28:03
Speaker 3: the floor. Basically, that's my first act of the morning.
28:08
Speaker 3: My last act of the morning is in meditation in bed,
28:13
Speaker 3: rising up on my knees and extending my arms to
28:16
Speaker 3: the heavens with gratitude for everything I've experienced. And then
28:22
Speaker 3: there's a bow down after that and a release of
28:26
Speaker 3: every triumph and every tragedy.
28:30
Speaker 1: And if you have to articulate what you get out
28:33
Speaker 1: of that, what does that mean to you and how
28:36
Speaker 1: does that impact your life?
28:38
Speaker 3: It's a meaning, It's a deep meaning for life.
28:42
Speaker 2: It's a connection.
28:43
Speaker 3: It's a reminder of the fact that I am part
28:47
Speaker 3: of the earth, that I am here as part of
28:52
Speaker 3: an expression, And it's a reverence and an honoring for
28:57
Speaker 3: my very life, for the very life force that is
29:00
Speaker 3: pulsing through this magnificent instrument.
29:03
Speaker 2: Which houses our spirit. So it's a it's.
29:08
Speaker 3: An act of reverence, an act of devotion, a reset
29:14
Speaker 3: in a way to me, remembering that I honor that
29:19
Speaker 3: which is unseen.
29:21
Speaker 1: And when you say unseen, what does that mean to you?
29:24
Speaker 2: It means spirit, soul.
29:27
Speaker 3: I mean there's you know, different people have different definitions
29:30
Speaker 3: for that, so I won't get into like the semantics
29:33
Speaker 3: on it, but basically, that part of the life force
29:36
Speaker 3: which is not embodied in this physical body, but which
29:39
Speaker 3: is co creating and interacting with me always.
29:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, over the years, you're the one
29:46
Speaker 1: who's always been the motivating force behind all of the
29:50
Speaker 1: kind of more other kinds of like formal ceremonies that
29:54
Speaker 1: we've done. You know, annually we'll get together around the
29:57
Speaker 1: fire and we'll write down, you know, things we want
29:59
Speaker 1: to like go of and put them in the fire,
30:01
Speaker 1: and you create this kind of ritualistic, you know, kind
30:04
Speaker 1: of shamanic environment around that that gives it weight and
30:07
Speaker 1: gives it meaning. And I think those are really beautiful
30:11
Speaker 1: expressions of this human experience that we're having. And you know,
30:16
Speaker 1: to kind of speak to what I mentioned earlier, we
30:21
Speaker 1: really have moved past this in our in our modern culture.
30:25
Speaker 1: You know, we don't we don't you know, we have
30:28
Speaker 1: bar mitzvahs and bob mitzvahs, and we have Christenings, and
30:31
Speaker 1: we have these kind of you know, ceremonies that are
30:35
Speaker 1: trapped in religious dogma, and I think for a lot
30:39
Speaker 1: of people they kind of go through the motions of
30:41
Speaker 1: these things like blah blah blah, but they don't have
30:44
Speaker 1: that that that intention behind them, or I'm not saying everybody.
30:49
Speaker 1: I'm sure for a lot of people they do. But
30:52
Speaker 1: I think to the extent that we can create our
30:56
Speaker 1: own rituals that work for us and treat them with
31:00
Speaker 1: the same kind of reverence and sacred energy that they
31:04
Speaker 1: really are are powerful. You know, they're powerful touchdowns and
31:09
Speaker 1: ways of remembering and ways of achieving clarity over who
31:14
Speaker 1: you are and you know where you've been and where
31:17
Speaker 1: you want to go.
31:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
31:19
Speaker 3: And I mean the thing is is if you if
31:22
Speaker 3: you are in a religion or experiencing religion and it's
31:25
Speaker 3: making you feel expanded and free, then that's perfect for you.
31:29
Speaker 2: So it's you know, everyone is completely different.
31:32
Speaker 3: I'm just speaking to those of us that have felt
31:36
Speaker 3: oppressed by religion, or confined by religion, or sullied by religion, shamed,
31:43
Speaker 3: you know, those type of things. So in spiritual awareness,
31:47
Speaker 3: there isn't shame, there isn't guilt.
31:49
Speaker 2: There's an expansion.
31:50
Speaker 3: So you know, that is what we're experiencing by tapping
31:54
Speaker 3: into that force.
31:56
Speaker 1: How do you think we're doing in our marriage?
31:58
Speaker 2: Do I think?
31:59
Speaker 3: Well, you know, actually, it was going to tell you.
32:00
Speaker 3: So I have this thing when I read a book.
32:02
Speaker 3: When I read a book, I just open it up
32:04
Speaker 3: to whatever page randomly and then it gives me the
32:08
Speaker 3: message that I need in that moment. And it's actually
32:11
Speaker 3: works all the time, like one hundred percent of the time.
32:15
Speaker 3: So today Rich was like, you know, are we gonna
32:17
Speaker 3: do we have something decided or are we just going
32:19
Speaker 3: to wing it or what's going on? I was like, yeah,
32:21
Speaker 3: I don't know what you mean. I was like, let's
32:23
Speaker 3: just go turn the MIC's on. So I came into
32:25
Speaker 3: the podcast room, which I had. This is the first
32:27
Speaker 3: time that I'm sitting at this table, and I picked
32:31
Speaker 3: up he has the Prophet by Khalil Jebroun, and I
32:35
Speaker 3: opened it up spontaneously to a page, and so I
32:38
Speaker 3: like to read it to you, all right, So it
32:40
Speaker 3: says then Almitra spoke again and said, and what of marriage?
32:45
Speaker 2: Master?
32:46
Speaker 3: And he answered saying, you were born together, and together
32:50
Speaker 3: you shall be forever more. You shall be together when
32:54
Speaker 3: the white wings of death scatter your days. I you
32:58
Speaker 3: shall be together than in the silent memory of God.
33:03
Speaker 3: But Let there be spaces in your togetherness, and let
33:06
Speaker 3: the winds of the heavens dance between you. Love one another,
33:11
Speaker 3: but make not a bond of love. Let it rather
33:14
Speaker 3: be a moving sea between the shores of your souls.
33:18
Speaker 3: Fill each other's cup, but drink not from one cup.
33:22
Speaker 3: Give another of your bread, but eat not from this.
33:26
Speaker 3: Give one another of your bread, but eat not from
33:29
Speaker 3: the same loaf.
33:31
Speaker 2: Right, you get it.
33:31
Speaker 3: I'm not eating from your loaf, that's clear. Sing and
33:34
Speaker 3: dance together and be joyous, but let each one of
33:38
Speaker 3: you be alone. So that's a very same famous passage
33:41
Speaker 3: that is read at weddings. But I just randomly opened
33:44
Speaker 3: that up and we were going to talk about our marriage,
33:46
Speaker 3: So there you go.
33:47
Speaker 1: I think that that very well encapsulates kind of how
33:51
Speaker 1: we're approaching this next phase of our relationship as two
33:54
Speaker 1: people who have been together for twenty years. It was interesting.
33:59
Speaker 1: I put up this video that Reese shot and edited
34:03
Speaker 1: the other day called why I Live in a Tent? Right,
34:05
Speaker 1: It's just a really quick, kind of fun like explaining
34:08
Speaker 1: like why I've been sleeping in a tent for two years.
34:11
Speaker 1: And I kind of when we were shooting it, I
34:13
Speaker 1: spoke to the question of you know, what does Julie
34:18
Speaker 1: think about this? And like are you are you in
34:20
Speaker 1: the doghouse? Did she kick you out of the house?
34:22
Speaker 1: Or you know, how does this impact impact your intimacy
34:25
Speaker 1: and your marriage? And I answered that and then it
34:27
Speaker 1: just didn't make sense in the in the edit of
34:29
Speaker 1: the video, so we left it out. So in the comments,
34:32
Speaker 1: like that's all anybody wants to know, Like everybody has
34:34
Speaker 1: all these opinions about what this means and how our
34:37
Speaker 1: marriage must be on the rocks and and this sort
34:39
Speaker 1: of thing. So that's just one aspect of this place
34:46
Speaker 1: that we're in right now, where we are deeply bonded
34:52
Speaker 1: yet living in and supporting each other, yet living independent lives.
34:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would say it is in fact
34:59
Speaker 3: been always the way we were bonded, So it was
35:02
Speaker 3: never before.
35:03
Speaker 1: I think we've gone into a comfort level with it.
35:05
Speaker 1: That's new. Are a little bit more.
35:08
Speaker 2: Matured maybe, but maybe I don't think so.
35:11
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel any different to me really, no, not
35:13
Speaker 3: for my not from my perspective. Well, I feel like
35:18
Speaker 3: that's how we came together to begin with. It was
35:20
Speaker 3: never like you complete me, that was never our sure,
35:23
Speaker 3: we were never that it was like, uh, you know,
35:26
Speaker 3: I will celebrate you as you realize all your dreams.
35:29
Speaker 3: That's sort of the tagline of our marriage, right, it
35:32
Speaker 3: was never I expect you to do X.
35:34
Speaker 2: Y and Z for me. I don't think no, no, no.
35:39
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's pretty amazing actually for me to sit here,
35:43
Speaker 3: and of course I didn't read any of those comments,
35:45
Speaker 3: but for you to tell me that people said that
35:47
Speaker 3: about our marriage, and do you know how much reaction
35:50
Speaker 3: I have to that? I don't know, zero zero, Like
35:54
Speaker 3: literally there is nothing living in me.
35:56
Speaker 1: Well, that stuff doesn't any at all because they have
35:58
Speaker 1: they don't know, so like why would that bother me?
36:01
Speaker 3: But it's just it's cool because it's an indication of
36:04
Speaker 3: the clarity and the truth of where we really are.
36:06
Speaker 3: Because if we were in trouble or we were not
36:10
Speaker 3: not honest about certain aspects, you could never post something
36:15
Speaker 3: like that, you know what I mean. It would be
36:17
Speaker 3: way too vulnerable. So yeah, I mean that just works
36:20
Speaker 3: really really well for us. I think we're both incredibly independent.
36:24
Speaker 3: We're also having this sort of alchemization of extreme polarities
36:31
Speaker 3: between you and me, how completely different we are, and
36:35
Speaker 3: that causes a friction that has been causing, creating an
36:39
Speaker 3: alchemy and an evolution between us and I now don't
36:43
Speaker 3: find you as polar extreme as I did before.
36:47
Speaker 1: Were annoying.
36:48
Speaker 3: Well that's part of it, but I'm sure that goes
36:51
Speaker 3: both ways. Yeah, So I'm sort of feeling like we're
36:55
Speaker 3: starting to sort of become same, like a sameness of
36:59
Speaker 3: metal metal me E T T l E. You know,
37:04
Speaker 3: Like it's like the passage from the Remayana that I
37:08
Speaker 3: read to you, that I sent to you on our
37:10
Speaker 3: eighth wedding anniversary, where it talks about how we've been
37:14
Speaker 3: battered by the shores and the waves of life, and
37:18
Speaker 3: we've come into a certain beauty, a ruggedness of nature
37:22
Speaker 3: that is only achieved through those experiences of life. And
37:28
Speaker 3: so right now, I mean for my sodden and what
37:31
Speaker 3: I do, it's like I don't want you in my bedroom. Like,
37:33
Speaker 3: first of all, I'm doing stuff in my sleep state,
37:36
Speaker 3: I'm processing energy and in my own exploration. So I
37:39
Speaker 3: need that container so that I can develop myself in
37:44
Speaker 3: the manner that I meant to. Same way you need
37:47
Speaker 3: your own spaces, and one of those spaces just happens
37:50
Speaker 3: to be a tent.
37:52
Speaker 1: Yes, the tent I wish I love.
37:56
Speaker 3: But I will just say for the record, I mean
37:59
Speaker 3: our intimate see is actually extraordinarily well and it's still
38:06
Speaker 3: amazing to me that we could be together this many years.
38:11
Speaker 3: And the plus for me for him being in a
38:14
Speaker 3: tent on a daily basis is when we are together,
38:18
Speaker 3: it's like being with my boyfriend for the first time
38:21
Speaker 3: every time.
38:24
Speaker 2: Sorry for this sharing too much, I'll send you guys out.
38:26
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's a good answer, and I think that's accurate.
38:31
Speaker 1: Like I share that perspective. You know, neither of us
38:36
Speaker 1: are people who need to be by each other's side
38:40
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day. But when we do come together,
38:44
Speaker 1: it has to be special. We have to be present
38:47
Speaker 1: and we can make that, you know, that intimate time
38:51
Speaker 1: mean a little bit more, I think. And so it
38:54
Speaker 1: works for us. Maybe it doesn't work for other people
38:57
Speaker 1: out there, but it's been working for us quite well.
39:00
Speaker 2: That's all that matters.
39:00
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, but let's explore this subject of relationships, huh,
39:05
Speaker 1: a little bit more deeply. I mean, there's a lot
39:10
Speaker 1: of people. Look, everybody's in some kind of relationship with
39:14
Speaker 1: another person in some form or another, whether intimate, friendship, family, whatever,
39:19
Speaker 1: And I think that relationships are the root of the
39:23
Speaker 1: majority of most people's struggles and pain. So as somebody
39:28
Speaker 1: who has started, you know, working with other individuals, even
39:32
Speaker 1: counseling people and hosting these retreats and working with people
39:37
Speaker 1: on a pretty intimate level, let's unpack this subject of
39:42
Speaker 1: relationships and where you see commonly people misstepping or getting
39:50
Speaker 1: themselves into situations that are unnecessarily provoking that kind of suffering.
39:55
Speaker 3: Well, the biggest suffering is buying into the prince princess
39:59
Speaker 3: paradigm whatever form, even if it's same sex or you
40:02
Speaker 3: know or not, is thinking that another is going to
40:06
Speaker 3: rescue you or complete you. If you're in that paradigm,
40:10
Speaker 3: and that's where you're beginning in a relationship, you're gonna
40:15
Speaker 3: experience that it's not true, that that just doesn't work out.
40:19
Speaker 3: And I would say that in relationship and in really
40:22
Speaker 3: every single situation, every single challenge that comes up, the
40:28
Speaker 3: answer lies within your own being. So the resolution of
40:33
Speaker 3: it is only happening inside your own awareness. So no
40:38
Speaker 3: one can make you feel another way, or act another way,
40:42
Speaker 3: or experience an event another way then you So it's
40:48
Speaker 3: your own self. And if we can remove whatever we're
40:53
Speaker 3: projecting onto our partner of anything that they need to
40:58
Speaker 3: act a certain way to make you happy or make
41:01
Speaker 3: me happy. If I can remove that, I can say,
41:06
Speaker 3: right off the bat, over fifty.
41:07
Speaker 2: Percent of the conflict will simply disappear.
41:12
Speaker 1: It's very difficult. I think most people when they're searching
41:16
Speaker 1: for a partner, they're innately attracted to another human being
41:22
Speaker 1: that that transcends like their conscious awareness or.
41:28
Speaker 2: Fits their pain body.
41:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, like they're going to trauma. You see this
41:32
Speaker 1: all the time, Like people will will end up with
41:34
Speaker 1: that person who basically mimics the behavior patterns of whoever
41:39
Speaker 1: caused you pain as a young person, Right, And you
41:42
Speaker 1: perpetuate this pattern and you're not even consciously aware that
41:46
Speaker 1: you're choosing that, But that's what your pain body is
41:50
Speaker 1: going to find. That pain body and the other person
41:52
Speaker 1: that matches up perfectly, and you're meeting each other's you know,
41:56
Speaker 1: sort of unhealthy needs in that regard. And I think
41:59
Speaker 1: it takes a lot of introspection and internal work to
42:04
Speaker 1: be able to first of all, recognize that in yourself,
42:08
Speaker 1: and perhaps it takes a couple bad relationships before you
42:11
Speaker 1: become intuitively aware of that and transcend that to find
42:16
Speaker 1: the person that will that will meet you in a
42:19
Speaker 1: healthy way, right, Because often we think we are attracted
42:24
Speaker 1: to a certain person because of reason X, but it's
42:26
Speaker 1: really reason why that is propelling you in that direction.
42:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what I would say, it's taking responsibility for
42:36
Speaker 3: your own love, taking responsibility for the way you feel
42:40
Speaker 3: inside of your being. That takes a level of maturity,
42:43
Speaker 3: and if you aren't ready to, what will happen is
42:47
Speaker 3: what we do is at hum as humans, is we
42:49
Speaker 3: meet somebody and we're like you, you know, and all
42:53
Speaker 3: the hormones are flowing or whatever, the love endorphins, and
42:58
Speaker 3: then we project and image on to the person that's
43:02
Speaker 3: coming from our own inner experience which has nothing to
43:07
Speaker 3: do with who they are. And then we may marry
43:09
Speaker 3: them or end up with them, and when they turn
43:12
Speaker 3: out to not be the projection that we placed on
43:16
Speaker 3: the person, then we become angry with them, right, and
43:19
Speaker 3: we want to throw them away.
43:21
Speaker 1: But even backing that up, we're attracted to that person.
43:25
Speaker 1: And then kind of baked into that is this sense
43:28
Speaker 1: that if they if I can make this relationship work,
43:31
Speaker 1: if I can, if I can get with this person,
43:34
Speaker 1: then this is going to solve a lot of my problems,
43:36
Speaker 1: and I'm going to feel better about myself and my
43:38
Speaker 1: life will be better and a lot of things will
43:42
Speaker 1: be improved. That's part of the projection.
43:44
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful illusion. I mean, listen, I'm a hopeless romantic.
43:48
Speaker 3: I love being romantically in love. It's wonderful. It's just
43:51
Speaker 3: an illusion. It's not it's actually not true, because it's
43:54
Speaker 3: you complete me. It's oh, you complete me, so with
43:59
Speaker 3: your love, then I'm everything.
44:01
Speaker 2: No, the love is coming from inside.
44:03
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying is is that if you become
44:07
Speaker 3: disenchanted with that person who's not living up to the
44:11
Speaker 3: image that you projected in the first place, you'll trade
44:14
Speaker 3: it in and get another person and then you'll recreate
44:18
Speaker 3: the same scenario again.
44:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, and at the same time, water rises to its
44:21
Speaker 1: own level. Right, So, if you're in a certain place,
44:24
Speaker 1: you're going to attract a certain person. And most people
44:28
Speaker 1: look at a potential partner as like they're trying to
44:31
Speaker 1: step up their life, right Like they're looking at that
44:34
Speaker 1: person as somebody who maybe not necessarily will complete them,
44:38
Speaker 1: but perhaps has certain qualities that that person wants in
44:44
Speaker 1: their life. But instead of looking at like I need
44:46
Speaker 1: that in my life, so I'm going to get that.
44:48
Speaker 1: What if you flip that equation and said, I'm going
44:53
Speaker 1: to become the person that I would like to be with,
44:57
Speaker 1: in other words, raising your own water mid so that
45:02
Speaker 1: you're at that level of the person you're trying to
45:04
Speaker 1: attract to becoming the person that you're trying to attract
45:08
Speaker 1: as somebody who might actually be a good partner for
45:12
Speaker 1: that one. Well, that's it. I didn't say that very ellly.
45:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it. I mean you're right.
45:16
Speaker 3: People say, oh, you know, he married up or she
45:18
Speaker 3: married up, So it is something that's in the culture.
45:21
Speaker 3: And yeah, if you had the maturity and you had
45:23
Speaker 3: the awareness to develop yourself into the being, into your
45:27
Speaker 3: most authentic, amazing self, then you're going to have the
45:29
Speaker 3: opportunity to pair with somebody who meets your level. Absolutely true.
45:34
Speaker 3: The thing is is that most people aren't in that space.
45:37
Speaker 3: Most people are in sort of like knee jerk relationships
45:40
Speaker 3: where they're pain body attached to somebody and you know,
45:44
Speaker 3: sort of you have the same level of trauma. I mean,
45:47
Speaker 3: you and I have alcoholism in our families, so there's
45:50
Speaker 3: something about our humor, the way we joke around. It's
45:52
Speaker 3: got alcoholism in it, like that's part of it's part
45:55
Speaker 3: of the program. It's part of the way that we are.
45:57
Speaker 3: You know, our families interacted and we identified and that's familiar.
46:03
Speaker 3: So when I meet you and I talked to it's like, oh, yes,
46:05
Speaker 3: the same humor I have, you know, which is still awesome.
46:08
Speaker 3: But I guess what I would say is in relationship
46:10
Speaker 3: is where we have really one of the greatest opportunities
46:14
Speaker 3: because it ignites it in your face over and over
46:17
Speaker 3: and over again. It's much easier to be single and
46:20
Speaker 3: go live in a cave than it is for you
46:22
Speaker 3: to be, you know, in a modern relationship. So what
46:25
Speaker 3: I would say is, if you're in a relationship and
46:28
Speaker 3: you're running it, you know, up against the edges, use
46:31
Speaker 3: it like it's a beautiful tool. And whether you end
46:34
Speaker 3: up in it forever or some people tell me, you know,
46:38
Speaker 3: my first marriage failed, and I was like, or it completed,
46:43
Speaker 3: the contract completed, it's not failed, you know, And then
46:46
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, yeah, I did get my kids out,
46:48
Speaker 3: you know, my kids did come into the world. Or
46:50
Speaker 3: you know, it's not about like an endpoint, like well
46:53
Speaker 3: you made it to your whole life and your marriage
46:55
Speaker 3: was a success. It's like it's a living, breathing entity.
46:59
Speaker 3: You know, there are days that you and I think
47:01
Speaker 3: about leaving each other probably or you know, it's like
47:05
Speaker 3: it's like it's.
47:05
Speaker 2: Moving all the time. You have to check in, like
47:09
Speaker 2: what's going on. It's a living thing.
47:11
Speaker 3: So it's about being in the flow and understanding that.
47:15
Speaker 3: You know, relationship is a wonderful place for transformation because
47:20
Speaker 3: it will reflect all of your issues right back at you.
47:24
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that that subject of stasis and flow
47:29
Speaker 1: is incredibly important in how we think about our relationships
47:35
Speaker 1: to other human beings. But it's also applicable to everything.
47:39
Speaker 1: I mean, I talk about this all the time with
47:40
Speaker 1: respect to alcoholism. There is no stasis, Like every thought
47:45
Speaker 1: you entertain, every interaction you have with another human being,
47:48
Speaker 1: every behavior that you manifest is either moving you towards
47:53
Speaker 1: a drink or away from a drink. There's no cruise control, like,
47:56
Speaker 1: there's no there's nothing static ever in anything, not in
48:00
Speaker 1: my relationship with you, not in my relationship with my alcoholism,
48:05
Speaker 1: or anything. Everything is in motion. This table feels solid,
48:09
Speaker 1: but it is molecules that are spinning and moving in
48:13
Speaker 1: imperceptible ways. Everything is in flux all the time. And
48:16
Speaker 1: I think if you can adopt this perspective that everything
48:21
Speaker 1: is impermanent and that everything that you do, say how
48:26
Speaker 1: you are is moving you towards what you desire or
48:30
Speaker 1: away from it. And the greater appreciation you can have
48:34
Speaker 1: for the fact that your relationships are always in flux
48:39
Speaker 1: and are always a reflection of how you're approaching them,
48:44
Speaker 1: then I think it allows people to have a greater
48:46
Speaker 1: appreciation for what is most important.
48:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's beautifully said, and just sort of ties it
48:54
Speaker 3: back into how we beg on the podcast, and that's
48:56
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. It's like everything is moving energy and
48:59
Speaker 3: we are creating some experience all the time. We're casting
49:04
Speaker 3: spells with our words, where you know, we're changing scenarios
49:08
Speaker 3: with our thoughts, with our actions, and so ceremony is
49:13
Speaker 3: a way to connect with that unseen energy that is
49:17
Speaker 3: a part of that energetic experience as it starts to
49:21
Speaker 3: move in shape. And so it does mean something if
49:24
Speaker 3: I've taken a moment and held your hand, engazed into
49:28
Speaker 3: your eyes and stated out loud to the universe and
49:31
Speaker 3: to your heart that I love you, that I'm committed
49:34
Speaker 3: to you, and I'm here to stand witness to your
49:38
Speaker 3: glorious expression and evolution and that I am.
49:42
Speaker 2: I am here, and I'm giving you that.
49:45
Speaker 3: Voice that means something. It's not nothing, it means something deeply.
49:51
Speaker 3: And so it's those acts and those little things or
49:56
Speaker 3: ritualistic things that we do throughout the day and the
49:59
Speaker 3: week and the days and the months that create a vision.
50:03
Speaker 3: You know, it takes a life to become the seeds
50:07
Speaker 3: for our life. We planted many many years ago, and
50:10
Speaker 3: there's been countless ceremonies. Ones we've even forgotten that we're
50:14
Speaker 3: just you know, the six of us out by a
50:17
Speaker 3: fire or you know, some sacred event or something like that,
50:21
Speaker 3: that we were we were cultivating the energy for what
50:25
Speaker 3: our relationship is, what our marriage is, what our you know,
50:29
Speaker 3: creative expressions are, and what our family life is. We've
50:32
Speaker 3: been doing that all along with consistency.
50:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not a quid pro quo thing.
50:38
Speaker 2: No, it's not a pill.
50:39
Speaker 1: Doing this for a long time and it doesn't it
50:42
Speaker 1: doesn't pay off in this you know, mathematical equation sort
50:47
Speaker 1: of way, and it's not immediate and it doesn't show
50:51
Speaker 1: up in the way or in the forum that you
50:53
Speaker 1: would like it to or when you would like it to.
50:56
Speaker 1: But I think it's more of a mindset and how
50:58
Speaker 1: you approach your life that that provides your life with
51:03
Speaker 1: greater depth than meaning just meaning.
51:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, that meaning and that connection definitely, and I think
51:07
Speaker 3: that also. This is just to share a little bit
51:10
Speaker 3: more about my benched two months sort of inner experience
51:15
Speaker 3: that I've been in. I was really struck profoundly over
51:19
Speaker 3: the amount of content that is being given into the
51:25
Speaker 3: collective and knowing that thoughts are things, and that technology
51:28
Speaker 3: takes up space. It's like when you feel into the
51:31
Speaker 3: planetary grid or what's happening around the Earth with all
51:34
Speaker 3: the output that's going out there, I felt a real
51:38
Speaker 3: need for discernment, discernment for what information I'm I'm associated with,
51:45
Speaker 3: what am I participating with, and how is that in
51:48
Speaker 3: alignment with my divine design? And what is the highest use?
51:52
Speaker 3: And so I felt very sort of I was given
51:57
Speaker 3: pause actually because I've been experiencing in this in this time,
52:02
Speaker 3: the beauty of having actual physical human friends and support
52:08
Speaker 3: in my life.
52:09
Speaker 2: Imagine that, Imagine that.
52:11
Speaker 3: So I was working with my yoga therapist, Michael Manfredo who's.
52:16
Speaker 2: Just a master at the body.
52:18
Speaker 3: And he said he basically delivered me like a zen sword,
52:23
Speaker 3: little you know, explosion.
52:25
Speaker 2: Into my psyche and and it went like this.
52:27
Speaker 3: I was just trying to stretch my leg in a
52:29
Speaker 3: way and I was in my bedroom and I said,
52:32
Speaker 3: oh my, you know, my leg won't reach, so I'll
52:34
Speaker 3: move the mat and he said to.
52:36
Speaker 2: Me, or we could move the bed.
52:40
Speaker 3: And that just hit me so profoundly at so many levels.
52:44
Speaker 3: And I kept hearing this tape in my head for
52:47
Speaker 3: days afterwards, where I would say to myself, I dedicated
52:51
Speaker 3: my life to moving the bed.
52:53
Speaker 2: And I was.
52:54
Speaker 3: Aware of the limited perspective that we have in our
52:59
Speaker 3: you know, maybe human self of really what is going on,
53:02
Speaker 3: and really thinking about fake news and how we're creating
53:06
Speaker 3: these pockets of experience on Instagram and we think the
53:11
Speaker 3: world is colored this way, and in fact, there's a
53:13
Speaker 3: whole nother color happening in another area. And I was
53:19
Speaker 3: just given pause, actually great pause. In addition being at
53:23
Speaker 3: Revitalize this Wellness summit in June, which was extraordinary, I
53:29
Speaker 3: was asked to give the blessing along with Shaman Durrek,
53:32
Speaker 3: which was beautiful. And I also was taken aback at
53:38
Speaker 3: the focus of mental illness and mental health being on
53:45
Speaker 3: a trajectory of wanting to get it to the visibility
53:49
Speaker 3: that cancer has in fifteen years. And this is like
53:54
Speaker 3: we're trying to solve problems from a way of thinking
53:58
Speaker 3: that is obsolete, that has proven that it is not working.
54:02
Speaker 1: So explain to me your negative reaction to the idea
54:07
Speaker 1: of a spotlight being on mental illness and the way
54:11
Speaker 1: that it is on cancer.
54:12
Speaker 3: So well, what we need is, and this is what
54:15
Speaker 3: was brought into awareness, is we need tools and techniques
54:18
Speaker 3: to facilitate humanity in clearing their trauma. Because all these
54:23
Speaker 3: diseases and all these illnesses and imbalances are a spiritual crisis.
54:31
Speaker 3: It's where it's originating. So if we had this connection,
54:36
Speaker 3: this deep connection, we would understand that all life is divine,
54:40
Speaker 3: and we would understand the power of thoughts and things
54:43
Speaker 3: and ancestral traumas that are lodged in the body. So
54:47
Speaker 3: the way that we become well, the way that we
54:50
Speaker 3: enter into a state of expansion, is not by focusing
54:55
Speaker 3: on the thing that we don't want. So you could
54:58
Speaker 3: use cancer as a subject, and I apologize in advance
55:03
Speaker 3: for anybody who has transcended cancer or become healthy or
55:08
Speaker 3: even used you know, Western methods. You know, it's all
55:13
Speaker 3: appropriate in different individuals experiences.
55:18
Speaker 2: But I'm not one. I'm not marching for cancer.
55:22
Speaker 3: I'm not wearing a pink ribbon to bring awareness to cancer.
55:25
Speaker 3: I'm bringing my life into awareness of spiritual connection, which
55:31
Speaker 3: is beyond any pill pharmaceutical And so this is the
55:35
Speaker 3: problem because we have.
55:37
Speaker 2: To be mature enough to stop playing that game.
55:41
Speaker 3: And it's difficult because there's been a lot of suffering
55:45
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of trauma around it. I don't
55:50
Speaker 3: see that as the way through. So what I was
55:53
Speaker 3: seeing is mental health being presented at the biggest wellness
55:57
Speaker 3: summit in the country or maybe the world, and the
56:01
Speaker 3: trajectory was in fifteen years, we'll have enough focus on it,
56:06
Speaker 3: you know, the same amount of awareness it's cancer. But
56:09
Speaker 3: is there a cure for cancer yet? And how many
56:12
Speaker 3: billions of dollars are being made by pharmaceutical companies? And
56:17
Speaker 3: where is the money in the line of the whole thing?
56:20
Speaker 1: So well, I think there's a there's it's worth exploring
56:26
Speaker 1: this a little bit more in depth. I mean, my
56:28
Speaker 1: I kind of see that a little bit differently in that.
56:31
Speaker 1: To be sure, you know, I'm of the perspective that
56:35
Speaker 1: you know, mental health is it's not everything, but it's
56:39
Speaker 1: almost everything. And we are in the midst of a
56:43
Speaker 1: spiritual crisis of consciousness right now. I think that's driving
56:47
Speaker 1: a lot of the insanity that we see in our culture.
56:51
Speaker 1: And then kind of just beneath the surface is a
56:54
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of of you know, I don't know if
56:59
Speaker 1: you call it illness or a lack of mental and
57:02
Speaker 1: emotional well being, so much so that you and I
57:07
Speaker 1: both know, like you know, you can encounter people that
57:09
Speaker 1: are seemingly high functioning and like they got their shit
57:13
Speaker 1: together and they're productive and have good jobs and families
57:16
Speaker 1: and have the two cars and the driveway and all that.
57:19
Speaker 1: But if you can get them in a trusting place
57:23
Speaker 1: where they allow themselves to be a little bit vulnerable
57:26
Speaker 1: and you just poke them on the shoulder, it all
57:28
Speaker 1: comes out and you realize that we're all carrying to
57:32
Speaker 1: some degree, we're all carrying some form of trauma or
57:36
Speaker 1: or you know, I don't like that word mental illness,
57:39
Speaker 1: but you know, we're not all completely mentally and emotionally healthy.
57:43
Speaker 1: We all have our We all have our battles that
57:46
Speaker 1: we're waiting and things that we're trying to overcome. And
57:49
Speaker 1: I think there is something to be said for a
57:51
Speaker 1: greater appreciation for the fact that this is something that
57:56
Speaker 1: we need to consider in a different way, or at
58:00
Speaker 1: least raise awareness that this is actually what's going on
58:04
Speaker 1: in terms of how we treat that and how we
58:06
Speaker 1: communicate about that. That's a different conversation.
58:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean absolutely, and I get that part of it.
58:14
Speaker 3: And yes, mental illness is not discussed, and it's all
58:18
Speaker 3: around us and in every other family that you come
58:21
Speaker 3: upon has some level, you know.
58:24
Speaker 2: So it is.
58:26
Speaker 3: What I mean to say is that the solution is
58:28
Speaker 3: not in the methods that have not.
58:30
Speaker 2: Been serving us.
58:32
Speaker 3: And so what it did is it brought into my
58:34
Speaker 3: awareness the need for spiritual tools, spiritual tools that are
58:39
Speaker 3: free of isms, that allow people to reclaim their freedom
58:43
Speaker 3: and to live a life of prevention, a life of
58:46
Speaker 3: celebration of true.
58:48
Speaker 2: Health and wellness.
58:49
Speaker 3: And that's in all areas physically, spiritually, emotionally. I just
58:55
Speaker 3: don't see the trajectory. It doesn't give me hope to
58:58
Speaker 3: see somebody say in fifteen years, that's too many people
59:01
Speaker 3: for me.
59:03
Speaker 2: You know, that's.
59:03
Speaker 3: Somebody's brother, child, son, you know, daughter, and so it's
59:08
Speaker 3: a little hard for it. It's difficult for me because
59:10
Speaker 3: I know by even saying this, you know it's I'm
59:13
Speaker 3: going to get you know, there's going to be blowback
59:15
Speaker 3: and people are going to be you know, like freaking out,
59:18
Speaker 3: and I have to step into.
59:20
Speaker 2: A place where I live my truth.
59:23
Speaker 3: You know.
59:23
Speaker 2: It's like, this is what I do.
59:26
Speaker 3: You know, I assist people in transition, I assist people
59:30
Speaker 3: in clearing trauma.
59:32
Speaker 2: I this is my divine design. This is what I do.
59:36
Speaker 3: This is what I did for you, This is what
59:38
Speaker 3: I did over all those years, and this is what
59:41
Speaker 3: fruited the transformation and realization in your life. And you
59:45
Speaker 3: with you in agreement with me, I mean you're we're
59:49
Speaker 3: we're in together, you know, at many, many, many levels.
59:52
Speaker 3: So I don't mean that you know, you're every bit
59:55
Speaker 3: as in this with me as I am. But what
59:58
Speaker 3: I'm just saying is it's just a crisis of spirituality.
1:00:02
Speaker 3: And what I would say is, you know, there is
1:00:05
Speaker 3: a place where you've watched everything on Netflix and there's
1:00:08
Speaker 3: nothing left. There is a place where you've gone to
1:00:11
Speaker 3: every concert or you've eaten every chocolate cake, Like what then?
1:00:17
Speaker 2: You know, it's like there's so much more.
1:00:19
Speaker 1: That's a conversation that we've had a bunch of times
1:00:21
Speaker 1: where it's sort of like, all right, well, we're in
1:00:23
Speaker 1: our fifties, Like everything is kind of like really another
1:00:29
Speaker 1: superhero movie, Like is there anything that we can get?
1:00:31
Speaker 1: Are we just over it now? Like what's next? Where's
1:00:34
Speaker 1: the meaning? Where's the depth?
1:00:36
Speaker 2: Yeah? And the thing is is the life is precious.
1:00:39
Speaker 2: You know, life is so precious and sacred. I mean,
1:00:41
Speaker 2: this is a profound moment in history, and we need everyone,
1:00:45
Speaker 2: We need everybody to be more of who they are.
1:00:47
Speaker 2: So please don't misunderstand.
1:00:50
Speaker 3: I value and honor everybody's individual choice to live there
1:00:54
Speaker 3: like life as they choose.
1:00:56
Speaker 2: It is their right.
1:00:58
Speaker 3: I just feel like it is time for us to
1:01:02
Speaker 3: stop playing the old record, and there's all this other
1:01:07
Speaker 3: energy that's available to us, and so let's start looking
1:01:12
Speaker 3: into that, let's start embracing that, and let's find a
1:01:17
Speaker 3: way to health and wholeness and wellness that is.
1:01:21
Speaker 2: Merged in spiritual awareness.
1:01:23
Speaker 3: So it's all all of the life, not just half
1:01:26
Speaker 3: of the life.
1:01:28
Speaker 1: So if somebody is listening to this and they're feeling
1:01:31
Speaker 1: stuck in their life. They feel like they're ready for
1:01:35
Speaker 1: some form of transformation, whether physical, emotional, mental, or spiritual.
1:01:41
Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that I've realized is
1:01:44
Speaker 1: that there's this cavernous gap between information and action. You know,
1:01:50
Speaker 1: you go to the airport, there's eight thousand self help
1:01:53
Speaker 1: books on the shelf. Like obviously, people love this stuff.
1:01:57
Speaker 1: They love to read about self help. They want to
1:02:01
Speaker 1: learn more about how they can change their life in
1:02:04
Speaker 1: positive ways, whether it's financial or interpersonal or what have you.
1:02:10
Speaker 1: And every month there's a new crop of these books. Right,
1:02:14
Speaker 1: there's an insatiable audience for this information. And yet when
1:02:18
Speaker 1: you can canvass the population, you see a lot of
1:02:23
Speaker 1: people who are suffering in all of these different ways,
1:02:27
Speaker 1: who are still hamstrung, paralyzed, and unable to put that information,
1:02:36
Speaker 1: presuming it's good information, into action in a way that
1:02:42
Speaker 1: catalyzes that transformation that we all seek.
1:02:46
Speaker 3: And this is getting back to what I would answer,
1:02:49
Speaker 3: is this need for personal skin on skin contact. We
1:02:52
Speaker 3: need actual human beings that are in our communities, that
1:02:55
Speaker 3: are you know, that have mastered some aspect of consciousness,
1:02:59
Speaker 3: whether it's a yoga thing, therapists, whether it's an acupuncturist,
1:03:02
Speaker 3: whether it's a physician of Chinese medicine. I have you
1:03:05
Speaker 3: know a body worker who is an artist that's been
1:03:08
Speaker 3: working with my body for ten years.
1:03:10
Speaker 2: One of my closest friends, Scion.
1:03:13
Speaker 3: You can't get this on social media, you can't get
1:03:15
Speaker 3: it in a book, there's no hacking, there's no tips.
1:03:19
Speaker 3: It's like, in order to really mature spiritually, you have
1:03:22
Speaker 3: to go through the experiences. And I also think in spirituality,
1:03:26
Speaker 3: it's quite interesting how we have this program inside of
1:03:30
Speaker 3: us that makes us not want to pay for anything spiritual. Right,
1:03:33
Speaker 3: So the minute somebody wants to charge something, there is
1:03:36
Speaker 3: a recoil like, oh, careful yet, you'll go pay your dentist,
1:03:41
Speaker 3: you know, twenty thousand dollars to fix your tooth. But
1:03:46
Speaker 3: a skilled spiritual therapist can accomplish maybe twenty years of
1:03:51
Speaker 3: therapy in just a few sessions or maybe even one session.
1:03:54
Speaker 3: So it's like we're working with energetics. It's actually an
1:03:57
Speaker 3: energetic and so I would say reach out in your community,
1:04:02
Speaker 3: you know, look, find you know, try to commune with somebody.
1:04:05
Speaker 3: You know. I am doing limited personal sessions, and that's
1:04:08
Speaker 3: not why you know I'm talking about this, but you
1:04:10
Speaker 3: can email me. There's only one of me, and I
1:04:14
Speaker 3: am teaching retreats now, you know, one on one retreats.
1:04:18
Speaker 3: I am working on a program that I will be
1:04:21
Speaker 3: able to share that will be something that you know,
1:04:24
Speaker 3: the population at large can follow. That's one of the
1:04:27
Speaker 3: reasons why I've taken the break. But I'm really discerning
1:04:30
Speaker 3: how to distill it down in the most simple way
1:04:34
Speaker 3: so that somebody can take these tools and go, oh,
1:04:37
Speaker 3: my my dad is dying.
1:04:39
Speaker 2: What do I do?
1:04:40
Speaker 3: You know, how do I present for that? Or I've
1:04:43
Speaker 3: been diagnosed with ternal disease? How do I process that?
1:04:47
Speaker 3: And I want to also just make sure that it's
1:04:49
Speaker 3: clear everybody's journey is unique to them and them alone.
1:04:55
Speaker 3: It is about taking self responsibility. There is no one
1:04:59
Speaker 3: size fits all, There is no not that it doesn't exist.
1:05:03
Speaker 3: So you have to take responsibility for your life, just
1:05:06
Speaker 3: how we've been talking about with health and with not
1:05:09
Speaker 3: eating processed foods and not drinking you know, milk or dairy.
1:05:13
Speaker 3: You know, you have to take your own responsibility. No
1:05:16
Speaker 3: one's going to save you. You have to do it.
1:05:18
Speaker 3: But if you're committed to that and you're committed to
1:05:22
Speaker 3: know yourself. There are many beautiful people alive on the
1:05:26
Speaker 3: planet that are offering support in that way.
1:05:30
Speaker 1: One of the things that I love about this podcast
1:05:33
Speaker 1: is that it's creating community. It's creating a community of
1:05:41
Speaker 1: like minded individuals, many of which feel alone in their community,
1:05:45
Speaker 1: like they're not. You know, we live in Los Angeles,
1:05:47
Speaker 1: like these resources are abundant and accessible to us. But
1:05:50
Speaker 1: if you're living in a remote area where you know,
1:05:54
Speaker 1: the conversations that you're having at the local coffee shop,
1:05:58
Speaker 1: you know, don't reflect this kind of thing, and there
1:06:01
Speaker 1: is no scion body worker. You know that that person
1:06:04
Speaker 1: is going to be able to access in their community.
1:06:07
Speaker 1: You know, what do you say to that person? And
1:06:09
Speaker 1: are there, like some online resources that you can recommend
1:06:13
Speaker 1: or places that you go where you can learn more
1:06:16
Speaker 1: about these ideas and perhaps find you know, people who
1:06:20
Speaker 1: can you know, serve these these goals for you in
1:06:23
Speaker 1: your own community.
1:06:24
Speaker 3: I guess what I would say is those people do
1:06:27
Speaker 3: exist in your own community, and the same way with
1:06:30
Speaker 3: spiritual awareness or exploration, when you turn your face to
1:06:35
Speaker 3: the divine, to the unseen, it will meet you one
1:06:39
Speaker 3: thousand percent.
1:06:41
Speaker 2: So I will say search go ask go find that.
1:06:45
Speaker 3: Grandmother that is the you know, is the medicinal healer
1:06:49
Speaker 3: that you know is hidden down the street. Start asking
1:06:54
Speaker 3: once you have the will, do you remember how you
1:06:56
Speaker 3: used to tell me like it wouldn't matter what party
1:06:59
Speaker 3: we would walk into and you would say, you know, now, babe,
1:07:02
Speaker 3: it'd be good for you, like not to talk, you know,
1:07:04
Speaker 3: don't say anything about your experience last night. And I
1:07:07
Speaker 3: would literally walk into these parties and the one person
1:07:11
Speaker 3: that was like me would be standing next to me,
1:07:13
Speaker 3: and three minutes later we'd be in a full blown
1:07:15
Speaker 3: multi dimensional conversation.
1:07:17
Speaker 1: And for the record, that came off like I try
1:07:21
Speaker 1: to edit you now or I'm trying to like man
1:07:23
Speaker 1: splain or something like that, like please, you.
1:07:25
Speaker 3: Know, no, no, no, but you had like a comfort level,
1:07:28
Speaker 3: but like so people are like really not like if I.
1:07:31
Speaker 1: Could explain and not man explaining, what I would say is, look, Julie,
1:07:36
Speaker 1: the Julie that you're hearing right now is a rather
1:07:38
Speaker 1: tempered version of Julie. Like she's out there, Like you're
1:07:41
Speaker 1: out there in a big way, and you can go
1:07:43
Speaker 1: all the way to the mat and some pretty out
1:07:46
Speaker 1: there ideas And so my own personal This is a
1:07:49
Speaker 1: reflection of me, not you, like my own insecurity, like
1:07:52
Speaker 1: oh my god, like Julie like goes down the rabbit
1:07:55
Speaker 1: hole like talking to person X, like like they're going
1:07:58
Speaker 1: to think, like, know, she's crazy your I know, Oh
1:08:01
Speaker 1: my god, I must be crazy.
1:08:05
Speaker 3: You know.
1:08:05
Speaker 1: That's my own bullshit, Like let's be clear, right, Okay,
1:08:09
Speaker 1: my own insecurity and all of that. But I do
1:08:12
Speaker 1: admit like I copped you, like like like if she
1:08:16
Speaker 1: goes in and starts that, like it's like whoa, you know,
1:08:20
Speaker 1: like what's she going to say next?
1:08:22
Speaker 2: Exactly?
1:08:22
Speaker 3: But normally I would find the vibe of the person.
1:08:25
Speaker 3: So I just offer that. And because of that reason,
1:08:28
Speaker 3: it's really not appropriate for me to share certain resources
1:08:32
Speaker 3: online because it just wouldn't be appropriate to the mass.
1:08:35
Speaker 3: But what I would say is if anybody's feeling like
1:08:38
Speaker 3: you want more information, you can just email me directly
1:08:41
Speaker 3: and then I'll feel into your energy signature and I'll
1:08:44
Speaker 3: offer something that's specific for you.
1:08:47
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:08:47
Speaker 3: So my email is Shrimati music at gmail dot com.
1:08:51
Speaker 3: S r I m Ati Music at gmail dot com. Also,
1:08:55
Speaker 3: I am doing a retreat called Beloved at Miami's Sacred
1:09:00
Speaker 3: and it's November eighth to the eleventh of this year.
1:09:05
Speaker 3: It's an amazing program three and a half days. If
1:09:08
Speaker 3: you want to come and work with me one on one,
1:09:10
Speaker 3: I will be there. Also, I'm doing my first self
1:09:15
Speaker 3: mastery course. This is a very exclusive life activation. It's
1:09:21
Speaker 3: in fact me going into ceremony and activating, facilitating for
1:09:25
Speaker 3: you the expression of your highest divine mission, much in
1:09:30
Speaker 3: the same way that I've done for rich for myself
1:09:32
Speaker 3: and for my family. This is taking place on Gozo
1:09:36
Speaker 3: in the month of October October ten, Gozo near Malta.
1:09:41
Speaker 3: It's the island next to Malta, so you fly into
1:09:43
Speaker 3: Malta October ten to thirteen.
1:09:46
Speaker 2: I'm only accepting eight people. It's a very exclusive mastery group.
1:09:52
Speaker 3: If you feel like that's your divine appointment, you can
1:09:54
Speaker 3: call me as well and I'll ask you to.
1:09:56
Speaker 2: Write something up for me and we'll see about that.
1:10:00
Speaker 1: That was some good self promotion.
1:10:01
Speaker 2: Sorry, well you asked.
1:10:02
Speaker 3: I mean, I was like, oh my god, yeah no,
1:10:04
Speaker 3: And I mean the other thing is true, I mean truly.
1:10:07
Speaker 3: The reason that I've taken this break is I'm literally
1:10:10
Speaker 3: in the biggest research moment of my life. I've this level,
1:10:15
Speaker 3: this need for discernment is it's in my veins, like
1:10:19
Speaker 3: I'm feeling.
1:10:21
Speaker 1: The need to be explain what you mean by discernment.
1:10:24
Speaker 1: When you say discernment, you're talking about your relationship to
1:10:27
Speaker 1: the world and social media.
1:10:28
Speaker 3: Discernment is what energy am I sharing? What am I doing,
1:10:33
Speaker 3: why am I doing it? And is it in the
1:10:35
Speaker 3: highest divine alignment. I'm keenly aware of personality programs right now.
1:10:41
Speaker 3: I can actually see them as separate energies in people.
1:10:44
Speaker 2: It's very weird.
1:10:46
Speaker 3: I'm wondering, like I don't want to I don't want
1:10:50
Speaker 3: to create more karma for myself obviously, and I don't
1:10:54
Speaker 3: want to share things that are not landing the way
1:10:59
Speaker 3: that I want them to, or that are not the
1:11:01
Speaker 3: most effective. So I'm looking for the simplest, most efficient
1:11:06
Speaker 3: way for me to express myself authentically. So that is
1:11:11
Speaker 3: going to be divine through line is going to be reborn,
1:11:13
Speaker 3: and it's going to have a new format.
1:11:15
Speaker 1: You haven't podcasted in a while.
1:11:17
Speaker 3: I hadn't put up a podcast in like two or
1:11:19
Speaker 3: three months, who which is crazy because I love that forum.
1:11:24
Speaker 3: But it's really really important for me to get my bearings.
1:11:30
Speaker 3: So I'm going to be sharing on that a lot.
1:11:33
Speaker 3: I'm going to develop a program which allows people to
1:11:36
Speaker 3: deal with trauma.
1:11:37
Speaker 2: How do you deal with trauma?
1:11:38
Speaker 3: My clients that come to me, they always tell me
1:11:40
Speaker 3: their biggest, darkest secret. And let me just tell you,
1:11:44
Speaker 3: this culture is rampant with sexual abuse, addiction, violence. It's just,
1:11:51
Speaker 3: you know, so many people are dealing with so much trauma.
1:11:55
Speaker 2: And it can be cleared easily.
1:11:57
Speaker 3: We can disconnect from these energies and claim freedom of
1:12:00
Speaker 3: who we are. So that is my heart and my
1:12:03
Speaker 3: intention when I speak about these other paradigms, that they
1:12:06
Speaker 3: have to come down and we have to step into
1:12:08
Speaker 3: our spiritual power.
1:12:10
Speaker 2: We have to.
1:12:12
Speaker 3: The other thing is is that I'm working on a
1:12:14
Speaker 3: new body of music because the music doesn't take any mind.
1:12:17
Speaker 3: You wouldn't have to subscribe to it. You would just
1:12:20
Speaker 3: hear it and the vibration would then have an activation
1:12:24
Speaker 3: for whatever, whoever my tribe is, whoever is vibing with me,
1:12:28
Speaker 3: whoever feels aligned or is listening to my voice, who
1:12:31
Speaker 3: is like feeling Yes, if you don't feel that, then
1:12:34
Speaker 3: you should go far away and find someone else, like
1:12:36
Speaker 3: please Like it's there's so many people in so many
1:12:39
Speaker 3: different energies you know on the planet that you should
1:12:42
Speaker 3: be aligned with only that which truly resonates with who
1:12:46
Speaker 3: you are. And so I have no attachment to, no
1:12:50
Speaker 3: opinion about anything other than I am fulfilling my life mission.
1:12:56
Speaker 3: And now that I have a lot of things in play,
1:13:01
Speaker 3: and you know, you're launching into your next amazing expression.
1:13:05
Speaker 3: And all the amazing work that you've done, Babe, over
1:13:09
Speaker 3: these years, it's really extraordinary.
1:13:11
Speaker 2: It's just extraordinary.
1:13:13
Speaker 3: And I know because I read all the letters that
1:13:15
Speaker 3: you guys send into him, and it's been an extraordinary
1:13:20
Speaker 3: light in lantern for so many people. And so thank
1:13:23
Speaker 3: you for everything that you've done.
1:13:25
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And like I said at the outset,
1:13:28
Speaker 1: it's been amazing to watch you kind of bloom, blossom
1:13:32
Speaker 1: and grow. And we've been talking for you know, I
1:13:34
Speaker 1: don't know, an hour and fifteen twenty minutes, and we
1:13:38
Speaker 1: haven't talked at all about you being a vegan chef
1:13:41
Speaker 1: or vegan cheese or any of the things that people
1:13:44
Speaker 1: traditionally know you know about you or when they think
1:13:49
Speaker 1: about you, that's what they that's the association, like you're
1:13:52
Speaker 1: really kind of that's a part of who you are.
1:13:55
Speaker 1: But the real essence of who you are, I think
1:13:58
Speaker 1: is what you've conveyed.
1:14:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's been again, like a rebirth. I'm
1:14:03
Speaker 3: sort of collecting other aspects of my of my life form.
1:14:08
Speaker 3: And one thing that I'm really excited about is that
1:14:12
Speaker 3: I've stepped into a collective with some extraordinary artists who
1:14:16
Speaker 3: are all very very developed fashion designers. And I can't
1:14:20
Speaker 3: really speak about it right now except I have a
1:14:23
Speaker 3: vision for a future cature movement and uh, and so
1:14:30
Speaker 3: I've been in, you know, in process. That's one of
1:14:32
Speaker 3: the big things that's been coming through. And it's a
1:14:35
Speaker 3: it's a relief. It feels like water to my cells.
1:14:38
Speaker 3: Some of you may not know what. I was a
1:14:40
Speaker 3: fashion designer and had my own collection, my own hundred
1:14:42
Speaker 3: piece collection for quite a few years, and uh, it's
1:14:47
Speaker 3: it's just.
1:14:47
Speaker 1: In my blood.
1:14:48
Speaker 2: It's who it's who I am.
1:14:49
Speaker 3: And I always talk about searching for Sugarman when they
1:14:53
Speaker 3: find Rodrigo and he's painting houses. Yeah, Rodriguez, sorry, and
1:14:59
Speaker 3: he he's painting houses. Buddi's dressed like Bob Dylan. I'm
1:15:03
Speaker 3: like dude, I'm like dude, that's my dude.
1:15:06
Speaker 2: Like for sure.
1:15:06
Speaker 3: So again, it's like in this spiritual exploration, it's embodying
1:15:12
Speaker 3: our life is about cherishing and honoring every part of
1:15:15
Speaker 3: your personality, and that's a part of my personality.
1:15:17
Speaker 2: That I love and adore.
1:15:19
Speaker 3: I love it, and these other artists friends of mine,
1:15:22
Speaker 3: they love an adore fashion as well, and so that's
1:15:26
Speaker 3: been a super exciting opportunity because fashion has the potential
1:15:31
Speaker 3: to shift culture and so I've got some really cool
1:15:35
Speaker 3: ideas and they've got some really cool ideas and energetics.
1:15:38
Speaker 2: On how we could do that.
1:15:39
Speaker 3: And it feels awesome to be in a club with
1:15:42
Speaker 3: three people that I adore so completely as these three individuals.
1:15:46
Speaker 3: So there'll be more about that, but it's been Oh
1:15:48
Speaker 3: and the other thing that's crazy is that our daughter
1:15:51
Speaker 3: Math is a starting art school next week, and so
1:15:54
Speaker 3: we're going to be commuting east of downtown and one
1:15:57
Speaker 3: of us staying downtown with her in a loft for
1:16:00
Speaker 3: health time. Life is going to change, yeah, but as
1:16:03
Speaker 3: a as a part of that, and Tyler, my son,
1:16:06
Speaker 3: was telling me, you know, mom, it's going to be
1:16:07
Speaker 3: great because it's going to reignite all your your artistic
1:16:11
Speaker 3: you know expression. And I used to draw and sculpt
1:16:13
Speaker 3: and paint and haven't been doing that for quite a while.
1:16:16
Speaker 3: So I actually pulled out my drawings from under my
1:16:18
Speaker 3: bed and math has helped me edit it. And I'm
1:16:21
Speaker 3: just feeling so alive in every single aspect of my being.
1:16:25
Speaker 3: But don't worry, we are launching cheese that is coming,
1:16:28
Speaker 3: so uh so stay tuned with that. But anyway, it's
1:16:32
Speaker 3: a it's a glorious time to be alive, and I'm
1:16:35
Speaker 3: super happy to be here and to be your beloved partner.
1:16:40
Speaker 2: Uh from Afar from Afar, as you're in.
1:16:42
Speaker 1: The tenth and I'm across from me right now, I know,
1:16:47
Speaker 1: all right, well, we gotta we gotta wind this down.
1:16:50
Speaker 1: Parting words for the person who still suffers.
1:16:55
Speaker 3: What I would say parting words and the thing that
1:16:57
Speaker 3: I if I can do anything in my expression this life,
1:17:00
Speaker 3: it is to provide the possibility of another way, the
1:17:05
Speaker 3: possibility of another perspective. And what I would say, no
1:17:09
Speaker 3: matter what you're struggling with, no matter what action has
1:17:13
Speaker 3: manifested in your life, be it addiction, be it anything abuse,
1:17:19
Speaker 3: sexual abuse, any imbalance that has been plaguing you, I
1:17:24
Speaker 3: would just tell you that I am holding the vision
1:17:28
Speaker 3: of your purest essence for you and understand that your
1:17:33
Speaker 3: action is not you. Many times we are processing these
1:17:38
Speaker 3: attributes for our ancestral lines, and a lot of it
1:17:42
Speaker 3: is hereditary, some of it is core foundational to who
1:17:45
Speaker 3: you are as a being.
1:17:46
Speaker 2: But I would just.
1:17:47
Speaker 3: Say that you are a divine, precious expression of consciousness
1:17:54
Speaker 3: and I will hold you in that vision until you
1:17:59
Speaker 3: can feel it for yourself.
1:18:02
Speaker 1: And is there anything that that person can do in
1:18:04
Speaker 1: the meantime.
1:18:05
Speaker 2: I think it's the relief.
1:18:07
Speaker 3: I think the recognition, it's a recognition of knowing, of
1:18:11
Speaker 3: knowing that they are so much more than their experience.
1:18:15
Speaker 3: That was what was what I was trying to offer
1:18:17
Speaker 3: that statement.
1:18:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, pleasure to spend a couple hours.
1:18:23
Speaker 2: With you, beautiful to be on the r RP.
1:18:26
Speaker 1: Love you, babe. If you guys are are digging on
1:18:28
Speaker 1: Julie aka Shrimati, you can find her at Shrimati on
1:18:33
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram. Shrimati dot com is your website. Divine
1:18:37
Speaker 1: through line is the podcast. Your email? You sure you
1:18:41
Speaker 1: gave your email address out? You're gonna get a bunch
1:18:43
Speaker 1: of emails at Shrimati Music Shrimadi Music at gmail dot com.
1:18:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good, cool, it's best.
1:18:48
Speaker 1: All right.
1:18:49
Speaker 2: You want to take us out, Okay, not mistay,