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Why EDGE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo Can Have A Role For Eagles · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds's.
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  Speaker 2: Back.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on? Everybody.
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  Speaker 3: It's Jeff Mosher and Adam Kaplan. Welcome to training camp.
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  The first practice starts this morning. For those of you
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  who like to listen to Inside the Birds right in
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  the morning, Hopefully you're hearing this before the practice starts.
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  If not, it doesn't matter. We're gonna do two things.
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  We're gonna finish off our series on the issues facing
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  the team on defense. We're gonna give you the issues
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  and the answers that the Eagles have for this from
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  our vantage point. And then also we'll discuss really quickly
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  some of the moves that were made on the eve
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  of the first practice, which we'll get into right now. Adam,
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  the Eagles probably made some moves that if you don't
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  know the names, probably was a little bit of a
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  I don't know. Some people might think it's a nothing burger,
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  but it's not. They signed defensive end. Bear with me, folks,
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  I believe it's I know is the name is obo Okronquo.
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  And they also signed defensive tackle Jacob Sykes, and they
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  waved defensive end kJ Henry hor I should call them
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  edge edge and they also yes edge, I should say
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  and they waved running back Lou Nichols, which I'm only
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  chuckling because we sort of were confused about the Lou
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  Nichols bring back in the first place. But Adam the
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  the edge that they bring in who's played for both
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  the Texans and the Browns.
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  Speaker 1: Obo. Let's just call him Mobo, right, You're.
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  Speaker 2: That's the nickname. I'm told. Yeah, yeah, I've probably worked
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  on gathering information on this guy with the Texas or
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  Browns a bunch of times, and we'll we'll we'll give
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  you intell what happened there with Cleveland. But yeah, he's
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  the guy. Now he's older. Now you know he's older.
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  He is now thirty years old, which he turned in
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  in April. Clearly on the back nine of his career,
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  maybe the last maybe the last four holes on his career,
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  you know, maybe he's the fifteenth hole, fourteenth hole. But
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  there's a guy that there's a reason why he signed
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  a three year deal in March of twenty three with
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  with the worth just under nineteen million, like three dollars
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  under nineteen million. So the guy, the guy was one
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  of the better edge rush sub package rushers with the Texans,
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  and he signed a really good deal with the Browns.
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  Then he's a backup signed to be their third edge rusher.
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  What's troubling though, under Jim Schwartz, the wide nine didn't
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  do it. That's not a good sign. But they didn't
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  sign to be a starter. We talked about a couple
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  of months ago. Hey, the Eagles need another edge rusher.
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  They don't need Clowney, they don't need anyone like that.
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  We know they're going with Hunt and Smith. We're going
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  to get into the issues it answers, but they needed
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  one more guy. They needed someone who's been there and
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  done that. And then obviously the Eagles look at his
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  tape they think there's something left, but he just didn't
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  play up to what they wanted. And as a matter
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  of fact, there was there's a decent amount of guaranteed
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  money and your two for Obo here so that they
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  weren't going to cut him, so that it didn't happen.
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  Year one, year two just didn't happen, and they were
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  just there was no too money and your three. They
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  moved on from him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, listen, it's a good signing. It adds to
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  your rotation. If you make your team right, I mean,
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  you've got you released the edge of kJ Henry, who
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  wasn't gonna factor really in. You drafted Antoine Powell Ryland. Right,
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  you hope you have Patrick Johnson. But this is a
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  guy who if he has a really good case, sort
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  of like I don't want to make it apples to
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  apples with Thomas Booker, but if it comes in has
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  a good camp, you'll.
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  Speaker 1: Find a use for him.
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  Speaker 3: It might be a small use, but he's got a
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  lot more experience in production than kJ Henry, So it's
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  an automatic upgrade right from the start.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's look at the end. This is the
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  rotation right now, it's Smith, it's Hunt, it's Oje Lari Touche.
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  Now they have to see a food cha. They think
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  he's got plenty left in the tank, but he's got
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  It's one thing to do well or show that you
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  could still play in OTA's that's that's one thing. Got
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  to see what happens in training camp in the preseason.
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  So they have a four man rotation. As we've said
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  many times that you brought up a couple months of
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  you need to have three lease for training camp only
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  you'd have three teams your first you're second or third team, well,
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  you know the first two teams are Patrick Johnson is
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  really only special teams player. He doesn't really factor and
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  kJ Henry never factored in. O'shawn Mathis doesn't really factor
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  in yet he could play his way into the third
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  team if he performs well. And Powell Ryland is a rookie.
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  As much as they like him, the God's a sixth
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  round pick, they don't know about him. We know another
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  rookie center how he almost always make the team if
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  you're a seventh rounder. But right now they need that,
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  they need that rotation. And plus you have to understand this,
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  what happens if somebody gets hurt. We've used this term,
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  this is a coaching term. What's our answer if this
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  guy gets hurt, who's our answer? Well, you're bringing an
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  obo here off the bench with Ucha and Ojelari, one
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  of the Ucha and Ojelari right now ahead of him,
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  one of those guys would move up and need someone
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  to replace him. You can't have enough d rushers. Is
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  another point here, Just connect.
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  Speaker 3: Right the other kid they signed, Jacob Sykes. I know
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  he was undrafted in twenty twenty three and then he
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  was signed by the Seahawks. He didn't make the team,
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  he was brought back and then I guess he spent
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  some time with the San Antonio Brahmas of the United
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  Football League. So this is I don't I don't want,
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  I hate the zord can't body sometimes, but it feels
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  like that's really I just don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know why specifically they targeted that area.
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  Speaker 3: But we have talked about defensive tackle and being thin
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  there and you need a lot of those in camp
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  as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah they're thin, you know so, and this will we'll
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  just talk more about the back end. We know what
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  the first four or five guy's going to be like.
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  But after after Ty Robinson, Booker and Byron Young for
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  the third team, you just have Gabe Hall. Well I
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  know that he had he improved in OTA's but again,
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  we will see what this really means. If it means anything,
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  this week we'll start getting an idea. But then their
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  thirteam doesn't really exist, so it's other than Gabe Hall.
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  So you have another guy, that's all. I mean. You
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  need a rotation for the thirteen.
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  Speaker 3: Did you see the two colleges that Jacob Sykes attended.
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  By the way, it's almost as extreme as.
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  Speaker 1: Jaelex's hunt but not not so much.
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  Speaker 3: He went he started off at Harvard and then wound
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  up at UCLA, which is you know, you just don't
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  see that question in LA. Yeah, yeah, but I mean
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  just like Harvard, which is not necessarily a football school
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  exact at all, and then UCLA pretty decent one. So
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  very funny there. He's from Kansas City. Guy, he's six
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  three two seventy. I just had it in front of
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  me and now I lost it. But he's he's seventy seven,
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  so an undersized Uh, probably a three technique type of guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did play in the the UFL.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that was the Brahmas that I was, that
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  San Antonio Brahmas.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting that they're you know, they want to take
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  a look. Again, it's just a back end player, highly
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  unlikely to make the team, but you never know when
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  these guys come in. If they if they ball out
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  and put good tape together, you never know if they
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  could play in the league.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, all right, our patriot.
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  Speaker 3: Remember tonight will have will have the weekly Ask ITV
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  that link. It should be a very very well attended
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  bar room style ask ITV Livena. I imagine you're gonna
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  have thirteen, fourteen to fifteen people up in there ready
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  Now we will dive into completing our two part series
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  on the issues in camp and the answers that we're
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  gonna give you issue number one. Now, I think that
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  they have already an answer for this issue, but we
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  will go through some outside answers.
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  Speaker 1: But it's the plan to adequately.
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  Speaker 3: Replace Milton Williams, and we've discussed this a little bit, Adam.
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  They this is the time for third year defensive tackle
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  Loro Joemo to step up.
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  Speaker 1: And seize the role. But this will be a proving
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  ground for him.
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  Speaker 3: He's not played this many snaps before that, he's going
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  to play, and he's got a show not only that
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  you can play that volume, but also be as productive
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  as Milton Williams was, which is gonna be very difficult
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  because Milton had a great year last year, and then
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  right behind him Adam. You know, there'll be some guys
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  chomping out the heels for some playing time there.
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  Speaker 2: You know what's interesting that mill Williams is that he
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  was good immediately when he was drafted in twenty two,
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  Like he just he wore a twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, twenty two, you're right, Oh no, no, I'm sorry,
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  twenty one.
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  Speaker 2: Forty years yeah, yeah, because he was a freegent this y, yeah,
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  it would be twenty twenty one. He was good immediately.
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  This this guy just got better every year. He's good immediately.
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  He was really big surprise coming out of Louisiana Tech.
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  But O Joe Mon Williams are just they don't play
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  the same way. Woms is way stronger. O Jem's got
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  much better upside as a pass rush, a little bit
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  faster quick step. But Williams is a technician, tough, physical, smart.
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  It's been a really an incredible story development. But you know,
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  what O Joeo's been a good story too.
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  Speaker 1: He has.
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  Speaker 3: I was just about to say, you know, Ojomo really
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  has played well when he's been put out there. He's
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  not You're right, he's not the same player. But what
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  he has done well, he's done well. And then he
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  gets off the ball really fast.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. And and Ty Robinson has got a little
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  bit better versatility from what we understand than Ojomo. They're
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  super excited about Ty Robinson, but they're young players. Ty
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  Robinson's rookie O Jomas in his third year. O Jomo
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  now will be considered a starter. Now, a starter could
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  be fifty percent on the snaps, it could be forty,
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  it could be seventy percent. That's something that they're going
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  to work through once they see Yojomo work with the
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  first team in training camp and see how he does
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  technique wise, especially then the question is then the answer
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  we just gave you was Ojomo and Robinson. But there's
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  a another part to this. What if it doesn't work?
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  What's the answer. Now? The list is getting smaller. A
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  bunch of veteran d tackles who signed over the last
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  two weeks. Here are the best guys available Jordan Phillips
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  was with Buffalo, Maurice Hurst who has been around with
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  the Browns, the Raiders, the Niners. Quinn Jefferson is is
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  is an older guy, a pretty good character guy. JaMarcus
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  Walker's got some position versatility. He's playing in thirty four
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  and forty three. And Jah hod Ward, who's been a
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  he's still playing. He hadn't retired. He's been on a
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  bunch of teams. So there's some journeyman types. But this
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  is why the Eagles went with the with no veterans
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  last year terms of their defensive line. They did they
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  wanted to go young as they thought those guys would
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  be better and it was the right choice.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I will say, you know, I feel like
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  that those names you mentioned, the available veterans will be
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  a last resort and if things just don't work out
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  between the Joe Moo and Robinson the way the Eagles
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  want it to, I'm not going to dismiss the idea
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  because the coaches have told us this. They they believe
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  that they saw improvement from Jordan Davis as a pass rusher.
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  So I'm not going to put a lid on it.
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  I have to see it first myself other than in
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  small spurts, but he is a candidate. And then Adam,
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  you mentioned Gabe Hall and Byron Young. I mean, these
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  are two guys who with a year of seasoning in
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  the Egos system and coaching under their belt, could perhaps surprise.
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  Speaker 1: I mean one guy was a third round pick.
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  Speaker 3: The other guy we thought should have been drafted and
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  has a really good athletic body. So those, I would say,
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  those three guys to me, are more likely to have
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  one guy step up and sees it than them have
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  to go to the street free agent route. But it's
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  good to present both sides of the like what's out
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  there just in case.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not great that it's out there. That
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  the list was, boy, it was about a month ago,
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  was pretty robust. But once you get hugging up to
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  start a training camp, guys all of a sudden want
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  to sign you. They don't want to deal with the
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  OTAs and stuff. Some guys probably will you know what,
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  I don't want to be there, man, I don't be
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  here in the hot weather. Sign sign me in late August.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, we'll.
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  Speaker 2: See if their jobs available, So that that's the plan
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  that those are the answers that detacle. It pretty much
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  covers it now and as we get through the show,
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  as we talked about on Offense earlier this week, if
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  we here that it's not looking good, we'll give you
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  a list potential targets some around mid August, if we
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  only hear that it's not going well and won't give
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  you a potential of trade targets from other clubs for
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  this position.
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  Speaker 1: Got it all right?
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  Speaker 3: Issue too, something we've talked about quite a bit. There's
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  no more Josh Swett. There's no more Brandon Graham. That
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  is a lot of years of experience, that is a
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  lot of high level play, high level leadership production, hurries
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  sacks over the years, I mean even many years for
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  Brandon Graham. But Josh Swett sort of like like we
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  discussed with mill Williams, Josh Swett was a fourth round
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  pick who just played well pretty much as soon as
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  he became an Eagle, you started to see why he
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  was one of the top by I think it was
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  one of the top high school recruits.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and then he hurt his knee and that hurt
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  his draft stock.
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  Speaker 3: But outside of that small time in the end of
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  twenty twenty three, where the whole defense kind of imploded.
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  Josh Swett gave a lot of great contributions to this
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  Eagles defense and became a really fabulous story. We know
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  about Brandon Graham. The answers, though, ad they're right there.
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  The answers to the test are there. They just have
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  to be the answers.
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  Speaker 2: However, though, okay, it's it's Hunt and Nolan Smith. Now
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  what we really haven't talked about before? What would be
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  the plan. Everybody knows that Ojelari is going to enter
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  training camp as the third at tressure, that's not this point.
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  What if Smith coming back from his surgery? Remember last
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  training camp? Last year's training camp really didn't show that
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  he was ready to be a contributor at a high level,
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  and it was one of those amazing stories. As the
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  season progressed, Danny became a player, we got to see
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  what this looks like right in training camp. Hunt is
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  a full time player. As high as we've been on him,
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  as much as we followed his career before he was drafted,
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  and we got a tip that we got to be
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  on this sky, not for the Eagles, but just overall.
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  When we were doing draft shows with Greg Osell. We
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  asked we beg Greg finest tape and watch it. This
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  guy's going to probably go in the third round. And
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  he did to the Eagles, which is interesting. But now
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  he's progress as he did late last season and everybody's excited.
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  But he's never he's not been asked to play full
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  time at the NFL level. This is only fourth years
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  an interrusher. What if it doesn't work. Now, they signed Obo,
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  as we just talked about a couple months ago, they
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  have they have Ouce, So those are the guys who'ld
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  be next. But what if o'jer lari if he gets hurt.
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  Look if these guys get hurt. And it's very clear
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  again as we said three months ago, they do not
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  want to sign a big time interrust. Why because they
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  want Hunt to play, They want Smith to play. That's happened.
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  Like they haven't done that. They haven't the drafts, they
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  haven't signed anyone who's a big time So if it
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  doesn't work with these guys, or they get an injury
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  and they need one more guy, here's the available Edges Clowney.
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  We talked about this a couple of months ago. He's
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  going to have to accept if he came to Philly.
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  You're not gonna play very much if these guys are healthy.
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  But if if Hunt can't, say, can't handle playing seventy
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  percent playing time, they need someone like Zadarius Smith, Genevian Clowney,
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  Matthew Judah, Shaq. Barrett's out, they're prest Smith, Tyas s Bouzer.
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  It's a buyer's market. They need someone for that edge
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  roll you talked about Beiji and that thirty thirty, maybe
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  twenty five percent Iskwanni gonna be willing to do that.
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  I don't see that. Now. Do you want to have
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  a chance to win a Super Bowl? That that that's
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  a This is the discussion we had weeks ago. But
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  they don't really need that right now. They have with
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  this signing of Obo. They've got enough of the two
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  young kids, Smith and Hunt. They've got the two vets
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  Ojelari and Ooh, and they've got Powell, Ryland and and Obo,
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  so that they've got their six for training camp. They're
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  good there. Yeah, but if someone gets hurt, it changes.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 3: I think they've done everything they can to answer the
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  question of what if Hunt and Smith aren't ready to
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  be the full time starters and productive and they've given
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  themselves o Jeli and U and now Obo. I mean,
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  they've armed themselves with enough. You have to just have
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  to hope it works out, but if it doesn't, you
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  do like the fact that they're somewhat of a buyer's
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  market as long as those some of those guys you
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  mentioned are willing to accept those roles, and I think
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  at the stages of their careers they if they want
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  to win a ring, as you mentioned, they probably would
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  would be alright with that.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see. I mean, I can't speak for.
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  Speaker 2: All of them, but I can't spa for Clowney.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, he could still play.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The Panthers made it clear they just wanted to go
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  young because they know they're not winning. They might as
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  well start playing younger players and develop them. But Clowney
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  could still play. I mean, there were questions three years
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  ago with Cleveland. It didn't end well for him with
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  the Browns, but each of the Panthers, I know I'm
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  talking to them, they thought he could still play. To me,
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  he's a no more than fifty per playtime. I don't remember.
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  He's not a big time met rush to spite all
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  the rumors or what people think. He's just a big name.
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  But the thing about him is he's long, he's powerful,
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  and you could play him inside a nickel like in
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  your d line and that that's that's a that's a
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  real good value he That's what I know. The Eagles
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  have been intrigued by him over the years, but they
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  never really made a run at him. But he's out
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  there and they'll say if they need to do something,
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  but again they want to get Smith has come back
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  from the turn triceps. He should be ready to roll here. Hunt.
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  We just have to see what he can handle. And
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  they're going to know, by the way, they'll know by
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  mid August because we gave the schedule off for the
• 17:15
  first three weeks. But by mid August they're gonna know
• 17:18
  where Hunt is.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Right right by the way.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Von Miller was at one point on that list. But
• 17:23
  he is now with the commanders who really needed some
• 17:25
  edge rush, and we'll see how much juice that he
• 17:28
  has left, because I imagine he'll actually be given some
• 17:30
  opportunity to get out there and improve it given what.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: They need on the at the edge rush.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Let's let's move on issue number three, because you know
• 17:38
  when we give the answers, Adam, I'm not as comfortable
• 17:40
  with these answers, and yeah as maybe anybody else for
• 17:43
  the organization even is. And the issue is replacing Nikobe Dean,
• 17:47
  who's probably not gonna be back until October, as we
• 17:51
  understand it. And the answer is, well, they've got Jeremiah
• 17:54
  Trotter Junior entering year two, and they've got a rookie
• 17:58
  and Smile Mind and was picked in the fifth round,
• 18:01
  and also their first round pick. John Campbell is someone
• 18:05
  that they see starting off his career as long as
• 18:07
  he's back sometime in August at that position too.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: But we're talking about a lot of ifs here.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: We're talking about two rookies who've never played an NFL down,
• 18:15
  and then Jeremiah Troynter Junior entering year two, who honestly
• 18:19
  we like, we heard great things about, We know the
• 18:21
  organization likes him, but again, not a whole lot of
• 18:23
  experience on defense for a team that's trying to win
• 18:27
  a Super Bowl.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: And they're really light by the way. So it's Trotter
• 18:30
  Junior's up first, and they got Smile Mind, and they'll
• 18:33
  see about Campbell whenever he starts working with him is
• 18:37
  once he's cleared, and I want to get back to
• 18:39
  Dean in a minute. But once he's cleared, they got
• 18:41
  it to see how he is picking the defense up.
• 18:44
  You know that's got great coaching with Fangio and Bobby King,
• 18:48
  but you don't know. He's new to them. They don't
• 18:50
  know the player. They know what the tape look like.
• 18:52
  You know, they know he's explosive. He's got tremendous size
• 18:55
  for instet backer doesn't get any better than that, tims
• 18:57
  of size, and you know he's local. Let's be an eagle.
• 18:59
  They love having him, but until you get him on
• 19:02
  the field, you don't know. Now, getting back to Dean,
• 19:05
  Let's say he surprises people, but it comes back earlier
• 19:07
  than a first week of October. Let's say let's say
• 19:12
  he Let's say they don't have them in reserve pup
• 19:16
  to start the season, because you have to miss four
• 19:18
  games if you're on reserve pup. That it's not six anywhere.
• 19:21
  They changed the rules, by the way in recent years
• 19:23
  to clear that up. But let's say he's he's ready
• 19:26
  in second week of September. There's a different level of readiness.
• 19:30
  People can't assume he's ready to start. Like it's one thing, okay,
• 19:32
  you know what he could contribute, but at what level
• 19:35
  You're not gonna know till you get there. He may
• 19:38
  just have to be a backup the season. They're not
• 19:39
  going to know on Dean coming back with tour and
• 19:41
  pro teller ten And that's a worse injury than ACL.
• 19:45
  People could talk all, oh, he's running well. Well, we
• 19:47
  learned this, and this is a different ensue with Sidney Brown.
• 19:50
  Remember the media was talling, Oh boy, he looks great.
• 19:51
  He looks like he's gonna be ready for the season.
• 19:53
  Just because he runs well in a straight line means
• 19:55
  he's ready. Right, People don't know what they're looking at
• 19:57
  when they're a practice, he said on a Jason Field,
• 20:00
  So be careful. This is a devastating kne injury. I'm
• 20:03
  glad he's doing well, doing well and being ready to
• 20:06
  play or two different things.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Sidney Brown is an interesting I mean,
• 20:10
  the guy didn't even play his first game until October twentieth,
• 20:15
  where he wound up playing nine snaps on defense.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I mean that's not quite a lot.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I mean he didn't play double digit snaps on defense
• 20:22
  until that week.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Sixteen game against Dallas.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I think it was where he played ten, so, I
• 20:27
  mean he just didn't play a whole lot. I mean
• 20:29
  there wasn't he played special teams right from the start.
• 20:34
  But that's not what they're looking for from Kobe Dean.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: They're looking for him to be able to come back
• 20:38
  and be a starter.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: So we'll say, it's such a bad injury, and you're
• 20:42
  trying to do this in season most likely it's hard. Man,
• 20:45
  It's sorry now the answers we just gave you, but
• 20:49
  we're going to take this a step further. Okay, Well,
• 20:51
  what happens if trout juniors inconsistent? Mandid who's got better,
• 20:54
  He's longer, more explosive. If you don't think he's ready
• 21:00
  something you know they've done. Hang on one second, they've
• 21:04
  done a lot of patchwork before.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, even by the way, an injury, even
• 21:09
  an injury, it doesn't have to be they're not happy.
• 21:10
  I mean, you're just one injury away from really needing
• 21:14
  some names here. Because one injury, I mean you're you're
• 21:17
  already down to the rookie free agent, probably on.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Your on your third string.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: You know, Trot and Bond will be your first string,
• 21:23
  and your second string will be Mond then will get
• 21:27
  in there and maybe when when Campbell's ready.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: He'll be in there.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: But I mean, who's the third stringer from Toledo that
• 21:34
  they brought in?
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Lance Stixon? Is that it?
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm honestly surprised they don't have a vetter like
• 21:42
  one of these guys that you're about to talk about
• 21:43
  already in camp ready to go.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: But and that's why we have this list. So the
• 21:47
  one guy sticks out. And by the way, again this
• 21:49
  list has been picked over. That's why we're updating it.
• 21:52
  Cause you're white. Who they know like they it's talk
• 21:55
  about plug and play. He knows the defense, so because
• 21:59
  he played on again and he was running fangio, so
• 22:02
  you know the defense. And obviously in White played with
• 22:05
  the Cardinals. So yeah, he's he's ready to go. Yeah. Now,
• 22:09
  now obviously he's on sign. He's not the same player
• 22:11
  he once was, but he could still play. Eric Kendricks
• 22:13
  Michael's younger brother. Tons of injuries, he's playing a thirty four,
• 22:18
  he's played on man fronts. You're just talking about a
• 22:22
  guy who you need for depth. And Juwan Bentley's much
• 22:26
  younger who's very talent. Was a good story development of
• 22:28
  the Patriots, but he had a knee injury a couple
• 22:30
  of years ago and they don't want him, so he's available.
• 22:34
  But the list, that's pretty much it. That's pretty much
• 22:36
  it for ILBS.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: But I could look at my file here, so those
• 22:41
  are all the answers, man, But I'm fascinated to see Mondon.
• 22:47
  I'm gonna look more into maybe you might as well.
• 22:49
  Why was he not drifted higher? I know he's on
• 22:51
  the thinner side, but so what today's NFL Linebreckers not
• 22:54
  to forty to fifty?
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, that's a good point, part of that
• 22:58
  great Georgia defense, great athlete.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I am surprised it can't just be sized. I wonder
• 23:02
  if it's similar. We'll look into it.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: But you know, Nikobe Dean was a third round pick
• 23:06
  because of you know, size and injury concerns. So yeah,
• 23:10
  let's look into that and smile and figure out why
• 23:12
  he was just a fifth rounder A right. The last
• 23:15
  the last one is a really difficult answer discussion, because
• 23:17
  this is not like you're pulling guys off your bench
• 23:20
  that you think you can really compete here and that's
• 23:23
  if kiey Ringo or Dorry Jackson duke it out there
• 23:25
  to replace Darius Lay and the Eagles aren't happy with either,
• 23:29
  where do they go at him? Because you know, then
• 23:31
  you're looking at Eli Rix or maybe even the fifth
• 23:34
  round pick Mac McWilliams, who I thought kind of stood
• 23:37
  out a little bit OTA's but I mean, like you
• 23:38
  always said, that's that's double a.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: You're a rookie. Once the pads come out, it's a
• 23:43
  totally different story.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: But those would be the only in house options that
• 23:47
  you'd consider realistic. So that would actually make you want
• 23:50
  to look outside the organization.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, mac mcways may get a work,
• 23:54
  get some work on the outside, but yeah, he's short orange.
• 23:58
  We've talked about him, and it's it's it's unlikely, but
• 24:01
  you can't say it couldn't happen, But it's unlikely. Caster
• 24:04
  Fields is there out of your school Penn State, Parry
• 24:08
  Nickerson is more of a nickel now the in house
• 24:11
  The one thing though that they could do and this
• 24:14
  could happen, there's there's definitely could happen is they moved
• 24:16
  the gene to corner. That could definitely happen. If if
• 24:19
  they're not happy with Jackson Ringo. Now that's that's where
• 24:25
  mac McWilliams becomes a factor, like he's like or Perry Nickerson.
• 24:30
  That's how Parry Parry Knickson can make the team. If
• 24:34
  the outside guys are not doing well and Coop Coop
• 24:36
  could play outside in base, he might be playing corners,
• 24:39
  as Vic said, So I know they don't play a
• 24:42
  lot of it, but the fact of the matter is
• 24:44
  he was drafted to play corner. As we said. When
• 24:46
  he was drafted, that's what they wanted to do. Plans changed,
• 24:49
  they're allowed to do that, so he might be doing that.
• 24:53
  If it doesn't work out with the Jackson ring we
• 24:55
  we something we're going to keep an eye on. Man.
• 24:57
  I'm I'm very curious to see how this works out.
• 25:00
  And this is another one one of the first two weeks.
• 25:02
  We're probably gonna know, probably gonna know.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would think so we'll know real quickly
• 25:06
  on that one.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Last year, by the way, with with Rogerson Ringo first week.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Who would be a good out of the out of
• 25:13
  the nah outside the box or outside the organization fit
• 25:18
  You think if they really wanted to go get somebody.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Else see true fit see to me with the Santi
• 25:25
  Hima junior. Anywhere he goes, he should be starting now.
• 25:27
  I know he's got to get clear from the the
• 25:29
  neck issue. He's the starting corner. He's young, he's relatively young.
• 25:33
  So if he's available, if he has not signed by then,
• 25:37
  which would surprise me, but if he didn't, that's a
• 25:39
  guy you got to look at. Kennel Fuller could play nickel,
• 25:42
  he could play corner.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Stephen Gilmore, the promise Gilmore, as we've talked about him before,
• 25:46
  he don't really fitting zone. That's why the the the
• 25:48
  Bills moved off of him when uh, when McDermott came in.
• 25:53
  Is that, uh, it just didn't fit his own system.
• 25:55
  He's a better man cover corner, so it wouldn't be
• 25:58
  a great fit here. He's great. He's gonna be a
• 26:00
  Hall of Famers great. Gilly Locke is a great player,
• 26:02
  but he can still play. He's older than Slagh by
• 26:04
  the way, but that's it really, to be honest with you,
• 26:08
  Fabian Moreau, he's a thirty thirty, he's a fourth corner.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think you know in this situation here,
• 26:15
  if you're an Eagle fan, you're just hoping one of
• 26:17
  Ringo or Jackson really works out and can can slide
• 26:21
  in there for slag, but you hit it on the
• 26:23
  head that will not be easy. Sleigh played really well
• 26:26
  for this team, especially at his age and reliability. He
• 26:29
  gave the team a lot two super Bowl trips in
• 26:32
  a ring, so that one's going to be a hotly
• 26:34
  contested contest.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Leadership just didn't match all summer YEP leadership. Uh And
• 26:39
  by the way, where it didn't look good, where it
• 26:42
  looked like he lost his step in the middle of
• 26:43
  the season. Remember he closed the season very well. Yeah,
• 26:47
  you know, so we'll see one million, one year, ten
• 26:50
  million that he got from the Steelers. Uh So, and
• 26:53
  the Steelers kind of revamped their cornerback group all of
• 26:55
  a sudden with Jayla Ramsey and Slay but finishing off
• 26:59
  the Eagles. Here this is where how he's got up
• 27:02
  to thirteen draft picks next year. This is where I'm
• 27:07
  wheeling and dealing, just like he did for Ronald Darby.
• 27:09
  So this this will be in play if they're not
• 27:12
  happy one way, how he's not. He's just this is
• 27:16
  what makes him great. He's just done care. He's fearless
• 27:19
  man he's where you got so many conservative gms who
• 27:22
  oh no, we're gonna build from within. We'll just sign
• 27:25
  some journey man. We'll get through it. That that's I'm
• 27:28
  not saying how he's perfect with that stuff. He tried
• 27:30
  to patchworker a couple of years ago to ILB didn't
• 27:32
  work very well. But this time he's got a lot
• 27:36
  of administry for next season and he's you know, he
• 27:39
  spares no expense and he's got the backing of the
• 27:42
  owners to do what he needs to do. So this
• 27:44
  is one we'll be keeping an eye on again. We'll we'll, we'll,
• 27:47
  we'll search around if it doesn't look good. If we
• 27:48
  hear it's not going well, we'll give you our list
• 27:51
  of guys so that could Eagles can potentially target.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: All right, Andrew Checko, We'll be at the practice today
• 27:58
  and for almost every single I'll be there Thursday, Adam
• 28:01
  will be there over the weekend.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I believe you said you're gonna.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Make Yeah, I might, yeah, who knows you. I may
• 28:05
  show up one at least today or tomorrow.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: So by the next time you hear an Inside the
• 28:09
  Birds podcast, we're gonna have a lot of good stuff.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: To talk about.
• 28:13
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