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#230: The Descent (2005) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Hello, what's your least favorite scary movie?
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  Well, it's Mudblood and beer. Sweet Jesus.
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  Welcome to What's your least Favorite scary Movie?
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  The podcast where we talk about the good, the bad, the ugly and
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  the absurd in all of our. Favorite and least favorite
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  scary movie Because we believe every horror movie rightfully
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  has its fan base. Even if we don't.
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  Always get it? My name is Travis.
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  My name's Jesse. And welcome back, everybody.
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  We are digging deep into The Cave today.
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  Yeah, that's right. Because we're going caving.
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  We're going down under. We are.
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  Yeah. Spelunking how?
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  Often do we get to use the word spelunking on this podcast?
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  Not often enough, I say. That's true.
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  I think that's that's the first for this podcast.
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  You guys are experiencing a very first.
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  We're talking about the descent today, everybody.
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  Yay. This has been a long time coming
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  on the show. We've, you know, we've had a lot
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  of people request this one, so we figured, damn it, let's do
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  it. Yeah, it it didn't help that we
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  also recently watched Fall, which feels almost like a
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  spiritual sequel to this movie in a lot of ways.
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  Up and set it down. Yeah, yeah.
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  Well, then, down again. Then down, you know but same as
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  this movie, down but then up. And then down.
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  Again, we go all the directions. So yeah, we're going to be
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  talking about that. But before we do, do we have any
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  announcements? We have a couple of
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  announcements. First is that by this point,
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  budget tier patrons, you should have had your vote in for the
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  September movie that should be posted and you should have
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  gotten it voted because it's almost September.
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  And also, your bonus episode should be out as long as nothing
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  changes between when we record this and when we record that we
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  are playing a game where we see how good our memories are about
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  our own show. Yeah.
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  So that that we're, we're looking forward to it.
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  Exploring episodes of the past in a way.
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  In a way. Yeah, that's a good time.
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  So be on the lookout for that. And also this week we are guests
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  on another podcast, Attack of the Killer Objects.
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  If you just didn't get enough of listening to us talk about
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  Child's Play Two last month, have No Fear.
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  That is what we're discussing on Attack of the Killer Objects, so
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  we'll be sure to put a link to that in our show notes right
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  below, so check that out if you wanna go listen to that.
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  Yeah, it's a good time. Fun times.
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  Yes. All right.
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  I think that's it for announcements.
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  I do think that's it for announcements.
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  So I have our poll results, OK. And last week we discussed
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  Child's Play 3. There you go.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we did a different child's
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  play. Yeah, so much child's play.
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  Yeah, and we talked about over the top characters and that.
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  So we wanted to know who was the most over the top character in
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  Child's Play Three. And it's between Sergeant
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  Botnick, who was the Barber and Chucky.
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  So Instagram, 83% voted for Botnick.
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  Wow, 17 Chucky and Twitter, 70% Botnick and 30 for Chucky.
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  OK so yeah I mean I I agree. I think he is a more cartoonish
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  character than the killer doll. Maybe that's what inspires
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  Chucky going forward. Like he hears that guy say,
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  presto, you bald. And he's like, you know what?
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  Damn, I need my own thing. Yeah, don't fuck with the Chuck.
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  OK, there. There we go.
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  It works. Yeah, it needs to be workshop a
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  little. Bit we'll, we'll get there.
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  Yeah, Yeah. I was trying to think of the
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  word where they you have focus group, we'll focus group.
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  Yeah, we'll focus groups. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And that's probably what he does.
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  Like, Yeah, it's like a legion of good guy does.
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  Like before he kills people, he's like, now listen, what
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  would you rather hear me? Saying yeah, it doesn't pull,
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  just like us. Yeah, exactly.
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  Exactly. OK, that's it.
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  Yeah. So let's talk about the descent.
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  All right, so The Descent originally released March 11th,
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  2005 at the Brussels International Fantastic Film
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  Fest. Yeah, putting it all right out
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  there. It's at wide release.
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  Was August 4th, 2006. My birthday?
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  Yeah. Happy birthday to Travis on my
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  14th birthday. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I didn't watch it then.
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  Oh OK, well I still happy birthday to 14 year.
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  Old Yeah, I, I did. I watched it like a year or two
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  after that. So yeah, I, I got there.
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  We watched it this year, though, on Prime.
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  And if you want to watch it right now, it's available August
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  of 2024 on Prime, Hoopla, or Phoebe.
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  OK, those are words. I suppose, yeah.
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  What's that? Hoopla.
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  Hoopla is a streaming service. Like in the US.
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  Yeah, I think so. I think it's like related to
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  your library. That's Canopy.
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  But I think also Hoopla does the same thing.
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  OK. Yeah, Dude, we're in the age of
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  streaming services. You don't question them.
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  Now. We were talking with some
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  friends last week and we discovered that there is a Kung
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  Fu streaming service called Hiya.
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  Hiya. Yeah, love that.
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  I do too. Yeah.
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  So hoopla. Yeah, OK.
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  Fair enough. You can rent it on Amazon,
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  Apple, YouTube, or Fandango at home, though, if you choose to
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  do so. Written by Neil Marshall.
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  Also directed by Neil Marshall, music by David Julian and
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  special effects makeup by Paul Hyatt.
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  OK. Cast we have Seanan McDonald who
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  plays Sarah, Natalie Mendoza as Juno, Alex Reed as Beth, Saskia
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  Mulder as Rebecca, Miana burning as or Burning as Sam, Nora Jane,
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  Noon as Holly, Oliver Milburn as Paul, and Molly Kale as Jessica.
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  OK, time for our favorite game on the show.
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  Budget all budgeted. I feel like generally I I tend
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  to lean towards single location movies being more on the bug Ted
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  side because that is one of the great things about a single
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  location is that they tend to be cheaper to film.
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  I wouldn't call a single location.
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  I mean, yes, a cave is large, but it's still a single cave.
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  Yeah, but it's like calling a highway single location.
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  Like if we're doing like Texas Chainsaw Massacre Three or The
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  Hitcher. Yeah, they're on the same Rd.
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  Is that single location? No, they're traveling, they're
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  going around, they're moving. OK.
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  But there's a lot more movement on a highway versus in a cave.
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  They go. They go places, they do.
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  I'm still seeing bug Ted. That's still my answer.
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  OK, I mean it's correct. OK.
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  Yeah, the bug I feel like. You were trying to trick me.
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  I'm not trying to trick you, I'm just I'm debating whether or not
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  this is a single location horror movie.
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  I disagree. Single location I think is more
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  specific to like a single room, like a very confined space.
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  So then I saw two. What's that?
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  That would be single location. But they're not in a single
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  room. They're in a single building.
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  It's a very confined space, the. Building has a tunnel attached
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  underneath it and they escape to it at the end.
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  That's how they get to the bathroom.
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  OK, fine. It's not single location then.
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  Are you happy? No, I want you to broaden your
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  definition. Nope.
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  All right, so the budget for this movie was three and a half
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  million pounds. This is you tell me.
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  I I started to say dollars, but pounds is more correct.
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  This is auk horror film opening box office, $8.9 million.
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  I'm using dollars now because that was the currency and
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  worldwide gross was 57 million. OK IMDb score 7.2.
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  Nice. Yeah, it's really good.
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  All right, so I have a theme for 2005 and the theme don't give me
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  anonymous look. That's the thing for the show,
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  always. I know I just you said 2005.
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  Well, this is a weird thing. Apparently that was happening in
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  this era. OK, And it's what the fuck was
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  everybody's obsession with caves?
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  OK, I didn't even know there were enough movies to make a
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  theme out of that. I was hoping and then God, did I
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  find them. There's there's three more right
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  here, so the first one is called The Cave.
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  OK, that sounds like it's definitely about a cave.
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  Yeah, it sure is that Released August 26th, 2005.
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  Budget of $30 million. Worldwide gross 33 million IMDb
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  5.1. And I actually did pull synopses
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  for these movies just to like share the caveness of it all.
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  So The Cave is bloodthirsty creatures away a pack of divers
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  who become trapped in an honor water cave network.
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  OK, sound familiar? Basically this.
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  Yeah. Sound familiar?
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  OK, this must have been like a collective fear that was
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  happening in this time. What happened in 2005
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  culturally? Well, I guess it probably would
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  have been 2004. Yeah, I don't know.
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  Culturally, that made people afraid of caves.
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  It's a great question. So the next film is the cavern,
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  so The Cave, but you just put RN at the end of it.
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  The synopsis for this and then Asian Desert.
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  A team of explorers learn of a newly discovered cave system and
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  set out to explore it. However, as soon as they begin
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  to descend, it becomes clear that this was a secret that
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  should have been or should have remained below the surface.
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  Sound familiar? Oh.
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  My God. OK.
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  So that released October 30th, 2005 a $150,000 budget that
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  don't have the worldwide gross. IMDb 2.80.
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  That's bad, yeah. That's bad.
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  Makes me very curious. You know, I love me some low
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  budget, low rated movies right there.
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  OK. And the final one is called, It
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  Waits. OK, so nothing with cave or
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  cavern in it. No.
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  So the synopsis Terrorist strikes a young woman and her
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  boyfriend when archaeology students unwittingly unleash a
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  demon from a cave. OK, so this is that's more of
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  the mummy. Yeah, but look at the poster
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  that looks very similar to our boys in this.
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  It sure does. It sure does.
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  So yeah, that and apparently that one's on Tubi so we could
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  watch that too. But that Released October 13th,
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  2005, $1.2 million budget, no worldwide gross.
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  IMDb. 4 out of 10. OK.
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  Isn't that weird though? Like I I I was very amazed that
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  I was able to find. I mean essentially these are 4
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  movies that all released this year that have the same theme.
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  OK so I just I googled real quick Cave deaths 2004.
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  Oh, OK. In 2004, there were several cave
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  deaths, including three teenagers who died from carbon
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  monoxide poisoning while exploring the Wabasha St. caves
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  in St. Paul, MN, on April 29th.
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  Yeah. So I guess that that's the
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  thing. When did the party the nutty?
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  Party Cave. Incident have.
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  What's it called? It's not nutty party.
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  Is it party? It's party.
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  It's something like that. Party cave.
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  Yeah, it's a party. It is nutty party.
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  Nutty Party Cave. Oh my God.
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  That happened in 2009. OK, so.
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  They did not learn their lessons.
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  Yeah, that was that was life imitating art.
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  Yeah, the. Other way around for those who
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  are unaware of that incident, like look it up.
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  It's terrifying. It is terrifying.
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  If this movie made you feel claustrophobic, reading about an
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  actual incident will make you feel very.
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  Claustrophobic. Yeah as well.
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  It's one of the most upsetting stories that I've ever read or
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  heard or seen visually. They they've made diagrams of
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  like what essentially happened in that cave.
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  And yeah, so look that up. Do yourself a favor, or don't if
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  you don't want to be freaked out.
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  Yeah, I just got goosebumps talking about it.
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  OK, so tag lines. OK, the one on the poster scream
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  your last breath. It's uninspired if you ask.
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  Me, yeah. It's see they should have went
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  with this next one. I like this.
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  The scariest movie in Earth. Yeah, I like that.
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  That's pretty good. That's.
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  That's cute. All right.
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  Claustrophobia, disorientation, hallucination, fear.
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  OK. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of my
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  thoughts on that too. I don't even think that there's
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  any hallucination that goes on. They think it's hallucination.
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  Sarah also has nightmares. Depending on which ending you go
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  with, it could be hallucination. That's OK, yeah, also fair.
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  Face your deepest fear. And deepest.
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  Afraid of the dark you will be. Yes, I am.
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  I already am. We're good, Yeah.
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  It's fine, All right? Those are the tag lines.
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  I don't think that they're anything too special, but, you
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  know, like, this movie kind of sells itself.
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  Yeah, pretty much. You don't need, like, a baller
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  tag line to really get people interested in this.
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  Yeah. Cave scary.
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  Cave scary. Cave scary.
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  That's our tag line. Cave scary.
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  OK, so let's do some fun facts. All right?
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  So originally they were gonna have this be a cast of male and
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  female characters, but Marshall's business partner at
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  the time realized that horror movies rarely had all female
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  casts, so they wanted to just go ahead and do all female casts
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  for this. I appreciate.
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  Marshall actually consulted his female friends for this movie to
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  not make his characters cliched or have cliche dialogue.
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  Also appreciate. So they took inspiration from
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  Texas Chancellor Massacre, The Thing and Deliverance on how to
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  build tension in their movies. OK, they critiqued most American
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  Horror films of this era. So they not the era of those
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  movies, but of the 2000s spots. I also tend to critique movies
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  of this era. They their problem was that
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  those movies tend to take the tension and they dial it up to
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  11 immediately and then the movie suffers because it can't
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  keep up for the rest of the duration of the film.
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  Yes. So they wanted to slowly build
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  things and then once, as he described that once things get
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  as bad as they can be in The Cave, he is like, let's make it
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  worse. And that's funny enough, I was
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  listening to skirt notes this week and they were talking about
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  conflict. And basically like, you have to
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  have like ongoing conflict to have a story, and you have to
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  keep upping the stakes. And so if you start off at 11,
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  where do you go from there? Yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah. I mean, you, you can try to
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  maintain that 11, but that's really tough to do.
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  Yeah, yeah. You got to, like, slowly,
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  gradually build your way up to it.
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  So they had a maze of caves actually designed by Simon
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  Bowles, who had 21 cave sets constructed.
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  Yeah. The creatures are called
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  crawlers. I was wondering if there was an
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  official name for them. And they have a back story too
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  that they created for them. So these guys are Cavemen who
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  stayed underground, so they experienced an entirely
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  different evolution from the rest of humanity.
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  I. Appreciate that because when
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  they say like, oh, they evolved to adapt underground and like,
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  that's great. But I was sitting there in my
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  head thinking like evolution takes hundreds of thousands to
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  millions of years to really make this much of a difference.
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  So I love that that canonically that's true for them.
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  Love it. Yeah.
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  And then they like kind of lay the groundwork there by putting
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  cave paintings inside the caves too, which is kind of cool,
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  Which is, it's kind of weird when you first think about it
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  because it's like blind, but maybe not originally.
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  OK. Yeah, like evolution made them
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  blind, but like the ones that could see made markings.
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  Like this is how we get out of here.
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  That makes sense. That makes sense.
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  However, I would say over that duration of time, would these
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  caves not have changed? Because that would have been
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  enough time for caves to completely change.
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  Yes. And that's, I think that's part
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  of the reason it was kept more simplistic like entrance on two
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  sides. That's true, but they have
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  markings. Juno finds markings of like how
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  they are like. This way leads to exit.
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  They also never actually get to the exit, so.
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  They don't, no, But they had markings there.
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  Yeah, they had markings, but you know, they were kind of betting
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  on on something that might not actually pan out.
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  So those because the crawler design was actually hidden from
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  the cast until they filmed their scenes with it.
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  That way they can get natural reactions from the cast I.
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  Love it when they do. That.
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  I like that too. It's always effective.
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  It's yeah, it is very effective. The US version, as we have
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  talked about in the past, has a different ending to the British
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  version, the original version. So for us in the US, the movie
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  ends with Sarah making it out of the case system.
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  She makes it back to her vehicle and she sees the ghost of Juno.
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  And then she screams. We see her eyes, but then it
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  cuts to black immediately. But if you let the movie keep
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  going, like the British version does, you see that Sarah has
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  been in The Cave all along. She never got out.
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  She's staying like she's dead. Yeah.
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  Basically she's. Having another nightmare type
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  thing and the reason? They made that change is because
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  apparently American audiences hated how hopeless it felt with
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  that ending, so they changed it. So they actually learned of The
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  Cave, the film that was coming out the same year at the same
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  time. It was a competing film.
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  They had basically like a like, yeah.
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  So originally this movie was slated to release around
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  November 2005 up to around February 2006, but they learned
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  that The Cave had began filming 6 months before them.
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  So they fast track their production and they ended up
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  finishing it by February 2005, which I think that's really
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  interesting considering they had less of a budget.
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  The Cave as a reminder, had a budget of $30 million.
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  This movie had three and a half million and they had to fast
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  track their whole thing and then they ended up becoming the more
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  successful movie. This is wild.
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  Because an indie film like, either they tend to be shot in
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  the course of like a week or over several many months.
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  Yeah. Because of because of budget
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  constraints. Yeah, exactly.
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  You either knock it all out at once or you have to do it in
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  bits and pieces. Yep.
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  So they ended up working for them.
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  But, you know, some people work better in those restrictions.
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  I think when they, like, have that, like, timeline that they
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  have to have it done. So the marketing campaign for
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  this movie took a hit. They had to readjust everything
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  because of the July 2005 London bombings.
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  And what happened was one of the buses that exploded actually had
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  the poster of this movie on it. And the poster had in its text
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  outright terror. Bold and brilliant, which was
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  not a good look at the time. So they recalled all of their
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  posters. And then they decided to refocus
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  the campaign on the women standing together and fighting
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  back because they felt like that was a more is a better message
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  for what they needed at that time, like fighting back against
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  terror. And they outright just took
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  terror away from all of their marketing after that because
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  they just did not even want that to be featured there anymore.
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  So yeah, those are the fun facts that I had for this movie.
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  OK, so let's get into our discussion.
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  Good, bad, ugly and absurd. Jesse, kick it off for us.
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  What did you like about this? Oh man.
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  There's a lot that I like about this.
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  They've got, you know, like what you were talking about in the
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  Fun Facts. The fact that it's an all female
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  cast and they don't feel like a big heap of cliches is really
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  nice and something that like, you don't get to see a ton.
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  And it was just it, it felt like a believable group of women,
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  some of whom are friends and have some who have stronger
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  friendships. And then we've also got like the
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  obligatory sister pair because I feel like that tends to happen.
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  Like, yeah, it, it just felt, it felt very real.
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  And the the tension does like honestly, I I don't even need
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  the dwellers in this movie. That's how I feel too.
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  Lost in a. Cave is terrifying on its own.
• 21:16
  I'm sold. I'm sold on the premise alone
• 21:17
  that by the time the dwellers come around, I'm like, I don't
• 21:19
  need this. Like let's just keep being in a
• 21:21
  cave. I'm scared enough.
• 21:23
  It's fine. That's usually.
• 21:24
  How I feel too, like anytime like I go, we go for like a long
• 21:28
  periods of watching this movie and not watching it.
• 21:30
  Yeah, and every time, like I in between in that break, I always
• 21:34
  think I don't need The Cave people.
• 21:37
  I just need them to be having difficulties in a cave that is
• 21:42
  unmapped, unexplored. That right there alone is
• 21:45
  perfect for a horror movie. I remember.
• 21:47
  Once we had some friends over and we just had the TV on in the
• 21:49
  background and this came up and it was like right as they were
• 21:51
  about to leave. But our friends are like hikers
• 21:54
  and rock climbers and they just got sucked in and we're all
• 21:58
  like, this is. To be fair, it was.
• 21:59
  Terrifying. It was just one of them that
• 22:02
  kept getting pulled back because the other one was trying to walk
• 22:04
  out the door and the other one just kept standing at the door.
• 22:07
  The mimic of their. Relationship generally, anyway.
• 22:09
  Yeah, it is. Yeah.
• 22:11
  But yeah, and it it captures you because it's so tense.
• 22:14
  It's so. Tense.
• 22:16
  I also, I really appreciate the depiction of Sarah's grief in
• 22:20
  this movie. It also feels very, very real in
• 22:23
  a very relatable kind of way. Yeah.
• 22:27
  You know, the nightmares that she has, the way she panics when
• 22:30
  she is caught. And it's like because when
• 22:34
  you're still in the throes of that very heavy grief, like
• 22:37
  stuff that would normally be stressful or scary, it it's like
• 22:43
  the grief is like a parasite and it kind of like gloms on to that
• 22:47
  feeling and wants to like feed off of it and it makes
• 22:50
  everything worse. So I just thought it was just, I
• 22:54
  appreciate that this movie tried really hard to be real in, in
• 22:59
  the way it's characters are are written.
• 23:02
  It's grounded. All things considered, yeah, all
• 23:04
  things. Well, and I was going to say
• 23:06
  aside from the dwellers, but the fact that they like made them
• 23:08
  canonically like hundreds of thousands of millions of years
• 23:12
  old like they. The we'll talk about that here
• 23:19
  in the next part. All right.
• 23:21
  Do you have any other goods? That's, I mean, that's really
• 23:24
  it's, I just think it's an incredibly well done movie.
• 23:28
  Yeah. OK.
• 23:29
  Yeah, I agree with you about the tension.
• 23:30
  I think that they handle that really well.
• 23:32
  I mean, it's such a great premise of going caving because
• 23:36
  like, I mean, unless you are the splonking type, I don't know,
• 23:40
  like maybe those people get freaked out by that too, but
• 23:43
  that's part of the thrill for them.
• 23:44
  But like, for me, I'm never gonna touch it, so getting to
• 23:48
  experience it second hand with this is really engaging for me.
• 23:54
  And they did a great job designing those sets because it
• 23:58
  feels like you're actually in a cave with them.
• 24:00
  I was. Very nervous for the actors
• 24:03
  during the climbing scenes. And I'm like, oh God, don't
• 24:06
  fall. Yeah.
• 24:07
  It's so well done. They did like the set design and
• 24:11
  everything is just fantastic with this movie and the way they
• 24:13
  play. With lighting, yeah.
• 24:16
  And that even becomes a thing like it's like they knew they
• 24:18
  did their research about how caving.
• 24:21
  And I see The thing is, it could be complete bullshit.
• 24:24
  I don't know anything about caving.
• 24:25
  But when they were talking about phosphor lights that are false
• 24:28
  lights that happen in caves, that's kind of fucking scary
• 24:32
  that you could be fixated on this false light the entire
• 24:35
  time. And then you climb up to it and
• 24:37
  then it's just a a shiny rock. You know that that sucks.
• 24:42
  So I'll give this movie credit for not only being since in that
• 24:48
  situation, but they did find a really good way to make it to
• 24:54
  ramp up the stakes. Even though the stakes are high
• 24:57
  to be they they managed to take it up a notch.
• 25:00
  Like they introduced two things. They introduced The Cave
• 25:04
  dwellers, the crawlers, and they also introduced the whole thing
• 25:08
  of Juno killing Beth accidentally and then Beth
• 25:14
  passing it on to Sarah. So she's like spreading like
• 25:18
  Juno is a killer now, even though we know that's not the
• 25:20
  case. But it created this whole other
• 25:23
  tension between them. And then it's like it added a
• 25:26
  new threat. Yeah.
• 25:27
  And it just like it kept doing that over and over again.
• 25:31
  And it just was so well handled it.
• 25:33
  They did a great job with this. So yeah, this movie.
• 25:35
  Definitely takes the concept of like, what else can go wrong?
• 25:38
  And I was like, well, actually here, if you.
• 25:40
  Yeah, here we. Go yeah.
• 25:41
  And it just, it kept up like there's nothing.
• 25:45
  You don't get bored with this. It just say goes the entire way.
• 25:49
  It's just Oh my, and the opening even like that kill with the
• 25:53
  husband and the daughter. It catches you off guard.
• 25:57
  I mean, everything is just so normal up until that point.
• 26:00
  I mean kind of, but and then when Sarah.
• 26:02
  Wakes up in the hospital and she's running down the hallway
• 26:04
  and the lights are going and you're like, OK, this is a
• 26:06
  nightmare, but it is. But it isn't because then she
• 26:09
  falls into Beth's arms and we're like, no, this is very real.
• 26:12
  And it puts you in the character's head space where
• 26:14
  she's like, no, this is just a bad dream.
• 26:16
  Surely I'm about to wake up and then.
• 26:19
  It's it. It gets dark from the beginning.
• 26:21
  Like they let you know you're not in for a feel good movie.
• 26:25
  Yeah, you're gonna have a bad time with us.
• 26:27
  Here we are. Sexca bomb and we are here to
• 26:30
  talk about death and get sad and stuff.
• 26:31
  Exactly. So some of the bad what?
• 26:35
  What did you not think was well done with this?
• 26:39
  I what did I not like I you. Want me to start?
• 26:45
  I'm just I'm. Thinking, OK, give me a second.
• 26:47
  Just give me, just give me a minute.
• 26:50
  OK? I again, I'm just gonna say it
• 26:53
  like I don't feel like I necessarily needed the crawlers,
• 26:57
  OK? Hey.
• 26:58
  That's I think they work in the movie, but I also think that
• 27:04
  it's like this becomes a monster movie when before it was, yeah.
• 27:09
  No, I it was doing just. Fine on its own, I absolutely.
• 27:12
  Agree with that and I don't like it's not a bad thing.
• 27:16
  It's just like because they still make it good, but it's
• 27:20
  just like this wasn't needed. You threw in this extra.
• 27:24
  You made it unrealistic. Everything about the movie
• 27:28
  beforehand was so real, so grounded.
• 27:31
  And it like it did all of the like we love movies like this.
• 27:34
  Think about like Frozen, where we've talked about like all of
• 27:36
  these right circumstances happened that put them trapped
• 27:40
  in this life or death situation. And we have the same thing going
• 27:43
  on here because they talk about all the safety precautions
• 27:45
  you're supposed to take as spelunkers.
• 27:49
  And you know, they've got the flight plan, they've got all
• 27:52
  their rope bags. And then we see them go in
• 27:54
  there. They're all unsure, but Juno's
• 27:56
  like, no, no, no, I mapped this out last week.
• 27:59
  And then they go in there and then there's the the rock fall
• 28:04
  and they're trapped. And then that's when they find
• 28:06
  out, oh, hey, the people that have our flight plan, they have
• 28:09
  the wrong one. They don't know we're down here.
• 28:11
  And this is all setting it up perfectly as is.
• 28:14
  And then Holly goes running to try and find a way out, falls
• 28:17
  down that hole, fucks her leg. And then it's like, man, now we
• 28:21
  have to deal with this. Like there was plenty going on.
• 28:23
  We didn't need the last 30 minutes to be about monsters,
• 28:26
  no. And that, like, again, I I just
• 28:30
  want to reiterate that I don't think it hurts the movie because
• 28:33
  I still think the movie is strong with those characters.
• 28:36
  But it it just, it really didn't need to be.
• 28:40
  You could have even just had to be her being suspicious of Juno.
• 28:45
  Yeah, like accidentally, like she gets spooked and
• 28:47
  accidentally kills Beth stolen. Like it kind of sews doubt and
• 28:54
  like a yeah, worry or whatever, like a suspicion in the friend
• 28:58
  group there. So they're all like, OK, she's a
• 29:01
  killer and then, you know, she's not.
• 29:02
  But then it just kind of creates that dynamic, yeah.
• 29:05
  Absolutely. OK.
• 29:07
  So my bad is, you know, also with The Cave boilers.
• 29:12
  But like it's it's just like a weird thing, but like they are
• 29:18
  blind. They can't see.
• 29:20
  They evolved within The Cave system, but they still leave.
• 29:26
  Yes. And they go out and they hunt.
• 29:27
  So they should be known. Yeah.
• 29:30
  I mean, not like I know that there are species and stuff like
• 29:33
  that that remain hidden, but if they are this out there and like
• 29:38
  actively hunting like this is fucking Appalachian Mountains.
• 29:40
  People like this is where we're from.
• 29:43
  People go out there and hunt there like they go out there
• 29:46
  early mornings, like all the fucking time.
• 29:48
  It's all day. It's a huge.
• 29:49
  Thing around here, yeah. So I would imagine, and it could
• 29:53
  be like a mythical creature type deal where people like, I swear
• 29:56
  to God, I saw this like fucking guy.
• 29:57
  He's a crawling. He was a crawler.
• 29:59
  Yeah, you know people. Will be like, that's just a
• 30:01
  cheap of copper bro. Yeah, like.
• 30:04
  It's it's gonna eat goats. You're fine.
• 30:05
  Yeah, you're fine. Don't worry about it, man, but
• 30:07
  you know like it like when you start thinking about it, it kind
• 30:10
  of falls apart again. No, that mean it that goes into
• 30:13
  like whoa, you made the movie a little bit more out there by
• 30:16
  introducing this thing like you took away the ground in this of
• 30:20
  it and now it's becoming a monster movie.
• 30:22
  So listen. You.
• 30:23
  Have to deal with that now. Unexplored.
• 30:24
  Caves are absolutely, positively a thing because they're
• 30:27
  underground. You know what I mean?
• 30:29
  Yeah, that's that's very much a real thing.
• 30:31
  But the monsters that come out to the surface to hunt?
• 30:36
  Not that we know of. How do we how do they know if
• 30:39
  they're hunting at night? They can't tell.
• 30:43
  Yeah, right. Yeah, There's like, just for
• 30:46
  real though. Like it's just, yeah.
• 30:48
  OK, So Glee. Oh, let's talk about Juno being
• 30:55
  the worst friend. Yeah, I mean, Juno is straight
• 30:58
  up the ugly in this movie. She she like she at the
• 31:03
  beginning. You can even tell like they have
• 31:05
  that like that dynamic there. You can tell Sarah's getting a
• 31:09
  little suspicious. Yeah, cuz.
• 31:10
  Paul is a little bit too delicate with Juno and she's
• 31:15
  trying to even ask in the car. Then when Sarah wakes up in the
• 31:19
  hospital and best comforting her, Juno's just kind of crying
• 31:22
  in the background and we find out later that she basically
• 31:24
  pieced out before even the funeral.
• 31:26
  Which I I get it, people handle grief and stuff like that
• 31:30
  weirdly and differently, but but that?
• 31:32
  Was you were already? In Scotland, and it seemed like
• 31:35
  she was planning to be there for longer, that sounded like.
• 31:38
  Originally. Before the deaths, everybody.
• 31:41
  Else in the friend group was still there for Sarah and Juno
• 31:44
  just left on her own. She just like, ghosted the
• 31:47
  entire thing. Yes.
• 31:48
  Yeah. So it just there, there's it.
• 31:52
  She's just and then she takes them to she doesn't follow like
• 31:56
  the most basic of this type, like of the safety guidelines
• 32:01
  that you do in this type of situation where you make sure
• 32:05
  people know where you're going. If people don't know where you
• 32:10
  are, they're not going to know where to look when they realize
• 32:12
  you're missing. I mean not only that.
• 32:14
  It's just shitty to take your friends and lie to them like
• 32:17
  we're going to this very touristy.
• 32:20
  We're going to this touristy cave destiny, everybody's like,
• 32:22
  OK, this is going to be a breeze.
• 32:24
  Oh no, we're going to a place where we nobody has ever been
• 32:27
  and it's completely unmapped and I don't even know if there's an
• 32:30
  accident on the other end and especially.
• 32:31
  Sam, it's implied that she hasn't really done this much.
• 32:35
  Like, she's maybe done it once with her sister, but they're,
• 32:37
  like, explaining all of these, like, safety things to her.
• 32:40
  Yeah. So it just, it's really a shitty
• 32:43
  way to treat your friends. And the way she keeps saying
• 32:46
  that it's for Sarah and Sarah's like, I don't feel like it
• 32:48
  actually is. This is like.
• 32:50
  A thing that they have done in the past.
• 32:52
  That's right. They've definitely done cave
• 32:53
  dives together. So let me ask you, because I
• 32:57
  feel like this is kind of like as a parent, unresponsible but
• 33:00
  like or irresponsible, but like you have a kid and you like do
• 33:04
  shit like that like I feel like once you have a kid, you maybe
• 33:07
  like put things like that aside. That's so dangerous, man.
• 33:12
  I. Think.
• 33:14
  You have to think about other people at that point.
• 33:16
  The thing though. Is that it seems like Sarah
• 33:19
  generally tries to do the things that she knows are within her
• 33:22
  skill level. You know, they do that like
• 33:24
  white water rafting, like rivers and areas.
• 33:27
  Those are graded same as like the caves where they said this
• 33:29
  is a level 2. Like those things, those types
• 33:31
  of things when they are known, they're mapped out like they're
• 33:34
  graded so you know what your level is.
• 33:36
  It's so dangerous, though. It is still dangerous.
• 33:38
  But like plenty of things are dangerous because in the end,
• 33:41
  what killed her husband and her child?
• 33:43
  It was a car wreck, you know, and I don't think that again,
• 33:48
  like you said, we're not parents.
• 33:50
  I don't think that you need to necessarily give up something
• 33:53
  that is a huge part of your identity and makes you happy if
• 33:58
  if it doesn't seem like it's inherently more dangerous than
• 34:00
  anything else in your life at plenty of people white water
• 34:03
  raft, you know what I mean? Plenty of people go go cave
• 34:06
  exploring and it seemed like they were trying to stay in the
• 34:09
  generally like safer theories of them I suppose.
• 34:12
  I just generally whenever I think of those people, I think
• 34:16
  of people who don't have like people that rely on them Well,
• 34:19
  and it's. Really it's Juno and Holly that
• 34:21
  keep talking about the like we need to up the stakes.
• 34:24
  It's not worth it if it's not dangerous.
• 34:27
  And it seems like they haven't moved on from that mentality
• 34:31
  where other people are like we still want to be like that was
• 34:34
  their safe and have fun. That was their shared.
• 34:36
  Mentality even before, but was. It because I get the impression
• 34:40
  that Juno generally only hasn't always been a great friend.
• 34:43
  You know what I mean? I could see her being like, no,
• 34:45
  that's what we all always agreed on and people are like, well,
• 34:47
  not to the extent that you take it.
• 34:49
  Juno. Well, she outright.
• 34:50
  Said it though, and it's not like she didn't disagree with it
• 34:53
  when she said she's like, yeah, I know that we used to do that.
• 34:55
  That used to be our credo for like, you know, but.
• 34:59
  I, I just, you know, I don't think you have to completely
• 35:02
  stop doing stuff like that. It seemed like she was doing it
• 35:04
  in in a way that she could still do it, but was still being like
• 35:07
  relatively safe. Fair enough, all.
• 35:09
  Right, so. So.
• 35:11
  Absurd, then. Oh my God, I had it ready and
• 35:15
  I've just completely forgotten it.
• 35:16
  Oh, OK. So it just says Appalachian
• 35:20
  Mountain, Appalachian Mountains, USA, and we're like, well, that
• 35:23
  could be a huge chunk of the eastern part of the United
• 35:28
  States. So I was trying to figure it
• 35:29
  out. The rental car first in flight,
• 35:32
  North Carolina, that's where we're at.
• 35:34
  That's great. Then later at the end of the
• 35:36
  movie when she drives away, those same license plates are
• 35:40
  suddenly Montana plates. I think it's a.
• 35:43
  Different one. They had two.
• 35:45
  Vehicles I feel like. Both the vehicles were North
• 35:48
  Carolina plates before though. I don't know.
• 35:50
  I didn't. Pay too much attention but I The
• 35:52
  only defense I can have for that is rental cars.
• 35:55
  They have different license plates from all over the United
• 35:57
  States. I.
• 35:58
  Suppose yeah, but I don't agree with that, OK.
• 36:03
  Well, I mean, absurd moments, like, God, I don't fucking know.
• 36:08
  Like the fact that they have like old cave paintings down
• 36:12
  there and like, it looks like they were still doing it, like
• 36:15
  recreationally too, you know what I mean?
• 36:17
  Like they were like, here's art. This is our art leaving.
• 36:21
  Yeah, here's this. I drew the mountain and that's
• 36:23
  like, that's probably the most like that's like they're Mona
• 36:27
  Lisa down there. Like this is like, do you think?
• 36:30
  One of the crawlers wrote Adam sucks Dicks, cocks, cocks.
• 36:36
  Dicks, I always get it. Mixed up always.
• 36:40
  How embarrassed. Are you?
• 36:41
  Dude, you just embarrassed yourself in front of everybody,
• 36:45
  Rob. Cordray is never going to want
• 36:47
  to talk to me now as if he. Ever wanted to?
• 36:49
  I'm kidding. OK.
• 36:53
  All right. So let's rate it out of 10/8
• 36:56
  point. 758.7. Five, I thought, really good
• 37:00
  rating. That is, I.
• 37:02
  Just thought that we were going to go up there man, like you
• 37:05
  can. Go up there.
• 37:06
  You don't have to do the same rating as me.
• 37:08
  I'm not going to. I'm just.
• 37:10
  I can be shocked. It's.
• 37:12
  Really shocking I can. Be caught off guard by your
• 37:14
  rating. That's.
• 37:16
  Where am I rating nine and a? Half 9 1/2.
• 37:18
  OK, OK. Really.
• 37:20
  Probably if you took away The Cave dwellers it would maybe
• 37:22
  make it its own. I don't hate The Cave blowers
• 37:26
  but like they just weren't necessary.
• 37:28
  It felt like the. Movie didn't believe in itself
• 37:31
  enough. That's I mean, honestly, that's
• 37:34
  how it comes across to me. Like they're like, OK, we need
• 37:36
  to up the stakes. That was I'm scared we're not
• 37:38
  going to be able to build that the caving parts.
• 37:40
  The caving parts were more upsetting to me than anything
• 37:43
  else in this movie if we just kept having her get stuck over
• 37:46
  and over again like I really honestly Talia was.
• 37:50
  On a roll last night and we had to keep pausing the movie
• 37:52
  because of her. And I was a little bit relieved
• 37:54
  because it kept giving me like a break.
• 37:56
  Yeah. So maybe.
• 37:57
  She's doing for you then our starting.
• 37:59
  Average is 9.125. Great.
• 38:01
  That's a really good one. It's a good start.
• 38:03
  It's a good start. Okay, all right.
• 38:06
  So it starts off with some white water rafting, which is
• 38:08
  something I've always wanted to do, but I've always been
• 38:10
  terrified to do. Oh really?
• 38:12
  Yes, absolutely. It does seem fun.
• 38:15
  But it also dangerous. Yeah, yeah.
• 38:17
  So they're doing it. They're having fun.
• 38:20
  We see Paul and Jesse, that's Sarah's husband and child,
• 38:23
  standing on the bank watching, cheering her on.
• 38:26
  They get close to the bank, playfully pushed Juno in the
• 38:29
  water, and she uses this as an excuse like, oh, Paul and so wet
• 38:33
  and cold. Can you help?
• 38:35
  Yeah. And then you can see Sarah's
• 38:37
  clocking it from across the way, like, oh, he's being a little
• 38:41
  weird, Yeah. This is a little bit too
• 38:44
  intimate for my tapes. And she even asks him about it
• 38:48
  as they're driving back to the hotel.
• 38:49
  She's like, it seems like you've been really distant.
• 38:51
  He's like, what are you talking about?
• 38:53
  It's like he. Inched over a little bit away
• 38:55
  from her, too. And she said that like, what do
• 38:57
  you mean? Yeah.
• 39:00
  And then he, like, he's looking at her distracted, accidentally
• 39:03
  veers into an oncoming car. And there's like pipes on top of
• 39:06
  the car, they just slide off and impel him and the child,
• 39:09
  unfortunately. Yep.
• 39:11
  And got to the. Hospital and Sarah's having a
• 39:15
  nightmare. Lights just keep turning off as
• 39:17
  she's running through the hallway and it's like a never
• 39:19
  ending hallway. Jesse.
• 39:20
  And she's screaming for her and crying.
• 39:22
  And then she sees Beth and Beth confirms that neither of them
• 39:26
  made it. Yep.
• 39:28
  So one year later, we're at the Appalachian Mountains, USA.
• 39:32
  Fast, yeah. Beth and Sarah are driving to
• 39:36
  Chattooga National Park. I don't.
• 39:38
  I didn't look it up. I don't know if that's a real
• 39:40
  place or not. Let me take.
• 39:42
  A look because it sounds vaguely familiar.
• 39:46
  Chattooga County in Georgia. Chattooga National Park that is.
• 39:53
  In South Carolina. They also have the Chattahoochee
• 39:59
  way down Yonder at the Chattahoochee so.
• 40:01
  This kind of puts your whole license plate gate Chattooga
• 40:06
  River trail. South Carolina.
• 40:08
  So we. We got North Carolina plates and
• 40:10
  Montana plates in South Carolina.
• 40:12
  Yeah, Yeah. So.
• 40:14
  I guess that's that's where we're at.
• 40:15
  Oh, National Forest in North Carolina.
• 40:17
  Chattooga, Wild and Scenic River.
• 40:19
  OK, never mind. We're back in North Carolina,
• 40:20
  and that's from the US. Forest Service so so.
• 40:23
  You know, it's for real. Yeah, the government.
• 40:25
  Has never lied to anybody. Ever.
• 40:26
  Never. Especially about parks, no.
• 40:29
  Or recreation? No.
• 40:32
  So they. Arrive at a cabin, they're
• 40:34
  greeted by Juno and she introduces them to the rest of
• 40:36
  the crew, including Holly, who is a new member of the crew.
• 40:40
  She's Juno's protege, yeah. Holly seems young and reckless.
• 40:48
  That's how she comes across. Yeah, she's.
• 40:50
  Pretty brash with like, everything, yeah.
• 40:52
  And we've got the two sisters, Becca and Sam, so.
• 40:58
  And Sam is a medical student. Yeah, her big sister's very
• 41:02
  happy and proud of her. And my sweet, so they're all
• 41:06
  just they're having fun. They're talking, they're talking
• 41:10
  about the Borum Caverns. And Holly's disappointing
• 41:13
  because she says it's for tourists and it's like Holly,
• 41:16
  you can do an extreme cave dive some other time.
• 41:18
  This is a big group adventure and it's meant to be light
• 41:20
  hearted and fun. I mean, it's like.
• 41:21
  You get the impression this is the first time they've all hung
• 41:24
  out together in a long time. Like, if you're going to ease
• 41:26
  your way back into it, do something beginner friendly, you
• 41:29
  know what I mean? Yeah.
• 41:29
  Work your way up. Yes.
• 41:31
  Exactly. So it's the next.
• 41:33
  Morning, they all party too hard.
• 41:34
  The night before, they're all except for Juno, who's so
• 41:37
  obnoxiously, like, out jogging in the morning, she's like doing
• 41:41
  yoga poses, like flexing in front of everybody.
• 41:43
  Like, this is how great I am. She does a heel stretch.
• 41:45
  And the dancer in me, it was very horrified because of that
• 41:48
  flexed ass foot. It just ruins the whole look of
• 41:51
  the pose. She in a dancer.
• 41:53
  She's a climber. The toe, yeah.
• 41:56
  So they all head out, they're heading towards The Cave sites.
• 42:00
  It's like a. They take their group photo
• 42:02
  first. Oh yeah, they take.
• 42:04
  A Yeah, yeah. Group photo.
• 42:05
  They're hiking along. They're driving.
• 42:08
  I think Sarah's driving. She's getting like, really?
• 42:10
  Reckless with her. Driving.
• 42:12
  She's like, oh, let's go off roading and everybody's getting
• 42:14
  uncomfortable, Yeah. And so they get there and people
• 42:18
  are like, do you know, are you, Are you sure we're going the
• 42:21
  right way? I know this feels wrong.
• 42:22
  She goes, yeah, no, no, no. I mapped this out last week so
• 42:25
  that way I could submit the flight plan.
• 42:27
  Yeah, so they, as they're walking like they've parked,
• 42:31
  they're now hiking towards the entrance, they stumble across a
• 42:34
  deer. I wore a moose or something.
• 42:36
  It was a. Moose.
• 42:37
  Yeah, it's. Dead.
• 42:38
  It's decomposing and I now realize that this is apparently
• 42:42
  probably where when the creatures attacked and, you
• 42:45
  know, ate it. So they continue on and they
• 42:50
  arrive at the entrance and this should have been a sign that
• 42:52
  this was not a beginner level touristy.
• 42:55
  Yeah, this is a hole in the ground.
• 42:57
  It's just a giant. Hole and you got to just grapple
• 43:00
  and like repel down, repel in. Yeah.
• 43:02
  And so they're doing it, Holly, just like she superhero jumps
• 43:06
  from the top to the bottom. And Junior was like Holly, Yeah.
• 43:10
  Yeah, she's like the last one down or no Sarah's, But either
• 43:12
  way she comes in way too high. And I thought that was a
• 43:15
  terrible shot because they like, they definitely did like CG.
• 43:19
  Yeah, they took like a JPG of her and they, like, blew it up.
• 43:23
  Yeah. The the repelling was not the
• 43:25
  greatest. There's also like a scene later
• 43:27
  with Bats that feels very CG, which like, I get it, you can't
• 43:32
  put the actors around Bats. Bats killed Cujo.
• 43:34
  So like, we need to be cool with it, but you can.
• 43:37
  Not have them, you know, repel a super fast sound.
• 43:41
  I would. Love to cuddle a non rabbit bat.
• 43:44
  Well, so cute, we can try and arrange that sometime.
• 43:47
  I'm holding you. To it, OK.
• 43:50
  All right, so they're now in there, and they start exploring
• 43:54
  The Cave. They begin to crawl through.
• 43:56
  It's not too bad yet. They're just having to, like,
• 43:58
  hunker down. Yeah, we see.
• 43:59
  They've got flares. Oh, and they.
• 44:02
  Find a bloody handprint, yeah. Immediately at the.
• 44:05
  Entrance. Yeah, I thought that this.
• 44:07
  Well, they don't know yet that this is meant to be unexplored,
• 44:09
  but they should have like, gotten Juno's attention.
• 44:12
  Yeah, you know, they see they're using flare lights to look
• 44:16
  around and then they take a little little lunch break and
• 44:19
  Holly's doing some filming, so. Juno takes this opportunity to
• 44:23
  apologize to Sarah for just disappearing after the accident.
• 44:27
  Sarah doesn't really want to talk about it.
• 44:29
  They can kind of gather. So she's like, all right, I'm
• 44:31
  going to get up and walk around and then I'll find a get lost
• 44:34
  in. The Cave system.
• 44:35
  I don't really want to talk to you, Juno.
• 44:37
  Yeah, So she's confused by the route.
• 44:40
  She's like, this doesn't match any of the things I read in the
• 44:42
  book. And Juno's like, well, you can't
• 44:45
  trust books. They leave too much to
• 44:47
  interpretation. Just kind of like, waves it off
• 44:49
  like that. And that's not a good sign.
• 44:54
  They go through a passage that's like, super, super narrow.
• 44:58
  And I get, I struggle to breathe watching this.
• 45:02
  It's so it's the worst. Part of the movie, the best
• 45:05
  part, but like the most uncomfortable part.
• 45:06
  So Holly kicks it off. She makes it all the way
• 45:09
  through, so they think, OK, it's all good to go.
• 45:12
  So they're all going one at a time.
• 45:13
  Sarah's the last one to go and. She's got the rope bag.
• 45:17
  Yeah, she's got. The rope bag with her.
• 45:18
  So she gets stuck because of the rope bag.
• 45:21
  Yes, and. She starts to have a panic
• 45:23
  attack and Beth comes in and she helps her out and it's a really
• 45:26
  good friend moment that seems like a really good friend.
• 45:29
  How did Beth? Manage to turn around I think
• 45:32
  she. Had gotten out of the past
• 45:34
  passage and, like, turned herself around to go up in
• 45:37
  there. Gotcha.
• 45:37
  Yeah. When she realized that Sarah was
• 45:39
  stuck. And so she gets her to calm
• 45:42
  down, tells her her favorite joke.
• 45:44
  And they, you know, have a laugh.
• 45:46
  And then the rocks start to shift.
• 45:48
  And it's a different kind of panic, but it's a survival
• 45:51
  instinct kind of panic for Sarah.
• 45:53
  And she was like, but the rope bag.
• 45:54
  And Beth says fuck the rope bag. You just need to get through
• 45:57
  right now. You're more important than the
• 45:59
  rope bag. Could they not have just like
• 46:01
  left the rope bag, crawl back, reach through and just grab the
• 46:05
  rope bag separately and crawl backwards?
• 46:07
  I. Honestly, I don't know what the
• 46:09
  situation was with the rope bag. I don't, I don't know why it
• 46:12
  couldn't have been pushed through ahead of her.
• 46:14
  Or like tie a rope to the rope bag and pull it through like
• 46:18
  afterwards. Like they're just carrying.
• 46:21
  They're just dumb. Man, like we should be cave
• 46:23
  divers. We've got this shit, so they get
• 46:25
  through. There's a lot of dust because a
• 46:28
  lot of rocks have fallen. And dusty old bones full of
• 46:31
  green dust. The earth is new here.
• 46:34
  Yeah. And The Cave.
• 46:35
  Is like caved in now. So they're, they're trapped in
• 46:37
  there and they're like. OK, well, let's just pull out
• 46:39
  the book and find another way out.
• 46:41
  And Juno kind of has a moment and bring the book.
• 46:45
  Yeah, about. That and.
• 46:48
  And Becca has figured this out. And she goes, oh, that's because
• 46:51
  we're not in Borum Caves, are we?
• 46:54
  Which is really unfortunate because I made sure that I filed
• 46:58
  the flight plan you gave me for Borum Caves.
• 47:01
  And Juno's like, this is undiscovered.
• 47:03
  And I wanted us to be the one to discover it.
• 47:05
  Sarah. I wanted to name it after you.
• 47:07
  And she's like or. Maybe you, you know, she's like,
• 47:10
  oh, she probably would have like how how do you think that
• 47:13
  conversation went on? God, we should probably name it
• 47:15
  after like one of us, right? Like, you know, who's the person
• 47:17
  that like started this idea? Oh, was it me?
• 47:20
  Oh whoa, doesn't Juno sound? Like a really good name for your
• 47:22
  cave too? Cave, Juno.
• 47:23
  Yeah. Juno Cave.
• 47:24
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 47:27
  It's called Nutty Putty. Nutty buddy is that?
• 47:33
  Is that the snack that you bring to eat while you're there too
• 47:35
  complicated? Let's make a Juno.
• 47:39
  Yeah. God, that would be an insuffer.
• 47:41
  I wish we had an opportunity to see that, but we didn't.
• 47:47
  OK, so they decide they're going to start looking for ways out
• 47:51
  and they're using a Zippo lighter to see a breeze
• 47:54
  basically. So what their plan is?
• 47:57
  No, we haven't. Gotten there yet?
• 47:58
  They have to like they have. They haven't climbed the gap
• 48:01
  yet. That happens first.
• 48:03
  Because they they couldn't have done that with Holly with an
• 48:06
  injured leg. I want to be honest.
• 48:07
  I saw my note that said start looking for a way out and I
• 48:09
  jumped ahead. You did.
• 48:11
  I didn't read the rest of my note.
• 48:12
  They. Push forward and they find a gap
• 48:16
  and they're like, oh shit, we got to make it over there.
• 48:18
  They only have three of the clamps left and they don't have
• 48:21
  the rope system anymore because they had to pull like leave it
• 48:23
  back there. Yeah.
• 48:24
  So Beth is like, or not Beth Becca is like, all right, I'll
• 48:28
  do it. Don't worry about it.
• 48:29
  I've got 3 clamps. I can make it.
• 48:31
  So she starts doing. She uses two of the clamps, and
• 48:34
  then when she's about to use her third one, she notices.
• 48:37
  Wait a minute, there is something already.
• 48:39
  There, Yeah, so she just. Takes her hook, hooks it on
• 48:42
  there and then she uses the other one as the 4th one to make
• 48:45
  it across you can see. The moment in her eyes where
• 48:47
  she's like, we need to talk about this, but now it's not the
• 48:50
  moment. Yeah, exactly.
• 48:50
  I just wait for everybody to get across first so they all make
• 48:54
  it. One of them, I think it's Juno.
• 48:56
  She ends up taking the rope with her.
• 48:58
  She's the last one and she's like, we need to preserve the
• 49:02
  equipment that we have. So she's like taking the clamps
• 49:04
  off as she goes across. She's pulling that rope along
• 49:07
  with her. And when she gets to the last
• 49:09
  one, the old one like, starts to kind of like wiggle out of the
• 49:13
  rock and she falls. The other women grab the rope as
• 49:17
  she's falling, but they get really, Becca gets really bad
• 49:20
  rope burn on her hands. Yeah, it's.
• 49:21
  Oh God, you feel that? See this?
• 49:24
  This shit right here was so good already.
• 49:28
  But man, yeah. So they pull her back up and now
• 49:32
  this is where they find the breeze with the Yeah.
• 49:37
  And they're saying that like there was equipment there and
• 49:40
  somebody was like, oh, well that's a good sign then 'cause
• 49:42
  that means other people have seen it and they're like, well,
• 49:43
  this type hasn't been used in over 100 years.
• 49:47
  So probably not a good sign, actually.
• 49:50
  Which damn man? That's insane that like, they
• 49:53
  had that type of equipment 100 years ago.
• 49:55
  Were people seriously doing that type of climbing back then?
• 49:58
  I mean, I guess so, I guess. Yeah, I don't know.
• 50:01
  So this is where they find The Cave paintings.
• 50:03
  They see this Immaculate painting of a mountain.
• 50:06
  It is actually. Is really beautiful, like
• 50:09
  there's a nice fade to the painting they've gotten.
• 50:11
  They've gotten to Jesse. They it looks like the Mona.
• 50:14
  Lisa, they've got. Buffaloes.
• 50:16
  And like a little arrow, you are here.
• 50:19
  It's just a little Buffalo. It's just fun.
• 50:20
  It's like this is where our food is.
• 50:21
  This is where we are. This is this is my world.
• 50:24
  Yeah. Like this is what it's nice here
• 50:27
  dude. I'm really proud of my home.
• 50:28
  So I made a painting of my home if our cats.
• 50:30
  Could do paintings, this is the stuff that they would paint.
• 50:33
  Like, this is my house. This is where I'm at right now,
• 50:35
  and this is where my food is. Exactly.
• 50:40
  All right. So Juno takes out the lighter,
• 50:43
  and she finds that there's a draft down in The Cave system.
• 50:46
  Yes. So Holly gets super excited, and
• 50:48
  she goes chasing after what they think is a way out, except
• 50:53
  everybody else is trying to warn her.
• 50:54
  She's like, Holly, calm down. Yeah, you're getting way too
• 50:58
  ahead of yourself. But she's not listening.
• 50:59
  No, she sees a light. So she thinks that she's found
• 51:03
  her way out. Juno's like that's.
• 51:04
  Not daylight. And I'm like, I need to hear
• 51:06
  more about this. Don't worry, we'll hear more
• 51:07
  about it in a bit. Yeah.
• 51:09
  And she goes goes climbing for it and she is not taking any
• 51:13
  kind of fucking precautions at all and falls into a hole.
• 51:17
  And you remember a couple weeks ago when we talked about they
• 51:19
  live and Rowdy Roddy Piper goes down like a hill and then
• 51:23
  another hill and then another hill.
• 51:24
  And then he's like, I'm fine. Yep, this.
• 51:26
  But she's not fine. Yeah, this.
• 51:28
  But like, for real though, yeah, it's so funny that it was the
• 51:31
  one that's like, oh, we need to be taking all kinds of like
• 51:33
  extreme. No, she.
• 51:35
  Wasn't the one saying that Holly was?
• 51:37
  No, she wasn't. She's the one that was like
• 51:39
  going too fast in the line and saying that everything needs to
• 51:42
  be more dangerous. It was Becca.
• 51:43
  It was Becca telling You're not. Hearing me, I'm saying she was
• 51:47
  the one wanting to do the more extreme dives.
• 51:49
  Yeah, that was Holly. Yeah, you said.
• 51:52
  That she was the one wanting to take more precautions, no.
• 51:57
  I was saying she was the one that wanted to do the more
• 51:59
  extreme shit you. Definitely, said the word
• 52:02
  precaution. I'm pausing and.
• 52:03
  Replaying hold on, this is going to be for everybody, all right,
• 52:06
  So we just re listen to it and Travis is right, he said
• 52:10
  extreme. Precautions, he said.
• 52:12
  Extreme. And then she cut him off.
• 52:15
  That's what happened. She didn't let him finish his
• 52:18
  thoughts. So whatever she's down there,
• 52:23
  she's her. She has bone poking out of her
• 52:26
  skin, now compound. Fracture, yeah.
• 52:28
  Oh God, it's so upsetting. And they?
• 52:31
  The rest of them climb down there, they move her out of
• 52:34
  water and Sam, because she's a pre doctor, is splinting her leg
• 52:39
  and she's like I gotta put the bone back in first.
• 52:41
  She was splinted. I like.
• 52:43
  This she's like, you're gonna hate me and she's like, I
• 52:44
  fucking hate you. And she's like, I know.
• 52:47
  I I no, that's very real though. I remember I called my physical
• 52:52
  therapist a sadist at multiple times throughout my physical
• 52:55
  therapy appointments. But hey, I can walk again, so
• 52:57
  it's one of. Those moments where you're like,
• 52:58
  I know that this is going to suck and I know I'm going to
• 53:00
  hate it, but like, I know this is my only real option or else
• 53:03
  I'm going to die, Yeah. So yeah, while this is
• 53:06
  happening, Sarah is wandering and she sees something and she's
• 53:11
  trying to figure out what it is. But Junior brings her back to
• 53:14
  the group and she's like, I don't believe that you actually
• 53:16
  saw anything. Hey guys, listen to this stupid
• 53:18
  thing Sarah said. Isn't she just hallucinating?
• 53:21
  Yeah, she also found. Like an old helmet down there
• 53:23
  too, that she was like checking out.
• 53:24
  And more cave paintings, more art.
• 53:26
  Yeah, yeah. And the.
• 53:27
  Group is like, listen, we just need to prioritize getting Holly
• 53:30
  out. That's where we need to be
• 53:32
  focusing. So somehow they managed to get
• 53:34
  her. Far.
• 53:36
  Far. I don't know.
• 53:37
  So I'm not really sure how far, but they make a good distance.
• 53:41
  Like, yeah, they don't have to do any crawling, thankfully,
• 53:43
  yeah. And Juno explains that the light
• 53:46
  was actually phosphorus in the rock, and it's not real
• 53:49
  daylight. They're far too far underground.
• 53:51
  That's so fucking scary. I I that just having that be a
• 53:55
  thing if you're cave diving and like, oh, Fosfite, Oh my God,
• 53:58
  yeah, that would be paranoid. And then they come to this like
• 54:02
  cavern and they use the infrared on Holly's camera to look around
• 54:06
  and they are just like, it's a boneyard and not in like the
• 54:10
  colloquial like this is how we refer to a graveyard.
• 54:14
  It is bones on bones on bones on bones.
• 54:18
  And also, while they're doing that, they're looking around and
• 54:22
  the creature is right. Oh my God.
• 54:23
  This is a This is a good jump scare.
• 54:26
  I still maintain that the movie really didn't need these
• 54:28
  creatures, but it was they there were two very effective jump
• 54:31
  scares with them and this is one of them.
• 54:33
  It's. Strange it behaves strangely
• 54:36
  considering what we find out about the waiter because it's
• 54:39
  there over top of one of them and then like they all scream
• 54:42
  and it runs away like normally it would have attacked.
• 54:45
  Yeah. And so they're like, OK, cool,
• 54:47
  we need to pick up and leave. But as they're trying to leave,
• 54:49
  they're attacked. And then the group ends up being
• 54:51
  split up. Yeah, like.
• 54:54
  Straight up goes for Holly first, yeah, Bites her neck and
• 54:57
  she is just bleeding out, yeah. Juno is like trying to keep them
• 55:02
  away from her body. Beth is calling out to Sarah,
• 55:06
  who has fallen in a little stream.
• 55:08
  Yeah, she like fell. And hit her head.
• 55:09
  So she knocked herself out, Yeah.
• 55:11
  And as. Sarah is looking around like
• 55:13
  Juno is in a different part, and she's fighting off all of these
• 55:16
  different creatures. And in the moment she has
• 55:18
  momentum and she swings her pickaxe around and it gets Beth
• 55:21
  through the neck. Yeah, well, she.
• 55:23
  She was a badass. She is a badass in this movie.
• 55:25
  She fucking killed. She like grapples with this
• 55:28
  fucking thing and then ends up getting the pick and killing it.
• 55:31
  But then he accidentally kills Beth in the process.
• 55:33
  Yeah, Which I. I.
• 55:36
  Understand Beth being upset about it, but I think Beth
• 55:39
  should understand that like everything happening there, it's
• 55:43
  totally dark. Like that's a reasonable
• 55:46
  reaction I think. The main problem that they're
• 55:49
  all having is that Juno just walked away and let her die.
• 55:55
  She left her there. That's.
• 55:57
  True. And alive.
• 55:59
  You were right, yeah. She that's that's the.
• 56:00
  Thing because when after Sarah has seen Beth and Mercy killed
• 56:05
  her and she confronts, you know, she goes so you saw Beth, you
• 56:08
  saw her die. Oh yeah.
• 56:10
  And. She told him like, Oh yeah, the
• 56:11
  crawler's got her. Yeah, yeah.
• 56:13
  So she, like, fully lies about it.
• 56:15
  She'd like, it's the it's the lack of remorse and the lack of,
• 56:18
  like, respect for her friend. That's true.
• 56:21
  Yeah. Like she was defending Holly's
• 56:22
  dead body from the dwellers but couldn't even like do a thing to
• 56:28
  say Beth after putting an an axe through her throat.
• 56:31
  Those are protege. Protege Super.
• 56:32
  She meets Beth. Yeah.
• 56:36
  I guess I wasn't her best friend.
• 56:38
  Oh my God. Jesse, well done.
• 56:43
  Thank you. OK so they like Sarah sticks
• 56:50
  around, Sam and Rebecca are like moving forward on their own,
• 56:54
  they have like their own little way and they have encounters
• 56:57
  with the well monster and the monster attacks him but Juno
• 57:02
  appears and saves him by killing it.
• 57:05
  Meanwhile, Sarah has gone back and found Holly's body which
• 57:09
  they are now eating. Holly.
• 57:11
  She has to stay still to not alert them.
• 57:14
  So she's just having to sit there watching them eat it and
• 57:18
  she's. Got she's got Holly's camera
• 57:19
  still and so she can see like there's both human and animal
• 57:22
  remains down there and like she sees a bunch of like human
• 57:24
  skeletons. At one point, Becca and Sam are
• 57:27
  going through this little passage.
• 57:28
  And this is where the other really effective jump scare is
• 57:31
  because like, it's, it's a tight, it's like an like a 90°
• 57:36
  or more than a 90° angle that they have to go around.
• 57:39
  Yeah. So Becca goes around first,
• 57:40
  checks that it's clear, comes back, has Sam go first, Sam gets
• 57:44
  through all fine. Then Becca comes through and
• 57:46
  she's attacked and that you jumped.
• 57:47
  Really hard. There you went.
• 57:50
  I jumped too, I'm not gonna lie. But I didn't go back.
• 57:54
  That was the part where Juno saves them, by the way.
• 57:56
  Yes, yeah. And then they start shouting,
• 57:59
  looking through Sarah, and they're like, Oh my God, Juno,
• 58:01
  shut the fuck up. These things hunt by sound.
• 58:03
  I know. Yeah.
• 58:04
  Sarah. Gets to Holly's body and she
• 58:08
  takes this canister she has and takes a bandage from her leg as
• 58:12
  well as the axe handle, and she uses it to make a torch, which
• 58:16
  is really effective. Yeah, really smart.
• 58:19
  And then she yells. And then.
• 58:21
  They hear her yelling. Right now, Sarah's dead.
• 58:24
  Juno says that she saw Marks for a way out and she's like, we
• 58:30
  won't, I'm not leaving without Sarah.
• 58:31
  We've got to go get her. So Sarah finds Beth alive, but
• 58:36
  you know, only for a little bit longer.
• 58:38
  And she's like, listen, Juno did this.
• 58:41
  Do not trust her. Also please kill me.
• 58:43
  Also, take this. This is the thing that Paul gave
• 58:48
  Juno, which how did Beth get this?
• 58:50
  Yeah, did. She like is that a?
• 58:52
  Deleted scene I feel. Like there has to because I
• 58:55
  don't feel like Beth would have kept that secret from Sarah.
• 58:59
  No and. Continued to encourage the
• 59:01
  friendship between them if she knew that Juno was having an
• 59:03
  affair with Paul I. This isn't explained.
• 59:06
  It was like, how did she get that?
• 59:08
  It's it's very strange because I.
• 59:10
  Know she. We know that Juno was wearing
• 59:12
  that necklace, right? Yeah, and we know that Paul's
• 59:15
  motto is love every day, and then Juno has the love every day
• 59:18
  engraved on it. And so I wonder if Beth made
• 59:21
  that inference. But also at the same time, like
• 59:23
  that's not like really an individual.
• 59:25
  So again. Yeah.
• 59:28
  Live, laugh, love. Yeah.
• 59:29
  It's like, Oh my God, So deep. Yeah.
• 59:32
  Yeah. So I just, I, I don't know, I I
• 59:36
  wonder if there are we had seen somewhere that we need to see.
• 59:38
  Yeah, it's. Possible, but either way, Sarah
• 59:41
  got the message and she's bury her by then.
• 59:46
  Beth is like yeah, she's a killer so you know, watch out
• 59:49
  for her. One of the others, but also.
• 59:52
  Kill me. Yeah, please.
• 59:53
  Yeah, you know, put me out. Yeah.
• 59:55
  And Sarah's like, I can't do that.
• 59:56
  And that's like, I don't want to die from those crawlers and I am
• 1:00:00
  bleeding out anyway. It's a mercy kill.
• 1:00:02
  Man, Yeah, yeah, I get it in this situation.
• 1:00:05
  All right, So she doesn't. And then she is attacked so she
• 1:00:11
  runs and she ends up falling into a puddle of blood, which is
• 1:00:14
  the death metal cover band for Puddle of mud.
• 1:00:18
  Yeah, and this is like a female one because it finds like that
• 1:00:22
  was it's mate that cuz it goes over there and finds the body
• 1:00:26
  and it's like, Oh my God, you killed my husband.
• 1:00:28
  Yeah. So she's chasing Sarah now and
• 1:00:31
  they're fighting in the blood pool.
• 1:00:32
  Yeah. And she?
• 1:00:33
  Ends up she reaches a horn that's like on the shore and she
• 1:00:36
  uses it to stab the the creature and then she ends up killing
• 1:00:41
  another and screams. She screams.
• 1:00:45
  Oh, and this is where they all. Hear her and they're like ah,
• 1:00:47
  serious dead. Yeah, yeah, it was a victory.
• 1:00:49
  Scream everybody. So Juno goes to.
• 1:00:51
  Search and Sam panics and runs, so Becca has to follow her.
• 1:00:57
  Juno sees the creatures and she decides she's going to run a
• 1:01:00
  little bit more than what she was doing before Sam gets to the
• 1:01:04
  gap and she decides she's going to start climbing her way back.
• 1:01:08
  And as she does it, one of the crawlers is up there on the
• 1:01:10
  wall, kind of like a lizard, and it attacks her.
• 1:01:15
  And Juno and Becca are like trying to call her back, like
• 1:01:19
  trying to get her back. They're like, you don't have
• 1:01:21
  enough rope anyway, you've got to come back.
• 1:01:23
  And then the creature's attacking her and she stabs it,
• 1:01:25
  but it's too late because the creature has like like torn open
• 1:01:29
  her throat. It's only.
• 1:01:30
  That like it was a dead end that way.
• 1:01:32
  That was where it caved. That was like it was useless to
• 1:01:35
  go that way. Yeah, this was.
• 1:01:36
  Very much like a panic moment, yeah, but.
• 1:01:38
  Yeah, they ended up like it gets her, and then on her way down
• 1:01:43
  she gets it. So they all die.
• 1:01:45
  Yeah. And then another creature comes
• 1:01:47
  out and attacks Becca, pulls her down, and she's dead.
• 1:01:52
  She's just dead. She's just dragged.
• 1:01:53
  Away and Juno. Follows in to just see what's
• 1:01:56
  going on. Juno.
• 1:01:58
  Falls in the water and she finishes off one of the monsters
• 1:02:02
  down there that so like, I guess like down there, like in the
• 1:02:06
  gap, it was actually water, yeah.
• 1:02:08
  So she. Falls down in there and the one
• 1:02:10
  that Sam had stabbed what isn't dead, it attacks her and she
• 1:02:15
  finishes it off in the water and then.
• 1:02:16
  Sarah is there and she grabs Juno and she asks her about
• 1:02:20
  Becca and Beth. Yeah, and this is where she
• 1:02:24
  lies. She's like, Oh yeah, they got,
• 1:02:26
  they got Beth. They got.
• 1:02:27
  Everybody. Yeah.
• 1:02:28
  They're just, they're awesome. You saw her die.
• 1:02:29
  Yeah. And then they go looking for a
• 1:02:32
  way out and we have what I call the monster Royal Rumble, cuz
• 1:02:35
  it's just like one opponent comes out, another opponent
• 1:02:38
  comes in, Rumble in the. Tunnel, yeah.
• 1:02:42
  So they end up surviving. This was a really awesome, like,
• 1:02:44
  choreographed fight scene. Again, I'm not a person who,
• 1:02:47
  like super loves a ton of fight scenes, but this was really well
• 1:02:50
  choreographed and beautiful to watch.
• 1:02:51
  Yeah, they did a. Good job.
• 1:02:52
  I'm super impressed with their ability to fight these things.
• 1:02:55
  Like they they become badass for a moment like it's skilled
• 1:02:58
  fighters. Like I wonder if they took like
• 1:03:00
  MMA they seem like the type that would have done some like casual
• 1:03:02
  MMA I. Think they would do Krav Maga?
• 1:03:06
  Or whatever one is that the one that Steven Seagal does?
• 1:03:11
  You just do. Do the chop.
• 1:03:13
  There we go. Yeah.
• 1:03:15
  I mean, it's essentially what happens here.
• 1:03:16
  They just, like, fuck them up. So until they see that there's
• 1:03:21
  too many of them and. They have like a moment.
• 1:03:25
  The monsters respect that. They need to have their final
• 1:03:27
  moment here, and Sarah picks up the pickaxe and she kind of
• 1:03:31
  shifts her hand a little bit and the necklace falls and Juno just
• 1:03:36
  knows, just gives her a. Look a look, it's like I know, I
• 1:03:39
  know what happened and. Sarah, this is fucking cold.
• 1:03:44
  Yeah, she this is the opposite of a mercy kill.
• 1:03:48
  She takes that pickaxe and kneecaps Juno.
• 1:03:53
  Yeah, God. Damn man, she just pickaxes her
• 1:03:56
  fucking leg and then she can't walk anymore.
• 1:03:58
  She's immobile and she's. Immediately overwhelmed by the
• 1:04:00
  creatures as Sarah leaves and Sarah's running through it, she
• 1:04:05
  tries to climb her way out and ends up falling.
• 1:04:08
  She wakes up in the water, and she sees a light, and she climbs
• 1:04:11
  up a pile of bone and she gets out of the earth, and she can't
• 1:04:16
  believe it. And she goes running for the
• 1:04:19
  car. And because they'd left the keys
• 1:04:20
  and the visor, she's able to get in there and drive away.
• 1:04:23
  And as she gets to the highway, she pulls over and takes a
• 1:04:28
  moment to sob. A truck honks its horn at her,
• 1:04:32
  drives very, very close. And she's like, OK, it's OK,
• 1:04:36
  it's OK. And she turns around and Dunju
• 1:04:38
  nose in her car. It's a ghost and then you see
• 1:04:41
  her, she's screaming, does an. Up close, cut to her face, Yeah,
• 1:04:45
  which if you were watching the UK version, then pulls back away
• 1:04:50
  and we see she never actually made it out of the case.
• 1:04:52
  Yep, she. Died down there, but in this in
• 1:04:55
  this version, she's alive, yeah. And she just sees ghosts.
• 1:04:58
  Now and also. Leaves them open to do a sequel,
• 1:05:01
  which they did end up doing. We've never seen it, but I know
• 1:05:04
  that they like, yeah. I've not.
• 1:05:06
  Seen it. OK, this is maybe.
• 1:05:08
  We should just like us talking. About the car last night, yeah.
• 1:05:11
  You're right. Yeah.
• 1:05:13
  OK, So, yeah, that's how it ends.
• 1:05:15
  So what are you gonna rate it now?
• 1:05:18
  I'm gonna. I'm gonna bump it up to 9.25,
• 1:05:22
  OK? Cool.
• 1:05:23
  Yeah, I'm gonna keep mine 9.5 Got it.
• 1:05:27
  This is just one of the rare super effective movies that just
• 1:05:30
  got Yes, I can recommend this to anybody, but there's not a
• 1:05:35
  single person that I don't think this movie will have an impact
• 1:05:37
  on. Yes, it's not.
• 1:05:38
  One of those where I'm like, I don't know if this is the right
• 1:05:42
  kind of movie for, like, everybody.
• 1:05:44
  There's gonna be something scary for everybody.
• 1:05:46
  Exactly. Yeah, it just like it gets those
• 1:05:49
  like animalistic fears that we have, like, you know, oh God, it
• 1:05:54
  touches. On all of those primal
• 1:05:55
  instincts, yeah. Well, it's so effective, so
• 1:05:58
  cool. What about Talia?
• 1:06:01
  What did she rate this thing? Oh man.
• 1:06:03
  So Talia, as I talked about kind of towards the beginning of
• 1:06:06
  this, she was incredibly active during this movie.
• 1:06:10
  She immediately pulled out Ralphie.
• 1:06:13
  And Ralphie is her loudest squeaky toy.
• 1:06:15
  It sounds like, you know, the little things at birthday
• 1:06:19
  parties and New Year's it. It sounds like that, except she
• 1:06:22
  can squeak it over and. Over again.
• 1:06:25
  And Travis is like, I don't, she's so happy and I don't want
• 1:06:29
  to take it away from her. And he, like, kind of offered a
• 1:06:31
  gentle trade and she accepted the gentle trade.
• 1:06:35
  But then she, you know, was just kind of lying there pouting.
• 1:06:39
  And then she needed to go out at 19 minutes and 12 seconds, and
• 1:06:44
  then she needed to. Stop and play.
• 1:06:46
  I had to do the game where I put my hand underneath her chin so
• 1:06:49
  she can't grab it. Yeah.
• 1:06:51
  And then I thought maybe she was a cave dweller because she
• 1:06:55
  needed to go out again at One O 5.
• 1:06:57
  She was like, I can't watch all of my people die.
• 1:07:00
  Yeah. So Talia was like on one, I
• 1:07:03
  think she thinks this is a really effective movie.
• 1:07:05
  She was very afraid. And she was like, why would you
• 1:07:08
  go in the Earth instead of just eating the earth?
• 1:07:11
  You know what? She's got a great point, so I
• 1:07:14
  think. Talia.
• 1:07:15
  I think Talia gives us the perfect ten.
• 1:07:16
  I think so too. I think it really affected her,
• 1:07:19
  I think Zoe. I know this isn't going to be
• 1:07:22
  like the most creative one, it's the only.
• 1:07:25
  Logical one? Yeah, the the.
• 1:07:26
  Dwellers. Yeah, and my reasoning for this,
• 1:07:30
  though, is because of the dead moose.
• 1:07:32
  And she's got her toy mooses that she hunts around the house.
• 1:07:35
  We. When we were watching it last
• 1:07:37
  night, you made a great point. Whenever they're down there and
• 1:07:40
  they don't know that they're there and they're crawling on
• 1:07:42
  Sarah's head like, Oh my God, it's exactly like Zoe in the
• 1:07:45
  mornings. She.
• 1:07:47
  Like, and I don't think she does things to try and wake us up,
• 1:07:51
  don't get me wrong, but there are times where it feels like
• 1:07:53
  she's just trying to get comfortable on the bed and
• 1:07:56
  doesn't understand that stepping on our face doesn't feel good.
• 1:08:00
  Yeah. So yeah, Dweller all the way.
• 1:08:04
  It's yeah. 100% yes. All right, Who did you relate
• 1:08:10
  to? I'm going to say Sam because
• 1:08:14
  I've got an older sister and this is very much like the vibe
• 1:08:17
  in college because she'd be like come hang out with me and my
• 1:08:19
  friends. And I always felt like the baby
• 1:08:21
  of the group because I was that they were all very like
• 1:08:23
  welcoming. And it was always like a nice
• 1:08:25
  fun time. Except for the one time I got
• 1:08:27
  kicked out of Madison Garden because it became 9:00 and they
• 1:08:32
  don't allow you inside if you're under 21 after 9.
• 1:08:36
  So but yeah, I, I definitely related to that.
• 1:08:39
  And also my sister and I are obsessed with each other.
• 1:08:42
  So their their vibes. OK, I felt it.
• 1:08:47
  Who did I relate to? I think I related to Beth
• 1:08:52
  because I liked her as a good support friend.
• 1:08:56
  Yeah, if somebody killed me, I would be like that person
• 1:08:59
  fucking did it. They fucked me over.
• 1:09:01
  Kill them. Avenge me.
• 1:09:04
  Yeah. I don't care if it was.
• 1:09:05
  An accident. You killed them for me and they
• 1:09:09
  cheated, Yeah. Also, she sucks.
• 1:09:12
  Yeah. Yeah, I'm just burning bridges
• 1:09:16
  on my way out. Yeah.
• 1:09:17
  I'm going down and I'm taking everybody with me, creating all.
• 1:09:20
  Kinds of chaos, Yeah. OK, cool.
• 1:09:24
  We didn't really say a change, but we've kind of already made a
• 1:09:26
  known throughout the episode. Just so like, if there's one
• 1:09:30
  change, like just, you know, you don't have to do The Cave
• 1:09:32
  flowers. They're fine.
• 1:09:33
  Yeah, but you don't have to, like, take it away.
• 1:09:35
  I want to see what that movie's like.
• 1:09:37
  Yeah. Yeah, I want to see the cuz it
• 1:09:40
  like we said, cave scary, cave scary, cave scary.
• 1:09:43
  Cave scary. That is our tagline, I think,
• 1:09:45
  yeah. Cave.
• 1:09:45
  Scary cave. Scary all right so you don't
• 1:09:50
  know the sequel so how would you want this to actually unfold
• 1:09:54
  after this so let's stick with the ending that we got or we can
• 1:09:59
  go with The Cave so choose your own adventure here we have a
• 1:10:01
  fork in the road I. Wanna go with the original
• 1:10:04
  version where she's she's in. The game in The Cave, OK.
• 1:10:07
  So I like to imagine because they've filed this flight plan
• 1:10:14
  and they haven't returned. So, you know, a rescue mission
• 1:10:17
  has started. Families have been notified, but
• 1:10:20
  they can't find anybody. Like they're nowhere along the
• 1:10:23
  tracks and maybe somebody close to them.
• 1:10:28
  Maybe it's like a cuz we, we didn't even talk about the watch
• 1:10:31
  that Sam's boyfriend gave. Oh yeah.
• 1:10:33
  I was like making sound, you know, maybe he like had a brief
• 1:10:39
  run in with Juno at some point and I was like, I just don't
• 1:10:42
  trust this lady. So maybe he was like secretly
• 1:10:44
  following along behind or something.
• 1:10:47
  I've got. One, So you know how we were
• 1:10:50
  debating about these vehicles, What if one of them is a rental
• 1:10:54
  and they're tagged? Oh, so they're like.
• 1:10:57
  These fucking assholes didn't return the rental.
• 1:11:00
  Let's go collect it. That's a lot.
• 1:11:01
  Better than my idea. OK.
• 1:11:03
  Yeah. So.
• 1:11:05
  They do that, they notice that, and then a rescue team is sent
• 1:11:09
  to rescue her. Sarah has learned to navigate
• 1:11:13
  the caves. She feeds off of the scraps that
• 1:11:18
  they bring down there, so whenever they move along, she
• 1:11:21
  goes over there and just eats what little she can.
• 1:11:23
  And she's going to. Have a moment where the first
• 1:11:25
  rescue person she sees, she does like a Juno.
• 1:11:28
  So we get like a full circle in her story.
• 1:11:30
  Yeah, a little bit. She does an accidental Juno
• 1:11:33
  accidentally kills. Them.
• 1:11:34
  Yeah, yeah. Except maybe he's not dead and
• 1:11:37
  she stays behind to try and help him.
• 1:11:39
  Yeah, she like. Yeah, I'm not that type of
• 1:11:41
  person. Yeah.
• 1:11:43
  So yeah, I mean, let's just see how it goes from there, OK?
• 1:11:46
  It's a rescue mission type too. Yeah.
• 1:11:48
  Yeah, OK. Cool, cool.
• 1:11:51
  We already talked about tagline. Yeah, tagline.
• 1:11:54
  So, temporary reviews. OK, all right.
• 1:11:56
  What? You got for me so.
• 1:11:59
  I found us a IMDb review and you knew.
• 1:12:02
  That we're both very fond of this movie, so I'm assuming it's
• 1:12:05
  a less positive review. Yeah, I.
• 1:12:07
  Wanted to find the critic review but I couldn't find any good
• 1:12:10
  critic reviews because we haven't done one in a long time
• 1:12:12
  on the show but I went with one from March of 2007.
• 1:12:16
  OK it's a 3 out of 10. It's titled Rapid Descent.
• 1:12:22
  After being told again and again I should watch this movie
• 1:12:24
  because it's so creepy and gory and will scare me rigid tonight,
• 1:12:29
  I watched it. The scent is right.
• 1:12:31
  Indeed. It started well.
• 1:12:32
  The whole cave. Such potholing plot could have
• 1:12:35
  been great until the monsters came along.
• 1:12:38
  They instantly reminded me of Voldemort from Harry Potter.
• 1:12:42
  Scary to kids maybe. To me they simply looked like
• 1:12:45
  daylight starved humans with bad not menacing teeth and made
• 1:12:49
  sounds like a cat in pain. From that point on it got
• 1:12:52
  steadily worse, less and less impressive.
• 1:12:54
  It didn't make me even nearly jump once, and the only thing I
• 1:12:58
  found creepy was the fact they were deep in a cave.
• 1:13:00
  Had the main plot unfolded with them fighting among each other
• 1:13:03
  and the battle of friendship tested then it would have held
• 1:13:06
  its own, but as it is it sucked. As for the gore, yes, lots of
• 1:13:11
  blood, but rapid camera panning and shutter speed settings put
• 1:13:13
  paid to any real gore. I put it no more glory than the
• 1:13:18
  original Friday the 13th, which was a much better movie.
• 1:13:21
  I give it two thumbs down. I only wish I had more thumbs.
• 1:13:24
  OK, so I think we can both say that we agree that the monsters
• 1:13:29
  aren't needed. Yeah.
• 1:13:31
  And you know, two more thumbs, two thumbs down.
• 1:13:35
  He only wanted one more thumb because he's a three.
• 1:13:40
  Sorry. No, Yeah.
• 1:13:41
  Like, I mean, I, I mean, I get it.
• 1:13:44
  I and I can totally see how that will take some people out of the
• 1:13:47
  movie. They'll not become fans of it
• 1:13:49
  because of that change. Well, and it's one.
• 1:13:51
  Of those things that like, they really built it up as this one
• 1:13:55
  type of movie, you know, it's the friendships being tested.
• 1:13:59
  They're already under great strain.
• 1:14:00
  And then they're underground as well.
• 1:14:03
  And things just keep going wrong.
• 1:14:05
  And it's, it feels very much like, you know, in X where they
• 1:14:10
  make the joke about Psycho, how it becomes a completely
• 1:14:13
  different movie halfway through. And it's kind of like what this
• 1:14:16
  movie does. Like it's like, OK, well, you
• 1:14:18
  followed this whole dramatic storyline, but now monsters.
• 1:14:22
  Yeah. And that's one of those things
• 1:14:25
  that you can either like accept or it completely throws you off.
• 1:14:28
  And I was willing to accept it. I don't need it though.
• 1:14:31
  And I can get how that would throw a person off if they've
• 1:14:34
  gotten really invested in wanting to see the resolution
• 1:14:38
  between friends that isn't done in by like is supernatural
• 1:14:43
  creature. Yeah, that's why I went.
• 1:14:44
  With this review, because I feel like that's a legit thing, I can
• 1:14:47
  totally see people being turned off from this movie because of
• 1:14:49
  that. And they even acknowledged how
• 1:14:51
  great the other parts of the movie were.
• 1:14:53
  Yeah. So.
• 1:14:53
  Yeah. All right, So let's take it over
• 1:14:56
  to listeners. Let's see what you guys have to
• 1:14:58
  say. So let's start off on Instagram
• 1:15:01
  with our buddy Michael E Howard, who says in 2007 a friend of
• 1:15:06
  mine told me I had to watch this new DVD called The Descent.
• 1:15:09
  He gave it to me under the stipulation that I watch it in
• 1:15:12
  the dark. I am so glad.
• 1:15:15
  How would he? Know.
• 1:15:17
  How would he know? Michael?
• 1:15:18
  You don't have to cave into that kind of pressure.
• 1:15:20
  See what I did there? Goddamnit I'm so glad you did.
• 1:15:25
  This movie terrified me and still does to this day.
• 1:15:27
  The claustrophobia, the creatures, the darkness and pure
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  terror of being trapped in an unknown system of caves makes
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  this movie a top notch horror movie.
• 1:15:35
  This cast is believable, especially Sean McDonald in the
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  role of Sarah. I do have to go with the
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  original ending, but The American does set up for a
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  sequel that isn't actually bad. 10 out of 10 for me.
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  Nice. Really well.
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  Done, man. Yeah, you know, and that's true.
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  Like if if you're going to do a sequel that does at least set it
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  up for it in a different. I mean, we have an idea.
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  But you know, I'm curious to know how this actually goes like
• 1:15:59
  sequel wise, the real thing. I need to watch it.
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  I feel like we should do. I'm curious.
• 1:16:06
  Yeah, well. But the lights off sounds
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  awesome too. That that's a great way to 1st
• 1:16:10
  experience this movie. And that's just, that's a wise
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  decision. You got a good friend there.
• 1:16:15
  The good news is we have lots of additional lighting around the
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  room. That's true, yeah.
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  All right, Next up we have Marnie who says a 2000s horror
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  gym. And you know what?
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  That's true. Actually this is probably like,
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  I know people hate on the odds for horror, but I don't think
• 1:16:31
  anybody can really this say. It was different from the other
• 1:16:35
  movies at the time. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:16:37
  It does stand out, yeah. I mean, cuz yeah, the 2000s were
• 1:16:41
  I feel like it has a distinct feel, but this doesn't have that
• 1:16:45
  feel to it. Yeah, Yeah, It's really nice.
• 1:16:47
  All right, next we have Ward Zombie on Twitter.
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  Who says I love this movie. The cost in The Cave with
• 1:16:54
  monsters is my favorite theme for horror.
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  This one was great. Well, 2000.
• 1:16:58
  Five must have been amazing. Yeah, dude.
• 1:17:01
  I got you three other movies lined up right there.
• 1:17:03
  Go check them out buddy. One of them for sure on Tubby.
• 1:17:07
  This one was great. Good mixed casts of characters,
• 1:17:10
  nothing gets too over explained. Well paced.
• 1:17:12
  Overall very good. Recommended highly.
• 1:17:15
  OK. Yeah, I, I mean, I agree It is,
• 1:17:17
  it is very well paced. Yeah, I mean.
• 1:17:20
  It's an amazing setting too. The Half Price Horror podcast
• 1:17:23
  says it's the scariest movie you can possibly imagine, even
• 1:17:26
  before the inbred cannibal monsters show up.
• 1:17:29
  A perfect film, although it's important to watch the UK
• 1:17:31
  edition to get the full picture. I agree.
• 1:17:34
  I just thought of a. Different sequel this but like
• 1:17:38
  another group of cave divers but it's also a cabin in the woods
• 1:17:41
  tie in when he said inbred cannibal killers.
• 1:17:46
  That would be good. Yeah, I could see that.
• 1:17:50
  All right. Final reviews from our buddy
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  Chad. OK, I was gonna.
• 1:17:55
  Say, I know I saw him send it in before, yes.
• 1:17:57
  So Chad says the Descent will keep you on edge and rack your
• 1:18:01
  nerves from the opening scene until the very last shot.
• 1:18:04
  Claustrophobic, an entirely female led the nimble direction
• 1:18:07
  by Neil Marshall is something he has not.
• 1:18:11
  He has not eclipsed before it or since.
• 1:18:14
  Also brilliant in The Cave as symbolism for the journey
• 1:18:17
  through the female anatomy, starting with lungs then to the
• 1:18:20
  stomach. The bloody pit with white dudes,
• 1:18:24
  white dude monsters that want to kill is not subtle, but I love
• 1:18:28
  Chad. Can I just gently point out that
• 1:18:31
  lungs and stomach are not unique to the female anatomy?
• 1:18:37
  I, I, I get it. I get what he's saying, but I
• 1:18:42
  love it. 10 out of 10 for me. Never needed a sequel, all
• 1:18:46
  right? But.
• 1:18:48
  I'm curious about the sequel now.
• 1:18:50
  Yeah. It's one of those things that I
• 1:18:52
  feel like I need to see it just to see what they did with it.
• 1:18:54
  I feel like I. Watched it, but I can't remember
• 1:18:57
  anything. So maybe I didn't watch it.
• 1:18:58
  I don't know. But that wasn't, you know,
• 1:19:00
  that's, that's an interesting review.
• 1:19:02
  I would have never even thought of that.
• 1:19:04
  I wonder if that was intentional.
• 1:19:05
  I wouldn't have thought. Of any sapphic imagery with
• 1:19:07
  this, but I generally tend to stay away from the.
• 1:19:11
  From the. Genitalia related metaphors in
• 1:19:14
  most movies. What if?
• 1:19:15
  In The Cave, The Cave paintings, the mountain had boobs.
• 1:19:19
  That's what the Buffaloes are, Yeah.
• 1:19:23
  That's why they got one on each side.
• 1:19:24
  Forgive me. People I can't see this is what
• 1:19:26
  boobs I think might be this is what my boobs.
• 1:19:29
  Feel like buffaloes. OK, cool.
• 1:19:34
  That's it for our reviews. Yeah.
• 1:19:35
  So that is it for this week's episode with everybody and
• 1:19:38
  that's. Actually, it for August, and I
• 1:19:40
  haven't fully settled on what next week's maybe it's gonna be
• 1:19:43
  yet. And guess what?
• 1:19:45
  It's our show, our rules. I don't have to have it because
• 1:19:47
  it's a new month. That's.
• 1:19:49
  It's just it is what it is. It's true though.
• 1:19:51
  We're going to post our schedule and I always post to where to
• 1:19:54
  watch. So that'll happen.
• 1:19:56
  And if you want to be on the UPS with that, you can follow us on
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• 1:20:07
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• 1:20:09
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• 1:20:11
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• 1:20:13
  Yeah. So you can do all of those
• 1:20:15
  things and learn what I finally settled on.
• 1:20:18
  That's right. That's the place to go, yes.
• 1:20:20
  In the meantime, though, we would like to thank our patrons.
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  Posts makes a big difference too.
• 1:20:51
  Yeah, especially like when we're talking about our episode for
• 1:20:54
  the week because it it has brought in new listeners that
• 1:20:57
  are like, oh man, I love this movie.
• 1:20:59
  I'd really love to hear you talk about her.
• 1:21:00
  Oh man, I hate this movie. I need to, I need to hate
• 1:21:04
  listen. True, same Hate listen still
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• 1:21:10
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• 1:21:13
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• 1:21:18
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:21:19
  Thank you guys. And definitely, I'm just gonna.
• 1:21:20
  Throw this out there, definitely be keeping an eye on our social
• 1:21:23
  media because we've got a few things planned.
• 1:21:27
  It's coming up what we want to start doing that we're going to
• 1:21:29
  have some fun with. So yeah, it's.
• 1:21:31
  Going to be getting interesting, so we're going to get a little.
• 1:21:33
  Get a little weird, yeah? All right, y'all, all right.
• 1:21:36
  Thank you guys for being here. We appreciate it.
• 1:21:38
  We will see you on whatever Jessie picked next week.
• 1:21:40
  Yeah. Probably.
• 1:21:43
  Yeah, feeling. Some Shyamalan in the future.
• 1:21:46
  In the future, we'll see. Until next time, all right, bye.
• 1:22:02
  All right, so let's talk about some of the I was.
• 1:22:08
  Trying to do it while you were talking well.
• 1:22:10
  I appreciate that, but that comes through even whenever I'm
• 1:22:13
  talking. You have your own mic.
• 1:22:15
  Sorry. It's fine.
• 1:22:17
  You can take drinks. I'm just going to like not talk
• 1:22:20
  during a if that's fair. That's fair.
• 1:22:21
  I'd like to edit around that. All right.