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WR Coach at University of Kansas, Terrence Samuel Joins · The Gregg Bell Show

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  Speaker 1: To the Beacon plumbing Hothine we go where we are
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  Speaker 1: pleased and thankful to be joined by Terrence Samuel, busy
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  Speaker 1: receivers coach on the recruiting trail for the University of Kansas,
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  Speaker 1: talking to us from Texas. He's the college position coach
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  Speaker 1: for Seahawks sixth round pick Emmanuel Henderson. Junior coach, Samuel,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for joining us while you're busy. Appreciated. How are you, sir.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well and it's pleasure to be on with
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  Speaker 2: you and talking about Emmanuel.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. The Seahawks told us that they GPS at
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  Speaker 1: Kansas measure Emmanuel Henderson at twenty two point nine miles
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  Speaker 1: an hour, like faster than you can drive through a
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  Speaker 1: school zone in the morning. So we know that part
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  Speaker 1: of him. We know him as a punt gunner, as
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  Speaker 1: a punt returner. There's a job opening in Seattle for that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know about him as as a wide receiver.
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  Speaker 1: And you were his receivers coach. What can you tell
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  Speaker 1: us about him as a ready for the NFL wide receiver.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's coming from Alabama and I think that's probably
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  Speaker 2: where the whole thing's got to start. He was trained there.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he was in a room that had some
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  Speaker 2: really really good wide receivers. And you know when you
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  Speaker 2: start in this portal and you're looking for players, generally
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  Speaker 2: you're looking for guys with a lot of a lot
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  Speaker 2: of reps. Well, he didn't have a lot of reps.
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  Speaker 2: So what you saw on film was just a guy
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  Speaker 2: that went with great effort. You know, was technically sound.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he just needed the opportunity. So it was
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  Speaker 2: a bit of a roll of dice, a little bit
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  Speaker 2: to go after. But once you saw what he did
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  Speaker 2: on film and how people raved abou him at Alabama, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: this guy had the ability to make plays at a
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  Speaker 2: high level, catch the ball, run pass dds, and give
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  Speaker 2: us something good to our office that we didn't have.
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  Speaker 2: So it was a no brainer for us. But bottom line,
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  Speaker 2: I mean he has he's been taught to run routes,
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  Speaker 2: create great separation. That's top part of his route. He
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  Speaker 2: was able to you know at the line of screen.
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  Speaker 2: He's just not going to touch him in a phone book.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's just that bad. So I said, my
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  Speaker 2: biggest job was just continue his growth conten years understanding
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  Speaker 2: make sure it's football like Q was on part with
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  Speaker 2: what was going to be necessary at the next level,
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  Speaker 2: and he did everything, I mean, and he got himself
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  Speaker 2: drafted behind him.
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  Speaker 1: He's had Manuel Henderson is six pounds. Coach. How did
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  Speaker 1: you use him in Kansas's offense? Was he mainly an
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  Speaker 1: X maybe excise or was he on the line? Was
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  Speaker 1: he in the slot? Do you move him around a lot?
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  Speaker 1: How'd you use him?
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  Speaker 2: That's the key. You got to move guys around, and
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  Speaker 2: you got to move a guy that has speed and ability,
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  Speaker 2: and he's your main target. And you know he was
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  Speaker 2: our main target. We needed to be able to put
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  Speaker 2: him in different spots and get him against linebackers or get
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  Speaker 2: him against safetys and and take advantage of his speed.
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  Speaker 2: So we used him in everything we could. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: even if there was you know, uh well, of course,
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  Speaker 2: you know, with special teams and things of that nature,
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  Speaker 2: but everything we could use it for what we did.
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  Speaker 1: How much did you have to I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: say fight, but because he was such a great special
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  Speaker 1: team stand out on punt punt return, took off turn,
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  Speaker 1: did you have to seed some of his offensive reps
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  Speaker 1: and snaps because of all his special teams prowess?
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  Speaker 2: No, No, that's the one thing about he man. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he'd rather be taken off of offense to get a
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  Speaker 2: special team's rep, you know, because he knows the importance
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  Speaker 2: and the impact of it. But us, no, he can
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  Speaker 2: run all day. That was never a question. We had
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  Speaker 2: to be smart and just make sure during practice during spring,
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  Speaker 2: during the fall camp, and we didn't overuse him because
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  Speaker 2: you know, you needed him much more important to us
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  Speaker 2: in the back half of the season. So his his
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  Speaker 2: ability his conditioning is really outstanding, and you know, and
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  Speaker 2: then his ability to go make plays in the special teams.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't had a guy I've coached for
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  Speaker 2: a while, and I haven't had a guy that understood
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  Speaker 2: that that third part of the game like he did
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  Speaker 2: and different in that third out of the game.
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  Speaker 3: Coach, from a coaching perspective, what separates his speed from
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  Speaker 3: other receivers you've coached over the years.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that he's not he he has speed, but
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  Speaker 2: he's willing to be physical. Generally, when you have a
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  Speaker 2: guy that's got some speed, uh in real quickness, then
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  Speaker 2: they shy away from being the physical. And like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I really took my hat to some of the guys
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  Speaker 2: that coached him at Alabama because you know, when I
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  Speaker 2: got him and he started to show him, you know,
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  Speaker 2: other parts of that physical game, that was an easy deal.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have to start from base one teaching him
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  Speaker 2: how to release. Hey, it was just adding the physical component.
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  Speaker 2: Then he did that just as easily because he wants
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  Speaker 2: to get better. So and that I'm gonna say this
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  Speaker 2: that that's going to be probably the best thing that
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  Speaker 2: you're going to have with in that Seattle is every
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  Speaker 2: week he's going to get better. He's going to find
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  Speaker 2: a way to get better. So he'll find a way
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  Speaker 2: to maximize that speed. And the question about that better guy,
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  Speaker 2: he's one of those guys that adding that physicality to
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  Speaker 2: his component is his releases and things that I make
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  Speaker 2: that took his game to a whole another level.
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  Speaker 3: We also know that he made an impact on special teams.
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  Speaker 3: How important do you think that versatility will be for
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  Speaker 3: him trying to earn his role with the Seahawks at
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  Speaker 3: the next level.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's the most important thing. It's what we
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  Speaker 2: talk to you. I mean at the college level. I
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  Speaker 2: mean it is about having wide receivers become excellent in
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  Speaker 2: special teams. Well, I mean I tell all my wide
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  Speaker 2: receivers one and two. Wide receiver one, WHDe receiver two.
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  Speaker 2: You may they may not have to get on special
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  Speaker 2: teams for three, four, five, and six, which is you
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  Speaker 2: better be on special teams, so you better learn to
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  Speaker 2: enjoy it and maximize it. You know, if you're wanted
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  Speaker 2: a better athletes on the team, which most wide receivers are,
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  Speaker 2: then you're going to be expected to be on special teams.
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  Speaker 2: So you need to come to the understanding that I
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  Speaker 2: need to maximize that third of the game.
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  Speaker 1: This is the advice of Terrence Samuel joining us from a
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  Speaker 1: recruiting trip in Texas. He's the receivers coach for the
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  Speaker 1: University of Kansas. On the Beacon Plumbing hotline here in
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  Speaker 1: ninety three point three, KJRFM coach Samiel, you mentioned you've
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  Speaker 1: done this for a day or three. You coached Cody
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  Speaker 1: White at Michigan State, and I understand you also recruited
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  Speaker 1: Ricky White the third to Michigan State before he then
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  Speaker 1: you left for UNLV for a year and he event
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  Speaker 1: going to UNLV after you had departed the Rebel staff.
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  Speaker 1: What can you tell us about Cody White? First of all,
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  Speaker 1: I know his background, but what he was as a
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  Speaker 1: receiver in what you noticed and making an NFL receiver.
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  Speaker 1: Same with Ricky White, who was a special team stand
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  Speaker 1: up much like Henderson at UNLV, but maybe not as
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  Speaker 1: known as for his receiving.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean with Cody recruiting him in Detroit, I
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  Speaker 2: mean going to watching some of these basketball games, there
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  Speaker 2: was an aggressive components there that he expressed very well.
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  Speaker 2: And you know he was dominated. Will you see guys
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  Speaker 2: that are just dominated on the basketball court. He was
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  Speaker 2: that way. But he was also intelligent. So that made
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  Speaker 2: it to where I could play him as a true freshman.
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  Speaker 2: He was intelligent, he was aggressive, and he was going
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  Speaker 2: to learn. As his athletic skills continued to grow, he
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  Speaker 2: was good to continue to get better. So he's one
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  Speaker 2: of the smartest guys that I've coached and just one
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  Speaker 2: of the better people on him and Emmanuel just two
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  Speaker 2: of the best people you're going to come around, come around.
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  Speaker 2: And like I said, I mean, Cody had his dad,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Shelby White, you know who's you know, a
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  Speaker 2: player personnel over Pittsburgh Steelers, and so he's been a part.
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  Speaker 2: He grew up with the game, so you knew he
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  Speaker 2: was going to have success at the next level and
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  Speaker 2: special teams wise, he was going back to my best.
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  Speaker 2: So I was blessed to be able to have Tody
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  Speaker 2: and have him played. I just wish he wouldn't have
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  Speaker 2: got injured. A couple of those guys.
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  Speaker 1: And Ricky White, we know him here as a special
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  Speaker 1: teamer so far, but as a wide receiver.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, now, Ricky was. I watched him him and coming
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  Speaker 2: out of Atlanta, I mean, you know, winning the state
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  Speaker 2: championships and thingsville nature being along for that ride. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he knew he was going to be special. I mean
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  Speaker 2: he just once he put his mind to it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and he made plays and he made plays, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I got a chance of watching, you know,
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  Speaker 2: his res shirt freshman year when he was a missions
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  Speaker 2: state up watching from from a distance, but he was
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  Speaker 2: still making play. So I knew that guy was going
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  Speaker 2: to be good and have the ability to play at
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  Speaker 2: the next level, just because I mean, everything just kind
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  Speaker 2: of came very easy to him, you know. But he
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  Speaker 2: was still he was aggressive just as well, but it
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  Speaker 2: came easy. I mean, just natural coordination and I coordination
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  Speaker 2: attacking the ball just I mean he's kind of that
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  Speaker 2: point guard type wide receiver, just smooth. So and he
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  Speaker 2: had that in high school and he really made a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people look bad in high school. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: glad to see he's still doing that.
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  Speaker 1: Coach Terrence Samuel, wide receivers coach from Kansas. The two
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  Speaker 1: oh six on our text line is asking about Emmanuel
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  Speaker 1: Henderson Junior's competitive nature. The Seahawks made it a priority
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  Speaker 1: on their draft board to draft guys who would they
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  Speaker 1: believed would not be in awe of coming into a
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl championship team and would compete in practices with
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl champions Where does Emanual Henderson Junior fit on
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  Speaker 1: your competitiveness scale?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so simply, Kert, when you take a gun, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you just ran down and third down or whatever, and
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  Speaker 2: you go on fourth down and you're asked to go
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  Speaker 2: down and run and make a tackle of a of
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  Speaker 2: a plumber turner from in college football and make the tackle.
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  Speaker 2: That should show you just how tough you know your
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  Speaker 2: hindustry is. He accepts that challenge. There's not going to
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  Speaker 2: be He believes in his speed, he believes in his
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  Speaker 2: skill set. So you know, and if you kick him off,
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  Speaker 2: he don't come after you. So I don't see him
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  Speaker 2: having any issue with being able to play at a
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  Speaker 2: high level, whether it's the bottom of the NFL or
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  Speaker 2: the top of the Nfl' right to the occasion. And
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  Speaker 2: he'll make it easy for you, you know, as a coach.
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  Speaker 1: So you've been doing this for a long time, sir.
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  Speaker 1: How much pride do you take in Emmanuel Henderson and
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  Speaker 1: Cody White Ricky White, players you've recruited, given them an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity in college football to then become in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: And and what kind of moment is that for you
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  Speaker 1: when guys like Emmanuel Henderson get drafted.
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  Speaker 2: Everything. I didn't get into this job for the money.
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  Speaker 2: I got to get into this job to coach players
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  Speaker 2: and and get them from point A to point B
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  Speaker 2: with efficient technique, you know, helping me. I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: the drugs, so to speak for me, is seeing a
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  Speaker 2: kid take a concept and master it and mode it
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  Speaker 2: and make it here. When you when you see that,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's fun, you know. And then they
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  Speaker 2: come back and they tell you how coach that works,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and you just made a DV look bad.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's a drug that you can't, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can't get enough of And so the other component
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  Speaker 2: of seeing them matures as individuals and being able to
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  Speaker 2: start them on the Instagram, see their family, you know,
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  Speaker 2: seeing me become the good husbands and you know, good
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  Speaker 2: dads and stuff like that. Those are that's why I
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  Speaker 2: got into this game. So it's it's so thrilling for
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  Speaker 2: me to be able to sit back and see these guys,
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  Speaker 2: you know, all the guys that I've been able to
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  Speaker 2: coach and give them to the league. I like to say,
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  Speaker 2: I helped a lot of guys get some money. But
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  Speaker 2: anybody pay me, you know, I like to I need
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  Speaker 2: a trip to a year for something, you know. But
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  Speaker 2: I mean to say, those those guys are all doing
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  Speaker 2: well and I can't do nothing to be proud of them.
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  Speaker 2: And like I said, I tell them all they say,
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  Speaker 2: the only thing I want from the middle of the
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  Speaker 2: jersey I'm to put up on the wall.
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  Speaker 3: Last thing for me, coach, what kind of development did
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  Speaker 3: you see from Emanuel throughout the season that the Seahawks
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  Speaker 3: may not even recognize yet?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I mean, like I said, we put
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  Speaker 2: a lot on it. I mean, and we expect that
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  Speaker 2: guys to study, have a really good feel for the
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  Speaker 2: game Flan before practice, you know. So what you don't
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  Speaker 2: see is how prepared that guy was, how quickly he
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  Speaker 2: came in to our office and understood it and maximize
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  Speaker 2: it and became a leader. You know. That's a quick
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  Speaker 2: turnaround to ask the guy to come from another system
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  Speaker 2: to come in kick it all up, and then all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden he's the leader that's impressionable, and so
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  Speaker 2: what he's going to be able to do is there's
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  Speaker 2: nothing about that playbook, the seattle that's going to throw
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  Speaker 2: him off. He'll be able to pick that up and
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  Speaker 2: then use his speed to the best of his ability.
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  Speaker 2: But that's the biggest thing you deal with with the
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  Speaker 2: guys like this. After you get out of the all
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  Speaker 2: being in the NFL, you have speed, you have ability.
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  Speaker 2: You google long and go out there and make a
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  Speaker 2: flu You'll go and be to play pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Terrence, I wanted to ask you. I've always wondered this
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  Speaker 1: the changing landscape of college football. As a position coach,
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  Speaker 1: how involved do you get in having to re recruit
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  Speaker 1: guys that are already on your team to keep them
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  Speaker 1: from leaving in the portal even during a season. And
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  Speaker 1: then how much do you have a say in whom
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  Speaker 1: you get your program gets in the portal or is
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  Speaker 1: that a head coach decision that maybe you don't have anything,
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  Speaker 1: they just hand you the players that are coming in.
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  Speaker 1: Or how much are you involved in the process of
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  Speaker 1: recruiting transfer portal players into your program.
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  Speaker 2: They have to be one hundred percent into it. I
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  Speaker 2: mean it's a group of effort. Don't get me wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but we're not the NFL model yet we have to
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  Speaker 2: be able to, you know, look at the players that
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  Speaker 2: are in the portal as that have interest and then
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  Speaker 2: see if it shiits. I mean, are they selfish? Are
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  Speaker 2: they willing to come in there and learn? Are they
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  Speaker 2: expected to come in here and start? You know, so
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  Speaker 2: you have all those conversations with these players in the
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  Speaker 2: portal and you try to figure out would they say
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  Speaker 2: in your program, Because if you come in and you're
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  Speaker 2: mouth content and you're wasting time getting better and put
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  Speaker 2: yourself on the field, if you come in like you
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  Speaker 2: Manuel Henderson did, he learned, he understood, he brought into
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  Speaker 2: the culture, and he made the most out of his opportunities.
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  Speaker 2: That's what should be happening in the portal But to
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  Speaker 2: answer your question just more readily, I mean, the biggest
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  Speaker 2: state for us is we need to all be on
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  Speaker 2: the same page with what we see in the portal.
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  Speaker 2: We need to or whatever it may be. We need
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  Speaker 2: to recruit them and we need to you know, show
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  Speaker 2: them that we can develop them and then get them
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  Speaker 2: in the program, get them going. The players that we
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  Speaker 2: have on the team that you're trying to keep. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't start right after the seasons over as far
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  Speaker 2: as we recruiting them. You have to identify those players
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  Speaker 2: and know that they can help you lay on or
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  Speaker 2: further on in next year or whatever. You start recruting
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  Speaker 2: those guys the year before you know it. It's your
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  Speaker 2: rhythm and it's your chemistry. It's how you treat the players.
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  Speaker 2: It's you know, how they do they feel like they're
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  Speaker 2: getting better? Do they feel like you care about them?
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  Speaker 2: If they feel like they're getting better and they feel
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  Speaker 2: like you care about them, then they'll stand with you.
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  Speaker 2: It's you know, it's when those guys feel like you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're not standing with them, you're not loving them, or
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  Speaker 2: you're not develop them. Yeah, they want to go to
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  Speaker 2: somewhere the place and they would go try to find
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  Speaker 2: some more money.
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  Speaker 1: Coach, I know you're busy. I really appreciate you joining
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  Speaker 1: us while you're on the road recruiting in Texas. And
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like Emmanuel Henderson, ow's your jersey to frame
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  Speaker 1: in your office there in Lawrence.
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  Speaker 2: The better be coming.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, be well, all the best to the
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  Speaker 1: Jayhawks there