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The Vikings have a QB problem…again | TSH Ep. 110 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All Right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome in to another episode
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  Speaker 1: of The Skull Hop.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Evan, I'm Austin.
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  Speaker 1: Where's a couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking
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  Speaker 1: beer talking about the Vikings.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and tonight was great. We had a great beer
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  Speaker 2: from Confluence and neither of us had to spin the
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  Speaker 2: wheel of purple punishments.
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  Speaker 1: And that's where the positivity ends, because we had to
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  Speaker 1: break down this pretty significant loss to the defending Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl champ our Vikings got beat by the Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was tough to watch. We also
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  Speaker 2: spent maybe way too much time talking about the Vikings
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  Speaker 2: quarterback situation and kind of what we thought it should
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  Speaker 2: look like moving forward the rest of the season.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a valid conversation though, and it's one
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  Speaker 1: that I think will continue to have. We also finished
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  Speaker 1: by looking ahead to the Thursday night football game, short
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  Speaker 1: week for the Vikings traveling to la to take on
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  Speaker 1: the Chargers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I have some good news and some bad news.
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  Speaker 2: I think I know the bad news. What's the good news.
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  Speaker 1: The good news is we get to get right to
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  Speaker 1: the beer and neither of us have to spin the
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  Speaker 1: wheel of purple punishments.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because we were realists and we preseason decided that
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  Speaker 2: the Vikings were definitely going to lose to the Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we both had that as our lock to lose,
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  Speaker 1: and we were correct. They lost that one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, even though we'll get into it, but even though
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  Speaker 2: they had some opportunities there, and we can blame one
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  Speaker 2: or two decisions and people, and we'll talk about that
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  Speaker 2: in a little bit here, But yeah, we don't have
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  Speaker 2: to spin the wheel because we made that prediction correct.
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  Speaker 2: Both of us did. I think I was looking down
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  Speaker 2: the list today, like everybody made that prediction. I think
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  Speaker 2: your kids might be the only ones that predicted a
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  Speaker 2: Vikings win. Maybe the coin two.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, everybody but my kids. Ah okay, yep, yep.
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  Speaker 2: The Vikings did lose twenty two to the Eagles, and man,
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles looked just unstoppable. But we can get to
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  Speaker 2: that here in a minute.
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's drink some beer.
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  Speaker 2: Let's drink some beer. So, Evan, you brought the beer tonight,
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  Speaker 2: tell us about it. What do we got.
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  Speaker 1: We got Confluence Brewing, a brewery that we've been to
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  Speaker 1: in person.
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  Speaker 2: Love Confluence.
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  Speaker 1: And I actually picked up a couple and I let
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  Speaker 1: you pick because I know that you're still reeling about
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  Speaker 1: this Vikings loss. Yeah, I wanted you to have a
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  Speaker 1: little pick me up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it might strengthen the mood there a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: So I saw this one on the shelf and it
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  Speaker 1: didn't even look like in Iowa beer. Honestly, I thought
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  Speaker 1: this was like some like old school beer that had
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  Speaker 1: made a comeback or something. And you can kind of
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  Speaker 1: see by the the can art that it definitely has
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  Speaker 1: that old style. But This is the old tavern premium
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  Speaker 1: light lagger from Confluence Brewing, And like I said, it's
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  Speaker 1: got that kind of like Chicago old style yep, kind
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  Speaker 1: of Milwaukee old Milwaukee. It's got that like kind of
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  Speaker 1: like medieval script font to it. The beer itself, golden
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  Speaker 1: it says it's a premium light lagger. It kind of
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  Speaker 1: looks like you're kinda like straight up the middle bud light.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing fancy, no frills, just good old fashioned beer. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If you just handed me this glass one of the
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  Speaker 2: ones that we just poured here and said, hey, what
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  Speaker 2: do you think this is? I would say, you know,
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  Speaker 2: ninety nine percent sure, it's just a light lagger with
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  Speaker 2: like some of those ciders can look like this sometimes too.
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  Speaker 2: Although this one's nice. It's got a nice little bit
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  Speaker 2: of a head re tension there. It smells good. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's just going to be a solid, awesome light lagger.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think i've had this one before. Have you
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  Speaker 2: had this one?
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  Speaker 1: Definitely? Well?
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  Speaker 2: Knowing Confluence and how good they make beers, I expect
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  Speaker 2: this to be, you know, top of the line light lagger.
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  Speaker 2: Let's give it a try.
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  Speaker 1: School school. Yeah, crisp, refreshing, clean, it's good beer.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, that's that hits the bullseye of the category of
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  Speaker 2: a light beer light lagger. That's one that you can
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  Speaker 2: if you have a riding lawnmower. Hopefully you have a
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  Speaker 2: cup holder, because you could put a couple back on
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  Speaker 2: the lawnmower while you're you're cutting the lawn and then
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  Speaker 2: afterwards you finish off the rest of the twelve pack
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  Speaker 2: recovering from mowing the lawn. Yeah, this is definitely a
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  Speaker 2: solid one summer beer light refreshing good. It's really good
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  Speaker 2: if you.
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  Speaker 1: Have a lawnmower and you need to a riding lawn more.
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  Speaker 1: Let me say, and you need to recover from mowing
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  Speaker 1: the lawn.
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  Speaker 2: I'm picturing like one hundred and fifteen degree day or
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  Speaker 2: something like that. Like you know, you know, I have.
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  Speaker 1: A riding lawnmower, and I have the riding lawnmower because
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  Speaker 1: I used to push my hole on. Yeah, and I
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  Speaker 1: have like I don't know, I think I have like
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  Speaker 1: three quarters of an acre, okay, or maybe two thirds
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  Speaker 1: of an acre. I don't know. It's it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: to mo Yeah, and my yard is really hilly, so
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  Speaker 1: I had to push more for a while, and then
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  Speaker 1: I got the rider, and like, the rider is awesome
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  Speaker 1: because it's like I'm done in twenty minutes. He's taking an.
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  Speaker 2: Order on there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, there is. There's definitely a it's a
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  Speaker 1: John Deere.
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  Speaker 2: Oh nice, nice, Okay, Well, yeah, you could drive in Iowa, Illinois,
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  Speaker 2: Iowa Midwest lawnmower and drink and Iowa beer with this
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  Speaker 2: old tevern. It's really good. I like it a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just going to hit the hit the
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  Speaker 2: spot while we complain about our favorite football team here
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  Speaker 2: for the next little while.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got plenty of grievances to air. As we mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: the Vikings lost to the Eagles twenty eight twenty two
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday, today's Monday. We're recapping that in we will
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  Speaker 1: eventually look ahead to a very short week for the
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  Speaker 1: Vikings playing Thursday night against the Chargers, although not as
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  Speaker 1: short as the Chargers because the Chargers played in the
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  Speaker 1: late Sunday window.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the Vikings have just a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: an edge in terms of rest and recovery, just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. But anyways, Roses and thorns. Let's talk about
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  Speaker 1: roses first. What were the good things about the game
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  Speaker 1: if any.
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  Speaker 2: So I have an actual rose. But my first rose
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  Speaker 2: that I thought of is that we were able to
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  Speaker 2: unexpectedly watch this game together. We didn't initially plan on
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  Speaker 2: watching it together, but it wasn't televised locally, which I
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  Speaker 2: didn't really know. But I've got Sunday ticket and I don't.
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  Speaker 2: And you texted me and said, hey, yeah, I asked
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  Speaker 2: about your opinion on a player. I said something about
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  Speaker 2: a play and you're like, yeah, actually I didn't see that.
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  Speaker 2: I can't find a reliable stream. And immediately I was like,
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  Speaker 2: come over, I've got it on. And it was probably
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  Speaker 2: the first quarter when you came over there, probably.
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  Speaker 1: Within ten fifteen minutes of you inviting me, I was there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So that that was the only rose I could really
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  Speaker 2: think of. But then I thought of another one, just
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  Speaker 2: that some players are starting to get healthy. We saw
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  Speaker 2: like Cashman back, ye, Brian O'Neil was back, and I
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  Speaker 2: think both of them played well, unless their PFF grades,
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  Speaker 2: you know, are telling the truth that they didn't actually
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  Speaker 2: play well. I don't know. From the naked eye, it
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  Speaker 2: looked like to me that both of those guys played well.
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  Speaker 2: Seems like Carson Wentz's non throwing shoulder wasn't enough to
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  Speaker 2: keep him out. Unfortunately, Donovan Jackson, first round pick, left guard,
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  Speaker 2: he was back. I don't think did they ever put
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  Speaker 2: him on IR.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so, because I think they knew his
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  Speaker 1: wrist surgery would be a pretty short recovery, so they
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  Speaker 1: never put him on IR.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's that's really the only big rose I've
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  Speaker 2: got is that some players are getting healthy. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: that can only be hope good news for the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought Jordan Addison played really well and it's
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  Speaker 1: it's good to see him contributing in a big way.
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  Speaker 1: He's such a vital part of the offense because and
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  Speaker 1: I think the broadcast even kind of mentioned this, or
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  Speaker 1: maybe maybe it was actually Koc in his postgame presser.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody articulated this, and it's nothing new, and opposing defenses
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  Speaker 1: know this that justin Jefferson draws a lot of attention
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  Speaker 1: and when that happens, it usually opens up opportunities for
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  Speaker 1: other guys. And in the first three games of the
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  Speaker 1: season while Addison was suspended, it wasn't really clear who
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  Speaker 1: that guy was going to be. Jalen Naylor, maybe kind
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  Speaker 1: of got a few opportunities. TJ. Hockinson didn't really look
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  Speaker 1: himself the first couple of games of the season. So ever,
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  Speaker 1: since Addison's been back and whatever situation happened in Europe
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  Speaker 1: is now kind of water under the bridge, he seems
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  Speaker 1: like he's you know, back in prime shape and contributing
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  Speaker 1: in a big way. He had a really good game.
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  Speaker 1: His stat line was what was it.
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  Speaker 2: He had nine catches, one hundred and twenty eight yards.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so a really good game. I wish we could
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  Speaker 1: have gotten a touchdown in there for him.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, he definitely should have had a touchdown at
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  Speaker 2: one point, but Carson Wentz, even though it was completion,
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  Speaker 2: underthrew him severely at one point and just yeah it
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  Speaker 2: was a catch but not no thanks to Carson Wentz
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  Speaker 2: on that one. Yeah, I agree Jordan Addison contributing coming back.
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  Speaker 2: He's kind of along that same mentality of players getting healthy,
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  Speaker 2: even though his absence was self imposed and not health
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  Speaker 2: really yeah, maybe mental, maybe mental, but hopefully I would say,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully he can put that behind him. But then, like
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned, he had that weird missing a walkthrough or
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  Speaker 2: whatever in London, but who knows what that was actually about.
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  Speaker 2: But either way, it's kept. He's been on the field
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  Speaker 2: the last few games and he's been playing well, so
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  Speaker 2: I guess that's all that really matters.
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  Speaker 1: So what's your thorn? I got it.
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  Speaker 2: No, man, it's gonna it's gonna seem bleak, it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: seem dark.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: There could be a thousand thorns right now. This is
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  Speaker 2: a safe place, hopefully my thorn. It just to me,
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  Speaker 2: it feels like there's no hope at quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: For the Bengals, their quarterback situation right now, they have
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  Speaker 2: an MVP level guy in Joe Burrow who has brought
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  Speaker 2: them to the Super Bowl Game at one point, but
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  Speaker 2: then he's dealt with injury. But right now Joe Burrow
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  Speaker 2: is dealing with injury, and the Browns their future at
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  Speaker 2: quarterback is Joe Burrow. Like they can they can take
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  Speaker 2: solace in that, even if this season is not the
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  Speaker 2: greatest for them. Right now you're talking, oh yeah, I did, Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I can't look it at that. But for the Vikings, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're they're QB one. I assume that's what JJ McCarthy
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  Speaker 2: is right now, is technically QB one there. QB one
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  Speaker 2: is injured. But there's to me no hope. It's not okay,
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  Speaker 2: we've seen he's good, you know, he's just got an
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  Speaker 2: angle thing, and once he's back it'll be all good.
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  Speaker 2: The reality is, once he's back, if ever, I if
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  Speaker 2: he's ever gonna be quote unquote back, because he's never
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  Speaker 2: been here to begin with, we don't know. If he's good,
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  Speaker 2: he could be terrible. And after that there's just no
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  Speaker 2: hope at quarterback. Carson Wentz is not the answer. Even
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  Speaker 2: if he was really good, he's really too old to
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  Speaker 2: put too much behind Max Brosmer. They is apparently not
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  Speaker 2: good enough to start or even play over Carson Wentz,
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  Speaker 2: which has been kind of ugly, weirdly ugly slash not terrible.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't know, it just doesn't seem like there's
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  Speaker 2: any hope. And when I was thinking of this Thornton today,
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  Speaker 2: I went as far as to look up, like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so the Vikings had success with Sam Darnald, and is
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  Speaker 2: there a Sam Donald of twenty twenty six? Is there
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  Speaker 2: a quarterback who is going to be a free agent,
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  Speaker 2: who you know after this season, who may be worth
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  Speaker 2: a flyer. Maybe he's been you know here, there a
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  Speaker 2: little bit and his current team's definitely gonna give up
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  Speaker 2: on him. Is there somebody the Vikings can try to
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  Speaker 2: pick up and koc can whisper into Because I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what JJ McCarthy is gonna be and there's nobody.
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  Speaker 2: There's no impending free agent quarterbacks. I don't know enough
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  Speaker 2: about the college game right now to know if there's
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  Speaker 2: a guy that could be available in the third round
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  Speaker 2: or something. It just seems like this quarterback position, it's
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  Speaker 2: either they're gonna limp along for another year with JJ McCarthy,
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  Speaker 2: slash whoever veteran Carson Wentz type they can plug in
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  Speaker 2: there when McCarthy gets phantom injured, or they're just gonna
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  Speaker 2: so bounce around.
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  Speaker 1: Are you admitting that this injury might not be.
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  Speaker 2: I think JJ McCarthy actually is injured. I just I
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  Speaker 2: think more of it. Like I've said many times, especially
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  Speaker 2: last week, I think a lot of JJ McCarthy's absent
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  Speaker 2: and his injury and the way the coaches are handling
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  Speaker 2: it is fear. I'm not a doctor. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: the severity of JJ McCarthy's actual injury. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: an actual injury, but I think there's also that element
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  Speaker 2: of well, we can't on once they throw JJ McCarthy
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  Speaker 2: out there again and they say, hey, yeah he's starting
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  Speaker 2: because he's healthy and he's ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. You can't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't go back and be like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: needed to bench him a little bit because his development's
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  Speaker 2: not there.
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  Speaker 1: Because then it turns into like the Anthony Richardson situation
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  Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, and we all saw how that turned out.
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is their quarterback and they're one of.
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  Speaker 2: The best things. Well, that's my biggest fears that Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Richardson is what JJ McCarthy turns into. And yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: the longest thorn segment ever, which was actually last week,
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's my thorn is that it just feels
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  Speaker 2: like there's currently no hope at the quarterback position for
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  Speaker 2: the Vikings.
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  Speaker 1: And my thorn I probably would have taken that one,
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  Speaker 1: but I picked a different one. The secondary on the
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  Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball just also seems like there's
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  Speaker 1: not a lot of hope there. There's just you've got
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  Speaker 1: some decent names. You've got Byron Murphy and Josh Mattellis
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  Speaker 1: and Harrison Smith. Isaiah Rodgers was splashy for a week there.
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  Speaker 1: He had a historic game, but they got lit up
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  Speaker 1: against the Eagles, And truthfully, they haven't really been a
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  Speaker 1: solid unit all season long. And it's a unit that
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  Speaker 1: we identified in the preseason, like they didn't do enough
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  Speaker 1: in free agency or the draft to really bolster that
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  Speaker 1: position group. And I'm talking cornerbacks and safeties, and you
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  Speaker 1: got rid of a couple of key players like cam
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  Speaker 1: Bin them and they're struggling right now. They're just they're
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  Speaker 1: not what they need to be.
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  Speaker 2: So did you see the all the noise about people
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  Speaker 2: saying horrific racial things to Isaiah Rodgers?
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  Speaker 1: Did hear about that? I saw the Vikings. The Vikings
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  Speaker 1: posted an official statement about it, So that's I think
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  Speaker 1: that's how you know, like it was a legitimate thing.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, those people just suck. Whoever's doing that,
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  Speaker 1: Like you gotta stop doing that, Like there's no room
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  Speaker 1: for that in our world anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, I saw the one I think it
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  Speaker 2: was on Isaiah Rodgers his Instagram story. He screenshotted like
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  Speaker 2: a DM messages list of messages that he got specifically
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  Speaker 2: from one person, and it was awful, Like just the
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  Speaker 2: guy obviously was probably frustrated drunk watching the game, saying
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  Speaker 2: terrible things that nobody should say to anybody, and like,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: if you're I don't understand that. If you're dming a player,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: get a life. We have a podcast about the vikings.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: We say all the time. We're just a couple of
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: dudes drinking beer talking about the vikings. We're not dming players.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: The closest we'd come to dming a player is trying
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: to shoot our shot, Like, hey, do you want to
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: come on our show? Like that would be it. We
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: would never be like, hey, you suck, Like even if
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: we thought that for a second, Like we'd never say that,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: let alone the racial part. That's horrible, And I that
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: sucks that there are people who are fans of our
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: team that that would even think that. I will say,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Isaiah Rodgers seemed to not play very well, but I
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: don't care if a guy lets a thousand yards receiving
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: go in ten touchdowns in one game. There is no
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: excuse for any of that.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: And I think that therein lies the difference, Like we
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: can sit here and be critical of our team while
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: still being respectful of the players behind humans, like if
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: any of them walked through the door right now, we'd
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: lose our minds.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: We do carwheels, like, hey, come take a seat, you
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: want to be here, Like, I don't know, Like let's
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: talk sports, yeah obviously, like it'd be crazy, But if.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: You want to talk about the game, we can, but
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: we don't have to. It's okay. So I'm concerned about
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the secondary. Yeah, I think it's shown some cracks already
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: this season, and I don't see it getting better. And
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: the Vikings still have to play some really really good
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: teams coming up. They haven't played the Lions yet, and
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the Lions were looking real good a little bit ago
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: on Monday Night football.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, playing right now the Bucks.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: They also haven't played the Packers yet. The Packers aren't
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: looking great, but they're not looking bad either.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: You could argue they're looking better than the Vikings.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: And the Vikings have to play the Bears again, and
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: the Bears have won four games in a row. Yeah,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: So the rest of the divisional games look scary to
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: say the least. And then you've got the rest of
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: the schedule, which is I think equally as challenging. So
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't like this secondary. I'm long
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: winded too on my thorn here.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Though it's good, there's legitimate things to be complaining about,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: and the secondary is actually absolutely one of them.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I think Isaiah Rodgers was kind of a one hit
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: wonder so far.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I think he's played well in the City game. They
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: definitely picked on him.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah they did. But Byron Murphy has not lived up
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: to the hype. Harrison Smith is aging and it shows.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's still definitely like one of the captains
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: on the field, and when Cashman wasn't around, he was
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: that guy like we saw him. I still point this
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: out move Ivan Pace into a spot and then Ivan
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Pace gets a sack. But now that Cashman's back, I
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: think Harrison Harrison Smith kind of took a back seat,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and he's still playing aggressive. There are a few plays.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: There's one play where I think he didn't he injure
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: an eagle. Didn't the Eagle receiver go down and he
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: had a he walked off under his own power.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: But was that the Smith one that to catch? And
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: then they.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I think, but they were they looked at the play
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: because they thought it might have been like a defenseless receiver.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, flag and they picked.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Up the flag on Hitman. So he's still playing with
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: some ferocity and some intensity, but it's not nearly what
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: it used to be. And that's concerning Josh Mettelis gave
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: up that big long touchdown to Was that to DeVante
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Smith or was that early on?
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I think that that was the one you're talking about.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: For the second quarter, that was a J.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Brown and that one right there too.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: It was kind of a mismatch.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: It's definitely a mismatch. Mittellus is a very athletic linebacker,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: safety hybrid. Yeah, there there's the meme, not even meme,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: there's the actual like image that showed that he had
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: played every position at some point. But I mean you
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: can't rely on him to be a true corner back, right, Yes,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I want Mattelis on the team. He's really good. But
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: that's definitely a mismatch, right there is a J. Brown
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: against him one on one, Like that's that's not something
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: you should rely on.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: And that's instantly that's maybe a Brian Flores you know,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: faux pas, right, like, oh yeah, we shouldn't. We shouldn't
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: do that again, right if we see that formation offensively
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: from then again we we might want to put Isaiah
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Rodgers or yep, somebody on him. You know.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I will say the Vikings defense, while the secondary was
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: concerning the.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Defense overall played pretty well well.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, to let twenty eight points go through is
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: not awesome, but they're rushing defense against Saquon did pretty good.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to pull up the actual stats here too.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I felt that because I have Saquon on
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: my face. Oh and he did not play very well.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, eighteen carries for forty four yards, which it's not
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: like they didn't try with him, and forty four yards
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: is not nothing, but it's not like he torched the
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Vikings meg rained, Deavante Smith and aj Brown both had
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: over one hundred yards, Brown with one hundred and twenty
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: one and two touchdowns and Davante Smith with one hundred
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: and eighty three in a touchdown, Like, you don't need
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: to run the ball when you got two guys and
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: that was basically they're receiving. Nobody else had more than
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: eighteen yards other than that, but I mean, you don't
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: need to do anything other than that when you have
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: two guys just going off. That means Jalen Hurts, who
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: only had four incompletions. By the way, he just did
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: whatever he wanted. A perfect one hundred and fifty eight
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: point three quarterback rating like or passer rating. Quarterback rating
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: is different, but it's just the the rest of the offense.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley didn't have to do much because the their
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Eagles passed game was just going off. And yeah, definitely
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: a very legitimate thorn to have.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Let's talk game balls quick. I think I kind of
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: already spoiled your game ball a little.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Bit, kind of. I mean, there's only so many good
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: things you can talk about. I mean, just looking at
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: stats wise, I think one of the only game balls
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: you can give out is Jordan Addison. Yeah, he didn't
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: score a touchdown, he didn't you know, change the game
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: out of nowhere like he did with his touchdown catch
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: against the Browns a couple weeks ago. But he definitely
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: splashed more than anybody else. Nine catches, one hundred and
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: twenty eight yards.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: He was a solid.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Target for Carson Wentz. He's really good. I just wish
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: his you know, mindset, he wasn't such an idiot sometimes
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: off the field, but at least against the Eagles, I
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: feel like he's one of the few guys that you
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: could even argue could get a game ball.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm gonna give mind A Will the thrill, yeah,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: because without him, the Vikings would have been blown out. Like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: how many field goals did he make in this game?
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Five?
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: He made five field goals? That's crazy. Yeah, So that's
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: fifteen points right there.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Well, plus that extra point too, So I mean he
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: would have been decent to have in fantasy.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he probably scored what like twenty some points or.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Something, sixteen points just by himself five times three. Yeah,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: sixteen points just for himself. Plus one of those was
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: a fifty nine yarder. I think we said it there
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: too when we were watching. Sometimes in some fantasy leagues
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: fifty plus yarders or given more points than just three.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: So well, and I think I pointed this out while
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: we were watching the game. There have been up until
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: that point there might this might have changed now. In fact,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I think actually Brandon Aubrey with the Cowboys changed this.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: There have been eight kicks up until the Vikings Eagles
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: game on Sunday. There were eight kicks of fifty nine
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: yards or more and Will owned three of them. Eight
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: made Yeah, eight made kicks. This here.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a crazy stat.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: He owns three of them, like so good. Like the
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: dude is just clutch.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: And I know they've been saying, they've been saying the
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: whole league wide. They kind of tweaked the rules on
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: the kicking ball that. You know, I don't know the
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: exact situation that the teams can like have the ball
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: all week and then scuff it up or do whatever
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: they want to and then bring them to the game.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know the exact situation, but I know that teams.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Can personally certain number of kicking balls.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're they don't have to start with a
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: brand new ball, right, And that was just opened up
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Sunday morning. But I will say with that, if if
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: everybody's playing by the same rules, then I'm good with that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: But apparently it's making for more exciting kicking throughout the league,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: which is kind of cool. I'm okay with that. You
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: remember a few years ago, I think it was like
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen or something in Major League Baseball when they
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: it was like the worst kept secret in sports that
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: they were allowing these base balls to be juiced or
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: however you know whatever juiced. And I think like the
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Twins that year broke the record for it was either
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: a franchise record or major league team record for like
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: the most home runs hit for a team that year.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Stuff like that, Like it makes it more exciting kicking balls.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: If everybody's playing by the same rules, that's okay. But yeah,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: will record. I mean, he's been looking pretty good so far.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the dude can kick, that's for sure.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: And as far as the skolhop is concerned, he is
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: still perfect on the season.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Because those wires in England, they they.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I've seen so many conflicting reports on that one too.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a conspiracy at this point, Like what's
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: the actual story.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I mean I saw him Initially when I saw the video,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, yeah, I definitely hit that wire. And
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: then I kept looking at the video. My personal opinion
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: is that it didn't hit the wire. And then apparently
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: there was some report that the NFL acknowledged that it
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: hit the wire, but that it wasn't going to change
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: the official ruling. But then I saw something else. If
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: the NFL never even said that, I don't know. In
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: my mind. Records still perfect this year and definitely deserving
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: of a game ball even in the loss.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I'm giving him a game ball. I mean,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the Vikings aren't even in this game without him kicking
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: all those field goals, so well, we can.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Kind of talk about that too. There's how many red
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: zone trips that they had? Five or six red zone
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: trips without a touchdown?
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Yep. And I think that's a part of Carson Wentz's
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: game at least right now. Maybe he had this figured
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: out at a different point in his career, but right now,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: those you know, those goal to go situations, Carson Wentz
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: just doesn't have the eyes for the field. Yeah, that way.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: And I feel like you look back at Sam Darnold,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: you look back at Cousins. They had eyes for the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: short field. In those situations. They could find Justin Jefferson
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and put the ball in the basket. On those corner
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: fade routes, you know, they could do those crossing routes,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you know when they're running toward the goalpost and everything
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: in between. And we've already seen it this season. Instead
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: of putting the ball in Carson Wentz's hands and trusting
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: him to get the job done, last week, Koc put
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: the ball in cam Akers.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: A couple of yeah in the Browns game.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and trusted him to score the touchdown on the
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: throw instead of the quarterback. You know. So I just
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: don't think that's part of Carson Wentz's game, and to
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: your point a little bit ago, that could be reason
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: enough for him to be gone for now. Like if
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the Vikings are going to continue to win, a change
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: at quarterback probably needs to happen.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we can get to that here too. But
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I think one of the reasons Carson Wentz, there's a
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: few reasons I think Chaos is sticking with him, even
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: not even looking at JJ McCarthy's health and his recovery
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: from that ankle boo boo. I think KOs is more
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: comfortable with Wentz right now because he is that veteran
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: we've talked about. Koc kind of appreciates that veteran mentality
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: and between the twenties or up until the Vikings get
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: into the red zone, and that was something he talked
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: about in too. Carson Wentz seems to be doing pretty well.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, his passing yardage is nothing to complain about.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: He's gotten what does he played four games for the Vikings,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: you know, started four games.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: For the Vikings. So far thirteen yards in this game.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and against the Browns, I think he had like
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: three p fifty. Like he's he's passing and getting the numbers.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: His accuracy is not terrible, you know, overall, it's not
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: terrible either in that game. Yeah, in specific situations. So
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I can definitely understand why a coach right now hy
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Koc would stick with Carson Wentz because it's only a
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: few identified plays where Carson Wentz. Outside of a few
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: specific situations, Carson Wentz is playing well. The thing is
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: those few situations and I kind of wrote most of
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: them down. That robbed touchdown pass to TJ. Hockinson late,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: which I can go either way. I could see if
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: it had been called not a touchdown on the field,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I could see them, you know, letting that stand. I
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: think that should have been a touchdown. But that's neither
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: here nor there either way.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: But there was the same picture of Travis.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Kelson saying it should be a touchdown.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Basically like and it wasn't even his hands were under
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the ball. It's like his hands are here and it
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: touched the helmet is the ground. They called that a
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: catch and somehow TJ. Howkinson didn't catch that ball.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: And I think the thing about Hockinson's catch, which should
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: have been a catch, is that after he bounced off
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the ground, which the ball grazed the ground. I don't
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: think there's there's not a lot of.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: The rule gives some grace that the ball can touch
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the ground.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I think Hockinson when the ball made contact with the
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: ground slight contact. Hockinson had control, and then when he
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: was bouncing up and started rolling off of the ground,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: he adjusted the ball in his hands.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I think it was he adjusted it. I think the
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: ball just naturally kind of flips.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: In his hands, never touching the ground after that, and
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I think it was that adjustment that refs are holding
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: on to saying oh yeah, nope, he didn't complete the catch,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: go to the ground completing the catch.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I saw things today through his interview where he was saying,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: the ref's on the field till him that it was
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a catch. Yeah, he said, and then New York overturned it.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I also saw I think we can call her friend
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: of the show, Sally Spice. She's been on the show,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: he's been on. Yeah, she tweeted, I don't know what
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: a catch is anymore, or something like that. Has that,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: but yeah, like yeah, and that was kind of all
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the rage in like twenty one twenty two that season,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: like what is a catch? What isn't a catch? And
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: we've kind of moved on from that, it seems like
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: in the league. But this definitely kind of reopened that
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: controversy a little bit.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that kind of derailed me a little bit.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I'm still talking about Carson Wentz and most of the
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: game he played fine, got the yardage, got the completions.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: But that Hockinson TD didn't have to be as hard
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: of a catch as Carson Wentz made. It could have
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: made it just two percent easier, and you're talking about
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: a touchdown. We're not even complaining about that. There was
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: a sequence in the same of two or three times
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: he tried to throw not even like a fifty yard bomb,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: just a slightly long pass to Justin Jefferson. Each time sailed,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: sailed or way off, no chance, And when we were
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: watching together, you said after each time, like, oh, Donald
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: would have had a touchdown right there with Justin Jefferson.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson's a good enough wide receiver. He could have
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: made that catch with a slightly better.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Because Donald would put it like here, and Wentz is
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: putting it like way over here.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Just no chance.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: There's just no way you're gonna catch a ball way
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: over here. But if if you're justin Jefferson, you can
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: get this ball right here, right, and it's not to
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: scale right like if you're watching on YouTube. We're not
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: like experts here. But I think that's the gist of it, right.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is just not as accurate as your kind
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: of like top fifteen, top twenty quarterback in the league
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: right now. He's just not yep, and that's a problem.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: So that poor pass to Hockinson late in the game
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: that Hockinson got robbed on, those multiple whiffs to Jefferson.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: There was that long pass that I mentioned earlier to
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Jordan Addison that was completed and was a really good
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: catch by Addison to the sideline that could have I
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: don't know. I guess I don't know what was in
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: front of Jordan Adison or who could have caught up
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: to him. I assume it's either a touchdown or at
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: least twenty more yards of a reception there for Jordan Addison.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: That's a big whiff on Carson Wentz. And then There's
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: two big ones that I haven't even gotten to. The
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: biggest ones the underthrow to Addison in the flat early
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: in the game, where you know, Addison motioned and they
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: were what at the fifteenish yard line, Carson Wentz just
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: threw five yards behind him and that would have been
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: an easy touchdown for Addison early in the game, would
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: have changed the whole outlook of the game immediately once
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Wentz through it, he like turned around and did a
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: little pout like. But the most egregious one that we
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: all saw was that intentional grounding to c J. Ham
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: when he was throwing in the direction of c J. Ham,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: but he knew he was. It's not like a it
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: was a poor pass. He purposely threw it in the
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: dirt him was wide open. He would have walked in
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: for a ten to fifteen yard touchdown reception. That would
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: have that was a critical point later in the game.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: That would have made things so much different. And Wentz
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: just panicked and threw the ball to the ground and
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: then got intentional grounding.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Like loss of down, fifteen yard penalty.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And when you add all of those again, what
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: am I talking about? Less seven or eight plays throughout
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: the whole game. Outside of those seven or eight plays,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Wentz probably played really well. Completions a.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Throw in twos. The two interceptions were also his bad,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: and I guess you could give a little credit to
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: the Eagles defense, but I think it's more just like
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: he was not aware.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Well the first one, the pick six, he just got
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: blown up. So yeah, he I don't know exactly who.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: The linebacker that ended up intercepting that pass kind of
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: appeared in the flat out of nowhere too, like he
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: wasn't in the box when the ball was snapped, and
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: he just kind of he I think he showed pressure
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: like he was gonna blitz, and then he just kind
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: of floated back and he's sitting in He's kind of
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: the spy and he kind of just sat there and waited.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: And it was a timing play for Carson Wentz. He's
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: looking for Justin Jefferson to make that crossing route and
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: he just lets go of it as he's kind of
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: coming out and let's go and boom interception. You know, Like.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I'm giving him less of a fault on that one.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: It's still terrible decision making. I agree with you, but
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: that was a lot more on Blake Brandell for not
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: even blocking the defensive tackle. He got blown up and
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: made a terrible decision which is going to lead to
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: not just a turnover, but we saw and points directly
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: from the defense and.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Then the very next interception too. It was kind of
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: egregious on Carson. More egregious I think on Carson Wentz's
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: behalf where he just like was kind of reckless with
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the ball and absolutely let it fly.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: And I'm convinced he had no idea that the cornerback
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: who ended up making the interception. I'm convinced WinCE had
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: no idea he was even out there. He just saw
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: who was it Addison or Naylor out there, and he
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: lobbed it up thinking it was one on one coverage
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: and totally missed the other defender. And yeah, you're right.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Those two interceptions, plus all the plays that I had
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, are why the Vikings lost that game. And
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: it sucks because those are direct Wentz decisions. And we'll
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: get to it later. But that's why I have my
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: opinions on quarterback that I do.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about coaching for a minute, because there was
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a moment towards the end of the game the Vikings
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: were saving timeouts, Kaos had saved timeouts, and they were
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: in the red zone, which they were quite a lot,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and I forget the exact sequence of plays, but there
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: was a penalty I think in there, and then there
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: was a lot of time that kind of ticked off
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the clock, and then it was either go for it
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: on fourth down or kick the field goal. And I
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: think the TJ. Hawkinson robbed catch was a part of
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: this whole sequence too. Chaos just kept trying to go
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: for it and he kept trying to go for it
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: and then and they didn't convert.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the Vikings had the ball. They were driving
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: down down by nine, and it got to the point
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: where they had the ball with around three or so
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: minutes left. It was before the two minute warning. Yep
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: they had Yep, they had all three of their timeouts
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: and the two minute warning in their pocket as ways
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: to stop the clock again. Down by nine, so you
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: need ten points to win. They're driving down and it
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: was starting to get talked about on the broadcast and
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: then also in my basement, you and me with us
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: and who it was a Greg Olsen. He had started
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: saying like, yeah, you if you don't score a touchdown.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Soon you get to the point where you just got
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: to kick the field goal, get the need one anyways,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: and then you have then you still have three timeouts
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: and the two minute warning to try and stop the Eagles.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Offense and to get the ball back four timeouts.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Well, had the TJ. Hockinson touchdown been an actual touchdown,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: that plan would have been perfect. They would have scored
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: a touchdown theoretically, had the opportunity to stop the clock
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: four times, not even have to worry about an in
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: side kick, tried to get a three and out. Worst case,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: they get a first down, and then you still have
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: three clock stoppages for the Eagles to try to stop
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: them from getting another first down. Could have gotten the
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: ball back to try to go down and then kick
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: a field goal. Well, the Vikings, it didn't work out
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: that way. The TJ. Hockinson catch was ruled not a
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: catch and then it ended up being fourth and two
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: with two plus minutes left, and the Vikings went for
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: it and they got it. They got the first down,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: But in that sequence after getting the first down, they
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: kept trying to get the touchdown, kept getting stuffed led
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: up to the two minute warning, so there goes one
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: of your clock stoppages. And all after all of that,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: they ended up wasting so much time they kicked the
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: field goal to get make it twenty eight to twenty two,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: and then I was sitting there just going nuts. I
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: think at one point you can attest to it. I
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: was saying, like, how am I smarter in this situation
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: than Kevin O'Connell, which Kevin O'Connell is a trillion times
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: smarter about football than I'll ever be, That's absolutely true.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: But in that situation, I absolutely knew what I would
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: have done in Madden if I was playing, you know,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: like with the clock turns out. But they even gotta
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: gimme at one point because they gave the Eagles the
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: ball back. They still had three timeouts left. They could
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: have gotten the ball back with a miracle three and
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: out and the Eagles and they stuffed. They ran once
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Vikings called the timeout, they attempted to pass and it
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: didn't go like that. It was incomplete free time out
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: and then ultimately it was a huge bomb down the
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: field to aj Brah a couple completions to him, but
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: the Vikings ended up losing, But it was all that
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I think. I think Kevin O'Connell was so spurned by that. TJ.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Hockinson like, oh, we had it, and he did what
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: people who lose a bet do. They doubled down, and
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: he was like, no, we had the touchdown, so we
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: need to get the touchdown. I said at the time,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: them being stubborn and going for the touchdown right there,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: only to get you know, stopped and settle for the
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: field goal. Anyways, that quarterback or that coaching decision was
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: as bad for me as that deciding. I think it
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: was against the Steelers. No, against the Falcons when they
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: were down by not too much late in the game
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: and they punted on like a fourth and one with
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: like nine minutes left in the game. Those were that
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: and the pushing for a touchdown. There two huge season
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: altering decisions that could have gone differently had they made
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: the better, better.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Decision, I think. And you said this, and you certainly
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: don't think that you are NFL head coach caliber. No,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: we're just a couple of dudes sitting here drinking beer,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: talking about the vikings and talking about what we saw
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: and what we thought, and you know, we can share
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: our thoughts that way. But like I think when you're
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: in that situation, I think maybe sometimes you're just so
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: close to the forest that you missed the forest for
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: the trees, right, Like, And I kind of pointed out
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: a situation because I've watched a lot of high school
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: football this year, pointed out a situation where I thought
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: that I kind of had the jump on one of
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: the coaches that I was watching this year, and like
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I kind of said out loud what he should do, yeah,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: about thirty seconds before he did it. And I think
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: it involved a penalty where like it would have been
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: more advantageous for him to decline the penalty than to
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: accept the penalty as the coach, And I'm up in
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the press box saying, decline that penalty because now it's
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: you know, fourth and whatever instead of third and whatever,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and yeah, you're gonna force him to punt. And then
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: sure enough, thirty seconds later he declines the penalty and whatnot.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Like sometimes when you're not down there on the sideline
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: and you see the whole thing, you can you can
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: see the bigger picture.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I even said it. I think Greg Olsen
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: was the one that you know on the broadcast, was
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: the one that was first saying like they might try
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: just to go for the field goal here to preserve time,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: And that clicked in my head, like that makes total sense.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Why aren't they doing that?
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: And I listened to Kevin O'Connell's press conference this morning,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: and he kind of defended himself, like of course, he
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: just kind of said like and I don't think he
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: was asked directly about that particular. I don't think any
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: of the reporters were. They didn't have the gumption to
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: kind of, you know, call him out, like, hey, what
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: were you thinking in that moment? And I think the
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: reporters that he works with, especially at those home games,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for him.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're not gonna, you know, put him on
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: glass in a moment like that. But he kind of
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: defended himself, and I think he kind of felt like
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: he had to defend himself in that moment, and he
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: basically just said, like, we felt like we had to
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: be aggressive because you know, what else are we going
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: to do? Like we were kind of, you know, we
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: were on the ropes and we didn't have any other options.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of how he defended himself, right,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: wrong or indifferent. You know. We can look at it,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: you know, and and sit here and complain all day
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: long about how bad it was, but ultimately he's the
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: guy has the headset and has the ability to make
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: those calls.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree with you.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: In hindsight, you know, and we watched it together, so
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: like I was in agreement with you in the moment, yeah,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: and I'm still in agreement with you that, Yeah, it
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: was probably mishandled, and you had the opportunity to put
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: your team in a different position to possibly win the game.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Who's to say that you actually come out on the
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: other side.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you still would have had to
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: have stopped the Eagles and you know, which hadn't happened
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: all day, and it was just a game that I
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: don't think the Vikings were going to win. It would
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: have things would have had to have gone severely differently
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: for the Vikings to have won. And that's just one
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: chess match scenario at the end of the game where
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: we can say what if until we're blue in the
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: face and you know, yep, Ultimately, a loss is a
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: loss and they're playing they're kicking off here in seventy two,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: but ninety ninety six hours whatever, however long until they
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: kick off way too the Chargers, way too soon, and
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: at some point you just got to move on.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I did want to bring up one other thing really quick,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: because we said this multiple times. You said it. I
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: think I said it last week on the podcast, and
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: then when we were watching the game, you affirmed what
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I had said. And I still think this is true
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: because even after watching his postgame press conference, I feel
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: this way. Kevin O'Connell just has a different demeanor about him.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: He does not have this same fiery like I don't
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: care what happens, like team culture, we're just, you know,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: we're about the guys. We're about the fifty three guys
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: in that locker room, and it doesn't matter what. Like,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: it seems like things are getting to Kevin O'Connell in
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: a way that they haven't gotten to him in his
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: first three years as a head coat.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I've thought a lot about that, and I think I
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: have at least an explanation why. Okay, first year twenty
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: twenty two, remember that was the heart attack season, like all.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: On one score wins, yeah, one.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: You know, one score and there that was when the
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: stat was still true, like, oh, if he's tied or
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: better wins the turnover battle, then he's undefeated. But if
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: he loses a turnover battle, you know whatever, either way.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Twenty two the vikings. I'm gonna I'm gonna look this
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: up really quick, just to be totally totally right here.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah I did. This is terrible, terrible audio. Sorry for
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: our listeners, Thank you for sticking with us.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Are you trying to look up twenty twenty two season stats?
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Just like their their record? What was their record? Oh?
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: They were thirteen and four, thirteen and.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Four, okay, and most of it they were winning. So yeah,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: they would have these emotional heart attack games and then
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: pull it off. All but four times they pulled off
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: the win. And that's where we got all those like
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: after the game raw rob videos, game ball here. Hey,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: you can't give away that many game balls because they're expensive.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: I don't care they take them out of my paycheck.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: It was awesome.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: They had a negative three point differential that year, like
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: they gave up so many points. Yeah, but they were
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: they were still winning games, which was awesome, and so
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: it was all good, mostly good.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: And then the playoffs, you know, you get burned by
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: the Giants and Daniel Jones and that just sucks twenty
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: twenty three, so there's still positivity. From twenty twenty two.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: You got Kirk Cousins playing really good. Everything's good twenty
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: twenty three. Going into that season, it's like, all right, hey,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: he could have won Coach of the Year last year
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: and the team's looking really good, and yeah, we're running
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: it back. We got everything. Twenty twenty three, there's some adversity.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: There's the hamstring injury by Justin Jefferson. He misses a
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: lot of games, but they win most of those games,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: and everything's kind of rough, but they're almost there, and
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell like, there's it's fluky stuff. Early in the season.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: It kind of sucks, but Kirk's still playing really well
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: and it felt like everything was going to turn around.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: And then they do start turning around. Justin jeff comes
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: back and Kirk's playing really well and they win a
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: couple of games. They beat the They beat the forty
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: nine ers really early on. That was Jordan Addison's famous
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: he let the pick go and then he you know,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: stole the later pass for a touchdown right at the
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: end of half. Things were starting to look up for
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: the Vikings, not too much adversity other than hey, we
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: just lost a couple and then boom, Kirk Cousins starting quarterback,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: one of the better quarterbacks in the league, boom done
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Achilles out for the year and that kind of that
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: sucks and it's adversity and you lose a lot of
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: games left in the year. But if you remember, that's
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: the famous year where we were like, hey, if they
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: end up making the playoffs, good luck, watch out. Yeah,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: and they almost did. I think they still had a
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: chance for the playoffs in the last two games of
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: the season.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they finished seven to ten. They won the
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: two games after Kirk got hurt. They beat the Falcons
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta and then they beat the Saints at home.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: But those were the josh Da kind of like Pastor
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: and that was fun. Yeah, and then you know, they
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: lose in Denver, they lost to the Bears, and then
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: they lost four of their last five games.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: So at twenty twenty two, some you know, close game adversity,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: but not much because they keep winning thirteen and four.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Great first season. Twenty twenty three, kind of tough season,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: but there's a lot of highlights and then boom, you
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: have that big excuse of like, man, if only right when,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: right when Kirk was playing well then he went down
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: for the year. If only, you know, they actually would
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: have been good. But we can't really blame anything. We'll
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: just kind of get healthy and run it back for
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: the future. Twenty twenty four. Oh, we've got the franchise quarterback.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Now everything's gonna be good. Oh crap, he sucks or
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: he's injured for the year. But Sam Donald, he's the
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: next Baker Mayfield. Oh my goodness. We won fourteen games
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: and only lost to two teams, and it's such a
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: great year, Like this would have been awesome coach of
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: the year. If only Sam Donald didn't just f the
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: bed your s the bed in the last two games,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: this could have been a crazy, awesome year. There's a
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: lot of a lot of highlights, a lot of good
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: things to love about twenty twenty four. So you're talking
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: three years where the only real adversity is the biggest injury,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: which is a kind of excuse built in when your
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: QB one goes down. That's a huge excuse to be
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: like ad it's not really anybody's fault when you're rolling
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: out Josh Stabs and everybody else nick Mullens. But twenty
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: twenty five, now they've got the franchise quarterback that should
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: be good. He's been injured, hasn't seen the field.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: For two years and hasn't looked good.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: And the two games he's been in, he's looked good
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: for about five minutes in one of them. They're, you know,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: come out of nowhere veteran quarterback who could be you know,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Sam Donald last year isn't looking good either. This team
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: doesn't feel like it did in twenty twenty two and
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and they don't feel like a good team.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Plus the rest of the NFC North is really good too.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: And let's not forget they went out and bolstered both
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: the offensive and defensive line. Offensive line has been like
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: four fifths injured all season, and the defensive line Hargrave
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: and Jonathan Allen look kind of like busts a little bit.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: We probably should give them a little bit of credit
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: because I think they've been okay, but they are not
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: what we're paying them to be.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd take I'd say Levi Drake Rodriguez has been
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: just as good and Jalen Redmond has been just as
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: good as those other two guys. But either way, so
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: it's been all good for the first three years of
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell and Quacy, and the bad during those three
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: years were excusable injury whatever. This year, there's no excuse.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: And we, myself included, we see, oh, injured ankle for
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy. I think everybody on the history of the planet,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: if you're an adult, you twisted your ankle before.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I twisted my ankle two weeks ago. Yeah, and I'm fine.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And we all have an issue. Myself included saying like, hey,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: a twisted ankle, Dude, Like it's a twisted ankle, who cares, like,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: shoot him up? How many times do we see players
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: basically die on the field and then ten minutes later
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: they're playing back on the field because they went to
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: the Blue Tech and got shot up with whatever medical
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: stuff and they're good. Now, we were jaded by that,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: so we think, oh, he twists his ankle, Jamia McCarthy
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: should be out there. Oh he's not out there. That
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: must mean they hate him and he sucks and they
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: don't want to put him out there because they're trying
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: to save their job. We're all cynical about that, but
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: there's just it's like my thorn from earlier in the podcast. Here,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: there's no hope at quarterback with your thorn. The secondary
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: doesn't look good, and I think Biden Murphy gets a
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: little bit of a pass because usually when you don't
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: hear from a cornerback, it's either they're playing really well
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: or they haven't gotten many interceptions. I think Bidron Murphy
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: he's doing both. He's playing well and he's not getting
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: the interceptions, so we're not hearing from him, so we're
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: not saying, oh, he had that pick six, so he
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: must suck, you know. Like either way, I think there's
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: so many legitimate concerns about the team this year that
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: we haven't had in all of Kevin O'Connell's career that
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: he's probably feeling it too, and nobody's closer to it
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: than him. He's probably pretty pissed off right now. If
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: me twenty five hours after the game, you know, thirty
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: hours after the game, if I'm pissed off, I'm just
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: a dude in your basement. He's got to be super
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: pissed off, and his job's on the line because every
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: head coach's job is on the line every week. I'm
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: not saying Kevin O'Connell's on the hot seat right now,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: that'd be crazy, but yeah, I could definitely see the
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: last fifteen minutes of me just screaming into the void.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Here is why I agree with you. He's mad and
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: he's pissed off. And when jud Zolgad in a press
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: conference a few days ago, says, hey, what's the state
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: of the quarterback situation? And that's why Kevin O'Connell snips
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: back and he says the state is the same as
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: it was yesterday when I said this, this and this, like, yep,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: that's tensions get high and they're three and three. They're
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: not the Dolphins right now. Have you seen Mike McDaniel's
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: press conferences lately. He looks like he's drugged out. I'm
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: not saying he is, but he looks like he can't
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: put a sentence together. He is gonna get fired.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: He's got a history of alcohol too.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I don't want to put that out there.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: But yeah, we don't need to speculate on that, especially
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: while we're sitting here drink here. But I think Kevin
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: O'Connell will rally. I think he'll be okay. I think
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: he's still the coach long term for this team. I
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: think he's the guy we want. Oh yeah yeah. But
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I think the big question right now, and I think
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: this can maybe be one of our final talking points
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: here as we kind of wind down. What are they
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: gonna do at quarterback? What's the game plan here? If
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: you're the head coach or if you're the GM, what
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: do you do well?
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: We've said it a lot. You put yourself in a
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: situation good or bad. Usually for teams bad, but sometimes
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: it works out. You put yourself in a situation when
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: you draft a guy in the first round, in the
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: top ten, higher than your team has ever drafted a
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: quarterback before, in a draft with other quarterbacks who all
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: of them are looking good. Caleb Williams looks good. Jayden
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Daniels injury, Yeah, he looks good, looks good. Caleb Williams
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: didn't look great last year, but he looks like there's
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: flashes there. Jadan Daniels definitely. I think he was Rookie
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: of the Year last year. He's amazing and he's been
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: a little banged up this year, but there's still the
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: bones are there for him to look good. Drake May
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: his last few weeks this year have been incredible now
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: that he's got an actual head coach, not converted linebacker.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Bo Nicks led my goodness, incredible comeback against the Who
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: did who was that against the Giants? The Giants?
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and bo Nicks didn't he make the Pro Bowl
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: last year? Like, he's looking amazing, And he was the
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: one that I was sitting there like, oh crap, I
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: don't want the Vikings to get bon Nicks. He's terrible.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: He's looking good. Michael Pennix is definitely he is definitely
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: a starter in the league.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: He took the starting job away from Kirk Cousins.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's supplanted a guy and his team paid
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: two hundred million dollars or one hundred and eighty million
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: dollars for So everybody in that draft class is looking good.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Plus you've got guys from this draft class that are
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: starting to look good. Kim Word, his coach already got fired.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard anything about him. Jackson Dart he's a
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: first rounder from twenty twenty five. Yeah, he just got
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: beat by bow Knicks, but he's been there's something there
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: with him too. He's he's got some They found something
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: with him. So you get all these young quarterbacks that
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: are looking good you can't even get on the field.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: So what are the Vikings doing with JJ? Is he
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: actually injured? I think he is, but I think they're
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: being overly cautious with him. He hasn't looked good when
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: he played for two games. The Bears are better than
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: we thought they were, and the Falcons also are better
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: than we thought they were, and those are the only
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: games he's played in. I think the coaches are being
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: too cautious with him. But other than JJ, there are
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: only other options are Carson Wentz, who throws for three
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: hundred yards but also gives you reasons to lose the game,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: mediocre the best, which we yeah, exactly, and then once
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: you sit bench for Brozemer, that's kind of like a
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: you can't go back from that. Yeah, So they haven't
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: done that outside of Brozemer came in at halftime of
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: the Bengals game because, you know, just to kneel it down,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: or was it the Browns game because Carson banged up
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: his shoulder. Brozemer has been in for a few Oh,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: he got like the whole fourth quarter against the Bengals,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: but like through four passes, like he he hasn't gotten
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: a shot. So I think because once you throw JJ
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: McCarthy back out there and you say, yep, he's back,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: he's healthy, he's good to.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Go, he got to be all in on that decision.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: You can't go back unless you're giving up on him.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: You have to be all in, like you just said.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: If you bench JJ McCarthy now, then it's like, oh hey,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: if he has two bad games, if he plays against
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: the Chargers and the Lions and he looks terrible or
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: the Lions and then whoever else the Vikings are playing
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: after that and he looks terrible, then it's like then
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: he gets benched for wins. It's like, oh, hey, obviously
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: the Vikings saw what they didn't want to see and
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: they're moving on, and who are they going to draft
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: in the first round of the draft this year? And man,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: that what a terrible decision that set the team back
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: two years, you know, five years whatever. I think the
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Vikings this week against the Chargers are going to start
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Wentz because it's they can still hide behind the injury
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: of JJ McCarthy, legitimate or not, and Wentz just through
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: for three hundred yards. Yeah, he was the reason you
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: lost against the Eagles. He was half the reason you
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: lost against the Eagles, and then the defense was the
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: other part. But I think they should start Brosmer if
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: they're not going to start JJ.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's kind of this catch twenty two.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: I think where I'm at now, and I've kind of
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: changed in my opinion on this because a few weeks ago,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I was Wentz, he's winning last.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Week and you had a legitimate argument.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he won a game, He's won a
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: few games, you know, like he's he's not a terrible quarterback.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: And to your point, he's, you know, statistically speaking, a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: solid starting quarterback in the NFL. Is he the best? No?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: But is he the worst? No? He's not too Atakovailoa,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: he's not turning the ball over left and right. He
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: did turn the ball over.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: A few times, not as much as two of thom.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Not as much as others. And I was pounding the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: table like, no, we have this win now team and
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: when we get healthy, holy cow, look out, we want
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: we want this veteran guy who's steady, who can just
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: manage the offense. That's not we don't need this flashy,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: new young toy, you know, we want that steady and
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: that's what Kevin O'Connell and I've kind of flipped, especially
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: after watching this last game against the Eagles. I don't
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: think Carson Wentz is the guy, and I don't want
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: to sit and watch these mediocre games, these one score
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: games that come down to can he make the plays
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: or not, and it's clear that he can't. I would
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: rather watch the team go seven and ten again, or
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: six and eleven or whatever it is, and see J
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: McCarthy develop. And if the first couple of games are rough,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: so be it. You got two road trips coming up.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: You're going to LA and then you're going to Detroit
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: before you come back for two home games. I don't know.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: I wonder if if JJ's healthy, he's had more time
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: than Carson Wentz to get healthy at.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: This Oh yeah, he's been afforded at that time.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: He's not been out there like Wentz has. You know,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: if he's ninety five percent and Wentz is ninety two percent,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: I think you put JJ McCarthy out there, and I
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: think the rest of your season if you make that
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: decision has to be development, and you might put the
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: white flag up and you might be like, well, we're
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: probably not a playoff team at this point.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, they're not right now.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: They're certainly not right now, and not with Wentz. A
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: three to three record at this point will not magically
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: turn into a fourteen and three record at the end
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: of the season. We can I think we can all
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: guarantee that, especially with the onslaught of at the Chargers,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: at the Lions, the Ravens. I'm worried about that Ravens
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: game at home, coming off a two game road stretch.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the Ravens record will be, but
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I know the Ravens are pissed off.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: They're better than their record, and.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: They want to win some games and they want to
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: prove that they can hold their own in the AFC North.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: And they're going to come to US Bank Stadium in
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Week ten with something to prove. And then you've got
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: the Bears, who are this upstart for wins in a
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: row team, and then you go to Green Bay, then
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: you go to Seattle and play like it's just this
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: never ending onslaught. The Commanders are good, the Cowboys have
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: looked decent.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: This is back Dak's best year. I don't know statistically,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: it might not be true, but it's definitely true via
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: the eye test. Yeah.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, So we're we are in the toughest part of
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: the schedule. The easiest part of the schedule was before
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: the bye week and it's long gone, and we went
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: three and three in that stretch. So I think you
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: call this beatas bade you and the keys over to
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: JJ and you say, don't make these like terrible, unforgivable mistakes.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: But if you make a mistake here or there, the
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: little ones all good. We'll go over him and film,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: we'll learn from him. We'll pick ourselves up, and we'll
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: go out and we'll live to fight another day.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and I think that I agree. But I
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: think if they're still going to be stubborn about the
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: injury situation, which again I'm I'm not there. All I
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: can actually know is like, hey, they're saying he's injured,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: so he's got to be too injured to play. He
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: was healthy enough to dress, he was inactive, but he
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: was dressed as the emergency quarterback against the the Eagles.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: But I think if they're not going to start JJ McCarthy.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: They know what they have in Wentz right now, and
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: they need to put him at quarterback too, and put
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Max Brozmer in because at this point you're proving to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: yourself you know what you have, you're gonna get, you know,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: five hundred ball from Carson Wentz right now. It's not
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: like the rest of the team is the reason why
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: they lost. He made terrible decisions and made contributions to
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: that loss against the Eagles. If you're not gonna start JJ,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: then there's no risk in throwing in Max Brosmer because
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: if Brosmer is terrible, then okay, hey we're going back
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: to Carson until JJ's healthy. And then the job threatening
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: thing is if JJ's not good, and that's why they're
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: not playing him. But yeah, I think Brosmer all he's
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: ever done. He was the camp arm that turned into
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: Holy Cow. He's good enough to make the team. Well
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: now he needs to be good enough to see what
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: you got in him. If you're not confident in your
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: QB one, do you.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Think some of the hype behind Brosmer is just the
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: like the hometown and he was a Gopher, He played
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: down the street in his college days. And there's just
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of like hometown love for him or is
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: it legit like he's actually a good quarterback because I
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: watched some of the preseason, I watched him play and
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: I didn't see anything bad. But I also didn't see
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: anything that I was like super blown away with either.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: He played pretty well in the play I will say.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, NFL teams don't make decisions the way the
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: fans would. There's a reason we constantly say like we'd
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: be terrible GMS, because we would be the GM that's like, Hey,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: that Gopher kid, he's not terrible. Make the team. NFL
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: teams their their roster spots are valuable, Like we've seen
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: the Vikings recently in many years only have two quarterbacks.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: If they put Max Brosmer and undrafted, they had no
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: reason that they had to keep him if they put
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: him on the final fifty three and didn't try to
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: sneak him on the practice squad, because if they didn't,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: if it was just that feel good, fuzzy story, they'd
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: be like, all right, we're cutting you, but hey, if
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: nobody picks you up, you're on our practice squad. That'd
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: be the fuzzy, feel good story. They didn't cut him
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: because they didn't want to lose him. Now, obviously they
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: don't think he's the next one hundred million dollars two
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: hundred million dollar quarterback. Otherwise they would have pulled Carson
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: Wentz because they definitely don't have any He's on a
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: one year deal. He's not going to be a Viking
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: in twelve months. Definitely, Brozemer could he could be the
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: QB two of the future. He could come out of
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: nowhere and be the Brock Party of the future. You
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: never know, but I think teams.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Be the Tom Brady, it could be the Patrick Mahomes.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: You never know.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: There's so many stories like that that have developed where
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: these guys were the backups and then the starter either
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: gets hurt or gets traded or whatever, and then boom,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: here they are and they are the stuff. Yep.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: But as much as we've seen Quac, it feels like we,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: like Vikings, Twitter bullies him into making decisions like hey
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: sign Dalton Ryser do it?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Do I do it?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: And they finally sign him, or there's there's been a
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: few like oh, hey we bullied, we bullied him into
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: doing stuff Like I don't think Brosmer is a Viking
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: because of the feel good, fuzzy story.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: That's fair.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: You could make the case that Adam Thilan is a
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: Viking right now because of that, but that's neither here
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: nor there.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: I think truthfully, I don't even really care about that. Like,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: the dude took a pay cut to come here. He
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: obviously wanted to be a Viking. Let the man be
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: a Viking, like I have his jersey.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah I'm not.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: And if he catches one ball every game for the
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: rest of his career, great, awesome.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I and we kind of said that when
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: he signed, like I would have been happy with a
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: one day contract, you know, at the end of his career.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm not complaining about Adam thealin. He's not
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: doing anything for the team, but he's also theoretically it's
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: not like he's getting paid twenty million dollars right now.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Let's just answer the question. Evan JJ McCarthy, Carson Wentz,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Max Brosmer against the Chargers, I'll ask you two questions
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: against the Chargers, who do you think should be QB One,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: who should start? And then, knowing just everything we know
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: right now about health and everything else, after that, against
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: the Lions. Who should start? So who should be QB
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: one in those two games?
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: I think I'm completely flipped from where I've been, and
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: I think it's just it's got to be JJ McCarthy indefinitely.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: If he's ninety percent or better, it's got to be
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: him for the purpose of development. And again, if it's
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: a five win season, six win season, seven win season,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: so be it. And again I think KOC will get
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: the pass. Like you said earlier about the seven and ten,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins goes down with the Achilles, it won't be
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: his fault, so to speak. If the Vikings finish with
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: the losing record, don't make the playoffs, and finish, you know,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: last in the NFC North, it won't be his fault
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: if he makes that decision and just sticks with it,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: especially if JJ McCarthy develops and shows some promise. Caleb
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Williams did that last year, right well.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: He also Caleb had that excuse where his coaches got fired.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: True, but he also wasn't playing great at times, but
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: he also was showing flashes of being good, and right
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: now JJ has at least one flash of being good.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: It was the end of the Bears game where he
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: had the famous quote of where else would you rather be?
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: And then he just all he did was go out
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: and led the Vikings to a victory on Monday Night
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Football in Week one, So we know he's got it
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: in him. I think it just needs to be developed
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: out of him, you know, like I think. And it's
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: not the good things that need to be developed out
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: of him, it's the bad things that need to be
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: developed out of him in order for the good things
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: to shine. Sure, So that's where I'm at. Let's just
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: roll with JJ. I've seen enough of Carson Wentz. I'm
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: over it now. I was really high on him for
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: a few weeks and he proved enough to me this
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: week that would say, Nope, I'm good. Don't mean to
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: see him take another snap for the Vikings.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: I agree. I think JJ should be the starter from
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: here on out, including the Chargers game. However, I'm realistic
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: enough to know that, hey, they're being stubborn about this
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: injury thing and they're not gonna put him out there
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: until Koc is one thousand percent sure he's one healthy
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: and two ready, whatever that means. But I will say
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: it should be JJ every game for the rest of
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: the season, But if they're gonna be stubborn, it can't
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: be wins anymore. It has to be Brozmer and then
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: JJ because during the Lions game, I don't care. I
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: don't care how severe his injury was. There's no excuse
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: to be out that long. It's a sprain and I've
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: heard oh ankle breaks are easier to come back from
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: timeline wise then high ankle spring and I don't care.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: I just don't. You're a football player, go out and
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: play and get the shot, do whatever. Tape it up, yeah,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: man up and go play. And yes, I recognize I'm
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: a thirty four year old least athletic person in the
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: state of Iowa.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Like I know I'm not, you're not the least.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, but still I know what I'm saying and I
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: know how it sounds. But still, you're supposed to be
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: an NFL starting quarterback. It should be one of those
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: things you hear stories about, like these great NFL players, like,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: I don't care if my arm's broken, tape it up,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going out there. Like I know it's not that
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: simple and that's too macho or whatever. But at some point,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: if he's not starting against the Lions. Then I'm done
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: with him, like I'm done with the season. The decision
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: makers unless they come out and say, yeah, we didn't
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: tell anybody, but he had cancer like that, that would
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: be about the only reason I'd be like, okay, yeah, and.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: That would be pretty extreme. Yeah, And I feel like
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: at this point we would have heard.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Something yeah about no, I that's extreme, But for me,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: it's JJ all the way. And if not, if he's
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: still not healthy enough, then it's got to be brosm.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: You kind of roll the dice with Broseman because.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: The season's lost with Wentz anyways. Yep, he's showed you
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: that it's lost. Anyways. He can't he can't beat anybody.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: And I think you know your your guys in the
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: locker room, we hear the most from Justin Jefferson because
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: he draws the most attention, but like he will continue
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: to be the consonant professional and just say, well, yep,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: he's throwing me the ball. So and I think the
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: concerning thing for Justin Jefferson and I think eventually we'll
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: see him say something if they stick with Wentz. He
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: only has one touchdown on the season, Yeah in Week one. Yeah,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: like he hasn't caught a touchdown past since Week one.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: That's concerning for one of the best wide receivers in football.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: And I think almost every ball we saw thrown his
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: way against the Eagles was wildly out of reach. And
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: we just kept reiterating to each other in your basement
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: when we were watching the game, like you don't have
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: to put the ball too far away from Justin Jefferson.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: He's gonna catch it.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: He's gonna catch it. But those balls were just like
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: they were sword over his head. There's no chance.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you said at one point, like, that's a catch
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: if Dnald threw it, that's a catch if Kirk threw it,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: And I was like, think about the Bills catch the
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: most you know, famous catch of Justin Jefferson's career so far,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: where he caught that crazy ball against on fourth and
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: seven or something that wasn't a good ball, Justin Jefferson
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: caught it. He can catch not good balls. So yeah,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: I totally agree with you. All right. I think we've
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: to this point beat the quarterback talker down. I think
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: we either want brozmuror JJ hopefully JJ. But I if
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: I'm betting any money against on who's gonna be the
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: Vikings quarterback against the Chargers for whatever reason. I just
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: have no confidence the Viking's gonna throw JJ out there,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: So it's got to be either Jj or Brosner. How
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: crazy is it that it's when they go to LA
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: and play the Chargers. It will have been basically exactly
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: one year after they traveled to LA and played the
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: LA team on Thursday Night Football. Last year it was
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: the famous phantom face mask non called face mask against
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: the Rams that the Vikings lost on Thursday Night Football.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I don't like the Vikings schedule this year. No,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: it's rough, yeah, and I know there are certain things
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: that they can't control, Like obviously you're gonna play everybody
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: in the division twice, and then there are the divisions
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: that your division plays, and you play everybody in that
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: division once, so like, there are certain teams that you're
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: just not gonna avoid. But I think it's less about
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: who the Vikings play and kind of win those games
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: are scheduled. The two back to back Europe games, we
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: saw that and we talked about that that I hope.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: We never see that again.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: That weighed heavily on this Vikings team. And I think
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: KOC is still recovering from that. And then like you
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: you get the bye week, but then you come out
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: and you play or really you play the defending Super
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Bowl champs, albeit at home. Uh, and then you go
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: on a short week and play on the West Coast.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Like that's that's that's like almost a death sentence right there. Yeah,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: in terms of NFL, NFL scheduling, especially for a Midwest
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: team that really struggles on the West Coast. And I
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: know the NFL schedule makers are gonna be like, well,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: let me just make schedules this it doesn't matter to us.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: But it was the same story last year.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: They came off the bye to play.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Three away games. Right well, they off.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: The bye to play against the Lions, who were not
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: the defending champs, but they were. They had made the
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: NFC Championship Game a really good postseason qualifier. The previous
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: year they lost a close game, a one score game
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: to that team, and then Boom had to travel to
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: LA and play against I would say this year's Chargers
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: are on par with at this point last year's Rams.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: A good team and it's just Kevin O'Connell's got to
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: be having some flashbacks here, because yeah, it's the same
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: story and the only differences are one of the biggest differences.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: Your quarterback is not somebody that you have confidence in. Yep,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: so keep going, you're not.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: I think we were going in the same direction. I
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: think we need to wrap this up. Final prediction for
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: the Chargers Vikings game.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: You can see mine, I can see yours here. I
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: think the Vikings this season is slipping and it's gonna
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: be a while before there's really any hope. I haven't
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: sounded probably like somebody who has a lot of confidence
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: in the team right now. Definitely think the Vikings are
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: gonna lose to the Chargers. I think it's gonna be
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: a tough loss. I think it's one that people are
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: gonna get pissed about. There could be after this game,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: like not Kevin O'Connell, but coaching decisions made. I don't know.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: It's the time that you make desperation. And I don't
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: know if Wes Phillips, maybe he's firmly seeded in. Maybe
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell is totally ingrained in him, and I don't
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: know enough about.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like Philips because so has such a stranglehold
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: on the offense.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: But that could just be and I agree, but that
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: could just be like a fan perspective, like maybe Kosi
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: is like I couldn't do anything without that guy. Like
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think the Vikings is gonna
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: get beat down. Chargers are gonna win thirty one to
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: ten something like that, and it's just gonna be a
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: rough mini buy Vikings fans and Vikings players and everybody.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be. This season's gonna be one that Kevin
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: O'Connell looks back on and just has a lot of
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: regrets and a lot of what ifs, and it's just
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: gonna be tough for us to watch.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's closer than that. I don't think it's
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: a blowout. I don't think it's a thirty one to ten.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: I think koc He does a really good job of
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: motivating men to play football, and I think he's gonna
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: do that on a short week. I think he's gonna
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: rally the guys and they're gonna play with some intensity,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna score some points. I think
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: one of the touchdowns that they will score, and they
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: will score several touchdowns, but one of the touchdowns the
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: Vikings will score will be a defensive touchdown. I think
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: the defense finds their way in the end zone. But
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: I still think the Vikings lose this game, not because
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: they didn't try, not because they've just given up. I
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: think it's close. I think it's a one score game.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: I think Vikings lose twenty four to twenty one.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Which is not good because our preseason picks for the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: Purple Punishments we both predicted a Vikings win, so we
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: might be spinning the wheel next week. I will say
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: hot take for me, I expect Carson Wentz to start,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: as much as I say he shouldn't. I think Brozemer
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: should start if JJ's still quote unquote injured enough. But
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: if Carson Wentz starts this game, my hot take is
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: that he will not finish this game. Interesting because he'll
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: be benched, because you can't put that out too many
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: times before you finally get benched, especially when you're not
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: the tenth that we're all pick. Another hot take is
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: that JJ McCarthy will start against the Lions following and that's.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: A scary thought because the Lions looked like they could
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: do no wrong. Yeah, I think Jared Goff did throw
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: an interception against the Buckston. But there was a moment
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: in that game that I was watching before you came
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: over tonight, where it just seemed like the Lions could
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: not do anything wrong. It was just touchdown and then
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: another touchdown, and then the Bucks turned the ball over
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: and Mike Evans went out with a concussion and a
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: shoulder injury, and Baker Mayfield's just kind of standing there like, now,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do? And then the next
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: drive he came out and through an interception I think,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: and or no, I think it was a fumble. Anyways,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. The Lions just looked unstoppable tonight. And
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: that's concerning as well for all of the NFC Norse
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: because they were a good team last year. We know
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: they're still a good team. I think we all thought
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: they would maybe kind of take a dip this year, but.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: I really did. I really thought they'd be done.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: They've proven they're not dipping. They are. To take a
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: line from How I Met your mother, they're straight ducking
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: All right, man? What'd you think of this? What old
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: tavern from from Confluence?
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: I thought it was really good.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're out.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: It's gone. I don't have any more.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: I've tried.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: I've tried to leave a sip here, super easy drinking,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: like just right square in the middle of what you'd
• 1:24:16
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• 1:24:21
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• 1:24:23
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• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: bud light versions of you know, light Laggers from Iowa breweries,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: and I've said it about each one that we've had before.
• 1:24:33
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• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: is it's the same style. It's not a trillion times
• 1:24:40
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• 1:24:43
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• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: It's really good. I've had to try to leave the
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: last sip there for our intro here, but yeah, super
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: good beer. Thank you for confluence for making such a good.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: Beer, and I failed miserably.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
• 1:24:58
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• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: We don't we don't have to leave that last tip.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: I don't feel bad about it all right.
• 1:25:04
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• 1:25:07
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• 1:25:07
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• 1:25:11
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• 1:25:13
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• 1:25:16
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• 1:25:19
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• 1:25:22
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• 1:25:32
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• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: Right, man, real good. This was a really good episode,
• 1:25:38
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• 1:25:40
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• 1:26:09
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• 1:26:15
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• 1:26:21
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