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4/7/26: Trump Journo Jail Threat Backfires, US Low On Interceptors, Tucker Turns On Trump · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump, at his press conference yesterday, said he is
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Speaker 3: on the manhunt soccer and I are going to help
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Speaker 3: the brother out. Let's roll Trump here.
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Speaker 4: As you probably know, we didn't talk about the first
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Speaker 4: one for an hour. Then somebody leaked something which will
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Speaker 4: hopefully find that leaker. We're looking very hard to find
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Speaker 4: that leaker, and talked about there's somebody missing. They basically
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Speaker 4: said that we have one in this showbody missing. Well,
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Speaker 4: they didn't know there was somebody missing until this leaker
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Speaker 4: gave the information. So whoever it was, we think we'll
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Speaker 4: be able to find it out because we're going to
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Speaker 4: go to the media company that released it and we're
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Speaker 4: going to say national security, give it up or go
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Speaker 4: to jail, and we know who, and you know who
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Speaker 4: we're talking about, because some things you can't do. Because
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Speaker 4: when they did that, all of a sudden, the entire
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Speaker 4: country of Iran knew that there was a pilot that
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Speaker 4: was somewhere on their land that was fighting for his life.
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Speaker 4: And it also made it much more difficult for the
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Speaker 4: pilots and for the people going in to search for him.
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Speaker 4: All of a sudden, they know that there's somebody out there.
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Speaker 4: They see all these planes coming in. It became a
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Speaker 4: much more difficult operation because a leaker leaked that we
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Speaker 4: have one, we've rescued one, but there's another one out
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Speaker 4: there that would trying.
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Speaker 3: To get So, first of all, none of that makes sense.
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Speaker 3: But let's just pretend for the sake of Trump's argument,
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Speaker 3: because he is, after all, the president of the United States,
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Speaker 3: that what he's saying is serious and makes some sense. Again,
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Speaker 3: so suspend your disbelieve, your normal disbelief of this guy.
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Speaker 3: All right, So, according to Trump, the people who reported
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Speaker 3: first that there's a you know, one pilot has been rescued,
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Speaker 3: but there's another pilot out there that they put the
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Speaker 3: entire operation at risk because it alerted their Irundians to
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Speaker 3: the fact that they're alive and made it put then
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Speaker 3: hundreds of American service members at risk. Let's pretend that
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Speaker 3: that's true and that Trump is serious about hunting down
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Speaker 3: the leaker. As patriotic Americans, Sager and I went on
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Speaker 3: the hunt. Yes, did not take us long to find
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Speaker 3: the leaker.
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Speaker 1: We didn't. We found him. You found him. You found
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Speaker 1: him almost Meily, who is he?
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Speaker 3: His name is? I meet Siegel?
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Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 3: Put him this next element on the screen. An Israeli
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Speaker 3: journalist flagged for me almost immediately. They're like, hey, guess
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Speaker 3: what his names? I meet. He's a very famous He's
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Speaker 3: a famous Israeli journal He's known for his direct proximity
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Speaker 3: to Netnyah, who's office. That's kind of how he That's
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Speaker 3: that's just in Israel. Like, that's not an insult, it's
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Speaker 3: just it's a compliment. You know.
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Speaker 1: He's like the Barock Revit of Israel.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's and people assume that, unless otherwise explained,
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Speaker 3: his source on things is Neta.
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Speaker 1: And we've quoted him many times on the show, as
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Speaker 1: you said, specifically to give you into the Israeli government.
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Speaker 3: So he has a telegram channel and he was live
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Speaker 3: tweeting whatever you want to call it on his telegram
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Speaker 3: English language telegram channel while Trump was doing his press conference,
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Speaker 3: and he writes, so he writes, Trump quote Trump, Colin,
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Speaker 3: we didn't talk about the first one. We rescued. And
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Speaker 3: then someone leaked something about the navigator. We're going to
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Speaker 3: find whoever leaked it, whoever it is, we'll manage to
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Speaker 3: track them down through the network that published it. We'll ask,
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Speaker 3: we'll ask for the leaker. We'll say it's national security
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Speaker 3: and therefore it couldn't end up in prison. And then
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Speaker 3: Siegel adds, as you may recall, this was first published here,
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Speaker 3: which Israeli journals had been reaching out saying, hey, but
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Speaker 3: it was a meat seagle by the way that first
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Speaker 3: published this. And so I was going around looking for
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Speaker 3: evidence that he was the first one to publish it,
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Speaker 3: and then he just tweeted it out himself, like he
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Speaker 3: just comes out and says, yeah, actually, uh, it was
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Speaker 3: it was me. I was the one who did this.
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Speaker 3: So that we go to the White House. Yeah, we
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Speaker 3: can put up c three comments. So hey White House, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: we're like, uh, I might have found your guys. Name
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Speaker 3: is a Meat Siegel And they say on background, an
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Speaker 3: investigation is underway. It's such a funny.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and investigation is underway now. To be fair to
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Speaker 1: I mean, here's what he says after all of this broke.
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Speaker 1: He says, we Newsweek first post in New York posts
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Speaker 1: of all point finger at me. While appreciate the attention,
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Speaker 1: I fear it's undeserved. I was not the first journalist
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Speaker 1: to report that the pilot was so then why'd you
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Speaker 1: live norre than he was injured. I suppose the accusations
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Speaker 1: are a testament to my timely reporting. But the fact
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Speaker 1: is the Guardian and two Israeli channels broke the story
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Speaker 1: before I did. I imagine, is really journalists in dangerous
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Speaker 1: American pilot makes a better headline. And then he says,
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Speaker 1: if you're looking for cutting edge news that doesn't breach
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Speaker 1: national security, subscribe to my telegram. So he is now
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Speaker 1: backtracking the initial claim he made on his telegram and says,
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Speaker 1: actually it was the Guardian and two other Israeli channels
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Speaker 1: that broke it. Nobody has been able to effectively say
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Speaker 1: for sure who the first person broke it. What seems
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Speaker 1: obvious is that it's not just the Israelis that broke it,
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Speaker 1: that multiple channels across the world. It is also a
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Speaker 1: little bit absurd because let's put C four up there
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Speaker 1: on the screen. The Iranians are the people who actually
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Speaker 1: were also quote leaking it, because they shot the plane down,
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Speaker 1: and I mean they were boasting about it obviously, as
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Speaker 1: they did to Jeremy in the immediate aftermath. They said
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Speaker 1: in Iranian if.
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Speaker 3: Three am, many hours before the secret.
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Speaker 1: Three nine am, So yeah, maybe it's Jeremy. Maybe they
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Speaker 1: should ask you, Jeremy, for leaking it from from the Iranians.
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Speaker 1: So they say that because the nature of the strike,
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Speaker 1: the pilot could not evacuate intense fire the scene, no
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Speaker 1: remains of you have been found. Their conflicting reports on
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Speaker 1: whether any military personnel may have successfully evacuated before it
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Speaker 1: went down. There's military helicopter activity reported in the area,
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Speaker 1: conducting on what appears to be a search.
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Speaker 3: And so this is interesting. So to give Trump some credit,
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Speaker 3: what he's saying here, or what he's trying to say,
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Speaker 3: is that maybe the Iranians thought that they both died
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Speaker 3: and so that so there's some support for that. In
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Speaker 3: Jeremy's first tweet, which is which he sources to an
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Speaker 3: Iranian official, the official said that because of the nature
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Speaker 3: of the strike, the pilot could not evacuate before crashing,
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Speaker 3: and so what he's saying, what Trump is saying, is
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Speaker 3: that they initially thought there was one pilot uh, and
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Speaker 3: he was killed, and so therefore American and Israeli reporters
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Speaker 3: who later said there were two and one had been
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Speaker 3: found and the other was being looked for, put them
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Speaker 3: at risk. Now, yes, a meet I don't actually think
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Speaker 3: was even the first, even though he claimed he was UH.
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Speaker 3: And as soon as people understood that it was a
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Speaker 3: F fifteen E, they know that there's two people in
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Speaker 3: that right, anybody with access to Wikipedia knew there were two.
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Speaker 3: And also the idea that Iran would be like, well,
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Speaker 3: looks like we got him, let's just let's move on
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Speaker 3: about our day, and wouldn't like hunt that is also absurd,
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Speaker 3: So that the whole thing is absurd. However, it is
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Speaker 3: just utterly comical that it does appear that the first
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Speaker 3: leaking came through the Israeli media, Like we.
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Speaker 1: Said, Yeah, the Israeli media as a mean acknowledged appears
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Speaker 1: to have been some of the first people to report it.
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Speaker 1: A Meat himself took credit for it.
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Speaker 3: There's another aerial Aerial Kahana.
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Speaker 1: Right, So can you want to explain that it was
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Speaker 1: another Israeli journalist who also either took credit for it
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Speaker 1: or seemed to be very very early in his reporting
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Speaker 1: of the story.
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Speaker 3: And put Ariel Kahana's Hebrew language telegram post here. This
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Speaker 3: is that kind of famous image of the ejector scene
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Speaker 3: of the ejector seeds. Yeah, and this is but all
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Speaker 3: all Aerial Khanic reports in this And you guys can
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Speaker 3: try to translate this or you can just go find
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Speaker 3: and translate it. All he's basically saying there is that
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Speaker 3: you know, there's been a doubting He doesn't really give
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Speaker 3: away any information that wouldn't be also available on Wikipedia.
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Speaker 3: But he also very clearly is citing Israeli sources. Yes,
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Speaker 3: and so if you if you take Trump seriously and
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Speaker 3: you want to know where the original leaks came from,
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Speaker 3: they came from Israeli sources. But the Americans were leaking
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Speaker 3: it as soon as they found the guy to like,
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Speaker 3: so the whole the whole thing is ridiculous. However, look, man,
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Speaker 3: we don't make the rules.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, we are not Israeli is really law I
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Speaker 1: checked it makes clear that a journalist must report his
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Speaker 1: source if it's deemed a national security crisis. I opposed
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Speaker 1: that law in my own country. However, you know I'm
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Speaker 1: not Israel. We you have to respect Israeli law. How
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Speaker 1: many times have we been told.
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Speaker 3: That Trump Trump going to completely this will be.
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Speaker 1: Totally memory hold, You will never hear about it again
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Speaker 1: after it turns out that it was very like again,
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Speaker 1: it's not we're not saying it was Amitzegal, but we
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Speaker 1: are definitely saying that it was. It looks like Israeli
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Speaker 1: media were some of the very first to report it,
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Speaker 1: and so we encourage this leak investigation wherever it may
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Speaker 1: lead us, and in fact, it may even lead us
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Speaker 1: to the Israeli Ministry of Defense, which that was an
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Speaker 1: entire memory hold part of this story is initially the
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Speaker 1: Times of Israel reported The Times of Israel reported that
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Speaker 1: it appears that it came from these sources within the
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Speaker 1: Israeli Ministry of Defense. That was tweeted out. Then they
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Speaker 1: removed that Miranda Devine, a New York Post reporter, is
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Speaker 1: that right? So near Posts reporter was like she tweeted that.
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Speaker 1: She was like, oh my god, I can't believe this.
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Speaker 1: So then they immediately deleted that part of the story
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Speaker 1: and they updated their story to say, we erroneously reported
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Speaker 1: that this.
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Speaker 3: Did we say did we say it is really?
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Speaker 1: We erroneously reported that it was an Israelis after the
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Speaker 1: Israeli Ministry of defenss, oh, it wasn't us. So you
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Speaker 1: take that what you will.
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Speaker 3: So either I don't know where.
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Speaker 1: That erroneous report came so from that would be interesting.
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Speaker 1: Should they explain that, Yeah, they should about how far
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Speaker 1: erroneously told you?
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Speaker 3: So either the Times of Israel is saying that they
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Speaker 3: completely made up a source right and published something fake,
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Speaker 3: or they actually did have a source and are now
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Speaker 3: lying because Trump is angry at them. I have a
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Speaker 3: lot of respect for their integrity. So I think they
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Speaker 3: did not fabricate a source. I think they had a
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Speaker 3: real source. And now they're like, oh, we didn't realize
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Speaker 3: that we were going to get in trouble for that,
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Speaker 3: so never mind.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's go to the interceptors. Shall we.
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Speaker 3: The US is reaching the limits of its physical military
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Speaker 3: capacity as it enters into what the seventh week or
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Speaker 3: something of this US is really conflict with Iran. We
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Speaker 3: can put up this Bloomberg article US deploys bulk of
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Speaker 3: stealthy long range missiles for Iran war. To put this
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Speaker 3: into some context here, you know, we had two carrier
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Speaker 3: groups that were in the region, one of them because
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Speaker 3: of what they said as a result of a laundry fire,
11:21
Speaker 3: but you know, I think, more accurately, as a result
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Speaker 3: of just being deployed for too long. You know, this
11:27
Speaker 3: is the jelled Ford was sent to, you know, down
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Speaker 3: to Venezuela to carry out the operation there against Madoro
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Speaker 3: and then was they were told they were going home
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Speaker 3: right after that. Instead they steamed across the ocean, headed
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Speaker 3: over close to Iran to take part in that along
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Speaker 3: with the Lincoln Aircraft carrier group. At the same time,
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Speaker 3: the US has been using an extraordinary amount of its
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Speaker 3: kind of of its resources to defend against Iranian attacks,
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Speaker 3: particularly against Israel, but also against the rest of the
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Speaker 3: golf countries. The golf country is upset saying that Israel
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Speaker 3: gets greater priority and also they get they have access
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Speaker 3: to that, and the Patriot all these other things. US
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Speaker 3: pulling assets out of Asia to bring them over to
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Speaker 3: the region, the US also getting the carrier groups and others,
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Speaker 3: and the bases are getting emptied out by irun An
12:23
Speaker 3: attacks on the golf bases, which means that you then
12:27
Speaker 3: have to fly further. Spain, followed by Italy, now followed
12:31
Speaker 3: by the UK, have said forget it. You're not using
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Speaker 3: our territory to flyover. You're not using our bases to
12:37
Speaker 3: launch attacks on civilian infrastructure. That stretches the US thinner.
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Speaker 3: The recognition that the claim of one air superiority turned
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Speaker 3: out to be false also changes the equation, because now
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Speaker 3: you can't use your more conventional bombing aircraft. You have
12:57
Speaker 3: to send in you know, you have to send an
13:00
Speaker 3: F thirty fives an F thirty five guests clip. Now
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Speaker 3: that means you have to take a lot more care
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Speaker 3: around what you can do. Then you have to rely
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Speaker 3: a lot more on tomahawks. Only have so many tomahawks,
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Speaker 3: you know that, not like how many tomahawks do we
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Speaker 3: make a year?
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Speaker 1: Out of dozen, well, we ordered fifty seven as of
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Speaker 1: last year, we've used eight hundred so far right, So yeah,
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a problem though, so update on
13:24
Speaker 1: that act. We don't even have this in the story.
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Speaker 1: I know, only just happened yesterday. The Japanese press reported
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Speaker 1: yesterday that they had a huge order of Tomahawk missiles, which,
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Speaker 1: by the way, they did because we asked them to,
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Speaker 1: because we were like, hey, you need to buy some.
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Speaker 1: They're like okay, so they did, and we just went
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Speaker 1: to them yesterday and they're like, yeah, just so you know,
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Speaker 1: that's not going to be fulfilled even though you've paid
13:43
Speaker 1: for it already, and we will be taking the Tomahawks,
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Speaker 1: this very same missiles which we wanted them to buy
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Speaker 1: to for some deterrence effect in China and also against
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Speaker 1: North Korea. Just just oh yeah, and we're keeping the money.
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Speaker 1: You'll eventually get your missiles maybe ish, yeah, exactly. I
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Speaker 1: mean that one kind of a disaster. The same thing
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Speaker 1: with the UAE, by the way, with many interceptors South
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Speaker 1: Korea is a similar problem. This is really.
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Speaker 3: Bad and a bunch of weapons that were intended for Ukraine. Yep,
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Speaker 3: the US set actually you know what we're gonna We're
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Speaker 3: gonna go ahead and take those and Europeans like, wait,
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Speaker 3: didn't we pay for those?
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Speaker 1: We like, yeah, you know what, right, you'll get it eventually.
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Speaker 3: What is property and money really? You know when it's
14:25
Speaker 3: when you're a hedge, im on, Well, we're just gonna
14:27
Speaker 3: go ahead and borrow these. And so one piece of
14:31
Speaker 3: evidence of like how stretched in things are, you can
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Speaker 3: put up D two here C. Seventeen's just like like
14:38
Speaker 3: a giant ant march, you know, up the Eastern seaboard,
14:41
Speaker 3: over over toward the theater there, put up D put
14:47
Speaker 3: up D three as well. This looks at tungsten in particular.
14:51
Speaker 3: The headline, if you're just listening to this is from
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Speaker 3: Foreign Policy, America's war machine runs on tungsten, and it
14:57
Speaker 3: could run out. You could actually run that headline and
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Speaker 3: put several other critical elements inside there, and it would
15:06
Speaker 3: also be accurate. Our we hollowed out our productive capacity
15:11
Speaker 3: over the course of the last fifty years. We focused
15:16
Speaker 3: on this kind of you know, shock and awe strategic approach.
15:22
Speaker 3: We enriched our military, our military industrial complex with this
15:27
Speaker 3: trillion dollar annual defense budget with basically no kind of
15:32
Speaker 3: checks and balance on it, like no quality control, no,
15:36
Speaker 3: because it feeds itself, because things are going well in
15:40
Speaker 3: northern Virginia and suburban Maryland, then things are going well
15:44
Speaker 3: for everybody. Who's who's going to rock the boat? And
15:47
Speaker 3: so it was designed in a corrupt fashion, but also
15:51
Speaker 3: literally not designed for an extended war against a real country.
15:57
Speaker 3: It was designed for like two thousand and three, three
16:00
Speaker 3: or four day bombing campaign of Baghdad. Yes, followed by
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Speaker 3: you know, sending in a bunch of troops and paying Aliburton,
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Speaker 3: you know, to supply it.
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Speaker 1: Let me, did you put D one yet up on
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Speaker 1: the shop? You put D one back up if you.
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Speaker 1: I want to expand a little bit on some of
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Speaker 1: these missiles is that they are explicitly being taken away
16:19
Speaker 1: from the Indo Pacific region. It's not just about a shortage.
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Speaker 1: It's that you're burning through the vast majority of the stockpile.
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Speaker 1: There were over twenty four hundred before the war. If
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Speaker 1: they take all of them out, there will be about
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Speaker 1: four hundred left. So do the math about what that means.
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Speaker 1: Almost two thousand in a single one month period. Also,
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Speaker 1: to connect this to my great fear of what we
16:38
Speaker 1: talked about in our a block. When you start to
16:41
Speaker 1: run out of conventional weapons, what do you do, Ryan,
16:44
Speaker 1: You have to start thinking about unconventional weapons or ground troops.
16:48
Speaker 1: And that's exactly where things are going. If we take
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Speaker 1: the soul civilization will die tonight truth, and we combine
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Speaker 1: that with what's left in the US military arsenal, Well,
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Speaker 1: what if you fake Let's say you're in the same
16:59
Speaker 1: boat as Truman, and now you put yourself in this boat.
17:02
Speaker 1: But what was his calculus? His calculus was, well, two
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dead Americans atomic bomb. Now it
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Speaker 1: was a little bit more complicated than that, but in
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Speaker 1: his mind, that's what he was thinking at the time,
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Speaker 1: and he goes, okay, I'm going with the bomb. Well,
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Speaker 1: this is going to be very similar. So after let's
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Speaker 1: say that this power plant bombing and it doesn't work
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Speaker 1: almost certainly, just leads to horizontal It leads to horizontal
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Speaker 1: escalation with Iran. They wipe out all these power plants,
17:28
Speaker 1: desalination plants, oil infrastructure all across the Gulf. We're in
17:32
Speaker 1: a full blown global depression. And now he has a
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Speaker 1: choice of a tactical nuclear tactical nuclear weapon, not that
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Speaker 1: there is such a thing, or he can use ground forces. Well,
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Speaker 1: the war is one going to be even more unpopular.
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Speaker 1: When America wakes up tomorrow, it's we're living in a
17:46
Speaker 1: whole new world, not just in terms of what we've wrought,
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Speaker 1: but people will actually, at least I hope, finally start
17:52
Speaker 1: to pay attention to what the hell is going on here.
17:54
Speaker 1: And then you combine that with where the president is.
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Speaker 1: He either has to order ground troops or has to
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Speaker 1: order some sort of unconventional weapon, especially when the military
18:03
Speaker 1: is going to start coming to you and say, listen,
18:05
Speaker 1: we can't keep up the sustained bombing campaign or we're
18:07
Speaker 1: going to rip everything dry like the all of these munitions.
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Speaker 1: This isn't just this is just the way that wars
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Speaker 1: are not meant to be fought. They either have to
18:14
Speaker 1: be fought on the ground, have a diplomatic solution, or
18:17
Speaker 1: you need to bring this to an end immediately. So
18:19
Speaker 1: the brittleness of the US defense industrial base is right
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Speaker 1: around right around now is when we expected things to
18:26
Speaker 1: break in the early days of the war. I quoted
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Speaker 1: a expert named Seth Jones over at CSIS. As you know,
18:32
Speaker 1: CSIS is like this with the ped right, they're basically
18:36
Speaker 1: the arm of the Pentagon, Which is why you should listen,
18:38
Speaker 1: because they tell you the things that the Pentagon wants
18:41
Speaker 1: to say but can. And he said, neither Israel nor
18:44
Speaker 1: the US has the munitions for a month's long war
18:47
Speaker 1: out loud. He said it. On the very first day
18:49
Speaker 1: when I put that out, I was ridiculed by the Zionists,
18:52
Speaker 1: by the pro war lobby. Here we are, we're a
18:54
Speaker 1: month in. We're stripping interceptors. I mean, oh god, we
18:57
Speaker 1: already stripped the interceptors out of South Korea two weeks now.
19:01
Speaker 1: We're stripping all these missiles out of the entire Indo Pacific.
19:04
Speaker 1: We've got these large C seventeen, you know, refueling tankers
19:09
Speaker 1: which we've had to bring back the money have been struck.
19:12
Speaker 1: We had that US Navy what was it, the E
19:14
Speaker 1: three spyplane that was taken out. There's only fourteen in
19:18
Speaker 1: the whole world. It was bombed. Let's put D three
19:21
Speaker 1: up there on the screen. Already they're talking about a
19:24
Speaker 1: big tungsten shortage. This is from a foreign policy. It
19:27
Speaker 1: could run out. The US operations are draining limited US stocks.
19:31
Speaker 1: That show how reliant the war machine is on tungsten,
19:34
Speaker 1: and exactly that material, which is very low in supply
19:38
Speaker 1: for a lot of the munitions and piercing rounds that
19:41
Speaker 1: we want to use very low. We don't have enough.
19:44
Speaker 1: A lot of it is in China and they don't
19:46
Speaker 1: want to sell it to us. Shocker, in order to
19:49
Speaker 1: fund this war which is currently happening. And so what
19:53
Speaker 1: do you think it's gonna What do you think is
19:54
Speaker 1: going to happen? So as we start to dwindle, and
19:57
Speaker 1: this is the same playbook that we saw in the
19:59
Speaker 1: First World War. As I've said, if you look back,
20:02
Speaker 1: the amount of munition artillery shells that they had budgeted
20:05
Speaker 1: for the whole war, they blew through in a month.
20:07
Speaker 1: In a month, so they were like, oh my god,
20:09
Speaker 1: what do we do? They were able to go total war,
20:12
Speaker 1: nationalize the economy, put everything into production. Obviously nobody really
20:16
Speaker 1: ran out of shells. But when you start to run low,
20:19
Speaker 1: you have to start thinking about how do we change
20:22
Speaker 1: the status quo. And right now there's only two options
20:26
Speaker 1: unconventional weapons or ground troops. Both are a horrific disaster
20:31
Speaker 1: for the world for US, I mean for the economy
20:34
Speaker 1: in the middle You know, so many millions of people
20:37
Speaker 1: are going to be affected. And this is the danger
20:40
Speaker 1: not even to think about the bigger picture, about the
20:44
Speaker 1: Asia Pacific, our real allies. I mean, you know we
20:47
Speaker 1: talked earlier in the show, how crazy is it that
20:49
Speaker 1: Trump is like, yeah, our only real allies are the
20:52
Speaker 1: golf in Israel. You're like, what Australia, South Korea, Japan?
20:56
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know, people know I hate Europe,
20:58
Speaker 1: but like, come on, like, I'll take the London over
21:02
Speaker 1: Tel Aviv? Like what are we doing ASML like all
21:06
Speaker 1: these companies that come out of there again, you know,
21:08
Speaker 1: sure there's sclerotic, but it's not what are we getting
21:10
Speaker 1: from Israel? Ways? All right, I'm good, all right. You know,
21:13
Speaker 1: if I have to choose between the two.
21:14
Speaker 3: Of those things, ways is pretty good.
21:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fine.
21:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if I had to use Google Maps, I
21:20
Speaker 3: could suffer through it. And at the same time that
21:24
Speaker 3: we're getting exhausted, Israel is getting exhausted too. You know,
21:26
Speaker 3: as we're told, the number of interceptors that Israel has
21:33
Speaker 3: left that are capable of taking on ballistic missiles is
21:38
Speaker 3: at a critically low point. And that's obvious. Like we
21:42
Speaker 3: don't have to be told that, though we are, it
21:45
Speaker 3: is obvious just from the math the numbers that they
21:48
Speaker 3: had the numbers that they've been using. And at the
21:51
Speaker 3: same time, the Iranians haven't deployed their many of their
21:56
Speaker 3: most sophisticated hypersonic missiles, which are capable of more precise
22:01
Speaker 3: targeting and of evading, you know, these very interceptors that
22:05
Speaker 3: they are running critically low on. And so Israel is
22:10
Speaker 3: relying very heavily on the US Navy and its interception
22:15
Speaker 3: capacity as it is much more vulnerable to attack. And also,
22:20
Speaker 3: and this is this is why I just like Israel's
22:24
Speaker 3: decision to want to continue going forward with this at
22:26
Speaker 3: this point is so maniacal and so suicidal because it
22:30
Speaker 3: is I heard somebody describe it as an energy island,
22:34
Speaker 3: because it is, you know, this country that is isolated
22:38
Speaker 3: from all the other countries in the region. It's not
22:41
Speaker 3: connected in a lot of ways. It has its own
22:44
Speaker 3: kind of energy island grid. If a few different nodes
22:49
Speaker 3: of that are hit, it is plunged into darkness. Iran,
22:53
Speaker 3: you can plunge it into darkness. We have We still
22:56
Speaker 3: have enough munitions that we can do extraordinary cantic damage
23:00
Speaker 3: to Iran, no doubt about it. But Iran has hundreds
23:03
Speaker 3: and hundreds of power plants Israel has what ten eight like,
23:10
Speaker 3: not many. So if they're hit, and if they can't
23:13
Speaker 3: protect them from getting hit, and if Iran decides to
23:16
Speaker 3: use its hypersonic ballistic missiles against a much depleted ballistic
23:21
Speaker 3: missile defense, they're gonna get through and hit Israeli power plants,
23:27
Speaker 3: which then kills like it kills people in Cuba, saying.
23:32
Speaker 1: You should tell people about this because you were just
23:34
Speaker 1: in Cuba and tell them what you saw. What does
23:36
Speaker 1: it mean when you lose power?
23:38
Speaker 3: The most immediate thing, and so we might for a
23:40
Speaker 3: range of different people, but the most immediate and obvious
23:43
Speaker 3: thing is patients who are in hospitals on ventilators die.
23:47
Speaker 3: They die, or the nursing staff has to run to
23:50
Speaker 3: them with their iPhone camera on or their smartphone phone,
23:54
Speaker 3: smartphone light on and hand pump, which is not what
23:58
Speaker 3: you want because you also want it be able to
24:00
Speaker 3: check their vitals constantly, and you want to be able
24:02
Speaker 3: to give the right amount of oxygen so you can
24:05
Speaker 3: keep them alive for a while, but like not forever.
24:09
Speaker 3: We also talked to mom whose kid is on an
24:13
Speaker 3: oxygen tank and she said, in the hospital, the nurses
24:15
Speaker 3: are so good that they're not as worried that when
24:17
Speaker 3: the power goes out, but at home they have to
24:22
Speaker 3: rush to like get the oxygen tank, get the mobile,
24:24
Speaker 3: get the mobile one the one that's battery powered off,
24:26
Speaker 3: to make sure that if the battery is not charged up,
24:29
Speaker 3: you're screwed. Also, they shut down. The immediate shutdown of
24:33
Speaker 3: power damages all of this equipment. I talked to a
24:37
Speaker 3: researcher at there at Cuba's Neuroscience Center who's saying that
24:41
Speaker 3: they they're losing a bunch of data to corruption because
24:46
Speaker 3: you can't just done shut down like you just lose stuff.
24:51
Speaker 3: MRI machines crashed because the cooled helium that the cool
24:56
Speaker 3: liquid helium that is essential to an MRI machine m
25:00
Speaker 3: machine loses power, that helium becomes a gas r Do.
25:03
Speaker 1: You want to tell me where there's a helium comes from?
25:04
Speaker 1: Do you want to tell me where thirty to helium
25:07
Speaker 1: cuts from?
25:07
Speaker 3: Cutter makes that from the fields that we even bombed
25:11
Speaker 3: one of the fields that makes that helium. Yeah. So no,
25:14
Speaker 3: if you're a cubea you can't get it just because
25:16
Speaker 3: you're sanctioned and told that you're terrorists. But if you
25:20
Speaker 3: had money a month ago in the United states, you
25:21
Speaker 3: can buy a new helium if now.
25:23
Speaker 1: It goes through, If Trump goes through with what he threatens,
25:26
Speaker 1: and the entire strait is mined, if Qatar's gas field
25:30
Speaker 1: is destroyed, there is a world where in a year,
25:33
Speaker 1: Europeans are waking up and there's no helium in your MRI.
25:36
Speaker 3: And that's also it's a perishable good. It's for AI like.
25:41
Speaker 1: It is a it's very critical for semiconductor manufacturing.
25:43
Speaker 3: Right So you what I didn't know before I went
25:46
Speaker 3: to cube, because you know, it's not kind of stuff.
25:48
Speaker 1: I know.
25:48
Speaker 3: You cool helium to an extraordinarily low temperature and that
25:54
Speaker 3: interacts with the magnets and the semiconductor and MRI technology
25:59
Speaker 3: in way that allows it to move very frictionless. And
26:03
Speaker 3: that lack of friction is essential to the advanced sophisticated
26:07
Speaker 3: technology and an economy that we have today. When that
26:12
Speaker 3: stuff warms up to anywhere, we're remotely approaching thing of
26:16
Speaker 3: a helium balloon, right like, it becomes a gas, it
26:19
Speaker 3: seeps out, it's gone. You can't chase it. You have
26:22
Speaker 3: to produce it and cutter and then ship it around.
26:26
Speaker 3: If those if that, if those facilities are on fire,
26:29
Speaker 3: you can't. So if you need an MRI, I like,
26:32
Speaker 3: get it now. Yeah, you're right, and I would suggest
26:36
Speaker 3: you don't get cancer or anything else that's going to
26:39
Speaker 3: require an MRI in the in the near, near to
26:43
Speaker 3: medium term future's all the other petrochemicals. Right, We're gonna
26:46
Speaker 3: we're going to find out how physical our economy is.
26:50
Speaker 3: We think we think our economy is fantasy and imagination
26:54
Speaker 3: and we just press these buttons and things work. We're
26:57
Speaker 3: going to find out that there are actually things underneath
26:59
Speaker 3: here that.
27:00
Speaker 1: Uh. Someone was like, how do I prepare for this?
27:03
Speaker 1: And I was like, honestly, just save your money.
27:05
Speaker 3: I was like, have cash.
27:06
Speaker 1: I was like, that's that's all I can really say,
27:08
Speaker 1: because we'll be okay, we're a rich country, as in,
27:12
Speaker 1: like we won't starve to death. A lot of other
27:14
Speaker 1: people will probably starve to that or may starve to death.
27:17
Speaker 1: If you know, things start will go the worst case
27:19
Speaker 1: scenario for us, We won't but things will become massively
27:23
Speaker 1: expensive and effectively unlivable. So yeah, that's the only advice
27:28
Speaker 1: that we can get. By the way, that's extremely privileged
27:29
Speaker 1: piece of advice because most people, if they could be saving,
27:31
Speaker 1: they would be So there you go.
27:33
Speaker 3: What a disaster.
27:34
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. All right. Turning now to
27:39
Speaker 1: Tucker carlson extraordinary new remarks in his latest episode, effectively
27:43
Speaker 1: calling Donald Trump the anti Christ, blasting him for his
27:47
Speaker 1: Eastern message.
27:48
Speaker 5: Let's take a listen, who do you think you are.
27:51
Speaker 5: You're tweeting out the effort on Easter morning, You'll be
27:57
Speaker 5: living in hell. Just watch praise be to Allah. So
28:05
Speaker 5: obviously you're mocking the religion of Iran. Okay, if you
28:12
Speaker 5: seek a religious war, that's a good idea. But by
28:16
Speaker 5: the way, no decent person mocks other people's religions. You
28:21
Speaker 5: may have a problem with the theology, presumably you do
28:24
Speaker 5: if it's not your religion, and you can explain what
28:26
Speaker 5: that is. But to mock other people's faith is to
28:30
Speaker 5: mock the idea of faith itself. And we should never
28:33
Speaker 5: mock that because at its core is the acknowledgment that
28:36
Speaker 5: we are not in charge of the universe. We did
28:38
Speaker 5: not build it, we won't be here at the end
28:40
Speaker 5: of it. We can destroy life, we cannot create it
28:43
Speaker 5: because we are not God. The message of all faith,
28:47
Speaker 5: at the biggest picture level, is the message in our Bible,
28:51
Speaker 5: which is You are not God, and only if you
28:53
Speaker 5: think you are do you talk this way. But it's
28:57
Speaker 5: not just mockery of Islam. And no president should mock Islam.
29:02
Speaker 5: That's not your job. This is not a theocracy. We
29:04
Speaker 5: don't go to war with other theocracies to find out
29:07
Speaker 5: which theocracy is more effective. We are not a theocracy,
29:10
Speaker 5: and God willing, we never will be, because theocracies corrupt
29:13
Speaker 5: the religion. No, this is a mockery not just of Islam.
29:19
Speaker 5: It's a mockery of Christianity. To send out a tweet
29:23
Speaker 5: with the F word on Easter morning, promising the murder
29:26
Speaker 5: of civilians and then saying Praise be to Allah without
29:29
Speaker 5: explaining any of it. You are mocking me and every
29:31
Speaker 5: other Christian because we're Christians. We can't support that. That
29:35
Speaker 5: is evil. That is an intentional desecration of beauty and truth,
29:39
Speaker 5: which is the definition of evil.
29:42
Speaker 1: So defending Islam, didn't think I would see it in
29:45
Speaker 1: my lifetime. But the bigger thing that he's talking about
29:48
Speaker 1: there is the departure. First of all, major political implication here.
29:52
Speaker 1: This is the biggest shot Tucker's taken. You know, I
29:56
Speaker 1: took a shot at Trump on Talker's show, and I
29:58
Speaker 1: will admit it's not really just about Tucker. They're Joe
30:01
Speaker 1: Ken as well. But there was this, you know, like, oh,
30:04
Speaker 1: it's Israel's war and kind of the bad boy ares
30:07
Speaker 1: like the Zummar has bad advisors. But like that's out
30:10
Speaker 1: the window. Now it's very op this is Trump. Look,
30:13
Speaker 1: we had to be honest about it, you know, And
30:16
Speaker 1: now it's just so obvious, I think to everyone. But
30:19
Speaker 1: I think with the Easter message and now the departure
30:22
Speaker 1: of the open the Strait and now this morning, civilization
30:26
Speaker 1: will die. This is I mean, genuinely probably one of
30:31
Speaker 1: the most insane statements by a president at war ever
30:35
Speaker 1: in modern history. And when you open the door to
30:38
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons like he is in that statement, it actually
30:41
Speaker 1: does that is the time to start talking about good
30:44
Speaker 1: and evil and humanity. And I'm a secular person, as
30:47
Speaker 1: people know, but like, this is then the time I
30:50
Speaker 1: think to be talking in explicitly apocalyptic terms. And yeah,
30:54
Speaker 1: religion is going to be a part of that. Ryan.
30:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, no agree, I'm secular too, and so I really
30:59
Speaker 3: like avoid phrases like good and evil. But you're right,
31:04
Speaker 3: like it, there's no other way to describe this, this
31:08
Speaker 3: sort of thing. And I am I'm somebody who even
31:11
Speaker 3: though I'm secular, I have I don't have the like
31:14
Speaker 3: Bill maher like hatred for religion I.
31:17
Speaker 1: Did when I was a teenager.
31:18
Speaker 3: I don't sure. Yeah, it's a normal it's a normal
31:20
Speaker 3: teen thing. But as you grow older, you're like, you
31:24
Speaker 3: see the beauty and the wisdom, and he expresses it.
31:27
Speaker 3: I think you know quite quite well that like that,
31:32
Speaker 3: there is beauty and faith and and it is rooted
31:35
Speaker 3: in faith in humanity ultimately, and it is in a
31:40
Speaker 3: kind of Islamian submission or a sense that there's something
31:45
Speaker 3: greater than us and that we have to all love
31:49
Speaker 3: each other, and that that part is that part's terrific
31:54
Speaker 3: and essential to what it means to be a human.
31:57
Speaker 3: And Tucker, yes, just absolutely obliterating him on every level.
32:05
Speaker 3: Let's roll F two as well.
32:07
Speaker 5: On an inauguration day, the president did not take his
32:11
Speaker 5: oath of office with his hand on the Bible. His
32:13
Speaker 5: wife stood next to him holding it. I was about
32:16
Speaker 5: fifteen feet away and saw it. But he did not
32:18
Speaker 5: put his hand in the Bible. And that should have
32:22
Speaker 5: been maybe a clue that we need to pause and
32:27
Speaker 5: think about what is this? Why wouldn't you put your
32:29
Speaker 5: hand in the Bible if you don't believe in the Bible,
32:33
Speaker 5: you think it's just a book. There's no cost to
32:36
Speaker 5: you to putting your hand on it, just kind of
32:37
Speaker 5: following the protocol, going along with the tradition. All presidents
32:40
Speaker 5: do it. Why aren't you doing it? And you're not
32:43
Speaker 5: doing it intentionally. You're choosing not to put your hand
32:46
Speaker 5: on the Bible when you take that oath. That suggests
32:49
Speaker 5: not that you don't believe it's real, because if you
32:54
Speaker 5: didn't believe it was real, why would you care. You'd
32:56
Speaker 5: put on the costume and take it off. It doesn't
32:58
Speaker 5: matter that suggest you know it is real and you're
33:02
Speaker 5: rejecting it intentionally. You know what you're doing, and you're
33:07
Speaker 5: doing it anyway. That is immoral, that will never be moral,
33:11
Speaker 5: that can never be justified. That is always wrong. It
33:15
Speaker 5: can be expedient.
33:18
Speaker 3: We need to do this.
33:20
Speaker 5: It doesn't mean it's right. It's the most wrong thing.
33:23
Speaker 5: And we should always remember that what we do will
33:25
Speaker 5: be done to us. Live by the destruction of civilian infrastructure,
33:31
Speaker 5: live by the killing of children, the bombing of elementary
33:35
Speaker 5: schools and colleges, and you will die and your children
33:40
Speaker 5: will die by those same things.
33:42
Speaker 3: That's just a fact. Yeah, And I was thinking about
33:47
Speaker 3: that a lot as he was. I watched this last
33:51
Speaker 3: night and list to a little bit again this morning.
33:54
Speaker 3: It is a very interesting observation actually, because his point
33:57
Speaker 3: is to me correct that if you actually are just
34:00
Speaker 3: a straight up atheist like.
34:02
Speaker 1: You or I just put your Yeah, I don't care.
34:05
Speaker 3: I'll put my shirt, put my hand of the book.
34:07
Speaker 3: It's a book, yeah, Like if that's if that's what
34:10
Speaker 3: you I have.
34:11
Speaker 1: Two Bibles in my house, right, I'd geta too. I've
34:14
Speaker 1: got a Koran interesting books.
34:16
Speaker 4: Right.
34:17
Speaker 3: There's something profound in that gap between his hand and
34:22
Speaker 3: in the Bible, which I guess people are gonna now
34:24
Speaker 3: ocent in fact check as much as they possibly can
34:27
Speaker 3: noticed if there.
34:27
Speaker 1: No, I haven't all I've seen. Actually, by the way,
34:30
Speaker 1: breaking news. Here's a response. President Trump is responding, OK,
34:33
Speaker 1: all right, Tucker is a low IQ person that has
34:36
Speaker 1: absolutely no idea what's going on. He calls me all
34:39
Speaker 1: the time. I don't respond to his calls. I don't
34:41
Speaker 1: deal with him. I like dealing with smart people, not
34:44
Speaker 1: fool liar.
34:45
Speaker 3: He says he likes to be surrounded by losers.
34:47
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. The best part too, is when Tucker
34:52
Speaker 1: does call him, it's usually to try to say because,
34:54
Speaker 1: as he said, openly, I try to maintain an open
34:57
Speaker 1: line so that I can try to talk to him
34:59
Speaker 1: about things like, hey, don't don't do this right And
35:02
Speaker 1: in the latest time that he attempted to, you know,
35:05
Speaker 1: get some sort of the latest time that he tried
35:07
Speaker 1: to make contact with Trump, he was told. He told
35:10
Speaker 1: me this explicitly on the air. So I'm not like,
35:13
Speaker 1: I'm not breaking any confidences that he was told, even
35:15
Speaker 1: by the White House, don't bother coming because we're being
35:18
Speaker 1: he's being shown polls that a ninety five percent of
35:21
Speaker 1: people support this war. Yeah, that's the reality of where
35:25
Speaker 1: we are. Look, I do think this is commendable and
35:28
Speaker 1: important from Tucker, and I do think at this point
35:31
Speaker 1: any of us who were you know, who were in
35:34
Speaker 1: any way like supportive of Trump or were supportive of
35:38
Speaker 1: the Trump project or boosted for years many of the
35:41
Speaker 1: people who work now in the Trump administration, like I
35:44
Speaker 1: alluded to earlier, it's over. This is a time of
35:46
Speaker 1: choosing if you do not resign by the time of
35:49
Speaker 1: eight PM, and that's when the bombs are going to drop.
35:52
Speaker 1: You are in this. We will never forgive you. We
35:54
Speaker 1: never Trump for me was already long ago over. But
35:58
Speaker 1: I do think for everybody else at this point, low
36:02
Speaker 1: level and all the way up, you all talked a
36:04
Speaker 1: big game about the Iraq war. If you stay for
36:07
Speaker 1: one second when we're going to destroy a civilized to
36:10
Speaker 1: call us a panic and I don't care. You people
36:12
Speaker 1: have the power of God in your hands, as Tucker
36:15
Speaker 1: is saying, which alludes to what to power to destroy
36:18
Speaker 1: great civilizations. Also, I was just looking this morning. Apparently
36:22
Speaker 1: they're one of the only parallel to Trump's civilization. The
36:27
Speaker 1: civilization will die quote is from Uh, please forgive me.
36:31
Speaker 1: I'm not as read up on Greek history, but it
36:34
Speaker 1: is the Delphic oracle said to Crossius of Lydia in
36:38
Speaker 1: the histories that if you cross the hallis you will
36:41
Speaker 1: destroy a great empire. But the irony is that he
36:44
Speaker 1: thought that the great empire was Persia, so he attacked Cyrus,
36:48
Speaker 1: the Great aka Iran of that time. But what actually
36:51
Speaker 1: happened is his own kingdom was destroyed. That's right, circle
36:55
Speaker 1: was right, right, So this isn't even talking about Jesus. Well,
36:57
Speaker 1: let's take it back to the Greek gods of what
36:59
Speaker 1: they were trying to tell us about this. That's the
37:02
Speaker 1: only comparison that we have here. So if you have
37:05
Speaker 1: complicity in that, it is so beyond over. You're done.
37:10
Speaker 1: We will never defend you, protect you. In fact, we
37:13
Speaker 1: should go to the greatest lengths possible that if you
37:16
Speaker 1: did not do what you could stop this when you
37:18
Speaker 1: had real power in your hands, you are now beyond complicit,
37:22
Speaker 1: and we will treat you the way that we should
37:24
Speaker 1: have dealt with George W. Bush, with Dick Cheney, with
37:27
Speaker 1: Paul Wolfowitz, and with every single other person. In fact,
37:31
Speaker 1: my lesson from all of this, Ryan is we didn't
37:33
Speaker 1: do enough to punish the people who were complicit in
37:36
Speaker 1: the Iraq War. We should make it clear, like I'm
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Speaker 1: about to die my hair pink, We're going for truth
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Speaker 1: and reconciliation, bitch.
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Speaker 3: Like that's exactly right. Yes. And in two thousand and nine,
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Speaker 3: when Obama came in, he had this famous quote where
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Speaker 3: he said we're looking forward, not backward. Yeah, right, and
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Speaker 3: the left at the time, what little or was of it,
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Speaker 3: absolutely freaked out, making the argument you cannot allow that
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Speaker 3: to be businesses us if you don't have some consequences
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Speaker 3: for somebody. And the next two years there were many
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Speaker 3: opportunities for consments that There's an entire movie about the
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Speaker 3: Senate Torture report that remember, that was circulating, and this
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Speaker 3: and the Obama administration's intelligence apparatus doing everything it could
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Speaker 3: to suppress this report and water it down and make
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Speaker 3: sure that there were no prosecutions. You didn't even have
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Speaker 3: to go after Bush and Chain and Wolf of Wist,
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Speaker 3: which I thought at the time you should, and I
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Speaker 3: think you're right today that we should have. You could
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Speaker 3: go after some mid level or even you know, slightly
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Speaker 3: higher CIA officials that engaged in torture and rendition. Even
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Speaker 3: just that small amount of criminal accountability is it is
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Speaker 3: a shot at the heart of that impunity and would
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Speaker 3: and would and could have reshaped how people think about
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Speaker 3: what's what's allowable. Followed that up by bailing out the
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Speaker 3: bankers and not prosecuting any of them as well. Instead
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Speaker 3: went after like Joe Judice for like some mortgage fraud
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Speaker 3: that was like the extent of the prosecutions, and it
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Speaker 3: created this sense that the swamp was in control, and
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Speaker 3: so you needed somebody who alone can fix it. And
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Speaker 3: so he comes in and he, instead of fixing it,
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Speaker 3: absorbs the lesson that there are no laws, yes, and
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Speaker 3: there are no consequences. I can do whatever I want.
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Speaker 1: See. This is why you know a lot of people
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Speaker 1: attacked the hell out of us at the time. Ryan,
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Speaker 1: This is why Russia Gate was such a disaster. It
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Speaker 1: resuscitated all of these Bush era neo cons like Bill
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Speaker 1: Crystal and Liz Cheney and all of these other people
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Speaker 1: who were elevated iterated.
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Speaker 3: Them and in service of not actually looking at what really.
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Speaker 1: Happened, in service of what really happened exactly, it became
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Speaker 1: Russia todd and not oh we screwed up generation of
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Speaker 1: policy and all of it. And that I mean, I
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Speaker 1: know a tactives said it so often at the time,
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Speaker 1: but it is so deeply true. And now you have
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Speaker 1: those very same people whitewashed famously now trying to control
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Speaker 1: whether people are allowed to talk to uss On Biker
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Speaker 1: it's a bitch out in the Iraq War, And you're right, yeah,
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Speaker 1: what are we doing here? You know, who do you
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Speaker 1: think you're talking to?
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Speaker 3: So one of the guys that's been tightest with Trump
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Speaker 3: and taken so many arrows for him was Alex Jones. Yes,
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Speaker 3: he's now calling for the twenty fifth Amendment, and so
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Speaker 3: is Marjorie Taylor Green and Taylor Green. Do you see
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Speaker 3: any is there any movement inside the administration? I didn't
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Speaker 3: see it, I mean obviously not for looks early profile
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Speaker 3: about JD.
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Speaker 1: Vance. I mean, wouldn't it be him? So I understand it.
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Speaker 1: He would be the person who has to do it.
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Speaker 1: He's going to care more about his career. Sad to say,
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Speaker 1: you know, and what I knew somebody different. But the
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Speaker 1: truth is is that we didn't. Is that absolute power
40:47
Speaker 1: does corrupt, absolutely, and I've read about it in a book.
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Speaker 1: It is another thing to experience it on a deeply
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Speaker 1: visceral and a personal level. Now is the time for
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Speaker 1: action to literally save the world from the precipice of disaster.
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Speaker 1: And this is what people do movies about. And now
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Speaker 1: you find yourself a central character. And it's not just
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Speaker 1: about him, it's about all the other people who surround
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, who are inside of the White House. Do
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Speaker 1: they have the courage, you know, to actually do something
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Speaker 1: about Let's even put the twenty fifth Amendment aside, offer
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Speaker 1: your resignation, create a Titanic political scandal. Do you have
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Speaker 1: the courage to do something like that? And I think
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Speaker 1: the answer right now is pretty clearly no. So we're
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Speaker 1: in it now.
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Speaker 3: And the irony is, if all you care about, cynically
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Speaker 3: is your own personal advancement, showing courage in this moment
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Speaker 3: is actually the way to advance your own individual interests.
41:37
Speaker 3: Anybody who stands up to this at this moment will
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Speaker 3: be rewarded by the public and by the global public,
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Speaker 3: but particular by the American public, as Tucker clearly knows.
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Speaker 3: And you know, we could have a whole conversation about
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Speaker 3: electoral implications all of that, but it feels crass in
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Speaker 3: this moment of absolute desperation for the entire world. But
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Speaker 3: if you are cynical in this moment, the play is courage,
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Speaker 3: not well maybe mister president, right, go go ahead and
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Speaker 3: do it. You're you're the greatest mister president ever. Which
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Speaker 3: the problem though, is, ironically, that might be the only
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Speaker 3: way to do it if you were in power. That's
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Speaker 3: the story that they always tell themselves, is that, oh, well,
42:20
Speaker 3: we have to gas him up in order to give him,
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Speaker 3: you know, to get him to do what we want.
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Speaker 1: But at this point things are so dire, like there's
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Speaker 1: only one language, right the Joe can by the way,
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Speaker 1: look Joe can't. Maybe he didn't change anything, but he
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Speaker 1: created a problem, right, he created a problem. Create problems, resign,
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Speaker 1: do something, all right, because look, maybe you can't stop
42:37
Speaker 1: Trump and it probably is unstoppable. That's the truth. The
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Speaker 1: way that the Constitution, the nuclear codes and all of
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Speaker 1: that work. And look, you know this fantasy, it's not
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Speaker 1: going to happen, all right. If he wants to do it,
42:46
Speaker 1: he's gonna do it. And I mean, look, I hate
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Speaker 1: to say that, let me tell you, but at the
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Speaker 1: very least for whoever of us survive, you know, you
42:55
Speaker 1: need to be able to put it down in the book.
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Speaker 1: X and Y and Z did something whenever they could.
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Speaker 1: Tucker's joined, He's done whatever could I did what I could.
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Speaker 1: I guess you know, at a certain point where we're
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Speaker 1: just YouTubers, like we're looking for people who are in
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Speaker 1: power for God's sake, all right, and from them outside
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Speaker 1: of Kent, we've seen nothing, nothing, all right, very depressing. Show.
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Speaker 1: I apologize, but I mean, when you set the tone
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Speaker 1: from the beginning of civilization will die, that's going to
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Speaker 1: be the least fun Bro show we've ever done, so
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Speaker 1: all right, Well, Ryan and Emily will be on tomorrow,
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Speaker 1: hopefully not for a very historic show, so you'll see
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Speaker 1: them all then, and we'll continue to give you a
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Speaker 1: special coverage as much as we can. And I guess
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Speaker 1: Ryan and I are going to go do the AM.
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Speaker 1: Every question is going to be about the civilization We'll
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Speaker 1: die true. So there you go. All right, we'll see
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Speaker 1: you later. Thanks so much for watching.