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Bridging the Coaching Gap with Santana Inniss · The Bridges and Beacons Podcast

• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Bridges and Beacons Podcast.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm your host, Kelly Meyerson.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're wondering why this is called the Bridges and Beacons podcast, it's because this podcast is about leadership in all its forms.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm telling you this because today I have an incredible leader who I'm going to have a conversation with.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's a lot happening in the world right now.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: There are a lot of things that we could get upset about, frustrated about.
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  SPEAKER_01: But my goal is to introduce you to and connect you with people who are raising humanity, who are making decisions and how they use their time, their business, their energy to make the world a better place.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Santana Innis, my guest today, who is the founder of Glow Initiative, is going to walk us through her experience, what she's doing.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: And when we get to the end of this podcast, I'm going to encourage you to follow, to support her initiative.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I've given her free reign to share all the ways that you can get involved with what she's doing.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I really encourage you to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Santana, thank you so much for being here.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: And thank you for that very warm introduction.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is exciting for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I connected to you through a friend of mine, Kyra.
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  SPEAKER_01: She recommended you because the work that you're doing really aligns very strongly with my work as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: In particular, I love that what you do is allow women to connect with one another, particularly for coaching and support in a number of different skill areas.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like a beautiful blessing on both sides because the there are people who can come to you and you can connect them with support at no cost to them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then for the people who love to do mentoring and coaching, you give them an opportunity to give from the heart without the expectation of any kind of financial reward.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I just want to start by setting that context and how much I appreciate and I have had the benefit of being able to be a coach and mentor as part of the program and support it with my skills and knowledge and ability.
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  SPEAKER_01: But where did this intention for the GLOW initiative start for you?
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's a beautiful question.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think that the that social impact or my work having some sort of larger purpose has been a through line through my career.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: I started my career in digital strategy, and pretty early into my career, I fell into the nonprofit sector.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I worked in the first part of my career in agencies serving nonprofits and associations and NGOs.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: So doing digital strategy marketing, et cetera, for those groups.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I spent a number of years working in-house at NGOs and nonprofits.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there was always this sort of through line.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I think where the dots started kind of coalescing into a proper image for the GLOW initiative happened after I actually started working for a tech company that had a nonprofit arm.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the experience was like soul-crushing for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think as a woman, as a senior leader, as an executive, as, you know, the only in spaces, the only woman, the only Afro-Lathina, the only brown face, you know, in lots of rooms and lots of places.
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  SPEAKER_00: I always noticed in my career that I was accomplishing great things in terms of me and like my family background, but I didn't have access to the same type of resource as my like white female counterparts or certainly any man, but definitely my white male counterparts.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't being offered mentorship, sponsorship at the same rate as others.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't have access to coaching until I was like almost 40.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so when the great tech layoff happened, I thought, okay, look, I need to have a bigger impact directly in the lives of women.
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  SPEAKER_00: I want to coach women that are also climbing the ladder, that are burning out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so for a while, I thought that that impact was meant to be sort of one-to-one.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I did my coaching education through the ICF model, et cetera, et cetera.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, being a digital strategist is being a systems thinker, right?
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: You have to look at lots of disparate parts.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: You're looking at problems, you're looking at end users, you're looking at all of the personalities, right, that that are throughout an organization.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so as soon as I entered the coaching space, I started to see the holes in the industry.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, for better or for worse, you know, it's a developing industry.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so I started to see that even though my target clients were women who were gainfully employed, kind of director level and above.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: And even those women were having difficulty accessing coaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I wasn't charging$500 an hour, girl.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I was coming in slightly below average, but a price that felt fair for me.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I would even offer sliding scale for folks that really needed that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the average cost of a coaching hour in the United States is$272 per hour in North America, according to the ICF.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I started to see even gainfully employed women aren't able to access this modality.
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  SPEAKER_00: Looking at the average, if you work minimum wage, you have absolutely no chance, no chance to access this.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then on the flip side, I started to see people that had done their education with me were no longer in the industry because there's so few places you could go to get a job as a coach.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I saw the majority of coaches are women.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're not able to build sustainable businesses, they're not able to support themselves, they're not even able to recoup the cost of the education to become certified or credited.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then you have all these women over here that really need coaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's just this huge gap in the middle.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so for International Women's Day 2024, I just it something snapped.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just put a post on LinkedIn and said, does anybody want to get some free coaching for Women's Day?
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I got a lot of traction on that post, a lot of people reaching out.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was, it was more that than I could handle myself as one solo coach.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I said, you know what?
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  SPEAKER_00: I've worked in nonprofits, I know my way around a program.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me start reaching out to coaches I'm acquainted with in my network and see if I make this easy for you, if I manage all the logistics, will you just show up and give me your time?
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: Just do what you do best, donate your time, and we'll go out here and serve some women.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that first year, we matched 97 women with coaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: We had our first partnership with a foundation called, well, the Women's Fund Foundation of the South, WFS, and we were able to bring coaching to 33 of their grantee partners.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so these are women that are running, you know, by and large, pretty small nonprofits, like on the ground working at the community level.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I mean, so to answer your question, I think it's a through line throughout my career.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm just finally in a position to reap the benefits of the, you know, the decades of my career, the leadership, you know, the confidence that comes with knowing how to navigate different challenges this far into your career.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm just finally able to sort of hone that into the focal point of working with this population that's deeply close to my heart, which is women, and particularly women who cannot access the modality of coaching.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's so incredible.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the the model is is essentially pretty simple, you know, connecting and connecting.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: But as you said, like the management of the details, I think is where people get stuck.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: And like, I want to be helpful, but like, where do I even start?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: Even if I wanted to help someone, like as an individual, you can't just go throw yourself out there, hey, anybody wants some free coaching?
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, nobody is gonna believe that that's your intent.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, but I think a a movement like yours really sort of bridges that gap, as you said.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I think what was really incredible and cool about it, um, having participated is being connected with someone internationally, you know, that that there would be absolutely nearly an impossibility of crossing paths with someone from a different country, from a different background, from, you know, different experiences, you know, industries.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: But that through line, like you said, of the experience of being a woman in business, a woman of color in business, you know, and that there are just too so few paths forward.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: And like I can say, as someone who exists in a certain amount of privilege, it has been challenging for me.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, the odds are stacked in my favor in more of a sense, but for women in general, it's just a really tough, it's a tough climb.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then you you add additional layers to that experiences, you know, you talked about burnout.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's another another area that when we get into those stages of burnout, even under the best circumstances, that that feeling of like I'm just going to surrender this as something for me.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm gonna take the more gentle, easy path, which means I'm not really pursuing this higher opportunity, and not higher in the sense of like a bigger paycheck, but more influence.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where I feel a really strong, you know, pressure calling, what have you.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: The voices that are predominant right now are not for the many in so many cases.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: No, and who is going to have the interests of the many in mind, it's going to be women.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and we that's that's so well put.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: We know, right, if you start looking into literature, you look into impact reporting from international NGOs, they tend to prefer investing in women and women's movements.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because when women are poured into, they then you know ladle that out to others.
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  SPEAKER_00: They don't concentrate or hoard.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's why that's part of the reason why this name, the Glow Initiative or GLOE, affectionately for short, right?
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's part of the reason that Glowy has this name, this name, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because there is something that happens when you as a woman are safe, whole, resourced, and well, you radiate, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And you radiate that resourcing out to the people around you.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: That might be your immediate sphere of influence, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: That might be you're showing up as a better mom, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: A more resourced, regulated mom, which has an impact for generations to come.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: It could mean that you are showing up as a better leader, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Which has an impact for generations to come, right?
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: As leaders, especially as people managers.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we know through research that you have more of an impact on someone's mental health than their own therapist or their own doctor.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, it could be that sort of influence, but it could also be something wider, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: It could be at a community scale.
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  SPEAKER_00: It could be you're showing up as a leader in your community.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: We know that when women are invested in, this is an investment that is immediately split, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a little stay at home, but then you know, you're you're you're doling out that investment to the to the folks that are around you.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're building community and and you're you're building wellness for people beyond just yourself.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, when I think about what you shared, being connected to women internationally, I think that part of what we see going on in the United States right now, there's a there's a crisis of how do I want to say that this there's a crisis around this lack of awareness of the interconnectedness of all human beings.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
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  SPEAKER_00: We are all interconnected, and as you said, the voices that prevail are not the voices of the many.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: Quite a through line through the voices that currently prevail is this hyper-individualism, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Hyper strong man, hyper-performance of strength, hyper-performance of individualism, hyper-performance of hoarding, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: How much do I have?
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  SPEAKER_00: How many jets?
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  SPEAKER_00: How many billions?
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  SPEAKER_00: How many B's, you know, all of these things.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I think Glowy itself is grounded in the interconnectedness, right?
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: The aspiration behind Glowy is that coaches can show up and have their coaches filled, because their cups filled, because it's easy in low stakes to have an impact, and you can see the impact of your work in every session that you do with a woman because this is a woman you would otherwise have never met.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: We aspire to pay coaches a living stipend, right?
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: This is this is a project that's been actively in the work since the beginning, so that they don't have to become women in need to serve women in need.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's a that let's underline, highlight, and bold that because yeah, that's a thing that is happening.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: That always felt as backwards to me.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is difficult to be a coach.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we know that most coaches are women globally.
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  SPEAKER_00: We know that most coaches are, it's the vast majority.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Most coaches are women.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so you have an industry that's very tough to survive in, to thrive in, to have enough income that's sustainable.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so that means that we're asking women who are under-resourced to show up in service and to give of their time to women who are under-resourced.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: It always seemed asked backwards to contribute to a gender equity solution on one side while contributing to the problem on the other side.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm so grateful that you and other coaches have continued to show up and volunteer, but it has always been my aspiration to raise the funds, to build the corporate sponsorships, whatever that looks like, so that we can be offering coaches a meaningful living stipend to any coaches that identify as having a need for that.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Many coaches that volunteer with Glowy, they're doing just fine.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: They're doing amazing, right?
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because I asked what it will, you know, just how to so I can calculate the economic impact of our donations.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: What's the average amount that you charge for a coaching session?
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: We got some coaches in there.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they're pulling in 500, 750 an hour, they're doing just fine, right?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: And they'll continue to show them and volunteer.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: But for the coaches who are not doing just fine, it is the aspiration to be able to offer them this stipe.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: And this is why we fundraise.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: And this is why when we go into nonprofits outside of Women's Day, we offer pricing that maximizes impact over profit.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: There is a margin that is like 0.5, like it is so tiny because the goal of the margin is stewardship of the mission.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's not profit, it's impact and stewardship.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: And that is just a different way to do business.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's a different way to lead, right?
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's something that our times and our earth are calling out for.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Everything you said, you know, bold, underline, highlight.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's so many of us who feel that so strongly.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: I love, as like a data head myself, like I love that you can bring the nerdy, like financial, you know, specific specific pieces to that, because I think it's it's super helpful when you're you're asking people to donate that you have this data to back what you're saying.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: And you're also reaching that piece of stewardship, that piece of mission.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I love that you say that because I it it resonates with me.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll tell you why.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know, as a podcaster, you know, when I first started podcasting five or six years ago, it was like, okay, how do you like start a podcast, but then like you make it bigger, get more followers, like make more make money, get sponsorship.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it never sat well with me.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I couldn't really articulate it.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, am I just like, do I have a money mental problem?
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, am I lazy?
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: Is it too much effort?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what is it for me?
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, you know what it is?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not willing to sacrifice the intent behind the work.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I started a podcast because I wanted to have conversations with people, and I'm just like crazy curious, and I want to know all the things.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Where'd you come from?
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: Why'd you do it?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: How did you get there?
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: But the the thread for me was serving humanity.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: I want to highlight people, the bridges and the beacons out there who are leaders who are serving humanity, who are looking beyond, like you said, that individualistic gaining, gaining, gaining, you know, it's a different mindset, it's a different paradigm.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: The idea of not just serving the many now, but serving humanity at large going forward as a planet, as a species.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I think when you're talking about like accumulating these billions, hoarding, you know, um, and no disrespect to people who are trying to, you know, gain wealth in their lives with the intent of serving at a higher level, but there's a difference, there's a distinction, and and I think it is that individualistic nature.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I I do think that uh just naturally, biologically, psychologically, emotionally, women are designed to think outside of themselves, you know, and so I I love that the intent is stewardship and the mission, and that the the outcome is not a financial number or a number of reached.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's are we matching our mission and are we aligned with that no matter what?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: That excites me.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: Me too, you know, and it doesn't make me very popular.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know what?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: I love that you said that because that was another thing I wanted to talk to you about.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: I really applaud you for your your courage and bravery in really speaking your mind.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: And it it probably feels very uncomfortable at times to to challenge the narrative that's out there and to speak truth to the bullshit out there.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me about this.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: How do you how do you find the the bravery to be like, I'm just I'm doing it?
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like there is there's no going back.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm being honest, you know, and and you're not, it's not like people just shouting out the the problems in the world and it's not complaining, it's talking about the elephants in the room all the time.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: Where does that bravery come from?
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was born.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: I was born that way.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love it.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: Bless my mother, bless her.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: I gave her a run for her money when I was a young child.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: I was born with like two prevailing, well, three, two, I'll highlight just like my personality.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: I came into the world with a core value of justice and a core value of curiosity.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: Love it.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: Same.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Just it's it's just who I've always been.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I have, for better or For worse, always been a person that I can recognize when there's when there's an elephant in a room, and I can recognize when there are dynamics in a room that make it harder for other people to speak.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: If there's someone that can't speak and and and there's an injustice that they can't speak about, and I can, right?
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Why would I not do that?
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: Why would I witness someone suffer when I could contribute to some partial alleviation of that suffering, right?
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's this whole thing where they have to put up signs in the subway that says, like, if you see a terrorist say something, if you see something, say something.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like that the majority of human beings need to be told that to my to me is just wild.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: If you see something, you need to say something, but that doesn't just apply to terrorists, right?
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the other day I commented on someone's LinkedIn.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I'm so sorry, but your your glasses game is unparalleled.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: I've never seen someone wear glasses with more pop, with more pizzazz, with more, yes, queen, yes.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know her.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know her, right?
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: But I saw it, I thought it, it was positive.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to share that, right?
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: I think that when we share our light and when we share our grit, we at the end of the day, we are all interconnected.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: We belong to each other, whether we know each other or not, right?
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: This this is this is just a central part of my belief system.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: I talk a lot of shit on the internet, Kelly, I'll be honest with you.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's always been very surprising to me.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'll knock on wood, but somehow the like the the the crazy algorithm doesn't they they haven't found me, you know.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: I I've every so often I'll get a sideways comment or someone will, you know, I don't know, some man will come in and do manning in the in the comments, but not very often.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: I think that people are so afraid to say what they see because and and you know, as a digital strategist, back in back in my day, as a digital strategist, clients would say things like this all the time.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm so scared to say what I think or to say what I see because what if the trolls come and the manga comes and the doxing and the this and the that?
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's high profile, but it's very, it's it's actually not that common that, you know, for for and I'm saying this as someone that's said a lot of shit on the internet for, I mean, I once took out a billboard against a congressman because I was mad that no one realized that, you know, he was fucking up as a congressperson.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, the listener needs to hear that story because I feel like that that really underscores what you're talking about here.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, okay, so I'm originally from Southern California, and my congressional district for a very, very long time had this man named Duncan Hunter.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: He was the congressperson for that district for like, I don't know, one million years.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: There need to be term limits, but he was there for a long time.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: And he got very old and eventually he retired.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then somehow on the next year's ballot, we see Duncan Hunter on the ballot again.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: But what he failed to include on the ballot was the junior.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: So most people didn't know they were voting for the junior, not the senior.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so he was just ushered in in a wave because people just thought they were voting for the guy who never made any, you know, big waves or anything.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, okay, he's done fine, I guess.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: For all these years, I'll just keep voting for this guy.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Duncan Hunter, I mean, if you recall, he was under federal investigation for campaign finance violations.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he he had allegedly paid for his children's orthodontia, a new garage door, like a hell of a binger, buying tequila shots for everyone in the in the bar, trips to Las Vegas, and a first-class ticket for his literal pet money rabbit.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: These were his alleged crimes, right?
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: And the election was coming up, and I said, Well, I'll be goddamned if people make the same mistake twice.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so I collaborated with with another person who was kind of active, and I said, We threw up like a GoFundMe.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: We're like, hey, anybody want to like chip in on this?
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: We raised eight grand, took out a billboard, someone designed it.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: We took out a billboard directly across the street from his district office, and it said, Did you know Duncan Hunter is under federal investigation?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's all it said.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's a question mark.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: Did you know?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: Did you know that he's under federal investigation?
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it made the news, it forced a comment from you know his people, whatever.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just like something I always say to people is you can do things.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: You literally just do it.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like just get up and do it, just say it.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: If you see it, say it, right?
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: Because if we're all saying it, there's first of all, safety in numbers, but also, I mean, why wouldn't you if you can?
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: If you can say something, if you can do something, if you can build something, I think there's a moral imperative for you to do that.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: And at the end of the day, I think if we decouple it from this prevailing fear that we have.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: This fear is is grounded in reality.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: We do have a culture of keyboard warriors, of people that are willing to say things online that they would never say in person.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I think as human beings, while we evolved, shame is a is um it's an emotion that is pro-social, right?
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think there is healthy shame.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's healthy when it enforces healthy relational in-group cohesion, right?
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, you can't talk to people here like that if you want to stay here, right?
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: That might feel shamey when you experience it.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: This is pro-social shame.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: We were not, however, evolved to experience shame on the scale that some people find themselves in when they strike a third rail on the internet, right?
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: Millions and millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions sometimes of people watching, tuning in, giving unsolicited feedback, whatever it is.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not to say that that doesn't happen, it does.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's not to say that that doesn't, isn't difficult to navigate, isn't incredibly harmful and detrimental.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: It is all those things, but it's not as common as people think.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I believe that when we are scared into silence, the consequences can be a lot worse than if we just used our voices.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we're seeing that now.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think you're right.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think we're seeing both.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think we're seeing both people who will not, no matter the consequences, they will not be silent.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: They will not stand by and watch things happen.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: And we're seeing people who are recoiling and being silent.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's a it's a tough line.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I think as you said, for for certain people, it it's it can feel very dangerous right now.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: And it can be, look, I you know, not to not to bring too much directly in from into our lovely bubble here from outside.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, there there are definitely there's there's uh it there's all kinds of policing going on.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: I I mean that literally literally and you know, kind of figuratively.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: There's especially women of color, like the tone policing, you know, the the ad hominem attacks, like there's there can be really a lot on the line to to use your voice, but not everybody needs to use their voice on the internet.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: You can use your voice at the kitchen table, you can use your voice when you see someone do something wild in the grocery store line, you can use your voice in the church pew, right?
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: You can use your voice with your children as you help them to understand and navigate what they're seeing in the world right now.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: There are a lot of ways to say what you see that don't include taking out a billboard.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: I love that this is a spectrum.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: Is it is it at the kitchen table or or having coffee with a close girlfriend, or is it a billboard?
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: Find find, you know, that just right match for your nervous system and your safety, like your literal safety, and and use it, practice it.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think that if if someone who's listening can take anything, I think it's that.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's having, you know, I mean, I I without getting into details, I had a moment in my daytime job this week where I felt the room, you know, of like 15 people and and a business decision that was made above our heads that I felt was wrong.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: I could tell that many of them felt it was wrong, and I said something.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: And that can make you very unpopular, you know, and you know, it's like insert eye roll here, she opened her mouth again, but I can feel the people in the room who would others who would desperately love to be in a space and place where their voice is heard in that way, but it can't they can't.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I I've had that happen frequently over the course of you know my life, you know, sometimes with more dramatic flair than other times, but I feel like it's a muscle.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I just lost your I just lost your audio.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: How funny is that?
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: You celebrated, we stopped your voice.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'll keep going.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: We'll we'll get your voice back.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: Interrupt me when it's gonna have to kick it back audio here because this thingy just died.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I did it's funny.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: This might be you know what?
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: You get yourself set up and I'll I'll keep going.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: But it's funny.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: We were talking about using your voice and your your little microphone is like, oh, you mean like not like not being quiet like this?
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: Not like literally, like not like literally silencing.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that and I I find it's it's part of the the like very feminine narrative of you know, you can have an opinion, you can speak out, or you can be liked.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: And and and that feeling that many of us have been conditioned to feel, and like you don't want to disappoint people, yeah.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, why are you gonna rally against the machine?
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you're gonna make people feel bad.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna you're gonna cause problems.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: We can't move forward because of that.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I my background is in occupational therapy, but as a passionate voice user for my life and loving public speaking, I went back and got a master's in strategic communication and leadership.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, one of the areas that we studied is groupthink, yeah.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: And how easily um people can fall into that.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: And and people will either, you know, silence themselves or there will be active silencing.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: And we can look back as a case study and see oh, whoa, this is a big problem.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like the the issue that we studied was the Challenger incident in the 80s.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: And there were a group of scientists who said there was an issue, you know, with with the engineering of the O-rings and that it was likely to fail.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: And very interestingly, this is crazy, just so happens, my mom's dad, my grandfather, was a rocket scientist.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: He he worked for NASA, but he was uh a civilian, like a civilian engineer who worked for NASA.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: And he was one of the people who was vocal about that issue.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's just really funny to me that, like, of course, of course, the the granddaughter of someone who was willing to speak out.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: And and if you had met my mom, who was she, if this gives you any sense of her, she went to college in the early 70s.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: And when she graduated, she was an early childhood educator.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: She took a job at Mawa High School in New Jersey, and she was part of a team developing a preschool program in the high school to serve impoverished families living in the mountains, who were called, you know, terribly called the Jackson Whites, but that's like the the historical that time period, these were very impoverished families who did not have access to education.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: And my mom went and befriended the people and got them to trust her to allow them to bring their children to receive early childhood education in the high school in Mawa, and ended her career running grants for Head Start, even start ESL programming for individuals coming to the states from all over the world.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think part of my growing up was this idea that the world is bigger than your tiny town or your small influence.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I've developed so much more curiosity about people's experiences and their humanity as a result of that.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I think it the the importance of someone listening who is like, I can't do what Santana is doing.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: I I can't, you know, jump out there and speak my mind on social media and and do an initiative.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: The importance of living your values as a parent, as a mom, and teaching your children and you know, doing what you can with where you are right now.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think you're touching on some really important stuff here.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: The the challenger situation, there's a great documentary on PBS about that.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: If folks aren't super familiar and they love a doc you, but you know, you also gave the example of like some of the specific ways that women's voices are policed, right?
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, you don't want to rock the boat, you don't want to be a nag, you know, you should just be accommodating, like all of these things.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's not that far off from groupthink, in a way, right?
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: This is a way that we, by osmosis, learn to police ourselves before anyone else has a chance to.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: Let me make sure I'm not transgressing this cultural moray.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: But I would posit it behooves each of us to really interrogate what are the values, what are the ideas, what are the thoughts that I have inherited from my community, from my country, from my religion, from my parents, from my boss, whatever it is.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: It behooves us all to interrogate and check in.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_00: What is this thing?
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: Do I agree with it?
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_00: How does this land for me?
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: Is it working?
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: Is it not working?
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: Does it violate some other belief or value that I hold?
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'm very aware what people may think when I call a spade, but call a spade I shall, Queen, because those things don't align with my own values.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, right?
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: I just don't believe that we can be living in a country that's oh my gosh, all the equality and freedom and don't tread on me and blah blah blah, but I'm over here policing my own voice.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't make any sense to me.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: Because those things just they just don't align with my values.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: Because fundamentally, they are not just.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: Fundamentally, they say that some voices value are valued higher than other voices.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: And while, you know, maybe you might you you might say that's true in some cases where there could be uh, I don't know, an expert.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_00: Someone talking about vaccine science, for example.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: You might say someone who has studied this for many moons might know a little bit more than you know, the guy down at the Wawa parking lot.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, fundamentally, I think that as we kind of witness the freedom of speech be pressure tested in a way that I think is the most intensive pressure testing of the First Amendment in my lifetime.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: Not ever, but maybe in my lifetime or in my my aware lifetime, right?
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe not when I was six, but after.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: I am going to swim in the waters, bask, frolic, luxuriate in the waters of my freedoms as long as I can.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: I will not strip myself of my freedom in order to prevent someone else from stripping it from me.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: Why would I not speak when I can and I want to?
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: Because someone thinks, oh, it might make me uppity, loud, ghetto, right?
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: These are the things that they police women of color with.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: Women generally, right?
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: Including all women, you're not accommodating, you're a bitch, you're a this, you're a that.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, right?
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever it is.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: I always say to people, there's no reason to get for clemped on the internet when someone comments at you sideways or you see a post you don't agree with.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: If it does not apply, simply let it fly.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so when people come at me and they they they want to police what I have to say, well, it just simply doesn't apply.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so I let it fly.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: I just simply don't agree with you that because I am asserting my expertise, my beliefs, my heart, my passions, that That I have committed a social photop.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: I just don't agree with you.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: So you get to go live your life and you get to go build your tribe of people that agree with you.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_00: And if you want to go and live in a commune of only people that agree that, well, that's your freedom.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: But don't police me.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I won't police you.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I think bringing it back to the GLO initiative, like why this work feels so urgent at this time, is because there's there's a lot going on for women globally, but there's a lot going on for women in the United States.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: There was what 400,000 black women who lost their jobs in 2025.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: There's reproductive things going on with women in various states.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_00: We're seeing infant and maternity maternal mortality increase when we were already the highest of any industrialized nature nation.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: So, like there's a lot going on for women right now.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: We're seeing politicians casually joke about abolishing the 19th Amendment, right?
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_00: The call is coming from inside of the house, right?
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: We're in danger, girls.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: We're in danger.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: We're in a lot of danger.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: And what needs to happen is movements from grassroots to grass tops that say, hey, we simply just we you're loud and you have a microphone, but you're also wrong.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: And we don't agree with you.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: And what we're not gonna do is have choice stripped from us.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: We're not gonna do it.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_00: I am incredibly pro any woman that chooses the lifestyle that these folks with microphones aspire to.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: If that's your choice, woman, love that for you.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: Go do that.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: But don't you dare try to take away my rights, my freedoms, my voice, the way that I choose to live my life as a woman because of your choice.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I won't do it to you.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so with Glowie, we are reaching in to communities of women that would otherwise not have access.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_00: This year, we're working with two organizations that are sex worker or sex trafficking victim facing.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: We will be working directly with women that by and large society wants nothing to do with, right?
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: This is a very inconvenient truth of a society that in the wealthiest nation, we are still seeing the sex trafficking of women and girls in these lands, in these borders.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_00: This is a very inconvenient truth.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_00: Glowy is going there, glowy is bringing coaching.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_00: And Glowy is bringing the coaching that that woman needs to be well.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_00: We have 28 different coaching niches and specialties this year that women get to choose from.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_00: So whatever it is that she needs, whether it's career coaching, resume coaching, leadership coaching, public speaking coaching, okay, we've got that.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_00: But we also have grief coaching, we've trauma-informed coaching, we have wellness coaching, we have mindfulness coaching.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: It there's 28 areas this year.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: This is our most diverse area.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: We have our most uh nonprofit partnerships.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: We'll be working with 10 nonprofits and foundations serving women to bring coaching to women in need and the resource-strapped nonprofits that are already serving them.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: That's what it means to coach with Glowie.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: It means showing up, it means plugging in, it means having impact.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: Rinse and repeat over and over and over.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: This is the work.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: This is this is what fundraising for this work uh accomplishes, right?
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's women getting coaching.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: Love it.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_00: Coaching is transformation, coaching is opportunity, coaching is changing lives, coaching is changing trajectories of lives of generations to come.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why I'm so fired up for this work, Kelly.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so grateful that you've participated.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so grateful that you're sharing your platform with me to reflect and share a bit more about you know this incredible work that we're doing together.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm so excited about it.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm and I'm so happy to know about the specifics of who you're who you're serving because I think it helps me as a person.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: One of the things that we can do, there are a couple things that are popping up for me.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: The first is voting.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: Don't assume that everybody's out there voting and and supporting.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: So vote.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_01: And you don't only vote with your actual vote.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: If you're somebody who lives in the United States and or in a democratic place, you vote with your dollars.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: You vote with where you're spending your money.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: And listen, this is not about perfection.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: This is not about like, I'm gonna be an environmentalist and like I'm gonna change every aspect of my life to my detriment.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: This is about conscious choices about where you're sending your money and questioning everything and everyone about what they support.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: Is it sustainable?
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: Does it support people?
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_01: So be aware, be smart.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: The third point that I'm thinking is it's not just that, it's it's networking on a different level.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's connections.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's as you're talking about these topics, I have people in mind who would be perfect partners for you.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not even about at the end of the day, is this gonna make money for me?
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, is this that's not even a thing anymore?
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we gotta trust that the work and the intent that we're putting is is helping us.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: But who do you know who could serve this mission?
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because this is how we dismantle patriarchy.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: And you're right, it's grassroots, it's it's starting where you are now with what you have.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: What can you do?
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: You are not powerless.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: We've been told we're powerless.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I think what you talked about just a couple minutes ago about stripping your own freedoms from yourself before anybody can do it to you.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: And as you are still free, and in this moment you are safe wherever you are, you have power.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: And there is so much power in your voice, in your dollars, in how you raise your children, in how you support your community, the ways that you spend your free time, you know.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_01: And again, I want people to move beyond, like, don't just feel bad.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: Don't get stuck in feeling bad and like I could be doing more.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_01: Don't give yourself that time to wallow.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: Give yourself like, this is what I'm going to do today, this week, this month, this year.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I I really support what you're doing in such a huge way, in the way that I can.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_01: I have a voice, I have a platform, I have people in my network.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_01: We are so much more resourced than we ever give ourselves credit for.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_01: And to me, it's that resource piece that is so critical.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_01: And what you're doing is you're you're filling in resources, you know, people who want to help and they just don't have the connection or the place to do it.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: Here you go.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: Here's Glow.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: Plug in.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_01: Where do you fit?
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, how can you serve with what you've got?
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_01: This is not about burning ourselves out.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: This is about shifting our mindset, shifting our money, shifting our power, shifting our voice, tiny shifts that are sustainable and also continuing to care for our human bodies and so that we can sustain this mission.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's another piece that's important to me personally is it's not about people having voices and getting out there.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's what can we sustain over time?
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: Because this is not a singular event, it's a marathon.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: A hundred percent it's a it's it's a shift over generations.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_01: And if you know it's gonna go that long, like you gotta pack more than a granola bar and one water bottle, right?
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: This is not this is not a trail hike.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is traversing a lot, and I don't know what I'm gonna need.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna, I'm gonna move at the pace that works for my body, and I'm gonna tap in to know what that means for me.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: And like, yeah, anyway, this is it's I'm riffing on the things that I think become the hot button issues for me, like that sense of resources and minor shifts are not small, it's just sustainable to take a minor shift.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_00: I love what you shared so much.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: I I think that people who are in their heads about how to show up perfectly to this moment.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh if you're worried about how to show up perfectly, and that's causing you to not show up at all, that's far worse than showing up imperfectly.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_00: I say that a thousand times.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_00: It is far worse to not show up at all than it is to show up imperfectly.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, not everybody has every resource.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_00: Money is a resource, yes, time is a resource, privilege is a resource.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_00: There are lots of different resources out there.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_00: Not everybody, like no person alive, has the same amount of resources in their in their deck of cards, right?
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_00: That they're dealt in life.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so, what are your resources?
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know, maybe, maybe, maybe you you're not not a person that feels like you can ever use your voice in a way.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's okay.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_00: Can you support the people that are out there using their voices so that they can sustain in this marathon and not this sprint?
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_00: You could slide them some money to their Patreon.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: You could you could subscribe to their channels, right?
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of ways.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that you know what I my wish for people is that they can recognize what ways they can contribute, that they can take those actions, and that they can feel at peace about their contribution.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because a lot of people judge themselves for not showing up.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I can't go to the protests.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I can't hold the signs.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I can't follow, you know, people with my car.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_00: I can't, I can't do this.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Queen, but what can you do?
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: Do that thing and feel good about it.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what?
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking too, I I think one of the distinctions, and then I want you to tell us how we're connected.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, you have owls on your cup.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you can see all the owls in my room, and you have to go on LinkedIn and see my owl post.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: But oh my god, I'm I hysterical.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, just a side note.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm not I derailed my own thought, but it's gonna come back to me.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think what I was going to say is that we don't have to respond to every injustice.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, yeah, I don't have to pack a bag, get on a plane, and go beyond the front lines.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_01: If that is not where my resources are are best utilized.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_01: But on DML, I'm gonna do my podcast episodes, I'm gonna talk about people, I'm gonna connect people, I'm gonna use my voice, I'm gonna speak up when I see injustice in my world, right?
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_01: And that that is enough.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_01: And you have to go to sleep at night feeling like that is enough.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_01: It is okay.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're giving from where you are.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I also think if you're listening and you're like, I'm I need the support, don't be afraid to ask for what you need.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think we're really afraid to show our vulnerabilities and our our you know presumed weaknesses because either we're afraid of rejection and we're like the perception being like she doesn't have it all together.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, truth is all of us in some way are falling apart or really sensational.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: And that's just the human condition and experience.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, don't open the whole closet.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_01: It, you know, it's a hot mess.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_01: But like, please enjoy my great room, which is very cultivated and organized.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it's okay.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, there is no expectation of high perfection all the time, and that pursuit is exhausting and it does not have an end.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_01: Instead, embrace your imperfect nature and just be who you are and also embrace other people in their imperfection.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, don't applaud the person who shows up and looks like they got it all together all the time.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then, like, if somebody has one thing off, their hair doesn't.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we do this, we tear down women all the time for their appearance, their age, whatever it is.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we could this is a whole other podcast.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_01: Stop, Kelly.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_01: But but like, we could totally go there.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_01: But I I think if this does anything for people, I hope it gives them the inspiration and the vision of a different option from where they are now.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so I would love if you could tell us the best ways for people to support Glowy and about your fundraising mission right now.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for that.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_00: And before I touch on that, I just want to say everything you just shared resonates.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_00: Not everybody can show up to every injustice, but if everyone's showing up to one injustice, right?
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_00: And and folks have to keep that in mind.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_00: Glowy is the way that I show up to this moment.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_00: This is the way that I choose to use my brain, my my heat, my resources, whatever I have at my disposal.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is what I choose to do.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_00: This is how I choose to show up to this moment.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're like, well, women's coaching is okay, you know, that's fine.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's that's like your opinion, man.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_00: But you don't have to show up to every injustice.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_00: Pick one and be okay with it.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_00: And be okay that that's the way that you want to plug in.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I love that.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_00: And and just in case the way that you want to plug in is really similar to the way that I want to plug in, the GLOW initiative is getting ready to run its third annual International Women's Day initiative.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_00: What that means is that we will be providing coaching for free to the women.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_00: This is a huge year, Kelly, because we're gonna cross a really big milestone.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_00: This year we will have matched 500 women with coaching.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_00: We'll we'll cross that.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_00: It will be a bit more, but we're crossing that milestone.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_00: That means in just three women's days, we we will have coached or matched 500 women in need with coaching, women who would otherwise not have had access.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so, what does that mean?
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: And what does this movement mean?
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_00: This movement, I'm not gonna lie, we need some financial influx right now.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: It it costs money to put this on, it costs time and money and resources to do this.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so, our fundraiser, this is like a sneak peek for folks because it actually, I mean, it's online now, you can see it, but when the collateral and the beautiful images start to come out, it's called the 500.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's to tell the stories of these 500 women that have come through our doors and what it has meant to them and the impact and the change and the transformation that they've experienced in their lives.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you would like to show up for women this International Women's Day, you can do that by making a contribution of any size to our fundraising campaign.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_00: Donations, suggested donations begin at 50, but if you got five bucks, slide it over.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_00: And and it when you visit the fundraising page, it lays out directly when you donate 50 bucks, this is how many sessions for women in need that funds.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_00: When you donate 100, this is how many that funds.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is all about getting women in rooms with coaches to support their journey wherever it is that they are on that journey, whether it's climbing the ladder, whether it's breaking the glass ceiling, whether it's rebuilding a life after trafficking, whether it's rebuilding a life after domestic violence, whatever it is, we're showing up to meet this moment.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_00: We're showing up to provide these resources, and I would be honored to receive your contributions to fund the work and to keep it moving forward.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, 100%.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited for this.
• 1:03:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is like just the beginning.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm so thrilled to know you, to support you, to have been part of the initiative, to get to know you a little bit more and to share some of the passion that we have.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a lot of anger out there.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of angry women, and like giving angry women a place to put that passion, like behind our anger is a sense of that injustice that you talked about in the beginning, is a sense of a mismatch in values, is a sense of not being heard, not being seen, being like literally silenced.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think this is such a beautiful way for people to direct that energy, and that that sense of connection is only going to grow, and there is no stopping us.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_01: We have such a sustained energy for this, so you know, don't don't don't worry.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is just the beginning.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_01: So wherever you are right now, just match this mission with your energy, your time, your money, like Santana said, whatever you have right now, just offer that little bit and share.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_01: Tell everybody, repost, pass it on.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know somebody that Santana should talk to, comment, tell her, message her.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna put all of her contact information in the show notes, and I will be sharing this on my social media platforms as well, because it's in those connections that the change is really happening.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_01: No connection is too small, no amount of money is too small.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's the energy, the intention, and it's gonna make a big difference.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yay! Big hearts, big hearts, big hearts.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_01: I am so grateful.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_01: I I do want you to come back and I do want to dive into some more topics.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh, what is your deadline?
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_01: When is International Women's Day coming up?
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_01: Remind the listener.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_00: International Women's Day is March 8th.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_00: March is Women's History Month.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and International Women's Day is March 8th.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_00: We will begin matching women as early as March 1st and we'll end on March 8th.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_00: So awesome.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you so much for being here.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_01: Listener, thank you for listening to the end.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I hope that there's been a whole lot of hell yeah and yes, sister, and I'm in, let's do this happening as you're listening in your car or washing dishes or wherever you find yourself listening to podcasts, or if you're watching our faces, thank you for being here.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_01: We believe in you, and we're gonna make a difference, and it's gonna be together.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're looking for someone somewhere, a mission to join, here's your opportunity.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_01: Here's an answered prayer for many of you.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_01: And we thank you for being here, and we'll see you next time on the podcast.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_01: Bye for DA.