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14- Who is the BEST Witch EVER? Hottest Debate: The Wicked Witch of the West vs Winifred Sanderson · Arguing Ever After

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I'm Luke and this is my witchy woman, Amber.
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before you even have it. And so here we are, episode #14.
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14. That's a whole bunch.
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It is, it is, and it's our second episode of Spooky Month.
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It is, as you can tell, we have dressed for the occasion.
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If you're watching on video and if you're not, you really
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should. Yes, Amber is wearing the most
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epic witch hat maybe ever created.
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It's really fantastic it it was made or purchased, but I'm going
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to say made because I feel like it must have been made in which
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city itself. Which city?
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Salem, MA. Yes, yes.
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And it has. Well, obviously it's a big Black
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Hat, but it's got a lot of beauty on it.
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Yeah, there's sparkles. There's some sparkly nutting on
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there, but the reason I was so attracted to this witch hat is
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that there is a beautiful mermaid skeleton on the side and
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it was just great. Then when we were in Salem,
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there were a couple places that made these incredible witch's
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hats, and I mean handmade, just wonderful.
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It was worth every cent that I don't remember how much I spent
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because. It was worth.
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It it was worth it, Yeah, on the.
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Back it has a cute little spider and a couple of dead roses.
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Yes, yes. I mean, it's a beautiful,
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beautiful hatch that I don't have enough occasion to wear.
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But maybe I'll figure it out. Maybe I'll find more so.
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I'm both wearing our Salem sweatshirts.
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Yeah, I have more than one. Mine's got that thing that's on
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all the old gravestones. I I can't remember if it's
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called the Angel of Death or. Something but the.
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Skull with the with the Angel wings on it.
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It's pretty. Cool.
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Yeah, when we went to Salem, we had a lot of fun.
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That sounds weird, looking at the old cemeteries and seeing
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the old gravestones that they had and the momento Mori, all of
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those things. There were several great sayings
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and it was it was really interesting.
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I'm glad that I looked at those old gravestones.
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It was, I mean kind of the art on it, you know, you know, very
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hand done art, you know, today our gravestones or you know, I
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don't know, I but you know not. As cool not.
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As cool, but you know, maybe. I mean, I plan on getting
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cremated, but if you were to make me a great gravestone I
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would love one of those old fashioned Y kinds just sitting
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in the cemetery. You need an Angel of death.
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I want, yeah, an Angel of death on there or some of the cool
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little skeletons. We don't do that anymore.
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Which is. I have a really cool coffee mug
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that has a bunch of like gravestone imagery on it.
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When I saw that, when I saw that coffee mug, yeah.
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And I would just call it a regular mug.
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I was like, oh, I think I need this.
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And then you were like, oh, I just found my new coffee mug.
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Sure did. Not I just found Amber's new
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coffee mug. I just found my new coffee mug
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because Amber doesn't drink coffee.
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Well, it's. True, I was sort of bummed out
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'cause I really liked it. And you know what?
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Oh, now I'm thinking. What?
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We could like get rid of all of our coffee mugs and just have
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that be our coffee mug. Like not that like get a whole
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bunch of that one. Imagine.
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Copies of it, yeah. Imagine that.
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That would be nice. I would like that.
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It has other stuff on there. It's one of the things I like.
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I don't know how to say it correctly in Latin, but it's
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Fujit aura, which means time flies.
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Oh. That's interesting.
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Yeah, it's a good one. Yeah.
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And memento Mori, obviously. And it does have like little
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skeletons. One of the things says tickets
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Every every perfect body has only 218 bones.
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That's on one of the gravestone imprintings.
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There's a bunch of good ones out there.
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And they're, they're taken from grapes, like old grapes.
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It's not just made-up stuff, but it's taken from old graves,
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which is kind of cool. I do want to say usually we go
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through and we'll talk about new places.
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However, we are recording these a little differently than we
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usually do. That's true.
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So we're not going to have like new winners and losers, most
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likely. No, we we won't and we won't
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have new places right now. Doesn't mean we won't get them
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between now and then when there's.
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Some free time to do. We're banking a couple of
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recordings. Yes, yes.
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So and when this airs, I'm sure there will be, but currently as
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I speak right this moment. This moment.
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We don't have any listeners from Massachusetts, and I hope that
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this is going to make it happen. We got to get it going.
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Right, because we are lovers of Salem.
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Absolutely. It was one of my bucket list
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items in life to go to Salem during the month of October.
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And we did. And we did.
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It was awesome. It really was.
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I would say anyone who's a Halloween lover, go there.
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There's nothing like it. I mean, I've heard people have
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gone not during the month of October and they didn't have as
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great of a time. That's because in October, the
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city of Salem goes Batty and everything is like Halloween
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extra. All the houses are decorated,
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all the public spaces are like decked out.
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There's crazy gatherings every night.
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There's tarot readers and and practitioners in the streets
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with like little St. carts and I mean, it's crazy.
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Well, and when we were there, this is random and weird, but
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there was even a Kit Kat commercial being filmed there.
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There was yeah, yeah, yeah. That was cool.
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We got to watch that as we walked by a very well decorated
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house. And it was aired then maybe the
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following year. But I remember I was like, we
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were there, we saw that. But they weren't letting people
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have candy, which was sort of, well, I mean, you're.
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They did at the world's best Halloween parade.
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Yes, a couple of them. That parade was legit.
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It was so good. I think everybody in Salem and
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like the seven surrounding towns, because Salem's actually
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pretty small, right? It's super tiny, but I think
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everybody showed up. For sure.
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There were like 7 high schools which.
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I love the high schools. They all dressed up in costumes.
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There was like 1 marching band and all the boys were Pugsley.
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Yeah, and all the girls were Wednesday.
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It was fantastic. Oh, I just just joy, joy.
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And then while we were there, we had seen a couple.
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So we drive Jeeps. We may or may not have talked
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about this. We're kind of dorks about Jeeps.
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We like Jeeps. And years ago I felt I was being
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really original and putting it like a skeleton on my Jeep.
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But we were there and I was seeing these Jeeps with a bunch
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of skeletons, and I was just like, parked in the parking lot
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because there's like 2 parking lots.
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It's a small city. When I tell you it's small, it's
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small. But I remember taking all these
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pictures because I was just like, oh, these people know how
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to live. Yeah.
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And then during the parade that night, there was, I don't know,
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it seemed like 20 Jeeps just covered in skeletons and
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spookiness and all of that. And I thought, I wish we had
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this where we live. It was great.
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Some of them had like inflatables coming out the top
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of their yeah. Yeah, it was so cool it.
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Was all kind of lights. Yeah, they were playing all the
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spooky music. The mayor came out dressed up in
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a costume. Oh I I had such a great time and
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it was the year after. I just remembered the dog
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parade. Yes.
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That was amazing. The.
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Best costume contest Dog parade, which was first of all the human
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parade with all the vehicles was like an hour.
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Yeah, I would say. It was crazy.
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We couldn't have just kept going.
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It was crazy. But the dog one also was like an
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hour. Every dog in the whole state of
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Massachusetts put a costume on and.
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Not just dogs, that's true. They had some cats.
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Cats. We saw a lizard.
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Yeah, like a big. Yeah.
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Reddish colored some, I don't know.
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Was it a Gila monster? Something like that.
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I have no idea. And there were turtles, Guinea
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pigs, you remember the dress up Guinea pigs.
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I mean people just really do it there.
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And again, that was something I was like, we should have a pet
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parade. We should for sure.
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I would go, I would bring my dog.
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I wouldn't bring my cat, but our kid might.
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But I, I don't know, like if anyone's into it, if enough
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people are into it in the area, like let's make it happen.
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Yes, costume pet parade come in for.
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It yeah, there were some really good ones I.
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Just we could maybe maybe the the town of Anoka, MN.
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They claim to be the capital of Halloween, I think.
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They are the Halloween capital. Something like that.
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Yeah. And actually, I did not do any
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preparation for this show, but I happen to know that there was a
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boy who went to DC and everybody in the town.
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And actually I can tell you a little bit more information
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about Hollow. I won't go too far into that.
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Actually, maybe we'll do that on another show.
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But there was a boy who went to DC and the president at the time
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had seen a button he was wearing.
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And the boy told the president all about Halloween.
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And the president was like, Anoka is the Halloween capital,
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huh? Yeah.
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Like signed a proclamation. Oh, I did not know that.
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Yeah. So it is official.
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It's official but sadly enough I have not been to the Anoka
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Halloween stuff. Which is crazy 'cause we're like
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30 ish minutes. This year that's gonna change,
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but one of the reasons why we are recording these a 'cause we
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love Halloween, but the we're kind of batch recording them is
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because we're going to be out of town for a little bit of time to
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celebrate Halloween. A little extra extra.
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Yeah, we've been. We've been saving up and
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waiting. Uh huh.
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I'm. Gonna go see the new Universal
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Studios expansion. Yes.
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Called Epic Universe and the main drive for us to go.
12:12
Yes. Was the Dark Universe.
12:14
Yes, which is the Universal Monsters, which they're classic
12:21
Wow for sure. They're Classic I.
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Dracula, the Mummy. Frankenstein.
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The Bride. The bride of Frank.
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Creature from the Black Lagoon, Invisible Man.
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Yeah, it's the Phantom of the Opera.
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Phantom of the Opera. It's a great lineup.
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It really is. I even in my Home Office, I have
12:41
pictures of all of the, well, several my favorite monsters
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from Universal with like a little bit of the cut of the
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film because, you know, I, I enjoy it.
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But when I heard that they were making a park to have this
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dedicated place, I was like, all about it, all about it.
13:01
So that's, that's the reason why.
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So, you know if if you're really wondering what the most current
13:07
stats are. We could put them out in like a
13:10
promo video. We'll figure it out.
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We'll at some point in one of our videos, you'll get caught
13:15
up. We'll get caught up.
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But the more important message and thought here was let's get
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them the spooky episodes that they deserve.
13:26
Absolutely everyone deserves it. Everyone deserves it.
13:29
I love it. I mean, I feel like the rest of
13:32
the year is not going to feel as fun to me because these these
13:36
are my favorite things. The darkest time of the year for
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you is the brightest. Yes, yes.
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But so we were talking though about going to Salem and we kind
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of got derailed when we were in Salem.
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Yes, in which city? Which?
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We went to a few museums while we were there.
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The Witch Museum. The Witch Museum, Yeah.
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Some great history about the Salem witch trials and the whole
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back story. And yeah, it's pretty messed up.
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It really, really was. And if you are thinking
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animatronics, that's what it's called, yeah, are creepy.
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You should totally go because they had good creepy
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animatronics that weren't supposed to be creepy.
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It was just meant to be educational.
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But. It was creepy.
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I yeah, it was a little creepy. I feel like they might have done
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it on purpose. It was kind of dark in there.
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No, I feel like it's just that old.
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That could be, yeah. Wasn't it an old church too?
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It was. An old church, Yeah.
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Mm. Hmm.
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Mm. Hmm.
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Yeah. Oh, and then we went to the.
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I don't think they were like the actual grave sites of the was it
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13 witches? I can't.
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Oh yes, no, we did. The number of witches but they
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had, I don't think it was their the thing where they had like
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people would go and like lay flowers and like the descendants
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would like write little letters to Yeah.
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Yeah, it was interesting. Like to their 13th great
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grandmother who was, you know, accused and convicted of being a
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witch and killed and. Yeah.
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Crazy, man, it was crazy. It was the other thing I thought
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was amazing was I mean, because you could read, you could read
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the letters because they were just put them on the the
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gravestones, memorial stones. I'm not sure, but there were a
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couple even from descendants of of the people who were like,
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you're a witch. Burn the witch.
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You know, the accusers. Yeah.
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And they're like, I'm so sorry that my family accused you of
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being a witch, witch, witch, witch, witch, witch, witch.
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Which is powerful to think about.
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You know it was. Humbling for sure.
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Yeah, yeah. Just to see like the hysteria,
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you know, for, for just, you know, little differences or
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maybe people. I mean, there's, there's a few
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theories as to why it happened, but very few of the theories
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include actual devil worship and brides of Satan or anything like
16:03
that. Like none of that was, you know,
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really, really a thing. But I, I love how they've as a
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city just said, yeah, OK, we have this really messed up
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history and we're not gonna hide from it.
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Yeah, you know they're going. To tell the story and.
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We're going to tell the story. And, and they adopted the, the
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good parts about like witch culture, kind of like they had a
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bunch of like stores where people would tell you like about
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the stories and some of the histories where how witchcraft
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has like helped people and how some of the, the, the reasons
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that even in older than our 1600s Salem witch trials, like
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back in Europe in like, I mean, I think it went on.
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Did they say for like like 1000 years before that?
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No, I feel like they were like a.
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Long time. 1200. But they talked about in another
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museum we went to how like the, the things that would get people
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convicted of witchcraft were actually really, they were like,
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actually good things. Like it would be the local
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medicine woman, so to speak, who would use at the time what would
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have been, you know, the sort of like the doctor or, you know,
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herbal remedies and, and things like that.
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And then, of course, they would be later, sadly accused of
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witchcraft. Yeah, yeah.
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Which is, you know, whenever. Cursing witch a lot.
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I am. I don't know.
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I do. I usually do.
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I don't know, maybe it's part of it.
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Maybe the hat? Is oh, it's on my mind.
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Yeah, it is. Wow, that wasn't not giving you
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props. Get out of here.
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I got you. You did.
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So anyhow, it was a really cool experience going to Salem and I
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would recommend it strongly to anyone who.
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For sure who? Likes anything spooky and
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especially witches. I you know, I remember that was
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probably a Halloween costume I wore at least three times.
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I I loved it even as an adult. We did a family witch costumes.
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Maybe we should link some of those pictures.
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We could. Some maybe we'll because we have
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a lot of pictures and I feel like I love all of it yes so.
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There was other great stuff about being in Salem.
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It's red suburbish, kind of a Boston, so it's like very close
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to the ocean and lots of good food and seafood if you're into
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that, which of course I am and our daughter is and you're not.
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I'm not they had a really good donut shop, which is kind of
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like this is going to sound like trash to just about anybody
18:52
who's like into really good Donuts, but it was good Donuts
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to me and it's this place Honeydew's, which is kind of
19:01
probably like, you know, Dunkin' Donuts just a little bit better.
19:05
I but. They have Dunkin' Donuts out
19:06
there. They do, actually, it's the home
19:08
of Dunkin' Donuts. However, I liked their Donuts
19:13
better at Honeydew's than I actually don't like Dunkin'
19:16
Donuts at all. Oh God, how many episodes do I
19:19
have to talk about Donuts for you all to understand how much I
19:23
like Donuts? We we like Donuts a lot a lot a.
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Lot that's one of the things we're excited about going to for
19:32
is to get some delicious Donuts That's right.
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So but that was a lot of fun going and getting the Donuts
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there and just walking through. It's not that big of a town.
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I will say it's probably not that accessible there's like 3
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bathrooms in the whole town. Oh.
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That's true, I remember that. Yeah, and actually I was on the
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Facebook the other day and there was this.
19:57
I survived. I survived which city bathroom?
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Which, seriously, it's like a three hour wait in line to go to
20:08
the bathroom. And if they have like one public
20:11
bathroom or two or something. There's two public bathrooms.
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It's not me. It's this is not a big city.
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Well, and I mean to its credit, it's old like they, you know,
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it's from, well, at least the 1600s.
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Yeah, yeah, it's really old. However, though they had this I
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survived thing and it's a bad weight to the bathroom.
20:34
So anyone going just know that across the hall, there was a
20:38
couple years ago a movie theater, and they said customers
20:45
only can use the bathroom. Yeah, but a $3 bucket of popcorn
20:49
makes you a customer. That's true.
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I was so upset because they weren't open when when we were
20:55
standing in line, I was like, I would spend $70 on a bucket of
20:59
popcorn because the line was so awful.
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But again, it just goes to show you it's a small city and it's
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not made for for that, for that amount of guests.
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But they I'm sure love having all those guests.
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I cannot, I bet all of their money for the year is made right
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there, you know, in the month of October.
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It's fun. I liked it.
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I would say though, the other thing that I really enjoyed
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about that trip was all day. There was something going on all
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day and they had like a cute little Samantha from Bewitched
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Sculpture. They did.
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Oh yeah, that's right. It's like a bronze statue of
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Bewitched. Which I I like witches a lot.
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So it was really fun. I when I was a kid, I used to Do
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you remember that one movie, The Witches that had?
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What was her name in it? Jessica Houston.
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Yes, yes. They ate the children.
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Yeah, they did a remake of that movie.
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They did with Anne Hathaway. Were they?
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Did they turn into mice? They turned.
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Or did they turn the kids into OK?
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Yes. I don't know.
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Did they? I can't.
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Maybe they didn't do that on purpose.
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The kids, they didn't turn the kids.
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I they definitely turned the kids into mice on purpose, but
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that's a really good classic film if you haven't.
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Seen it, Jessica? It's Angelica Houston.
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Oh, I and I let you say that 'cause I was like, Houston's
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right? Yeah, yeah.
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I bet. My bad.
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But the first one was definitely scarier to me than I was also
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younger, but she was just really good at being scary.
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The second one, although maybe it looks a little more realistic
22:51
and I appreciated watching it. I I mean, you throw a witch on a
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on a movie, I'm probably going to watch it.
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Probably. I feel like we.
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Have seen a lot of witch movies. We have, and I mean as our
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child's grown up, like there's this whole Halloween town.
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Did you ever watch those with her?
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No, it's the story of this teenage witch in high school,
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not to be confused with Sabrina the Teenage Witch, because this
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teenage witch lives in Halloween Town and she.
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Sabrina the Teenage Witch obviously doesn't, but she's a
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witch and her grandmother is played by Debbie Reynolds.
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Look at that. I had a.
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Name, name and names. And well, is it the best acting?
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However, it is a fun movie to watch with younger children.
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Good. I like it a lot.
23:47
I did watch a little bit when I was younger of Sabrina the
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Teenage Witch. Not my favorite but it's OK, a
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lot of people liked it. A lot of people, they did a
23:59
remake or something. Oh, they did a cartoon for a
24:02
little while. Maybe this was recent or maybe
24:04
they're going to do 1. I feel like it's coming out
24:06
again or something. Yeah, I think that's reasonable.
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It was a good. It's a good.
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I think it's with the some of the original cast.
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Oh, really? Yeah.
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Huh. Huh.
24:17
Yeah, I don't know. I think it's it's either out or
24:18
it's coming out soon. Well.
24:20
It went on for several seasons, so I feel like it's a good, it's
24:24
a well, Oh my gosh, I kind of forgot what, you know, the other
24:30
are they technically witches? Now let's think about it.
24:33
Harry Potter Is she a witch or? Is she?
24:36
So like all the girls are witches there?
24:38
What? How did that not even come to my
24:41
mind earlier? I was trying to think of you
24:44
know which options and which is out there.
24:46
Which options? And I don't know why I forgot
24:50
about that, but what great little witches there, you know,
24:53
Hermione and. Love Mcgonigal's one of my.
24:57
Favorites. Yeah, she's good.
24:59
She's good. Balloon a love God.
25:01
Lovegood. Lovegood yeah, there were a lot
25:04
in it. Just what a great fun story that
25:07
went on for years and book to movie to another place that we
25:12
will be visiting here soon. Yep, So a lot of fun and I think
25:17
that's that's the fun thing about witches and Halloween and
25:22
all of that is you know, we can enjoy things that maybe are a
25:26
little off. What is that word?
25:30
Counterculture? OK, but made for fun.
25:34
OK, Yeah. I agree.
25:36
Yeah, I like all that stuff. It's made for fun witches and
25:39
Wizards and well, as we've talked about on many episodes, a
25:43
lot of the sci-fi and fiction and fantasy.
25:47
Big fan of all that stuff. Are there a lot of witches in
25:50
your sci-fi? Well, yes, yes and no.
25:56
Yeah, there's so recent. Alien witches.
26:00
Yeah. So in Star Wars, because that's
26:04
got to come up frequently, they they had, they had like a like a
26:11
set of force. You know, the force in Star
26:15
Wars, I'm losing you already. They had a like a set of people
26:21
who use the force who they called, I think the coven.
26:27
We can't see your face on video. And they like use the force in a
26:33
witchy way. So they call them like kind of
26:36
witches. It was, it was cool actually to
26:38
see like a different take on it a little bit.
26:41
Well, and witches have been around for a really long time.
26:44
Think about I mean. They're still around.
26:47
You're right, but I like in stories and stuff like that,
26:50
right? So like you're Hansel and
26:53
Gretel? Oh yeah, you wanted to eat them
26:56
little kids. Yeah, yeah.
26:58
It's sort of interesting whenever history is like or
27:00
people are like, it's an independent woman.
27:02
She must be a witch. Oh, I think I thought it.
27:06
I know. Never mind, it'll come up later.
27:10
OK, anyway. So I guess I didn't realize
27:13
there were sci-fi witches, alien witches out there.
27:16
For sure, why not? What I know, I don't know.
27:20
It is sort of interesting when you take a look at things and it
27:23
just kind of pops up out of nowhere.
27:24
You're like this. Does that make does a witch make
27:25
sense or does a alien make sense in these things?
27:28
Like earlier I was talking, we were talking about it and I was
27:33
talking about Robin Hood and and Robin Hood men and tights had
27:37
the better. Such a good man.
27:39
That's got to be one of the best parody movies ever.
27:43
Well, yeah, what? Happened to good parody movies
27:45
like in the 80s and 90s we had strong parody.
27:49
Robin Hood Men and Tights, was one of them.
27:51
Scary Movie. Spaceballs.
27:54
Well, you mean Spaceballs 2 is coming out?
27:56
I know it's there's some good stuff.
27:58
Yeah, but we, I mean, I don't know, maybe maybe people are too
28:02
busy making superhero movies. There's been a lot of that.
28:06
I yeah, there has not been enough good witchy movies
28:11
lately. Maybe we just didn't know.
28:13
They they did hocus pocus too. They did.
28:15
That was good. The original was better.
28:18
Sure, I think most people I. Feel like the originals are
28:21
better. I don't know if I can come up
28:23
with a sequel that I liked better than the original.
28:28
I think it's kind of an unfair thing when you're like
28:30
originally with trilogies or well, like Harry Potter, right?
28:36
So there's one where the first one was not my favorite, but it
28:40
was kind of all made to be with my story.
28:42
So I don't feel like that's that's different.
28:44
But when you do a sequel that was never meant to be, but
28:47
someone's like, dude, it made money.
28:50
Yeah, we need to do it again. Yeah.
28:53
Yeah. Which is something that Disney
28:55
is, really. Thank you, everyone.
28:58
All that. I mean, universal and like,
29:00
there's so many. Yeah, yeah.
29:03
And this money they go for. It you're right, like think of
29:05
Dracula and how many Dracula movies, Oh my goodness, they're
29:08
worth Dracula and. So many.
29:10
Yeah, you're right. I guess everybody does it.
29:14
No wonder how many Dracula. I bet you that's like maybe one
29:16
of the most prolific, Yeah, like horror type monster stories.
29:23
That and Frankenstein, I think. I bet you those are like the two
29:26
most. Well, that is the original
29:29
sci-fi. Right.
29:30
Frankenstein. Mary Shelley.
29:32
Yeah, yeah. 18. I wonder if anyone thought she
29:35
was a bit writing such stories? 18201830 something.
29:39
Yeah, yeah. And she was like 19.
29:42
I know. Super young.
29:44
You got to wonder what was happening in her life to have
29:46
written a story about the basically the modern Prometheus.
29:49
Like just create life. Well, I don't know.
29:54
I feel like there's probably a lot of creativity in young
29:57
women. Like, well, for sure, think
29:59
about the witch trials. The Salem witch trials were
30:01
because these young girls were like, I'm bored.
30:04
Why are people coming after young women to creativity
30:07
calling them witches? It's messed up.
30:09
I mean, I think we know why. Well, I'm saying it's messed up
30:12
though. Yeah, yeah.
30:13
So I don't know, it's just I, I really think that there's some
30:18
good media though and fun things to think about with which is
30:23
that? Well, let me ask you a question.
30:26
Oh boy, I don't even know if I'm ready.
30:30
Here's the moment you've all been waiting for.
30:32
People in this corner claiming to weigh in at 135 lbs and with
30:38
substantial otherworldly powers. We have Amber.
30:45
And in this corner we have Luke who is wearing a red beard and a
30:51
really honestly like this is the legit awesome hoodie if anyone
30:56
isn't looking. Again.
30:58
You should look at this. I wanted this when he bought it
31:02
and. I always want my clothes.
31:06
Yeah, but he he bought it, so you should appreciate it.
31:09
Anyhow, in this corner we have Luke and we again are not doing
31:13
the tally. I'm probably winning still.
31:16
You probably aren't. I feel like by this time when
31:19
this airs, maybe we're tied even.
31:20
We might be. We might be.
31:23
So I have a question though, for you, Luke.
31:25
And that is, we've been talking about witches.
31:28
Yep. Who's your favorite witch of all
31:32
time? I don't know that I had adequate
31:36
time to prepare and as a well known to anyone watching the
31:42
podcast, The Chief non researcher of the two of us, I'm
31:48
a little concerned because Amber comes to me sometimes with some
31:52
real good counters when I don't know they're coming.
31:55
And this is one of those. I don't know what she's coming
31:57
at me with. She kept it a secret again.
32:00
So my favorite witch, I'm almost certain I know who yours is and
32:06
I'm real upset about it. My favorite witch and the one
32:11
that would be the contender is the Wicked Witch of the West.
32:17
Witch. Witch.
32:18
We keep saying witch who, she who, who for?
32:26
I mean for a long time is like the witch you talk about.
32:35
Duration. I mean, that movie came out in
32:40
1936. Oh, you did research?
32:44
I did not you just. Knew I.
32:46
Literally just know that I really don't research, you know
32:48
that anyway. And it was the first color movie
32:56
motion picture as they said back in the day ever.
33:01
And that, I mean, if you have to think about movies, that is
33:09
probably, I'm going to just say it, the most iconic movie of all
33:17
time to date. Not that there haven't
33:19
necessarily been like better stories or, you know, better
33:25
quality, all of that, yes. But the way they laid that story
33:30
out was just genius. And I know my argument isn't
33:33
about what's the best movie ever, but I do have to give
33:36
credit where credit is due. I mean, they started the movie
33:39
in black and white. They had the whole farm girl
33:41
thing going on and the tour. Minnesota Zone.
33:44
Judy Garland. Yep, Minnesota zone and the
33:48
tornado thing. And then she gets transported
33:51
through a tornado to the land of Oz and she lands and then all of
33:54
a sudden it's color. And then you got Munchkin Land
33:57
and you got the the good witch Glenda.
34:00
And you got, I mean the story with the Wicked Witch of the
34:03
East and she gets planned by the house.
34:05
And then I mean the slippers and the pause Toto.
34:10
Pause. I'm not I you're not pausing,
34:12
but I'll tell you. Just wait.
34:13
Just wait. Did you know that the Rubies
34:17
slippers were in a museum here in Minnesota?
34:20
I did not know that. And did you know that there was
34:23
like a whole heist of those Ruby slippers?
34:26
They've got to be worth a bunch of money.
34:27
Yes, they were. And I actually know a lot.
34:30
Debbie Reynolds, again, is involved in this story.
34:33
So someone was able to access those things because back in the
34:37
day, people weren't thinking about Hollywood iconic items
34:41
being worthwhile. And there was a friend of
34:45
Dorothy who saw the shoes and was like, these need to be
34:50
saved. And so they were saved.
34:52
They were one of seven pairs that was saved and they brought
34:55
them to Minnesota. And there's just do research.
34:59
It's sort of amazing how they were stolen and it.
35:02
Yeah. And but they've been found.
35:04
Well, that's good. Yeah.
35:06
So anyway, so back to my little rant on maybe the best movie
35:10
ever. The whole thing.
35:11
She's there. And then she's got her, you
35:14
know, family. They show up as they.
35:16
She's got the cowardly Lion and the scare.
35:18
I mean, and watching that as a kid, I mean that witch with her
35:25
bright green skin and that long nose and the wicked cackle and
35:31
the. I'll get you my pretty.
35:35
I mean, epic. Like, super epic.
35:39
And the little dog, Toto, she's like your little dog, too.
35:44
I mean, terrifying. And then she had an army of
35:48
flying monkeys. Yeah.
35:49
Who wasn't scared of those flying monkeys?
35:52
I was terrified. I mean, seriously.
35:55
Terrified. And the evil that was portrayed,
36:00
I'm, I'm just, I'm in love with the whole story.
36:05
It's so wonderful. And her presence as a witch and
36:13
her power, I mean, she had essentially taken over one of
36:17
the four quarters of the Land of Oz and was challenging it for
36:21
Ultimate Rain to take down. The wizard is pretty strong.
36:26
I mean, she wasn't some sidebar witch and like a hovel that
36:31
like, you know, was cast in spells trying to eat Hansel and
36:35
Gretel. And she wasn't like, you know,
36:38
she wasn't like a minor witch. She was a big time witch.
36:42
She was like a witch with aspirations of glory.
36:45
And she was getting close now. She didn't know Dorothy was
36:49
coming. And she had that pure clean
36:52
water. She didn't know that was coming.
36:55
But I mean, as a witch, she was terrifying.
37:02
I bet you, you know what? I probably had nightmares about
37:04
her too because she was so scary and like for, I mean, that's all
37:11
coming up on, well, not coming up soon, but relatively soon.
37:15
That movie will be 100 years old, which is pretty crazy to
37:19
think about. Iconic.
37:21
And I wonder it may have even. I think it preceded like most of
37:25
the monster movies that were also totally epic.
37:29
Because weren't those like 40s? No.
37:31
I would disagree with you. Well, you, I don't know, I mean,
37:34
it could be wrong. It doesn't matter anyway.
37:37
So, So for me, she is the best witch, the winningest of
37:46
witches. And I'm sure you have a good
37:50
counter and I might even come up with some extra stuff because I
37:54
did as as usual, 0 research. That's what I got.
37:59
I'm throwing it down. The Wicked Witch of the West,
38:01
what's her name is? Is her name Elphaba or is that
38:04
from the story Wicked? What was her?
38:08
Do you remember her name from the book?
38:10
The I think I have the book. What's the book Frank?
38:14
Frank L Baum Is Beth the writer. Was it called?
38:20
I don't know if she had a name in the Wizard of Oz.
38:23
Was it called the Wizard of Oz? No, it wasn't.
38:26
The book? I wonder what it was called, I
38:30
can't remember. I yeah, I can't my.
38:32
Brain isn't currently on. I'm sorry, the floor is yours,
38:36
The Wizard of Oz. From the Wizard of Oh What?
38:41
Like that's that's where the OK. What?
38:46
I mean. I I feel like I'm walking into a
38:48
trap. You are walking into a trap.
38:50
Uh oh, you are walking into. This is not good.
38:54
And. You look like you're struggling
39:01
over there. I really, really am.
39:03
Because if I were to pick one. Did I pick her?
39:11
It would no. I'd be tied between 2:00.
39:14
Oh well, let's hear the two and then you can you can work there.
39:17
I'll. Decide.
39:18
OK, OK, here we go. So the Wicked Witch from the
39:23
Wizard of Oz? Of the West, OK, sure 'cause her
39:27
sister was crushed by Dorothy's house.
39:31
Yes, Gary, I agree. But I want like US, women are
39:38
more than just one dimension. For sure.
39:41
And I feel like it just only showed a scary woman who was
39:45
just in that movie. It was, you know, Ding Dong, the
39:48
witch is dead. And like, everybody was so happy
39:50
about this evil woman dying, OK? Witch is.
39:55
Dead right that you're not going to get that out of your head so
39:59
this is OK I'm going to talk about two witches the.
40:07
This is hard because so I'm you know what?
40:10
No, I'm going to go with my favorite witch.
40:12
Out with it. A Sanderson sister.
40:16
OK, that's not what I thought you were going to do.
40:18
What did you think I was going to say?
40:19
No, I'm not going to tell you no.
40:20
You can tell me because it's not.
40:21
It wouldn't. I have no reason to not say, but
40:24
my other one will. I'll write it down.
40:26
Yeah, we got to make sure you're not.
40:28
I'm not cheating because if you. Come out, you're like, oh,
40:30
you're right, that is the best pick.
40:32
OK, I'm writing it down. Did you say uh Sanders, the
40:35
Sanders and sisters or uh Sanderson sisters?
40:38
Because you can't really say the Sanderson sisters, because you'd
40:41
be like, that's not fair. That's not one witch picking
40:43
three. Yes, but.
40:45
Winifred, were you OK? Winifred.
40:46
Who's the chief sister? Yeah.
40:48
But wait, what was your other one?
40:50
Was it Glenda? No, no, no.
40:53
What was it? Let's have it.
40:56
From Wicked. From Wicked.
41:00
Oh, from wicked the the yes. OK, the follow up.
41:04
Yes. She was pretty great and that
41:06
movie just came out. I read all of those books before
41:09
the. Movie And we saw the show, the
41:11
Broadway show. Yeah.
41:12
So I feel like the character development there is very
41:16
different for sure. And she was very misunderstood
41:19
in all of that. I don't think in The Wizard of
41:21
Oz she was misunderstood. She was supposed to be evil and
41:24
she was evil. And now I feel like I need to
41:27
read the story that was written. I feel like there's probably not
41:31
much there about her except for she's bad and she makes monkey
41:36
but in the Wicked movie, which I personally think was phenomenal.
41:41
Fantastic. But.
41:43
The second ones coming out, it's like in the it's.
41:46
Coming out soon. In spring or is it this year
41:48
anyway? So I read all the books, the
41:50
Wicked series, Yeah. And after that we had gone to a
41:54
play. And I love plays.
41:56
I love live theater. I love all of that.
41:59
I usually, I don't think I've ever compared.
42:02
Oh, of course I have. I'm just gonna say like all of
42:04
freaking Shakespeare. I've compared to the the plays
42:08
that I've read, but when I saw Wicked on stage, I was like, and
42:13
this is really hot take and this is going to get a lot of people
42:17
hot take. I was like, only because there
42:23
was so much background feeling going on in the books that on
42:27
stage you just can't do. Sure.
42:29
And I was like that. It felt flat compared to it
42:32
didn't feel like a good way of telling it, telling the story.
42:34
But in the Wicked movie. The movie, they did it.
42:37
They got all of that expression, all of the feeling.
42:40
It's like she, I can't even remember her name and it's
42:43
bonkers that I can't. But she was so good, so
42:47
powerful, obviously great, phenomenal singer, all of that.
42:51
But like, she brought that character of what I read to
42:54
life. Cynthia Areevo.
42:55
Yeah. Fantastic.
42:58
Awesome. So that was going to be one of
43:00
my two. I see.
43:01
But see, then you went with the Wicked Witch and I was like, oh,
43:05
I can't do the. Same person.
43:07
Yeah, so, but I had to, I had to clarify for a very good reason,
43:10
because these are two different characters.
43:12
I mean, they end up being the same, but they're, she may have
43:18
been my number one, except for for me, nostalgia really doesn't
43:22
matter, which is why the Wicked Witch of the West from Wizard of
43:25
Oz, valid choice. Nostalgia like that is something
43:28
you've grown up with. Oh yeah.
43:30
Everyone did. Yeah, for me though, Winifred
43:34
and the reason why is she was a part of a three sisters thing,
43:38
which is covens are kind of a big deal.
43:41
You know, she's not a stand alone.
43:42
She's not doing it on her own. She might be able to, but she's
43:45
not. She needs her sisters, she does,
43:48
to be fully powerful in the way she is.
43:51
And she actually like, well, maybe has some evil thoughts and
43:58
evil doings. Like she has with the eating of
44:02
children. Well, that's just to, you know,
44:05
live forever. That's whatever.
44:07
Oh, I just thought of another good witch from Stardust, the
44:12
book and movie. I don't remember which in there
44:15
so, but back to my witch Winifred.
44:19
So she was the smart sister, the most powerful and really she
44:27
what she was doing, she was trying to do for her sisters
44:30
too. And she was funny and she could
44:33
sing, right? Like, I mean, Bette Midler, come
44:36
on, You can't really beat that. And she.
44:40
But she was so fun, I mean, as a character.
44:44
And she had this love of this book, right?
44:48
A love of a book. Yeah, which?
44:51
The book had an eyeball. Yeah, that was her her thing.
44:55
And but she was funny and she was fun and the way she was
45:01
represented in Hocus Pocus and Hocus Pocus too, was the fun of
45:07
Halloween. Like it's just meant Halloween
45:10
to me. Everything fun, little spooky
45:14
but mostly fun and like just enjoyable and.
45:17
Set in Salem. Right.
45:20
And then we saw the house when we were in actual Salem that was
45:23
from the movie. Of course I had no choice, but
45:26
of course, and the high school, we saw the high school.
45:29
And the house? Allison's house.
45:32
Mm hmm. I love that movie.
45:36
And nowadays Disney has something called Mickey's Not So
45:44
Scary Halloween Party. And at this Halloween party,
45:48
they have the Sanderson sisters, a Sanderson sisters show, which
45:53
is so much fun. Yes, for me also, I have two
45:58
sisters, but I have way more than two sisters.
46:00
But I was raised in a household with two sisters.
46:03
Yes, so and we did a lot of fighting like they did, but also
46:09
like now today we have a really great relationship.
46:12
Yes I like I'm trying to get and sisters to get like Sanderson
46:16
sister tattoos. So how could I not pick
46:20
Sanderson sisters? I, you know, I guess.
46:23
And when a Fred being. Just which one would you be?
46:26
Well, I which? Which?
46:28
Which which I don't really care honestly, I would let them
46:32
decide if one of them I would she'd get a taxi for anything.
46:36
So I'm not really concerned there.
46:38
But I'm like whatever 1 you all want, I'll get the other one
46:43
because I really just want it and you know, like if.
46:45
They you they would think you are the powerful one or.
46:50
I am the youngest. Or the cute 1, I don't know.
46:53
I mean, could be both or or the funny funny one in the middle.
47:00
I am pretty freaking funny sometimes, that's true.
47:04
But anyhow, So like, how could I not go with that?
47:07
I really do love the Hocus Pocus movie.
47:11
I love like I have bought several hocus pocus things and
47:16
right now as I sit this will be up.
47:20
I have like 3 hocus pocus brooms and I'm gonna have one for me.
47:24
And I'm gonna get yours. Yeah, give, give my sisters
47:27
theirs. So yeah, it's gotta be.
47:29
And she pulls the family together.
47:31
That's why I, I really think that she's the best and she's
47:37
got a little bit more evil than the other two, which is fun.
47:40
So that would I, I have to go with her just based on like the
47:45
length, the longevity. You were talking about staying
47:48
power. I mean, that movie has been
47:49
around for a long time. But for me also in my life, it's
47:52
been every every year. I watch it at least once.
47:58
So I don't watch Wizard of Oz ever.
48:02
True. I've seen it a few times,
48:04
probably more than a few times, and I know a lot about it.
48:07
And Wicked, I've only really watched twice now I will say
48:10
great. And I've watched other Wicked
48:12
things. Yeah, do.
48:14
You wonder what I thought you were gonna pick.
48:15
What did you think I was gonna pick?
48:17
And I thought you, I mean, you can't pick it now.
48:19
I'm not going to. I thought you were gonna take me
48:21
down with it, Maleficent. She's so fairy, Oh my gosh.
48:26
Wasn't she witchy? She was a.
48:29
Fairy. Oh good, thank.
48:31
She cast a spell on. Fairy.
48:34
Whoa. What?
48:35
I mean, OK, OK with the, the the.
48:38
Technicalities really matter. I couldn't pick her.
48:42
She's a fairy. OK, fair enough.
48:45
But. Fairy enough.
48:48
So anyhow, that's that's my choice and I know that the
48:52
Wicked Witch of the West, although might be more iconic
49:00
for folks one. 100%. I feel there's just so much more
49:04
fun and story and enjoyment behind Winifred and her two
49:09
sisters. Well, I think that the Wicked
49:13
Witch of the West would say to the Sanderson sisters, I'll get
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you my pretties. I feel like she'd appreciate
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them because she was all about that's my sister.
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You dropped a house on her. I will get you.
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But I'll ask yourself this question.
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Who would be in charge if they joined up?
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Maybe the Wicked Witch of the West.
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She already had an empire and a castle.
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Just say. That matters.
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I don't think that matters. And an army of monkeys that
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flew. Creepy, creepy and a haunted
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forest. Yeah, all kinds of stuff.
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Anyway, we we have made our cases, I think.
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You know, when I was a kid and actually for several years.
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Oh, you weren't done. No, I'm not.
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But it has nothing to do with it has to do with witches.
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OK, Should I force the folks into hearing a song about
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witches or no? Yes.
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OK, so I'm really great at singing and you're all gonna
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turn off I'm so. Excited.
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But on Halloween, we have this, this custom.
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Oh, I'm gonna call it custom. Oh, I know what you're talking
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about. This is adorable.
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Yeah, where we'll sing a song and it's the witch, the witch,
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the ugly old witch. Oh, what a terrible sight.
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She flies through clouds as black guest pitch and flies on
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Halloween night. Oh, oh, oh, boom, boom, yeah.
50:43
There you go. It's a great little family song
50:45
that your mom does and then see you do it.
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Yeah, I had to share. Super cute.
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And I'm sure everybody's like, oh, we're for.
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Sure, and she does. We might have lost a subscriber.
50:54
Maybe. I hope not.
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We probably. I was being vulnerable, I.
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Really hope that people actually are like, whoa, I've never heard
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that because I had never heard that.
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Really. Yeah, of course.
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You had it and. They're like, wait, I'm going to
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play that back and we're going to make it a little Halloween
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sing along tradition at our dinner table.
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Yes, when we're eating our Jelly eyeballs and our Frankenstein
51:15
Rice Krispies and. I really hope that what we talk
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about over the spooky season does inspire you to bring more
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traditions and put them out there because I love seeing it.
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So now I want you all to go online through Spotify.
51:35
Vote in the. Poll already online.
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Oh, I suppose no, they kind of downloaded.
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It OK, but they were at one point on the Internet.
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Well, and and and vote for the one who really brought it.
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Wow, you did bring that. I mean for as far as costumes
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go, I got the best I could have. Got a witch hat technically.
51:54
I also, yeah, yeah, you could have.
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You did. You and our daughter, yeah, very
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much rocked it because she's got that epic spider one.
52:03
Yes, yes. So we were talking about how
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people could help us out. That's true.
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They could share this with their friends and family.
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They could. Either by sharing it through the
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Internet or by word of mouth. Yes.
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We'll take either one. Follow us.
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Yes, like tell your friends in other states, hopefully
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Massachusetts. Let's get some of them on board.
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Yeah, I want Massachusetts. I totally Salem.
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For them, oh, we have a friend who has a sister, cousin,
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somebody who lives in Massachusetts.
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Maybe we could get a little, oh, I suppose a little
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recommendation going. All right, well, that is it for.
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Today, Wicked Witch, that's the one to vote for.
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No winner, Fred. Winner Fred Anderson.
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Those are the choices you have in front of you people.
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All right, stay spooky. See you next time.