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Patriots Catch-22 1/7: Chargers Preview, Up/Down vs. Dolphins, League News · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 2: Everybody nailed it. Joined has always by our bark gap.
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  Speaker 3: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.
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  Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing about this game that worries
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  Speaker 4: me attat is that this is a Dolphins team that
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  Speaker 4: can run the football and run it well. They are
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  Speaker 4: top ten in the league in e P A h Hn
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  Speaker 4: leads the league in explosive runs.
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  Speaker 2: He has forty runs over.
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  Speaker 4: Ten plus yards this series, having the fantastic season. So
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  Speaker 4: they can run the ball. They can run it out
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  Speaker 4: of heavy personnel. They're gonna put the full back and
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  Speaker 4: gold he's gonna play. They're gonna put the tight ends
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  Speaker 4: out there. They're gonna run it heavy, and then they're
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  Speaker 4: gonna run play action off the run, heavy.
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  Speaker 2: Looks and they start fast.
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  Speaker 4: And what has the one thing that the Patriots defense
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  Speaker 4: has had trouble when not started fast? Not starting fast?
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  Speaker 4: In my defense, we did not know a Hen wasn't
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  Speaker 4: gonna play.
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  Speaker 3: If he played, that probably would have aged a little
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  Speaker 3: bit better.
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  Speaker 4: But the starfast part I was dead on about you
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  Speaker 4: and I have a take on that that We'll get
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  Speaker 4: to you here in a little bit about the Patriots defense.
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  Speaker 4: But hello, it's Evan Lazard's Alex Barth, It's Ace behind
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  Speaker 4: the glass. It's Catch twenty two with you for the
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  Speaker 4: next couple of hours. Playoffs, Barth, playofflayoffs.
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  Speaker 3: This is the first playoff edition in Catch twenty two.
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  Speaker 4: This is the first playoff edition of Catch twenty two.
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  Speaker 4: It's the first time that I am covering or working
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  Speaker 4: a playoff game as a team.
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  Speaker 2: Employee, so that's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 4: This is all a bunch of first for a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people, which is another thing I want to talk
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  Speaker 4: about here in a second. But I think the excitement
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  Speaker 4: is palpable. We haven't been around the team since Sunday
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  Speaker 4: night after the win over the Dolphins, so I'm interested.
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited to see the energy in the locker room
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  Speaker 4: here today when we get to go in there today.
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  Speaker 4: Here from head coach Mike Frable, Here from Drake May
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  Speaker 4: of course, also, we'll be out at practice around two
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  Speaker 4: o'clock this afternoon, and there's some big key pieces that
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  Speaker 4: may or may not be there with us, right, you know, Roberts, Bulane,
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  Speaker 4: Chius Tonga, Jared Wilson, Harold Landry. So the Patriots have
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  Speaker 4: some injuries, not quite like the Chargers do, but they
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  Speaker 4: have some questionable guys that I'm interested to see if
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  Speaker 4: those guys will be out at practice. So obviously we're
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  Speaker 4: gonna be Chargers heavy in the show. I do have
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  Speaker 4: some leftover thoughts on this Dolphins game. More big picture,
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  Speaker 4: We're not going to do a full the good, the bad,
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  Speaker 4: and the stuff that gets you beat from the Dolphins
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  Speaker 4: game because I think all of us have moved on
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  Speaker 4: rather quickly to this.
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  Speaker 1: Playoff game and to the playoffs. So just a couple
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  Speaker 1: of things.
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  Speaker 4: That were on my mind in terms of the big
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  Speaker 4: picture here moving forward for the Patriots, We're gonna do
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  Speaker 4: our I was gonna say Dolphins, We're gonna do our
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  Speaker 4: Chargers preview in the first hour of the show, because
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to short change you, guys. I want
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  Speaker 4: to make sure that we do a thorough preview of
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  Speaker 4: the Chargers and the Patriots on Sunday night, So we'll
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  Speaker 4: get to that as well, and then we'll take all
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  Speaker 4: your lovely calls and emails. But I want to start
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  Speaker 4: with the few leftovers from the Dolphins game. These are
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  Speaker 4: more like I said, gearing towards the big picture, not
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  Speaker 4: necessarily talking about the way this game unfolded, but a
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  Speaker 4: couple of things that I think are worthy of noting
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  Speaker 4: from this football game. I think the first thing, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, I have some takes on the way the
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  Speaker 4: game was played a little bit, but the number one
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  Speaker 4: thing to me to come out of this game is
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  Speaker 4: that you saw a healthy will Campbell and Milton Williams
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  Speaker 4: on Sunday afternoon, and I thought both guys. You know,
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  Speaker 4: we can individually break down both individually here at a second,
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  Speaker 4: but I thought both guys looked healthy and looked like
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  Speaker 4: they were moving well, looked like they had their juice
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  Speaker 4: or their explosiveness, especially Milton Williams. Not that Campbell didn't,
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  Speaker 4: but it just more of a position that lends itself
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  Speaker 4: to that sort of thing, which I think is extremely important.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Milton Williams is the type of guy that
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  Speaker 4: his first step and his get off off the ball
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  Speaker 4: is his game. You know, if he doesn't have that
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  Speaker 4: because he can't push off on that ankle, then you
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  Speaker 4: will be a little bit more concerned about him his
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  Speaker 4: impact moving forward. And I just thought, just starting with
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  Speaker 4: Milton Williams. You could feel the ripple effect of him
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  Speaker 4: being on the field instantly. And he only played about
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  Speaker 4: twenty five twenty six snaps in this game because he
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  Speaker 4: was already going to probably be a little bit limited
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  Speaker 4: coming back from the injury. And then they didn't play
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  Speaker 4: any of the starters in the fourth quarter, so he
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  Speaker 4: didn't play a ton. But I thought there were four
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  Speaker 4: or five instances where I felt like he's back, oh,
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  Speaker 4: either by his own individual play or the trickle down
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  Speaker 4: effect of him being out there.
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  Speaker 2: You know I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 4: You know, of course his tackle for loss that third down,
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  Speaker 4: third and one stop that Corey Durton made. You know,
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  Speaker 4: Milton Williams is winning on his block on Cole Strange
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  Speaker 4: as well, and they just see Corey Durton then get
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  Speaker 4: a match up and get a one on one and
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  Speaker 4: he wins there. And they're not getting seeing as many
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  Speaker 4: double teams inside for Dirden and Christian Barmore like you've
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  Speaker 4: been seeing for the past month without Milton Williams.
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  Speaker 2: Christian Barmore is.
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  Speaker 4: Sack, the line slides and opens towards Milton Williams, he
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  Speaker 4: gets a one on one, he wins. You know, Marcus
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  Speaker 4: Jones's sacks, same kind of thing. He gets a one
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  Speaker 4: on one there on the guard on the blitz and
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  Speaker 4: every all eyes are on Milton Williams and ninety And
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  Speaker 4: that's the formula for this team. From a pass rus standpoint,
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  Speaker 4: you know, stopping to run, getting a guy back that
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  Speaker 4: can get off blocks and can make plays on the
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  Speaker 4: other side of the line of scrimmage was huge. But
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  Speaker 4: also from a pass rus standpoint, there's just a hierarchy,
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  Speaker 4: kind of like we talk about with receivers Alex.
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  Speaker 2: When you have a guy like Milton Williams.
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  Speaker 4: Who draws doubles, who draws extra attention, who can beat
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  Speaker 4: the best guy on the line from the opponent. Now,
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  Speaker 4: if up bar and Moore, it frees up the edges,
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  Speaker 4: it frees up blitzers, it frees up some of the
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  Speaker 4: secondary interior rushers. It just kind of makes everybody's job
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  Speaker 4: a little bit easier.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does. And I had talked about this
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  Speaker 1: a little bit when he got hurt. Some of these
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  Speaker 1: guys you don't necessarily see the impact. You see what
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  Speaker 1: their impact is more when they're off the field than
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  Speaker 1: when they're on the field.
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  Speaker 3: And I think mil Williams is one of those players.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people realize just how
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  Speaker 1: well he was playing until he wasn't out there, right,
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  Speaker 1: and you saw the impact of that. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: great point by you talking about how he freed up
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  Speaker 1: some other guys to make plays. Now, I think him
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  Speaker 1: and Will Campbell didn't look like a lot of Russ
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  Speaker 1: felt good where those guys are at, and it was
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  Speaker 1: good the Patriots were able to get a lead and
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  Speaker 1: you know, get those guys out didn't really have to
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  Speaker 1: play the fourth quarter. I thought they both played. You know,
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  Speaker 1: mill Williams obviously had a more rotational position. I think
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  Speaker 1: Will Campbell played every snap. I'm pretty sure before they
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  Speaker 1: pulled the starters there in the fourth quarter. Milton Williams didn't,
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  Speaker 1: but the defensive tackle usually doesn't. But I thought he
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  Speaker 1: played a representative amount. Nothing on top of them playing well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about you. I didn't see anything in
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  Speaker 1: there that to me looked like, well, okay, like he's
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  Speaker 1: going to be limited, he's going to be on a
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  Speaker 1: snap count.
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  Speaker 3: Both guys looked fully good to go.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, And with Campbell, I thought that there
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  Speaker 4: were some rustiness, maybe a little bit in his pass protection,
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  Speaker 4: you know, getting bull rushed a couple of times by
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  Speaker 4: Bradley Chubb, But overall, I thought his run game tape
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  Speaker 4: was really good in this game, and he settled down
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  Speaker 4: quite a bit in pass protection, and it certainly wasn't
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  Speaker 4: bad by any stretch of the imagination. There's just maybe
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  Speaker 4: a couple of pressures that he gave up there to
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  Speaker 4: Chubb to power that when you haven't he'd been in
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  Speaker 4: a pass set in an NFL game in five weeks.
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  Speaker 4: And then yeah, Bradley Chubb coming off your head and
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  Speaker 4: putting his hands on you. It's a little bit different
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  Speaker 4: than getting those reps.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a guy that he's never had a
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  Speaker 1: like really significant football injury before, so he did in college.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I think there was that story right where he was
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  Speaker 1: hurting in high school, but he played in the state.
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  Speaker 3: Championship or the game for state championship anyway, whatever it was.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, he never really had to make that
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  Speaker 1: adjostment before, and he made it.
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  Speaker 4: That's exactly why I think, you know, both of us
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  Speaker 4: were on this same page, was that that's why I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to see these two guys play in Week eight team, right,
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  Speaker 4: because now you know, Will Campbell has you know, felt
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  Speaker 4: the power of an NFL rusher before he faces the
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  Speaker 4: Chargers and Khalil Mack and Tully tool up to. I
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  Speaker 4: Can'm not going to truly polo to.
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  Speaker 1: I know how to pronounce it. I know how to
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  Speaker 1: pronounce it, but I have to read it to pronounce it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, uh two week Polow too. I don't why put an
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  Speaker 3: extra to.
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  Speaker 4: Polow two and Mac are both like big, burly, heavy
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  Speaker 4: handed rushers, And if that was his very first game
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  Speaker 4: action in six weeks, I would have been, you know,
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  Speaker 4: small sea concerned about it. So getting both those guys
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  Speaker 4: integrated and back in the mix, I think was huge.
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  Speaker 4: And like I said that, even though it didn't they
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  Speaker 4: didn't have a chance. So that is obviously a huge
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  Speaker 4: caveat to the run defense for the Patriots in this game.
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  Speaker 4: Statistics speaking, this was one of their best run defense
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  Speaker 4: performances of the year in terms of EPA. It was
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  Speaker 4: their best run defense performance of the year, So even
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  Speaker 4: against Oli Gordon and Jalen Wright, you know, and it's
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  Speaker 4: a good scheme, you know, it's a good run scheme
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  Speaker 4: that Mike McDaniel runs to be able to go out
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  Speaker 4: there and really shut down the Dolphins rushing attack after
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  Speaker 4: having a lot of issues stopping the run without Milton Williams.
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  Speaker 2: It was like almost.
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  Speaker 4: Instantaneous, and they don't even have you know, Tonga and
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  Speaker 4: Splaine back yet. So I think that was really refreshing,
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  Speaker 4: really good to see on all fronts. Was those two
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  Speaker 4: guys back out there healthy. The other thing, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a couple more things. The other big picture topic I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to hit on was this run game and Ramondre
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  Speaker 4: Stevenson's resurgence here in second half push and Trevon Henderson's
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  Speaker 4: had his moments in the second half year of the
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  Speaker 4: season of course as well, and in the last month
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  Speaker 4: when I'm you know, thinking about these stats that you
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  Speaker 4: know I can throw out there. You know, number one
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  Speaker 4: in the league in the last month in EPA per rush,
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  Speaker 4: number one in the league in yards per carry, number
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  Speaker 4: one in the league. An explosive run rate since Week fifteen. Now,
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  Speaker 4: the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets don't have good run defenses.
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  Speaker 4: You know that that's fair, they don't. You know, the
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  Speaker 4: Dolphins is more average than bad. But you know, all
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  Speaker 4: three of those teams are in the bottom half of
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  Speaker 4: the league. The Ravens have a good run defense. The
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  Speaker 4: Patriots couldn't run the ball a ton because they were
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  Speaker 4: down by ten points in the fourth quarter against Baltimore.
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  Speaker 4: But if you look at the individual stats, Ormanrie Stevenson
• 10:34
  Speaker 4: was averaging over six yards of carry against Baltimore before
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  Speaker 4: the lead got you know them out of the run
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  Speaker 4: game and got them into a drop that pass game script.
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  Speaker 4: So they were running the ball well in Baltimore too.
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  Speaker 4: They just couldn't continue to run the football in the
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  Speaker 4: second half of that game. So all a long winded
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  Speaker 4: way of saying, this run game has kind of found
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  Speaker 4: itself a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 4: I want to kind of break that down a little
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  Speaker 4: bit because three out of these four games or without
• 11:01
  Speaker 4: Will Campbell, a couple of them were without Jared Wilson.
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  Speaker 4: So I know a lot of people have asked me
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  Speaker 4: on Twitter and stuff, is that a common thread there?
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  Speaker 4: You know, is there a reason that the veteran guys
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  Speaker 4: like Low and Ben Brown they've had better run success?
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  Speaker 4: And the other thing that I think is really, you know,
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  Speaker 4: mostly important, you know, on your side of the street
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  Speaker 4: here a little bit, it's January. It's playoff football, right,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not saying you have to run the ball forty
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  Speaker 4: times against the charge.
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  Speaker 3: You have to be able to run the ball successfully.
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: You have to have balance, you have to be able
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: to run the ball a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody's going to want to tackle.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody's gonna want to tackle. If you get inclement weather,
• 11:37
  Speaker 4: which I think you might on Sunday, it might be raining.
• 11:41
  Speaker 4: If you get inclement weather, that's going to be huge.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: This is an important piece to this puzzle. And I
• 11:46
  Speaker 4: think the biggest thing to me, you know, more so
• 11:48
  Speaker 4: than the weather thing, because you know that's not really
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  Speaker 4: my thing, but the balance of the offense that it
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  Speaker 4: gives you, even if they're not like a great situational
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  Speaker 4: running team, because they still have some issues on yardage
• 12:00
  Speaker 4: power situations, if they can run for explosives, if they
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  Speaker 4: can run productively on first and second down to set
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  Speaker 4: up play action, set up that flea flicker that was
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  Speaker 4: beautiful to Afton Chisholm, you know, like those types of things.
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  Speaker 2: That makes it so much easier.
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  Speaker 1: For a twenty three year old quarterback in his first
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: playoff game and hopefully his first playoff run where they're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna ask. Drake made a drop back forty five
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  Speaker 1: times against the Chargers on Sunday Night. Yeah, and I
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  Speaker 1: think the big thing you talk about the run game
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  Speaker 1: finally getting going, and I'm curious your thoughts on Jared
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  Speaker 1: Wilson and Ben Brown. But just and this is something
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  Speaker 1: I was big on before the year. They're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: this two headed monster, right, Stevenson and Henderson, and just
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: the way these guys their different strengths playing to what
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: McDaniels wants to do, like really looking forward to it.
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  Speaker 1: And then obviously that didn't come to fruition. They were
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: just in this is life in the NFL, right, It
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: never lined up. So you had Henderson started the year
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  Speaker 1: with more growing pains than I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people expected. Yeah, then you had Ramandros Stevenson got hurt,
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: Henderson got hurt. Then the line was banged up, and
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  Speaker 1: like they were never all on the same page and
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  Speaker 1: now they are not on in the same bit. Like
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  Speaker 1: guys were hurt, right, It just it was ship's passing
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  Speaker 1: in the night. And I feel like finally in the
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  Speaker 1: last like three weeks, they actually have everything at they're
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  Speaker 1: disposal on the run game that they were hoping to
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  Speaker 1: have and it started to take off. So I love
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  Speaker 1: that the run games hot at the right time. They
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: are gonna need it in the playoffs, and I think,
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  Speaker 1: like this is kind of what I pictured going into
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  Speaker 1: the year the run game would be for one reason
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  Speaker 1: or another, it kind of couldn't be for long stretches.
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  Speaker 1: But they're at full go now with this group, and
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  Speaker 1: it's awesome. And to your point, even the little things, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're they're both breaking big runs and it is Miami.
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  Speaker 1: But how about remonder Stevens, not reminder Stevenson.
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  Speaker 3: How about he did it?
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  Speaker 1: But Travon Henderson. How about Trayon Henderson punching one in
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: on the goal line. We've talked about their issues running
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: in short yardage, and they had those at times in
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  Speaker 1: this game. But like, all right, if Trayvon Henderson's gonna
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: give you some power on the goal line, He's run
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  Speaker 1: with a lot more power the last few weeks. That
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  Speaker 1: to me is a great sign. I even didn't I hate, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I hate they got stopped on fourth and one, that
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  Speaker 1: little end around whatever you want to call it, where
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: they came out like a full house formation.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's like vintage Veer stuff like that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: And It's like I liked it too, and I know
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  Speaker 4: it didn't work because you have, like Drake May and
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: Pop Douglas are kind of giving you that backside.
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  Speaker 3: So I liked it. They showed it.
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  Speaker 1: And if you go back and watch that, if Drake
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  Speaker 1: May pitches that ball to Pop Douglas, he's one on
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  Speaker 1: one in space, right, which is exactly where you want
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  Speaker 1: Pop Douglas to be. So you know, maybe you bring
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: that back. I think they showed a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I was getting some questions about why they were running
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: so many trick plays in that game.
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  Speaker 3: Like why wouldn't you say it for the playoffs? And
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: you know, they had the flea flicker that at the
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: end around, They had that formation that they use. They
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: showed the wildcat.
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  Speaker 1: Well, now you've shown it, right, and it's that many
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  Speaker 1: more things the Chargers now have to prepare for, even
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: if you don't use it again, because you're not just
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: preparing for what they showed. You're now preparing for that
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  Speaker 1: formation to pitch the ball back to Jamario Douglas. You're
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: preparing for the where Remandre throws it or somebody comes
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: in motion. It becomes an end around thing, right, So
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  Speaker 1: I think that's why they showed as much as they
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: did in that game. But yeah, just to get back
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: to it, even though they got stopped, give me that
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: formation again and toss the ball to Pop Douglas. I
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: think that could look really cool or.
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: Just yeah, like there's just so many different variations of
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: things that you can run out of that formation. And
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: they didn't have the numbers to the play side. Ultimately
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: it was four on three over there, but I do
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: think they didn't block it very well. You know, there
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: Mumford falls off his block and then Ben Brown is
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: pulling and he pulls out to the corner and the
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: linebacker comes in the inside gap and takes the inside
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: and gets Henderson. So ideally I think you have Ben
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: Brown when he pulls, you know, he takes that linebacker
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: and leaves the corner for Trevion Henderson. Because now all
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: Trevion Henderson's got to do is either make the corner
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: miss or does run right through the corner and get
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: the yard right. So either way, I feel like that's
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: a better matchup for Henderson is to leave the corner Henderson,
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: so you can make that adjustment and make those corrections
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: pretty quickly, and then of course, you have the backside
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: action of kind of like a speed option basically on
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: the backside with Drake May and Pop Douglas where if
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: that player that ends up staying outside for Miami, if
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: he doesn't stay outside, you know that either could be
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: basically like a naked where there's nobody out there, or
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: you know, at least a one on one situation for
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: a really good you know, jitterbug like Pop Douglas in
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: space and maybe you play that two man game with
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: May where you know he draws the guy in or doesn't,
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: and you know that that whole thing. So there's just
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: a whole lot of different variations of things that you
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: can run out of that formation. So I agree with you,
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't necessarily grade results on that play. Like I
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: think that's a cool process and a cool formation that
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: they can do a lot of different things with. And
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: with the run game, you know, we were talking about
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: this yesterday on pu and Fred and Paul were kind
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: of pouring water cold water on this whole run game
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: thing because of the level of competition, and like my
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: two rebuttals to that one.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: If you're going to run the ball, you want to run.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: For explosives, like they you know, they're like, well six
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: to one point one yards of carry, but how many
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: big runs did they have? It's like, yeah, that's the
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: whole that's the point of running the ball is that
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: you're going to break a couple of big ones. The
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: other one, you know, is the level of competition. But
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: you know, one of our first years covering this team
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: was twenty eighteen, the last two weeks of the season,
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: and they played the Bills and the Jets. And this
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: was before the Bills were really good. You know, this
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: was like a water down early Josh Allen, Bills and
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: the Patriots ran for a combined four hundred yards in
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: those last two weeks of the season.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: And what do they do.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: They carried that into the playoffs. James Devlin, Sony Michelle
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: power eye right at you, and against the Chargers and
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: the Chiefs, that's how they opened both of those games.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: So even though the level of competition wasn't great these
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: last couple of weeks, just getting those reps and getting
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: that feel for the run game, I do think that
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: that can translate even against better teams. So I do
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: think that can carry into the playoffs. And there's precedent
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: for that working, you know, kind of having these tune
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: up games late in the season against worse teams or
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: worse run defenses, and then carrying that into the playoffs.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: And you know they're going to play a good run
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: defense on Sunday Night with the Chargers, but they might
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: not always play a good run defense in this playoff tournament.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: You know, the Bills do not have a good run defense.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Jacksonville's run defense is okay but not dominant. You know,
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: they might play some teams that can't stop the run
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: in this run hopefully, So you know, I look at
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: it as all positives with the with the run game.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Lasting on the run game. Yeah, gotta give Rimandre some flowers.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, Ramandre Stephenson played maybe one of the most
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: complete games I've seen the Patriots right playoff last.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: And this was the cap on it. This was above
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: and beyond.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: But I would say, really, since he's come back from
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that toe injury, Yeah, this is the best football I've
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: seen him play. And I'm obviously somebody that's been a
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: fan of his. You know, even with the fumbling issues
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: earlier in the year, I was saying, no, you got
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: to keep him involved, you got to get him, right,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: They're going to need him down the road, but he's
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: been this is another level for him, and if they
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: get this version of him in the playoffs, you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: you combine that ability to his contact balance right now
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: is on and it's always been one of.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: His better trades. Unbelievable.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: And if you get a guy that can create hidden
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: yardage and break off chunks like that, and you can
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: bind that kind of running back with what Drake is
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: doing in the passing game, the offense kind of becomes
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: a nightmare to defend.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's sort of my point about the balance too, right,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: is now they when you get into the playoffs, you
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: know these games are going to declare different ways and
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: you have to have different you have to be able
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: to fight different styles. Like you're not going to always
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: just be able to go in there and you know,
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: have Drake may just completing bombs all game long, because
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: that's the strength of this offense right now, is their
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: explosiveness in the passing game. Not going to be able
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: to do that every single week.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: This is where you really get the value of being
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: a game planting.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Right, And you have to have balance and you have
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: to be able to win games different ways. You know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: I just brought up the eighteen Patriots. You know, they
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: win a game in Kansas City that's essentially turns into
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: a shootout and goes into overtime, has decided, you know,
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: in the thirties, and then they play a Super Bowl
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: where it's thirteen to three, right, like that sort of
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: thing where you have to be able to pivot, you
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: have to be able to take what the defense is
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: giving you. And if on Sunday night, the Chargers come
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: out and they play a bunch of two high safeties
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: and they lighten the box and they take all the
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: deep passing away from Drake May with their quarters coverages
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff that we'll get to, Like,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: you got to.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Be able to run the ball like that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: That's the that's the counter punch to that sort of
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: style of defense.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: So all good stuff.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: I just thought Remandra Stevenson was exceptional in this game.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: It all walks like not just running the ball, running the.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: Ball obviously really well, you know, the touchdown catch, the
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: route that he runs on that touchdown catches terrific, you know,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: absolutely burned. Tyrol Dotson, the linebacker for the Dolphins pass
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: protection It just was a complete performance from him that,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: like I said, was one of the better running back
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: performances I've seen by a Patriot in quite some time,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: you know, probably you know, at least over the last
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: you know, four or five years. Moving on last one
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: here on the Dolphins, and then I promise we'll we'll
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: get to the Chargers and the important stuff.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: This defense, this.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Defense I feel like has gotten Is it fair to
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: say it's gotten a little bit controversial?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: You know, do they have a good defense today?
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Idea, they've had a couple of these games this yere
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: where like as you're watching the game doesn't feel good,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: it's like pulling teeth, like, oh man, this is really rough.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: What happened?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: And then you look up, Oh they allowed under two
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: hundred yards and only ten points.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So this was, you know, fitting way to end it.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: This was I think a fulsemation of what the twenty
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: twenty five Patriots defense is.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: It feels like at times at things they're too easy.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Not necessarily in this game against the run, I thought
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: they were pretty good against the run throughout, but in
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: the past game, you know, they it's a third and
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: six and Carlon Davis is standing six yards off the
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: line of scrimmage and gives up a slant in front
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: of him for seven yards. And you're just like, right,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: that's just too easy, Like why are we not up
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: in guys' faces? Why are we not pressing? Are they
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: not playing man to man with those corners? Like I
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: get all that frustration. And in this game, you know,
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: they the first two drives from Miami twenty two plays,
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty two yards, They last scrimmaged inside
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: the Patriots eight yard line on both drives. Now they
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: got the fourth down stop on the first drive. The
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: second drive, the Dolphins scored a touchdown. And this was
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: without Jalen Waddle, without Devon ah Chan of course you
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: know he hasn't played in forever, but without Tyreek Hill goes.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: So this is not the Miami Dolphins offense that Tua
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: was unstoppable, you know for against the Patriots for a
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: while there. That being said, the one caveat that I
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: have been using and used last week too, I said
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: in the in the open ace cut it perfectly. This
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: is a start, fast starting Miami Dolphins offense. They have
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: been really, really good in their opening scripts since Quinn
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Ewers took over. Mike McDaniel's good at it. You know,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: he's good at scripting you up. And this is something
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: that I would say too, is what's the word. It's
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: kind of happening all over the NFL this year that
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: these offensive coaches have gotten really, really good at the
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: script and they a lot of these teams are giving
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: up opening drive touchdowns. Now, the Patriots are one of
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: the worst in the league at it, so they're even
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: relatively speaking bad. But this is still something that has
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: been propped up across the league that these whiz kids,
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: these offensive coordinators and these head coaches, you know, the
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Shanahans of the world and stuff like that, they come
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: out with these great opening scripts and defenses adjust eventually
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: and the good ones are able to shut it down.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: So after those first two drives the Miami Dolphins ran
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: thirty two plays, they gained fifty eight.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Yards the rest of the game.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: So as much as I want to sit here and
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: say sometimes I get really frustrated with the defense in
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: the scheme and what they're doing, because they absolutely do.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: The starts of games are a little bit troubling as
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: the opponents get better, but then they go to the
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: last three quarters of the game and they completely shut
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: down Miami. So it's it's hard to kind of, you know,
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: find like where I'm at with this whole thing.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Defensively, Yeah, it's weird because we keep saying it's not sustainable,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: but they keep winning, right, So so true. You know,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say it in the playoffs eventually, I
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: think you can get got If you have a slow
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: start and you can't recover, you're not always going to recover.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: But they keep recovering.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: So I kind of have to, you know, tip my
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: cap them and say they keep recovering, right.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, like the fear of course is and you
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: know this is not any like groundbreaking analysis, but the
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: fear of course is that you're going to play a
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: good team. They're going to go fourteenth to nothing, and
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: you're just gonna find yourself in a hole that you
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: can't get out of. Now, you like to think the
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Patriots offense can go toe to tone, you wouldn't you know,
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: go completely into a nap on offense too. But if
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: the defense doesn't get that for it down stop against Miami,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: then Miami opens this game touchdown, touchdown, and then you
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: might find yourself in a deficit, right, And that's the
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: part that is concerning. But the defense every week, it
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: seems like the game declares they get a feel for
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: what the opponent is doing. They took a few adjustments,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: they get a feel for it, and they settled down.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: So until they stopped doing that, then I guess we
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: just have to give them the benefit of doubt, right
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: all right? So that was only thoughts I really had
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: from this Miami game. Like I said, I didn't want
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: to spend a ton of time on it. Got almost
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: spent twenty six minutes on it, which was one more
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: than I wanted.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, block field goal obviously not great. That felt like
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: more of a protection thing than a Borgalis thing. Agreed,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: So they still have some things to clean up on
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: special teams. A little shaky coming into the playoffs here
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: in that unit. But credit to Andy Burgalis the longest
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: non preseason field goal in the history. So let's say
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: you have to say no, Castawski had a sixty yarder,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: credit to him. But you know, I think good moment
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: for the kid, and you know, have that one block
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: even though it wasn't his fault. You know, you don't
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: know where kickers confidence is at so I think it
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: was big to have him come back and droll that
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: like sneaky. The Patriots should beat the Dolphins if even
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: if he misses that kick. Ye but and very able
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: talked about this after the game. They have the kick blocked,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the defense comes out off the short field, forces the
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: field goal offense with no timeouts, gets in a field
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: goal range. Borgalis hits a long kick and the Patriots
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: kind of run away from there. Like momentum play, momentum
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: play going into the break, and you want that from
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: your special teams.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: It's momentum plays.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: So especially because Miami got the kickoff to start in.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: The second half, knowing that you have a guy that
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: can hit a fifty nine yarder in the cold too.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: That was one of the questions when they took him,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and we said it at the time, there are gonna
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: be questions about him kicking in the cold, but you
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: there's no answer to it until he does it. We
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: just don't know, all right, you have a fifty nine
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: yarder and cold pretty good?
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, him.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: And for what I just said about special teams going
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: in a little shaky, it's more like the coverage units
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the up front units.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Borgalis and Behinger was really good in this game, both
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: going in the in the playoffs feeling good.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I actually did watch the field goal
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: protection had to write in a game like this, and.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: I congratulations for doing your job.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: I do feel like the special teams every week, I
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: feel like there's like what like there's a good there's
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: a good thing, and there's a bad thing. Like this
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: week it was the blocked field goal against the Jets.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: They gave up a fake punt and then they stopped
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: a fake punt. You know, it just feels like it
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: keeps going back and forth where they can't find that
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: consistent execution in all phases of special teams. The one
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: thing that I found a little bit promising was that
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: the Dolphins tried the same rush on the fifty nine
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: yard field goal attempt and they fixed it and they
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: blocked it in high Miss and Verderian Lower were fine
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: on that kick, So it was probably some sort of
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: you know, Low took the inside gap, Himis took the
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: outside gap.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Nobody blocked Sack.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: A stealer, so there's obviously some sort of assignment miscute.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: Wasn't like the Steeler went right through and low or
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: I miss and just overpowered them. It was more of
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: like nobody blocked them. So in that case, like that's
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: usually a quick tweak and a quick adjustment on the
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: sideline and and you know whatever, you move on. But yeah,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: that was not great. And we saw it on Sunday
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: night with Baltimore and Pittsburgh. You missed a field goal
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: I did to win a game, and now John Harbaugh's fired, right,
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Like so it just it can fall apart quickly.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I want to get to some of that stuff too.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Like Washington, I think is another like cautionary tale that
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: I've always brought up, But Washington blew out both their coordinators.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: They were in the NFC championship game. Yeah, you know,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: like this stuff this changes quickly.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: So what have you done for me lately? League?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: And along those lines, you know, I think that there's
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: a lot of you know, getting into the Chargers. There's
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: a lot of people that I think feel that the
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Patriots are kind of playing with house money at this point.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: You know, when four team games in Mike Rable's first season,
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: for Drake may to have an MVP caliber season in
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: his second year, Like this is all kind of gravy
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: from here, and I mostly agree with that sentiment. But
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: at the same time, I do think that winning a
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: playoff game changes the feel of the entire thing. I
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: think it exercises some demons of like twenty twenty one PTSD,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: where they have a good regular season and then they,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: you know, they get destroyed in the playoffs by Buffalo.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: I think that there's a lot of teams in recent memory.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: We are all obviously just closer to the twenty one
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: team with the Patriots, but there's a lot of teams
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: in recent memory that had these nice regular seasons where
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: they have these kind of comebacks or turnarounds or whatever
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: you want to call it, and they flame out in
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: the playoffs and then it kind of falls apart, right,
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: And the proof of concept of winning this game on
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Sunday Night, where they can come out of this season
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: and say we won the division, we won a playoff game,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I think that is actually really huge. And even though
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: it's it is a little bit greedy to want them
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: to now to win a playoff.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Against greedy, I think it's fair to reset expectations when
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: the team's played the way it has now to say
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: like Super Bowl or bust is getting greedy right to
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: say they should win a playoff game against a bang
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: up team, Southwest team coming east, different time zone, different climate,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: all that. Like I think that's a fair expectation.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I do too.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: And you know, if they win this game, house money
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: the rest of the way, right, Like, if they win
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: this one, I'm not gonna kill them for losing, you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: in the divisional round or the AFC Championship game or
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: whatever it might be. But in order to come out
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: of this season, to feel like you really accomplish something
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: beyond may was fantastic.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Rabel's clearly the right higher.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Like you have this whole thing built out now that
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: you feel really good about. I just want a little
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: bit more, you know, you just want that little cherry
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: on top would be to win this game on Sunday night.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: And like you said that, they feel primed for it.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Like it feels like that this Chargers team, although it's
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: a playoff team and there's they present problems and we're
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: going to break it all down here, they feel beatable.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: It doesn't feel like, you know, they're playing that Buffalo
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: team in twenty one or it's Mahomes or it's you know,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: someone like that that it feels like a wagon is
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: coming here on Sunday night with these Chargers. So let's start,
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: you know, let's start with the Chargers offense, because I
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: think the biggest thing, you know, the two fears that
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: I have about this game, one of them is on
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: the defensive side for the Chargers Patriots offense, and that
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: is Jesse Minter and that scheme and the match coverages
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: and just it's kind of a unique different type of
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: defense that you have a little bit of concern that
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: maybe Drake may is just not going to see the
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: field particularly well against the defense like this. The other
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: thing that I would be concerned about, even though he's
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: playing with one hand, is Justin Herbert is phenomenal. Like
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Justin Herbert has the ability to come into this game
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: and be the best player on the field and take
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: the game over and win the quarterback battle and all
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: that kind of stuff.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: And the fact that he has dragged.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: This Chargers team with this offensive line and an okay
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: group of skilled players. I don't think they're great. I
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: think they're okay to eleven wins. Is because he is
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: an MVP caliber quarterback and he has that potential just
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: like Drake may to elevate everything. So if I had
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: to be afraid of anything in this matchup, Number one
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: is definitely just justin Herbert being a star and just
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: going out there and having a game and really, you know,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: just having one of those dominant justin Herbert games.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: He's great.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Now that being said, there's a lot of things that
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: they could take advantage of on the offensive line, but
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: Herbert has one of the few quarterbacks in the league
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: where I say, the quarterback matchup is about even you know,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: it could maybe go to the Chargers at any given Sunday.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: To me, it comes down and Herbert's played really well
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: with the hand. Now, how well does he handle the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: ball in the cold and maybe wet like that could
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: be something that tilts things towards the Patriots. But I'm
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: really fascinated buying this game, and I don't want to
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: just blow by Herbert. But it's Herbert adjacent. A lot
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: of the times we talk about these playoff games, it's
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: strength on strength, right, Okay, who has with both these
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: teams usually lean on this. They're going head to head.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Only one team's going to have the advantage. Here, which
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: team has advantage? I'm actually more fascinated in a weakness
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: on weakness matchup in this game, and that is Patriots
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: pass rush against Chargers offensive line.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Couldn't agree more.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: You know, Herbert's been one of the most pressured quarterbacks
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: in the league. It's been He's the most pressured quarterback
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: in the league. This is a quarterbacks This is the.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: Worst pass blocking offensive line. Talking about the Chargers that
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: some of these advanced metrics that I am obsessed with,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: you know, win rate things like that, since they started
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: tracking some of these this data, this is the worst
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: offensive line they've seen, Like worse than the Patriots line
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: last year.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean this is good. They've had a
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: number of injuries. This is not close to what it
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be. Supposed to be a strength going into
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: the season when you have Sean Slater and Joe allt
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: should be they don't have you those guys.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Herbert's turnover rate way up this year.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: You know, it's the yards per attempt are down, And
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I think I don't think that's him playing worse. I
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: think that's a product of the group in front of him.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: He sped up at times things like that. So I
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: as good as Herbert has been, he has not been
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: just like most quarterbacks, he's not been as good under pressure.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: Yea.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: And that to me is where you level this game.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: If you're the Patriots, can this pass rush take advantage
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: of a beat up Chargers offensive line and getting justin
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Herbert's face? If they do that, he's not that He's
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: not that guy. He's not that guy when you're getting
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: in his face regularly, and if it's cold, and if
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: it's kind of nasty out and if he's hurting, you know,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: can you really put his back up against the wall
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. To bring it back to your point about
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: like Justin Herbert being a good player, because he is.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: That's how you win this gaming for the Patriots is
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you put Justin Herbert's back up against the wall. You
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: make him uncomfortable early, you make him uncomfortable often. I
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: think if they can do that, everything else takes care
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of itself from there. That, to me is what this
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: comes down to. Herbert's passerrating, by the way against when
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: when kept clean one o four point six under pressure
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: seventy four point four, that's a Every quarterback's passerrating is
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: lower under pressure.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: But I think at one point Drake Mays was higher
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: this year. Actually that's his he was.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: His passer rating under pressure is over one hundred this year.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: It's insane.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: But yeah, like that one oh four to seventy four
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: is a pretty wide gap.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's eighteenth in EPA per drop back under
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: pressure this year. Okay, so pedestrian, well, and what is
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: he when he's not?
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: I think because it's all about the gap.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: So the problem with the gap in this particular instance
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: is this Chargers offensive line has just been so terrible
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: that the Chargers metrics aren't good on offense. You know,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: they're twenty fourth in EPAAN scoring, Like that's just not
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: they're not a great offense on paper because the line
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: is just so beaten up in so bad. Now you
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: just mentioned though, like this is not a dominant Patriots
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: pass rush, you know, like I was watching the Chargers
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Texans game, you know, over the last week, just watching
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: the film of that game. That's a no contest kind
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: of game because the Chargers can't block anybody, right, and
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: they're going up against that pass rush from Houston and
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: it's just it's blaps. It's like there's just no chance
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: that they're going to be able to protect Herbert. This
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: game feels a little bit differently. And I've heard this
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: commentary from some of the national people that you know,
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: if you're the Chargers, this is probably one of the
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: better matchups for you because the Patriots don't have will
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Anderson and Daniel Hunter. Now with that being said, I
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: do think that the area that the Patriots can dominate
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: is on the interior with Milton Williams and Barmore. And
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: the thing I wrote down, you know, on my notes
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: here is just those guys have to dominate like they
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: the Patriots need. And this is a big rabel, as
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: like your best players need to play well in this league.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: They need Christian Barmore and Milton Williams to dominate.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Those guys have to be creating havoc on the interior.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: It doesn't necessarily need to be them getting sacks, but
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: it needs them to be funneling towards Chase On and
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Landry for pressure or getting pressure up the middle.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: They they need to wreck the game.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Rights it's the term Belichick's use, game wrecker.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: They need to wreck the game.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I will say chas On played better with the last
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: couple games, even going back to the to the Baltimore game.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he kind of played a little bit
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: better down the stretch.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: So and hopefully this rest will will do well for
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Harold Landry. Hopefully he can come back and be fresher.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: And that was the other thing that I wrote down.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: You know, we'll find out at practice here later today.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: But Splaine, Tonga Landry, are those guys out there or not?
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: And if they are out there, are they compromise or
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: are they able to play full tilt?
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Where where are they at physically?
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Is going to be big in this game because I
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: think the other thing that the Patriots absolutely have to
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: do in this game is they have to be able
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: to stop the run. Now, the Chargers don't run the
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: ball particularly well because of that offensive line. The offensive
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: line is thirty second in pass block win rate. They're
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: thirty first and run block win right, they think, you know,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: so they don't run the ball particularly well. But the
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: Chargers will put a full back on the field with
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: Matt Locke. They will put extra offensive linemen on the
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: field if need be, and they might try to come
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: in here and play bully ball and do the Roman
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: John har Jim Harbach, excuse me, thing and just try
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: to bowl you over. And if they do that sort
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: of thing, you know, how do the Patriots match that personnel?
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: First of all, I think is an interesting conversation when
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: they do put twenty or twenty one personnel out on
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: the field and get heavy.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: But also, if you.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Can stop the run turn it into a drop back
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: passing game, maybe you start to play with the lead
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: a little bit. And now all of a sudden, Herbert
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: is dropping back forty five fifty times, and that line
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: will not hold up, not against this pass rush, not
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: against any pass rush. So eventually, if you can get
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Herbert to have to drop back and drop back and
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: drop back, I still think the Patriots have enough to
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: win upfront in that sort of game.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, to your it's a good point. They got
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: to stop the running, get a lead for that to happen.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: So the Chargers I just mentioned offensively, you know a
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: little bit about Greg Roman, and then we'll get into
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: what I was about to say. Greg Roman was in
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: San Francisco with Jim, was in Baltimore with John and
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: both of those offenses ran around Lamar Jackson and Colin Kaepernick.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: So those were I would call like option offenses like
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: they were college style option offenses. This offense doesn't do
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: it quite the same. They do feature some quarterback run,
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: but they don't do it a ton like they did
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: with Lamar and Kaepernick. But it's really weird to me
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: to watch this team play. They are twenty seventh in
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: the league in run rate. They don't run the ball
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: a lot, and they don't run it well, which is
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: like so backwards for Greg Roman and Jim Warre, like
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: that's not their typical mo. So when Rubber meets the road,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: I still feel like they're going to try to put
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: you know, Matt Locke. Their full back is three hundred pounds.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: He's basically an extra offensive lineman. He's played both sides
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: of the ball. He's a classic, you know, Harbaugh football
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: guy kind of player. And I still think that that's
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: where they're going to try to start this game. They
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: run a lot of twenty personnel, so no tight end
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: on the field, three wide receivers, the full back, the
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: running back.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: That's advantage for the Patriots if they do that.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well it hasn't been lately, but with Milton Williams back,
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: you hope so.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm just thinking in terms of like damn being
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: able to cover tight ends.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Right, So Gatston their tight end who we talked about
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: a little bit in the draft.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: He's a receivers. He's not a tight end.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: He's a big wide receiver kind of not as good,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: but like kind of like a Kyle Pitts or like
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: a you know, Mike is SICKI or someone like.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: He's more of a peer receiver. He's two hundred and
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: fifteen pounds.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he doesn't block, Like that's not his game.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: So if he's on the field, you know, they do
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: have that eleven personnel package with it McConkie and Quinton
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: Johnston and uh usually Keenan Allen and Gaston, and that package.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Is really where they live. Like that's really their offense.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: I know that historically Roman and Harbaugh are run first guys,
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: you know, load up with big people on the field.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: But that's not so really good whatever, he's two hundred
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: and forty pounds. I thought that was wrong. I was
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: looking at his dad's with people, Oh cheers, Dad's bio.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I mean it's forty gats it. He doesn't block. It's
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: not but he doesn't block. You're right, he started his
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: career in college as why receive.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, any places? Yeah, and he's just not gonna block.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say two fifteen looks wrong, but yeah,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: so dad, it was one game I remember watching he
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: killed the Patriots, me was with the Dolphins.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: So this is all a long way of saying that,
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: you know, this Charger team has the personnel to maybe
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: try to run the ball and get heavy on you
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: and do that whole type of thing, but it's really
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: not what they've done well this year. Right, what they've
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: done well this year is yolo ball with Justin Herbert
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: like that. That's where their offense has lived. They're really
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: good on third day. He's really good on third down,
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: and they stay on the field a lot. And that
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: was another thing that Vrabel pointed out on Monday. They're
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: second in the league in time of possession. So they
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: want to shrink the game. They want to choke you out.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: They want the defense to hold you down on the scoreboard.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: Justin Herbert is going to make just enough plays to
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: score just enough points to win, and they're gonna choke
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: you out offensively like that. That's the way that they
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: win football games. And you know, the Patriots I think
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: need to turn this game into more of a track meet,
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: Like they need to get this scoring up, They need
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: to get Herbert to drop back a bunch, and they
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: need to get this game into more of like that
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: sort of type of game. That doesn't mean the Patriots
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: can't run the ball and all that kind of stuff,
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: but you don't want to get into like a grind
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: it out rock fight with this team. That's how the
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: Chargers are going to stay in this game, is if
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: you do it that way.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you you, like, like I said before, you
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: want to put them in a situation where they have
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: to pass. You want to put them in a situation
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: where they become one dimensional.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Okay, Before we move over to the Patriots offense versus
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: the Chargers defense, the matchups here on the receivers I
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: think is interesting. Now, the Patriots don't do a ton
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: of traveling or shadowing with their corners anyway, so it
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: might this all might be a moot point or maybe
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: like over analyzing a little bit, because that might not matter.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: But I do think that it's interesting because even though
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: the numbers might say I think Keenan Allen is there
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: technically their leading receiver. I think Keenan Allen's kind of washed.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Like watching them on film, he just doesn't move very well.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: He's still got that like crafty, you know, YMCA thing
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: going on where he can kind of get open on
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: third down and things like that, but he's not explosive.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: I think Johnston and McConkie are far more explosive.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: But when you walk at these these.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Receivers, Johnston corners here a little bit.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: A little bit, you know, he's still kind of a
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: one trick pony, but it's a good trick when you
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: look at these receivers. The rub is that McConkie is
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: a slot. You know, he plays sixty three percent of
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: his routes or run out of the slot. So you're
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: probably not going to put Gonzalez on Mcconkeey, No, it's
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Mark Jones. So Marcus Jones gonna get McConkie. It's been
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: a great year for Marcus Johns. I'm not trying to
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: throw shade at Marcus Jones, but to me, I still
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: feel like this offense starts and ends with McConkey.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Am I crazy that I actually like that matchup for
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: the Patriots?
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: You're not crazy.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: M conky's run so hot and cold this year.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: He yes, yes, so when he's hot, he's dynamic.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But Mark Jones a very consistent player.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: I just I look at this as an interesting matchup
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: from that standpoint. You know, it's not a traditional passing
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: game where the outside guys are really the volume guys.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: It's really the volume guys are mconkie, Keenan Allen, Gadsden,
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: and Quentin Johnson is kind of their big play guy
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: on the outside, like sort of like.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Their Keishawn Boody.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: Right, So you know, do you it's not a waste
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: to put Gonzales on Quentin Johnston because Johnson can't get
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: behind the defense and can separate down the field, So
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: it's it's an.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Important Johnston and or would you put him on Keenan Allen,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: that's what you're saying.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: No, I think I would probably stick with Gonzales on Johnston.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would probably do that.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: I'd probably put Marcus Jones is going to cover McConkie
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: in the slot. Maybe you give him some bracket or
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: you know, like robber help in the middle of the
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: field that allows him to kind of play leverage a
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: little bit better. And then I think that you kind
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: of live with Carlton Davis and Keenan Allen. Yeah, and
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: in a lot of ways, that might be the matchup
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: that kind of decides this game when the Chargers have
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: the ball is whoever covers Gatston on the tight end
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: and then you know, Carlton Davis versus Keenan Allen. And
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: the one thing I would say about Carlton Davis this year,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: and it happened a couple times against Miami, when he
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: plays like those like fast, twitchy receivers, I do think
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: those guys give him problems. You know, some of the
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: fast Dolphins guys ToJ Washington especially, gave him some issues.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: That's not Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen is.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Like old throwback, thrifty, like crafty receiver. I think that
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Carlton Davis will be fine because he's not gonna get
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: run by by Keenan Alleny. So I don't mind that matchup.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: The Gadsdon one's interesting. He's a good player. He's he's
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: a good receiving tight end. He can win down the seam,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: he can win at the catch point. Do you trust
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: the safeties, you know, do you trust Woodson or Jalen
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Hawkins or Mapu or like, how do you cover him?
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: They're they're not going to put the corner on the
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: tight end.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: They're just like I'm giving up on thinking that they're
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: going to make that adjustment.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: And this isn't necessarily a game where you would do
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: that any now.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: No, So I think that within this matchup, whoever covers Gadsden,
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: whoever covers Keenan Allen, that's going to kind of decide
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: this game. To me, you know, it's like those kind
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: of chess matches there, but I think we're on the
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: same page in terms of how to distribute it. But
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: it's going to be decided there. All right, let's move
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: over to the defense. The Chargers defense. I think a
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: couple of things about the Chargers defense that stand out
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: to me. Really big, physical defensive line. They got five
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: guys that they go across a defensive line. Uh to
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: to a polo two is a right. Yeah, underrated player
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: needs to be talked about more.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Tart Jamari Calwell guy in the draft we talked a.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Little bit about from Oregon.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: Uh Khalil Mack. Even though he's not the juicy, explosive
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: guy that he once was. He and he's physical and
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: he's strong as hell. So that uh, and then uh,
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: you know Oway, the guy that got from Baltimore, gives
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: him some twitch on the inside. He's got some pass
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: rush moves and he's long and all that kind of stuff.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: So this defensive line, to me is is really physical.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: They're really big, They're tough to move in the run game.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: It's a good group. It's a group group up front
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: and two. Polo two is one of the more underrated
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: players in the league right now. He's six in the
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: league in sacks. He's got seventy pressures on the season. Uh,
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: he's a sneaky good player. So I look at that
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: and then the other thing that I look at from
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: this group, and then I want to get to the
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: real big picture stuff.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Derwin James.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: You know, Derwin James is there, Kyle Hamilton, he's their
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: chess piece. He's playing in the box mostly this year,
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: but they've been really, really good against heavy personnel groupings,
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: whether it's twenty one or twelve, which the Patriots like
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: to play a lot of. Because Derwin's playing the nickel
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: and he's kind of this Swiss army knife player. So
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: when you look at the five guys across the defensive
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: line for the Chargers, and then you also look at
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: Derwin like, I think this is a tough group to
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: run on, Like, I don't really know, you we'll find
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: out if this run game is for real against his defense,
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: because it's those five up front and then it's the
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: sixth guy. Is Derwin playing to run in a physical
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: run player as well? So it's gonna be a challenge
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: to run the football in this game.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tony Jefferson's not that too, their other safety, and
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: he can make plays at line scrimmage as well. So
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: it is they're big upfront, they're gonna try to bully you.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: They can't try to bully you up front.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: I mean Mac and two Polo two are are power rushers,
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: like they are linear power rushers. They're good at it,
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: but they're not like these twitchy guys. And you know,
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: for Campbell, I think that that's some there's a positive
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: to that, and there's a you know, he had some
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: issues with with bull rushes against Bradley Chubb, but I
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: think I'd rather Campbell place a bull rusher than face
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: a guy that can really win with speed to the edge,
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: especially you know, with some of his deficiencies, I think
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: that that's probably the better matchup for Will Campbell. So
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: the one other thing I'd mentioned with twy polo two, uh,
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: they move him around a ton, so he doesn't just
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: play on one side of the line. He has about
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: an even split over the left and right tackle, and
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: he also rushes sometimes on the inside too, so they
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: kind of played him on all five spots. So with
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: a guy like that, it like half the battle is
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: just finding out where he is. It's not always going
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: to be here he's over the left tackle or he's
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: over the right tackle, which is often easier to you know,
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: scheme things up, you know, whether it's chips or whatever
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: the case may be. So that's them personnel wise, the
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: two guys personnel wise too, And then I want to
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: get to some of the scheme stuff that I would
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: expect the Patriots to go at. Is cam Hart, who's
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: the other corner for them. Dante Jackson's had a pretty
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: good year for them and still's there. Nichol is pretty
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: good too, but cam Hart, they're I think he's the
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: second year now, right, he was twenty four draft class.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: He can he can be had and.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: Molding their other safety, not Tony Jefferson, not Derwin James.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're kind of they're their other safety, so kind
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: of they're like secondary, secondary guys, right as I say,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Benjamin Saint Jus, the guy that that's played for them
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: this year that's had some issues.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So just looking at the matchups here, you know,
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: this is one of those games where if Kaishawn Boodie
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: or Kyle Williams gets matched up on the outside against
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: Cam Hart or Saint Jus, like that's going to be the.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Matchup, right, you know, and that's gonna especially when they
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: have to.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Win, especially Kyle Williams, because those guys are more big,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: physical corner.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: He's a burner. He should be able to get by them.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm looking for you know, it doesn't have
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: to be a high volume, but can you hit one
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: or two bombs to Booty or Kyle Williams you know
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: on the backside of quarters here, which we'll talk about
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: in a second, you know, with one of those you know,
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: the second or third corner outside corner on them instead
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: of Dante Jackson. I think that that's an option as
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: well for the Patriots. So just talking a little bit
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: about the scheme defensively, and then we got to take
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: a break.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the biggest thing with the scheme.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: I can't say enough like positive things about Jesse Minter.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: That guy's going to be a head coach in the NFL.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: He does a really, really good job.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: Are you advocating for defensive head coach.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he does a great job. He does a great job. Now,
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: they they run a lot of quarters. They are quarters
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: based defense, so it's four guys up top, you know,
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: down at the deep part of the field.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: But it has a lot of man to it.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: Like so even though it kind of registers as zone
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: and like all of these advanced metrics and stuff like that,
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: it's kind of flexible. It's fluid right where sometimes they
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: match coverage down the field and they're matching verticals, which
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: is more the traditional way to do it. And then
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: sometimes they match it underneath and they have like the linebackers,
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: you'll match the backs and the tight ends underneath. So
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of man to man principles to this defense.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: The one thing I will say though about the defense
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: is that Drake may has been excellent against zone all
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: year long. He has the highest EPA per dropback the
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: highest passer rating against zone coverage in the NFL, and
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: technically speaking, even though there has there's some fluidity to it.
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: The Chargers play zone on eighty one percent of their dropbacks.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: They are a zone defense. They only play man to
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: man on first and second down nine percent of the time,
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: which is crazy low. Like that is, you know, one
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: of the lowest rates of man coverage on early downs
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: in the in the NFL. So first and second down
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: you're getting zoned. It's probably going to be quarters or
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: cover three. Drake May has destroyed both those zone coverages
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: all year long, so it's a strength on strength matchup.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: They don't give up a lot of big plays. They
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: don't give up a lot in those zone coverages. Drake
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: May shred zone and only degenerates explosives against zone like
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: he just kills it. So who's gonna win out And
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: that situation is probably gonna ultimately all this other weed
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: stuff that we're talking about. I would say that is
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: probably the number one factor of what's going to decide
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: this football game. Can the Patriots pass rush beat the
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Chargers offensive line, and can the Patriots beat the Chargers
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: in zone?
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: I'll just add to that like, and you talked a
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: little earlier about how much they'll spin the dial. The
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Chargers force a lot of turnovers and Drake may has
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: been a lot better about limiting those turnovers this year,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: but this is going to be another test. So keeping
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: that turnover down. And the Chargers turn the ball over too.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: They're like middle of the pack in terms of turnover margin,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: but it's because they force turnovers a lot and they
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: turn the ball over a lot. Yeah, so you know,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: the Patriots, if you can hold onto the football, the
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Chargers will give you a couple and that could be
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: a big swing.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: So I have one point about that, and before you
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: head to break, but really quickly, one more thing about
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: the defense for the Chargers. I don't think they give
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: up a ton of explosive plays in volume, but over
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: the last couple of weeks they have given up some
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: x plays in the passing game. Houston hit two long
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: touchdowns against them in that game, a seventy five yarder
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: and I think Jalen Knowles was like forty forty five yards.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: The week before that, George Pickens got behind him for
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: a big touchdown against Dallas. I remember earlier on in
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: the season when Mena Comas was making the rounds because.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Of the quarters thing like do you where.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: You can't forget can't what was it? You can't throw verticals?
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Yes? Quarters, Yeah, you could absolutely throw over the top
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: of quarters.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: And in all these instances that I just brought up,
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: whether it was Noel Higgins Pickens, it was all quarterbacks
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: throwing over the top of quarters. What does Drake may
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: love to do? He loves to throw the deep ball.
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: If they get these quarters coverages, they can get one
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: on one matchups on the outside against quarters. And I
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: fully expect Drake made a bomb away when he sees that.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: So I do think that statistically the Chargers are eighth
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: in the league, eighth best in terms of giving up
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: explosive pass plays. But I think that they've given up
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: a few big ones over the last couple of weeks
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: and schemes and things like that that Josh McDaniels is
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: going to see on film and it's going to say,
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: we can replicate that. You know, we can get Kaysehawan
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: Boody on the backside, you know, vertical, or we can
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: hit the big post on quarters, or we can do this,
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: you know, the different things that the Texans and the
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: Cowboys were able to do against this defense. So I
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: do think there is a formula there for the Patriots
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: to have a lot of success in the passing game
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: against his charger zone. But I also think that there's
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: a world where the chargers zones kind of throw them
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: off a little bit because it's unique, it's a different
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: kind of scheme. So whoever wins out in that matchup
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: is going to be fascinating to watch. So that's oh
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: last thing you mentioned about the turnovers. Yeah, pre and
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: post broken hand. For Justin Herbert first thirteen games of
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: the season or twelve games of the season pre hand injury,
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: he only had two fumbles the entire first you know,
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: let's call it half of the season before he broke
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: his hand, his non throwing hand, and they both happened
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: in the same game. Since he broke his hand, he's
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: fumbled five times.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: So and member's gonna be cold and it might be wet.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: He only has one hand on the ball right like,
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: he can't put the other hand on the ball. The
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: other hands in this like big cast thing. It's great,
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: kind of like crazy. It's almost like watching Gronk with
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: the bionic arm like play out there. Yeah, so he can't.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: He can't grip the ball with his left hand. So
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: if you're a pass rusher, if he's running with the football,
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: which he does at a really high level, he's second
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: in the league in the rushing yards by quarterbacks. It's
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: alan Herbert may in terms of rushing yards by quarterbacks.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: Punching at the ball, Man, punch the ball, pry it out,
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: rip it out, do what you gotta do. U. But
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: this is like a gang tackle Herbert kind of game,
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: where like one guy goes for the tackle and one
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: guy should be going for the ball at all times
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: because that hand is not healthy and he can't put
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: two hands on the football. So if you look at
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: his fumble splits, I's gotten lucky in terms of fumble luck.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: He hasn't lost a bunch of fumbles, but he has
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: put the ball on the ground.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: Well, that's still you're losing yards. You're moving backwards like.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: You hope the ball bounces your way once and you
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: make a game change in play that way.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Current forecast thirty five degrees at kickoff. Not wet, though
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: it's supposed to rain a little bit in the morning,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: but should be done like twelve hours before the game,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: all right, as of right now, these things change, all right.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: So that's your Chargers preview.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: We can still talk about the Chargers plenty here in
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: the second hour of the show. I just wanted to
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: get all that out in terms of setting the table
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: on the Chargers.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: We'll be right back after the break, and we'll continue
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: talking about this playoff game.
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  Speaker 4: A T S. All right, let's take some of these
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: calls and emails. I know you guys have been waiting,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: and we'll talk a little bit of charges. I also
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: want to talk a little bit about the coaching cycle,
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  Speaker 4: because I have some takes on that that I find
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: this stuff fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: Do you find like I don't know if you do, but.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: Like this, like John Harbaugh thing, what's going on in Washington.
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  Speaker 1: I find all that stuff super see, like the MVP thing.
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  Speaker 2: I've already non litigated.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: The MVP thing so much that I'm over it.
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  Speaker 3: I've discovered something.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, let's first. I'm sure there'd be some
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: MVP talk. Patty is a nag on what's up? Patty?
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  Speaker 9: Hey, what's up? Gentlemen?
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  Speaker 2: How you doing good?
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  Speaker 9: I'll got a few things to go over, so I'll
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 9: make them quick. First off, I apologize for kind of
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 9: the bijan control job last week. That was kind of
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 9: a little bit of a troll job. I know it
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 9: would never really realistically happen, but Alex, I gotta I
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  Speaker 9: gotta tell you, buddy, I'm with you on the game
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 9: used to be perfect when it was sixteen games, twelve
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 9: playoff teams and sudden death overtime. And I just wish
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 9: it would go back to that because it was perfect.
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  Speaker 9: It was a perfect formula.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 9: And and I believe they're going to go to eighteen
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 9: games of probably eight playoff teams and the and the
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 9: pool is going to be diluted. But whatever, let's just
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 9: let's enjoy this run while we're at it. On the game.
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  Speaker 9: I feel like Evan, like you said I would, I
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 9: would be a little bit disappointed if they don't win.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 9: I'm kind of expecting them to win. And if they
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 9: win this one game, I'm good. Like we're playing with
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 9: house money after that, mostly because Justin Herbert kind of
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 9: turns into a puddle of big games. And if you
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 9: guys remember kind of his big not coming out of
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 9: college out of Oregon was he had like everything, like
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 9: you know, he's like the perfect perfect job, athletic profile
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 9: to play quarterback, but he has kind of like a
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 9: care free attitude. That's what I That's what I remember
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 9: hearing about him. And if you go through like the
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 9: last four big games that he's played, including last year's
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 9: playoff which was glaring or he threw three picks all
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 9: year and through four interceptions in the playoffs, you know,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 9: I'm just expecting them to win. And the question that
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 9: I'm going to end with is I'm always looking forward
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 9: to the next season. This I think is realistic. Who
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  Speaker 9: would say no to this? Give up our first for
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 9: Max because who are going to find in the draft?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 9: But in the Max Crosby and Alex do you have
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 9: any thoughts on Skuyler Bell wide receiver out of Yukon.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 9: I'll kick it off there, guys. Let's go always playoff time, baby.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Patty.
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  Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I I'm all in on the Max Crosby thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about this. We were texting about it the
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: last week.
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  Speaker 4: I it seems like it makes all the sense in
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: the world. They're they're gonna be in a position and
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: I know we're talking about a playoff game on Sunday,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: we're already talking about the off season.
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  Speaker 2: But that's what the shadows.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: So many off season questions in my mail back this week,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's playoffs, people will find it.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: Nope, and we've said this is an offseason show.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: But I think that the big reason why is because
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: we all can kind of feel that they're close, but
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: they're probably not fully there yet, which is totally valid
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: given that they're only one year into this thing. Max
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: Crosby is a type of move that they've now set
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: themselves up to make though they are they are one
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: or two pieces away. Now, we didn't think that at
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: the beginning of the season when like Mike Parsons was available,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: for example, But now I'm going to definitely think that
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: going into next offseason, and if you look at their
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: biggest needs, I still think that they need another playmaker offensively.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: They're gonna need to keep drafting lineman offensively offensive line,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: but pass.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Rusher on the edge is number one. I think he's
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: a hell of a pass rusher. They're depending on what
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: happens with Diggs and mac Hollins and their contracts. Yeah,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: and more than Moses their three biggest needs. And that's
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: not they don't have needs on offense. Their three biggest
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: needs may all be on defense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know you.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Trade for Max Crosby, that that really gets you going.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: That checks the box emphatically.
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  Speaker 4: He's just such a Rable guy. Like Rable's number one,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: not negotiables, effort, and finish. There is nobody that plays
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: with a hotter motor than.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Maxican and especially I think a guy coming from an
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: organization that's just been bad and clearly wants a chance
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: to win and is going to have a chance to
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: do that here. Yeah, I love the idea. You know,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: if I can take it a step further. I think
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: we talked about this the other day. We were going
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: through like weird snares of the offseason. Let's say the
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Ravens are just totally starting over, right, if I don't think,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe this is.
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  Speaker 3: A bit much would the race.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: If you don't want to trade the first Let's say, like,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: let's say the Ravens totally start over, right, Lamar Jackson
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: becomes available. If you're the Ravens, you maybe don't want
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: to trade the first overall pick. If you trade Max
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Crosby for a first or a package, well, now you
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: have another pick you can use to flip for Lamar
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: and really get the rebuild started. We're talking about the Raiders,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: the Raiders basically the Raiders in the in the Ravens
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: trading Lamar for Max Crosby with the paid well, no,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: do the Patriots facilitate it? So the Patriots give the
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Raiders extra AMMO and trade for Lamar Jacks without having
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: to trade the first overall pick or maybe the Ravens
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: Raiders then trade down to four and keep because I hear,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: do you get what I'm saying? Like, you don't want
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: to give the number one on Mar Jackson's worth a lot,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: but you need more around him, and giving up that
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: asset for him, you're not gonna be able to put
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: around what you need, right, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know if the Ravens would do that either.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: It's just I've kind of been going through these things
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  Speaker 1: in my head.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I I I'm all in on Crosby. I mean, uh,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: you know, I'd probably rather be Chase on but he's
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: gonna be a free agent. And they actually played together
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: in Vegas, and that's right. Jason had a pretty good
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: year rushing opposite at Crosby. But you go into next
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: year even you know, just thinking out loud, like with
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: Landry Barmore, Williams and Crosby as your front four, that
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: that is a hell of a group up front. It's
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: gonna cost you picks, it's gonna cost you money. But
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: that's a type of like let's put this thing over
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: the top type right. All right, that's enough on the
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: off season during you know, five days before a playoff game.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: But I'm sure it was fun.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Danny's in Daytona.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: What's up Danny the Baits? What's up Danny? Danny? All right,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: call back Danny and we'll get you on. Sean is
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: in Vancouver or what's up Sean I'm wondering about coverage.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, we were saying, you know, the different
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 8: man coverages that we have for everybody, but let's say
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 8: you could buy in it and you have sometimes Davis
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 8: on Keenan Allen like you said, and Gonzo on Johnson,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 8: do you think they could have some zone underneath with that,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 8: like just suppress of the defensive plane zone And I'll
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 8: leave you with that.
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  Speaker 2: Go back, Thanks Sean so who said Davis on.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: Who I couldn't hear his phone was kind of in
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: and out.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: Okay, I think so this is another kind of big
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: picture of conversation, which is why I think he's asking.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: But there's a lot of like stuff going on on
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: the film, Twitter and things like that right now about
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: corners traveling with specific receivers, and we're starting to see
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: more and more across the league. Uh that fade away
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: and go away more and more.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: Which is a shame. I think everyone. Trent Brown had
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: the idea of tackles traveling with pass rush.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so the days of like you know, Darrell Reeves
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: taking Randy Moss for the entire game.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Stefan Gilmour used to do it a lot.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Of the meetings.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: See you, Uh that that kind of thing is starting
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: to fade away. And I think that the coaching Twitter community,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: like the high school and college coaches that are on
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: Twitter that I appreciate a lot, explain a lot of
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: things about the game to people like us trying to learn. Uh,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: the the biggest thing that they kind of come back
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: with are kind of twofold one. It might simplify things
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: for that one player in the defense, but it actually
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: complicates everything else because now you have guys that maybe
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: you are playing at a position like for example, just you know,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: this is kind of simplified, but if Christian Gonzalez travels
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: inside with lad Maconki.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: Right, where does Marcus Jones go? Right now?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: Marcus Jones might have to play on the outside against
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: like a Quentin Johnson or Trey Harris, and you probably
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: don't like that matchup. And on top of that, he's
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: not comfortable playing out there, So there's like a trickle
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: dat effect from that standpoint as well. Uh, And then
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: you know, you kind of get into this whole thing
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: of like it's good for one person, but it's not
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: good for the other tensions.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: So that's why, like and not that many teams do
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: this because you have to have insane talent to do this. Yeah,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: having all your corners follow guys, which the Patriots did
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: at one point, Like, that's I think this Patriots, he
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: might have the personnel for it.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: Most he's like the Revus Browner Patriots, where Browner would
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: take the bigger guy and revis would.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Take the number one. Right that that sort of thing.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: The other element to it, in terms of like why
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: teams aren't traveling as much is disguise, and disguise has
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: become one of the most we're in things in defensive
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: football because these quarterbacks and these offenses systematically are just
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: too good at undressing defense. If you don't hide your
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: cards defensively, if you just kind of sit in the
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: same pre snap look as you sit in post snap, like,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: these quarterbacks are going to figure it out too quickly
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: and you're gonna get shredded. So if you travel Gonzalez
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: into the slot, then you have two options. Either Gonzales
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: either you're declaring you're playing man and you're just tipping
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: your hand that you're playing man to man. Or the
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: other thing that you could do is you have to
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: teach Gonzalez how to play the slot. Right, So now
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: he's got to be able to do all the things
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: in the zone and the runfit that Marcus Jones does.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Playing the full time nickel role. Now you have to.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: Train your other corners that usually play on the outside
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: to play inside. So a lot of teams are just
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: kind of getting to the point now.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Where it's just not worth it.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: It's just not worth the trouble to have guys shot,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: and I know that that drives fans crazy, especially when
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: you have a great cover corner like Christian Gonzales that
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: should be able to do that. But that's just the
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: reality of it. That's what they do. So it'll be
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: interesting to see if that continues for the Patriots moving forward.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: I don't think this is the game where you have
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: Gonzales shadow a specific receiver. I think they spread the
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: ball around pretty good and they have like different kinds
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: of elements that aren't necessarily It's not like you're going
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: up against like the Bengals and Jamar Chase where he's
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: just going to follow Jamar Chase around the field, so
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: it's a little bit different. I don't really know if
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: they have a matchup in this playoff field, in this
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: tournament that screams doing that. Like maybe if you get
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: to the super Bowl and you play you know, Seattle
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: or the Rams or something like that, and it's Pukah
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: or it's JSN. But in the AFC, I mean, you're
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: probably going to go most likely, you're probably going to
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: go what like Chargers, Jaguars, Broncos or something like that.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: And how much do you respect Brian Thomas Junior.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Who has not had a good year. No, he's Myers
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: is really yeah?
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: You're right too. Uh oh, DK Metcalf.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: That would well down the road and you'd have to
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: get some weird results for that to happen.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: But they could be the it could be uh actually.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: No, that's not true. Oh no, if all the favorites win, No.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: If if the sixth seed, if if Buffalo wins, then
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: the Patriots to play the winner of four five.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: You're right, Actually, it's not that ridiculous. So DK Metcalf,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: K Metcalf.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: If Nico Collins is healthy and playing, I don't know.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: So weird things going on with Nico Collins in Houston.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: He was like a healthy scratch last week. I think
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: they were just resting him, but who knows. Uh, So
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: it's an interesting conversation that's probably not meant for a
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: a playoff show like this one. But the corner is
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: traveling and all that kind of stuff has been a
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: popular topic on a you know on my feed, which
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: is a bunch of nerds that talk about football all
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: the time.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: A couple of emails. I want to take some emails.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: So Danny asking a Chargers defense question, uh, with Evans
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: saying the Chargers are running Uh, I'm gonna call it quarters. Danny, Like,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: cover four to me is different from quarters. That's another
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: submitting difference. So cover four spot drop right, like you're
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: just dropping into into four deep zone four deep three
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: underneath quarters has got like match principles right where guys
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: are matching like verticals or matching underneath routs like I
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: was talking about earlier. So I think, like the the
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: traditional cover four is dead. Like you don't really see
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: a lot of teams just running pure spot drop cover
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: four anymore. Everybody is pretty much running match quarters, which
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: is like the new thing in the league. Fangio kind
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: of started it, I would say, like he's probably credited
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: the most was starting it. But it's kind of funny,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: like the Texans, the this Chargers defense, and what was
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: Jacksonville are all play playing this kind of defense. Now,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: they're all playing a ton of match quarters or quarter
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: quarter half, which is covers it.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: That's good news for the Patriots because who is it
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: sit again the Chargers, the Texans, and the Jaguars.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: Yes, that could be their path. Yeah, those three teams
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: are playing back to the Super Bowl. Denver plays a
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: ton of man. They still play a ton of man
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: with Stingley. But all these teams are running all this
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: quarters coverage and it's like the thing to do defensively now, uh,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: to limit the explosive plays. So anyway, sorry, Danny, that's
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: the semantics thing.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Evan is saying. The Chargers run a lot of quarters
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: most of the time.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: What is the second and most their second and third
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: most frequent coverage that they run.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: Is there any chance they completely switch from quarters? It's
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: a good question.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: This is probably something that you know is going to
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: also be the game within the game. Like if the
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: Patriots come out opening drive first couple drives, McDaniels is
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: in his bag with the quarters beaters and Drake may
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: just is shredding their quarters defenses. They play cover three
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: a ton now next Gen says it's cover three. Quarters
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: can kind of look like cover three sometimes to the
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: AI bot, so like it's kind of it depends on
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: you know what down you're really talking about. But they
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: play a lot of Cover three, and they play a
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: lot of Cover two as like sort of their change
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: ups to quarters. So they'll play some Tampa two with
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: the pull runner in the middle of the field, and
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: they'll play some three buzz where you know, they start
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: in too high safety and then they rotate one of
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: the safeties down into the short zone and then they
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: create Cover three.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Out of that.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: So could they pivot to that? Absolutely, maybe more Tampa.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: I don't think I would pivot to cover three against
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: Drake May. I think that's a death sentence. But I
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: could see them pivoting to more two or two man
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: as sort of a compliment to the quarter stuff. But
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: to me, like, if you're gonna play too high safety anyways,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: like it's not it's kind of the same thing, like
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: if you're gonna play quarters, or if you're gonna play
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: two man, there's cover two. It's really kind of the
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: same thing. There's another question here. Let me see if
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: I can find the exact email that I meant to
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: hit on earlier and I forgot when we were talking
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: about the run game? Is Ben Brown? This is from
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: David Maine. Is Ben Brown a better guard than Jared
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: Wilson for the run game? Seems like every time he's playing,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: the running backs have a quote unquote breakout game. So
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: the Ben Brown Jared Wilson conversation I think is really
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: really fascinating. There's no doubt that Will Campbell is healthy
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: and Will Campbell is playing like that's not a question
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: In terms of left tackle, I do think left guard
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: is a conversation.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: The one thing I would.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: Say for Ben Brown he's just bigger, Like he's just
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: a little bit bigger.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think Ben.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: Brown is really like a maler either. I don't really
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: think that's necessarily his game. But he's bigger. He's wider
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: than Jared Wilson. He takes up more space than Jared Wilson.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: And when you play Ben Brown next to Campbell and
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: Campbell is you know, as we know is a little built,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: a little bit more narrower and a little bit more
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: linear of a.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Of a frame.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: It just gives them a little bit more size and
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: sort of like mass on that side of the offensive line.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: I think I could make a.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: Really compelling case for them sticking with Ben Brown and
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: Jared Wilson will have his turn. He's probably gonna be
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: the starting center of the future for this team.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: He's earned that.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: He's definitely earned a starting job going into next year.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: But I kind of feel like maybe they're better off
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: with Ben Brown right now at left guard.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, you roll with the hot hand going
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: to the playoffs. It's nothing wrong with that.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: I also just don't love the idea of like continuing
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: to flip back and forth right, like, just just pick
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: a line.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: This is winner, go home.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: So I don't start Jared Wilson in this game and
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: then pull them or vite you know what I mean, Like,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: you just gotta pick a lane and stay in that lane.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: And I think right now, Ben Brown Brad Berry on
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: when who has been really rock solid in the middle
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: for the most part. Ben Brown was a little shaky
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: against the Jets for some reason. I don't know what
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: was going on with him in the beginning of that Jets,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: but it was a little weird for him there. All right,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: Danny's back, Let's get to Danny. Danny's in Daytona. What's up, Danny?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 10: Hey, can you guys hear me?
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah? We got you now, all right?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 10: I appreciate you. Sorry, brother, Yeah, And I tried to
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 10: call him last few weeks. I've been having a question
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 10: for you and Alex. So I want to start off
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 10: first with three takes to help. This is off season talk,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 10: but it will kind of help the Patriots, you know,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 10: fast track building on the sys of this current season.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 10: So the first player, I don't know if you've heard
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 10: of this guy, Romel Romeo height. He's a linebacker, yeah,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 10: he said he's he's an older guy. He's coming into
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 10: I think he's like age twenty five, so he's a
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 10: little older, but he has experience. They said he'd be
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 10: not a huge project, but with the right coaching staff,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 10: they'll get him up the speeds to play fast. He's
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 10: you know, very physical, he has trace. He just needs
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 10: a good position coach, which I believe we have in
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 10: the building to work with him and Mike Rabel and
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 10: you know, the heat. They said that they can see
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 10: him mock drafts, see him project to be a really
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 10: good linebacker. The other one who the most mocked people
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 10: think that the Patriots will take is Max. He's a
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 10: Nigerian offensive tackle Arizona State. He's really good, very tall,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 10: very big, very athletic. They said he needs to work
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 10: a little bit more on his pass blocking, but he's
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 10: very dominant run blocker. And then the other player that
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 10: they have is another eighteen point five stacked artist from Oregon.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 10: I don't know if you heard him. I got his
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 10: name here. Mock drafts have him going coming out of
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 10: His name is Matteo. Yeah, yeah, I can't. Yeah, he's
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 10: really I want to see your guys take on that.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 10: And then the last thing, what do you guys think
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 10: about I hear this talk of Thomas Brown leaving the
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 10: Patriots to possibly interview with the Arizona Cardinals, and who
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 10: do you think they should replace if Thomas Brown does departure?
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 10: And do you also think that Arizona is using Thomas
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 10: Brown as a Rooney rule checkoff or do you think
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 10: he will actually be.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: Hired Thanks to the call, Danny appreciate it. A lot
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: of good stuff there. I'm pretty familiar with the Oregon
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: player just from watching the playoffs.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's DJ's brother. He's been really good for them. Obviously,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: Oregon has a ton of success with players in front.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: We'll talk a lot about him. Yeah, Romelo Height, you're.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: Big on this.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: When everybody's watching the star player, Yeah, it's the guy
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: on the other side.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: The team's like, wait, who's this guy? So David Bailey, who.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: Is objectively Texas tech right, a perfect Patriots fit, and
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: we were high on earlier this season and the Patriots
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: like three and two.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not getting David Bailey. He's gonna be top
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: ten pick.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Ramelo Heights on the other side and kind of similar
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: player that kind of same guys on both sides. He
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: is also late first, early second. Him and Ui Young
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: the same range. Both good names to know.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: I think Romel Height little more speed player, we underlay
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: a little more power player.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: But I mean they both make sense. As for the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: tackle from Arizona State, I know a little about him.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: I just know he's super raw. So you're talking about
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: a project player probably day three. He has a right tackle,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: which they need, but I'm yeah, beyond that, I they
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: they could probably use a project tackle, but I don't
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: know that it specifically has to be him.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: He's you know, I usually have the big guys.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: He's huge, but like I don't nothing stands out outside
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: of his size.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: So uh, I do think they're in the tackle market. Obviously,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: they're in the past rushing market.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: We know that.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: I do think they're in the tackle market.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: You know, Morgan Moses at thirty four, he's been fantastic
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: and I would definitely bring him back.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: Uh, and I get the next guy in the build.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, get the next guy in the building. Maybe he
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: mentors him a little bit for the Patriots.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: The one guy that I know, you know, off the
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: top of my head in terms of that, the Samoan
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: kid from Miami.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: Uh Milaga. Yeah, so he's be like a top they're not.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: Kidding him, Okay, so he's gonna go too high.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: He's Yeah, he's might be the first tackle.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: So I think that that guy is he's awesome, really
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: freaking good. Now, some people kind of view him as
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: like would be a pretty good right tackle, but might
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: be like an all pro guard, you know, it's that
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: sort of thing again.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: Uh, but I would they're all better guards and town.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's a is a stud.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: So if you there's to go back to the other thing,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: like who's the guy on the other side. Right, Utah
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: has two tackles who both can probably play. I'm trying
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: to remember which is which. I keep getting them mixed up.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: No, their right tackles, the guy at the top, never
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: mind both their tackles is a good one in the
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: first round.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I don't know if you're using another first
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: round pick on a tackle I'm not against probably, you
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: know me, I'm always with the offensive line, so I
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: don't think that that's where they start.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: There could be one scenario. I've talked to you a
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: little bit about this guy, Jennings Dunker from Iowa.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, is a plays right tackle. He's probably with the mullet. Mullet.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: He is one of you talk about a guy that
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: plays nasty and mean and physical and it's just kind
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: of an a hole on the field.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he is.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: They need a little bit of that.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: So he's probably a guard lawn a guard long term.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: But does he play left guard?
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: Well, so he plays tackle, so we don't know.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: But like he's somebody that guy, so the left guard,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: the pipeline's right there for him to go to left guard.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: He's more so a guy that might he he has
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: the resume to me and this is early the subject
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: to change, Like maybe you'd give a look at tackle
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: before you movement. Ultimately movements, right, I think like Kane Wallace, right.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I feel like he I've seen a little
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: bit of him because he can't like everybody talks about
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: the mullet guy so like it's.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: Like it's all over.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: It's always just a clips of him beated a crap
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: out of people.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: The way he finishes blocks and the nastiness that he
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: plays with I think is exactly they need a little
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: infusion in that on the offensive line.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 6: There.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: They're offensive line right now as a tad bit fine
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: for my liking, as much as the group has improved significantly,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: and I actually have a piece coming about that. But
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: they they could use a mall er, they could use
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: a nail bier.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: So you're probably you're probably taken him in the first round. Dunker,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to take guard in
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: the first round. I'll give you more more names while
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: we're on it. For people watching college football playoff Manual
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: pregnant known, I don't know exactly what you pronounced.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: He's Organ's left guard. He's a whole bunch of mean
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: He's a whole bunch of mean and nash.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: He's supposed to be a second round pick. You have
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: to trade up in the second round to get him.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: But plug and play starting left guard.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: I love the Patriots offensive line. I've had a lot
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: of fun covering that group, and they're a lot of
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: fun and super nice guys. Will Campbell's got a little
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: bit of a mean streak, Yeah, he definitely has that.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: But they could use an a hole in that room.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: They could use a logan makings. Like I'm not talking
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: about the talent, obviously, any team could use a logan
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: makings in terms of the talent, I'm talking about the
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: mentality right right, and that sort of thing. They could
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: use someone like that, you know, Bradburry, Moses on Wenu.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: Super nice guys, good football players really, you know, impressive
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: please with their seasons all that, But they could use
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: a guy that could, you know, bite some kneecaps, you know,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: So we'll see what happens there. Speaking of biting kneecaps,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: color I also mentioned some of the coaching changes around
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: the league. I wanted to talk about that a little
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: bit here before we get back to the calls and stuff.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: A couple of things on that.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: The John Harbaugh situation I find fascinating. Yes, they the
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: reporting as of right now, there's six openings, right if
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, seven six or seven.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: Seven including Nice, seven including the Ravens. Yeah, because it
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: was reported last night. So there's seven teams are talking
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: to Horrball and there's seven openings.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: So there's six openings because he's not going to go
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: back to Baltimore. There's six openings, and like there's some
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: reporting at at seven, there's some reporting that there's nine teams,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: Like there's more teams that have called about John Harbaugh
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: than have coaching openings. So John Harbaugh, as expected as
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: everybody would.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: Expect, is good.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: His time ran out in Baltimore, and maybe the message
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: got sound real quick. According to Josina Anderson, this is
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: within the last hour. One of those teams is the Dolphins.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, so they he's going to have a huge market.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: He's a great coach. Uh So naturally he's going to
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: have a huge market.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: I feel like he's going to end up in the
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: AFC East.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: You mentioned Miami. Yeah, that's a possibility.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: I think the Giants are for some reason, and they
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: have some roster talent and Elik Neighbors will be back,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: and I get that. I'm just maybe it's just me
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: not being totally sold on Jackson Dart. It seems like
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: the Giants are the bell of the ball. And maybe
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: it's New York and the Giants, you know, organization is
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: a good organization, and they do have, you know, some talent,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: especially on defense, I.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Think, and maybe some of it is that Jackson Dart
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: isn't the kind of guy you need to be.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: Completely sold on.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: You have the flexibility either roll with him or if
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: you don't like it, like you're not like for instance,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: in Tennessee. And I'm surprised Tennessee is not more desired
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: because I thought cam Ward, with what he had actually
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: played pretty well this year, thought he had Drake rookie
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: Drake mayish season. But like you go to Tennessee, cam
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: Ward's a quarterback. That's a non negotiable. I wonder if
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: the Giants are open to hearing more ideas at quarterback.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: They should be, and that might make it more of
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: an ideal landing spot for some coaches who want to
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: go else Now. It's not a good year to need
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: a quarterback, right but unless you're getting Fromana Mendoza. But
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: I wonder if maybe some coaches look at it and say, well,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: I want this veteran, I want this draft pick, and
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't They don't have to be tied
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: to Jackson Dark.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: The Giants are always in, you know, in some ways
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: understandably or are viewed as a very stable, very good ownership. Obviously,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: it's New York and they have a lot of to
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: bankroll off of the market that they're in, so they
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: they they're always looked at as a very good organization.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: The Titans, I agree with you.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: I actually think if I was Tennessee, I would be
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: full court pressing Mike McCarthy. I think that that would
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: be a great hire for them. It's an offensive coach
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: who I don't think is totally done, Like I don't
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: think his system was totally outdated in Dallas, and he's
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: an offensive coach that can help cam Ward. But he's
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: also got a pedigree and he's got a background. I
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: think the hardest thing that we're seeing, and I wanted
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: to talk a little bit about what's going on in
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: Washington and Detroit as well with their coordinators, is you know,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: John Harbaugh. But based off all the reporting, John Harbaugh
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: is a CEO head coach. He was a special teams coordinator.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: He doesn't major in offensive defense, so his coordinator hires
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: are everything, especially offensive coordinator. So there was some you know,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: rub or some tension with Todd Monkin, their offensive coordinator,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: who last year probably should have coached Lamar Jackson to
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: an MVP and is I think a very good offensive coordinator, but.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: Ship wanted ahead.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: John Harbad sounds like might have landed on the sword
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: for Todd Mankin and said, you're not firing Todd Monkin.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: So whatever the case may be, when you look at
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: these coaching hires this cycle, there's not a ton of
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: great options. Now John Harbaugh is available. But I want to,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: you know, talking about the CEO thing, which we've talked
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: about a million times, the Patriots have a honeymoon type
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: of thing where Josh McDaniels is an awesome offensive coordinator
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: probably is never going to get another shot as a
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: head coach, and Mike Vrabel is an awesome CEO head
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: coach who has a coordinator that has you know, job
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: security and is going to stay here.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: Even if Josh doesley. I mean it's gonna be. It's
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: not gonna be for a few years.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: And look, if Drake Nate can't handle coordinator change five, right,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: you know he should be able to.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: But the point I'm getting at is we're seeing now
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: in Detroit they fired John Morton, their offensive coordinator. Couldn't
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: have seen that coming, and they fire Cliff Kingsbury or
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: parted ways with Cliff Kingsbury and Washington. That is Dan Campbell,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: who was calling plays for Detroit at the end of
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: last season, but really as a CEO, you know, leader
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: of men type head coach, and Dan Quinn who's a
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: defensive head coach. This whole thing is just kind of
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: fascinating to me about where this coaching cycle moves because
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: I think it's hard if you have to hit on
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: your coordinator hires. If you do hit on your coordinator hires,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: you have to hit on another round of coordinator hires.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: So exactly what happened in Detroit is a situation that
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: everybody is trying to avoid.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: Where they hit, they had.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: Great success, they made an NFC championship game, Ben Johnson
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: and Aaron Glenn get hired away. I don't think Aaron
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: Glenn ended up being a huge loss. But Ben Johnson,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: the defense wasn't great. It wasn't great with Aaron Glenn either,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: but Ben Johnson was a massive, massive loss for that team,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: and now they're kind of back at square one.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: I just met that more the sense that I don't
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: think Glenn's results in the Jets are indicative of what
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: happened in it.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: He's not a zero ben.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson could have blown up in chicagoan we'd still
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: be talking about what big a loss he does for
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: the for the Lions. So no, they have a great
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: It's it's part of the reason the Patriots have a
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: great setup, and that's why it's so important. And it's
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: something Bill Belichick did for years and years and years,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: and ultimately when they kind of failed to do it
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: was a big part of things falling apart at the end.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: You have to have the pipeline. It's not just getting
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: the OC you know, job rights the quarterbacks coach and
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: the tight ends coach and the offensive line coach, and
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: you know, getting not one, but multiple of those guys
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: ready to step into the OC job when the time comes,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: and then replacing them, and you know, you have to
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: be able to do that and the pipeline dried up
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: in Detroit and dried up in other places.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: They didn't really have a succession plan in truth exactly.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: And that's the problem. Like if you go back, I
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: love doing this thing. If you go back and people
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: talk about the one Patriots coaches have the O one,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: O four, and it's it's it's it's Belichick, it's Charlie Weiss,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: it's Romeo Cornell, like dream Team. Well, Josh McDaniels is
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: an assistant on that staff and Eric Eric Manjini's it like,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: and then all the guys from the next era were
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: assistants on that staff. And then when those guys with
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: the coordinators, you go, look, it's like Matt Patrician, Brian
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: Flores and like, those guys are the assistants on the
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: next one. And they always had another guy ready to
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: step up. And because you know when that guy leaves,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: when Ben Jonson leaves, he's gonna take people with them.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: You can't take everybody, so you got to make sure
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: that you have multiple people ready to be that next guy.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: And I think that's so important.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: And you know, now you have these jobs like run
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: Game Pass Corps, run game Coordinator, Pass game coordinator. What
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: a great way to get your next coordinator ready and
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: teams capitalizing on that. So again with McDaniels, we think
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: he's probably a lot to stay here. But having a
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: guy like Thomas Brown, having a guy like Ashton Grant
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: in the roles they're in young guys who are kind
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: of right there with McDaniels doing it that if he
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: did leave Todd Downing, so you have the next guy
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: up on defense, right, Zach Korr, being right there and
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: ready to go.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: So I think that's it's not so much. I know,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: people you.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Have to hire offensive coaches. Do you think you coaches
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: don't mean anything? I know you don't, but people do.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's so much that if you plan
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: to never hire another good coach, then yeah, you should
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: probably hire an offensive coach.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: So Dan Campbell.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: But but I think the real what really sets organizations
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: apart coaching wise, is how deep is your pipeline, How
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: good are you at hiring the positional coaches, the assistant
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: positional coaches right keeping that room stocked so you can
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: just churn through and go to the next guy.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: That's a great organization apart.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: Sure, And I think what was so weird about the
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: Lions is that they let Tanner Egstrant just walk out
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: the door right exactly, and like, I don't I know,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: the Jets offense was a train wreck, but it wasn't
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: who work, It wasn't poorly coordinated. They just had no talent, right,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: every time I watched the Jets tape on offense, it
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: just was talentless. But I wasn't like this is sloppy,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: this is messy, Like it wasn't bad. It just there's
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: just no talent on the field. So I would love
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: to know, you know, if I was a Lions reporter,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: I would love to ask Dan Campbell, like why didn't
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: you block Aaron Glenn from taking Tanner Egstrand with you?
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: Because it seems like that is that was really their
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: succession plan. Engstrand decides to go to the Jets with
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: Aaron Glenn and you weren't.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: Even have to block him from going.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: Just give him the promotion, right, and then Morton is
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: more of like an offensive line guy, not necessarily a
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: coordinator like and offensive line guy. He's a guy that
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: hadn't been there. Yeah, so all the success that you had,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: wouldn't it be great?
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's not in the building, but somebody who watched
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson do everything he did that could maybe tap
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: into that there's value in that they go outside of that.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: I guess he'd been there. Morton was there for a year,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: I think because like a senior assistant, but no like
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: having a guy because Engstrand had been there I think
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: for a while. Right he came up with Ben Johnson. Yeah, so, uh,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: we're going to he was there before Benjons Yeah, so
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: Moreen was in twenty twenty two.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: He was there.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: He's a wide receivers coach in San Francisco. But I
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: remember when he got to that like coordinator senior assistant level,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: he was working a lot with like protections and run
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: blocking and things like that.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: So Engstrom was the pass game coordinator under Ben Johnson. Like,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: that's such a natural you want natural progression. The guy
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: in the building, who's the guy you lost, left hand man,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: right hand man, whatever you want to put it makes
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: so much more sense than a guy who hasn't been here,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: who didn't see the success we had. Look, if your
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: team sucks, you probably want to go outside.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: That's not saying.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: Every team should be promoting within forever. But if you're
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: a good team, you're gonna lose guys not because you're
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: firing them because they're doing a bad job, but because
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: they're getting hired elsewhere. And when they do that, you want,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: I think you'd want somebody who was in the building
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: to replace them.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: And people will hear that and say, well, don't you
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: want outside voices?
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: You can still bring in the senior assistant, the senior advisor, whatever,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: or the outside voices come from, you know, to the
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: Patriots case, a guy like Riley Larkin who was at
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: Ohio State was in a different place and comes in
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: on the ground floor and brings that outside knowledge and
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: learns within your system with the basis of that outside knowledge.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: The biggest thing I would say, you know from the
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: Patriots of the pass that Belichick.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: You know, we talked about it.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: McDaniels talked about it when they hired Rabel, about picking
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: him up at the airport. As like the Aaron Boy
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: right of the coaching staff in like two thousand and one,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: that the Aaron Boys in two thousand and one were
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels, Brian Dable, Matt Patricia, like those guys started
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: in like the closet in your film room and you know,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 4: cutting up things for Belichick and things like that.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: So in four, I'll just give it you real quick.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: And four you had, first of all, in the front
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: office in supporting roles. You had Nick Casario, Thomas de
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: Mittrof and a couple other guys who obviously went on
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: to him success. Josh McDaniels is the quarterbacks coach. I
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: think those first or second year in that role. He
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: started as a defensive assistant and then became yeah, first
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: year as the quarterbacks coach. Know. Four, Brian dave All
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: as the wide receivers coach, Matt Patricia was an offensive
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: coaching assistant. You had Eric Manngini on the defensive coaching
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: staff as a general assistant.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: So that that that's obviously the blueprint. And you know
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: it's easy to sit here and say, oh, that's the
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: blueprint as the sixth time Super Bowl champion winning coach, right.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: Like you know, but that's like there's a reason that worked.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But the other thing I wanted to mention and
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: then we'll take these last.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: Calls to keep going. Sorry, and O seven McDaniels is
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: the OC. You know, Bill O'Brien on the offensive staff
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: as an assistant. You have Matt Patricia Josh Boyer on
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: the defensive staff.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: Like it just it keeps churning.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: Through the other thing I wanted to mention was what
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: happened in Cleveland. So Kevin Stefanski gets fired in Cleveland.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: Kevin Stefanskie is a good coach. It was probably time, like, yeah,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: at some point, you got to win, right like that,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: that's what the league is about.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: Right year and say he's a good coach. He's a
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: good coach at some point.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: And I know he got that team to the playoffs
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: when you know, with Joe Flacco and stuff like that,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: but it didn't win.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: They weren't winning.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: It was the whole brown thing. Uh, So Stefanski's out. Stefanski,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: I think, is going to get recycled right back in.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: If I had to guess, Uh, there's.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: Just going to get whoever the runner up for Harbay is.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: There's just too many openings and he's too solid of
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: a higher He's not. It's not an innovative or exciting
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: hire per se, but it's just a solid higher. I
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: doubt that he'll have to take the a gap year.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: Maybe he does, uh, you know, because I had a
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: lot of people asking, well, what who could Stefanski do
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: what Rabel did in Cleveland with the Patriots.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: I I don't.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that's going to have to happen
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: for Stefanski. The other thing that I would say about
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: this that I think is more prevalent is all of
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: Stefanski's assistant coaches, right because Rabel was just in Cleveland
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: last year with all these guys. He brought Ashton Grant
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: already with him from the Cleveland staff to New England
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 4: this year. So the two names that I would look at,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 4: and this kind of ties back to what the caller
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: mentioned that kind of brought this all up, is that
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: Thomas Brown is interviewing in Arizona for the head coaching position.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: I don't think Thomas Brown's going to be a head
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: coach in the league. I do think Thomas Brown might
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: be a coordinator. Yeah, yet I don't think the city.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: I do think there's a chance that Thomas Brown is
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: an offensive coordinator or a play caller someplace else next year.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: So when I look at this whole.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: Thing, with what happened in Cleveland, there's probably a million
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: low level assistants that we don't really know a ton
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 4: about that could be coming to New England. But the
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: two big fishes, Jim Schwartz on the defensive side of
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: the ball and Tommy Reeves on the offensive side of
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: the ball. So is there a chance that if Thomas
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: Brown moves on and becomes a play caller someplace else
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: or a coordinator or whatever. It's really simple to just say,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: you know, Thomas Brown out Tommy Reeson, Like that's a
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: pretty tight ends pass game coordinator title. Uh, Tommy Reese
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: was the tight ends coach in Cleveland, I believe.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: My end's coach and pass game specialists not cordating the
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: same exact deal. Well, and the other thing with Tommy
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: rees too that you could do is like, does Ashton
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: Grant get bumped up for a coordinator job just having
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: been so adjacent to Drake May.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Tommy Reese becomes quarterbacks coach.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I like Ashton Grant a lot. I think he's
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: a little young.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: So yeah, but I know how this works when you're
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: ready for though, Yeah, when you're adjacent to somebody who's great, like.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: That's going to be Thomas Brown. Thomas Brown is going
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: to get the credit for being adjacent.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: Well, does somebody offer Ashton Grant the passing game coordinator thing?
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: It's possible or maybe that's when he comes here.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: But like I look at it with Stefanski, right, because
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: Ashton Grant was in Cleveland with Stefanski.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Stefanski doesn't.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: Call the plays wherever he goes, So you can have
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: kind of a younger Roc you could.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: I think you ever hire Stefanski though, is going to
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: want him to try to branch out a.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: Little bit in terms of that.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: But I I I'm not trying to like rail or
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: pooh pooh Ashton. He's just like, I think he's got
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: a couple more years to learn the tricks of the trade.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: I just wonder if adjacent to Drake may speeds him
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: up a little bit.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: Maybe with Thomas Brown, I think that that's possible. I
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: think Tommy Reese is a prime candidate on the defensive
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: side of the ball. Jim Schwartz. Jim Schwartz was on
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: vrabel staff in Tennessee for a minute. He was in
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: Cleveland with him last year. There's an affinity there, There's
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: a relationship there. I just want to be clear, like
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that they should fire Zach Korr.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, but and they still have Terrell Williams though.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: Technically Terrell Williams. I would imagine that Terrell Williams is
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: probably not going to be coaching again in the NFL
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: given his health situation. That's just a hunch. I don't
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: know any information. I'm just saying I imagine that that
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: might be the case.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: Well, they could they keep him around as like an
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: advisor too or something like.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying like just throw him to the curve.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying I don't think he's going to be
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: coaching in a full capacity, okay in the NFL. Yeah,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: if that's the case, Like, does Jim Schwartz come in
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: as the same title that he was in Tennessee, which
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: was senior defensive assistant and just help a young coordinator
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: in Zach Korr with some of the details of the
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: scheme and the game planning and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: I think that that would really help a lot. You know,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: Terrell Williams has been around a little bit, but totally
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 4: totally fair, Like nobody should expect anything with the guy
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: that's trying to fight cancer. You know, to come in
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: here and help coach a football team. So with Jim Schwartz,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: I think that there has that element to it that
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: he could bring to the table, you know, just looking
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 4: at it objectively, like could he come in and help
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: them with game plans a little bit so they don't
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: get scripted early in games is easily, you know, third
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 4: down game script openings, drives, things like that. Those are
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: the types of things that like an experienced coordinator like
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: Schwartz would be able to do. I don't see Rabel
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: taking the play calling away from Core because I think
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 4: one of the big things that Rabel, going all the
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: way back to January when I talked to him at
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl, Rabel said that he's into developing people,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: Like he's really big on developing coaches, developing players, developing
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  Speaker 4: people that are within his web.
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  Speaker 2: And I think.
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  Speaker 4: Zach Korr is like a project for him, Like he
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  Speaker 4: wants to develop Zach Korr as a coach. So I
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  Speaker 4: don't think he's gonna like one and done Zach Korr
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  Speaker 4: and then just replace him with Jim Schwartz. But he
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  Speaker 4: might add Jim Schwartz to the staff as like a
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  Speaker 4: brain power.
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  Speaker 3: How about Shane Bowen.
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  Speaker 4: That's possible too. Shane Bowen is really really tight with Corr.
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  Speaker 4: So Shane Bowen is the Giants defensive coordinator who obviously
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  Speaker 4: well now was I seeah in theory.
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  Speaker 3: They fired him?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they fired him right, but Patriots right, So
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  Speaker 4: he's uh, he's out in the Giants.
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  Speaker 2: So that's another one. And that's one.
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  Speaker 1: He's with the whole time in Tennessee and he was
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: there his DC for the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know what Zach Korr's relationship is with
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: Jim Schwartz.
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  Speaker 4: I do know for a fact that Zach Korr looks
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: at Shane Bowen, is like a mentor for him in
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: the coaching world, and is very very tight with Shane Bowen.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe that dynamic would work a little bit better.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, but either way, it does create and
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  Speaker 4: I know that your station will jump all over this.
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  Speaker 4: It does create a like you know, Rabel has somebody
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  Speaker 4: over the shoulder kind of there.
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  Speaker 3: And ready to take it over.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we had this with Thomas Brown and Josh McDaniels,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: which was crazy, of course, but we had it. And
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: if Shane Bowen gets hired as a former Rabel DC
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 4: or Jim Schwartz gets hired as a very very widely
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: respected defensive coordinator. If Zach Korr has a rough start,
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  Speaker 4: that's we're going to be doing it on the other
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: side of the ball.
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  Speaker 2: So that's one thing to think about. But I do
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  Speaker 2: think that they could use the.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: Talent or the brain power, you know, of adding a
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: guy with a real coordinator experience to help out a young.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: Guy like Zach warn Yeah, is there anything I think
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  Speaker 1: that's it? On the coaches? We only have five minutes.
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  Speaker 3: It'll be really interesting to see what happens with the
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: Bills this weekend.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: I had this thought last night, like Harbaugh to the
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: Bills makes I would not yep sign yet. If I'm Harbaugh,
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  Speaker 1: I would wait and see what happens with Buffalo, So
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  Speaker 1: I would assume are there any playoff teams that are
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: I guess I feel like Tomlin's going to be safe
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  Speaker 1: now that they made it, But are there any other
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: playoff teams that you think like the coach needs a
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: win to keep his job.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: Is Philly still there?
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: We've talked about Philly being there and think so unless
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: the floor there, unless that's like an absolute train wreck
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes that we don't know about, which it
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: might be.
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  Speaker 2: You know what about Tomlin? Like is Tomlin Tomlin?
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: Maybe but he's not well. Actually, him to the Steelers
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  Speaker 3: would be awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Could you imagine that I'm switching. That's not going to happen,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: But I I the floor.
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  Speaker 1: There were some rumblings when they were struggling in the
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: middle of the season at his job. I whether it's
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Green Bay or Buffalo, I wait if from Harball because
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: those are much better jobs than anything that's open right now.
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  Speaker 4: I would say Pittsburgh is still tenuous at best. Like
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: day one the Division on a miss.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: Field goal that was you know, it was a forty
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: two yarder that the kid missed.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: You know, like that was not.
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  Speaker 3: But we know Pittsburgh doesn't fire coaches.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not gonna make their first ever coach firing
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: after for a team that made the playoffs.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: That they made the playoffs, but let's face it.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: They made it. But they we know how they look
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: at what's a better opening, uh, Baltimore, Buffalo, Buffalo?
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: I think Baltimore. The Lamar situation is just a little
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: bit dicey.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: What's the better opening Baltimore green.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: Bay, Green Bay. I think they have a better rosters.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: I'd wait. If I was, I'd wait, it's close.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: It's close with all those three teams.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: I think I would rather invest in Josh Allen than
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: invest in Lamar, just because Lamar has been hurt and
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: whatever is going on with Lamar behind the scenes in Baltimore,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: I think that there's a little bit of weirdness going
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: on there.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: I get no, I agree with you, but I'm like,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: not that Harbaugh can go back to Baltimore.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just pointing out, like those are good.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: Baltimore considered the number one opening right now, and those
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: are both better.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: If Buffalo loses on Sunday to Jacksonville, there's no doubt
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: that that will be on the hot seat. And I'm
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 4: sorry we might not get to the calls, but this
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 4: is important for the AFCs. Sean McDermott has been taking
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: some not so subtle shots at Brandon Bean, their general manager.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: Over the last call was not done a good job,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: by the way.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: No, So the first shot that he took was about
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: Jacoby Myers, who was traded at the trade deadline to Jacksonville.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: I assume that Buffalo was in it and didn't want
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: to outbid Jacksonville for Jacobe Myers.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers has been.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: Great in Jacksonville and might be a reason why the
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 4: Jacksonville Jaguars beat the Bills on Sunday in the playoffs.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: I think Buffalo, but it's it's close.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: So he took a little shot at the being for that,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: and then Max Harriston their their rookie corner has been
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: hurt all year, like you know, soft tissue things and
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: things like this one and a half, he's hurt again
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: and probably isn't going to play in the playoff game,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: and so he took another shot at him about the
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: depth at corn. Yeah, and that tells me that there's
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: some sort of behind the scenes tension between those two
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: guys who have been together forever since Carolina and all
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. But my guess is is that
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: that if they lose and they go one undone in
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: the playoffs on Sunday, like that could definitely be a
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 4: power struggle, you know who wins.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, whereas g should probably both be out.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they might both be out.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw a Green Bay one in there again.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna you know.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: It, does it feels like they're underperforming.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Micah got hurt, so that's a big
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: part of it.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: And how how long has Laflour been there a while,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: It's been a while.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: How many playoff wins?
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: Does he have a couple?
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: I mean they went to the NFC Championship game. What
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: was that against San Francisco?
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: That was with Rogers. That was not that recently. He
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: is three and five in the playoffs. He's won one
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: playoff game since twenty twenty.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: Okay, I mean, yeah, it's definitely possible. But like you
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: know with Aught with the same thing with John Harbaugh,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 4: if Matt Lafore gets fired, he's gonna have a job
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 4: in two seconds.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean sometimes you just gotta fair enough. It's
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: not working.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: It's not working, all right, we gotta wrap it up.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry to some of the callers that we had
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: to leave. PU will be up in nine minutes, so
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: we'll get to your phone calls on Patriots Unfiltered. I'll
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: be on there for the first hour Sunday kickoff on Sunday.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: Huh, we're gonna do. We're gonna do.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: We're gonna set something up there.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: We're gonna do a little in studio action on Sunday
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: morning before Patriots Chargers. On Sunday night, I'll be in
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: studio with the Sports Hubs, so be sure to listen
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: to Sunday Kickoff and then I'll be on there for
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 4: one of the hours of the show as well, so
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: that would be fun. And then Sunday Night football Patriots
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 4: Chargers playoff game. Next week, we'll be back here on
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 4: CASH twenty two. I hope that we're talking about the
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: divisional round playoffs and the Patriot it's playing Jacksonville or
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: whoever they draw in the divisional round. We'll obviously do
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: a full autopsy of the game winner lose, So we'll
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 4: talk to you guys, then pee us up in a
• 1:51:08
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