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Tova Noel And The Transcript From Her Congressional Testimony (Part 6) (6/20/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the Tovin o Weell interview
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  with Congress. Question. You touched on it previously, but you're
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  all in one place for your two shifts in the
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  shoe on August ninth and tenth. Who were your co
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  workers for each shift? Answer? So, on August ninth it
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  was myself, BONHAMI and David. On August tenth it was
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  myself and Thomas. Question and I think you had said
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  that was your first time working with Thomas? Is that right? Answer? Correct? Question?
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  How about for a BONHAMI and David answer? I work
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  with Davis? Yes, so for I worked with Davis before,
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  and I worked across from BONHAMI before. Question and for
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  all three of those colleagues, what was the chain of
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  command if there was one between you? Did you report
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  to any of those individuals? Answer? No, we're all correctional officers.
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  The only one that would have had a different type
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  would have been Michael Thomas as the materials handler. Question
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  were all of them or any of them senior to you? Answer? Senior,
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  as they've been there longer than me. Yes. Question is
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  that a case for all three of them? Answer all
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  of them? Correct question? When that was the case, would
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  it typically be that, I know you would not report
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  to them, but would they sort of practically or informally
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  be in charge so to speak? Answer correct question? And
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  so who are the lieutenants or supervisors for each of
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  those shifts? Answer so on the fourth to midnight Kanada
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  call to mandate me. So it was Kanada. And then
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  on the midnight to eight in the morning, it was
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  Lieutenant Anderson. Question, was this your first ever overnight shift
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  at the Shoe? Answer correct question? Do you recall who
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  was working in ten South for those two shifts? Answer
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  for the four to midnight, don't recall. Midnight to eight
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  it was Adam's question. Would it usually just one guard
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  or one co and ten South? Answer? Yes, it's supposed
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  to be two, but it's one question. Is that because
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  you guys were undermanned short staffed? Answer correct question. Like
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  to get a little bit more background on counts and rounds,
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  I'll just start with counts, which I know you did
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  discuss a little bit. Is it right that the basic
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  purpose of account is to count the number of folks
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  in the unit. Answer correct question. Okay. And the process
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  for account I think as you described it involves two guards,
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  Is that right? Answer correct question. One stands at the
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  grille of the tier and the other goes down range.
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  Answer correct question. And is counting inmates? Would that typically
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  be as they see them through the cell window? Answer
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  correct question? Okay? Would that ever involve opening a cell door?
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  Or never? Answer never? Question? Would account typically involve visually
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  confirming that an inmate is alive and breathing? Answer correct?
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  And in terms of paperwork, writing the count down? What
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  would be that process? Answer on the count slip, it
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  will be the number that you counted. And remember it's
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  two people counting, so it's like two people saying yes,
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  we both agree to this coount. So it will be
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  two signatures on the bottom of the count slip, and
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  it will have the unit the name of the unit
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  on there. Question. So, would one guard usually go downrange
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  count and then you switch and the other guard goes
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  and does the same thing? Answer correct question. And would
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  you normally know what number you're supposed to get or
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  is it just a matter of counting what you see? Question?
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  I don't know if it's ever happened in your case,
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  or if anybody ever mentioned But if there was a
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  mismatch in the numbers, you're not seeing the number that
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  you thought you would see. What would typically happen at
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  that point? Answer? If there was a mismatch, recount to
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  make sure that you counted accurately. If there's still a mismatch,
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  then control, call Control. Question who were what is control?
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  Just for us? Answer? Okay, so control is downstairs on
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  the first floor, and these are the people that you
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  report to count to because you have to call the
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  count in control. Also, like when you come into the building,
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  that's who you show your ID to. So it's like
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  a control center, the officers downstairs in control. Question in
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  terms of the count process that you just described, when
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  you would either participate in it or see it happen,
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  did it look different from what you just talked about
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  or would it typically match your description of the process? Answer?
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  It would typically match the description of the process. Question,
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  and you did describe this also, But another thing that
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  what happen during each shift would be rounds. Is that
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  right answer? Correct question? And what's the purpose of a round? Answer?
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  The purpose of a round is to make sure that
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  the inmates are okay. Question and there are around logs.
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  I think you said is that right answer? Yes? Correct question?
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  And this is a one guard job or always two
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  guards answer, So it will be two because you need
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  one person to open the grill and one person to
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  go down. But you're not verifying like how you would
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  do with the count question? Got it? And is the
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  round log I heard you talk about there need to
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  be one? I think two signatures? Is that right answer? So, no,
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  it doesn't the two signatures for the count slip the
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  round log it's one. So if I made a round
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  at ten and I logged it and I put my
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  signature and I go down to the bottom tier, you
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  can make the other round, or I can make all
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  the rounds and then the next time you can make it.
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  So rounds are not specific to a person. Question and
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  what is you sign and you submit the round log?
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  Is it trying to say? Is it obviously saying yes
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  I did this round? Is it saying and nothing bad
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  happened or everybody was fine? What's being signaled by the
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  round slip answer? I would think that the round slip
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  signaled like, yes, I made the round at this time.
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  Question does it involve the same amount of making sure
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  every inmate is breathing or is it something less than that?
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  Answer yeah, every inmate's breathing. Question So is it essentially
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  the same as count except you're not going through Answer
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  correct question. You're not counting, got it. In terms of
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  other required activities during a shift, what would those be?
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  I think you mentioned feeding inmates dinner. Answer correct question,
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  and that would be specific to the four PM to
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  midnight shift. Right answer correct question? Okay? Anything else such
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  as toilet trees or anything else? Answer yeah, toilet paper
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  if you're given out toilet paper. Question is the toilet
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  paper or toilet trees? Is that a thing that happens
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  at a specific time for everybody or is it just
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  as people ask for it? Answer? I'm not sure. If
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  they ask for it, we give it to them. But
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  I don't know if it's supposed to happen at a
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  different time. Question. But in your experience, it was kind
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  of whenever people say, Hey, I need some toilet paper.
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  Answer correct question, Okay, anything else that would typically happen
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  on every shift? Answer Order Lee's cleaning up. I mentioned
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  that earlier order leeds will be out cleaning up or
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  sometimes there's a little library an order, Lee can be
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  a library reading while other than that, for the most part,
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  the shoe is on lockdown. Question thank you. My colleague
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  has a few questions about the timeline, so I'll turn
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  it over. Answer okay, question, Miss Noel. I just have
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  a few questions related to Epstein's time at MCC before
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  August ninth and August tenth. Answer okay. Question. So it's
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  our understanding from the OIG report that Epstein was arrested
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  and brought to the MCC on July sixth, and that
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  he was initially placed in general population, and then on
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  July seventh, he was moved over to the shoe. Are
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  you aware of that? Answer no question, okay, So it
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  was your understanding that he was brought directly to the shoe.
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  Answer to the shoe question okay. And we established earlier.
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  I think that he was brought to the shoe because
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  he was high profile and nature. Answer correct. Question. Did
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  you hear anyone harassing Epstein in general population? Answer no question, okay.
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  Did you hear anything about other inmates trying to get
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  them to put money on their commissary accounts? Answer no question. Okay.
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  Did you ever hear Epstein paying any other inmates to
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  protect them, either in general pop or in the Shoe.
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  Answer no, question. And when's the first time that you
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  met or spoke to Ebstein? Answer? The first time that
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  I spoke to Epstein would have been August ninth. Question Okay.
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  On July eighth, Epstein was screened by a psychologist and
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  was placed on psychological observation. Were you aware of that? Answer? Yes?
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  Question and is this something that typically happens when an
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  inmate is brought into the Shoe? Are they usually given
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  a psychological screening? Answer they're supposed to? Question okay? And
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  is that just when they're brought into the Shoe or
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  when they're brought into general population or another unit? Answer
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  that I'm not sure. Question Okay, you're just aware of
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  the Shoe process. And we talked about the events on
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  July twenty third, so I'm not going to get into that,
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  but I would like to ask you a little bit
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  about the suicide watch process. So it's our understanding that
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  he was placed on suicide watch that same day, but
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  then he was taken off suicide watch the next morning
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  on July twenty fourth. Is that your understanding as well? Answer? Yes.
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  Question okay, And what is suicide watch? Could you describe
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  the process of that a little bit? Answer? So, when
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  you're on suicide watch, you're not upstairs in the shoe
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  question okay. Answer, you're downstairs in a holding cell with
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  no garments, no shoe string. It's like a mock, like
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  a Velcrose mock. And you're being watched twenty four hours
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  by another inmate. Question okay, by another inmate? Answer correct.
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  Question what about mcc staff? Is there staffers that work
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  in the holding cell area as well? Answer I'm not sure.
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  I just know the actual inmate has to be eyes,
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  has to be on the person all the time by
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  another inmate. As far as another staff, I'm not sure.
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  Question okay, is the other inmate a cellmate or are
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  they just there to watch? Answer? No, they wouldn't have
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  been a cell mate. They're not even from the shoe.
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  It would have been an inmate. Because some inmates are
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  allowed to work, so that will be the inmate's job,
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  like they're working. Question okay, And do you have an
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  understanding of why someone's placed on suicide watch? Obviously we
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  know why mister Epstein was, but other reasons that individuals
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  would be placed on suicide watch. Answer if they're saying
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  that they some people just say it, some people attempt
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  they will be placed on suicide watch. I don't know
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  of any other reason why they would be placed. Question okay.
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  And how about why somebody would be taken off suicide Watch?
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  Answer that I'm not aware of that process. Question okay?
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  And was it normal? It sounds like mister Epstein was
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  on suicide Watch for about twenty four hours. Is that
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  a typical time from you your understanding? Answer I'm not
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  aware of the process that would be the psychologist. Question okay.
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  And do you know why mister Epstein was taken off
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  suicide Watch? Answer? I don't know. Question okay. So then
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  it's our understanding that he was moved to something called
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  psychological observation and he was on under psychological observation from
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  July twenty fourth to around July thirtieth. Is that correct
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  to your recollection? Answer yes, question okay. And then could
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  you just describe what psychological observation is? Answer I don't know.
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  Question okay. Do you know if it looks similar to
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  suicide watch? Answer? I have no idea. Question okay. Are
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  you aware of whether inmates have a cell mate when
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  they're under psychological observation. Answer I don't know. Question. The
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  psychological observation also take place in the whole room or
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  are they in the shoe? Answer psychological observation, I don't
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  know question. Okay, So you're not aware of whether he
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  was in the same holding answer right, I don't know question.
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  But he was brought back to the shoe after that
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  psychological observation ended to your understanding, Answer correct question on
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  July thirtieth answer correct question, okay, and he was placed
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  in a different cell when he was brought back. Answer
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  correct because he wasn't with Tartaglioni anymore. Question. Yes, so
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  that was when he was moved to el tier. Answer
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  correct question. And to your understanding, before that, I think
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  he was an M tier. Is that correct? Answer? I
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  don't remember the letters, but he was on the bottom
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  where he was with Tartaglioni before they were on the
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  bottom of the middle tier. All right, folks, we're gonna
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  wrap up right here, and in the next episode dealing
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  with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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