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USPS Worker Executed in Mysterious Mail Route Ambush · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Think about the first thing you did when you woke
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Speaker 1: up this morning.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you're like most people, you probably
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Speaker 2: reach straight for your phone.
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Speaker 1: Right, exactly. You reach over, you dismiss an alarm, maybe
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Speaker 1: swipe away a few notifications, and then, you know, you
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Speaker 1: get in your car and your phone automatically pairs with
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Speaker 1: the Bluetooth system, right? Which is logging your exact departure time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're probably pulling up a navigation app, too,
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Speaker 2: which is constantly pulling live traffic data as you drive.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. And if you go to an office...
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Speaker 1: You're likely swiping a key card or logging into a
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Speaker 1: localized server. We just kind of navigate our days treating
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Speaker 1: all these devices as just, well, modern conveniences.
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Speaker 2: We really do. But underneath all of that, we are constantly,
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Speaker 2: almost unconsciously, writing this permanent, unalterable digital diary. Right.
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Speaker 1: We shed data like skin cells, honestly. And for the
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Speaker 1: vast majority of us, that data exhaust is completely harmless.
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Speaker 1: But what happens when someone decides to meticulously plan a murder,
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Speaker 1: taking every conceivable physical precaution, but they completely forget about
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Speaker 1: that invisible infrastructure?
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Speaker 2: And that blind spot right there, that is the absolute
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Speaker 2: Achilles heel of modern criminal enterprise. People still, they still
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Speaker 2: conceptualize crime through this 20th century lens, you know?
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Speaker 1: Like wearing a mask or hiding a weapon. Exactly.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. They think about wearing dark clothes or establishing an
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Speaker 2: alibi at a crowded restaurant. They focus entirely on the
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Speaker 2: physical theater of deception. But they completely fail to realize
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Speaker 2: that law enforcement, well, they no longer just look at
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Speaker 2: the physical stage.
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Speaker 1: Right. They put the server logs tracking the exact coordinates
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Speaker 1: of the actors on that stage.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do.
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Speaker 1: And that collision between analog crimes and digital realities is
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Speaker 1: exactly what we are focusing on today. So in this
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Speaker 1: deep dive, we're relying on a massive stack of primary
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Speaker 1: source materials.
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Speaker 2: It's a staggering amount of data, really.
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Speaker 1: It is. We are going to analyze extensive police body
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Speaker 1: cam footage, the raw audio of 911 dispatchers, neighborhood surveillance records,
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Speaker 1: and the actual word-for-word interrogation room transcripts regarding the murder
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Speaker 1: of a 33-year-old man named Jason Schaefer.
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Speaker 2: And the mission here is to move way past the
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Speaker 2: simple chronology of a true crime narrative. We are really
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Speaker 2: conducting a forensic deconstruction.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: We are going to analyze the psychology of a live-tracked
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Speaker 2: ambush that was hiding in plain sight. And specifically, we're
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Speaker 2: going to see what happens to the human brain in
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Speaker 2: an interrogation room when a fabricated physical alibi is just
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Speaker 2: systematically crushed by inescapable digital breadcrumbs.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's untack this. Because to understand the sheer scale
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Speaker 1: of the deception, we really have to start at the
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Speaker 1: physical crime scene.
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Speaker 2: Which is pretty shocking in itself.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. It occurs on October 13th, 2021, in this quiet,
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Speaker 1: really upscale neighborhood in Longmont, Colorado, called Somerset Meadows. It's
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Speaker 1: just a crisp autumn afternoon. And at 12.32 p.m., the
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Speaker 1: 911 dispatch center receives a frantic call from a resident
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Speaker 1: on Sicily Circle.
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Speaker 2: And the caller is just absolutely panicking.
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Speaker 1: Completely. And the information they give the dispatcher is just
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Speaker 1: incredibly stark. They just say, our post office guy was
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Speaker 1: just shot.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And when first responders arrive, it's just a chaotic
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Speaker 2: and grim scenario. There's a FedEx driver there who happened
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Speaker 2: to be servicing that same neighborhood route, and he's already
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Speaker 2: on the ground next to Jason Schaefer.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Just trying to help. Right.
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Speaker 2: Right. And the body cam footage from the first responding
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Speaker 2: officer just captures this extreme urgency. The officer sees Jason
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Speaker 2: is he's still breathing, but losing blood incredibly rapidly.
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Speaker 1: Oh, man.
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Speaker 2: So they make this split second decision to completely bypass
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Speaker 2: waiting for a medical evacuation helicopter. The officer literally yells,
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Speaker 2: throw him on the bench. Go, go, go. And they
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Speaker 2: load Jason directly into a police cruiser.
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Speaker 1: Just rushing him to the nearest trauma center themselves.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. But the trauma is just too severe. Jason succumbs
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Speaker 2: to his injuries shortly after arriving at the hospital.
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Speaker 1: It's just awful. And while the medical team is trying
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Speaker 1: to save Jason's life, the crime scene technicians are already
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Speaker 1: taping off Cicely Circle. They're processing the physical evidence right
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Speaker 1: then and there. And the neighbors report hearing a rapid
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Speaker 1: succession of four, maybe five gunshots.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the medical examiner later confirms that Jason was
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Speaker 2: struck exactly three times.
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Speaker 1: Right. One round entered his back. One struck him in
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Speaker 1: the left eye, and the final round hit him squarely
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Speaker 1: in the forehead.
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Speaker 2: And that final wound to the forehead, it fundamentally alters
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Speaker 2: the entire trajectory of the investigation.
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Speaker 1: Because of the stippling, right?
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Speaker 2: Exactly. There's a specific forensic indicator found on the surrounding
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Speaker 2: skin tissue, which is called stippling.
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Speaker 1: Let's dive into the ballistics of that for a moment,
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Speaker 1: just so we're clear. When a handgun is fired, the
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Speaker 1: bullet isn't the only thing that exits the barrel, you know?
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Speaker 2: Right. A gunshot is essentially this miniature, highly controlled chemical explosion.
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Speaker 1: Right. When the firing pin strikes the primer, it ignites
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Speaker 1: the gunpowder. That ignition creates these rapidly expanding gases that
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Speaker 1: force the projectile down the barrel. But along with the bullet,
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Speaker 1: the gun expels burning gunpowder, completely unburned gunpowder flakes, soot,
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Speaker 1: and vaporized lead and copper.
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Speaker 2: And if the muzzle of the weapon is held in
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Speaker 2: close proximity to the target, typically within about 24 to
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Speaker 2: 36 inches, all those microscopic particles strike the victim's skin.
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Speaker 1: With enough velocity to physically embed themselves, right?
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Speaker 2: Yes, right into the epidermis. And this creates a highly
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Speaker 2: distinct pattern of tiny, reddish-brown pinpoint abrasions surrounding the entrance wound.
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Speaker 1: And that abrasive tattooing pattern is what forensic pathologists call stippling.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: And medical examiners can actually use the diameter and density
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Speaker 1: of that stippling pattern to determine the exact distance the
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Speaker 1: muzzle was from the victim's head at the moment the
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Speaker 1: trigger was pulled. The wider the spread, the further away
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Speaker 1: the gun was.
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Speaker 2: It's incredible science. And the presence of stippling, it just
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Speaker 2: instantly rules out a whole host of scenarios.
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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, you don't get stippling from a stray
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Speaker 1: bullet passing through a neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: No, and you definitely don't get it from a drive-by
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Speaker 2: shooter firing out of a moving vehicle from the street.
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Speaker 2: Stippling requires intimate physical proximity.
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Speaker 1: It tells investigators that the shooter walked right up to Jason,
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Speaker 1: closed the distance to within arm's reach, stood directly over
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Speaker 1: or in front of him, and pulled the trigger.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And when you combine that forensic reality with the
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Speaker 2: fact that he was struck in the eye and the forehead, well,
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Speaker 2: you are looking at an execution-style assassination. Right.
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Speaker 1: And then you add the secondary physical evidence, or I
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Speaker 1: guess rather the lack of it, Because the United States
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Speaker 1: Postal Service mail van was sitting right there, idling.
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Speaker 2: Just running, totally untouched.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Jason's personal belongings, his wallet, his phone, completely untouched.
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Speaker 1: The mail itself, including potentially valuable packages, was entirely undisturbed.
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Speaker 2: Which means the motive clearly wasn't financial gain. Right. And
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Speaker 2: when investigators encounter an execution-style shooting with zero robbery component...
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Speaker 2: The probability of the event being a random act of
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Speaker 2: street violence, it just evaporates.
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Speaker 1: It becomes a highly personalized targeted killing.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. The assailant wasn't looking for a target of opportunity.
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Speaker 2: They were hunting Jason Schaefer specifically.
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Speaker 1: And the neighborhood witness accounts and surveillance footage, they really
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Speaker 1: confirm that predatory dynamic. Residents tell police they saw a
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Speaker 1: figure fleeing south down Renaissance Street right after the gunfire.
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Speaker 2: And the description is pretty ominous, right?
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Speaker 1: Very. They describe a shadowy figure wearing a dark hoodie,
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Speaker 1: a surgical-style blue mask, and loose-fitting dark clothing, clearly designed
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Speaker 1: to obscure their body shape. And investigators pull a neighbor's
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Speaker 1: ring doorbell camera, which actually captures the assailant's approach.
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Speaker 2: And that surveillance footage reveals a chilling level of premeditation
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Speaker 2: and operational awareness.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it shows the individual walking across the street, and
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Speaker 1: deliberately using the massive blind spot of the USPS mail
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Speaker 1: van to mask their approach. They sneak around the absolute
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Speaker 1: rear of the vehicle. It's like being a sitting duck
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Speaker 1: on a highly predictable schedule. Your route is public knowledge
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Speaker 1: to anyone who pays attention. But how does law enforcement
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Speaker 1: even begin to narrow down suspects when the victim's whole
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Speaker 1: job is to interact with hundreds of random strangers daily?
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Speaker 2: Well, this brings the investigation to a critical juncture, because
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Speaker 2: when the evidence points to a targeted assassination, homicide detectives
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Speaker 2: do not start by looking outward at those strangers on
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Speaker 2: the route.
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Speaker 1: They look inward, right?
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Speaker 2: Exactly. They draw a tight circle around the victim and
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Speaker 2: begin in the absolute center. They examine the inner circle,
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Speaker 2: family members, romantic partners, close associates, anyone with whom the
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Speaker 2: victim had recent frictions. Statistically, the vast majority of homicide
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Speaker 2: victims are killed by someone deeply embedded in their personal lives.
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Speaker 1: And Jason Schaefer's inner circle was incredibly complicated at the
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Speaker 1: time of his death. He was 33. He had moved
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Speaker 1: across the country from Connecticut to Colorado in his mid-20s.
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Speaker 1: He was deeply loved by his mother, Lori, and his stepdad, Chris,
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Speaker 1: who had raised him since he was three.
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Speaker 2: And he was a devoted father to a five-year-old son.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So detectives coordinate with the Connecticut State Police to
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Speaker 1: deliver the tragic notification to his parents. And when Longmont
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Speaker 1: investigators follow up to ask if Jason was experiencing any
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Speaker 1: interpersonal conflict, Lori and Chris immediately, without a single second
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Speaker 1: of hesitation, point to Jason's ex-girlfriend.
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Speaker 2: The mother of his child, Devin Schreiner.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Jason and Devin had met years prior when they
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Speaker 1: were both working at the Longmont post office. The birth
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Speaker 1: of their son in 2015 was this transformative event for Jason.
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Speaker 1: It just gave him an intense sense of purpose. But
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Speaker 1: the romantic relationship between Jason and Devin was... Highly volatile.
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Speaker 2: According to his family, their core values were completely misaligned,
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Speaker 2: and the relationship eventually imploded.
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Speaker 1: Largely due to a documented history of Devin's infidelity.
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Speaker 2: Right. But despite the breakup, they were permanently tethered together
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Speaker 2: by their shared child.
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Speaker 1: And Jason was fully committed to co-parenting, sharing custody on
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Speaker 1: a split week schedule. But the arrangement was just toxic.
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Speaker 1: Devin weaponized communication. She would routinely refuse to inform Jason
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Speaker 1: about basic logistical details like, you know, where birthday parties
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Speaker 1: are being held.
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Speaker 2: Or where he was supposed to pick up their son
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Speaker 2: for his custody days.
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Speaker 1: Right. Jason was essentially forced to guess where the handoff
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Speaker 1: would occur each week.
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Speaker 2: And that ongoing friction leads us directly to the primary
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Speaker 2: catalyst for the violence. Frustrated by this constant manipulation and
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Speaker 2: seeking stability for his son, Jason hired a family law attorney.
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Speaker 1: And exactly two days before he was murdered, Jason officially
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Speaker 1: filed legal paperwork requesting a formalized parenting plan and a
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Speaker 1: significant increase in his custody rights.
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Speaker 2: In the timing of that legal filing, it's just impossible
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Speaker 2: for investigators to ignore.
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Speaker 1: It really is. But the custody battle is just one
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Speaker 1: layer of this incredibly tangled, hostile dynamic. Because Jason hadn't
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Speaker 1: just moved on from Devin, he had recently moved into
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Speaker 1: a new apartment with his new girlfriend, Rosa.
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Speaker 2: And Rosa happens to be Devin's younger sister.
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Speaker 1: The interpersonal geometry here is just explosive. The Longmont police
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Speaker 1: bring Rosa into the station for an interview just hours
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Speaker 1: after the shooting, and the situation is so fraught. Because
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Speaker 1: the police couldn't immediately locate Devin and didn't know the
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Speaker 1: full scope of the threat, they had proactively pulled Jason
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Speaker 1: and Devin's five-year-old son from his daycare.
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Speaker 2: Just to ensure his physical safety.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. So Rosa briefly reunites with a child at the
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Speaker 1: police precinct before sitting down with detectives. And she provides
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Speaker 1: this sprawling, deeply disturbing psychological portrait of her older sister.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Rosa explains to the police that her relationship with
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Speaker 2: Devin had been fractured for nearly a decade. Right.
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Speaker 1: Devin had run away from their mother's house when she
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Speaker 1: was 16, and the sisters had only reconnected in late 2020.
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Speaker 2: And they decided to rent an apartment together, but the
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Speaker 2: living situation immediately devolved into chaos.
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Speaker 1: Largely driven by Devin's complex romantic entanglements. Devin was simultaneously
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Speaker 1: maintaining relationships with two different men, a guy named Joseph
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Speaker 1: and another man named AJ.
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Speaker 2: And the catalyst for Rosa and Devin's falling out, it
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Speaker 2: perfectly illustrates this profound psychological need for absolute dominance.
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Speaker 1: Oh, the Joseph incident.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Rosa tells the detectives about a specific incident where
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Speaker 2: Devin and Joseph got into a massive screaming argument. because
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Speaker 2: Joseph discovered Devin was seeing AJ on the side.
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Speaker 1: Right. And in the aftermath of that blowout, Rosa went
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Speaker 1: over to Joseph's apartment to retrieve some personal belongings she
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Speaker 1: had left there. And while she was there, she ended
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Speaker 1: up comforting Joseph and eventually fell asleep in his bed.
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Speaker 2: And when Devin found out that her younger sister had
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Speaker 2: comforted one of her boyfriends, a boyfriend she was actively
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Speaker 2: cheating on anyway, mind you, she completely detonated.
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Speaker 1: Devin kicked Rosa out of their shared apartment, effectively rendering
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Speaker 1: her own sister homeless, over a perceived slight regarding a
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Speaker 1: man she was deceiving.
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Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture of deviant psychology,
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Speaker 2: Rose's interview highlights a textbook manifestation of narcissistic possession.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she explicitly articulates this to the detectives. She says,
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Speaker 1: and this is a direct quote from the transcript, when
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Speaker 1: she's dating someone or even she's not dating them, she
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Speaker 1: still considers them hers and like, you know, they're still
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Speaker 1: her men.
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Speaker 2: That is a massive diagnostic red flag. To Devin, romantic
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Speaker 2: partners and family members are not autonomous human beings with
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Speaker 2: their own agency. They are property. They are extensions of
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Speaker 2: her own ego.
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Speaker 1: And that possessive rage extended directly to Jason. After being
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Speaker 1: kicked out, Rosa moved in with Jason, and their romantic
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Speaker 1: relationship blossomed quickly.
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Speaker 2: Which Devin hated.
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Speaker 1: Oh, her reaction was just this campaign of passive-aggressive hostility.
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Speaker 1: Rosen tells the police that Devin was extremely angry with
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Speaker 1: the fact that I have what she wants, which is
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Speaker 1: a family, even though that was her choice.
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Speaker 2: Because Devin had sabotaged her own family unit through infidelity.
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Speaker 2: But seeing her sister step into that role with Jason
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Speaker 2: was an intolerable affront to her ego.
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Speaker 1: It's like a Shakespearean tragedy dropped into a suburban post office.
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Speaker 1: You have overlapping love triangles, sibling betrayal, and a literal
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Speaker 1: ticking clock with the custody papers.
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Speaker 2: You can really see all the pressure vectors converging here.
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Speaker 2: For an individual who views partners, siblings, and children as
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Speaker 2: personal property, any threat to that ownership is perceived as
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Speaker 2: an existential attack.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: Devin had lost control of her sister's compliance. She had
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Speaker 2: lost control of her ex-boyfriend's romantic life. And with the
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Speaker 2: new court filing, she was facing the imminent, legally binding
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Speaker 2: loss of control over her son. That compounding loss of
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Speaker 2: dominance is the classic trigger for violent retaliatory escalation.
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Speaker 1: And Rosa was acutely aware of this escalating danger. She
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Speaker 1: tells the detectives that in the days leading up to
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Speaker 1: the ambush, she suffered from a severe sense of foreboding.
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Speaker 1: She felt a constant heavy uneasiness, telling police, I felt
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Speaker 1: like someone was just watching us. I would look for
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Speaker 1: her car, look for her boyfriend's car.
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Speaker 2: And this paranoia was completely justified.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Rosa recounts a recent incident where Devin brazenly showed
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Speaker 1: up at Jason's post office workstation, which is a severe
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Speaker 1: violation of postal regulations. And Jason's supervisor actually caught Devin
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Speaker 1: illegally rifling through the pockets of Jason's jacket.
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Speaker 2: The physical stalking and the invasion of Jason's workspace, it
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Speaker 2: just demonstrates a complete disregard for boundaries or consequences.
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Speaker 1: Rosa also documents a direct verbalized threat. She informs the
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Speaker 1: police that Devin recently told Jason, if you don't do this,
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Speaker 1: AJ knows where you live and he has his guns. AJ,
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Speaker 1: of course, being the secondary boyfriend.
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Speaker 2: Right. And Rosa is absolutely resolute in her conclusion. When
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Speaker 2: the detective asks her point blank if she believes this
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Speaker 2: was a random neighborhood shooting, Rosa replies, no, I think
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Speaker 2: it came from her. I would not put that one
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Speaker 2: past her.
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Speaker 1: But put yourself in the shoes of the lead detective
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Speaker 1: for a second. You are listening to a woman who
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Speaker 1: has just lost her boyfriend, a woman who is estranged
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Speaker 1: from her sister, and a woman who has been subjected
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Speaker 1: to intense emotional abuse by that same sister. Rosa was
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Speaker 1: completely adamant it was Devin. But from an investigator's standpoint,
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Speaker 1: how do you separate a bitter sister's bias from actual
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Speaker 1: actionable intelligence?
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Speaker 2: Well, testimonial evidence, especially from individuals deeply embroiled in a
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Speaker 2: hostile family dispute, is inherently subjective. It provides law enforcement
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Speaker 2: with a working hypothesis and a compelling motive, sure. But
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Speaker 2: it is never enough to secure an arrest warrant on
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Speaker 2: its own.
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Speaker 1: Need proof.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. To bridge the gap between a bitter accusation and
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Speaker 2: a homicide indictment, Investigators must rely entirely on objective physical corroboration.
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Speaker 2: Rosa gave them the why and the who. The detectives
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Speaker 2: now needed the digital and physical evidence to prove the
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Speaker 2: how and the where.
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Speaker 1: They needed to explicitly connect Devin Schreiner's physical presence to
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Speaker 1: the cul-de-sac in Somerset Meadows at 12.42 p.m.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: And that physical corroboration is already being gathered by patrol
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Speaker 1: officers canvassing the neighborhood while Rosa is still in the
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Speaker 1: interview room. Remember the initial witness reports of the shooter
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Speaker 1: fleeing south down Renaissance Street? Investigators pull video from a
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Speaker 1: residential security camera located along that exact escape route. The
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Speaker 1: footage captures a black Nissan Rogue speeding away from the
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Speaker 1: immediate vicinity of the crime scene just moments after the
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Speaker 1: 911 calls were placed. But the vehicle isn't just a
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Speaker 1: generic SUV. It possesses a highly distinct, easily identifiable defect.
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Speaker 2: It is missing its front right hubcap.
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Speaker 1: Yes. And that missing hubcap elevates the vehicle from a
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Speaker 1: general suspect vehicle to a specific, unique piece of evidence.
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Speaker 2: Detectives run a query through the Colorado Department of Motor
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Speaker 2: Vehicles database, crossing, checking the vehicle make and model with
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Speaker 2: their prime suspect. And the DMV records confirm that Devin
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Speaker 2: Schreiner is the registered owner of a black Nissan Rogue.
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Speaker 1: The detectives then turn to the digital infrastructure surrounding the
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Speaker 1: Somerset Meadows development. They access data from an automated license
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Speaker 1: plate reader, or ALPR, mounted at a major intersection just
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Speaker 1: outside the neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: And we should talk about how ubiquitous and powerful ALPR
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Speaker 2: technology has become.
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Speaker 1: Definitely. These aren't just standard traffic cameras taking blurry photos
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Speaker 1: of speeding cars. These are specialized infrared cameras designed to
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Speaker 1: capture thousands of license plates per minute, day or night,
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Speaker 1: regardless of weather conditions.
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Speaker 2: They use optical character recognition software to instantly read the
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Speaker 2: alphanumeric characters on the plates, log the exact GPS coordinates,
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Speaker 2: and timestamp the capture down to the millisecond.
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Speaker 1: It's wild. And that ALPR system delivers a devastating piece
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Speaker 1: of data. It captures a crisp image of a black
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Speaker 1: Nissan Rogue missing its front right hubcap, bearing Devin Schreiner's
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Speaker 1: exact license plate number, fleeing the perimeter of the Somerset
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Speaker 1: Meadows neighborhood in the immediate aftermath of the assassination.
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Speaker 2: So the physical vehicle is undeniably tied to the scene.
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Speaker 1: But Devin has what appears to be an ironclad professional alibi.
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Speaker 1: Devin is also a mail carrier. She works out of
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Speaker 1: the Loveland Post Office, which is located roughly 20 miles
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Speaker 1: north of the crime scene in Longmont.
18:52
Speaker 2: Right. At 12.32 p.m. on a Wednesday, Devin is contractually
18:56
Speaker 2: obligated to be driving her own mail truck, delivering mail
19:00
Speaker 2: to residents in Loveland.
19:01
Speaker 1: So to verify this, the Longmont detectives quietly reach out
19:05
Speaker 1: to the United States Postal Inspection Service.
19:08
Speaker 2: And the postal inspectors have access to the back-end data
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Speaker 2: of the mobile delivery scanners issued to every mail carrier.
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Speaker 1: Because these devices are much more than just barcode readers
19:17
Speaker 1: for packages.
19:18
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. They are highly sophisticated, ruggedized tracking tools designed
19:22
Speaker 2: to monitor carrier efficiency, route adherence, and employee safety. They
19:26
Speaker 2: utilize a combination of GPS and cellular triangulation to ping
19:30
Speaker 2: the carrier's location at regular, frequent intervals. It creates this
19:34
Speaker 2: highly detailed digital map of their entire workday.
19:37
Speaker 1: And the postal inspector pulls the historical telemetry data for
19:40
Speaker 1: Devin's assigned scanner for October 13th. The logs show her
19:44
Speaker 1: moving along her designated Loveland route throughout the early morning.
19:49
Speaker 1: But then... the data reveals a massive anomaly.
19:52
Speaker 2: A huge one.
19:53
Speaker 1: For a period of over two hours, a window that
19:55
Speaker 1: perfectly encompasses the drive time to Lawnmont, the time of
19:59
Speaker 1: the murder, and the drive back bake, Devin's scanner stops
20:02
Speaker 1: moving entirely. The GPS coordinates show the device sitting completely
20:07
Speaker 1: stationary inside a residential address in Loveland.
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Speaker 2: And the address where the scanner was left idling is
20:12
Speaker 2: not random. It is the personal residence of A.J. Ritchie.
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Speaker 1: The boyfriend Rosa had explicitly warned the detectives about.
20:18
Speaker 2: Exactly. The investigative puzzle pieces are locking together with incredible
20:22
Speaker 2: speed at this point. The detectives have a documented legal
20:25
Speaker 2: motive regarding the custody filing. They have ALPR photographic evidence
20:29
Speaker 2: of her vehicle leaving the murder scene. And they have
20:32
Speaker 2: federal employment data proving she intentionally abandoned her postal route
20:35
Speaker 2: during the exact time frame of the assassination.
20:38
Speaker 1: And as the detectives are compiling this absolute mountain of evidence,
20:42
Speaker 1: Devin Schreiner actually dials the Longmont Police Department herself.
20:46
Speaker 2: The psychology of this phone call is fascinating. Devin is
20:49
Speaker 2: attempting to control the narrative by playing the role of
20:52
Speaker 2: the concerned, confused mother.
20:54
Speaker 1: Right. She tells the dispatcher that she is receiving frantic
20:58
Speaker 1: text messages from coworkers about an accident involving the father
21:02
Speaker 1: of her child, and she is calling to find out
21:05
Speaker 1: what is going on.
21:06
Speaker 2: But her performance slips almost immediately. When you listen to
21:09
Speaker 2: the audio, she doesn't press for details about Jason's medical condition.
21:13
Speaker 2: She doesn't ask if he is alive, if he is
21:15
Speaker 2: in surgery, or what hospital he was taken to.
21:19
Speaker 1: Her singular focus is on the location and custody of
21:21
Speaker 1: her son. The officer on the phone informs her that
21:25
Speaker 1: because of the emergency, the police picked up the five-year-old
21:27
Speaker 1: from daycare, and that Rosa is currently at the station
21:30
Speaker 1: sitting with him.
21:31
Speaker 2: And the mention of Rosa just triggers Devin's possessive rage.
21:36
Speaker 2: entirely overriding her fabricated persona of a grieving mother. She
21:40
Speaker 2: immediately pivots to attacking her sister, telling the officer aggressively,
21:45
Speaker 2: Rosa is not his guardian. She should not be having
21:47
Speaker 2: custody of him right now.
21:49
Speaker 1: The father of her child has just been shot in
21:51
Speaker 1: the head, and her immediate instinctual priority is establishing a
21:55
Speaker 1: defensive perimeter regarding her legal custody and asserting dominance over
22:00
Speaker 1: her sister.
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Speaker 2: It is a chilling validation of Reza's psychological assessment.
22:04
Speaker 1: It really is. The police, of course, do not tip
22:07
Speaker 1: their hand. They adopt a placating tone and invite Devin
22:11
Speaker 1: to drive down to the Longmont station to sort out
22:13
Speaker 1: the custody confusion in person.
22:15
Speaker 2: And when Devin arrives from Port Collins, she is escorted
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Speaker 2: into a small, sterile interrogation room. She enters the room
22:20
Speaker 2: radiating this aggressive, defensive energy. She immediately complains about the
22:24
Speaker 2: lack of communication, the inconvenience, and demands that her son
22:27
Speaker 2: be handed over to her immediately.
22:29
Speaker 1: So the lead investigator, Detective Steve, steps into the room,
22:32
Speaker 1: and he executes a brilliant de-escalation tactic. He doesn't match
22:36
Speaker 1: her aggressive energy. He sits down, adopts a somber, almost
22:41
Speaker 1: weary tone, and casually drops the devastating reality onto the table.
22:46
Speaker 1: He looks at her and says, your ex-boyfriend died today.
22:50
Speaker 1: Someone shot him in the face on his postal route.
22:52
Speaker 2: And if you study the transcript of her reaction, it
22:55
Speaker 2: is devoid of standard human empathy or shock. She doesn't gasp.
22:59
Speaker 2: She doesn't cry. She doesn't express disbelief. She immediately asks
23:02
Speaker 2: for logistical data. When did this happen?
23:05
Speaker 1: And the detective replies, 12.32 today.
23:08
Speaker 2: Devin is internalizing the timestamp to ensure it aligns with
23:11
Speaker 2: the fabricated alibi she has constructed in her head.
23:14
Speaker 1: Wow. Detective Steve then transitions into reading the Miranda warning,
23:18
Speaker 1: but he does it using a highly effective psychological framing technique.
23:21
Speaker 1: He doesn't present it as an adversarial process. He frames
23:24
Speaker 1: it as a bureaucratic formality.
23:26
Speaker 2: Right.
23:27
Speaker 1: He tells her, you know, your son's dad died today,
23:29
Speaker 1: and so police typically look at the butler or the ex.
23:31
Speaker 1: So we've got to rule the butler out.
23:33
Speaker 2: He minimizes the threat, suggesting that reading her rights is
23:36
Speaker 2: just a procedural hoop they have to jump through so
23:38
Speaker 2: he can officially exonerate her and move on to the
23:41
Speaker 2: real suspects.
23:42
Speaker 1: And by framing the interrogation as a collaborative effort to
23:45
Speaker 1: clear her name, he lowers her defensive posture, encouraging her
23:49
Speaker 1: to waive her right to silence. Once she formally waives
23:53
Speaker 1: her rights, Detective Steve abandons the collaborative facade and begins
23:57
Speaker 1: a systematic, overwhelming presentation of the evidence.
24:01
Speaker 2: He starts stacking the bricks?
24:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, he informs her that they have neighborhood surveillance video
24:06
Speaker 1: placing her distinct vehicle at the crime scene. He brings
24:09
Speaker 1: up the missing front-right hubcap. He mentions the automated license
24:13
Speaker 1: plate readers. He brings up the incredibly suspicious timing of
24:16
Speaker 1: Jason's custody filing just two days prior. And then he
24:20
Speaker 1: brings up the postal scanner data proving she was not
24:22
Speaker 1: on her route.
24:23
Speaker 2: And the way Divina's brain attempts to process this onslaught
24:27
Speaker 2: of data is highly indicative of cognitive overload. Well... When
24:31
Speaker 2: confronted with the reality that her vehicle was photographed at
24:34
Speaker 2: a murder scene 20 miles away from her job, an
24:38
Speaker 2: innocent person would immediately offer a plausible alternative explanation. They
24:43
Speaker 2: would panic and claim the car was stolen or that
24:45
Speaker 2: a specific friend had borrowed it that morning.
24:49
Speaker 1: But Devin does not do this.
24:50
Speaker 2: No, she doesn't. Instead, she latches onto a semantic technicality
24:54
Speaker 2: regarding the postal equipment.
24:55
Speaker 1: When Detective Steve says, you turned off your scanner, Devin
24:58
Speaker 1: immediately snaps back. her voice raising in indignation, I didn't
25:02
Speaker 1: turn off my scanner.
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Speaker 2: This is a profound failure of prioritization caused by the
25:06
Speaker 2: stress of the interrogation. A guilty person will often try
25:10
Speaker 2: to dismantle a massive accusation by aggressively disproving a minor
25:14
Speaker 2: tangential detail in the interrogator's premise.
25:17
Speaker 1: Like it negates the whole thing.
25:18
Speaker 2: Right. In Devin's mind, if she can prove she didn't
25:21
Speaker 2: technically power down the device, perhaps she just left it
25:24
Speaker 2: dormant on the counter. She somehow invalidates the broader accusation
25:28
Speaker 2: that she abandoned her job to commit a homicide. She
25:31
Speaker 2: is arguing the operational mechanics of federal property while ignoring
25:34
Speaker 2: the fact that she is being accused of shooting the
25:36
Speaker 2: father of her child in the face.
25:38
Speaker 1: It's like cheating on a test while the teacher is
25:40
Speaker 1: standing right over your shoulder. She works for the post office.
25:43
Speaker 1: How did she not realize her own scanner tracks her
25:46
Speaker 1: every move?
25:47
Speaker 2: It's cognitive dissonance under pressure.
25:49
Speaker 1: So seeing her retreat into semantics, Detective Steve introduces a
25:53
Speaker 1: heavy psychological weapon. the threat of forensic science. He leans
25:59
Speaker 1: in and introduces the concept of the gunshot residue test,
26:02
Speaker 1: or GSR.
26:04
Speaker 2: And he explains it in visceral, microscopic detail to ensure
26:07
Speaker 2: she understands the inescapable nature of the physics involved.
26:11
Speaker 1: He tells her, when you fire a gun, all this
26:13
Speaker 1: gunshot powder comes out and it covers your face, your hair,
26:16
Speaker 1: your clothes, your hands. He informs her that the crime
26:20
Speaker 1: scene technicians are preparing to swab her skin, seize the
26:23
Speaker 1: clothes she is currently wearing, and impound her Nissan Rogue
26:27
Speaker 1: to sweep it from microscopic chemical traces of the gunshot.
26:31
Speaker 2: The application of the GSR threat is designed to induce
26:34
Speaker 2: extreme anxiety. Gunshot residue is composed of microscopic particles of
26:38
Speaker 2: heavy metal, specifically barium, antimony, and lead that vaporize during
26:43
Speaker 2: the primer ignition and settle onto the surrounding environment.
26:47
Speaker 1: And they're incredibly hard to wash off, right?
26:48
Speaker 2: Exactly. Even if a suspect has meticulously washed their hands
26:52
Speaker 2: or changed their outer layers of clothing, The fear that
26:55
Speaker 2: an invisible, indestructible chemical signature is still clinging to their
26:58
Speaker 2: hair or the upholstery of their car is often enough
27:01
Speaker 2: to shatter their confidence in their deception.
27:03
Speaker 1: So Detective Steve has presented her with the ALPR photo
27:07
Speaker 1: of her car, the GPS data from her scanner, the
27:10
Speaker 1: surveillance video matching her physical build, and the impending reality
27:14
Speaker 1: of a microscopic chemical sweep. He looks at her and
27:18
Speaker 1: asks the most basic fundamental question. Why is your car
27:22
Speaker 1: in Longmont?
27:24
Speaker 2: And Devin's response is the sound of a fabricated reality
27:28
Speaker 2: completely collapsing under its own weight.
27:30
Speaker 1: Put yourself in that interrogation room. If you're innocent, your
27:33
Speaker 1: first reaction is to explain the car. Devin just says,
27:35
Speaker 1: I don't know. He pushes further. He asks if someone
27:38
Speaker 1: borrowed her car without her permission. She repeats, I don't know.
27:42
Speaker 1: What does that silence actually tell us?
27:44
Speaker 2: It is the ultimate manifestation of cognitive exhaustion. Devin had
27:48
Speaker 2: expended all of her mental bandwidth constructing her primary alibi
27:52
Speaker 2: that she was working in Loveland. She fundamentally failed to
27:55
Speaker 2: account for the ALPR cameras or the neighborhood surveillance system.
27:58
Speaker 1: She didn't see it coming.
27:59
Speaker 2: No. So when Detective Steve introduces evidence that obliterates her
28:03
Speaker 2: primary lie, she does not have the mental agility or
28:07
Speaker 2: the prepared material to instantly construct a secondary lie that
28:10
Speaker 2: logically explains the car's presence.
28:13
Speaker 1: Recognizing that any new fabrication will likely ensnare her further,
28:17
Speaker 1: her brain essentially pulls the emergency brake.
28:19
Speaker 2: Exactly. She stonewalls. And eventually she realizes she is completely
28:24
Speaker 2: outmatched and invokes her constitutional right. She tells the detective,
28:28
Speaker 2: I need to have a lawyer or ask for a lawyer.
28:30
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm supposed to say about that.
28:32
Speaker 1: And under standard police procedure, the moment a suspect clearly
28:36
Speaker 1: and unambiguously requests legal counsel, the criminal interrogation must cease immediately.
28:42
Speaker 1: Detective Steve respects her rights and exits the room.
28:45
Speaker 2: But the authorities are not entirely finished.
28:47
Speaker 1: No, they execute a brilliant tactical pivot by changing the
28:50
Speaker 1: jurisdictional nature of the interview. They send in a new interrogator, Ken.
28:54
Speaker 1: But Ken is not a local homicide detective. Ken is
28:57
Speaker 1: a federal postal inspector.
28:59
Speaker 2: This transition exploits a nuanced legal and psychological loophole. Inspector
29:04
Speaker 2: Ken enters the room deploying a masterful variation of the
29:07
Speaker 2: good cop routine, specifically leaning into a bureaucratic persona.
29:12
Speaker 1: He introduces himself not as a threat investigating a murder,
29:15
Speaker 1: but as a federal colleague trying to audit her workday.
29:19
Speaker 1: He says to her, I know you work for the
29:21
Speaker 1: post office. I wanted to chit chat with you about
29:24
Speaker 1: kind of what happened in some of your activities today.
29:26
Speaker 2: He immediately builds rapport by validating her previous semantic argument.
29:31
Speaker 2: He tells her he was listening in the observation room
29:33
Speaker 2: and heard her correcting the local detective about the scanner.
29:36
Speaker 2: He chuckles and says the local cops just don't understand
29:39
Speaker 2: how postal equipment works. works.
29:40
Speaker 1: It is incredibly manipulative and it works flawlessly. Devin lowers
29:44
Speaker 1: her guard, perceiving Ken as an ally against the aggressive
29:48
Speaker 1: homicide detectives, and she agrees to walk him through her
29:51
Speaker 1: morning timeline.
29:52
Speaker 2: So Devin provides Ken with the narrative she had prepared
29:54
Speaker 2: before she knew about the license plate cameras. She confirms
29:58
Speaker 2: that she parked her mail truck at her boyfriend A.J.
30:00
Speaker 2: 's house in Loveland as his residence falls within her
30:03
Speaker 2: delivery route.
30:04
Speaker 1: She admits she stayed inside the house for an unusually
30:07
Speaker 1: long duration, effectively abandoning her route, but she provides a
30:11
Speaker 1: highly specific, mundane justification for the delay. Right.
30:15
Speaker 2: She tells the postal inspector that she and A.J. were
30:17
Speaker 2: hanging out in his house eating pizza rolls.
30:19
Speaker 1: Eating pizza rolls.
30:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that they got into a heated emotional argument
30:23
Speaker 2: regarding A.J. 's ex-wife. She claims AJ got angry and
30:27
Speaker 2: left the house, and she was so emotionally distraught that
30:30
Speaker 2: she went out to her mail truck and sat there
30:32
Speaker 2: crying for a significant amount of time before finally composing
30:35
Speaker 2: herself and finishing her deliveries.
30:38
Speaker 1: What's fascinating here is how the inclusion of the pizza
30:40
Speaker 1: rolls detail is a classic hallmark of deceptive storytelling.
30:44
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. Guilty individuals harbor an instinctual fear that a
30:48
Speaker 2: vague or generalized alibi will sound inherently suspicious to an investigator.
30:53
Speaker 2: To combat this, They anchor their fabricated narrative with hyper-specific, mundane,
30:58
Speaker 2: and verifiable-sounding details.
31:00
Speaker 1: They construct a vivid alternative reality, hoping the interrogator will
31:04
Speaker 1: become fixated on the triviality of the snack food rather
31:07
Speaker 1: than scrutinizing the physical impossibility of the timeline.
31:10
Speaker 2: Exactly. Inspector Ken lets her spin the entire narrative without interruption.
31:15
Speaker 2: But once she commits the pizza rolls and the crying
31:18
Speaker 2: session to the official record, Ken pivots from the friendly
31:21
Speaker 2: bureaucrat back to the forensic realities of a violent homicide.
31:25
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting. Ken asks her if
31:28
Speaker 1: she ever watches true crime television shows, specifically mentioning Criminal
31:32
Speaker 1: Minds or The First 48. He tells her that a
31:35
Speaker 1: gunshot is a mini-explosion and that federal forensic laboratories possess
31:40
Speaker 1: electron microscopes that can detect microscopic droplets of biological material.
31:45
Speaker 2: Ken is escalating the pressure tactic used earlier by Detective
31:48
Speaker 2: Steve shifting the focus from chemical gunshot residue to high-velocity
31:52
Speaker 2: blood spatter. He is leveraging the physics of a point-blank shooting.
31:56
Speaker 1: Which is horrifying.
31:57
Speaker 2: It is. When a bullet impacts a human skull at
32:00
Speaker 2: close range, it creates a phenomenon known as back spatter,
32:03
Speaker 2: a microscopic mist of blood and tissue propelled backward toward
32:06
Speaker 2: the shooter by the expanding gases of the muzzle flash.
32:09
Speaker 1: And Ken paints a terrifying verbal picture for Devin, telling her,
32:13
Speaker 1: I think probably what they're going to find is some
32:15
Speaker 1: adjacent blood on your shoes. Do you agree with that?
32:18
Speaker 2: He is forcing her to visualize invisible damning evidence clinging
32:22
Speaker 2: to the clothing she is currently wearing.
32:24
Speaker 1: When an interrogator lays out inescapable scientific evidence, like microscopic
32:29
Speaker 1: blood spatter, does the suspect's brain just short circuit? Is
32:33
Speaker 1: that why she just defaults to, I don't know?
32:35
Speaker 2: Yes. And Ken then brings the surveillance footage back into
32:39
Speaker 2: the conversation, asking her directly how she explains her vehicle
32:43
Speaker 2: being recorded, leaving the scene of the murder unscathed, while
32:45
Speaker 2: she was supposedly crying in a mail truck 20 miles away.
32:49
Speaker 1: And just as she did with a local detective, Devon's
32:51
Speaker 1: fabricated reality shatters. She flatly refuses to engage with the evidence.
32:56
Speaker 1: She simply states, I don't have an answer for that.
32:58
Speaker 2: Ken offers her one final off-ramp, asking if it is
33:02
Speaker 2: possible someone else had access to her keys and stole
33:04
Speaker 2: her car. Devon again repeats, I don't have an answer
33:08
Speaker 2: for that.
33:09
Speaker 1: She realizes the trap. If she suddenly claims the car
33:12
Speaker 1: was stolen... She has to explain why she didn't report
33:15
Speaker 1: the theft, how the supposed thief managed to perfectly mimic
33:19
Speaker 1: her height and build on the neighborhood surveillance cameras, and
33:22
Speaker 1: how they miraculously returned the vehicle to her without her
33:25
Speaker 1: noticing so she could drive it to the police station.
33:28
Speaker 2: The sheer logistical complexity of maintaining that lie is too overwhelming,
33:32
Speaker 2: so she shuts down completely.
33:34
Speaker 1: Recognizing that they have exhausted her cooperation, Inspector Ken concludes
33:39
Speaker 1: the interview. The Longmont police officially place Devin Schreiner under
33:43
Speaker 1: arrest for first-degree murder. They book her into the county jail,
33:47
Speaker 1: and they execute warrants to seize her clothing and her
33:50
Speaker 1: vehicle for forensic processing.
33:52
Speaker 2: But as the heavy steel doors close on Devin's cell,
33:55
Speaker 2: the investigative team knows they have a massive gaping hole
33:59
Speaker 2: in their theory of the crime. Right.
34:01
Speaker 1: Because Devin's postal scanner data proves she was physically in
34:04
Speaker 1: Loveland right up until the window of the murder. Jason's
34:08
Speaker 1: mail route in Longmont covers dozens of streets, hundreds of houses,
34:12
Speaker 1: and takes hours to complete.
34:14
Speaker 2: If Devin drove straight down from Loveland, how did she
34:17
Speaker 2: know exactly which street, which specific cul-de-sac, Jason would be
34:21
Speaker 2: parked in at exactly 12.32 p.m.
34:24
Speaker 1: To execute a perfectly timed ambush against a mobile, unpredictable
34:29
Speaker 1: target like a mail carrier, the shooter requires real-time, actionable intelligence.
34:34
Speaker 1: They need a spotter.
34:36
Speaker 2: The evidence dictates that Devin could not have acted alone.
34:39
Speaker 2: The investigation must immediately pivot to the individual who provided
34:42
Speaker 2: her primary alibi, the man she was supposedly eating pizza
34:46
Speaker 2: rolls with, her boyfriend, A.J. Ritchie.
34:48
Speaker 1: And A.J. Ritchie presents a unique challenge for law enforcement
34:51
Speaker 1: because he is not a civilian. A.J. is a federal
34:54
Speaker 1: correctional officer employed at a maximum security prison facility in Denver.
34:57
Speaker 2: His entire professional existence is steeped in security protocols, surveillance
35:01
Speaker 2: systems and the monitoring of criminal behavior.
35:04
Speaker 1: When the Longmont detectives drive up to Loveland to conduct
35:06
Speaker 1: his initial interview, they are bracing for a highly sophisticated,
35:10
Speaker 1: operationally secure defense strategy.
35:13
Speaker 2: What they encounter, however, is a surprisingly fragile narrative that
35:16
Speaker 2: almost instantly disintegrates under the weight of digital forensic analysis.
35:20
Speaker 1: During his initial interview, A.J. corroborates the beginning of Devin's story.
35:25
Speaker 1: He confirms she was at his house that morning, but
35:28
Speaker 1: he claims she left his residence at exactly 12, 7,
35:31
Speaker 1: and 5 p.m.
35:33
Speaker 2: And he tells investigators that he left shortly after her
35:36
Speaker 2: and drove to a local Hooters restaurant to meet some
35:38
Speaker 2: friends for lunch, arriving at 12.30 p.m.
35:41
Speaker 1: And on the surface, the physical alibi holds up. Detectives
35:45
Speaker 1: immediately drive to the Hooters, subpoena the restaurant's interior security footage,
35:50
Speaker 1: and they find A.J.
35:51
Speaker 2: The timestamp video clearly shows A.J. Ritchie sitting at a
35:54
Speaker 2: table eating chicken wings at the exact moment the 911
35:58
Speaker 2: calls are lighting up the dispatch board in Longmont.
36:01
Speaker 1: According to A.J. 's timeline, Devin cannot possibly be the
36:04
Speaker 1: trigger person. It is a minimum 30 to 40 minute
36:07
Speaker 1: drive from his house in Loveland to the Somerset Meadows neighborhood.
36:11
Speaker 1: If she genuinely left at 12.15 p.m., she physically could
36:14
Speaker 1: not have made it to the cul-de-sac by 12.32 p.m.
36:17
Speaker 2: But the detectives possess the ALPR data. They know for
36:20
Speaker 2: an absolute undeniable fact that Devin's vehicle was in Longmont.
36:24
Speaker 2: This means A.J. is actively lying about the timeline to
36:26
Speaker 2: provide cover for a murderer.
36:28
Speaker 1: To dismantle his alibi, Detective Burke... drafts comprehensive search warrants
36:33
Speaker 1: for the historical cellular data, specifically the call detail records
36:38
Speaker 1: and the cell site location information for both Devin and
36:41
Speaker 1: AJ's mobile phones.
36:42
Speaker 2: And the data returned by the cellular providers is a
36:45
Speaker 2: masterclass in how modern technology will betray a conspiracy.
36:49
Speaker 1: Let's talk about how cell site analysis actually works. Your
36:53
Speaker 1: cell phone is constantly, silently reaching out to the nearest
36:56
Speaker 1: cell towers to maintain a strong signal.
36:59
Speaker 2: When a device connects to a tower, the provider logs
37:02
Speaker 2: which specific antenna sector the phone used, and they can
37:05
Speaker 2: calculate the time it takes for the signal to travel
37:08
Speaker 2: from the phone to multiple surrounding towers.
37:10
Speaker 1: Which is a process called time difference of arrival.
37:12
Speaker 2: Yes. This allows analysts to triangulate the geographic location of
37:17
Speaker 2: a device with devastating accuracy.
37:19
Speaker 1: The digital forensics team takes the highly accurate GPS data
37:23
Speaker 1: pulled from Jason's USPS postal scanner, which mapped the exact
37:27
Speaker 1: turn-by-turn route his mail truck drove that morning, And they
37:30
Speaker 1: overlay it with the cell tower triangulation data from AJ's
37:33
Speaker 1: personal cell phone.
37:35
Speaker 2: And the resulting map is chilling. The two digital pathways
37:38
Speaker 2: are a perfect overlapping match.
37:41
Speaker 1: AJ's cell phone data proves that he was not sitting
37:44
Speaker 1: at home arguing about pizza rolls. His device was pinging
37:48
Speaker 1: off towers directly on top of Jason's mail route for
37:51
Speaker 1: nearly three hours that morning.
37:53
Speaker 2: AJ was actively hunting Jason Schaefer.
37:56
Speaker 1: But the digital tracking reveals a discrepancy with the physical surveillance.
38:00
Speaker 1: The detectives had scoured hours of neighborhood security camera footage
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Speaker 1: from the Somerset Meadows area looking for A.J. 's personal vehicle,
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Speaker 1: which was registered as a black Chevy Silverado pickup truck.
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Speaker 2: And the Silverado was nowhere on the video.
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Speaker 1: Because A.J., leaning on his experience as a federal officer,
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Speaker 1: attempted to implement physical operational security. He knew his personal
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Speaker 1: truck would be easily recognizable.
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Speaker 2: So the detectives go back to the neighborhood surveillance footage,
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Speaker 2: armed with the precise times and locations dictated by A.J.
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Speaker 2: 's cell phone pings. And they find it.
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Speaker 1: They spot a black Dodge Durango SUV distinctly marked with
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Speaker 1: the green and blue logo of the Way to Go
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Speaker 1: regional rideshare program, slowly tailing Jason's mail van from a distance.
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Speaker 2: When investigators contact the administration at the federal maximum security
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Speaker 2: prison where AJ is employed, they uncover a staggering abuse
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Speaker 2: of resources.
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Speaker 1: The prison utilizes the Way to Go rideshare fleet for
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Speaker 1: employee commuting. And AJ Ritchie's specific administrative role at the
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Speaker 1: prison is... was the coordinator for that exact rideshare program.
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Speaker 1: He had unfettered access to the vehicle logs and keys.
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Speaker 2: He essentially checked out a federal fleet vehicle to use
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Speaker 2: as an untraceable burner car for a localized stalking operation.
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Speaker 1: It is incredibly brazen. And the phone records provide the
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Speaker 1: final damning link between the spotter and the shooter. The
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Speaker 1: call detail records reveal that A.J. and Devin were engaged
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Speaker 1: in an open, continuous cellular phone call that lasted for
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Speaker 1: two hours and 40 minutes on the morning of the murder.
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Speaker 2: This data provides a minute-by-minute blueprint of a live tracking assassination.
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Speaker 2: Devin did not have to spend hours driving aimlessly around
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Speaker 2: Longmont hunting for a single mail truck.
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Speaker 1: She simply parked her Nissan Rogue in a staging area
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Speaker 1: and waited.
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Speaker 2: A.J., operating the Dodge Durango, acted as the forward observation post.
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Speaker 2: He provided Devin with turn-by-turn coordinates, vectoring her into the
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Speaker 2: exact location only when Jason was isolated and vulnerable in
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Speaker 2: the cul-de-sac.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's like playing a deadly real-world game of Battleship,
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Speaker 1: where AJ is calling out the grid coordinates to Devin,
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Speaker 1: and she just waits for the perfect moment to strike.
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Speaker 1: But here is the profound disconnect that I cannot wrap
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Speaker 1: my head around. AJ is a federal corrections officer. He
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Speaker 1: literally works inside the justice system. How does someone with
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Speaker 1: that much exposure to law enforcement make such rookie digital mistakes?
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Speaker 2: It highlights a massive, pervasive cognitive blind spot regarding digital exhaust,
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Speaker 2: even among individuals with law enforcement training. Human beings are
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Speaker 2: evolutionarily wired to understand physical threats and physical evidence.
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Speaker 1: Right. We inherently grasp the danger of a security camera
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Speaker 1: capturing our face or leaving a fingerprint on a weapon
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Speaker 1: or driving a recognizable vehicle.
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Speaker 2: But the invisible, silent tether of cellular telemetry data... often
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Speaker 2: entirely escapes our operational planning because we cannot physically see
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Speaker 2: it happening. AJ operated under the flawed assumption that because
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Speaker 2: he was not physically holding the firearm and because his
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Speaker 2: face wasn't recorded at the exact moment the trigger was pulled,
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Speaker 2: he was insulated from prosecution.
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Speaker 1: He failed to comprehend that in a court of law,
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Speaker 1: a digital data overlay placing his phone at the scene
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Speaker 1: is just as legally damning as his DNA on the
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Speaker 1: murder weapon.
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Speaker 2: And getting a suspect to confess when you hold that
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Speaker 2: kind of digital trump card requires an incredibly strategic interrogation plan.
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Speaker 1: Detectives do not simply call A.J. down to the local
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Speaker 1: police precinct. They decide to execute a massive psychological power move.
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Speaker 1: Detective Burke, accompanied by Federal Postal Inspector Chris Lucas, bypasses
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Speaker 1: the local station entirely.
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Speaker 2: They drive directly to the Federal Maximum Security Prison in Denver,
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Speaker 2: walk through the security checkpoints, and confront A.J. in an
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Speaker 2: interview room inside his actual place of employment.
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Speaker 1: Conducting the interrogation inside the prison facility immediately strips A.J.
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Speaker 1: of his psychological armor.
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Speaker 2: He is accustomed to being the authority figure within those walls,
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Speaker 2: the one holding the keys and monitoring the invades. By
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Speaker 2: interrogating him there, the detectives instantly invert the power dynamic.
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Speaker 1: He is no longer the guard in control. He is
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Speaker 1: the subject of a homicide investigation being scrutinized in front
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Speaker 1: of his peers and superiors.
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Speaker 2: The detectives secure the room, sit down, and formally read
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Speaker 2: him his Miranda rights. And then they begin systematically dismantling
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Speaker 2: the narrative he provided during the Loveland interview.
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Speaker 1: They slide the photographs from the automated license plate readers
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Speaker 1: across the table. They point to the timestamp showing Devin's
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Speaker 1: Nissan Rogue in Longmont at 12.06 p.m. And they politely
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Speaker 1: ask him how that is physically possible if, as he
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Speaker 1: previously claimed, she was sitting in his house until 12.15 p.m. A.J.
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Speaker 2: Realizes his timeline has collapsed and his initial pivot is pathetic.
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Speaker 2: He attempts to recontextualize his deception as a misguided attempt
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Speaker 2: at chivalry. Right.
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Speaker 1: He tells the detectives that he lied about the morning
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Speaker 1: timeline solely to protect his marriage, claiming he didn't want
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Speaker 1: his wife to find out he had been spending the
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Speaker 1: morning with his girlfriend.
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Speaker 2: But the detectives know he is flailing, trying to find
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Speaker 2: a narrative foothold. They ignore his excuses about his marriage
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Speaker 2: and introduce the geographic data.
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Speaker 1: They slide the cell tower triangulation map across the table.
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Speaker 1: The map showing the neon path of his cell phone
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Speaker 1: pings overlapping perfectly with the GPS data from Jason's mail scanner.
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Speaker 1: The detective looks at him and says, we know that
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Speaker 1: you were in Longmont that morning.
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Speaker 2: And just as the reality of the cellular tracking sets in,
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Speaker 2: the detectives drop the absolute smoking gun of the entire case.
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Speaker 1: Because earlier in the investigation, when A.J. had briefly attempted
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Speaker 1: to portray himself as a cooperative witness, he had granted
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Speaker 1: the police consent to perform a preliminary extraction on his
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Speaker 1: cell phone.
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Speaker 2: And the digital forensic technicians found something truly staggering buried
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Speaker 2: in his photo gallery. They recovered Snapchat screenshots that AJ
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Speaker 2: had saved to his device exactly two days prior to
43:43
Speaker 2: the assassination.
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Speaker 1: The images are horrifying in their clarity. The first screenshot
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Speaker 1: shows a figure standing in a bathroom wearing the exact
43:51
Speaker 1: outfit described by the neighborhood witnesses. Loose-fitting dark clothing, a
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Speaker 1: dark hoodie pulled up, and a surgical-style blue mask covering
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Speaker 1: the lower half of the face.
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Speaker 2: And the second screenshot, taken just minutes later in the
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Speaker 2: exact same bathroom, shows the mask pulled down, clearly revealing
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Speaker 2: Devin Schreiner's face.
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Speaker 1: Think about those Snapchat screenshots. Why do people who plan
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Speaker 1: meticulous murders always insist on taking a souvenir photo beforehand?
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Speaker 1: It is entirely counterintuitive. Why document the exact clothing you
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Speaker 1: intend to wear while committing a homicide?
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Speaker 2: It is driven by a potent mixture of narcissism and adrenaline.
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Speaker 2: The planning and preparation phase of a violent crime often
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Speaker 2: provides the perpetrators with a massive psychological high. They feel powerful, godlike,
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Speaker 2: in control of life and death.
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Speaker 1: Taking a photograph, sending it via Snapchat, or screenshotting the
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Speaker 1: image is a way of validating that dark fantasy.
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Speaker 2: Yes. It makes the plan feel real and tangible before
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Speaker 2: the grim, bloody reality of the actual physical act sets in.
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Speaker 2: But by saving those screenshots to his local device storage...
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Speaker 2: AJ permanently preserved the digital, incontrovertible proof of premeditation and conspiracy.
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Speaker 1: So AJ is sitting in his own prison facility, staring
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Speaker 1: at a map proving he tracked the victim, and staring
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Speaker 1: at digital photographs of his girlfriend modeling her assassination wardrobe.
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Speaker 1: His back is entirely against the wall. The physical and
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Speaker 1: digital evidence is inescapable.
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Speaker 2: And it is in this moment of total defeat that A.J.
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Speaker 2: deploys what might be the most delusional, logically bankrupt defense
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Speaker 2: strategy ever recorded in an interrogation room.
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Speaker 1: He admits that he checked out the Dodge Durango. He
45:26
Speaker 1: admits that his phone was pinging off the towers in Longmont.
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Speaker 1: He admits he was tracking Jason Schaefer. But he claims
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Speaker 1: he spent that entire two hour and 40 minute open
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Speaker 1: phone call with Devin desperately trying to talk her out
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Speaker 1: of committing the murder.
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Speaker 2: This is a textbook example of a suspect attempting to
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Speaker 2: construct a savior complex narrative when they are irreparably trapped
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Speaker 2: by the evidence.
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Speaker 1: AJ recognizes that he has to thread an impossible needle.
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Speaker 1: He cannot deny his physical presence in Longmont because the
45:53
Speaker 1: GPS data proves it. He cannot deny his prior knowledge
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Speaker 1: of the plot because the Snapchat photos prove it.
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Speaker 2: Therefore, his only remaining strategic option is to re-characterize his intent.
46:05
Speaker 2: He attempts to cast himself not as the logistical coordinator
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Speaker 2: of a hit, but as the tragic, helpless hero who
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Speaker 2: simply failed to de-escalate an unstable woman.
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Speaker 1: He actually looks the detectives in the eye and says,
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Speaker 1: she told me that she had already had everything that
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Speaker 1: she needed to make it happen. I continue to stay
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Speaker 1: on the phone with her to try to talk her out.
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Speaker 2: He embellishes this fantasy by claiming that at one point
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Speaker 2: during the morning, he actually pulled his Durango up next
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Speaker 2: to Jason's mail truck for exactly 15 seconds to warn him.
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Speaker 2: Supposedly telling Jason, you're pushing her over the edge. She's
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Speaker 2: unstable right now.
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Speaker 1: The savior defense is almost universally rejected by juries, particularly
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Speaker 1: when the supposed savior is the individual actively providing the
46:46
Speaker 1: victim's live coordinates to the shooter. The detectives immediately dismantle
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Speaker 1: his heroic narrative by pointing out a glaring fatal absence
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Speaker 1: of digital corroboration.
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Speaker 2: Detective Burke confronts him, stating, if this has happened multiple
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Speaker 2: times where she's said that she's going to do this,
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Speaker 2: Why don't we see any texts of you telling her
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Speaker 2: not to do this?
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Speaker 1: Exactly. AJ claiming that he checked out a federal fleet
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Speaker 1: vehicle and spent three hours tracking a man's precise movements
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Speaker 1: just so he could talk his girlfriend out of murder
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Speaker 1: is the logical equivalent of driving the getaway car for
47:20
Speaker 1: a bank robbery and telling the police you only did
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Speaker 1: it to make sure the robbers were wearing their seatbelts
47:24
Speaker 1: for safety.
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Speaker 2: It fundamentally defies all human logic, and the forensic extraction
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Speaker 2: of their text message history completely destroyed his claims of innocence.
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Speaker 1: The recovered texts actually showed AJ actively participating in the
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Speaker 1: violent ideation, with messages proving he had previously floated the
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Speaker 1: idea of killing both Jason and Rosa himself.
47:43
Speaker 2: As the detectives lay out the text messages, AJ's narrative
47:46
Speaker 2: collapses entirely. He realizes that the investigators see right through
47:51
Speaker 2: the facade. In a moment that perfectly encapsulates his skewed priorities,
47:56
Speaker 2: AJ doesn't express sorrow for Jason. He tries to cling
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Speaker 2: to his professional dignity. expressing deep concern that the detectives
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Speaker 2: are going to make him do a walk of shame
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Speaker 2: in handcuffs through the prison parking lot in front of
48:07
Speaker 2: his colleagues and subordinates.
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Speaker 1: But the reality of his actions has finally arrived. The
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Speaker 1: detectives inform him that the interview is over, and he
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Speaker 1: is placed under arrest for first-degree murder right there inside
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Speaker 1: the federal facility.
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Speaker 2: It is a stunning, precipitous downfall for a federal officer.
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Speaker 1: And the aftermath of these arrests leads to what is
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Speaker 1: arguably one of the most chilling pieces of audio recorded
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Speaker 1: in this entire investigation. While Devin Schreiner is sitting in
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Speaker 1: the county jail awaiting trial, she places a monitored phone
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Speaker 1: call to a family member on the outside.
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Speaker 2: During this call, she learns for the first time that A.J.
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Speaker 2: has completely flipped on her during his interrogation.
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Speaker 1: The family member on the phone informs Devin. A.J. is
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Speaker 1: telling them everything. He said, today is the day. You
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Speaker 1: have everything you need.
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Speaker 2: In a moment like that, when the full weight of
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Speaker 2: a first-degree murder charge and the betrayal of a co-conspirator
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Speaker 2: bears down, you would typically expect a suspect to exhibit panic, despair,
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Speaker 2: or perhaps a sudden crushing realization of the gravity of
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Speaker 2: taking a human life.
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Speaker 1: But Devin's reaction is entirely devoid of empathy or remorse.
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Speaker 1: When she's informed that AJ provided the police with the
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Speaker 1: morning timeline and the Snapchat photos, she does not express
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Speaker 1: a single ounce of sorrow for Jason Schaefer. She only
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Speaker 1: expresses deep frustration over the inconvenience of getting caught.
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Speaker 2: She actually asks the family member on the phone, and
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Speaker 2: this is a direct quote from the jailhouse recording, can
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Speaker 2: you time travel? There's a lot of things I'd time
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Speaker 2: travel back to if I could.
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Speaker 1: And then she immediately pivots to complaining about AJ's betrayal,
49:38
Speaker 1: stating with clear annoyance, AJ just pretty much sounds like
49:41
Speaker 1: he's trying to save his own skin.
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Speaker 2: Can you time travel? It is a bizarre, profoundly detached,
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Speaker 2: almost childish lament about the consequences of her own actions.
49:51
Speaker 2: She completely ignores the permanent violent reality of what she
49:54
Speaker 2: did to the father of her child.
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Speaker 1: He's the ultimate display of a narcissistic worldview, a psychological
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Speaker 1: state where the only recognized tragedy in the entire scenario
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Speaker 1: is her own incarceration.
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Speaker 2: And the criminal justice system responds to that horrific reality
50:08
Speaker 2: with definitive speed. In February of 2023, Devin Schreiner sits
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Speaker 2: before a jury. Despite her initial attempts to stonewall the detectives,
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Speaker 2: the jury sees through the facade.
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Speaker 1: They deliberate for less than eight hours before returning a
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Speaker 1: verdict of guilty on the charge of first-degree murder. Six
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Speaker 1: months later, A.J. Ritchie faces his own jury, where his
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Speaker 1: attempts to play the tragic hero are entirely rejected.
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Speaker 2: His trial ends with the exact same verdict, guilty of
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Speaker 2: first-degree murder. Both individuals are sentenced to spend the rest
50:38
Speaker 2: of their natural lives in a state penitentiary without the
50:40
Speaker 2: possibility of parole.
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Speaker 1: The sheer volume of digital evidence presented at those trials
50:45
Speaker 1: was simply insurmountable. When the prosecution combined the physical surveillance footage,
50:50
Speaker 1: the automated license plate reader captures, the granular GPS data
50:54
Speaker 1: from the postal scanner, the cellular tower triangulation maps, and
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Speaker 1: the recovered Snapchat screenshots, They were able to present the
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Speaker 1: jury with a minute-by-minute, irrefutable digital recreation of a premeditated assassination.
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Speaker 2: So what does this all mean for us, the people
51:11
Speaker 2: listening to this breakdown?
51:13
Speaker 1: As we step back from the autopsy reports, the interrogation transcripts,
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Speaker 1: and the cell tower maps, this deep dive reveals the inescapable,
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Speaker 1: suffocating reality of the modern digital age. You can put
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Speaker 1: on a surgical blue mask and a dark hoodie to
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Speaker 1: hide your face. You can swap your personal pickup truck
51:29
Speaker 1: for an unmarked federal rideshare vehicle.
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Speaker 2: You can even go so far as to establish a
51:33
Speaker 2: highly public physical alibi by eating lunch at a crowded
51:35
Speaker 2: Hooters restaurant.
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Speaker 1: But your smartphone, your occupational scanner, and the digital photographs
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Speaker 1: you save to your own hard drive will act as
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Speaker 1: the ultimate unblinking witnesses against you.
51:45
Speaker 2: The conspiracy to murder Jason Schaefer was heavily premeditated and
51:49
Speaker 2: ruthless in its intent. But the execution was fundamentally flawed
51:53
Speaker 2: because the perpetrators, one of whom was a federal law
51:55
Speaker 2: enforcement officer... fail to understand the ecosystem of surveillance they
51:59
Speaker 2: live in every single day.
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Speaker 1: They believed they were the ones hunting Jason, but the
52:04
Speaker 1: digital infrastructure of the modern world was silently, perfectly hunting
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Speaker 1: them the entire time.
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Speaker 2: But amidst all the fascinating forensic analysis, the cell site mapping,
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Speaker 2: and the digital tracking, we must ensure we never lose
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Speaker 2: sight of the tragic, irreplaceable human cost at the dead
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Speaker 2: center of this narrative.
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Speaker 1: Because of Devon's pathological need for absolute control, and A.J.
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Speaker 1: 's willing, calculated participation. A five-year-old boy lost his father forever.
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Speaker 1: Jason Schaefer was simply trying to navigate a toxic co-parenting
52:35
Speaker 1: dynamic and be a more present, involved parent.
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Speaker 2: He filed those custody papers because he desperately wanted to
52:41
Speaker 2: be a bigger part of his son's life, and that
52:43
Speaker 2: noble desire cost him his life.
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Speaker 1: Lori and Chris, his parents, were forced to create a
52:48
Speaker 1: memorial for Jason at the house where he grew up
52:50
Speaker 1: in Connecticut, left to remember a son whose only crime
52:54
Speaker 1: was wanting to build a family.
52:56
Speaker 2: Focusing on that loss grounds the true crime narrative back
52:59
Speaker 2: in real, vital human empathy. The sophisticated technology solved the
53:04
Speaker 2: case and secured the convictions. But no amount of digital
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Speaker 2: forensics can ever undo the devastating generational impact of the
53:12
Speaker 2: crime itself.
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Speaker 1: And that brings us to a final lingering thought for
53:15
Speaker 1: you to mull over as we wrap up today's deep dive.
53:18
Speaker 1: Think back to the very beginning of our conversation. We
53:20
Speaker 1: talked about waking up, checking your phone, getting in your car.
53:23
Speaker 1: We talked about how the expectation of absolute privacy in
53:26
Speaker 1: our daily routines is largely an illusion.
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Speaker 2: An illusion that is constantly, silently being recorded by the
53:32
Speaker 2: very devices we carry in our pockets.
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Speaker 1: Think about the smartphone sitting next to you right now.
53:37
Speaker 1: We treat these devices as subservient tools, pieces of technology
53:41
Speaker 1: designed solely to make our lives easier and more connected.
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Speaker 1: But as we saw so clearly with Devin's postal scanner
53:47
Speaker 1: and AJ's cell phone data, they're actually keeping a perfect,
53:50
Speaker 1: permanent geographic diary of our entire existence. In an era
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Speaker 1: where every single step we take is logged, tracked, triangulated,
53:57
Speaker 1: and stored in a server farm somewhere, is it actually
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Speaker 1: impossible to keep a secret anymore, or have we just
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Speaker 1: completely lost the capacity to realize we are always being watched?
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on this deep dive into
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Speaker 1: the digital footprint of a tragedy. Keep questioning the world
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Speaker 1: around you, and we'll see you next time.