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Episode 308- Rick and Elaine Discuss the Book of Job- Episode 17 · The Burros of Berea Podcast

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Welcome back to Rick and Elaine discuss the Bible
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and in particular the book of Job. How are you
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Elaine Rae Clark? I am very well. Thank you very
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much You're looking rather handsome in your blue
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there with your little cap on with your glasses
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looking very intelligent I must say. A tip of
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the hat to you my lady. That's very good. In
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England we would say we're doffing. Okay, I'm
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doffing my cap to you my lady. How is it in the
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afternoon Sun of Spain today? It is absolutely
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wonderful. They've got a few Simpson clouds,
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as I like to call them. But yeah, it's lovely.
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It's quite hot. But you know, there's, I mean,
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I, you know, all these chemtrails in the sky.
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We see there's quite a, quite a haze. I'm not
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laughing at you. I'm laughing with you. There's
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a lot of people that I talked to about this.
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I've been talking about chemtrails for 22 years.
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And now all of a sudden people think that they
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found chemtrails. You think to yourself, my gosh,
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I've forgotten all about that. But again, when
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you look at the haze, it's like there's sort
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of some kind of ground. It's very, very, very
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fine powdery stuff that the sun is reflecting
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off of. It could be aluminium particles, it could
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be glass particles, but it's a burny. It's a
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burny sun. Yeah. Well, I can tell you're so English
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because you say aluminium when we say aluminum
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here. Oh, right. Yes, yes. Well, I think we gave
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you the language, so I mean... We just ruined
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it over here. Well, you've got to have something
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of your own. I'd say the only thing that's come
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over here from you is like dispensationalism.
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Yes. No, hey, you guys brought you. You brought
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a lot of stuff over here. So this last. So after
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our week off, we put that study out that came
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out this past Tuesday and we got some comments.
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And but I wanted to say this up front as we get
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into this study. Hang on. Just turn the air con
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off. She's going to turn the air con off. How
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do you like that? Deena. Just going to turn the
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air con off. Yeah. Deena, she turned the air
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con off. All right. So off. Off. So, um, I'm
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doffing you, my lady. So I had, um, my brain
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can only handle so much information. Just so
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everybody knows I'm a very leaky vessel. That's
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what I like to say anyway. A colander. Yeah,
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I'm a very leaky vessel and I have a tremendous
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amount of information coming in and going out
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because I'm a content creator, because I'm involved
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in the revelation study. I'm working on the job
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study. Elaine and I are talking about things
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that are going to come out next week that this
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morning. That's just even more like there's so
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much information. Plus I did an interview, which
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I put it on Patreon with. I was interviewed by
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a man by the name of Q Clinton. In his Bible
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study group and so I was there was a lot of information
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there that I was answering to. Then I say that
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because in our last study I did that little misdirection
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I said okay we I wanted you to read twenty two
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and twenty three. And then at the end I sprung
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on you oh but job's not done let's do twenty
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four right because I really wanted to hone in
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on the idea that Ella faz had said everything
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you needed to say and job didn't respond he wasn't
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responding directly to him he's responding like
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I said he turned his head and he looked up or
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whatever I wanted to point that out because he's.
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He literally is shutting elifaz down but it's
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not anymore is a bright any shutting him down
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in this unique way and we does that it's going
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to affect bill dad and i wanted you guys. It's
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hard for me to keep all this stuff together okay
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just is but we got a job. Well thank you but
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we're gonna slow way down in chapter twenty four
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and then do twenty five today but and there's
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a lot to cover and i don't know if we'll get
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it all hopefully we can i thought you was being
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a bit sort of optimistic twenty four to twenty
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seven. Well i wanted to read the twenty seven
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i'm not gonna do it all yeah yeah yeah if you
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read it all the way to twenty seven that's great
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cuz job wasn't even done talking when you get
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to twenty seven by the way so but alright. Let's
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read the comments because alan thompson. Asked
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or mentioned some things and kind of asked a
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question We have two comments and they're really
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good comments today He says glad to have the
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both of you back. This is Alan Thompson. Hi,
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Ellen. I Missed my rock star friends last week.
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We missed you guys Great episode with insightful
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discussion Beautiful reading as usual take that
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part. Please bless you Alan. I always think it
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sounds awful Yeah it's not it's wonderful and
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a good homework assignment which is what i left
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can we prove job wrong and what did you say about
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god that we're gonna bring up today. When elaine
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was reading chapter twenty three verses eleven
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and twelve in particular i was captivated with
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the thought question. It hounded me for the rest
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of the episode until I heard the comment that
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it's possible that Solomon wrote this looking
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backwards. I'm so glad you picked up on that
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Alan because so did I. So if you would like to
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add some thoughts on chapter 23 verse 11 and
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12 I would love to hear them. What struck me
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was Job's declaration that he hasn't departed
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from the quote command of his lips and that he
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has quote treasured the words of his mouth. It
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sounds a lot like David. How can Job say that
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if he is living during the patriarchal period
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and the law has not yet been given? Again, the
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Solomon comment was intriguing. Love y 'all.
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And we love you too, Alan. Absolutely. So would
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you mind reading chapter 23 verse 11 and 12?
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Let's give everybody context here because I want
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to tackle this. I did respond on Patreon and
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I'll read my response, but we'll get into it.
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Right. It says, my feet have stayed in his footsteps.
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I keep to his ways without turning aside. I don't
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withdraw from his lips commands. I treasure his
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words more than my daily food. That's so good.
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And you're right to get stuck on that. So did
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I. I started hearing, that's why I've been saying
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during the study that I believe that this was
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written post David, post Solomon and being put
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back in time. It's a cool way of writing. We
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do it in American culture all the time. I was
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just introduced to the show called Peaky Blinders.
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I didn't know anything about the Peaky Blinders.
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And so I was like, yeah. Yeah, Peaky Blinders,
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little raises in their caps. Raises in their
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caps and stuff. I had no idea. But we, modern
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America, have this obsession with this old story
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from Britain from 1919 until, you know, the Second
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World War. We're very interested in it. And so
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we write these stories, but we also have like
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modern day morality that we live from. Right.
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So like that's it's it's just a way of writing
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stories. And so I've begun to see it. But there
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are some verses in the scripture that will kind
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of blow your mind. OK. Can I just one question?
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So are you are you are you thinking this is written
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after the law was given around Solomon's time
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or after Solomon? between Solomon and, you know,
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when Israel was taken captive by Assyria. I think
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it's possibly, I think it's possibly right after
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Assyria. I think that it's, wisdom, literature,
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it can't be Solomon. Solomon's gone. I said it
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was probably during the split of the kingdom.
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Because if you think about the position that
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Job is in, how Job is decimated, well, northern
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israel was decimated right and so then the judaites
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were left in the bottom and then they're gonna
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there's some time i think it's like 150 years
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before nebuchadnezzar and the babylonians come
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in and siege jerusalem and during jeremiah's
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time all of the things that they would be thinking
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in their mind even post exile after it's been
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destroyed like how god will bring it back up
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this is it's a constant story we see it's always
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happening it's recurring over and over it is
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You're up, then you're destroyed, then you're
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brought up, and then you're destroyed, and you're
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brought up. Well, like he says, I lift nations
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up and I tear them down. Yes. I lift nations
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up and I tear them down. Yes. I'm going to read
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my response back to him. I put it here in the
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comments so that I could remember to say it.
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Can I just say, I don't ever get to see the comments
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because I've lost my Apple ID password and I
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can't get into the comments. So this is why Rick.
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We'll read them out to me or lot yeah yeah I
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can't even comment back so yeah I should have
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sent them to you but my brain I can't I don't
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have time I'm just running around. I just wanted
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them to know it wasn't cuz I was lazy is cuz
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I've lost my that's what I said I've taken technology
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useless. Well, I just I just want to we're gonna
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read the comments anyway, we're gonna read the
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questions anyway We're gonna talk about it even
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if it interrupts the study some because it's
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important I think absolutely something happens
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in your mind and you're thinking about it. Let's
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talk about it So absolutely while I'm talking
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about this Elaine, would you turn to Genesis
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chapter 18? And then also like get ready for
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Genesis chapter 26 And so chapter 18 first and
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chapter 26 and here's what I'm gonna say. I'm
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gonna say first of all great catch And that's
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the kind of thing that makes you so say, like,
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wait a minute. Right. Joe, really, Job sounds
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like David or Solomon or somebody like it does
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sound like that language. And we find that kind
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of stuff in Psalm one, Psalm 19, Psalm 119. Go
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ahead. Don't you find as well that because it's
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sort of a reiteration of other stuff, isn't it?
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Again, yes, we know that it could be projecting
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forward or backwards. We know we do understand
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that. But is that not just people coming to a
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realization of God, having a relationship with
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or becoming aware of Him, more aware of Him,
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that this is what you start to question and that
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you start to see. So basically we all, when we
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start to get that relationship with God, end
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up having these kinds of comments which these
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ones are having. And I think that that's true,
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but here's what the big question is about the
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word commands. These kinds of things like what
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commands is he talking about? Like, he doesn't
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have the law. So what did the patriarchal period
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actually have? What had been passed down? What
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were those commands? In Genesis chapter 18 verse
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19, listen to what it says about Abraham. Would
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you read that? Yep. For I have made myself known
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to him so that he will give orders to his children
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and to his household after him to keep the way
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of Adonai. and to do what is right and just,
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so that Adonai may bring about for Abraham what
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he has promised him." Okay, so God's made this
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promise to Abraham, but he's also put these orders.
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That word orders is the same as our word commands
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that we hear, like these commandments or these
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commands to him. So he has brought this to him
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so that he can keep the way. That's interesting,
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because that's what Job said earlier, right?
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Walking in his ways? Right. So this is like,
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how did Job know that? But then again, you've
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got to remember where it says, I have made myself
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known to him so that he will give orders. Well,
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the law didn't come along for another 400 and
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odd years. That's exactly right. But he makes
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himself known. It must have been sort of some
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sort of verbal pass down. That's right. This
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was written hundreds of years before we had the
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law. They had the law. So it says there, I have.
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I have made myself known to him so that he will
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give orders to his children. But again, you talk
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about orders, but again, the law wasn't given.
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I mean, they were in captivity for 430 years
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until the fullness of the sins of the Amalekites,
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I think it was, had come to fruition. So therefore,
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you had to have them go in in Joseph's time,
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but Abraham was like two or three generations
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before that. So you're looking at 500 years,
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Rick. before they were given them. So they must
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have had something that was different to something
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written. The fact that it says there, I have
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made myself known to him. You know, I have made
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myself known to him so that he will give orders
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to his children and to his household after him
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to keep the way of Adonai and to do what is right
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and just. So therefore there must have been some
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sort of communication. Some sort of maybe we're
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not privy to it, but in texts like these we assume
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Because it's not explicit. It's implicit. We
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just think to ourselves Well, we have to make
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the assumption that there was more of a rapport
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going on between Abraham and God than we are
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privy to Right. Okay. Well, then I'm saying go
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to Genesis chapter 26 Genesis chapter 26 and
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read verse 5 Genesis 26 verse 5 26 Verse five.
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All this is because Abraham heeded what I said
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and did what I told him to do. He followed my
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mitzvah, my law, my regulations and my teachings.
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It doesn't really say anything about being written
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down. He followed my law, my regulations and
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my teachings. Abraham heeded what I said and
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did what I told him. Again, I mean, I don't want
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to be devil's advocate here, but I'm probably
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playing him. I'm just thinking to myself, you
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know, was it something that was given to Abraham
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simply because Abraham was the start of the people
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that God says, I'm going to call these people
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mine. You can have the other nations and put
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these other fallen angels over them. But this
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is this is where I start with. So yes. Wouldn't
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it have been good to have given Abraham maybe
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verbal chats with him? Maybe. But we're not privy
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to it. So for me, the fact that he says that
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he gave him orders and commands and regulations,
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but it wasn't written down at that time, if you're
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going to the law. So therefore, we've got to
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say it doesn't necessarily follow that there
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had to be a written law. It could have been passed
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down through these other people that Abraham
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had meetings with, you know, during those 480
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years, 500 years, because it would have been
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something like that from Abraham. to Joseph,
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and then when they didn't know who Joseph was,
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they did, but they didn't take any notice, then
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there was 430 years of slavery. So you look at
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500 years, say, of regulations and ordinances
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and stuff like that being passed down. And it
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must have just been following in his footsteps
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because we didn't have any, well, the Jews didn't
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have any at that time, Israel. But because of
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that, again, I'm just bringing that up. as something
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that maybe you're not thought of because there's
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nothing there that says anything was written
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down. It says I have with my lips, I've followed
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in your footsteps. Here it says all this because
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Abraham, he did what I said and what I told him.
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Look, I 1 billion percent agree. I'm not even
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saying that it's written. That's not even what
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I'm saying. Here's what I'm saying. Job Is most
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likely a descendant. We've talked about this
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somehow to Abraham these words, even though he's
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not in the covenant line. He's not job is not
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in the covenant line. You cannot get him in it.
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It doesn't work. So because of that, he still
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has this oral law about El Shaddai, whatever
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this is, whatever these statutes are, these commands
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are, and by the way, a lot of the things that
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show up in the law are What job is talking about
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in chapter 24 he actually talks about the things
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that are in the law So this stuff has been passed
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down and by the way his friends know it to his
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friend Eliphaz has just had it in chapter 22
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He's telling him he's accusing him falsely of
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breaking God's oral law and they're absolutely
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that's why it's happening in their reality. So
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yeah in this world wherever this ancient world
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is whether it's actually happening and we're
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got a story recorded at his time or if it's written
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during the time of moses or if it's later it's
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written during the time of solomon it doesn't
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matter because it's pointing back to this place
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excuse me pointing back to this place talking
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about god's oral laws and him dealing with people
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so i don't know honestly I don't know. So basically
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we don't really, it doesn't really matter whether
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it was after Solomon, before Solomon, before
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Abraham even. That's my point. Yes. That's my
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point is that, but it also means something that
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I've been trying to say over and over is that
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God is dealing with a man outside of the covenant
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line. 100%. And this is where I would say to
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those who hold to the Israel only, View and if
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you're not familiar with that, it's to me. It's
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a horrific doctrine The Israel only view states
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that it's the northern tribes that are the Gentiles
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and that it wasn't for anyone outside of Israel
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that everything that happened was only for Israel
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And this is why I'm trying to point this out
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here in Job. That's not the case This is long
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ago long ago, but if it was written during the
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time of the first You know taking away of the
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kingdom of israel or after the the exile of juda
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or whatever It doesn't before they're pointing
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out that back then El Shaddai was communicating
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To people and he was giving them his law now.
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It's not written but it's oral it's it's who
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he is and when they relate to him they know what
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he expects and what especially in dealing with
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people side to side exactly and we and we know
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that already because we've got chapters one and
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two it tells how god feels about joe it tells
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us that god joe because it have you seen that
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there's nobody like him on all the earth well
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hang on a minute on all the earth right that
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means even over the covenant people even over
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the covenant people yes That's what I'm saying.
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All the earth. If we're going to talk about a
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particular land or the whole of the ancient Levant
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or whatever it is, Job was more righteous than
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the rest. Well, that's what I was saying. It's
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always been about faith. You know, by faith,
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Rahab, by faith, Abraham, by faith, by faith,
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by faith, by faith, by faith, by faith. And it's
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it's always been. And funny enough, if you look
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at it, a lot of it's a lot of those by faith
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are those ones that sort of um he sort of like
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names prior before sort of the covenant is given
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really it's quite strange he sort of goes to
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them and he says and i haven't got time to mention
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these ones and he goes on to the others um so
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yeah it's it's always been about faith it's always
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been about faith you know like we're saying about
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the widow's might you know nobody took any notice
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of her nobody cared about her and yet she had
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so much faith that she was willing to give our
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last coin to small value. I'm so glad that you
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said that word faith. I'm so glad. Later on,
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Jesus will say, you've forgotten, you'll give
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a tenth of your mint dealing cumin, but you forgot
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the more weightier part, which is justice, mercy,
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and faithfulness. That's exactly correct. So
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what Job is saying, Job is saying in chapter
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23 is that he is 23 and 24, really, but in 23,
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he's operating in faith. He is one operating
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in faith guys, and then you've got these guys
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over here who are operating by the written code
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Whatever there and it's written in their hearts.
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It's written in their minds. It's not real. It's
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a system It's a system that they've adopted.
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Yes external rather than internal that's it that's
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it by the way yes, it is and It's whatever's
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happening in it happening in Job's external world
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that they're judging which is the external That's
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right. They're missing it. They're missing it
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and because of their lack of compassion and empathy
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and Faithfulness, they can't understand what
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job actually is going through therefore. They
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can't even understand the relationship That's
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developing between exactly else. Did I was it
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last week, you know In Job's sort of suffering
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and Job's sort of reasoning and listening to
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what they're saying, and then coming to his own
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conclusions, as he's mulling over all these things
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that have been said, his own things, his walls
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now of partitioning God off into his little neat
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box are starting to open up, where because the
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others are seeing them open up. And like you
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said, he's almost like looking away from them
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now. They are getting smaller. Their boxes getting
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smaller because now they're becoming a little
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bit more angry. They're becoming more personal.
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Yes, they are. It's got nothing to do with internal.
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In fact, they're becoming more dark as Job is
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becoming more light. Very good. And this is why
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I wanted to slow down. And Elaine, you are brilliant.
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I love how you... By the way, Elaine and I haven't
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even discussed this. Elaine is like two steps
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ahead of me. She's always like two steps. This
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is beautiful. I love it. So I'm glad you said
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it that way. We work as a team. We do but in
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this argument guys and I'm gonna work I'm gonna
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get back to the comments because we have one
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more from Tony But I wanted to say this to you
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Alan. I'm glad you picked up on that I'm glad
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that you saw it and the fact was when you heard
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commandments That's huge when he heard the word
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of his lips, you know, I followed the word of
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his lips. Yeah, that's oral That's communication.
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That's God that's talking to him. He's outside
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of the covenant. This is huge It's such a huge
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discovery for me. I just I was like what is going
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on? so What happens next after 24 is build that
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comes in and guys, I want you to pay particular
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attention to how short it is. It's so short because
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he literally shuts down Eliphaz. And when he
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does it, build that doesn't even discuss anything
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that Job says that you've got to see it because
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what build that does is what we see. I see it
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all the time. I like to call it virtue signaling.
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It's kind of weird in our world anyway, but we'll
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get to that here in a little while. I don't know
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if we'll get to it today, but I want you, if
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you guys read 24 through 27, I wanted you to
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particularly notice how short chapter 25 was.
23:23
There's a reason for that. All right. So hello,
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Tony. Thank you for giving us a comment here.
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Hi, Tony. This homework really got me thinking
23:33
when job says if it is not so who can prove me
23:36
a liar It feels like he's inviting honest examination
23:39
Not blind agreement. That's good. That's exactly
23:43
what we want in life As regards God and faith
23:47
in the scriptures. This is what we want. Yes,
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this is what we want when I look at the world
23:52
today I still see what job is describing injustice
23:55
people prospering in ways that don't seem right
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other suffering without clear reason Exactly.
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And getting away with it. Yeah, it really brings
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to mind there's nothing new under the sun. Yep.
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Very wise. Men are men are men are men. I'm talking
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about mankind. They are the same. They're feelings,
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they're emotions, they're envies, they're jealous.
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They're all the same. Right. Centuries come and
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go, but emotions don't change. That's right.
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So this is what Tony's answer was. That tells
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me Job wasn't lying. Very good. He was being
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honest about what he saw and experienced. Absolutely.
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Yeah. I think the challenge for us is how we
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respond. Do we become like the friends and try
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to explain everything or do we acknowledge what
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we see and still trust God through it? Very good.
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Really looking forward to digging into this more.
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Thank you, Tony. Guys, go over to Tony's channel.
24:49
Go over to Tony's channel. She's written some
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more songs based on this portion of the study.
24:52
It's really good. Yeah, they both dropped. Excellent.
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They're really good too, by the way. One of them
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is pretty hard rock. I don't know if you'll like
24:58
that one, Elaine. No, probably not. You can't
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say anything like that until you try it. I think
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that is true. Just read that last bit, that last
25:09
portion. Yeah, she said, I think the challenge
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for us is how we respond. Do we become like the
25:16
friends and try to explain everything or do we
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acknowledge what we see and still trust God through
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it? I think that's the thing. Do we still trust
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God through it? And I think that's the whole
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point, isn't it? It's like we've said before,
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that God didn't take Job out of the suffering,
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but he was learning now that he should be relying
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on God to understand why he's suffering. And
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this is what God does. He takes us through our
25:38
sufferings, and through our sufferings, we learn.
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This here is all about learning. And what is
25:45
he learning? He's learning how not to respond
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like the three comforters. He's learning how
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it feels to be in this position and looked at
25:52
like that. So it's a learning curve. And when
25:55
he comes out the other side, you'd like to believe
25:57
and think, which I obviously do, because God
25:59
asked him to pray for the others, that he's learned
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about the reality of who God is as a character,
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as a personality, not a list of orders and following
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in your footsteps and that type of thing. But
26:14
he becomes real and there's something starts
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to live in him that relationship. It's not just
26:20
a reading of somebody. or knowing about somebody,
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you know, it's really having a relationship with
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him. And I think that's right, Tony, you know?
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Yes, I agree. God doesn't take away the situation
26:32
that you're in, but he helps you endure it. All
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right. You're exactly right. And so I'm going
26:38
to say this. It might sound a little weird. I'm
26:42
apologizing up front if it sounds too weird.
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No, you are weird. I will rename. I love you.
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I will rename, I want to rename the book of Job.
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Are you ready? Go on. How to become a high priest
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of God. And that is, that is what I think is
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actually at the core of this book, guys. How
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to become a high priest of God. Because when
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you find out what happens to Job later in the
27:08
book, it's going to make total sense. Yeah. But
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he had to go through this. all of this in order
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to know God and see. I want you to think about
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the relationships. Follow the relationships in
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this book. When you go to the front of the book,
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he's just being mentioned by God and the accuser
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knows him. They know what's up. But when you
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listen to the relationship that Job has with
27:30
his family, he's doing sacrifices on behalf of
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them because perhaps they are thinking something
27:35
in their heart. That means that the relationship,
27:38
maybe they're not communicating. It doesn't matter.
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My point is that he was operating in that fashion.
27:42
And then God takes everything away from him and
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then the relationship to his wife his wife immediately
27:47
says Curse God and die. That's as far as she
27:50
can go. The anguish and the pain and the suffering
27:53
has stopped his bride from wanting to go any
27:55
further. But he can't. He must go forward because
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he knows Shaddai and he loves Shaddai and he
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knows I've gotta keep going through this. And
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so he does. Then his three friends arrive and
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they sit with him for seven days and say nothing
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to him. And he's there in his thoughts between
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him and Shaddai and he's wrestling with his humanity.
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all of the things that are so hard for him. And
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then when he begins to open his mouth, it shocks
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his three friends. They do not like what he's
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come to understand. And so then they begin their
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arguments based on their worldly systems that
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they have built for themselves or have been taught
28:30
in tradition by their families, whatever. But
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Job is being pressed like our Lord Jesus Christ,
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pressed into something new. He is being crushed
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so that this oil like you said the press of the
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oil will come out so as we watch this you're
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watching how a a priest is being brought into
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the state of like a high priest this is what's
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going on how do you really relate with god and
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then how do you relate to his people yeah and
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if you are the wisest and the most upright and
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you're also the richest if you are the most greatest
29:02
man and all the east what's your relationship
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to god like how is that gonna work this is pointing
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to christ hugely pointing to Christ. But also,
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in my opinion, it's pointing to how Christ overcomes
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all of this world. And I don't mean just Israel.
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I mean it all. He overcomes all of it. So that's
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where we're heading, guys, going into chapter
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24. I think so. And it's interesting, really,
29:28
that his wife says to him, curse God and die.
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Well, there's a curse there. Yes. And yet, through
29:34
Job's faithfulness, which is what Adam should
29:38
have been, which is the last Adam was. It's like,
29:41
because Job was faithful, he still ends up having
29:44
another 10 children with his wife. So it's like
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he overrode her and protected her because she
29:52
was saying, let's curse. So again, it's a bit
29:54
like the nation of Israel. You know, God says,
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you know, this is what will come upon you, the
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curse is the curses. But because Christ is a
30:01
faithful husband, he's protecting her. Yes, and
30:05
she can come back and have more children It's
30:09
showing the path of resurrection. It's showing
30:11
the path of restoration It's showing the path
30:14
of whenever Israel fails and goes down even though
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Job hadn't failed It's showing you a story of
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how somebody is taken into the tomb and then
30:24
comes out of the tomb in the newness of life
30:25
and becomes the great high priest becomes The
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the all -in -all King he becomes everything That's
30:32
what's really going on in this story. And by
30:34
the way, it was put in the Tanakh for this very
30:35
reason, to teach Israel. Absolutely. This is
30:38
to teach Israel. And Israel is supposed to be
30:40
the ones that are the light to this world, to
30:43
this man. And that's the thing. This is another
30:46
story of redemption, isn't it? It's another story
30:49
of Christ, of the fall of mankind, of the bride,
30:54
of the curse. of the redeeming factor of Job's
30:59
faithfulness, and how he prays at the end, and
31:02
how it all comes out wonderful and lovely, you
31:04
know, like, happy ever after, which really, ultimately,
31:06
Christ, as being the last Adam, actually took
31:09
us out from under what Adam brought about. And
31:11
that's what it's always been about. It's always
31:13
going, you know, it's always going back to that.
31:15
But these are stories in between time, real people
31:19
living real lives, going through real situations
31:21
and circumstances, but through it, learning so
31:24
much. And through the learning, we have now the
31:27
record written down so that we can see it. We
31:30
can read it. Where do I fit in all this? Or where
31:33
can I project that towards that so I can understand
31:37
that a little bit better? You're frozen, have
31:38
you? No, I'm still here. Oh, no, you're not.
31:41
I'm frozen. I'm enraptured in your words. Oh,
31:44
I should be enraptured by it. But again, it's
31:47
this whole thing, isn't it? It's all going back
31:50
to it. It's like a reflection of Hosea. You know
31:55
that you've got to marry this one. She's no good.
31:57
She's a whore. She's a prostitute. She's a, you
32:00
know, but then he says, I'm going to speak, speak
32:02
lovingly to her, you know, and woo her again.
32:05
You know, it's, it's, it's, it's the whole thing
32:08
is just story after story and why wouldn't the
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starring, uh, the role, uh, have the prominence
32:18
throughout the whole, um, um, spectacle of, of
32:21
redemption, the story, the film that we are part
32:24
part of why shouldn't he have the greatest part
32:27
ever that every single part just matches this
32:30
one who came into time at that moment when it
32:32
was appointed and and brought about something
32:36
wonderful that we can all live in now that have
32:38
faith and believe it's always been about faith
32:40
it's not been about just turning up somewhere
32:42
and going through the motions you know i've been
32:44
going through that um uh the um we'll have to
32:48
go through that as well about the uh the feast
32:50
you know when they're invited That's really fascinating
32:54
as well. It is, yes it is. The nation of Israel,
32:57
you know, the time had come for the invited,
32:59
you know, to turn up. And then he says go and
33:02
invite. So you've got two categories. You've
33:04
got ones that were already invited and ones that
33:06
were going to get an invite. So, you know, who
33:09
were the ones that were already invited in the
33:11
nation of Israel? Well, they can't do this, can't
33:13
do that kind of difference. It's just wonderful.
33:16
Wonderful, wonderful. Yes it is. It is. And yeah,
33:20
so. How to become a high priest. Well, sorry,
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I've gone off on a tangent. It's okay. How to
33:25
become a high priest. Here's how you do it. Just
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watch Job. I want you to, I want you to, yeah,
33:30
I've reeled you in. So I want you to look, okay.
33:32
So in Job chapter 24 verse one, uh, he, he's
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why are not times of judgment kept by the almighty
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and why do those who know him never see his days?
33:42
This is a, this is a question that a priest is
33:44
going to ask. This is somebody that Watch this.
33:48
He's not saying does God judge. He already knows
33:50
that God judges. Okay. He's asking why is judgment
33:53
not openly scheduled and publicly visible? He's
33:56
really that this is what Eliphaz and his friends
33:59
are saying is that this is this happens, right?
34:01
God's justice is immediate. It is obvious. It
34:04
is measurable. Well, then where are these supposed
34:07
judgment days? That's what Job's asking, right?
34:10
Yep. Times of judgment. times, appointed times,
34:14
fixed seasons. He's asking those questions. We
34:16
know that later on within the body of the Torah,
34:20
that God gives them set feasts and appointed
34:22
times and court dates. He does do that later
34:25
on. He actually does do that, right? Okay. So
34:29
him saying it that way literally attacks the
34:33
logic of all three men. Job has just bound them
34:37
up. He's done. And then he says, some move landmarks,
34:41
they seize flocks and pasture them. So Joe's
34:44
going to start cataloging injustice right here.
34:46
He's going to start showing them, right? These
34:48
are boundary markers of property lines that he's
34:50
saying. And these men are moving these boundary
34:52
markers. And by the way, later on in Deuteronomy
34:54
chapter 19, verse 14, it says, you shall not
34:56
move your neighbor's landmark. Absolutely. This
35:00
is law. He already knows it orally. That's right.
35:04
It's their inheritance. Deuteronomy 27, 17. Cursed
35:07
be anyone who moves his neighbor's landmark.
35:09
The law is going to tackle that. Job already
35:12
knows this. Job knows this orally. He knows this
35:14
in his relationship to Shaddai, but it's happening
35:17
and there's not justice against them. That's
35:20
what's blowing apart the worldview of the men,
35:21
right? So people do things worthy of covenant
35:25
curses. This happens, but he's not in a covenant
35:28
or at least not in the covenant of the promised
35:31
line. Okay. Joe 24 3 that they drive away the
35:35
donkey of the fatherless. They take the widow's
35:39
ox for a pledge. Here it comes. Starts talking
35:41
about the widows and orphans, right? Widows and
35:46
orphans have very little legal protection in
35:48
the ancient world, if any, until the Torah. Once
35:51
the Torah comes in for the nation of Israel,
35:54
there is sanctions placed in there for them to
35:57
take care of them, right? We know this. And it's
36:01
not saying that all women and children are helpless.
36:03
It's just talking about, in particular, the fatherless.
36:07
So they drive away the donkey of the fatherless.
36:11
It's theft of working property. Exactly, because
36:15
that's how he earns his living. That's how he
36:17
earns his living. That's right. It takes the
36:18
widow's ox for a pledge. That means that an ox
36:20
is something that plows. Plows, you plant things.
36:24
They're taking away food. They're devouring widow's
36:27
houses and they're displacing the fatherless.
36:29
All right, watch this. Verse four, they thrust
36:32
the poor off the road. The poor of the earth
36:34
all hide themselves. Social displacement. The
36:37
wicked do not just merely steal things. They
36:40
make the vulnerable disappear from public life.
36:44
My goodness. This is like reading a page out
36:47
of the newspaper. It sure is. Behold, like wild
36:51
donkeys in the desert, the poor go out to their
36:54
toil. Seeking game the wasteland yields food
36:58
for their children. Oh my gosh These are desperate
37:02
survivors. They are they're desperate survivors
37:05
and it's so important the poor are working They're
37:09
not failing because they refuse to that with
37:11
effort. No, they're willing to work for their
37:13
food They're having a scavenge like wild animals.
37:17
It's pointing out the brokenness of the system
37:20
people suffer You know build that in them saying
37:24
well, they're suffering because they're wicked
37:25
and foolish Job's like no, sir The wicked and
37:28
the foolish are taking are taking advantage of
37:31
the poor in the week is what's actually going
37:33
on, right? So they're out there verse 6 they
37:37
gather their fodder in the field and they glean
37:39
the vineyard of the wicked man Holy moly. I know
37:43
listen to that. They're gathering That's turning
37:47
their argument upside down. It's upside down.
37:50
He was like, they're having to gather from the
37:52
wicked vineyard. Exactly. That should remind
37:55
you of the scribes and the Pharisees, by the
37:57
way. Yes. And so in verse seven, they lie all
38:03
night naked without clothing and have no covering
38:05
in the cold. Yeah. That's a bodily cost that
38:08
these people are feeling. Now they're out in
38:10
the exposure. This is it's not abstract. It's
38:15
the same today in America. You know, there's
38:18
people outside with hardly any clothing. They're
38:20
sleeping in the cold. They're taking away their
38:22
homes. They're taking away their food. They're
38:24
taking away their livelihoods, their jobs, their
38:26
homes, everything. Listen to what the Torah says.
38:31
If you take a poor, if you take a poor man's
38:34
cloak as a pledge, you're supposed to return
38:36
it by nightfall because it might be his only
38:39
covering. That's the law folks. Yes. Job is literally
38:44
spitting out Torah. He's spitting it out verbally,
38:48
okay? They are wet with the rain of the mountains
38:50
and cling to the rock for lack of shelter. Continuing
38:53
that same picture, isn't that? They're exposed,
38:55
displaced, shelterless, and the system's not
38:58
taking care of it, and God doesn't have appointed
39:00
justice times for it either. Exactly, and that's
39:03
the thing. You know, it's this idea of compassion
39:07
for these people and seeing what's being done,
39:10
having your eyes opened. You know, not just going
39:12
about your daily business, carrying on doing
39:14
what you're doing. He's really starting to think
39:16
maybe of something that he's never ever thought
39:18
about before, never thought about. He's done
39:21
what he's done. He's a righteous man. God has
39:22
already said that. But maybe these are the things
39:26
that now God is sort of saying, well, bring these
39:28
things to mind. Now start speaking out, Job,
39:30
on what you've seen, but you've never really
39:32
owned in on. You've owned in on all the other
39:34
stuff. But now you're starting to see. a part
39:38
of my personality that I'm really giving to you
39:40
through this suffering and through these people
39:42
trying to comfort you. That's right. Once again,
39:47
it's starting to awaken, the light starting to,
39:50
the little dimmer switch is starting to turn
39:51
up. I want you to think of those three men, almost
39:55
like the children of Israel and Job being like
39:58
Moses reading the law to them. Think about them
40:01
when they're first hearing it, right? watch this
40:04
listen to this there are those who snatch the
40:07
fatherless child from the breast and they take
40:08
a pledge against the poor so guys that's taking
40:12
a child as debt security or tearing apart a vulnerable
40:18
family or seizing what belongs to the poor with
40:22
absolute ruthless indifference and the sad thing
40:25
is uh rick that they don't even need that They're
40:29
not just selfish. They're predatory. They don't
40:32
even need it. Yeah. I mean, wow. Exactly. And
40:36
that's the thing. It's not coming from a wall.
40:37
You can understand if someone's pinching something
40:39
if they're hungry and haven't got anything. But
40:41
these ones have got everything. They've got vineyards.
40:43
They've got their own sort of way of plowing
40:45
and stuff like that. And yet they are just like
40:47
stamping all over these people. And not only
40:50
stamping, it seems that they're just not one
40:52
thought. The empathy and compassion and the kindness.
40:55
It's almost like they're psychopaths. I know
40:58
listen to this watch this think about think about
41:01
as a worker But this these people are poor listen
41:04
to this verse 10 they go about naked without
41:06
clothing hungry They carry the sheaves in other
41:09
words the poor the poor Carry the food, but they
41:13
don't even get to eat it exactly Exactly, that's
41:17
so ironic. Isn't it ironic? removed from the
41:25
thought of anything human are these people? Yeah,
41:29
listen, listen to what this Job who's becoming
41:31
a high priest says. Think about it like this.
41:34
The friends have told him in their worldview
41:36
basically like this. They've said if you live
41:38
wisely and righteously, life tends toward order
41:40
and blessing. That's what they're telling him.
41:42
Here's what Job would respond. Tell that to the
41:45
hungry laborer carrying another man's harvest.
41:48
Exactly. Right? Right. Well, it's the same as
41:51
the Pharisees. We've got, you must be being blessed
41:54
because God must be thinking that we're really
41:55
righteous and lovely because we've got lots of
41:57
money and you must be a wicked person not worthy
41:59
of anything because you haven't got anything.
42:02
No, I'm with you. Yeah. Verse 11. I mean, can
42:05
you imagine Jesus sort of like wearing a wardrobe
42:07
around with him when he was going? Right. He
42:10
only had like one or two sets of clothes probably.
42:12
Right. You know, he picked to add things as he
42:14
went along. Like he said, foxes have dens and
42:16
chickens have... But the son of man's got nowhere
42:18
to lay his head. I'm gonna lay his head. No,
42:20
no, no. And yet then we're condemning him to
42:22
be like, again, we've got this, this is all happening.
42:24
We can all pick out stuff in the New Testament
42:28
to see that basically it's the same thing dished
42:31
up. Nothing is changed. And it's always those
42:34
people that are in those leadership roles, those
42:38
people that should be sort of dispensing these
42:40
things that become harder. and harder and more
42:44
small in their kindness, in their compassion,
42:48
in their thoughts towards their fellow neighbour.
42:51
Watch this, here's more injustice for these people
42:53
who are poor. Among the olive rows of the wicked,
42:56
they make oil, they tread the wine presses, but
42:59
suffer thirst. So just like he said, they were
43:01
working in the field and carrying the sheaves,
43:02
but they don't get to eat it. And the same way
43:04
they're stamping their olive oil and they make
43:07
their wine, but they don't get to taste any of
43:09
it. They're producing the oil and the wine and
43:13
it's abundance for the wicked people. And they
43:15
go thirsty, deprived and excluded. That's what
43:18
Job is saying right here. Yeah. there and it
43:21
shows a world where there's this proximity to
43:24
blessing but it's not the same as the participation
43:27
in the blessing they're in the proximity and
43:30
if you remember what i told you early in the
43:31
study i said that job sees god's creation now
43:35
instead of a blessing he sees it as a curse remember
43:38
me saying that that's what he's like cursed is
43:39
the day of my birth i'm looking at all of this
43:42
goodness of god and you called it very good and
43:44
i'm saying it's not anymore not for me Okay,
43:48
so Job is recognizing that not only for himself
43:50
while he's in the dust, but now his compassion
43:52
has grown for all of those people who are without.
43:55
Whether he had compassion before or not, I don't
43:57
know, but he was blameless and upright. He's
43:59
blameless and upright. I would say he probably
44:01
did have compassion and he certainly didn't do
44:03
what Eliphaz said that he did. That's for sure.
44:05
Yeah. Verse 12, from out of the city, the dying
44:08
groan and the soul of the wounded cries for help,
44:10
yet God charges no one with wrong. This is what
44:15
I was talking about when I said he said something
44:18
about God and I was saying, can we prove Job
44:21
a liar? So far, no. No, you can't. And I'm going
44:24
to say in verse 12, you still can't because you
44:27
got to understand. And Elaine, you're probably
44:29
the master of the word here, but I'm going to
44:33
say When he says that he charges God no wrong
44:39
it kind of stings when you hear that like it's
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like wait God charges no one with wrong, but
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that's not he's not saying God is morally evil.
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Okay, he's saying from the standpoint of visible
44:51
history God often appears not to intervene when
44:54
we expect him to and that's the point. That's
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the point. He's telling this To the group. He's
45:01
not addressing just Eliphaz. He's saying it to
45:03
the group guys he is and that in mine it says
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men are groaning in the city the mortally wounded
45:09
are crying for help yet god finds nothing amiss
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right there's nothing amiss well well well there
45:16
is but and that's the whole thing isn't it it's
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not god finds nothing amiss it's and god finds
45:22
nothing amiss right you know exactly It's the
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way that goes up and down. It's how it's said.
45:32
Exactly. So when we're reading the words, it
45:34
can be lost. But if you keep it within the context
45:36
of what he's saying, you got it. Very good. Perfect.
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And basically his faith is under pressure by
45:43
these men and he's responding to it, not just
45:46
in general terms. He's breaking it down like
45:47
the law would break it down, but he also He's
45:50
forcing this theological problem on their worldview.
45:53
How can God be just when the cries of the crushed
45:55
often seen seem unanswered? Answer me, men. Prove
46:00
me wrong. That's where he's heading, right? Isn't
46:02
it funny, though, that all of these things he
46:04
keeps bringing up, like when we talk, it's leading
46:06
you on to the next thing. You go further and
46:09
further into the thought process. Mm hmm. And
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that's what's happening here. He's actually going,
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he's taking himself further in his thought process
46:17
by the things he's saying, by the things he's
46:19
realizing and the experience he's having with
46:21
his friends. Right. So -called. His friends,
46:24
right. So, so far, let me read the list of the
46:27
things that he's handled all the way up to this
46:28
point. Land theft, predatory lending, widow oppression,
46:32
orphan exploitation, social displacement, labor
46:35
injustice, bodily suffering, urban suffering,
46:38
and apparent divine silence. Hmm. Now he's going
46:43
to shift. Yes. Now he's going to shift. That's
46:47
exactly what it's all about. That's that's really
46:49
good. That's you should write that down on on
46:52
the comments so we could. Yes. So now we're going
46:55
to shift. We're going to finish the chapter.
46:57
I know we're probably going to go over an hour,
46:58
but just just stay with me because I asked you
47:01
to do the homework in this chapter. And so I
47:03
want to show you where we're going. All right.
47:05
So Job is going to shift. Right? Verse 13, there
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are those who rebel against the light, who are
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not acquainted with its ways and do not stay
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in its paths. Right? They rebel against the light.
47:21
He's starting to shift. He's talking about light
47:23
and darkness now. It's one of my, I think it's
47:26
one of the greatest descriptions of evil in scripture
47:29
to be perfectly honest with you when he does
47:31
this shift. Okay. Yep. Light carries this weight
47:35
to it, moral clarity, truth, justice, what is
47:38
right, what can be seen openly, sometimes even
47:41
God's moral order. That's what light is used
47:43
for in the Bible, right? He's not saying these
47:46
people do bad things. He is saying they are posed
47:48
to what is true, open and right. They're opposed
47:51
to it. They're rebelling. They know it. They
47:53
rebel against it. They're not even acquainted
47:56
with its ways They don't even know how to operate
47:58
within it and they certainly don't stay within
48:00
its past when they when they do understand it
48:03
Okay So then he says the murderer now he's went
48:07
from all of these people being exploited now
48:10
He's going into those that rebel against the
48:12
light which is also where God's law handles Do
48:14
not murder do not do absolutely the murder arises
48:17
before it is light Interesting timing with that
48:21
that he may kill the poor and needy and in the
48:23
night. He is like a thief So first he brings
48:27
out the murder who rises before the light I've
48:32
got the murderer rises with the light Yeah, I'm
48:35
wondering whether he's saying here that the murder
48:38
himself rises with the people that are Righteously
48:42
disposed. It's quite possible and I don't know
48:44
we can do some study in that in those words like
48:46
back in the hebrew but the way that I was reading
48:48
it is that Just before its light he rises up
48:51
and he's going to commit murder and then later
48:53
He's a thief in the night. These people are thieves
48:55
in the night and basically Yeah Go on so he can
48:59
kill the poor and the needy and steal from these
49:01
people. Yeah, but I again, you know, it's You
49:04
can see it both ways, but the murder arises with
49:07
the light again you know with the light is he
49:10
because he's talking about you know god's ways
49:13
here we're talking about those that would be
49:15
um living out those ways so is he rising with
49:18
those are living out god's ways and um to kill
49:21
those that are doing that they are the poor and
49:23
the needy that are living like they're the ones
49:25
that are experiencing it from you the wicked
49:27
man right right so Let's keep trudging along
49:32
here, I'm sorry, but watch where he goes now.
49:34
The eye of the adulterer also waits for the twilight
49:38
saying, no, I will see me. And he veils his face.
49:41
By the way, remember I told you he's not directly
49:44
going after Eliphaz. In fact, he is telling it
49:47
generally, but he is rocking their world right
49:52
now. I don't know if you guys know this, but
49:53
he's literally rocking this world. Like he's
49:56
rocking our world. He's saying it. He moves from
49:59
the murderer and the thief into the adulterer.
50:01
You know the Ten Commandments handle this, guys.
50:04
The eye of the adulterer, it's a very intentional
50:07
phrase here. He's saying that their desire, their
50:09
intention, they're coveting their secret orientation.
50:14
Well, they're looking for it, aren't they? They're
50:15
waiting for that appropriate time, which is twilight.
50:18
They're waiting for that moment because they
50:20
know that there's going to be total darkness.
50:22
This is where these people operate. So it's showing
50:25
that the way that sin comes into the world is
50:27
through what's happening internally to you, then
50:30
you operate external. Well, yeah, it is, but
50:33
it has to be external before it goes internal
50:35
to be born out. But that's exactly right. But
50:39
so they see something, they desire it, they keep
50:41
their secret orientation or whatever it is, then
50:43
they act upon it and then it comes. Yes. All
50:46
right. So then we've got. verse 16 in the dark
50:50
they dig through houses they by day they shut
50:53
themselves up they do not know the light very
50:57
sneaky very sneaky it expands now to burglars
51:03
thieves house breakers night crimes right digging
51:07
through houses it's it's like None of this is
51:12
abstract. He's literally describing the world
51:14
in which they live He's just letting them know
51:16
for deep darkness is mourning to all of them
51:20
So instead of the light coming up deep darkness
51:23
is the morning for them for they are they remind
51:25
you what Christ said, isn't it? You know, yeah
51:27
Pharisees if in fact your dark is light How dark
51:30
your darkness is. How dark is the darkness, exactly.
51:33
And they are friends with the terrors of deep
51:35
darkness, right? So, oh my goodness. Well, again,
51:40
it's like this outer darkness, isn't it? That
51:42
they're sent out into outer darkness. Yes. We
51:45
hear that, you know, the nation of Israel, they're
51:47
in outer darkness. This is where they were sent.
51:50
Right. Can you read verse 18 for me? Because
51:54
mine says something, it might be a little bit
51:56
different from yours. It says, may they be scum
52:00
on the surface of the water. May their share
52:03
of land be cursed. May no one turn on the way
52:06
of their vineyards. Interesting. In the ESV,
52:10
it says, you say, swift are they on the face
52:13
of the waters. Their portion is cursed in the
52:15
land. No treader turns toward their vineyards.
52:18
So when he said you say, I thought that was interesting.
52:22
Because I thought for a minute there that he
52:23
was answering Elifaz, but it's not it seems to
52:26
be it's like a common claim of the time But this
52:31
is part of the reason the debate exists here.
52:34
Swift are they on the face of the waters? Most
52:37
likely this is just me and you might have something
52:40
different fleeting unstable quickly carried away
52:43
like a foam or a drift on water, perhaps the
52:46
week. So the point would be that the wicked don't
52:48
last like you say that wicked don't last. That's
52:51
what they've been saying. Yeah. Or maybe that's
52:54
what he's wanting them to become. Just scum.
52:57
Because again, scum, you can sort of scrape it
52:59
off and it's just thrown into nothing. Right.
53:03
Because he's gone from the things of of he's
53:07
gone and told us what they are doing. And now
53:12
he's telling you what he would like them to be
53:16
or to become or that would happen to their end.
53:20
I mean, yeah, possibly. I'm there with you too.
53:25
You see, because I'm thinking about the whole
53:27
thing, because again, he's talked about light,
53:29
he talks about darkness, and we know that he's
53:31
talking about, you know, again, all the way through
53:33
the word of God. We've got this light and this
53:35
dark, this night and this day going on. and it's
53:38
always we know that the people are in the light
53:40
are sort of following God that he's living out
53:43
God's principles in faith but darkness doesn't
53:46
know anything about the light in fact darkness
53:48
flees from the light so therefore I would be
53:50
thinking now he's he's gone down all these things
53:53
that they are and now he's trying he's telling
53:57
you what he would like isn't ending because he
54:00
says there doesn't he but that was the thing
54:02
um uh like it says there uh where do we get that
54:04
one Where was that thing, that last part? Verse
54:08
18? No, where was that? We were in verse 18.
54:16
Swift are they on the face of the water? Oh yeah,
54:17
and even if it isn't so now, still no one can
54:20
prove me a liar and show me that my words are
54:22
worthless. I mean, even if it isn't so now. So
54:25
he's listed all the things that these wicked
54:28
people do, and to these poor oppressed people,
54:31
and yet now he's saying to you, right, this is
54:34
This is where the end is, because again, is there
54:37
no recompense for them? Well, I think if you
54:40
read verse 22, though, read verse 22, because
54:42
he says, yet God prolongs the life of the mighty
54:44
by his power, they rise up when they despair
54:47
of life. He's I think you're in verse what? Verse
54:51
22, chapter 24, verse 22, 22. Mine says, yet
54:57
God keeps pulling the mighty along. They get
54:59
up even when not trusting their own lives. Again,
55:03
this is, again, yet God keeps pulling them along.
55:06
So again, is he saying they're sort of spiritually
55:10
that because they're alive, God is allowing them
55:13
to follow down this path, or is it because this
55:15
path has been sort of like preset for them because
55:18
that's their character? I would say the latter.
55:20
I would say the latter. I think that that's what's
55:22
being said here. This retribution theology world
55:28
view that everybody has towards job i think job
55:31
job will acknowledge the ultimate reality of
55:34
the wicked that there will be a time it will
55:36
be judged it just does not happen in the way
55:39
in which you believe. in our world. You've made
55:42
a mistake. This is how to become a high priest.
55:45
It's somebody who can have the ultimate compassion
55:47
and dig in deep and really get down to the bottom
55:49
of it and know that the Lord is there. Someone
55:52
who's suffered, knows the Lord is there. Someone
55:54
who understands the laws of God and how to rightly
55:57
appropriate them through compassion. That's the
56:00
ultimate point I'm trying to make here. Well,
56:02
we spoke about that on Tuesday. Yes. It literally
56:07
is. All these things are learning curves. and
56:11
all it's meant to teach us is compassion. Knowing
56:14
how we feel when we've been through these situations
56:17
and circumstances that have shaped us, and knowing
56:20
how God internally has used and utilized those
56:23
things, that then we can extend and project that
56:27
compassion when people are going through those
56:29
things, because we know, like we said, you know,
56:32
when Christ was going to the Resurrection of
56:34
Lazarus, he cried. You know, I mean he did tell
56:38
me, hang on lads, don't worry. Watch this, I'm
56:41
super powerful, beep! Right, yeah. I'm gonna
56:44
roll the stone away, you watch what I can do.
56:45
You went with him. It didn't say that, he looked
56:48
at them. He knew the pain that they were going
56:51
through and he felt their pain. That's right.
56:53
He understood their pain. And again, it's about
56:56
understanding Christ's pain in the Garden of
56:58
Gethsemane. When his sweat became his droplets
57:01
of blood. When we look at what he did, there's
57:04
this overwhelming understanding of what he did
57:06
because we know what it feels like to be in extreme
57:10
pain and want someone to have compassion upon
57:12
us. Which is exactly what's happening to Job.
57:16
He's beginning to wake up. He's starting to talk
57:18
to God directly with these people in their earshot.
57:21
And as they're sort of like getting smaller and
57:24
smaller and narrower and narrower, they're going
57:25
into more and more darkness. where Joe, his walls,
57:29
like we say, because he's gone through this,
57:31
because he's now starting to talk to God, the
57:34
walls of his compassion and his understanding
57:36
of God are getting wider and wider. So he's stepping
57:39
more into light as they're getting further away.
57:43
So you've got this sort of, Joe is moving towards
57:45
the center, which is God, and then you've got
57:47
these are moving further away from the center
57:50
into darkness. That's right. so the gap the gulf
57:54
once again which is what we're talking about
57:55
schism a gap the schism the gap a wider that's
57:59
good so we can't prove job a liar that's for
58:05
sure we know that we were along with the friends
58:07
know what he said about god in regard to yet
58:09
he doesn't do anything with that's not how he
58:12
meant it we understand the way in which he's
58:14
saying it that um it's about timing not necessarily
58:18
about god's ultimate justice so Here's this is
58:22
how we're gonna end the study today so i'd ask
58:23
you guys to read twenty four to twenty seven
58:25
so now that you've heard this in chapter twenty
58:28
four. Go back and read twenty five twenty six
58:30
and twenty seven even though there's more job
58:32
in that we're not gonna cover that all in the
58:34
study. But i want you to pay close attention
58:36
to how short bill dad speeches and then i want
58:39
you really pay close attention to what he actually
58:42
says and i want you to see how bill dad. Has
58:46
nowhere to go and he starts talking in generalities.
58:49
It's so wild. We do this. I've done it I've seen
58:52
people do it to me. It's pretty wild. Well, God
58:54
is good. So God does everything, you know The
59:01
question God is when you want to know something
59:03
to understand something when you don't understand
59:05
it and that's right Yes. Yes, absolutely. So
59:08
Thank you guys for your comments. Thank you,
59:10
Alan, for bringing up that question. Yeah, I
59:12
hope that we answered it. And why that was nagging,
59:16
why we were thinking of David and Solomon and
59:18
the law and all the things, because this is really
59:20
a story about how to become a high priest. It's
59:22
a story about God's law. It's a story about his
59:24
oral tradition. And it's also a story about people
59:26
who are outside of the covenant that God spoke
59:28
with, whom he saw was righteous and upright,
59:31
which is, by the way, a law to their heart. Romans
59:34
chapter one, you'll see these kinds of things
59:36
kind of re. Igniting later in the New Testament
59:39
exactly and it's all about sort of like Joe being
59:42
awakened internally Before that there was a lot
59:44
of external going on now. Yes suffering He's
59:48
been woken internally and don't we do the same,
59:50
you know, you know God takes us through tribulations.
59:53
Why because it yields peaceable fruits namely
59:55
righteousness Yes, and it may not have been Romans
59:58
chapter 1. Sorry, it might be When he talks about
1:00:02
those who are who are going to be judged by their
1:00:05
heart, their heart, they become a law into themselves.
1:00:07
Yeah, that's one. Is that one? OK. Yeah, exactly.
1:00:10
Those that did not have the law become a law
1:00:12
unto themselves. That's right. Yeah, that's good.
1:00:14
So we're going to end there. and read 25, 26,
1:00:18
and 27. We might be able to get all the way to
1:00:20
27 in the next chapter. I don't know. It depends.
1:00:23
We had a really hard time getting through 24.
1:00:24
And I'm sorry for all of the breaks that you
1:00:26
got. I'm sure this is going to feel a little
1:00:28
jagged through here. I apologize. All of a sudden,
1:00:31
my internet is good now, but it wasn't before.
1:00:35
So anyway, God bless you, Elaine. Thank you for
1:00:38
sticking in there with it. Well, no, I mean,
1:00:40
thank you for sticking in there with me. Just
1:00:42
going off on a tangent. Real me in and I'm fine.
1:00:46
I'll just do my bit. And I'll tell you right
1:00:49
now, folks, we're going to do a study next week
1:00:52
and we're going to record it. Something that
1:00:54
Elaine is working on and it is going to blow
1:00:57
your mind. I can't wait. Don't beat me up that
1:01:00
much. Come on. Come on. It's that good. It's
1:01:03
that good. It's that good. You've never heard
1:01:06
it like this before, folks, I promise. I tell
1:01:08
you what, let's start on the bottom rung so that
1:01:10
if they think it's good, I can go up a bit, but
1:01:12
don't put me at the top because I've got a long
1:01:13
way to fall. All right. My feet are always swinging
1:01:17
in the gutter. Well, that's usually where my
1:01:20
mind is. So anyway. Thanks guys for watching
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1:01:26
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With all my heart, yeah. Take care. See ya.