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BONUS: Bourbon & Biden (Live from Louisville!) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: What's up, Louisville? Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Perry Bacon. I'm John Lovett.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 5: We have an outstanding show for you tonight. Your congressman,
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  Speaker 5: Morgan McGarvey, is here. Your state senator, Karen Berg, is here.
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  Speaker 5: And we are so lucky to be joined by Louisville native,
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  Speaker 5: Perry Bacon, also a columnist at the Washington Post.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 5: Let's get to the news. I believe we have breaking
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  Speaker 5: news here.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Wow. Major shakeup in the Republican primary.
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  Speaker 5: Former Vice President Mike Pence has suspended his campaign for president.
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  Speaker 5: His surprise announcement came at the end of his speech
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  Speaker 5: to the Republican Jewish Coalition. He said, it's become clear
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  Speaker 5: to me that it's not my time. And he called
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  Speaker 5: on voters to give our country a Republican standard bearer
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  Speaker 5: that will, as Lincoln said, Appeal to the better angels
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  Speaker 5: of our nature. A little dig at Donald Trump, who
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  Speaker 5: Pence will now go from running against to testifying against
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  Speaker 5: in the January 6th trial.
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  Speaker 3: To endorsing.
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  Speaker 6: You know what the Republican Jewish Coalition said to Mike
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  Speaker 6: Pence after he dropped out?
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  Speaker 2: Terrible in such small portions. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: How do you guys think this bombshell will change the race?
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  Speaker 3: Dan?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it'll change the race.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Who's going to get the Pence endorsement? The vaunted Pence endorsement?
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  Speaker 4: I think what will likely happen is this 0.6% support
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  Speaker 4: in the polls will be divided up evenly among Nikki Haley,
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  Speaker 4: Ron DeSantis, and Tim Scott.
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  Speaker 1: I think Doug Burgum's making a move. All right. Let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about... That's enough of Mike Pence.
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  Speaker 4: That's more time than Mike Pence's campaign deserved.
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  Speaker 5: Let's talk about Mike Pence's spiritual successor. Mike Johnson, the
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  Speaker 5: new Speaker of the House. New Speaker of the House
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  Speaker 5: who thinks Noah brought dinos on the ark.
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  Speaker 1: That's not a joke. He fought for tax breaks for
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  Speaker 1: a park right here in Kentucky. You guys know.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Have you anyone been to the Noah's Ark?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 1: With the dinos?
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  Speaker 2: I gotta say, he was right.
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  Speaker 6: Look, we can debate whether or not the dinosaurs were
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  Speaker 6: on the Ark, but he was right to fight for
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  Speaker 6: those tax breaks.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. I'm not saying the museum was accurate. All right.
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  Speaker 5: So Mike Johnson, he finally sits down for a hard-hitting
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  Speaker 5: interview with Sean Hannity.
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  Speaker 1: We learned in the interview.
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  Speaker 5: that Johnson doesn't want to keep the government open unless
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  Speaker 5: Republicans get some policy concessions, though they're still fighting with
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  Speaker 5: each other about what those are. On the menu are
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  Speaker 5: massive budget cuts, immigration restrictions, a national ban on mailing
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  Speaker 5: abortion pills. Johnson also admitted that he doesn't want to
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  Speaker 5: expel George Santos because Republicans can't afford to lose the seat.
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  Speaker 5: He said he wants to change the motion to vacate,
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  Speaker 5: which makes him smarter than Kevin McCarthy. And he told
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  Speaker 5: us a little bit more about who Mike Johnson is.
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  Speaker 10: Someone asked me today in the media, they said, it's curious.
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  Speaker 10: People are curious. What does Mike Johnson think about any
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  Speaker 10: issue under the sun? I said, well, Go pick up
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  Speaker 10: a Bible off your shelf and read it. That's my worldview.
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  Speaker 10: That's what I believe.
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  Speaker 11: Comments you had made both in writing and advocacy for
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  Speaker 11: this group about homosexuality, calling it sinful, destructive, and not
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  Speaker 11: supporting gay marriage, quote, no clear right to sodomy in
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  Speaker 11: the Constitution.
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  Speaker 9: You have been.
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  Speaker 11: Getting hammered on this.
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  Speaker 3: And I want to ask you about it.
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  Speaker 11: I want to know exactly where you stand. Some of
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  Speaker 11: these comments were.
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  Speaker 9: 15 years ago.
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  Speaker 10: I don't even remember some of them.
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  Speaker 11: Do you see in Joe Biden a cognitive decline? And
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  Speaker 11: if so, is that a danger to the country?
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 10: I think most of us do. That's reality. This is
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  Speaker 10: not a personal slight to him. If, in fact, all
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  Speaker 10: the evidence leads to where we believe it will. That's
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  Speaker 10: very likely impeachable offenses. You know, that's listed as a
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  Speaker 10: cause for impeachment in the Constitution. You know, bribery and
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  Speaker 10: other high crimes and misdemeanors, bribery is listed there. And
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  Speaker 10: it looks and smells a lot like that. And I
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  Speaker 10: think the evidence, we're going to follow the truth where
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  Speaker 10: it leads. We're going to engage in due process because, again,
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  Speaker 10: we're the rule of law party. I want to thank
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  Speaker 10: my dedicated wife of almost 25 years, Kelly. She spent
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  Speaker 10: the last couple of weeks on her knees in prayer
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  Speaker 10: to the Lord. And she's a little worn out.
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  Speaker 1: It's Mike Johnson. Perry, what's your early take on the
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  Speaker 1: Mike Johnson era?
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  Speaker 12: I mean, just, I know we're trying to keep it light,
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  Speaker 12: but when I just, we lost McCarthy and we have
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  Speaker 12: a less experienced, dumber, way more radical speaker in all honesty.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, this is a sign of how bad things are.
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  Speaker 12: This guy, I I'll be honest with you, I had
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  Speaker 12: not heard much about Mike Johnson two weeks ago, but
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  Speaker 12: I don't really know. And all I've learned about him
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  Speaker 12: is that he is significantly more conservative than McCarthy, who
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  Speaker 12: was no moderate and terrible at the job in a
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  Speaker 12: lot of ways.
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  Speaker 2: So things are bad.
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  Speaker 12: And also he's doubled down on impeachment particularly, which it
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  Speaker 12: seems like I, McCarthy did not seem that invested in.
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  Speaker 12: And maybe, I mean, if you're doing an interview with
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  Speaker 12: Sean Hannity, you probably can't downplay impeachment, but that's it.
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  Speaker 12: It looks like all the things that we were, you know,
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  Speaker 12: There was a lot of chaos, but ultimately we ended
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  Speaker 12: up with a speaker who's going to try to do
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  Speaker 12: the exact same things that McCarthy was, that Matt Gaetz wants,
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  Speaker 12: a speaker who's even more in Trump's pocket.
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  Speaker 5: Also, yeah, and James Comer just said the other day, too,
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  Speaker 5: that he doesn't know if he wants to have another
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  Speaker 5: impeachment hearing. And he's the guy that was leading the
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  Speaker 5: impeachment charge, and Mike Johnson's talking about doing impeachment now.
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  Speaker 4: Because the first one went so well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he wants a better impeachment trial.
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  Speaker 5: Tommy Johnson also said in that Hannity interview that he
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  Speaker 5: respects the Supreme Court's decision that legalized same-sex marriage and
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  Speaker 5: that he thinks abortion should be left to the states,
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  Speaker 5: even though, of course, he has long supported national bans
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  Speaker 5: on both abortion and same-sex marriage.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of his comments to Hannity?
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  Speaker 13: So, look, I think he presents well, right? He looks
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  Speaker 13: like Harry Potter's older brother. LAUGHTER A friendly English teacher
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  Speaker 13: who doesn't teach evolution or believe in it, but seems
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  Speaker 13: like kind of a nice guy. But to Perry's point,
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  Speaker 13: he's a super, super conservative lawmaker. He's a white Christian nationalist.
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  Speaker 13: He believes there is no separation between church and state.
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  Speaker 13: As he said there, the Bible is his worldview. So
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  Speaker 13: when he says that there shouldn't be a national abortion ban,
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  Speaker 13: it should be left to the states, I don't think
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  Speaker 13: we should believe that at all. I think we should
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  Speaker 13: treat that as a comment made with political expediency in
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  Speaker 13: mind the same way All of Donald Trump's Supreme Court
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  Speaker 13: nominees said they respected precedent, right, that Roe v.
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  Speaker 3: Wade was settled law.
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  Speaker 13: Now, I mean, he's a smart guy, and maybe he
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  Speaker 13: will not try to advance wildly unpopular things like overturning
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  Speaker 13: gay marriage or a 15-week abortion ban while he's the
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  Speaker 13: Speaker of the House and Democrats control the Senate and
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  Speaker 13: Joe Biden is in the White House because he knows
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  Speaker 13: it'll go nowhere, but it will make his moderate members
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  Speaker 13: take really bad votes. But, you know, like a friendly-looking
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  Speaker 13: ideologue is still an ideologue, and I think he's someone
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  Speaker 13: we really should worry about.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. It's very recently that he sponsored bills on national
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  Speaker 5: abortion bans. He refused to vote for codifying gay marriage
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  Speaker 5: as legal. He introduced the legislation to make Ron DeSantis'
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  Speaker 5: Don't Say Gay Law a national law and expand it
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  Speaker 5: from schools to public libraries, hospitals, military, anywhere that gets
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  Speaker 5: federal funding from the government.
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  Speaker 1: So he's pretty extreme. And if he had a majority,
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  Speaker 1: he probably do that stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think there are Republicans who got into politics
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  Speaker 6: for a bunch of different reasons, a messy coalition. There
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  Speaker 6: are Republicans that do the evangelical schtick, the anti-gay schtick,
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  Speaker 6: but their mission in life is deregulation and lowering taxes
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  Speaker 6: for corporations and rich friends. This person has a genuine
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  Speaker 6: motivation based around Christian nationalism. If you go back and
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  Speaker 6: look at the speeches he was given when he was
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  Speaker 6: running for Congress, if you look at his work as
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  Speaker 6: a lawyer before he was a public official, it is
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  Speaker 6: all around advocating for these hard right, socially conservative views.
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  Speaker 6: He advocated not just against gay marriage, but against legalizing
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  Speaker 6: gay relationships after the Supreme Court ruled in Lawrence v.
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  Speaker 6: Texas that the sodomy laws in Texas were unconstitutional. He
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  Speaker 6: wrote several pieces where he excoriated the Supreme Court, said
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  Speaker 6: that there was no right to basically against a right
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  Speaker 6: to privacy, and explicitly saying that states should have the
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  Speaker 6: right to discriminate against same-sex relationships versus heterosexual relationships that
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  Speaker 6: there is that he explicitly believes that a state can
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  Speaker 6: outlaw gay relationships because there is an inherent good in
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  Speaker 6: heterosexual relationships that doesn't exist for gay people that was
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  Speaker 6: his view for many many years and he can play
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  Speaker 6: games here and say oh I've I don't even remember
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  Speaker 6: half of the things I've advocated for, but I don't
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  Speaker 6: really take him at his word.
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  Speaker 4: I do think this brings into sharp relief what a
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  Speaker 4: Republican trifecta in 2025 would look like. You have Mike
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  Speaker 4: Johnson with these incredibly retrograde views on reproductive freedom, sexual relationships,
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  Speaker 4: same-sex marriage. You have Mitch McConnell, who has advocated for
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  Speaker 4: a federal abortion ban. who in the early part of
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  Speaker 4: the century was one of the leaders in demonizing gay
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  Speaker 4: people in order to win the 2004 election with a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of trumped-up bullshit about same-sex marriage. And then you
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  Speaker 4: have Donald Trump, possibly in the White House, who we
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  Speaker 4: know will go along with all of these things because
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  Speaker 4: that's what he did the last time he was in office. Like,
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  Speaker 4: you can pretend like, oh, he's this guy from Manhattan,
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  Speaker 4: but he immediately did the ban on trans people serving
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  Speaker 4: in the military. He used the, or at least allowed
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  Speaker 4: his staff to use the administrative state to to make
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  Speaker 4: access to abortion that much more difficult. And he appointed
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  Speaker 4: three Supreme Court justices who overturned Roe v.
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  Speaker 11: Wade.
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  Speaker 4: And so this is, I think, something we are going
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  Speaker 4: to have to make a huge issue in 2024 because
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  Speaker 4: it is what is on the ballot now because of
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  Speaker 4: Mike Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: So love it.
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  Speaker 5: Johnson's first order of business this coming week is dealing
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  Speaker 5: with some House Republicans from New York. who will force
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  Speaker 5: a vote to expel George Santos, who's still in Congress.
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  Speaker 5: Marjorie Taylor Greene will force a vote to censure Rashida
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  Speaker 5: Tlaib for speaking outside the Capitol at a rally of
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  Speaker 5: activists calling for a ceasefire in Gaza. And Congresswoman Becca
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  Speaker 5: Balint will try to force a vote censuring Marjorie Taylor
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  Speaker 5: Greene for about 40 different actions and statements. including public
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  Speaker 5: appearances with white nationalists and comparing vaccine requirements to Nazism.
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  Speaker 5: How big of a deal are all these votes, and
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  Speaker 5: do you think they go anywhere?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they're a particularly big deal.
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  Speaker 6: Mike Johnson has already poured cold water on the Santos one,
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  Speaker 6: which is hard for him to do because he barely
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  Speaker 6: can get above the table.
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  Speaker 2: It's the era of the short king, and I'm loving it.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting, your attack on Mike Johnson is height. That's
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  Speaker 1: where you're going. How tall is he?
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  Speaker 6: Actually, I could not find anywhere, because he's so unknown,
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  Speaker 6: we don't yet have publicly available height information, but he
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  Speaker 6: has short king energy.
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  Speaker 2: Like McHenry.
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  Speaker 6: As does McHenry. So that's exciting. There's a Napoleon movie
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  Speaker 6: coming out. Being short is happening. It's very right now.
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  Speaker 6: So I don't think the Santos thing is going anywhere,
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  Speaker 6: especially because you need two-thirds of the House to expel,
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  Speaker 6: so I don't see that happening.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, stranger things have happened.
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  Speaker 6: These other resolutions, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene's resolution, I think,
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  Speaker 6: goes after Tlaib for things that actually there would be
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  Speaker 6: a majority in the House to vote against, but then
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  Speaker 6: goes way too far and calls her an insurrectionist for
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  Speaker 6: participating in this peaceful event. So like, you know, there,
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  Speaker 6: I think that there is actually, she's, Tlaib has received
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  Speaker 6: a lot of criticism from Democrats and Republicans for some
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  Speaker 6: of her statements around what is happening in Israel and Gaza.
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  Speaker 6: But this goes well beyond anything related to that. And
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  Speaker 6: then this tit for tat thing with the Marjorie Taylor
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  Speaker 6: green resolution. I don't, I can't imagine Republicans going along
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  Speaker 6: with that, but, pass, don't pass, it doesn't matter, really
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  Speaker 6: is a sideshow to what is ultimately facing Mike Johnson
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  Speaker 6: as speaker, which is the same dynamic that felled Kevin McCarthy,
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  Speaker 6: which is if a bill to keep the government open
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  Speaker 6: is gonna pass, it's gonna have to be bipartisan by definition,
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  Speaker 6: and these people find that anathema to their whole vibe.
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  Speaker 5: I sort of feel like the whole censure thing has
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  Speaker 5: gotten a little cheapened once they did it to Adam
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  Speaker 5: Schiff for basically no reason.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's like, you're censured. No, you're censured.
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  Speaker 6: Well, the other thing too is the tit-for-tat censure thing.
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  Speaker 6: I think that there are people, there are even Republicans
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  Speaker 6: that don't particularly like Marjorie Taylor Greene, but they're not
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  Speaker 6: going to vote to censure Marjorie Taylor Greene to get
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  Speaker 6: back at the Republicans for the Tlaib thing. It's like, hey,
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  Speaker 6: can we all just chill the fuck out? Can you
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  Speaker 6: just keep the government open? Once you've kept the government open,
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  Speaker 6: you can have a fun day where you just fucking
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  Speaker 6: go ham on each other.
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  Speaker 12: It'll be interesting to see how many Republicans vote to
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  Speaker 12: expel Santos. I think the swing district Republicans don't want
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  Speaker 12: to defend Santos because who does? He seems like he's
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  Speaker 12: violated 97 laws. So I think there will be a 10,
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  Speaker 12: some Republicans will vote for that. And there is a
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  Speaker 12: divide on the Democratic side about what's happening in Gaza.
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  Speaker 12: And I wonder if the number is higher than zero
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  Speaker 12: of people who will be, there's a congressman in New Jersey,
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  Speaker 12: for example, who I think might be open to censoring Tlaib.
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  Speaker 12: So I think the number is probably low, but I
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  Speaker 12: think it'll be interesting to watch in terms of the
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  Speaker 12: divides in these two parties.
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  Speaker 6: I do think though, like for both of these, Johnson
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  Speaker 6: gives Republicans the talking point, which is we should just
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  Speaker 6: let the due process play out and people can hide
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  Speaker 6: behind that. And then on the Marjorie Taylor Greene point,
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  Speaker 6: you can just say something along the lines of, look,
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  Speaker 6: I have strong disagreements, but the idea of calling this
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  Speaker 6: anything like the insurrection on January 6th, like both sides
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  Speaker 6: have given the other side just an easy out.
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  Speaker 1: To get away from this thing.
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  Speaker 5: If you're a Democrat, you can criticize Rashida Tlaib and
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  Speaker 5: not vote for censure. Voting for censure is such a fucking,
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  Speaker 5: that's a, that's a move. Uh, and I think on
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  Speaker 5: the Santos is interesting because I think Santos, I don't
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  Speaker 5: think he'll get two thirds, but he'll get him.
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  Speaker 1: I think he'll get a majority cause he'll get all
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  Speaker 1: the Democrats.
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  Speaker 4: And like you said, he'll get every Republican in New York,
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  Speaker 4: all the New York Republicans. They, I mean, it was
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  Speaker 4: New York Republicans who introduced it.
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  Speaker 1: They're leading. Yeah. Yeah. Which is interesting.
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  Speaker 5: Dan, more importantly, government runs out of money in a
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  Speaker 5: few weeks. We've now heard from Mike Johnson and some
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  Speaker 5: House Republicans on the issue. How likely do you think
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  Speaker 5: it is we're headed for a shutdown? If not November 17th,
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  Speaker 5: I think that's when the government runs out of money,
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  Speaker 5: like in another month or so.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a question of when, not if. I
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  Speaker 4: think there is a chance that.
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  Speaker 1: No one likes a shutdown.
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  Speaker 4: You want me to just come up here and say
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  Speaker 4: Mike Johnson's going to solve the problem?
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  Speaker 6: Well, once you get him a phone book to sit on.
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  Speaker 6: I'm five foot six and a half.
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  Speaker 4: I think there is a chance that Mike Johnson could
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  Speaker 4: delay this into next year. Republicans are tired. Everyone's exhausted.
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  Speaker 4: He did propose in his nomination speech before he became
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  Speaker 4: the Speaker nominee that he was advocating for a short-term
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  Speaker 4: extension so the Republicans could pass appropriations bills so that
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  Speaker 4: they theoretically have some negotiating position in a negotiation with
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  Speaker 4: the White House and the Senate. They actually passed a
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  Speaker 4: couple of those bills in the immediate aftermath of Johnson winning.
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  Speaker 4: So I think there's a chance that maybe we get
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  Speaker 4: through the holidays and then we have this confrontation next year.
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  Speaker 4: But at some point, It's going to come to a
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  Speaker 4: head because Mike Johnson cannot stay speaker and extend, keep
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  Speaker 4: the government open at current levels or at the levels
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  Speaker 4: the Senate Democrats and Republicans want and keep staying in
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  Speaker 4: his job. So at some point, there's going to have
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  Speaker 4: to be a fight over this. There's going to have
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  Speaker 4: to be a shutdown.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and all these Republicans, some of the ones that
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  Speaker 5: ousted McCarthy in the first place and some other Freedom
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  Speaker 5: Caucus types, they want these massive cuts. They don't like
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  Speaker 5: the bipartisan budget deal that McCarthy struck with Biden, which
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  Speaker 5: already offered some cuts. So they're already annoyed about that.
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  Speaker 5: So they're going to ask for more. And like, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know, I don't know how Johnson gets a bill
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  Speaker 5: through the house, even if he wanted to, that doesn't
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  Speaker 5: have a bunch of cuts that then the Senate and
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  Speaker 5: the white house immediately reject.
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  Speaker 4: I guess the question is whether there's any appetite, even
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: among someone like Matt Gates to go through the whole
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: motion to vacate process again.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:36
  Speaker 13: Well, that's, they might change the threshold too, to make
• 18:39
  Speaker 13: it harder.
• 18:39
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: So, and then also there's the, they can, kick this
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: can down the road. One thing Mike Johnson is promising
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: is that they'll go to, rather than sort of these
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: omnibus bills, but they'll go to kind of whatever department
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: by department budgeting, like the kind of, the thing that
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: sort of the Republicans in the House claim they want,
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: that actually Republicans and Democrats have been doing together in
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: the Senate, despite what's been happening in the House. But
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: even then, you lead to sort of, even if that
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: were to take place, it's sort of the promise of
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: mini shutdowns or sort of smaller versions of this fight
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: over and over again.
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: Another thing he's going to have to contend with, Tommy,
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: the president wants the speaker to pass $ 100 billion aid package,
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: most of it for Ukraine, but also for Taiwan, Israel,
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: and some humanitarian aid for the Palestinians. What have you
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: taken from Johnson's comments on those issues?
• 19:22
  Speaker 13: So the Hannity interview was interesting in sort of a
• 19:25
  Speaker 13: departure from where he's been before. He told Hannity that
• 19:29
  Speaker 13: he basically has written a $ 14. 5 billion bill that would
• 19:33
  Speaker 13: be basically military aid for Israel. And it sounds like
• 19:36
  Speaker 13: that's ready to go. They'll pass that. They'll send it
• 19:38
  Speaker 13: over to the Senate side. I don't know what the
• 19:40
  Speaker 13: Senate folks will do about it. I don't know if
• 19:42
  Speaker 13: they're not going to want to divide the Ukraine support
• 19:45
  Speaker 13: and the Israel support necessarily yet, but that'll get.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Passed and that'll happen.
• 19:48
  Speaker 13: The Biden request for aid for the Palestinians is much, much,
• 19:52
  Speaker 13: much less money. It's $ 100 million as opposed to tens
• 19:56
  Speaker 13: of billions of dollars. Unfortunately, he and Hannity in that
• 19:59
  Speaker 13: conversation immediately started demagoguing that money, suggesting that it would
• 20:02
  Speaker 13: go terrorists and not to people who are, you know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 13: in week three of getting shelled relentlessly and like sort
• 20:10
  Speaker 13: of living in a nightmare scenario.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: So I have less hope there.
• 20:14
  Speaker 13: On the Ukraine funding in the past, Johnson has voted
• 20:17
  Speaker 13: against support for Ukraine. In this interview, he said, you know,
• 20:21
  Speaker 13: we're not going to leave the Ukrainians hanging.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: We can't let Putin prevail.
• 20:27
  Speaker 13: So it sounds like he's willing to allow a vote
• 20:29
  Speaker 13: on a standalone Ukraine bill.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Will it be the amount that Biden wants? We don't know.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Could his caucus sort of upend it somehow? I guess probably.
• 20:37
  Speaker 13: But, you know, he the things he was saying were
• 20:39
  Speaker 13: better than where he's been in the past. And then
• 20:41
  Speaker 13: in terms of Taiwan, that's a little harder to like divine.
• 20:45
  Speaker 13: I mean, I think the one thing that unites Democrats
• 20:47
  Speaker 13: and Republicans in Washington right now is fear mongering about China.
• 20:52
  Speaker 13: And especially for the sort of like far right evangelical Christians,
• 20:55
  Speaker 13: they're particularly worried about like the godless communists taking over
• 20:59
  Speaker 13: the world. So I suspect that he will be in favor.
• 21:02
  Speaker 13: Those are their words, not mine. I suspect he'll be
• 21:04
  Speaker 13: in favor of support for Taiwan to help them kind
• 21:07
  Speaker 13: of harden. It's just like porcupine strategy thing, sort of
• 21:11
  Speaker 13: get all the weapons and things they need into Taiwan
• 21:14
  Speaker 13: before a Chinese invasion that everyone thinks is going to
• 21:17
  Speaker 13: happen at some point.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: So I bet he will get.
• 21:19
  Speaker 13: There on the China support, but it also remains to
• 21:23
  Speaker 13: be seen.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: Trump gave a speech today where he said that across
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: our southern border with Mexico, there are young, strong Chinese
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: men coming over the border. Buff.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Shredded Chinese men.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Very strong, very young, very buff, very virulent. Coming over
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the border. I'm like, what? Love it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Can you confirm?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: Every once in a while, a Republican will just kind
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: of look. Remember when that guy Steve King was like,
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: they're coming across the border with calves the size of cantaloupes.
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: It's like they can't help but paint a vivid picture
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: of these just sort of rippling muscles swimming over the
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: Rio Grande to get into the country. And Trump did
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: produce Broadway musicals, or at least he wanted to. So
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: something to think about.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: Last question on Mike Johnson for everyone. Perry, do you
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: think Democrats should make Mike Johnson famous? Like, should he
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: be a central figure in the 2024 campaign?
• 22:27
  Speaker 12: You know, I was thinking about this this morning and
• 22:29
  Speaker 12: because you all asked me about this and I, it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 12: hard to raise the profile of the speaker on some level.
• 22:35
  Speaker 12: Like Pelosi was famous in part because she was a
• 22:37
  Speaker 12: woman from San Francisco. I don't think that John Boehner
• 22:40
  Speaker 12: was well known by the average voter, but I think
• 22:42
  Speaker 12: I'm more convinced by what Dan said, which is like,
• 22:45
  Speaker 12: you now have Johnson does fit the kind of MAGA, ultra-MAGA,
• 22:50
  Speaker 12: ultra-ultra-MAGA thing in a way that McCarthy really did. McCarthy
• 22:55
  Speaker 12: at least seemed moderate in his persona on some level
• 22:58
  Speaker 12: versus Johnson has said every conservative thing possible on every issue,
• 23:03
  Speaker 12: including on the sort of cultural anti-gay. So I think
• 23:07
  Speaker 12: in that way, it would make sense to sort of not,
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: maybe not necessarily talk about Mike Johnson, but talk about
• 23:13
  Speaker 12: the idea that the Republican Party is going to be
• 23:17
  Speaker 12: very radical if it wins the House, wins the presidency,
• 23:21
  Speaker 12: and it sort of makes it easier to Trumpify and
• 23:24
  Speaker 12: to describe the Republican Party in sort of a universal way.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Just think about this. The most powerful elected Republican in
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: the country wants to ban abortion, ban gay marriage, ban
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: gay sex, does not believe in evolution. All across the board,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: that is a very... People won't fully get that.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: He believes in evolution.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: He just thinks it happened in six days. And again, again,
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: dinos on the ark.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Plus all the food they'd have to eat.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: And where do they poop?
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Well, here's something I've never quite understood.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: What kind of dinosaurs were they?
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: What?
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Were they the little ones? The compies?
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: So, having looked at the actual exhibit.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Were there raptors on the ark?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: They have a whole.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: There's a whole... Listen, there's a whole, like... You know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: what was it called? When they wanted the Earth to
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: be the center of the universe, they had the kind of...
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: They had the different circles to... They keep complicated circles
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: to explain the more complicated circles because it didn't work.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: And so they have a complicated philosophy around not different Tyrannosaurids.
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: There were dinosaur families that were on the ark as
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: represented by certain kinds of dinosaurs. Here's what I've never understood.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: I don't care what's on that ark. When they get
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: off the ark, did a tiger not want to eat
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: one chicken? Because if that tiger ate one chicken.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: No chicken.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Dunzo. Dunzo.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: Like, what did they eat for the first couple weeks?
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: What did the predators eat when they got off the
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: ark for the first couple weeks?
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Or years? It takes years to make new prey.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Also, what happened?
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: What ultimately happened to the dinosaurs in this scenario? Was
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: it a double-decker ark?
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I would just say there's the Lido deck, the Fiesta deck.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: Anyway, I would just run the Mike Johnson Noah's Ark stuff.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: That would be my thing. I like it. Bring people
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: in with that, then talk about all those positions. All right.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: When we come back, I'll talk to Kentucky State Senator
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Karen Burke. Please welcome the Democrat who represents the 26th
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: district here in Louisville, State Senator Karen Berg.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Hi there. Hello, hello. Hi there. Thank you for being
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: with us tonight. We are honored to have you on
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: Well, thank you very much for inviting me. I really
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: appreciate it.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: So you first won this seat back in 2020 when
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: the district at the time was much more conservative. You
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: are now just one of seven Democrats in the state Senate?
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: I think we're down to six.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Are you down to six? Okay, six.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: Do you have any advice for all the progressives in
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: the red states who are always asking us how they
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: can elect Democrats like you and turn their states a
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: little bluer.
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: Okay, yeah, I have a lot of advice in that regard.
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: First of all, vote. Vote like it freaking matters. Because, guys,
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: it actually does. It actually matters whether or not you vote.
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: And here in the state of Kentucky, we have a real...
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: a serious problem with turnout. If we get 32% of
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: the electorate to get out and vote, we think we
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: have done a good job with turnout. And that is
• 27:20
  Speaker 9: really the problem because people on the right, I promise
• 27:26
  Speaker 9: you guys, they are voting. They are voting like their
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: life depends on it because they think it does. And
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: then the rest of us who would prefer to go
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: around and not have to deal with this stuff. You know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 9: just go through your day-to-day life and let's be normal
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: people and let's not have to worry about politics. And
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: then they don't vote. And then all of a sudden
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: you look up and we have really bad people elected
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: in this country.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Vote.
• 28:05
  Speaker 14: Vote.
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: And the other thing I can tell you guys, run
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: for office. I know that sounds like such pie in
• 28:16
  Speaker 9: the sky, but it actually isn't. What John Yarmuth told
• 28:20
  Speaker 9: me years ago is, first of all, the closer to
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: home your seat is, the more impact you will have
• 28:28
  Speaker 9: on the people around you, which means running for school board,
• 28:32
  Speaker 9: running for Metro government, running for your local mayor, running
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: for elections close to home, and then running like I did.
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: Just put your name on the ballot, guys. Get out there,
• 28:49
  Speaker 9: shake hands, tell people that you care, ask them to
• 28:53
  Speaker 9: vote for you, and they will. And that is the truth.
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: So vote and run. Those are the things that I
• 29:01
  Speaker 9: have to say.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Good advice.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: You have been outspoken about losing your son, Henry. He
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: was a transgender rights advocate who tragically passed away by
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: suicide last December at the age of 24. I read
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: that he was the person who inspired you to run.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: What was he like?
• 29:27
  Speaker 9: Oh, wow. What was Henry like? Henry was a handful. No,
• 29:30
  Speaker 9: Henry had a heart. He had too much of a heart.
• 29:37
  Speaker 9: He was one of these people that if he saw
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: somebody in a room who looked like they didn't feel comfortable,
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: he would immediately go up and he would immediately introduce
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: them to people and sit with them and ask them
• 29:51
  Speaker 9: who you are, what do you care about, because he
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: could tell so intuitively when somebody didn't feel like they
• 30:01
  Speaker 9: fit into the space they were in. And that's because
• 30:05
  Speaker 9: for so long in his life, he had felt that way.
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: And he didn't want other people to go through that.
• 30:14
  Speaker 9: My son was big-hearted. Big-hearted, soft-hearted. He cared about this world.
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: And he cared about making this a better place.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: So Henry came out in 2012 at the age of 14?
• 30:39
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: How did the other kids and teachers react, and how
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: did you and Henry handle that experience?
• 30:46
  Speaker 9: Guys, this is a long, long, long story. And it
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: depends on the day. It depends on the person. It
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: depends on the situation. For the most part, when my
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: child came out at the age of 14, he was
• 31:00
  Speaker 9: the first kid in his school who had ever come
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: out as transgender. The school had never had a child
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: in that position before. And honestly, we had, at the time,
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: very few, if any, children in his class who were
• 31:19
  Speaker 9: willing to be openly gay either. So he came out
• 31:27
  Speaker 9: to his classmates, to his teachers a couple weeks later,
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: to me and my husband. Henry honestly thought that he
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: had gone to the same school from kindergarten through 12th grade.
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: This was the beginning of ninth grade. And he honestly
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: thought that once he told his classmates and his teachers
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: who he really was, that things would sort of just
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: magically fit into place and people would understand sort of
• 32:07
  Speaker 9: why it was that he had never really fit in
• 32:11
  Speaker 9: in the first place, and that's not what happened. Unfortunately,
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: Henry's first suicide attempt was December of that year. He
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: came out in September. December of that year, and what
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: he told my husband and I at the time is
• 32:30
  Speaker 9: that he thought when he came out that things would
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: fit into place, and instead it just made it that
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: much worse, that he could no longer hang with the girls,
• 32:42
  Speaker 9: that the boys wouldn't have anything to do with him.
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: He had nobody to sit with, nobody to talk to.
• 32:51
  Speaker 9: And he was very, very lonely.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: Some of your Republican colleagues have said kind words about Henry,
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: have said they've learned from you. but they keep voting
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: for these anti-trans bills, and it seems like their minds
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: aren't changing. But I imagine that there are parents out
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: there who maybe don't know any trans people, and they
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: hear these Republicans saying that all they're doing is trying
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: to protect kids, and maybe they aren't sure what to believe.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: What would you say to those parents?
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: It's a long story. And it's not.
• 33:34
  Speaker 9: Actually a very pretty story. It's a story about politics. And,
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: you know, I mean, I may be a politician at
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: this point, but I never considered myself a politician. I'm
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: a doctor by training and a mother and, you know,
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: that's how I identify. But really what happened with this
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: trans youth movement was that the right and certain organizations
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: on the right, like groups like the Alliance Defending Freedom,
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: which if you all don't know about the Alliance Defending Freedom,
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: I think the New Yorker just did an article on
• 34:19
  Speaker 9: him last week.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: Mike Johnson worked for them.
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Mike Johnson is them. That is who we have
• 34:26
  Speaker 9: now elected as Speaker of the House. He comes from
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: a right... Christian nationalist ideology that really believes, believes that
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: homosexuality is ungodly and is a sin. But since they
• 34:50
  Speaker 9: were losing politically on gay marriage and homosexuality, and they
• 34:56
  Speaker 9: were losing politically on abortion and a woman's right to choose,
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: But what they found out about five, six years ago
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: was that this issue about trans athletes polled well. It
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: was polling at 70%, 70%. And so they went with
• 35:19
  Speaker 9: it because they thought this was their winning political issue.
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: Never mind that they were attacking children. Never mind that
• 35:31
  Speaker 9: they were taking rights away from parents to decide their
• 35:37
  Speaker 9: own child's healthcare. Never mind that they are literally invading
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: the most personal of spaces that belong between a patient
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: and their family and their physicians. They didn't care what
• 35:54
  Speaker 9: they were doing because if this polled well, this was
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: going to be their message. And so we got, I mean, literally,
• 36:02
  Speaker 9: they hooked up with physicians who left standardized medicine back
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: in 2002. 2002, when the American Academy of Pediatrics decided
• 36:19
  Speaker 9: that it was okay for a gay couple to raise
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: a child, these physicians broke off because they felt that
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: the homosexual lifestyle was a moral basis that they could not,
• 36:36
  Speaker 9: under any circumstances, accept. It's a basic ethical morality. So
• 36:43
  Speaker 9: they broke off. There's about 400 or 500 of them.
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: They have gone around, funded by the Alliance Defending Freedom,
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: literally to now like 30 state houses in this country.
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: It is quack medicine. It is being supported by Christian
• 37:01
  Speaker 9: nationalists who do not, guys, believe in democracy the way
• 37:07
  Speaker 9: we know it. I mean, I point blank asked a
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: House representative who sponsored House Bill 470 this last session.
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: House Bill 470, in its face, would have any health
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: care provider who offered any sort of Affirmation to a
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: trans child, mental health, physical health, any healthcare provider whatsoever,
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: automatic revocature of your license, automatic and permanent revocature of
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: your license for just being reported that you acknowledged a
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: trans child existed, existed. And I went to her and
• 37:55
  Speaker 9: I said, you know, do you believe, do you believe this?
• 38:04
  Speaker 9: Do you actually believe in separation of church and state?
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: And her answer to me was, under the appropriate circumstances.
• 38:21
  Speaker 9: Under the appropriate circumstances. And then she tells me that
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: We don't like these people that testified because they're Christian.
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: And I'm like, honey, 97% of the people in this
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: country are Christian. Being Christian is not an ideology that
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: says that you have the right to pass laws to
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: make normal healthcare delivery illegal. because the base that you're
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: playing to likes this.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, when you hear them say that it's about
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: parents' rights, but I know that you introduced an amendment
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: to a bill that was in the legislature where they,
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: you know, if a child wanted to be called by
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: certain pronouns, they said the teacher, the bill would say
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: the teacher doesn't have to call them by those pronouns
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: and you added an amendment i believe that said well
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: they do if the parents say that they.
• 39:38
  Speaker 9: With a note from a health care provider that this
• 39:41
  Speaker 9: was important to the child.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: And they wouldn't vote they wouldn't.
• 39:44
  Speaker 9: Do that no actually guys there are good studies good
• 39:49
  Speaker 9: data that shows if a trans child is affirmed in
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: one setting, either at home, at school, at church, one setting,
• 40:05
  Speaker 9: it can actually decrease their lifetime risk of suicide by
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: up to 70%. And what's interesting about this data is
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: that it has to be It has to be school.
• 40:24
  Speaker 9: It has to be work. It has to be church.
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: Having your friends affirm you doesn't offer the same immunity
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: from suicidality as having somebody, these children want to belong.
• 40:40
  Speaker 9: These children want to fit in. So SB 150, which
• 40:45
  Speaker 9: was this bill that Max Wise brought forward, that basically
• 40:50
  Speaker 9: said teachers don't have to use a child's preferred pronouns.
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: What that does is go to the absolute heart of
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: that child's identity and that child's struggle to belong and
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: to fit in. It is, in my opinion, simply the
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: cruelest cruelest thing that you could do, much less make
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: it legal to do.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and your point that Henry and transgender kids everywhere
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: just want to belong, I think is so powerful because
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: the right is trying to let people think that if
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: there is this culture that allows kids to identify as
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: transgender and be protected and stuff like that, then kids
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: are just going to choose this.
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: Kelly Craft went on our airwaves and said twice, I
• 41:53
  Speaker 9: will eliminate transgender from the classroom. Like, what does she mean?
• 42:02
  Speaker 9: You're going to take these children. First of all, being transgender, guys,
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: is not contagious. I promise you, it is not contagious. nor,
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: for the most part, is it something that's a phase. Yes,
• 42:15
  Speaker 9: there are tomboys. Yes, there are girly boys. Sometimes you
• 42:23
  Speaker 9: grow out of it. Sometimes you don't. But these are
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: not the children that are coming to their parents and saying,
• 42:32
  Speaker 9: I feel inside like my gender is this. It's a
• 42:38
  Speaker 9: whole different world. It's a very, very small percentage of
• 42:45
  Speaker 9: the population. It is not growing. People think that because
• 42:50
  Speaker 9: we're allowing these children to express themselves, that somehow we're
• 42:54
  Speaker 9: promoting this. We are not promoting this. The reason that
• 42:59
  Speaker 9: you see and you hear more now about transgender children
• 43:03
  Speaker 9: than you did 10 years ago 15 years ago, the
• 43:07
  Speaker 9: best analogy I can give you is the same thing
• 43:10
  Speaker 9: that happened in the early 50s when we quit requiring
• 43:15
  Speaker 9: children to use their right hands. The number of left-handed
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: students increased exponentially and then leveled out. And it's not
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: that we were promoting them, not that we were... It's
• 43:33
  Speaker 9: that they were already there. They already existed, guys. And
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: we were letting them exist.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: My last question, Senator Byrd, you've had an unimaginably hard year.
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: You serve in an extremely right-wing legislature, but you are
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: still here and fighting as hard as you can every
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: single day.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: What keeps you going?
• 44:08
  Speaker 9: Honestly, what keeps me going, and this is the truth,
• 44:12
  Speaker 9: I believe in the goodness of people. I do.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm very glad that you're here and still fighting.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: So thank you, and thank you for joining us.
• 44:27
  Speaker 9: Thank you, sir.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: State Senator Karen Burke. Thank you.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I still think the left hand is the devil's hand.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Lefty.
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and it should have been trained. And by the way,
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: you should have been forced to use your right hand.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Outrageous. All right, back to the news.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: So before we get to the 2024 campaign, you guys
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: have a big election here in Kentucky on November 7th.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: Just one week from Tuesday. Your governor, Democrat Andy Beshear, is.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: At least in the polls we've seen.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: Polling ahead of his Republican challenger, Attorney General David Cameron.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: It's a race where a lot of the ads and
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: a lot of the debates have focused on the issue
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: of abortion. Cameron has long supported the state's current ban,
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: which makes no exceptions for rape or incest, though he
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: now says if the Republican legislature sent him a bill
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: adding those exceptions, he'd sign it. Beshear has vetoed abortion
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: bans as governor. Harry, there aren't too many Democratic governors
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: left in solidly red states like Kentucky.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: What is Andy Beshear's secret?
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: And why do you think Cameron has been trailing him
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: in the polls?
• 46:01
  Speaker 12: So I'll start, because I used to work at FiveThirtyEight,
• 46:03
  Speaker 12: the data website, with a very sort of structural analysis,
• 46:07
  Speaker 12: which is that the last four presidents have mostly been unpopular.
• 46:11
  Speaker 12: Like Bush is very unpopular most of the time. Obama
• 46:14
  Speaker 12: had some moments of popularity, but up and down. Trump,
• 46:17
  Speaker 12: very unpopular. Biden, pretty unpopular, unfortunately. But governors, for whatever reason,
• 46:22
  Speaker 12: people like their governor. The average governor's approval rating is 57%.
• 46:28
  Speaker 12: So Andy Beshear is at 62 or 63, so he's
• 46:31
  Speaker 12: doing better than average. And that's good for him. But
• 46:35
  Speaker 12: I think people like their governor, and I've been trying
• 46:37
  Speaker 12: to sort of figure out exactly why, because some of
• 46:40
  Speaker 12: the governor's Suck, to be totally honest. And the second
• 46:45
  Speaker 12: point is like, Beshear is a great last name to
• 46:48
  Speaker 12: have here in Kentucky. His father was a two-term governor,
• 46:51
  Speaker 12: a very effective two-term governor, you know, famously sort of
• 46:54
  Speaker 12: expanded Medicaid and was invited to the State of the
• 46:57
  Speaker 12: Union address when Obama was president. So those are the
• 46:59
  Speaker 12: two factors that have nothing to do with kind of
• 47:01
  Speaker 12: Andy Beshear, who his dad was and kind of that
• 47:04
  Speaker 12: he's an incumbent governor. But there are two things he's
• 47:06
  Speaker 12: doing right. And the first is he's good at the
• 47:09
  Speaker 12: kind of I feel your pain kind of dynamic.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: He's very empathetic.
• 47:14
  Speaker 12: Like if you watched his press conferences during the pandemic,
• 47:17
  Speaker 12: and I know people here probably did, he was just
• 47:19
  Speaker 12: great at seeming genuine and like he cared, like he
• 47:23
  Speaker 12: wasn't like every other politician when there's been flooding or
• 47:26
  Speaker 12: tornadoes or other things that have happened, a mass shooting here.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: He's always there. He connects.
• 47:31
  Speaker 12: If you talk to him, either he's very good at
• 47:34
  Speaker 12: faking sincerity or he's very sincere. I hope the second.
• 47:37
  Speaker 12: But he comes off well. And Daniel Cameron does not
• 47:40
  Speaker 12: come off that way, I don't think. So there's a
• 47:42
  Speaker 12: sincerity factor that matters. And the other thing I would
• 47:44
  Speaker 12: say about Bashir is, as somebody who's pretty progressive, I'll
• 47:48
  Speaker 12: vote for Joe Biden. There's been some great days with
• 47:50
  Speaker 12: Joe Biden as president. There are some days that I've
• 47:53
  Speaker 12: not been as thrilled, let's put it politely. With Andy Beshear,
• 47:57
  Speaker 12: he rarely does things that I disagree with. I'm guessing
• 48:01
  Speaker 12: that's probably not going to help his campaign that I'm
• 48:03
  Speaker 12: saying it that way.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: We'll keep it quiet.
• 48:06
  Speaker 12: That said, Kentucky's a conservative state, but he vetoes abortion laws.
• 48:11
  Speaker 12: He vetoes terrible anti-trans laws. He doesn't do a lot
• 48:14
  Speaker 12: of punching the left to show how moderate he is.
• 48:19
  Speaker 12: People call me about Andy Beshear. I have to tell
• 48:21
  Speaker 12: them this is not a Joe Manchin type. This is
• 48:23
  Speaker 12: a person who believes in the right values and does
• 48:26
  Speaker 12: the right things and has been a governor, I'll be
• 48:28
  Speaker 12: very excited to vote for.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: That's great. That's good to know. So Dan, abortion has
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: been central to this race.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: We'll be in Ohio tomorrow where abortion rights will literally
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: be on the ballot. Do you think the results from
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: these 2023 elections can tell us anything about how big
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: of an issue abortion will be in 2024? Or is
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: it just, is it hard to draw conclusions from non-presidential elections?
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: I think it's hard to draw conclusions from not presidential elections. Like,
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: for example, we're talking about Ohio. In 2022, the turnout
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: in Ohio was 4.2 million. In 2020, it was almost
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: 6 million. And so like that, there's a huge gap.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: There's a huge difference between midterm elections and general elections.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: Here in Kentucky, turnout was about 20% higher in 2020
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: than it was in 2019, wouldn't be sheer one. But
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: I think that there, it tells us a couple things
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: that are informative, if not instructive. The first is how
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: salient abortion remains more than a year after Roe. Like
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: it makes sense that abortion was top of mind in
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: November of 2022, only five months after the Supreme Court
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: overturned Roe. It was interesting that it did so well
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: that abortion was so powerful in the first Ohio special
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: election a few months ago. Will it remain that way?
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: Really interesting. But I do think there is a powerful,
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: powerful symbolism if Andy Beshear wins, because here you have
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: the governor of Kentucky, one of the most Republican states
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: by presidential choice in the country, the states that Donald
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: Trump wins by more than anywhere else, running on abortion,
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: his first ad about abortion, vetoing anti-abortion bills. in debates,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: fighting aggressively against abortion bans. I think that should send
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: a powerful symbol to every Democrat all across the country
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: that abortion is not a blue state issue. It's not
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: a purple state issue. It's an issue that Democrats can
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: run on everywhere in the country. We just underscore.
• 50:28
  Speaker 12: In Kentucky, I'll be honest with you, when Bashir's staff
• 50:31
  Speaker 12: came out with their abortion ads, I called one of
• 50:32
  Speaker 12: his aides and was like, you realize this is Kentucky, right?
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: What are you thinking?
• 50:37
  Speaker 12: And they said, basically, the dog has caught the car,
• 50:40
  Speaker 12: so to speak. The Republicans tried to ban every abortion
• 50:42
  Speaker 12: of all time. Everybody, they've done this for a long time.
• 50:45
  Speaker 12: Now they have an abortion ban. And even in Kentucky,
• 50:48
  Speaker 12: the average person does not want no abortion ban in
• 50:53
  Speaker 12: all circumstances. It's been striking to see here how much
• 50:57
  Speaker 12: Bashir has talked about abortion in this campaign and how
• 51:01
  Speaker 12: Cameron is.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Nervous about this issue.
• 51:03
  Speaker 12: He sort of backtracked into this whole, I'll support some exceptions.
• 51:07
  Speaker 12: That was not his view. His staff seems very nervous
• 51:10
  Speaker 12: about it. But I think, again, this issue has changed
• 51:13
  Speaker 12: American politics fundamentally.
• 51:15
  Speaker 13: We were canvassing today with Planned Parenthood.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: And we were.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: Shout out them, not us.
• 51:21
  Speaker 13: And we were at doors and we were talking to
• 51:24
  Speaker 13: folks who looked, you know, like, let's be old, older
• 51:27
  Speaker 13: white people who are saying, I've never, because the folks
• 51:31
  Speaker 13: we were canvassing with from Planned Parenthood were great. They
• 51:34
  Speaker 13: were like going all the way down the ticket. And
• 51:36
  Speaker 13: there were two different people said, you know, I've never
• 51:40
  Speaker 13: pulled like straight ticket Democrat before, but this year I
• 51:42
  Speaker 13: have to.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: And it was clearly because of abortion.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: And a couple of people we talked to like knew
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: that Cameron is pretty extreme on abortion. Like that was
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: something that had already registered with them.
• 51:55
  Speaker 13: And I want to ask, this just came to me,
• 51:57
  Speaker 13: so no bad ideas in a brainstorm, but Dan Perry.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Louisville played Duke today.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: They won.
• 52:05
  Speaker 13: The Duke fans are known as Cameron Crazies.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Cameron Crazies. Is there a thing there? Is that something?
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: Could be.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: People don't like Duke here.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: Yes, that is.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: So can we tie him to Duke?
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: Love it.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Your thoughts?
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: This is working.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: I just want you guys to know that, so I
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: went canvassing with Lovett, Tommy and Dan were together, and
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: we went up to a house, there was someone watching TV,
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: they didn't want to come to the door, Lovett kept knocking,
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: this guy came to the door, he seemed pretty Republican.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: And he told us, he's like, I know who I'm
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: voting for, but that's all I'm going to say. And
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: then Lovett did the whole spiel about Cameron and abortion rights,
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: and he said, And he goes, okay, I'll think about it.
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: And then Lovett's like, I feel like this interaction's not
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: going well.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: What do you think? And he's like, I'll think about it.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. It was impressive. Well, it's going to happen.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: You got the lady with the labradoodle? We got a lady.
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: With a labradoodle.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Whenever the conversation went a little awkward, I just asked
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: about a hot brown.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did.
• 53:19
  Speaker 8: He did.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: And that really helped. The hot brown conversation helped. All right.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: Speaking of elections, with just over two months to go
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: until the Iowa caucuses, Joe Biden just got a last-minute
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: primary challenger.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Dean Phillips, a 54-year-old.
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: Minnesota congressman with a moderate voting record who's worth about
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: $ 50 million. Phillips says he mostly agrees with Biden, but
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: that he's running because of polls showing that most voters
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: think the president is too old to run again. He
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: launched with a short speech in New Hampshire yesterday. where
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: he's now running this ad.
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: I'm Dean Phillips, and I'm running for president of the
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: United States of America. And I'm coming to New Hampshire
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: to answer your questions. I love New Hampshire. I spent
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: my summers as a kid in the White Mountains going
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: to camp. Got to canoe the Saco River, learn how
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: to fish, learn how to shoot a gun. And it's
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: also where I learned to love my country. And that's
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: why I'm back as a candidate for president. We've got
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: some challenges, that's for sure. We're going to repair this economy,
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: and we are going to repair America. as long as
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: we do it together. I'm Dean Phillips, and I approve
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: this message.
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm from Massachusetts, but New Hampshire is where
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: I learned to love my country, too.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Same, yeah.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I couldn't learn to love it in Massachusetts. I had
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: to go north.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: Who among us didn't learn to love our country at
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: summer camp?
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Summer camp.
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: First of all, if you close your mind and picture
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: Gelato Nepo Baby, isn't that what you picture?
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: You summered here? Come on.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: It's just not a strong, it's not a strong message.
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: Well, I just think, look, there are polls that show
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: that Democrats are interested in some sort of generic alternative.
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: And he's like, well, I'm some sort of generic alternative.
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what it is. Tommy, what'd you think of
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: Dean Phillips' campaign launch? Speech, the ad, the overall message?
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: The whole vibe.
• 55:15
  Speaker 13: So he did a long interview with The Atlantic where
• 55:18
  Speaker 13: he kind of laid out his theory of the case
• 55:20
  Speaker 13: and why he decided to get in. And There were
• 55:22
  Speaker 13: some things he said in that interview that resonated with me.
• 55:25
  Speaker 13: His anxiety about Joe Biden's poll numbers. He has concerns
• 55:29
  Speaker 13: about Joe Biden's age. I feel the same way.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: I'm concerned, too.
• 55:33
  Speaker 13: And I think that like we shouldn't criticize anyone for
• 55:36
  Speaker 13: for talking out loud about their concerns about the need
• 55:41
  Speaker 13: to win this next election because it is enormously important.
• 55:43
  Speaker 13: But what I think is frustrating is. for me is
• 55:47
  Speaker 13: just the execution has been terrible because first of all,
• 55:50
  Speaker 13: he just waited way too long. You know, if you
• 55:53
  Speaker 13: wanted to run and try to primary the president, you
• 55:55
  Speaker 13: can't do it three months out. It's very, very hard
• 55:58
  Speaker 13: to primary a sitting president in any scenario. But when
• 56:02
  Speaker 13: you give yourself only three months to build a campaign,
• 56:05
  Speaker 13: raise money, get your name ID from negative that vest
• 56:10
  Speaker 13: to net, like Tori needs to be like, it's going
• 56:13
  Speaker 13: to be really hard. And it, which makes me wonder like,
• 56:15
  Speaker 13: what is your goal here, sir? Because again, in this Atlantic.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Article, very respectful of you, sir.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, he seems like a nice guy.
• 56:22
  Speaker 13: I'm not trying to be a dick to him, but
• 56:23
  Speaker 13: like in this, in this article, his campaign manager is
• 56:27
  Speaker 13: apparently a guy named Steve Schmidt. Steve Schmidt worked for
• 56:31
  Speaker 13: George Bush, John McCain joined the Lincoln project, left the
• 56:34
  Speaker 13: Lincoln project. quit politics, got back into politics. Now he's
• 56:38
  Speaker 13: doing the Dean Phillips thing. And he said one of
• 56:41
  Speaker 13: his strategic imperatives or whatever is to hire content creators
• 56:47
  Speaker 13: in six different time zones so they can have the
• 56:51
  Speaker 13: Biden campaign reacting at all times and on edge. And
• 56:54
  Speaker 13: it's like, okay, so you've set up a campaign infrastructure
• 56:57
  Speaker 13: where you got in too late to get on the
• 56:59
  Speaker 13: ballot in Nevada, but Your plan is to fuck with
• 57:03
  Speaker 13: Joe Biden's news cycle every single day for the next
• 57:07
  Speaker 13: three months or so.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: That seems like.
• 57:10
  Speaker 13: A setup where there's no chance you're going to win,
• 57:13
  Speaker 13: but there is a great chance that you could make
• 57:15
  Speaker 13: it harder for Biden to tell a story about himself
• 57:18
  Speaker 13: and what he's done and for the Democratic Party to,
• 57:22
  Speaker 13: you know, hit back on Donald Trump when it's very
• 57:24
  Speaker 13: clear he's about to be the nominee. And so like, listen,
• 57:28
  Speaker 13: maybe Dean Phillips will catch fire.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: What do I know?
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 57:31
  Speaker 13: I don't think that the progressive primary electorate is hungering
• 57:35
  Speaker 13: for an extremely rich nepo baby, as Lovett said, who's
• 57:40
  Speaker 13: extremely moderate.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: But maybe they are.
• 57:43
  Speaker 13: But I think more likely than anything, it's just sort of,
• 57:47
  Speaker 13: he's kind of like a milquetoast guy who's going to
• 57:49
  Speaker 13: maybe cause some problems in New Hampshire, and that's about it.
• 57:52
  Speaker 14: I think it's.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: Important to dig into the origin story of the Dean
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: Phillips for President campaign, which is laid out in this
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: very extensive article in The Atlantic, a populist website available
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: all throughout New Hampshire for free.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: That's where you go.
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: To find Democratic primary voters. You go to The Atlantic
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: and you talk to Tim Alberta.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: So Dean Phillips has been very public about his concerns
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: about Joe Biden and his electability. And not that Joe
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: Biden is too old to do the job, but that
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: Joe Biden is too old to win reelection has been
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: his point to date. And at some point in mid-September,
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: Steve Schmidt, current podcast host, DMed Dean Phillips. Careful.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Don't trust the podcast host.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: DMed Dean Phillips and said, will you come on my podcast?
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: Dean Phillips did. Afterwards, Steve Schmidt sent him an email
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: that said, all my friends who listen to the podcast
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: said something to the effect of, this guy has to
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: be president, which definitely happened. And before that conversation was over,
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: Steve Schmidt had a job running Dean Phillips's presidential campaign.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: So I'm suggesting that perhaps not a lot of thought
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: was put into this plan. And we know this because
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: he is on the ballot in New Hampshire, a state
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: that has exactly zero delegates.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a problem, too, because New Hampshire is still
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: going to go first, even though the DNC decided that
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: South Carolina is going to go first. So they're going
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: to strip New Hampshire of their delegates if they go
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: forward with the primary, which they are. And Dean Phillips
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: is trying to take advantage of that. So because Biden's
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: not going to be on the ballot in New Hampshire,
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: so he's going to try to win New Hampshire.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Even though he doesn't get any delegates.
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: And of course he's not going to get any delegates
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: out of Nevada because he missed the filing deadline for Nevada.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: Uh, first of all, does just a reminder that every member,
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: every member of Congress is just waiting for someone to say,
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: it's your turn to DM them.
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: But we have one coming out next.
• 59:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No present company accepted.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe, but, but, but also, but do you know how
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: tall Dean Phillips is?
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: Um, Honestly, I just think he seems like a generic 5'10.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: He gives off 5'10 energy. But, you know, look, I
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: read his campaign announcement speech with great interest. I read
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: it because the full video is not available on the internet.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Right, I looked for it for like hours.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 6: The full video of his campaign announcement, speaking to Dan's
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: point that this thing was cooked up in a DM
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: three weeks ago.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: No website, no website, there's no SEO going on.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: It's not on YouTube.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: You Google Dean Phillips, you gotta scroll down, make sure
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: you're on the right Dean Phillips.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: But you could read the full speech if you're a
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Playbook subscriber.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 6: You could read the full speech, and the full speech
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: they released was in, this actually gave me like a
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: pang of anxiety, because they didn't release a transcript the
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: way a normal campaign would, which is like a press release.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 6: They just put out the copy that was clearly for
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: him to read.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: It was in the big font.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: In the phonetic, yes.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: With the kind of spacing of a speech. First of all,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 6: extremely generic. It's an insulting document. It's a cursed text.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: I had this urge when I was reading the document.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: To start editing.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: I was like, where's track changes?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: This is so fucking bland. What are you doing here?
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 6: We need to be fed and we need to be free.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: And it's a lot of that. It's like the 90s shit.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: It's a lot of sentences that loop back.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: On each other.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: But the thing that's so insulting about it is that
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: there's no real argument in it.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: It's basically you're meant to read between the lines that
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 6: Joe Biden is too old. We need an alternative. I
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: am that alternative. The problem with that is he then
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: goes and does these interviews. He did an interview on
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: Meet the Press. And Kristen Walker's first question is, what
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: are some places where you disagree with Joe Biden? And
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: he's like, I'm not running against Joe Biden. I'm running
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: for the future. And it's like, okay, that's a sentence
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: a person can think. But then when you put it
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: on its feet, it falls the fuck over because the
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: follow-up is, but that's exactly what you're doing, sir. You're
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: running against Joe Biden. So where are there some differences?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: Then he kind of fumpers around to kind of find some.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: And the other problem with this is like, look, he
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: says in that interview, said in other interviews, he said
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 6: it publicly that he's wanted there to be an alternative
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 6: to Joe Biden. This is not the popular governor of
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: a Midwest state who's shown the ability to build a coalition.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: This is a no-name congressman who's making references to his
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: subcommittee work as part of his qualifications.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Subcommittees matter. I'm just saying, it's not going to move
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: the needle.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Which subcommittee? Who can remember?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: But it's just like, he then redounds to this electability argument,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: but it's like, Who are you to make that argument?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 6: Why do I have any reason to believe you, Dean Phillips,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 6: a person who I Googled right after I Googled Mike Johnson?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Why are you more electable than Joe Biden?
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 6: He doesn't really have... He doesn't have anything to say
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: that's actually a cogent, specific argument.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Perry, what did you think of the speech? He did, like.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, and Playbook picked this up, and clearly Steve
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: Schmidt told Playbook this, but, like, he... If you read
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: between the lines, he sort of he dinged President Biden
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: on inflation, border security, crime. He says he had a
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: line about we're funding wars where, you know, we're we're
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: funding fighting and more than we are feeding. And he said, we,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: the new generation, will rise not through war, but through peace.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: Do you think he's leaning into policy contrast? What is
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: he trying to do there?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 12: I think it's a great example of polls are useful,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 12: but it's clear if you look crime borders, if you
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 12: look at what issues is Biden weakest on, it's clear
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 12: that he looked at those issues. And I'm going to
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 12: talk about these issues. Dean Phillips is not known as
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 12: a leading immigration expert on Capitol Hill. It's more than,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 12: and his whole campaign is Biden is unelectable or like
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 12: Biden is too old.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: People don't like that.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 12: And Biden might lose and therefore I'm running. But great
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 12: candidacies are actually not made purely or usually by polls
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 12: at all. Like, I didn't support a Muslim ban or
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 12: whatever Trump said, but his candidacy did sort of emerge
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 12: sort of organically. Obama's candidacy, one I thought was great,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 12: emerged from different things. He had something to say. He
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 12: was running for a reason. Just basing and grounding your
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 12: candidacy on polls just usually doesn't work. I guess the
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 12: other thing I would say is, Polls are not as
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 12: important as sometimes they are argued, and I think that parties,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 12: I think, are actually more important. What's happened, and I
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 12: think it's really important, is There are plenty of Democrats who,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 12: if they started running tomorrow, if Gretchen Whitmer or Raphael
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 12: Warnock said I'm running president, I would probably consider, I
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 12: would probably vote for them myself in the primary. But
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 12: that said, they're not doing that. And I think it's
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 12: worth considering whether, whatever the polls say, the people who
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 12: are actually Democratic candidates, actually in charge of the Democratic Party,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 12: have decided our candidate is Joe Biden. And that's like,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 12: no matter what, that's why the media is sort of
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 12: struggling with this. We're all sort of struggling with this is,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 12: Parties have power. One party has decided, well, one party,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 12: you know, Mitch McConnell is trying to stop Donald Trump,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 12: but the voters would prefer Donald Trump. But in this party, like,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 12: the voters are actually like Joe Biden, but even more,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 12: the viable candidates for president people might actually consider are
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 12: not running. So, and I think Dean Phillips should have
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 12: assessed that, too. He's not, you know, there's no demand
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 12: for Dean Phillips. And I think that's pretty well, you know,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 12: Tommy said he might not win. I'm going to go
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 12: further and say Dean Phillips will not be president.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: Well, so, and it's not, and I don't think Gretchen
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: Whitmer and Gavin Newsom and the other governors, popular governors,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: are not running.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 9: Who?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: Josh Shapiro, of course, are not running because someone in
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: the Democratic, right, yeah. They have assessed that they either
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: cannot beat Joe Biden or that they would damage Joe
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: Biden or that maybe they'll run down the road and
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: that's going to be better.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: So, like, they have made that decision.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: And look, I'll take Dean Phillips at his word that
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: he is just someone who is freaked out by the polls.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: tried to get other people to run against Joe Biden,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: couldn't do that, and decided, well, I'm so freaked out
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: about the polls that I'll.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Do it myself. But that doesn't seem like a great
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: reason to run for president, but that seems like what
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: he's doing.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 6: And what is gelato other than just like ice cream
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: with a master's degree, you know, that it's always telling
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: you about?
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: I think it's important to recognize that the Democratic Party
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: does not lack people who want to be president, who
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: think that they would be better presidents than Joe Biden, probably.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: But the reason that Gretchen Whitmer and Josh Shapiro and
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: Gavin Newsom are not running is that Joe Biden is
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: incredibly popular with Democrats.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: This gets lost.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump's up by 60 points in Republican polls. His
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: approval rating is 77% among Republicans. Joe Biden's is 80%
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: among Democrats. It's just, it would be incredibly hard to
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: beat him. And even in these polls that show that
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: two thirds of Democrats want someone else, 80% of all
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: those Democrats say they have a favorable opinion of Joe
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: Biden or approve of Joe Biden. And that's a big
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: deal in a primary.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 13: And Dean Phillips voted with Joe Biden 100% of the time. Literally,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 13: according to FiveThirtyEight, Perry's former workplace. So it's like, Sir,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 13: you know, again.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: Sir.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm so respectful of this guy.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: His vest is like half zipped up.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: Drives me crazy. I mean, look, the guy has a
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: vest that zips from the top down and the bottom up.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. Like what we need to do for
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: the middle class.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: We need to stop these zippers from the bottom up
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 6: and the top down. We need a zipper from the
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 6: middle to fuck out.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 13: If I were a Democrat getting into the presidential primary
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 13: right now, I would run hard to the left offensively
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 13: of Joe Biden on Gaza or anti-war, I would like
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 13: pick an issue that I think that could get the
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 13: progressive left excited and motivated and giving me money and
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 13: endorsing me. And Dean Phillips is just pointedly not doing that.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 13: So it makes you wonder, what are we doing here?
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: But, you know, but look, and again, I don't, I
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: don't want to suggest here that like Dean Phillips's anxieties
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: about Joe Biden are unwarranted, right? Like he's like, Who knows?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: We don't know if the polls are right or wrong. Like, yeah,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: there's clearly reason to worry. But, like, looking at the polls, worrying,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: and then deciding, like, going from that point to be like, oh,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: I should just run for president.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: It's just a little bit of a leap.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: We have talked a lot about how you manage your
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: polar coaster anxiety in this podcast over the years.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: This is extreme. I got to do it. I got
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: to do it.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: Dean Phillips, knock some doors, buddy. You'll feel better.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Anyway, well, that's Dean Phillips. We'll see if we talk
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: about him again. Who knows? Maybe we will. Maybe we won't.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: He could be a guest on the pod.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: He could be a guest on the pod. You know what?
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 13: If he is, he's going to like me, not you guys.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tommy will be calling him sir the whole time.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess Tommy's the one that's going to get
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: some of that faggy ice cream.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: We'll be right back with Congressman Morgan McGarvey, who I'm
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: sure is going to be thrilled to join us.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: I denounce that joke.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: I denounce that joke.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: Please welcome to the stage a member of the Bourbon Caucus,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: which is what Jon Favreau calls himself after he's had
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 6: a few at the babysitter's stand all the way till 10.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: It's Kentucky's own Louisville born and brewed and perfectly aged
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: Congressman Morgan McGarvey.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Good to see you. Thanks for being here. Congressman, thank
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: you for being here.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 14: I didn't know my parents were here tonight.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 6: There was no reason to take your shirts off. Now,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 6: we would be remiss, Congressman, not to capitalize on your
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 6: love of bourbon. And frankly, it's just been that kind
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 6: of a week. So we're going to play something we're
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 6: calling Drink the Fifth.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: Here's how it works. Just casual conversation.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 6: But if we ask you or you ask us a
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: question we don't want to answer, we just take a drink.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: And as we do, we have a couple of bourbons
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: up here that you're going to tell us about because
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: you are the congressman from Bourbon Town.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: We have a couple of different ones. So I'll kick
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: it off.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: I just wanted to kick it off with just sort
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: of Before we get to the nonsense, the House has
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: a speaker. They ultimately had ChatGPT create someone with the prompt,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 6: what if Paul Ryan truly believed there were dinosaurs on
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: the ark? Mike Johnson popped out. First of all, what
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 6: of any relationship have you had with him? And do
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 6: you have any observations as this chapter of Republican chaos
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 6: draws to a close?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 14: So I'll be honest, I didn't know who Mike Johnson was.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: And he's a colleague.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 14: You work with him.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Hey, it's okay.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 8: He doesn't know who I am either. But, you know,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 8: there's a great thing in law school when you're studying.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 8: They call it the reasonably prudent person. It's a made-up
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 8: character to decide if someone owes somebody a duty, if
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 8: they've been hurt, that sort of thing. I view my
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 8: wife as the reasonably prudent person. And hearing you guys
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 8: talk about Dean Phillips, now we're talking about Mike Johnson.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 8: When the Mike Johnson thing hit and then Dean Phillips
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 8: announced for president, she actually looked at me and she goes... okay,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 8: are you guys just making up members of Congress now?
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: I felt that too.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 14: So, no, I'm not on any committees with him. I
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 14: didn't know him at all.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 8: I mean, but look, he represents a very extreme part
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 8: of their party. I think it's an extreme part of
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 8: their party. I think it's a dangerous part of their party.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 8: When you talk about national abortion bans, when you talk
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 8: about targeting LGBTQ youth, when you talk about bringing that
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 8: type of extremism, whether it's on foreign policy or domestic policy,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 8: it hurts people in their daily lives. And so my
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 8: hope is that he can rise above some of the
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 8: things he has said and done and lead the institution
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 8: as a speaker. But, you know, if not, then certainly
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 8: the Democrats are going to be unified. We're going to
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 8: continue to fight what we fought for. And Perry, you
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 8: said this earlier, I think, too. It is going to
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 8: be something with which now we can run against. It
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 8: is a Donald Trump, Mike Johnson speakership right now with
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 8: that sort of MAGA element. And so I think we're
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 8: in a really interesting time with the budget coming up.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 8: That's the first big test of his speakership. Let's see
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 8: what happens.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Point of order.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: Are these Kentucky socks?
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 14: They are Kentucky socks. Nice.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: Nice. Those are cool.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 8: They are Kentucky socks. And appropriately for this room, they're blue,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: which I thought was a good thing to have.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 6: Now, we have three kinds of bourbon up here. This
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: is Old Forester 86 proof.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: This one is Old Forester 100 proof. This one is
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: Old Forester 1920 Prohibition style.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: So I think you drink this one while being very quiet. Oh.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: Which one should we try first?
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 8: So yeah, definitely try the Old Forrester 86 first.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 14: And there's a reason for this.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 8: First of all, when you're trying bourbon, you want to
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 8: start with the lower proof and work your way up.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 8: If you start with the higher proof, work your way down.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 8: Then by the time you get to the last drink,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 8: you're like, what is this?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 14: Is this water?
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 8: So Old Forrester 86, it is 86 proof. The 100,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 8: obviously 100 proof. The Prohibition is 115 proof, which is
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: fairly hot for a bourbon.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 14: So start with the 86.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: All right. Glad we did this segment towards the end.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: This is good.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 8: Now, when you taste bourbon, there's a right way to
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 8: smell it. Don't dip your nose in it like a
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 8: wine glass. If you dip your nose in it like
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 8: a wine glass and take a big whiff of it,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 8: you're just going to get a whole bunch of alcohol
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 8: and burn those nose hairs. You hold it right below.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 8: You actually breathe in with your mouth. So kind of
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 8: hold it up to your mouth.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 14: Not at your chin, love it. Not at your chin.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 14: You hold it up to your nose. You know, I'm
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 14: trying here. You're trying.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 6: It's good.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: It's good stuff. I like the 86.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 8: It's a great bourbon. You can find it for about $ 23,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 8: and I think Old Forrester 86 is just one of
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 8: those bourbons that punches above its weight. You can put
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 8: it on the bar shelf. It can taste at a
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 8: mid-shelf level at sort of that lower price, so I'm
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 8: a fan.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: How many members of Congress are in the Bourbon Caucus?
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 14: Not enough.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: After this week, I'll have more.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 14: I hope it's more. And look, you know, obviously it's
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 14: a bipartisan group.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 8: Andy Barr, the congressman from Lexington, is the co-chair of
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 8: it with me.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 6: Hey, not for this segment. Shut the fuck up. You
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 6: show some respect.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: Is it the Senate included, too?
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: Is Mitch McConnell in it?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 8: The Senate is allowed to be there. They don't come
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 8: over to our side as much.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 9: They're uppity.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 14: But we've done two.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 8: Bipartisan bourbon tastings since I've been there now. The last one,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 8: we had about 40 members of Congress there from both parties,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 8: which is a good number. And I mean, look, there's
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 8: a lot of dysfunction up there. Henry Clay, I think,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 8: is the one who said that bourbon can lubricate the
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 8: wheels of democracy.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 14: So we're doing our best.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 6: I had a funny question about that later. That's all
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: fucked up now. I was going to say, was he talking?
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: It's a content issue. You know what else?
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 14: I have something else for you.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 14: Dean Phillips is 5'8.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: Oh. Honestly, honestly, thank you for telling us. I know.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 8: I'm so confident because I have 5'10 energy. You know what?
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 6: I got to say, it's classic 5'10 guy to be like,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: that guy's 5'8.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 9: That's the reason.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 14: That's it. All right.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 8: You know, they told me I'd have your chair and
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 8: I was excited because I thought it would be higher,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 8: but no, it's the same as everyone else's.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 14: It's the same as everybody else's.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: He's flustered people.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 14: The 100 proof is also good. It's also good.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: Next question.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: Lube us up, love it. Come on.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Well, now I'm going to skip to a dumb question.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Nothing on the cards for this, huh?
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: What is happening there? How many cards do you have?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: Got a lot to get through.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: All right, but as someone who's been vocal about gun violence,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: what are your thoughts about Speaker Johnson saying that the
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 6: problem isn't guns but the human heart? Are you aware
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: of any proposals for human heart reform? And what do
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 6: you think is so bad about American hearts compared to
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 6: hearts in other democracies?
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Good question.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 8: All of them, no matter what, can buy a gun anytime,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 8: anywhere they want to. And the reality is we've got
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 8: to have common sense gun reform in this country. You know, look,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 8: I mean, right here in Kentucky, we had a mass
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 8: shooting in April that rocked our community. You know, Louisville,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 8: I tell people Louisville is, it's the smallest big city
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 8: in America. And Perry knows this. Everybody's one or two
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 8: degrees of separation away from everybody else. If you didn't
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 8: know somebody directly impacted that shooting, you knew someone who did, truly.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 8: I lost two friends in that shooting. I knew several
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 8: others who were shot. It happened the Monday morning after Easter.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 14: And what happened?
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 8: You had a young man who had a long history
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 8: of trouble who went in six days before and bought
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 8: an AR-15 and walked out in 40 minutes with an
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 8: AR-15 and rounds of ammunition. Six days later goes, kills
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 8: five of his coworkers, injures eight others, shoots a police
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 8: officer in the head with an AR-15 round. It's unconscionable
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 8: that we don't have common sense red flag or extreme
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 8: risk protection laws that keep people safe from themselves as
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 8: well as others. It's amazing that we can just buy
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 8: these weapons of war that right now in Kentucky, you
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 8: don't even have to have a license to have a
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 8: concealed carry permit. That in our hospital right here, Norton
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 8: Children's Hospital in 2021, there were 80 kids who came
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 8: in who were shot. And 85% of those kids shot
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 8: were accidental. That we're not talking about safe storage laws.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 8: I think if you have an American heart, you should
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 8: be talking about common sense gun reform so that we
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 8: can keep our community safe.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Let's go back to bourbon.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 6: Now this is a hundred proof bourbon yep we're going
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 6: up the kicking it up a notch kicking it up
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 6: a notch where's the best place to smell this across
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 6: the room.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 8: You've already had a glass just drink it um you
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 8: know But 100 proof, obviously, is 50% alcohol. Alcohol, the
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 8: most it could be is 200 proof. So 100 proof
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 8: is 50% alcohol. It's important to know what has to
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 8: be in a bourbon.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 14: When we talk about bourbon, what has to be. Is
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 14: this one of your questions? Am I messing this up?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: No, no, this is good. This is good stuff.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 9: This is good stuff.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 8: To be a bourbon, you actually don't have to be
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 8: made in Kentucky. Now, all of the good stuff is
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 8: made here.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 14: Obviously.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 8: And truly, 95% of the world's bourbon is made in Kentucky.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 8: but it has to be made in America. It has
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 8: to be in a new charred white oak barrel, has
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 8: to be aged for at least two years, has to
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 8: come off the still at no more than 160 proof,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 8: into the barrel no more than 125 proof, and the
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 8: lowest it can be bottled at is 80 proof. So
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 8: a Basil Hayden is like an 80 proof bourbon, whereas
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 8: we've got the 86, now we're at the hundreds. It
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 8: has to be at least 50% corn. And that's basically,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 8: I think those are our requirements there to be a bourbon.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 8: And so when you're looking at an old Forrester 100 proof,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 8: it's 72% corn, 18% rye. So it's got a higher proof,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 8: a little bit higher proof right there at that sort
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 8: of 100 proof level.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 14: But the corn gives it more of a sweetness.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 8: And so the rye is what gives it more of
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 8: a kick. If you see more of a high rye bourbon,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 8: which I think makes this 100 proof Old Forrester really,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 8: really approachable for what the proof level is.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, it doesn't taste like
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: 100 proof.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: It's approachable.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: It is approachable.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 6: It's like a teacher that turns the chair around and
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: raps at you.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 14: It's 100 proof, but it's actually 5'8. That's good.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 13: Have you always known all this shit, or do you
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 13: learn this for Congress? This is like some deep knowledge.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: Of the bourbon.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 8: You know, look, I think a lot of Kentuckians do
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 8: know a lot about bourbon.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: A lot of people in the crowd, I'm sure. I know,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: but a lot of people do.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 8: And I was in the state senate for 10 years
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 8: before this, and we really do a lot of bourbon
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 8: bills in the state legislature in Kentucky, as you can imagine,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 8: so you learn a fair amount about it there.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: Tommy, I can't believe you didn't understand that being co-chair
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: of the Bourbon Caucus comes with real responsibilities.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: I apologize.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 14: If I run for president, I'll campaign on that.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: That's pretty good.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 6: Now, you've been fighting to the white oak that makes
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 6: the barrels.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 14: Yes.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 6: What's happening with it? Because the tree is in trouble.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 8: I mean, this is one where you actually see Congress
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 8: having a little bit of foresight right now, which is good.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 8: There's a white oak regeneration bill, bipartisan bill up right now.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 14: And it's a good thing.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 8: When you look at white oak, again, bourbon has to
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 8: be made in a white oak barrel. And there's about
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 8: an 80 year lifespan to get that tree from plant
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 8: to where you're going to harvest it for, for a
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 8: bourbon barrel. And so we're looking down the road and going, okay,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 8: we got to have enough white oak trees to make
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 8: sure not only can we have bourbon barrels, all the furniture,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 8: all the other things that you use for oak. And
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 8: so it's one of those things that you see a
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 8: Democrat Republican kind of coming together because it can also
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 8: be really good for the planet as well as being
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 8: good for business.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 14: And I think that's, that's kind of a cool thing.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: Now let's find out about this last one before we
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: get into the.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 14: This is the hottest of the three.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 8: Old Forrester was started in 1870. One of the cool
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 8: things about it is it was put in a glass
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 8: bottle by George Garvin Brown and then sealed. And so
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 8: this is at a time when it was before the
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 8: Bottled and Bond Act.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 14: Tommy didn't wait for the explanation. That's good stuff.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: The 120 was not very approachable.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: Sorry, okay.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 8: And so in 1920 when prohibition started, Old Forrester is
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 8: actually the longest continually sold bourbon under the same name
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 8: and the same company in the country. And in 1920,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 8: they're one of the few companies that got a medicinal license.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 8: Had a long history of having a good product, got
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 8: a medicinal license, were able to keep going. This was
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 8: released as part of one of their series to honor
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 8: that legacy. And it comes in at 115 proof because
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 8: during that prohibition era, as medicine, a lot of the
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 8: bourbon was a higher proof.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: You get like a doctor's prescription.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 6: They're like framed doctor's prescriptions for like bourbon.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: Oh, wow.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 14: You could get prescriptions for bourbon.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: And you could also take the grease off a carburetor.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 14: Now, when Old Forrester did this, they were.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: It's still pretty smooth.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: It is pretty smooth.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 14: Well, this is why we tried it last, by the way.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 14: Now go back and try the 86 and see what
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 14: you think about it.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 8: But, you know, they released in 1870, which is when
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 8: it started, 1897, 1910, and 1920. And I will tell you,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 8: for anybody trying this at home, if you ever have
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 8: the 1920 and the 1910 just mix half and half,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 8: we call it the 1915, and it's a really good bourbon.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 14: There's your inside tip.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 12: Are you allowed to say if you have a favorite bourbon,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 12: I want to ask, and you can decline to comment.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: It might be useful for your future.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 14: I drink the fifth.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 8: No, I truly don't have a favorite bourbon. And what
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 8: I tell people all the time is look at your
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 8: price points. And so, you know, if you're looking at
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 8: a little bit more of an inexpensive bourbon, right, I
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 8: think that that Old Forrester 86 is great. I think
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 8: the Elijah Craig Small Batch, it's a 94 proof bourbon,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 8: is a really good bourbon that's out there. Obviously, you've
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 8: got some of your Maker's Mark and Woodford Reserve and
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 8: those sorts of things. Move a little bit high up,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 8: like right now, high up for me is $ 37. 99 at Costco.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 8: You can get a bottle of Four Roses single barrel.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 6: I like that in Louisville, you don't have to know
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 6: what a gallon of milk costs. I think that that's cool. Now,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 6: before we let you go, you have cards in front
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 6: of you. I have some hard questions for you. Now
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: we're getting into drink in the fifth here. Throw a
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 6: question out at us. If we want to answer it,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 6: we'll answer it. If not, we'll have to drink.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 14: All right.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 8: What's the one thing that really annoyed you about Hillary Clinton?
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: I'm going to drink on that one.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: How about this?
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 6: Who is the last congressperson you'd like to see in
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: the Capitol gym?
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: You definitely want to pick that one.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 14: Marjorie Taylor Greene. Next question.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: Who's the first congressperson you'd like to see in the Capitol?
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 14: First of all, she's really strong. And second of all,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 14: a drink.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: Bobert. Bobert?
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 13: Because you know what's going on out there with the
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 13: deal juicing.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: Better not be any Boberting out there. Show some respect.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: Obviously, we mean vaping, you sickos.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 14: It's my turn, my turn. All right. Who was your
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 14: least favorite person in the Obama administration?
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: Just drink. Just drink. They're written to be drunk during.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Yikes. Yikes. Let's see.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: Let's see what we got for you.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 6: Who would win in a fight, Marjorie Taylor Greene or
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 6: Lauren Boebert? And the fighting style is capoeira.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 8: Marjorie Taylor Greene. Look, I mean, she's very strong, as
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 8: you all know. She would win that fight as long
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 8: as there's no guns allowed.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: Good caveat.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 6: Was there any part of you that wanted to nominate
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: George Santos as Speaker?
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 14: Since he's already been Speaker, I knew he didn't want
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 14: the job again.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 14: That's true. I like that.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: You want to hit one of these guys?
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 9: Tommy.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: Hi.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 8: If Commander Biden bit you in the White House, would
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 8: you report it or just suffer in silence, maybe sneaking
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 8: him a few treats from time to time to earn
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 8: his affection?
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is easy. I'd suck it up.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: Patch it up and suck it up.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: Come on.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: What are we doing here?
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: You have a follow-up for Tommy there.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 14: Follow-up question?
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: You have a follow-up right there for Tommy, I believe.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 14: Dan.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, for Dan.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 9: Dan.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 14: And Tommy. If you could change one thing about Lovett,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 14: what would it be?
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: Make him 5'10. Yeah.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 14: That's fine.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: Being 5'10 would be cool.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 6: Congressman, you once said bourbonism has exploded in Kentucky and
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 6: the reality is that you can't have bourbon unless you
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: have a barrel. Where did you get the stones to
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 6: make up a word like bourbonism?
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: Bourbonism.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 8: From bourbon itself. You have enough of it and it
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 8: just comes out. I'm still thirsty, so I'm going to drink.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you should. You should. You should. I'm sticking
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: with the 86. Well, you know.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: I've really settled on the 100.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: I don't dislike the 100. Yeah, no, I think the
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: 100's great.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 6: I mean, the 115 proof stuff I think would be
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 6: great after, say, a divorce or something. This is a
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 6: great thing to drink when you have nothing left to lose.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 14: This should be the last thing.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: You remember before you wake up in a new city.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 8: So so a couple of things about uh about about
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 8: that higher proof one better in an old fashion a
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 8: good old fashion is better in old fashion two better
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 8: on the rocks let it melt a little bit Or three,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 8: one like, it's a bourbon trick, but on a higher
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  Speaker 8: proof bourbon even, if you just take, I know it's
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  Speaker 8: gonna sound crazy, but if you take a drop of
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  Speaker 8: water and put it in it, it'll totally open it up.
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  Speaker 14: Just a drop.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: I've heard that before. Open it up.
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  Speaker 8: What?
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  Speaker 2: Open what up? What the fuck are you talking about?
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  Speaker 8: Do you remember the face Tommy made when he tried
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  Speaker 8: the 115 proof?
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  Speaker 14: You just don't make that face anymore.
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  Speaker 1: So you're not like a wimp. That helps.
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  Speaker 6: Do you have a couple more on there for one
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  Speaker 6: of our contestants?
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  Speaker 5: I do.
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  Speaker 8: Favreau, if it meant saving crooked media, would you show
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  Speaker 8: your feet in Discord?
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  Speaker 1: Show my feet?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I'll show my feet in Discord.
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  Speaker 14: I didn't know you were into that. That's cool.
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  Speaker 1: That's cool.
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  Speaker 14: That's cool. That's cool. We've learned a lot about you.
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  Speaker 2: Love it.
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  Speaker 8: I know that the Bourbon Caucus is something that Favreau
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  Speaker 8: joins with a babysitter. So do you know the full
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  Speaker 8: names of Favreau and Tommy's children?
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  Speaker 2: That's so good. That doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 14: Because you guys seem close. I mean, I'm just, I'm new.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, Charlie and Lizette, dude, they're middle names?
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  Speaker 1: That's full names.
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  Speaker 2: Full name. I feel like they're both something like Franklin.
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  Speaker 14: Just say Mike Johnson.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: I don't think you need to know the middle names
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  Speaker 13: of our children, but.
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  Speaker 3: It's Louise for me.
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  Speaker 2: Louise, I did know that.
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  Speaker 1: Harrison.
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  Speaker 2: Harrison. That's close with Franklin. Yeah. Final question.
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  Speaker 6: It was the American statesman, Henry Clay, who once said
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 6: that bourbon could lubricate the wheels of government.
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  Speaker 2: Was he talking about having sex with a train?
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  Speaker 7: You know what?
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  Speaker 14: I'll ask you.
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  Speaker 6: I'll ask you actually, I want to ask you a serious,
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  Speaker 6: let's ask you a serious question to end this.
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  Speaker 2: Delightful experience.
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  Speaker 6: You leave voicemails for your constituents, who apparently are the
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: only people on earth who like voicemails.
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  Speaker 2: But you have a Democratic governor. You are the only
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: Democrat in your delegation.
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  Speaker 6: What do you wish people understood about running and winning
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 6: in the South that maybe some of our listeners don't understand?
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, no, thanks so much.
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  Speaker 9: Don't overlook us, right?
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  Speaker 14: Don't overlook us. I know we're in flyover country, right?
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  Speaker 8: But we have people here who want their communities to
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  Speaker 8: be safe, who want their kids to be able to
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 8: get a good education, who want to be able to
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 8: have good affordable healthcare, who want to be able to
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 8: retire with some security and some dignity, right? Who care
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 8: about the future of our community and our country. And
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 8: if we can talk to them about our plans to
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 8: do just that without looking down on them, then I
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  Speaker 8: truly believe not only will we listen, but we will
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 8: find some more common ground.
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  Speaker 6: Congressman McGarvey, thank you so much for being here. Thank
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 6: you for taking us through these great bourbons.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for getting us drunk.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we consider ourselves members of the Bourbon Caucus.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And thanks for being here.
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  Speaker 14: Thank you, guys.
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  Speaker 2: One more time for your congressman.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you to Congressman Morgan McGarvey.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you to State Senator Karen Bergen. Thank you to
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  Speaker 1: Perry Bacon. Thank you, Loyal.
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