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The 5th Down: Tier 5 Fantasy Rankings · The Poi N Soy Podcast

• KayOhKnee: Welcome back to the podcast. I'm your co-host, Curney McKeegan. With me today on the fifth down is my boyfriend, the fifth down, Nolan Chanks. Say what's up to the pod, Nolan. Nolan: Hello everybody. KayOhKnee: So like right when I was about to select the song, my mouse like decided to not work. So I had to like reset it and turn it off and on again. ⁓ because I was just like looking, I was like, why is it not moving? ⁓ yeah. Anyway, ⁓ we're here to talk about some NFL tiers because that is where we have been for the last few weeks. ⁓ if you've been riding along with us, then you know that we completed tier four last week and we will be doing our fifth and final tier this week. ⁓ Nolan: I KayOhKnee: I'm gonna just forewarn everybody before we get into this one that my tiers are rather large. ⁓ and I'll explain it when I get there. But ⁓ anyway, before we get into that, we have to talk about our partners over at W Energy. Fantastic tasting energy, all of the energy you need to get through your day. Head on over to W.g. or use the W Energy app and our promo code, which is POI and soy. That's P O I N S O I for 10% off your order. Nolan, let's talk some NFL fantasy football. All right. Let me make sure I stop the song. Okay. Anyway, ⁓ so we are here to talk about our tier fives. Let's start off with the quarterback position, as we typically do. ⁓ I don't know where we are with your changes, 'cause I know there's been a lot already the track and we're in the fifth and final one. Yeah. ⁓ Nolan: There's been a few I've made and as I get to them you'll kinda know which ones were the the ones that I've moved up since the last time we recorded Tier Five. ⁓ The yeah, the first one Bryce Young. Nothing against you, Bryce, but you know, you haven't really taken huge leaps and bounds forward. ⁓ but you're not you're not trash. You're a serviceable, like, second QB as needed for certain week to week stuff. I I had to get that out of the way. I don't wanna call you trash 'cause KayOhKnee: Go ahead, girl. Th but that was that was like the least confident you're not trash. That's that was basically like you just caught him trash. That's like saying like, no offense Nolan: You're tier five. Like what am I supposed to say? Like ⁓ It's like you're not trash, but you're not like you're not like the level one, two, three or four. But you're top of five. So the year KayOhKnee: Yeah, like the running joke of like when you say no offense but then you're about to offend somebody, that's exactly what you just did. You're not trash, but you kinda trash, like Nolan: No offense, but like, you know. the next one I got is Tua. Now Tua is someone that I'm I'm thinking about moving up more just 'cause as the OTA is kind of completed. ⁓ it looked like he was doing better and better as being a very accurate quarterback for a team that looks like they're kind of in this weird rebuild limbo. It's it's not a rebuild, but it's like KayOhKnee: Yeah. Nolan: You're not necessarily gonna be KayOhKnee: get that it's so weird, yeah. Like everybody and their mothers is talking about how like the Falcons like the worst team in the conference and they're like rebuilding. Am I the only one that like they didn't really lose anything? Nolan: No. You got a top tier wide receiver. You have the top tier running back. Like the only thing that's really gonna be ⁓ ruffling feathers is I mean, also Kyle Pitts. We can't disclose ⁓ disc discredit Kyle Pitts. ⁓ but yeah, I mean like your quarterback is just the the most divisive part right now, and even then Tua is someone who was a prolific scorer, like the two years removed. KayOhKnee: Yeah. Yeah. And I I don't wanna like you know what I mean, like whatever or make waves with this saying b ⁓ statement, but I feel like I would rather have Tua than Kirk, you know what I mean? So I don't understand how that's such a big drop off. Nolan: I kinda would rather have two of them panics too. Like I don't KayOhKnee: Yeah, no, me a hundred percent. I mean, yeah, that sh Michael Panic should not be starting to start the year. I mean if you've heard anything from ⁓ what's his name? Stefansky, it's been that Tua is much more accurate, so you know. Nolan: What yeah, but either way, ⁓ I'm liking what I'm seeing what I'm hearing from Tua. Next I got Geno Smith. Now Geno Smith is kinda here as a placeholder. ⁓ you know, it could be old boy, what's what's the the young gun's name? K we always forget, man. No, 'cause no no no, 'cause I immediately wanna say Kyle McCord and I know it's not Kyle McCord. And I was like, Okay, it's yeah, yeah, it's Cade Klubnick. ⁓ KayOhKnee: Mm-hmm. Kid Klubnik, you always forget his name. No, you always forget. That's the Eagles. Yeah, yeah. That's the Eagles guy. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Like you literally always get to him. You might as well just put like a sticky note on your computer. Yeah, because I was like literally every time you get to his name, it's always like, yeah, then I hope you draft Kyle McCord just cause that'd be hilarious. ⁓ the ⁓ yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. No matter what, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Nolan: I'm sorry, Kate. I don't know why. I'm gonna smack a sticker on the screen. It'll be like draft day. ⁓ it'll No no I was like no the movie draft day where he has the post-it note, like always dra like draft him, yeah, no matter what. but yeah, Geno Smith is here as a placeholder because i ideally he would be the QB one starting off the season. ⁓ but the reason he's in tier five is because the shell of a version that we got of Geno Smith last season has left a bad taste in my mouth and I could not put him any higher. KayOhKnee: Mm-hmm. Nolan: ⁓ if Kate Klubnik comes in during training camp and looks like he may be vying for the the winning ⁓ or the starting position, I may move Geno up and then I can move Kate up or ⁓ Geno down and Kate up. but we'll see. ⁓ if Geno Smith, you know, looks even better than what I saw last season, maybe he'll go up as well. ⁓ Shadur Sanders is under that, mainly because once again, we we don't know what's going on there. But I am in agreement with you in past pods. I Shadur is the person that they should be starting in week one. ⁓ I think that he you they're clearly clearing house and making this a young ⁓ rebuild team. So you might as well put your stakes in the young quarterback that you drafted. ⁓ because I do think he's way better than Dylan Gabriel. ⁓ so take that, take that for what it w for what it is. ⁓ under him, I have ⁓ Carson Beck. You know? KayOhKnee: Well Nolan: ⁓ you know, I Yeah, yeah, yeah. ⁓ as of right now, Carson Beck is the backup quarterback. But that once again could change. And that's ⁓ I think that's the theme of this week's tier five for me. That could change. ⁓ Under Carson Beck, I have Deshaun Watson, because I also don't know what's going on ⁓ with his contract and how they're gonna utilize him, if they're gonna utilize him. ⁓ so we'll see what comes of that. KayOhKnee: I was wondering how high it was gonna be, so I was like, Yeah. Yeah. It makes no sense to I ch I just don't I don't even understand the keeping him around factor. You know what I mean? Like like is he really Yeah, yeah for real. Like I'm like is he e even like adding any sort of veteran, you know what I mean, leadership to this team? I I Yeah, like literally, yeah, yeah. 'Cause I quite literally like Nolan: Keep the masseuses in business. Like has he was he even in the locker room last season? Like I I need a no like was he there? KayOhKnee: Why even continue having him you c already cleared house of everybody else? Like your culture guys are gone. Why even keep him? I don't even understand the roster deal with this team. Todd Munkin, make up your mind, man. Nolan: Yeah. I I may never I may I mean I it's not even Todd Munkin's fault, like the owner's keeping him around last season. Yeah. ⁓ next under that I have Ty Simpson. Just cause I'm a Rams fan. I'm putting a little bit of stake in that that young gun. ⁓ You never know. You never know. Knock on KayOhKnee: Yeah, it's true. Yeah, true. Whoa. Whoa. ⁓ You say that Matt Safford's getting hurt. All right. Nolan: I did not say that, knock on wood. I am just saying I'm just saying There goes our future, there goes our season, there goes everything, there goes my mental health. Okay. ⁓ Under KayOhKnee: Super Bowl odds down the drain. There goes your you just traded all of your picks. Also, my dad and I were talking about this. At the very least, we're gonna tailgate that game, you know I mean? Like if we can't afford the ticket to get in, we're gonna you know what I mean? So Nolan: We're gonna be we're gonna be drunk outside the stadium going, all right KayOhKnee: We're gonna be there. Yeah, if it's the Rams and Steelers, we definitely gonna be there. Hundred percent. Nolan: Yeah, we just hear a loud cheers from inside the dome and you're like looking on your phone, who's scored? Who's gone? next, ⁓ I have JJ McCarthy. Now I am contrary to where I was last season on JJ McCarthy and him fulfilling what my thoughts were last season. I I am hoping that KayOhKnee: I know, I gotta wait a second, yeah. Mm-hmm. Nolan: Regardless of the reporters and the interviews that they've already kind of spoken about between him and Kyler and everything like that. I'm hoping he's welcoming the competition and that he grows from this as a quarterback. I I really do. I don't want to see him fail. I want him to have a career. But that's gonna be up to him to make those changes, to be more accurate, to be more patient, to be more poised. ⁓ and that's something that he has from now till training camp to or even through training camp to kind of prove to himself as well as everyone else out there. OTAs did not sound great for him, but I I do think that the Kyler we have now is not necessarily the MVP cut caliber Kyler that we had in the past. ⁓ so there is there is a world. There is a world where it is more of a close knit battle than than they're letting letting on and that may come to more come to pass as the season progresses. So I'm just saying JJ McCarthy. I know, I know, I heard. KayOhKnee: Not if you listen to Justin Jefferson, it's not. ⁓ Yeah. You said it to me. I was like, couldn't even saw it. I was like Yeah. Nolan: I s I saw that one too. ⁓ yeah. ⁓ yeah, yeah. You're right, you're right. something man. It's like that meme where they're po like the characters like poking the stick. Come on man, do something. ⁓ now I'm gonna do a live change because I I'm gonna move him down and these two guys up. KayOhKnee: Yeah, the Pokemon Do something. I'll just say 'cause I like, I'm looking at some of these names that I'm like are available if I if I if I remember correctly that you didn't say already, and I'm kinda like, damn, you disrespecting some people. I like back up Ty Simpson and back up JJ McCarthy. Crazy. You crazy. Go ahead. Nolan: I'm doing it. I'm doing it. ⁓ next I got I'm gonna stack these two together, mainly because I just need to see who starts week one, and that's it's not even more of a competition, it's just more of health-wise. Daniel Jones, Anthony Richardson. I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued. KayOhKnee: Yeah, see, that was that was the exact combo that I'm kind of surprised that you dropped behind those two guys. That's crazy. Woo! Yeah. Nolan: Yeah, I'm intrigued. I am intrigued. Right? ⁓ Daniel Jones, I'm I would probably take him higher than I have him listed in my tier just for the s fact that if he is returning this season, we get reports that he may return mid season. I would love to have Daniel Jones as my third bac quarterback ready to go. Like as a as a super flex league, I think that would be pretty intelligent to kind of get him going for that. ⁓ Anthony Richardson. You know, we saw him OTAs. I wouldn't necessarily say there was a lot of resounding re or yeah, resounding Positivity, I guess, but there wasn't any negativity. And I think that's a big thing, especially for him. ⁓ so I'm I'm intrigued to see how he looks as the kind of ⁓ enters this new season. He is a more mobile quarterback, he's not necessarily the most accurate, so maybe the time he's been on IR for all this all these past season or whatever, maybe he's grown a little bit, worked on some stationary drills to just pick up that accuracy and technique. ⁓ under that I got Michael Penix. I don't got much to say about Michael Penix. I wasn't impressed last season and now he's coming back after a Yeah, you gotta put him there. You gotta put him there. ⁓ now I didn't have him there, and I'm wondering why I never put him up there, but I'm gonna put him just behind ⁓ maybe maybe ahead of Michael Penix. Kirk Cousins, just cause he Yep. KayOhKnee: Yeah, yeah, I was just saying yeah. You kinda have to just throw ⁓ in there 'cause you don't know if you yeah, mm, yeah. Damn I that see that's another name. I'm like, wow, you just cockying on all these names. Nolan: You know, you know. ⁓ he's he's pretty much like the I don't want to say big brother, he's kinda like the dad to Fernando if you look at him. Like I think that it's gonna be a I think it'll be a very pleasant relationship between QB one and QB two in Las Vegas 'cause that's just the way these two guys personality wise seem like they are. ⁓ and I think Kirk is has been someone who is the most humble when he needs to be humble. ⁓ And he's very supportive. So whether it's him starting week one and by week four, Fernando starts think starts the season. I think it's gonna be nice either way. But that's why Kirk Cousins is down there because he's still Kirk. He still gets you some volume, but he's not necessarily gonna be your your long staying quarterback, three or four, you know. And that'll do it. KayOhKnee: Yeah. Yeah. Woof. Yeah, you I know. I was like, you definitely ⁓ what w where did you end number wise? Nolan: I added some names during today's, yeah. I was he was my forty or Michael's now my fortieth, I guess, technically. KayOhKnee: Fourtieth. Okay. Yeah. I was like, ⁓ so we are at the same number at least for but lit definitely wildly different in the rankings. ⁓ so to start off I got Tua at the top of the tier fives. if I'm just by on everything that Kevin Safansky is saying, he clearly wants a more accurate quarterback. He's finding that in Tua. Apparently him and Drake London have had a really good connection as well as Zachariah Branch, so that's been another guy that As you'll hear later in this conversation with my wide receiver tiers, that's somebody that I'm kinda slowly bumping up. ⁓ and then yeah, just just everything as far as like how to play. I just think he's really, really good for the Atlanta Falcons. Right after him I got Kirk Cousins. ⁓ Nolan: It's f I was gonna say it's funny that like when how my mindset has changed about Tua since I started fantasy where like we were just instilled with like he's got a noodle arm, he doesn't got it in him, and how nowadays I'm just like, Tua's pretty good, man. KayOhKnee: Yeah. No, yeah, yeah. ⁓ It's funny 'cause I feel like when I started I really didn't want to draft him and then like you watched his performances and he was just bawling out. Like you really couldn't hate on him because the I mean, even the first year we played, they probably were like the most prolific offense. It's when Tyree Kale and Jalen Waddle were super healthy and A Chan was rocking. So ⁓ anyway. I just I think he still can do it for Atlanta and I think he's better than the other options they've had over the last couple of years. So ⁓ speaking of back to back with the two Las Vegas ones, I do have Kirk Cousins and Fernando Mendoza back to back right here. ⁓ and as you'll kind of see, I pretty much put all of the quarterbacks that are like in QB battles right now in training camp back to back. So yeah. We'll we'll get to the rest of ⁓ after we do this. But ⁓ but yeah, Fernando Fernando Mendoza, I I still have him after Kirk because at least as far as what they're kind of pushing with this ⁓ Las Vegas organization is they do want the veteran leadership of Kirk ⁓ out there. I don't know how long that's gonna last, which is why I have them back to back, you know what I mean? 'Cause as far as what we've seen out of Fernando, I mean he looks solid, like the the form is immaculate. I mean he throws Really accurately. There's like a really good tight spiral on every one of his throws. I mean, he's bigger than Kirk Cousins, you know what I mean? Younger, obviously. I think that eventually he'll get taken over. ⁓ yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, there's a reason he was the number one overall draft pick. So all that points to he will be starting eventually. And I probably will like if I'm drafting and these are my last two or these are the two options in front of me. Nolan: He checks a lot of the boxes. You're stowing him. KayOhKnee: I'm probably grabbing Fernando over Kirk. Even though like 'cause I would hope by this point it's my third, you know what I mean? So if that is the case, I'm probably going that direction. ⁓ right after them I do have the indie ⁓ duo. 'Cause ⁓ Daniel Jones, obviously if he's healthy and starting, you know, week one, I gotta put him out there. Alec Pierce re signed with this team specifically for him. He wanted to keep that connection going. I think that that should ring, you know, throughout the organization because if your number one wide receiver who you just signed to a supermax contract wants to play with this specific quarterback, you're probably gonna start that quarterback. ⁓ that being said though, everything we've seen from Anthony Richardson, ⁓ like you just said earlier, intrigued 'cause the s I mean, the power, you know what I mean, and everything that We were kind of looking for in Anthony Richardson a couple years back when he was like the second or third QB coming off the board. I mean, the tools are there, man. He's showing it off. He looks even more, you know, strong. ⁓ he added more to that build, added some muscle to his build. There's something going on with Anthony Richardson, and if he does get to start the year, I'm a little worried for Daniel Jones. You know what I mean? You know, he Nolan: Mm-hmm. KayOhKnee: I don't he didn't get the big contract that he was hoping for. They signed him to that weird sort of ⁓ what was it like a like a restricted contract kind of situation or like a team option kind of situation. Anthony Richardson, man, he's still on his rookie deal. So I mean there's a good chance that he could end up being the guy if he shows out, you know, during week one, two, or three ⁓ playing for them. So all that being said. Nolan: Yeah. KayOhKnee: I have them back to back. Right after that, I have the New York Jets combo, Geno Smith, Kate Klubnik. Again, for the same exact reasons. If I'm drafting and this is maybe like I don't know. If this is my second QB, like maybe I didn't go super early on a QB, I'm probably going for the floor guys. So that's why I have them back to back. I'm probably going for the veteran, you know, in each of these scenarios. So Kirk Cousins, Daniel Jones, Geno Smith. Nolan: Mm. I like that. KayOhKnee: If this is if this is my third and I'm planning, you know, for whatever, and I'm hoping that this is like the guy who boons for me, like Jackson Dart did before I, you know, after I dropped him, ⁓ then I'm probably taking a swing. Yeah, exactly. Then I'm probably taking a swing on the second guy that I'm me mentioning here. So Cape Klubnick has looked really good. It just sounds like Geno Smith's probably gonna start day one. That being said, though, how long before he gets Nolan: Thanks, Kioni. KayOhKnee: possibly taking over if he's not playing well. The leash is the leash is gonna be short for a lot of these guys that we're mentioning ⁓ in these QB battles. Speaking of Jacoby Brissett and Carson Beck. The next two combo that I have after this. ⁓ kind of what we talked about. Jacoby Brissett. You know what I mean? Just plummeted because of what we've been seeing out of Carson Beck. The contract situation isn't great for him. I think that's the biggest part of this that's like making me really, really consider Carson over him is he hasn't re-signed. He's making it difficult for them. Now they're seeing what they can get out of Carson Beck because he hasn't showed up to training camp yet. It's you know what I mean? Like the the wheels are spinning for Arizona and they're very excited about this brand new weapon that they drafted at the top of the third round. The signs are pointing to Carson Beck may end up being the day one starter. And Jacoby's just gonna be out of the job because he didn't want to take whatever deal they were offering him to bring him back initially. So all that said, Gardner Minshew's there. He could be a backup, you know what I mean? You don't really need a Jacoby Brissett who's technically still under contract. So if he makes this even more difficult, it's gonna be Carson Beck for me, you know what mean? And I would imagine that's the same direction they they lean as well. So ⁓ after that, the Cleveland duel, Deshaun Watson and Shadur Sanders. I'd like to take Shadur higher and I'd like to take him even higher than this, maybe be maybe even throwing him up somewhere maybe above the indie duo. ⁓ just because I do think that Cleveland had such a good off season that if he is the starter he could be really, really good. Exactly. But that being said, the Todd Munkin stuff, I don't he just had an interview where he was like, I'm not gonna name a number one. You guys want me to name a number one Nolan: ⁓ yeah. He's being set up for success. KayOhKnee: That's not gonna happen. All that stuff that he said during that that whole, you know, conference or whatever, it makes me worry 'cause I'm like, I don't wanna be drafting anybody that I don't think the coach has confidence in. So and he says that about both of them, right? He hasn't he hasn't named neither Deshaun nor Shadur the star. And he didn't even mention Dylan Gabriel, so we're not even talking about that dude. ⁓ shout out to the boy though. You know what I mean? He made it to the league, that's all that matters. ⁓ Nolan: Yeah. He's probably in Hawaii right now. He's like, I wasn't even told there were OTAs. Like what? That would suck. KayOhKnee: Yeah He's like ⁓ We got Jared first He's like, We got Jared first They're like No, we got Jared first He's like, What do mean? ⁓ poor Dylan You know what I mean? Anyway ⁓ Nolan: Wait, was was that wait was that a real post about the Jersey thing? I can't tell if that's a meme or not. KayOhKnee: You know what's funny. See now the AI, the you know what I mean? There's so much s I can't tell anywhere. I mean, but to be fair, you know what I mean? Like 'cause he's he shouldn't have to ask you. I'm just saying You only ask people who actually matter and are gonna be on the roster and I'm just kidding. Anyway, ⁓ made it to the league, you know what I mean? Nolan: I know. He's like I didn't he didn't even ask me for it. He just came in and wore the number. I was like, what? ⁓ shout out you, Jared Verse. Damn. Shout out to the boy though. KayOhKnee: ⁓ sh shout out to him for helping out the Millilani High School team because they look great in their new uniforms. Anyway, ⁓ at 39 I have Michael Penix. Again, like you said, I don't really I'm not excited about drafting him. Honestly, I might even fade him completely out of the tears just because I don't really want it any part of him. And then my final one here, who I I mean I was like, maybe we're both big homers here, but I definitely have Will Howard here as my last overall. ⁓ to me it's like s Nolan: Mm-hmm. Mm. You already know. KayOhKnee: It's similar to the Ty Simpson situation where like it is like rocket to the moon if he gets a start. And everything in training camp, that kid has been undoubtedly much improved from where he was when he first entered the league. He took a lot of the notes, has been very coachable. The coaching staff loves him. If he gets a start at any point in time and Aaron Rodgers is down for even a little bit, I'm I'm definitely taking big swings on Will Howard. So ⁓ anyway, that'll finish out the quarterback ⁓ tiers and you know, if your quarterback wasn't mentioned during all of this, I mean we're we're forty quarterbacks deep, so you know what I mean? That shit exactly. So moving on to the running back position, tier five, Nolan. ⁓ first and foremost, what numbers do you have for this tier specifically? Nolan: Hm. That should tell you a lie. ⁓ I did some adjusting I think before the pod. So I'm at fifty six. So forty four to fifty six. KayOhKnee: Okay, I'm not yeah, you know what? Okay. I I feel better now. I'm not super off from where you are. I was like I thought I would be like way Nolan: I'm wondering if it's like maybe I balanced out 'cause I think I I think I did have more tier fours than you did at some points. So maybe like it's balancing out like a little bit. KayOhKnee: You you had one more no, you had actually one ⁓ Nolan: ⁓ okay. I don't know. KayOhKnee: Yeah. ⁓ yeah, anyway. My my tier four ended at forty four. So that's I don't know. ⁓ the math isn't mathing in my head right now. But anyway, what were you saying? Go ahead. Nolan: Who knows? ⁓ so first one up now this could be moved up. Alvin Kamara. ⁓ he hasn't necessarily said he's returning, but he is someone that if he returns, he makes a difference. ⁓ even though they do have Etienne there. I'm not calling you Etienne, I already said that. Etienne's there. ⁓ I think that duo is gonna be a really strong duo for this this kind of young and upcoming team. ⁓ so I do think that no matter what, once he signs, or not re signs, but he returns, or if he opts for a trade, regardless of a team he goes to, I think he's making a difference. next, you know, I have these two here, and these two may be shifted down just because of the ⁓ the notoriety that the now KayOhKnee: I like that. Nolan: running back one has been getting. ⁓ Manuel Wilson and George Holani. ⁓ I have them back to back. I I think that regardless, these are two running backs who have been in the league, so they are up to speed with the game. They know a little bit more. Jadarian Price. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. This is this these are two that I was really KayOhKnee: tiers are definitely gonna be way different. No, this is yeah, no. But this is where it's gonna get weird because the there's like so many that's what that's what I was asking you before we got on the pod is like Nolan: Yeah. KayOhKnee: How you dwindled it down because when I was looking, there's like probably thirty names here that could be like maybe, you know what I mean? Maybe I'll draft them at the end of the you know what I mean? But so I yeah, okay. Nah, I like I like the direction you're going. I think you and I went both different directions, but I I like where your head is at right now. So keep going, sorry. Nolan: Yeah. ⁓ then next I got Nicholas Singleton. ⁓ mainly it's because I don't like Pollard. So this guy he's coming in to to to be that kind of relief, but I think he could take running back one by the end of season if Pollard doesn't randomly have a what was it, a three touchdown game at the end of the s in the middle of the season like he did last year. ⁓ Dylan Sampson is next. I think that he has a a nice secure spot as the backup. KayOhKnee: Same. Same. Yeah. Nolan: ⁓ right now it's a judkins and once again this is a very young team these two young running backs came in together I think that's gonna be really fun to see how this whole offense plays out for this ⁓ for this franchise. Next I got Chris Rodriguez. ⁓ You know, ⁓ we we we have kinda put a some some stake in Tutin and I agree that Tutin should be the running back one, but Chris Rodriguez may get a little bit more love than he did when he was with the commanders. ⁓ and I think this is an offense that he has that opportunity to do, especially with Liam Cohen there. Are there a lot of cooks in the kitchen overall? Yes. But in a high powered offense, everyone gets to eat. So This is probably something. Maybe he is a a goal linebacker. Maybe he does have a little bit more flair here and there. Maybe design run plays. Who knows? I am looking at Chris Rodriguez as one of those late, late round picks. ⁓ Tyrone Tracy, he's there just ⁓ in this tier, mainly as because it's Cam Scadabow, you know. ⁓ KayOhKnee: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Nolan: If the young gun can figure out his health and make sure he protects himself when he runs and it's not just me run ball here to there. I think that yeah, it it probably it probably will be. ⁓ so if you get Tyrone Tracy in a much later round as kind of your backup running back, you are gonna hold him all season long, if we're being honest. I think that this is going to be ⁓ a big boon for anyone if there's any missed games for Cam Scadabow. KayOhKnee: It's gonna be that. Yeah. Yeah. Nolan: ⁓ next on this I got Tank Bigsby. ⁓ I think that Tank Bigsby is a nice spell for for ⁓ Saquon. ⁓ he showed a lot when he was with Jacksonville. The only other competition he has is Shipley, but I don't necessarily have a lot of stake in Shipley. ⁓ he looked good in some flashes, but I I think Tank Bigsby is the better back. ⁓ and Saquon, you he w he doesn't hmm. KayOhKnee: Why you say that? I was just like, why do you say that? Nolan: got more field time, you know. Not Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, ⁓ KayOhKnee: Not enough flavor to you know. Nolan: The what? ⁓ shut up. I I think if we get the Saquon a Saquon that's in between his yard re ⁓ yard record breaking season and the Saquon we had last season, that's a good Saquon to have. ⁓ but regardless if it doesn't end up being that you have Tank Bigsby to kinda assist with that. It's gonna be a much different offense than it was last year. So I think that's enough to let me know that Tank could have some love. ⁓ These next few guys, you know, I'm gonna move a couple of them up right now. First one I'm moving up is Kamani Vidal. ⁓ mainly because he showed a lot in the absence of Amarian Hampton. I think he deserves to have that running back two position. ⁓ and I think he can actually do that in this offense. Hoping Amarian stays healthy, but I think the discrepancy in where I have Amarian and where I have Kamani in this le ⁓ list tells you everything you need to know. next, yeah. KayOhKnee: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I'm with you. So yeah. Nolan: Next, I have Braylon Allen. Now, they just paid Brees. Brees looks like he's going to be coming out as the running back one Brees, full steam ahead. But Braylon Allen, in the same descriptor that I gave for Amari and Hampton and Kamani Bidal, I'm giving for Brees Hall and Braylon Allen. That's why you're taking Braylon Allen late. KayOhKnee: I like that. Nolan: The next three are kind of debatable in how they could be used. Tajay Spears with the Tennessee Titans, I think he's gonna get phased out. But he may be utilized in the beginning of the season just based off of yeah, just based off of loyalty for him being with the program. He may start the season and then be on a very short leash. ⁓ after that I got KayOhKnee: Agree wholeheartedly on that one. As you'll see with my tear. Yeah. Nolan: Brian Robinson Jr., who is now joining B. John Robinson Jr. on the Atlanta Falcons. ⁓ we we are Brian Robinson fans here. I I think it's fair to say that we're Bryan Robinson fans. He's a strong runner, and he just was overshadowed by being traded to ⁓ the ⁓ why I was about to say Giants, not the Giants, ⁓ the Niners. And KayOhKnee: Time Skippy. Mm-hmm. Nolan: I think he didn't get his due. I don't know what possessed him to be like, hey, let me just go sign behind Bajon Robinson now. ⁓ it seems like you're you're trading you're half a dozen of one six of the other. Like it it didn't really make sense. But you know, if he if he gets the Algiers treatment with Atlanta, he has ⁓ he has a role on a roster. And I think that's that's all you really need to know. ⁓ and then last on this list, I don't even know why I have him on this list. I might just drop him off. ⁓ you know what I'm gonna trade him I'm gonna trade a guy that we've been talking about just for the poop and giggles of it all. ⁓ I'm moving up Jonathan I know, I know, but ⁓ you know, I had a KayOhKnee: That sounds worse. Like just don't even use the saying that was the poopin' giggles. Nolan: I'm moving up Jonathan Brooks to round out my list. KayOhKnee: Wow, okay. I didn't realize yeah, he I did just realize you didn't even have him said until just now. Nolan: And ⁓ I don't know why I had Trey Benson there, but you're gone, Trey Benson. ⁓ he's n he's no longer a thought. I'm sorry, buddy. I thank you for your service. ⁓ but forget you dog. KayOhKnee: Yeah. Later by yeah. Yeah. Yeah, ⁓ we definitely went some different directions with these tiers. and as this kinda has been my theme for a lot of the tiers, I like this I like to think of this tier as like one where I'm taking swings 'cause more than likely this is like rounds well, if you're in like a deeper, deeper league like us, it'll probably be rounds like twelve through sixteen. So to me this is like where I'm gonna be like Nolan: That's interesting though. Cause I would say like I feel like my tier four would be my swings and my tier five would be as like the the floor play just in case my swing doesn't pan out. KayOhKnee: Yeah. Why? That's no, I like that strat. I mean that's I think that's undoubtedly like a sh way to go with sh ⁓ with your strategy. So I feel like that's probably we're just like opposite in the way we were drafting this. ⁓ 'cause this was probably be like those late rounds, which I feel like a lot of people are gonna be skipping on. And a lot of these guys that I'm gonna mention, they're kind of like in that elite handcuff realm. For us, you know, we're sixteen rounds deep for our draft, which if you're Nolan: No. KayOhKnee: you know, doing a draft, I would recommend. Definitely make it a deeper draft. It's just more fun. You know what I mean? More players you can talk about, more players you can kind of look at. But ⁓ yeah, for us, I feel like it makes sense to like maybe have a, if not one or two of these handcuffs, on your team. But anyway, to start off the rip, I do s I do have at the top of this tier Dylan Sampson. sorry. ⁓ as far as Quinchon Judkins is concerned Still buying very high on his upside. I think this ⁓ Cleveland team in general has improved much ⁓ from this offseason. Dylan Sampson is undoubtedly the number two now. They traded or or they let Jerome Ford walk in free agency. To me, this is like a wide open landscape for him. He's undoubtedly the number two. I do think that he's gonna be the ⁓ catch p or catch pessing pass catching back for this team. So I think that there's there's a lot to like about Dylan Sampson's game. ⁓ if you had him last year you saw that it just came in spurts and then it kinda disappeared. But as far as receptions are concerned, especially if you're in like a half PPR league, I think that this will be, you know, a very interesting spot to grab him. ⁓ right after him I do have Brian Robinson Junior. Everything you mentioned already, he's undoubtedly the elitist of elite handcuffs here. because if Bijan goes down, I mean he is a starting caliber back right behind Bijan. So in my opinion, probably the guy that I'm gonna take early swings on if I can get him, ⁓ just because he is that high of a handcuff for me. ⁓ on top of that, like you mentioned already, if it is the Algier role, I mean that's still somebody that you can start on a, you know, really deep roster, especially for us. We have ten starters, so you know, or eleven starters. would undoubtedly, you know, throw Brian Robinson Jr. out there if I needed somebody in my flex. So I do like him here. ⁓ right after that is Kimani Vidal. I'm with you as far as like it's Kimani Vidal and it's not gonna be ⁓ who's the guy that they keep talking about? Keaton Mitchell. I know they signed him. I know it's it's the other Harbaugh brother. But to me, like y you s we saw what we got out of Kimani last year. He obviously had Nolan: Keaton Mitchell, yeah. KayOhKnee: You know what I mean? Literally like up, down, up, down. But to me, like yeah, you know, that's I was like No, yeah, yeah, exactly. So I like for everything that he you know, all the downs, the ups were very high. He won you weeks, so to me that's somebody that you want on your roster. I know it's gonna be Omarion Hampton no matter what, but if he does go down, if he does have to nurse that injury that he had last year at any point in time. Nolan: I know. Hey, but I got first in league, so I'll take Kamani. KayOhKnee: Kiamani to me s seems like he's gonna be the guy to hold on and roster. ⁓ after that, I do have Nick Singleton. I believed wholeheartedly that he was gonna be the guy that took over this backfield. I still believe that. I know they're gonna try to trot out Tony Pollard for a little bit. I agree wholeheartedly that Tajay Spears is f phased out of this offense. That's why I don't even have him in this tier. They finally brought him back last year after all the hype waiting on him to come back and he didn't really do much. So to me, Nick Singleton has a wide open landscape to be the guy for Tennessee. So really hoping he can take over eventually. He's the guy, he's another guy that like fifteen, sixteen round for us. I'm grabbing him and hoping that I can hold on to him long enough where he gets a start eventually. ⁓ after that I have Tank Bigsby. Again, similar tier as Brian Robinson Jr. as far as handcuff status. I think that If Saquon goes down, Tank Bigsby is gonna be somebody that everyone's gonna try to roster. Why not get him earlier on your roster before he's, you know, the if you're especially if you're in like a fab league, that's gonna be like 100% of your fab if Saquon has any sort of injury this year. So ⁓ after that, Emmanuel Wilson. ⁓ agree with you about everything with Seattle. The situation is still up in the air, but I mean Jadaran Price looks like he's likely gonna be starting for them. With that said though. Nolan: Mm-hmm. KayOhKnee: I do feel like this could be a split backfield. ⁓ as far as what I know everybody's talking the Clint Kubiak offense and all this sort of stuff, that has changed around a little bit. They've talked about how Seattle is probably still gonna be doing the, you know, non workhorse back situation where they'll just have a split backfield. Emmanuel Wilson showed that he can be really, really good for Green Bay. I think that that he's gonna just be the guy to spell ⁓ Jadarian ⁓ the most in this offense. ⁓ after him I do have Isaiah Pacheco. I'm not excited about that name, but I put him here just because he's gonna be the number two. You know what I mean? Like if if Gibbs goes down, like it feels like he's gonna be the guy that has to like play for them. But even if that is the case, I'm still not really I'm still not super, super excited about Isaiah Pacheco, but he's here. ⁓ James Conner after him, again, he's gonna be the number two behind, you know, Jeremiah Love. Nolan: Brucey's time to shine. KayOhKnee: Who knows how long he'll be on this team. I I still imagine a scenario where he like he gets traded to like the Seahawks or something. Like to me that feels like something that could happen where he just gets moved because he's a senior he's like a guy who can still start for somebody. I just I just don't like him here in in Arizona. I don't like the Arizona backfield in general. ⁓ anyway. Moving on past that, Braylon Allen. Love his spot. Loved everything you said. Not gonna add any more to that. Zach Charbonnet follows him. Charbonnet is yeah, exactly. Charbonnet I have here just because if he ever like as is the case with a lot of these like recoveries, if he somehow pops up, shows up, and is available. But more than that, if you have an IR spot, you know what I mean? Throw that boy on there, let him sit there, marinate for a little bit. Maybe he's there all year for you. Who knows? We'll see. ⁓ Nolan: Is he gonna be KayOhKnee: I do have K Tron Allen following that for the Washington Commanders. ⁓ everything that has come out about Catron, it sounds like he's a guy who could end up taking over the number two role if Bill doesn't show up any better during training camp. ⁓ they really like what they've got out of Rashad White. They use some draft capital on Catron. This feels like a situation that could turn hostile before it gets any better for Bill. I feel like Katron is undoubtedly a better. Nolan: Mm-hmm. KayOhKnee: running back right now than Bill. We'll see how Washington feels about him, but he's somebody that I'd be willing to take a swing on. ⁓ after that, Mike Washington for Las Vegas. He's gonna be the number two. They didn't bring in any veteran guys to back up Ashton Genty. I think Mike Washington was a really, really good running back in college. He's a guy that I'd really like to maybe snag if I do get Ashton Genty in the earlier rounds because I feel like he'd be a really, really good combo to have with him as as my handcuff guy. ⁓ so Mike Washington I have here at 56. Right after that is Emmett Johnson for the Kansas City Chiefs. Kansas City, you know what I mean? The Brashard Smith situation doesn't really seem like it's anything to really, really worry about because they kind of saw what they had out of Brashard Smith last year. It wasn't great. You know what I mean? ⁓ I know Kareem Hunt is still floating out there, so we don't even know if he's gonna be on a team Could be back with KC. Who knows? It seems like that's something that always happens. They wait until the last movement to just bring back Kareem Hunt. With that said though, Emmett Johnson to me is a better running back than Brashard Smith. He fits this KC system a whole lot better. He could be the one that spells Kenneth Walker. And if that is the case, that is somebody I'm taking heavy swings on because if Kenneth Walker does go down at any point, that's the guy I'm gonna want. ⁓ especially in a KC offense. After that, I do have Alvin Kamara. The situation with him is so weird for me. Sorry, what did you say? Nolan: He is. I think Hunt already has re signed. KayOhKnee: ⁓ he did resign with them. Nolan: As of today, yeah. I mean as of today he addressed the media and he was just like, I think we got a strong running back room. I was like, All right, well you must be in the room then. All right, cool. KayOhKnee: ⁓ ⁓ so all right. Okay. Well then. I guess that does s slight I I will also say though, I was like I like I like him better than, you know, sort of the the Kareem Hunt's of the world. ⁓ I know K Kareem Hunt's feels like a guy that's never going away, but if I wanna take it swing at somebody who could like really take over the backfield, Emmett Johnson's the guy that I feel like stands out the most. Nolan: That solidifies your your statements. KayOhKnee: ⁓ after that it's Alvin Camara. I'm not gonna lie, I don't really like that situation at all. I put him in here just because it's Alvin Camaro and you can't really disrespect him and not draft him or not have him in your tiers somewhere. ⁓ but to be quite honest, like it feels like it's gonna be Etienne. If they believed in Alvin Camara even a little bit, it would have just been Alvin Camaro. You know what mean? So all that said, very sad to hear that Alvin Camara could, you know, undoubtedly not even play this year. moving on past that, Jalen Wright. I do think that he is gonna be the number two behind ⁓ Devon A Chan in Miami. ⁓ again, somebody that I wanna have heavy stock in because A Chan is pretty injury prone. That's a guy that I do like having in case he does go down. ⁓ I know a lot of people are like riding on Ollie Gordon as being the guy. I just think Jalen Wright is much more dynamic. Oli Gordon is more of a straight line, run it down your throat kind of guy. Jalen Wright can do more things. ⁓ so I like Jalen Wright here. Nolan: Yeah. KayOhKnee: You convinced me to put Tyrone Tracy in here. I don't like that name at all. I don't like him I don't like drafting him at all, but yeah. Anywhere, yeah. I was like, as a handcuff though, sure. then after him I have Ray Davis for Buffalo. You know, James Cook has been like the epitome of like consistent and always been there and always playing for the team. But if he goes down, Ray Davis is a guy that is Nolan: I don't like him here, I don't like him there, I don't like him anywhere. KayOhKnee: Undoubtedly a top tier handcuff because he always performs every time he's out there. So and then the final swing that I have here, which is probably the most far fetched because we already know the situation with this backfield, is Damon Claiborne. ⁓ a lot of people like this guy a lot, and the more I watch him, the more I'm intrigued by him. ⁓ the Jordan Mason Aaron Jordan situation in Minnesota is one that's gonna be playing out very, you know, up and down all season. I think that there's a good possibility that if Aaron Jones is even a step slow or step behind, Claiborne could be the guy who ends up backing up Jordan Mason ⁓ in this backfield and we might see just sort of a weird situation where we have a veteran running back that isn't playing, similar to the James Conner situation. So Nolan: Mm. KayOhKnee: You know, new blood, new team, Kyler Murray. Who knows how it all plays out? But I do like Clayborne a lot and he's gonna be the guy that I have here at the very bottom of this tier. Before we move on, because obviously there's a lot of names that like don't get put into these tiers. Anybody that you have is sort of a like a on the cusp, you know what I mean, situation? Because we're at the end of the tier, so I guess we could talk about that now. Anybody that you had here that was kind of like Nolan: Yeah. KayOhKnee: Just outside that could be, but you're not sure. We're pretty deep into the r you know, the rosters at this point, so obviously you're not really, but somebody that could pop off that's not mentioned already. Nolan: Yeah yeah yeah yeah. The only two I have, and they're both from the same team, and it's it's mainly for handcuffed purposes only. ⁓ No, actually. ⁓ and this would have to be kind of in a series of events that have to unfold first. ⁓ it's Devin Neal and Kendrick Miller with New Orleans Saints. If I'm all Alvin Kamara does not come back, or if he gets traded, these two guys had to step up as starting running backs last season. KayOhKnee: San Fran. ⁓ I thought I was gonna Okay. Yeah. Nolan: Are they anything special? No, Kendra Miller is supposed to be, but y the injuries kind of are just derailed his pro ⁓ his trajectory. ⁓ if I had to choose between the two, I'd probably take Kendra over Devin Neal. ⁓ but that's just gonna be dependent on how that kind of goes. The other one is technically Najee Harris is still with the Chargers. I think so, right? KayOhKnee: Yeah. Is he? I thought it wasn't rostered anymore. Nolan: Let me double check. KayOhKnee: 'Cause that would mean they'd have four and he's the fourth. ⁓ okay. All right. Gotcha. Nolan: He's unsigned. I was wrong. I I stand corrected. Forget Najee Harris then. ⁓ but yeah, that th those KayOhKnee: But you know what's funny though? On the flip side of that though, if he gets signed, I mean, he's not you know what I mean, he's not a not non factor. So I feel like he would be somebody that like could take over a starting position if a team really needs somebody like Seattle. I'm just saying, putting that out there. ⁓ would also wouldn't mind seeing Trey Benson getting traded there. That's another guy that could be starting somewhere else if in the right situation. Anyway. Nolan: Yeah, yeah. Give ⁓ a shot. KayOhKnee: The one that I do I did want to or I guess the two that I want to mention was the San Francisco guys. ⁓ because I mean, y you have to have his handcuff, right? Like you have to. Because similarly to like last year, I had Brian Robinson Jr. Everybody wanted Brian Robinson Jr., but nobody wanted to hold him on their roster. I was the unfortunate person who had to hold him on my roster because I knew the moment I dropped him somebody was gonna scoop him up as the most elite of elite handcuffs. The Jordan James, Kalen Black situation to me feels like something that could be playing out in a similar fashion because it's like undoubtedly you should have one of them rostered. To me, I'm leaning more towards James because he showed a little bit more last year. But You know what I mean? I'm not excited about putting them in my tiers and I also don't like drafting those guys. I'm just saying they could be like early season pickups, which, you know, could technically be in your tiers. But anyway, let's move over to the wide receiver position. Nolan, tier five. What numbers do you have in tier five here for you? 'Cause this is the one that Uhhuh. ⁓ boy. Nolan: Mm. This is number forty five to fifty six. You have a lot more, don't you? KayOhKnee: I don't wanna say Nolan: I will I'll I'll give you this. I'll have I have four that I had on the cusp that I didn't move up. ⁓ KayOhKnee: That's still not even close to her. I had four more, I'm like four more would still put me at like ten more than you. Nolan: Alright, then we're gonna have we're gonna have to we're gonna have to bang these out. Alright, alright. I'll I'll do five. ⁓ god, okay. ⁓ what the heck, man how big is the tear KayOhKnee: I'm just saying, Nolan: We should just do a whole separate segment. Kioni's tier five only of wide receivers. all right, I'll try to get through this quickly and efficiently. Zachariah Branch with Atlanta starting off my tier five. now that Mooney's gone, you're gonna need a clear two. And coming into this, he's he looked really good in training rookie training camp as well as OTAs. ⁓ or mini camp not training camp. ⁓ Khalil Shakur. KayOhKnee: Yeah. ⁓ Go ahead, girl. Mm-hmm. Nolan: You know, we we talked about DJ Moore. He's not gonna be the the prime DJ Moore of years past. ⁓ but he is gonna be a threat. But I don't think that's gonna really shift away from Khalil Shakir's efficiency as that short range kind of mid c ⁓ midfield player. ⁓ and they have they have chemistry. So it it's I think he's still something that you can vie on for that. ⁓ Jordan Tyson, next one I got. ⁓ KayOhKnee: Mm-hmm. Nolan: I've talked about it. Saints are a young, good looking team with Chuck ⁓ in center, and you have Olave, and Tyson has shown some great great things during ⁓ OTAs as well. I'm buying some stock. He's gonna be someone that I'm looking to I guess technically this is my swing play and if if anything. ⁓ next on that I got Darnell Mooney. We don't know what the status of neighbors is. They they got rid of Ron Wandale Robinson. This is KayOhKnee: Mm-hmm. Nolan: a good handcuff to have for this offense, I think. ⁓ it's gonna be weird because I don't think Slayton's gonna be much of a threat for for his position. ⁓ but it's gonna be it's a wait and see. ⁓ so a lot of things have to kinda happen for Mooney to kind of even be bumped up higher, but he is a strong handcuff to take. Next I got Jameson Williams. Is it blasphemous to take him this late? Maybe, but he's probably gonna be there this late in the rounds too so I think that's just gonna be kind of dependent on you guys, what you're seeing, how this Lions team actually shows up. ⁓ is Dolph gonna have time to find Jamison Williams down the field? We'll see. ⁓ Ricky Pearsall, he is he's a pseudo wide receiver. Yeah, he's a pseudo wide receiver one for this team. I think I should move him up, but Mike Evans being there changes things. But Mike Evans is also very injury prone, so Ricky Pearsall can shoot to the moon after that as well. KayOhKnee: Whoa. Nolan: ⁓ Romeo Dobbs, he's moved down, I think, a bit since the last time we did these tiers. That's just because AJ Brown is now there. ⁓ but he's still a strong receiver. between him and AJ Brown, I think there's gonna be plenty of of ⁓ routes and shares to go around. ⁓ after him I have Xavier Worthy. Only reason I have him I mean I did have him near the end, if not off the list. Only reason I have him moved up now is because there have been a lot of good things coming out of ⁓ OTAs that he's been doing really well. ⁓ so I think that's that says a lot, especially if you want this guy to take a a jump forward this season. Jaden Higgins is next. You know, Houston. That's really all I gotta say. that's really it. ⁓ After that, I kinda kinda have these two stacked back to back. It's Matthew Golden, Jaden Reed. I think I'm gonna switch. It's gonna be Jaden Reed and then Matthew Golden. ⁓ Matthew Golden really hasn't shown much in his rookie season. So I would like to see that kind of ⁓ growth first as we enter this new season. So Jaden Reed's gonna be that guy because he's reliable for this offense. ⁓ and then Matthew Golden, hopefully he can take some steps as well. ⁓ and then last on my list, I have Rasheed Shahid for Seattle. ⁓ he came in last season, did what he He needed to do exactly for this offense. He re-signed again this year. I think that's for a reason. ⁓ JSN is probably gonna be covered in man a lot, if not like a weird zone c double coverage. Rashid Shaheed should have a lot of deep field bombs that ⁓ not why why why am I f what Sam what does Darnold? ⁓ my god, I was gonna say Sam Bradford. No. ⁓ Sam Darnold. Yeah, sorry. ⁓ Darn KayOhKnee: Whoa Sam Bradford. I was like, Were you even watching football when Sam Bradford was playing? Nolan: And he can find him downfield. Yeah. Sorry about that, everybody. Apparently I watched enough to know the name, so ⁓ KayOhKnee: Did you did you throw ⁓ did you have Travis Hunter in any of your tiers? ⁓ okay. ⁓ okay, I wasn't sure. Nolan: That's what I was gonna get to next. These are the four five names, I guess you could say, that were just outside my tier five. Travis Hunter is the first one on the list because they said they're using him as a full-time cornerback and part-time wide receiver. It's hard for me to want to roster him and have to put myself in that. KayOhKnee: Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah. Nolan: stressful position week to week. Do I play him? Do I not play him? What if this is the game he only gets like 30% route participation? And then you're just kind of shooting yourself in the foot. If more comes out, I can move him up. But right now it's it's not a risk I really want to take. But yeah, I I understand if people do that in the late, late rounds, final round where you just kinda need like a filler who maybe your free agency drop an ad throughout the season, that's fine to take him 'cause he he could be someone who ends up being a a complete ⁓ boom for you. next to Shamir Deke and Jalen Coker. KayOhKnee: No, I feel that. Yeah. Nolan: Jameer Deke is because we, you know, you sent me that post and it it got my ears turning a little bit. It's like he he was kind of the more reliable wide receiver last season. ⁓ I think that's something that could be played into this season now that they kind of have a re-vitalized look on how this team's gonna play. ⁓ Jalen Coker just re-signed a a new contract extension. I think that says a lot for Carolina. I think Jalen Coker got some. KayOhKnee: Mm-hmm. Nolan: Good love last season, but still there ⁓ still there to be that kind of wide receiver two, ⁓ permanently behind Tet. So that's gonna be something that we keep out for. ⁓ next three are just because or I guess technically the next one he has signed. So Juwan Jennings with Minnesota. You know, he's a good w wide receiver, but you're you're behind Jettaz and you're behind Addison. It's really hard for me to support rostering you, ⁓ unless KayOhKnee: And maybe even Hawkinson, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? Yeah. Mhm. Nolan: Maybe even Hawkinson too, yeah. ⁓ and then the last two are Stefan Diggs and Debo Samuels, and that's just because based off of whether they sign somewhere specific or not. They're just on the cusp. They have a lot left of ⁓ in their in their bodies to play the game. I don't think this is is by any means the end of their careers. I just need to see where they're signing. And that'll do it. KayOhKnee: Yeah, you know so I adjusted the tiers a little bit because I'm gonna be completely honest, I had like forty eight through like seventy six or something like that. So I I tempered my my tiers a little bit. Now it's forty eight through sixty five, so it's not quite as, you know, drastic as it was before. ⁓ with that said, you know, ⁓ these are the names again, similarly to like my strategy with the running back group. Nolan: BOR! KayOhKnee: A lot of guys in here that I want to take swings on. You know what I mean? There's gonna be some guys that I feel like just from an upside standpoint, whether it's them possibly stepping into a wide receiver one role or them possibly stepping into like a a defined wide receiver two role, that's why I like these guys here. so anyway, let's start off the top. Zachariah Branch, that was my number one at the top of this tier as well. I'm buying so hard on what his talent is. I I really liked him coming out of college. ⁓ I really liked what he could do on the field. He is a little bit smaller, so there is that kind of part of him. But that being said, all the signs are pointing to this guy just shooting up draft boards because, you know, Tuatiloa has a really good rapport with him. He already mentioned that he's very similar to Jalen Waddle in his sort of like on field stuff. ⁓ Nolan: Mm-hmm. KayOhKnee: He's a speedster. He's got great hands. He's, you know, really stout for a guy who's a little bit shorter. ⁓ but all that points to the fact that like they don't have an established two over there in Atlanta. I really like him, ⁓ in Atlanta, ⁓ with that offense. So after that, I do have Antonio Williams, ⁓ Washington Commanders. ⁓ a guy that I'm gonna be taking swings on specifically this year because of him being just behind Terry McLaurin in this offense. I don't think that there's anybody else that can really step up in front of him. Outside of the possible rumors of him maybe getting Brandon Ayuk in this offense. We'll see if that plays out. I know that's been heavily rumored. Brandon Ayuk apparently stopped following everybody but the Washington Commanders or something like that on social media. ⁓ all that said, I do like Antonio Williams. They drafted him with some, you know, solid stock. ⁓ and They really don't have anybody outside of like the Luke McCaffreys of the world who I'm not really super sold on as being like the guy. If they were the guy, you know what I mean? They would have been the guy last year and nobody really established themselves in the void that was, you know, post Terry McLaurin. after that, I do have Casey Concepcion. ⁓ he's a first on draft pick. You know what mean? Like Cleveland spent a first round draft pick on a guy they think is going to be a big part of their future. Nolan: That's a good point, yeah. KayOhKnee: They also drafted another guy in Denzel Boston, who a lot of people felt like was going to be a first round draft pick, and they used a second round draft pick on him. So as you'll see, Denzel Boston actually is at the end of this tier for me, specifically because we don't know who's starting a quarterback for Cleveland. But with that said, I do believe that they are gonna be heavily focusing on Casey Concepcion as their number one. Denzel Boston to me fits more of like the X mold, so he's gonna be a guy that you can throw out there in two wide receiver sets. We don't even know what the th the situation with Jerry Judy is gonna be. ⁓ he's saying all the right things, he's doing the right things, he's playing pretty well in trading camp. But even with all that, the team is clearly getting younger. If they find a situation where they can maybe trade Jerry Judy for something and there's a team that needs a wide receiver, I wouldn't be surprised if they pull the trigger, you know what mean? and if the draft stock says anything, I mean you put a number one draft pick on Casey Concepcion, you're expecting that guy to be your future wide receiver one at some point. So, ⁓ that's why I have him here. After that, I this is gonna be a little bit surprising because you just talked about how he's not even signed, but I have Stefan Diggs here. I am firmly on the train that he's gonna be either a Los Angeles Ram or a Baltimore Raven. Specifically if he lands on the Rams, I think that he usurps Devontae Adams from a touch perspective because I do think that he is still a lot more mobile, can Nolan: ⁓ yeah. KayOhKnee: you know, be used in different situations whereas Yeah. ⁓ yeah, no, really though, really though. And we know that Matt Stafford can support three wide receivers if he needs to. And I just I really like the landing spot if he goes there. Honestly though, if it isn't there and it ends up being like I mean Baltimore for one. I'm a little less excited about Baltimore, but I still have him here because if he lands somewhere in a winning situation Nolan: ⁓ my god. KayOhKnee: He's gonna undoubtedly push for wide receiver one or two on that team. And I just wanna have stock in him before you know people start drafting him or earlier or whatever, later, or whatever the case might be. ⁓ after that is Matthew Golden, Jaden Reed. I had the two of them back to back just like that, with Matthew Golden ahead. ⁓ really based on nothing but the fact that they drafted him very high. They have a high draft stock in Matthew Golden. Last year he was a rookie, they were still feeling things out. They did move off of Deva ⁓ Dontavian Wicks and Romeo Dobbs. So I feel like the role for Matthew Golden opened up ⁓ tremendously. Jaden Reed is undoubtedly like their slot guy. But if Matthew Golden can show even a little bit of the promise that he had when he came into the league, to me he is a guy who's gonna skyrocket up these rankings because Jordan Love Nolan: Mm-hmm. KayOhKnee: As we know, like we're not super in love with the Green Bay Packers, and I'm not super in love with Jordan Love as a quarterback in general. But he's still tremendously talented. So if he can establish something with Matthew Golden and, you know, they can really figure out a role for him, I think that he's somebody that could undoubtedly have a breakout season this year ⁓ for the Green Bay Packers. Especially Sands, those two guys no longer being there. ⁓ right after that is Khalil Shakir. He's wide receiver two behind DJ Moore. He is like the most safe floor player of all safe floor players. Never once in a league has he not been drafted and not been somebody who is can help your team. He's one of those guys that I really love targeting in the later rounds, especially now that he's dropping even further because he's no longer the wide receiver one for this team. I love the value for him. He's a guy I really want to take swings on. After that, I have Jaden Higgins. To me, the talent doesn't match Nolan: Mm-hmm. KayOhKnee: the team, the situation. You know what mean? If he had a quarterback that I was super confident in, he'd probably be way higher than this. I I just don't like I don't I don't like CG Stroud at all. I think he's trash. ⁓ after him, Omar Cooper Jr. ⁓ he's a guy that again, very high stock. First round draft pick used on Omar Cooper Jr. ⁓ or first round? Yeah, it was first one because they Nolan: I don't think it was first round. Was it? KayOhKnee: Yeah, 'cause they drafted Kenyon, Sadiq, and Omar Cooper Jr. in the first round. So right? Or is he second round? Nolan: Let's see. KayOhKnee: I feel like it was because cause I was like, ⁓ the Steelers can grab him in the second and he was already gone. Was it the first round? Omar Cooper Jr. Okay, well even that, if my memory is serving me correctly, and he was a first round draft pick, again, New York Jets. Okay, sorry, okay. He was picked. I was gonna say 'cause like I remember there being like a weird wide receiver run at the end of the first round. So again, Omar Cooper Jr. Nolan: You keep going, I'll f I'll figure it out. ⁓ yeah, he was pick thirty. Yeah. KayOhKnee: Somebody who was a top tier target for ⁓ Fernando Mendoza in Indiana, somebody that has really, really high upside, somebody that I was drafted in the first round for a New York Jets squad that is damn near brand new. I think that he takes over the role that Adonai Mitchell had just purely based on the fact that like now you have a guy who is locked in for years to come. You know, Adonai Mitchell is Yeah, really though. ⁓ Nolan: Here's a guy. KayOhKnee: I really like his talent. I really like his fit here with the New York Jets. ⁓ I think on coupled with the fact that they have, you know, Garrett Wilson who is gonna take pressure off of him, I really like him in the system. So I'm I'm picking up Omar Cooper Jr. if I can at the end of drafts. ⁓ after this is Romeo Dobbs, somebody that I had to drop a lot because obviously the AJ Brown situation changed things, you know what I mean? So a lot, a lot. So Nolan: A lot. KayOhKnee: ⁓ with that said though, Romeo Dobbs will still undoubtedly be the wide receiver two in this group. ⁓ it feels like they've pushed Mac Hollins and Keyshawn Booty kind of out the door ⁓ with him being added to the team. So ⁓ Romeo Dobbs here. Jalen Coker after that. Again, what you said, number two, Carolina offense. Just not sure what Bryce Young could do, so that's why I have him here. Again, talent doesn't match the quarterback situation. Yeah. Nolan: We believe in you, Bryce? KayOhKnee: After that, Xavier Worthy, I do have him way down here. ⁓ he could go very high up if Rasheed Rice has any sort of lingering issues with the legal stuff or you know, the can't get off the weed stuff or whatever, you know what mean? but for right now I still have him here. The weed yeah, like legit, like you can he paid millions just play football. Good lord. ⁓ after that I have Elek I am honor. Nolan: Lay off the weed! KayOhKnee: I am drinking the Kool-Aid a little bit. Like I think that he's usurping Calvin really, undoubtedly, in this offense. Like I the talent is there. They drafted him last year as like to be their future wide receiver one. That didn't pan out. You know, the pressure was a little too high. The rookie situation, that wasn't great for him. I think in year two, Alecky Almanor is gonna step up and become sort of the opposite guy for Carnell Tate, which I'm just saying he looks really good at training camp. He's a guy I want to take some swings on if he's available to me. ⁓ after this ⁓ sorry, go ahead. Nolan: You think he's gonna outperform Wandale though? KayOhKnee: I I think I think Juan Dale is a slot guy, like undoubtedly. Like if you have X and Y, like Alec is the Y, you know what I mean? ⁓ Yeah. Why? Yeah. I was trying to match your pitch, but it was like you you went like why why? And I was like I was like I was trying to match it, but then you went off key. So Nolan: Because he'd be the third option, right? Fair, fair. Why? God. ⁓ he's the singer between us both, everybody. KayOhKnee: I tried to I didn't expect you to change it. ⁓ threw me off. Anyway, ⁓ after this I do have the two guys from Las Vegas because it's crazy to me that nobody from Vegas is being drafted at all because somebody has to be the number one, right? Like like it's crazy that they're like way past the draftable rankings. But to me, Trey Tucker and Jalen Naylor, I have them back to back right here. I am Nolan: Brog Bowers. KayOhKnee: You know, as I'm saying it, you know what I'm actually gonna No, no, no, I'm gonna leave it that Never mind. So Tree Tucker Jalen Naylor have they just signed Jalen Naylor. I think Jalen Naylor was supremely underrated. ⁓ coming over from Minnesota because he was the third guy behind two guys who were just elite, you know what mean? I really like his talent and I really think that somebody has to establish them themselves beside besides Brock Bowers. I'm gonna take a swing on somebody because the quarterback situation is much better than it was last year. whether it's Kirk Cousins or Fernando Mendoza. ⁓ after this, I do have again another team that kind of feels like I can't believe nobody is being drafted from them because somebody has to come up and stand out. Malik Washington, Miami Dolphins. He's the number one. They didn't really bring anybody else in. I mean ⁓ they got a couple of rookies that they're gonna feel out this year. Somebody has to get the ball from Malik Willis. Malik Washington feels like the perfect fit 'cause you just have the Malik Ws throwing it to each other. Perfect. You know what I mean? ⁓ after that I have Debo Samuel. Again, I'm drafting Debo similar to the Stefan Diggs situation. I think he's gonna get drafted. It's a matter of where he lands. I know Buffalo is supremely interested in him. Buffalo to me would be like a kind of an ideal situation because Besides Khalil Shakir, who you can still slot out there in, you know, whatever role you want to throw him out there. They really don't have anybody. Keon Coleman is obviously getting faded out of that offense. So and then the final guy I have here is Denzel Boston, which I mentioned earlier. So yeah, on the cusp of this, again, you kind of already mentioned one of them. Travis Hunter was the main one. ⁓ I do have two guys that I kind of like j just barely moved out of this. Like I said, I live kind of adjusted it, but Adonai Mitchell, who showed out for New York last year. I mean, it sucks because he it feels like he's just not gonna get the chance because they did draft Omar Cooper Jr. And I do feel like Omar Cooper Jr. is you know, he's the new blood. Add I Mitchell's gonna have to get re-signed. Are they gonna wanna pay? Three wide receivers, probably not. Garrett wasn't undoubtedly a one. I liked what he did, but it's just not a fit for right now where this team is headed. And then after that is Trey Harris. Trey Harris is somebody that's in an offense that I really, really believe in and that's the Nolan: Mm-hmm. KayOhKnee: ⁓ chargers offense. The only reason I had to fade him out of this is because you know it's we got we already have Ladd McConkey and Quentin Johnston. With that said though, I do really like Trey Harris. I he's somebody that I really, really believed in coming into the NFL and it just kind of sucks. But with that said to the I was gonna say Josh McDaniels. What is his name? Mike McDaniels, right? Nolan: Mike McDonalds. Yeah. KayOhKnee: The Mike McDaniel situation of this whole thing at least puts in my mind that he could be somebody that is utilized just because he kind of fits the mold of what Mike McDaniels likes to use in his offenses. So that's somebody that was on the cusp for me for wide receivers. So let's move over to the tight end position and our final tiers for this podcast. Nolan, who do you have for tier five tight ends? Nolan: Actually I wanted to give a shout out to one that I'm I may add to the list. Because I I liked all your plethora of wide receivers because I I as you went through it I was like, you know what? My tier five probably should have been as big as yours, like as I was KayOhKnee: I had yeah, I I had some rough that's what I'm saying. When you said you your your was like less, I like, Damn, really? 'Cause I was like there's a lot of names here, you know what I mean? Nolan: I I get it, I get it. ⁓ but I also wanted I'm gonna throw another one in there just for, you know, just because Odell Beckham Jr. KayOhKnee: Go ahead, go ahead. Don't you don't you make me add him to my tears right now I know. Nolan: I'm just I'm just saying, you know you know, it's whether this is like his Do it, you have so many already. You know, whether this is maybe his Swansong contract, maybe he goes out as he needs to, as Odell Beckham Jr. from the New York Giants, and what a better way. So that just wanted to give that random little shout out. KayOhKnee: I'll say he definitely he killed any value that I had believed in for ⁓ Calvin Austin. 'Cause Calvin Austin was a guy that I was like, To the moon and now he's not even in the tears because of that whole situation. So Nolan: Shout out to you, Odell Beckham. ⁓ for tight ends though, I do have starting off Gunner. Actually, ⁓ let me give you the number. I have twenty-four to thirty-three. KayOhKnee: I know. ⁓ yeah, okay. This is where we were off last week because yeah so I'm I I'm further in deep into this Nolan: I have Gunnarhelm starting this off. ⁓ after him. I mean, Gunnarhelm is just because I think it's one year under his belt. It's time for him to kind of new new coaching staff, new revitalized life. This Tennessee team. I'm really, really excited to see this Tennessee team play, actually. Like I was a I was a ⁓ Robert Salah apologist when he was with the Jets. And I just think he got a bad, unfair shake of what went down there. ⁓ KayOhKnee: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Nolan: But next I got Mark Andrews. Mainly because he it's Mark Andrews. He's he's with the team, the same quarterback, new coach staff, but it's still Mark Andrews. I think he he has something to give as like your backup tight end. ⁓ AJ Barner. ⁓ I liked what I saw from him last year. I'm assuming his role is gonna expand more. I just couldn't put it any higher than where he is right now, just 'cause I don't know how efficient he will be in the offense or how the offense will look as a whole. ⁓ KayOhKnee: Fair that. Nolan: So I'm just kinda s wait on that one. This next two, ⁓ I don't feel good about them there. Because I really I really don't know what to say about it more than these two stacked together, Terrence Ferguson and Colby Parkinson. I think that you you ca you get what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get what I mean there. ⁓ KayOhKnee: Say what you're gonna say? no, no, no, no. Nolan: Next on the list though behind them is Kate Otten. Only reason is because Kate Otten had a relatively down year in a year where there were so many injuries in the wide receiver room. You thought he was going to take a big leap and bounds in what he was producing. It didn't happen. And now that he's gonna be a it's gonna be a healthy team, ⁓ with the Ibuka and with Godwin there, I I just don't know if this is gonna be the same Kate Otten that we get neck this season. ⁓ granted, we're gonna get a healthy Baker, so that could shift the whole dynamic as Well, because he loves Cade ⁓ as a target. So we'll see from there. ⁓ next, I got Eli Stowers. ⁓ I talked about it last year with Dallas Goddard. I I just don't know what this final contract year is gonna look like for Dallas. And if they decide to kind of phase him out, Stours is gonna go to the moon. So I would say he's he's the one guy in this tier that's viable to move up. Next, I got KayOhKnee: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nolan: Mason Taylor. ⁓ It's it's tough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? It it yeah. I believe in ya buddy, but it's it's hard, Kenny Sadiq. Look nice, man. Real sorry, dude. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ and then I got Greg Dulcich. I liked what you said about him, I believe his last year. and ⁓ KayOhKnee: I was like, I was like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you? Yeah, I'm just saying I like Thank you for your service, Mason Taylor. Yeah. Nolan: piggybacking off of what you mentioned with Malik Washington, the ball's gotta go somewhere. And if Malik Washington isn't the one getting the ball, the tight end is probably gonna get the ball as well. Malik Willis is very serviceable and can get it get the job done. ⁓ so I'm I'm keeping him there with you know, he may I may stash him to take that swing as a backup tight end because, you know KayOhKnee: Yeah. Yeah. Nolan: knock on wood, the goal would be to use the second tight end on the bye week. And I think I can live with Dulcich as a bye week tight end. ⁓ And then lastly, George Kittle. And that's it's not any dig it, George Kittle. It's just I don't know when he's coming back. I just don't know. Yeah, I just don't know when he's coming back. I need to know that he's healthy, can full speed. I don't even w I don't want 90% George Kittle. I want 100% George Kittle. Like in it that that's the the thought process. Because I know George Kittle's gonna try to play like he's at 100 because that's just the dog he is. But I just don't want him to come back too early, so I'm just being a little bit more hesitant with that. But that'll do it for my tier five. KayOhKnee: Whoa, damn. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I like it. You and I went different directions again, but similar and again I feel like we're homers cause you had the Rams guys. I have a yeah, I do have I do have him in here. Yeah. ⁓ anyway, to start off the tier, Darnell Washington on the Frederick Stealers. ⁓ he was I mean, he's undoubtedly the red zone target. I mean he's six eight. Nolan: You get darnell Washington, don't you? Dare. Three fifty or something. I don't know how big his KayOhKnee: You know what mean? He's a very yeah, he's a he's a large mountain of a man. ⁓ so to me undoubtedly gonna be the red zone target again this year for the Pittsburgh Steelers. That ⁓ I forgot what they're calling it now. They had sort of like a cool name that they had for this mountain lineup lineup that we have with ⁓ Friarmuth and Darnell and ⁓ Pittman and DK. The size is just crazy. So yeah. Red zone is gonna be a problem for other teams, undoubtedly, and Arnold Washington's gonna be a big part of that. So sign the big contract. They have a defined role for him. That's why I like ⁓ here. Yeah. And I'm at thirty to thirty seven, so this is a little bit deeper than where you were anyway. So ⁓ thirty one and thirty two. Two guys that I just really don't like ever drafting, but they have to be here 'cause again they're starting, so Nolan: Call ⁓ the pit. ⁓ okay. KayOhKnee: Can't fade any further. Dalton Kincaid, Dalton Schultz. Too uninspiring. Not excited to draft. Super overhyped every single year, guys. Similar to Jamison Williams every year. Like why these guys are so high every single year and then do absolutely nothing every single year. Doesn't make sense to me. ⁓ after that, I do have Evan Ingram. ⁓ Denver. Nolan: Daltons. No muestio. KayOhKnee: Looks like they're gonna be better. Jalen Waddle undoubtedly is gonna help that. I think Evan Ingram is gonna have you know an increased role and they didn't really bring in anybody to spell him. So to me he's still gonna be a a solid option for you here in the tight end role. Yeah, that's I mean ch between their weird draft, their sort of weird off season, I mean it just this feels like a team that could take a step back, you know what mean? But hopefully they don't. Jalen Waddle should help. We'll see. Nolan: Yeah, Denver had a really weird draft. KayOhKnee: You know what I mean? ⁓ after that, I have Oscar Delp ⁓ for New Orleans. ⁓ somebody who was drafted very high. Comes out of a sort of nah, I wouldn't say it's tight NU, but comes out of Georgia, which is a great team. I really liked his highlight reel. I really like what he can do from a catching standpoint. Juwan Johnson is obviously going to be the number one, but I do think that ⁓ there's already been mentioned that they're gonna be running a lot of two tight end sets. Two tight end sets mixed in with the fact that they're gonna have two really, really solid wide receivers in Chris Olave and Jordan Tyson, who I'm buying super hard on. Could be an interesting, you know, four group wide receiver group. So anyway, I threw him in there just as sort of a a dart, you know, throw. ⁓ after that I do have Eli Rarid in. New England Patriot, somebody who Nolan: Yeah, yeah. KayOhKnee: I really, really liked coming out of college. It kind of was unfortunate that he kept sliding down, but it felt like most teams just didn't really need the tight end position. With that said though, the Hunter Henry situation is one that could play out in the negative way for Hunter Henry as far as like he's getting older, you know what I mean? I know he was very reliable for Drake May, but when you draft a guy that could undoubtedly be and I do believe Eli Raridon is one hundred percent Nolan: Yeah. Mm-hmm. I think th his one blow up seas blow up game last season was made me lose the matchup I was in. KayOhKnee: Yeah. No yeah. Yeah, exactly. So like he is kind of what we always talk yeah, is he just there. And I think Eli Eli Raroden has a higher ceiling. He's somebody that I would like to take as like a backup just in case he does end up being even more than that. Especially because the Patriots offense is looking like it's gonna be just elite this year. So ⁓ Raritan is somebody I have here. Mike Goseki follows that in a really, really good offense. Somebody that's part of the Cincinnati Bengals, you know, group and Nolan: He's there. KayOhKnee: Not saying he's gonna get a lot of red zone targets, but he is somebody in a really prolific offense that is going to score a lot. That's somebody you want to take swings on, especially from the tight end position. And to finish out my tiers, I have Johnu Smith. ⁓ not for anything but the rumors about where he's possibly going to land. And that's Carolina and ⁓ what was the other one? Carolina and Houston. To me, both of those situations could be Nolan: Mm-hmm. Mm. KayOhKnee: Elite situations for Johnny Smith because not only do they not really have established tight ends that are really, really, really good because, like I just mentioned earlier, Dalton Schultz don't really care for his game, not really super excited about drafting him. Johnny Smith is undoubtedly a better receiving threat than Dalton Schultz is. If they need him for blocking, he's not great for that. We saw that with the Pittsburgh Steelers. But if you need him for catching balls or running around in sort of like those end around plays, John Smith is somebody that I really, really like ⁓ as a player. And I think that no matter where he lands, he's gonna land in a situation where he can be the number one. Maybe it's back in Miami and he ends up being the guy for Malik Williams. Who knows? That'll obviously affect the Greg Dulcich take, but John Smith is somebody that is too good to just stay on waivers ⁓ for real life football. So anyway ⁓ Nolan, did you have anybody wanted to mention that wasn't mentioned already in your tiers or are we Nolan: I mean, I'll I mean that wasn't in my tears. I'll give a shout out to Darnell Washington. Like that's that's a big boy. That's a big boy. That's a big boy. You can't deny that. other than that KayOhKnee: Dad is a big boy. Yeah. Mm-hmm. It's ironic. It's ironic you said that because yeah, we'll get to you. You just quick keep words, all Nolan: Yeah. I was gonna say that other than that, I'm just looking at maybe like Mike Kosicki and Theo Johnson. Like we we didn't really necessarily note the Cincinnati tight end. But that's because Cincinnati's got a lot a lot of receiving threats. So it's it's hard to value him anything more than a a streamer. You're right, you're right. But that's why it's my list, man. Okay. But that's pretty much it. KayOhKnee: Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ you didn't know them, I noted him, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well you said we didn't, so that's what I was thinking. It's like you didn't, I didn't. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ I was gonna say it I was thinking it's ironic that you mentioned Darnell Washington because I was gonna mention Terrence Ferguson. ⁓ He was somebody that I had so high on my list initially, and then the addition of ⁓ Max Clare just ruined all of that because I thought he was gonna be the established guy. I hate that you guys drafted Max Clare to be honest. Like for Nolan: ⁓ sorry, sorry, you right, you're right. Mm-hmm. KayOhKnee: For Max Clare and for your team. Like I hate that so much. Exactly. Parkinson. Like you have four guys who could start and you don't like you don't even have receivers, but you have four tight ends. Like what is going on here? ⁓ so hopefully you guys Yeah, no really though. Yeah. ⁓ anyway, I think that'll do it for our tiers conversation. ⁓ Nolan: What are we supposed to do with Max Clare, Higbee, Ferguson, and Parkinson? What what are we doing? But they use it to a T, you know what I mean? ⁓ Woo! KayOhKnee: We're gonna be starting up a very different conversation pre very soon. ⁓ our boomer bus in you know, our tiers will be starting after this because tiers are done. So now we get to talk about the guys that we f really feel like are gonna be, you know, maybe escalating past your tiers and maybe falling way down, you know. Who knows? You'll hear our ticks next week. So ⁓ well, over the next couple of weeks, obviously, not just next week. It'll be a few weeks. But anyway Nolan: Who knows? KayOhKnee: With that said, I think that'll do it for this episode of the fifth down Nolan. Anything else for the people at home? Nolan: It's time, guys. It's time. KayOhKnee: It's time. It's time. It is time. Anyways, it has been a pleasure. It's been a joy from all of us here at Point Soy. Nolan: I'm ready. Good vibes and love, everybody. KayOhKnee: Bang bang.