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Our Favorite Toxic Drinks · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 18 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:34
  I Hate Talking: So we have since completed our 3 part miniseries on money and money dysmorphia and a variety of things that we've talked about.
• 0:44
  I Hate Talking: So we are going to be moving on to new topics, but before we do, we have our word or phrase of the episode, and our word or phrase of today's episode is toxic, toxic.
• 0:58
  I Hate Talking: Oh.
• 0:59
  I Hate Talking: I wonder which way you're gonna go with this.
• 1:02
  I Hate Talking: Well, there's a lot of different ways we could go with this because uh toxic can refer to, I think typically the adjective where it is describing something that is poisonous, uh, or something that's very harmful or unpleasant in a pervasive or insidious way, according to the Oxford Dictionary.
• 1:23
  I Hate Talking: Uh, it actually also can be used in terms of a noun where the noun means poisonous substances.
• 1:31
  I Hate Talking: And I think what you are alluding to in terms of the ways that uh we could go with that particular word, or maybe this word won't even be related to the topic that we discussed today, you'll have to continue listening.
• 1:43
  I Hate Talking: But uh I think that you are referring to perhaps uh that it could be used in terms of like toxic masculinity or toxic relationships or even uh as a callback to our previous episodes, toxic debt.
• 1:59
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, definitely.
• 2:00
  I Hate Talking: I think nowadays in culture, that's a very big buzzword or just a word that's used and thrown around a lot for something that either is really toxic, like poisonous and dangerous, or just for something that we don't like, that's hurting our lifestyle or hurting the way we want to live.
• 2:19
  I Hate Talking: So that is our word or phrase of the episode, toxic, uh, as it relates to poisonous, poisonous substances or something that's very harmful or unpleasant in a pervasive or insidious way.
• 2:34
  I Hate Talking: So before we go on to our topic, we're gonna do something that I think uh many podcasts do and that is invite you to share this episode or share a previous episode that you've enjoyed with your friends and family, and be sure to go on there, like, comment, uh, do all the things uh that helps us continue to grow on uh the variety of platforms that we're listed on.
• 2:58
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• 3:02
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• 3:03
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• 3:17
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• 3:24
  I Hate Talking: So we are gonna be talking about something that I think is As a society, uh, pretty well accepted within our culture here in the United States.
• 3:36
  I Hate Talking: Uh, we are going to be talking about a certain substance that people enjoy, uh, but that it potentially has some negative effects.
• 3:45
  I Hate Talking: Um, this particular thing that we have in mind, uh, can be enjoyed at any time of the day, but there is a certain time of day that typically people are going to partake.
• 3:54
  I Hate Talking: It can be made in a whole host of different ways and it can be enjoyed socially and it's actually uh socially acceptable to gather to enjoy this particular thing uh at local businesses that sell this as well as uh potentially partaking alone, um, and there's many different, uh, ways that you can do this yourself even, um, but on to the negative effects of this particular thing.
• 4:23
  I Hate Talking: Uh, it can cause sleep problems.
• 4:26
  I Hate Talking: So this particular thing can cause issues with falling asleep, uh, good sleep, those type of things.
• 4:33
  I Hate Talking: It can have effects on your nervous system, it can cause anxiety, irritability, and restlessness.
• 4:39
  I Hate Talking: It even can have effects on your organs.
• 4:42
  I Hate Talking: Uh, one of the examples is heart effects, it can raise your heart rate, blood pressure, and even make your heart beat unevenly.
• 4:49
  I Hate Talking: Uh, this also can have impacts on your digestive system with regards to causing heartburn or stomach problems, um, and actually, uh, causes some imbalance in your pH within your body.
• 5:05
  I Hate Talking: Uh, it can cause headaches, dizziness, muscle tremors, frequent urination and dehydration.
• 5:10
  I Hate Talking: And if you don't partake of these things, it actually can cause withdrawal, uh, where you would get a headache or be nervous or have fatigue, uh, and it's highly recommended that uh people don't partake in this during pregnancy or breastfeeding.
• 5:25
  I Hate Talking: And of course, I think our listeners as well as yourself know exactly what I'm talking about and that is.
• 5:31
  I Hate Talking: Alcohol Coffee.
• 5:34
  I Hate Talking: So I think probably a lot of our thoughts did go to the alcohol subject, uh, because I think a lot of those things that I read in more of a generic fashion are true for alcohol, but all those things that I just listed out are based on Mayo Clinics.
• 5:57
  I Hate Talking: Uh, article on the negative effects of coffee.
• 6:01
  I Hate Talking: Oh no, well.
• 6:02
  I Hate Talking: I I can do without alcohol, but I don't want to go without coffee.
• 6:09
  I Hate Talking: So I think I'm gonna not like this conversation.
• 6:12
  I Hate Talking: So it is interesting to note that uh the United States and really I think even the globe in general have accepted that caffeine and alcohol are the acceptable quote unquote drugs of choice that people partake in and uh both of those things I think have a really uh storied past and a uh long history um from the uh early days and Um, you know, perhaps, uh, for some cultures you might swap in tea versus coffee, but still the, uh, the root effect of caffeine being what is being seek after.
• 6:52
  I Hate Talking: So, uh, indeed, I think that, uh, we can perhaps consider, uh, the intake of alcohol but also the intake of caffeine in terms of how it impacts our health and well-being.
• 7:06
  I Hate Talking: We, uh, I think do drink coffee on the regular.
• 7:10
  I Hate Talking: Uh, I think that there are a lot of people within the workplace, uh, that drink coffee, um, and that is again, something that's, uh, very socially acceptable and, uh, even had instances where if people don't drink coffee, it's sort of, um, an oddity.
• 7:27
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, um.
• 7:29
  I Hate Talking: You would know this, but I actually did not drink caffeine by choice.
• 7:34
  I Hate Talking: It was an intentional thing until after my first son was born.
• 7:39
  I Hate Talking: Um, if I had a soda, it was either a Sprite or like a root beer, I think usually doesn't have uh caffeine.
• 7:46
  I Hate Talking: And then they have like a diet decaf Coke.
• 7:50
  I Hate Talking: If I felt super crazy, it was a special occasion, I'd go to Starbucks and get a decaf, like Frappuccino, which does have a little caffeine in it.
• 7:59
  I Hate Talking: But, um, not as much as the regular, but it was a very intentional thing, and um people thought it was so odd that I didn't drink caffeine.
• 8:10
  I Hate Talking: So, could we even consider coffee then to be toxic?
• 8:15
  I Hate Talking: Yes, but I also wanna keep drinking it.
• 8:20
  I Hate Talking: And you mentioned another one in there that I think uh has some negative effects, which is your diet, caffeine soda.
• 8:31
  I Hate Talking: I love Diet Coke.
• 8:31
  I Hate Talking: Uh, so the, the aspartame, um, read some studies and, uh, those, uh, indicate that that actually creates a literal poison in your brain when your body breaks down, uh, those particular things that are used to sweeten that particular drink.
• 8:50
  I Hate Talking: Oh man.
• 8:51
  I Hate Talking: So quite literally a toxin, a neurotoxin even.
• 8:55
  I Hate Talking: So on to the next thing though that was mentioned, and that is alcohol and all its many different forms.
• 9:04
  I Hate Talking: We have actually just as of yesterday, completed.
• 9:10
  I Hate Talking: Our version of dry January, except we do it during July, so we call it dry July, which I actually think has a better ring to it anyway.
• 9:20
  I Hate Talking: And I did hear one, another time period, I guess that people skip the drink and that is sober October.
• 9:28
  I Hate Talking: That was actually the first time I've heard that today, but I guess people do that as well.
• 9:32
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that was a good rain too.
• 9:34
  I Hate Talking: So, we have just finished our dry July, which we actually start on July 5th because we will typically and as is socially acceptable and even to some degree expected, uh, have a drink or two on the 4th of July, our independence Day here in America, and then uh move on from there and Basically, do not drink any alcohol from July 5th until July 31st.
• 10:03
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it sounds crazy when people hear it, and maybe in the very beginning I was like, oh.
• 10:10
  I Hate Talking: We went on a date recently, had a babysitter.
• 10:13
  I Hate Talking: We're like, oh, we can't go to, what are we gonna do?
• 10:16
  I Hate Talking: It was at night, so we didn't want to get coffee.
• 10:19
  I Hate Talking: And we didn't really want, it wasn't dinner time.
• 10:24
  I Hate Talking: So, you know, like, normally we're like, oh, let's go get a glass of wine or a beer, but we couldn't.
• 10:29
  I Hate Talking: So I felt, we felt really limited on like, well, what can we get if we're not getting dinner?
• 10:35
  I Hate Talking: And you're not getting a beer.
• 10:37
  I Hate Talking: We ended up walking around our downtown and it was super sweet and I loved it, and I drank a glass of water.
• 10:44
  I Hate Talking: And so it was much cheaper also.
• 10:47
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, and I think uh we actually saw many people that were in that downtown area for the express purpose of drinking.
• 11:00
  I Hate Talking: So we were on the other end of the spectrum that evening.
• 11:04
  I Hate Talking: Yes, definitely.
• 11:05
  I Hate Talking: But also, I mean, So we intentionally do this cause we think it's healthy for our body and mind.
• 11:12
  I Hate Talking: Um, other people do it for other times or whatnot.
• 11:16
  I Hate Talking: But also, let's not forget, like for pregnancy, like every time I've been pregnant, I go over 9 months without any alcohol, and it's not hard.
• 11:24
  I Hate Talking: It's not like this burden that people are shocked about.
• 11:28
  I Hate Talking: So I don't know why it's expected to have a beer.
• 11:33
  I Hate Talking: Every time, unless you're pregnant, because if I was pregnant and had a beer.
• 11:38
  I Hate Talking: That'd be a huge faux pas, lots of people would get upset.
• 11:43
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, and I don't know exactly where that does come from, but it does seem that it is a social thing in terms of that, um, and I guess for in some ways, uh, if you are drinking socially, that is better, uh, and preferred over drinking alone because that is a sign of particular uh reliance on alcohol.
• 12:09
  I Hate Talking: Uh, as a coping mechanism perhaps, but, uh, yes, it does seem that it is socially acceptable and like we said, even expected to partake in alcohol.
• 12:21
  I Hate Talking: OK, so I definitely hesitate bringing this up.
• 12:24
  I Hate Talking: I feel like you're gonna hold me to it.
• 12:27
  I Hate Talking: But like, I No, I feel much better when I don't have.
• 12:34
  I Hate Talking: A beer or a glass of wine.
• 12:37
  I Hate Talking: Like, it definitely is enjoyable and and social situations with a friend, I enjoy it.
• 12:45
  I Hate Talking: But overall, I don't feel good when I drink that kind of stuff.
• 12:51
  I Hate Talking: So, I'm fine not doing it.
• 12:56
  I Hate Talking: And so, as you're listing off these things, I'm like, well, maybe I'd feel better if I didn't have caffeine.
• 13:04
  I Hate Talking: I did it for the first 28 years of my life, I could do it again, but.
• 13:10
  I Hate Talking: I still stick with that.
• 13:12
  I Hate Talking: I probably would feel better without caffeine.
• 13:14
  I Hate Talking: But I don't want to do it.
• 13:17
  I Hate Talking: And we did mention at the very start of the episode that there would be potential symptoms of withdrawal if you are skipping the caffeine.
• 13:28
  I Hate Talking: And uh I think that's also true if you're uh skipping the alcohol and are reliant on it to that degree that you would have some of those symptoms of withdrawal, which, uh, like we said, headache, nervousness, fatigue, uh, and things of that nature.
• 13:42
  I Hate Talking: So I think that, uh, perhaps, uh, Based on our level of consumption of coffee and caffeine, uh, we would probably experience some of those things.
• 13:52
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 13:52
  I Hate Talking: Well, there was, remember, um, obviously when I'm pregnant or whatnot, I don't, can't drink.
• 13:57
  I Hate Talking: Caffeine, especially to, like you said, the level we do.
• 14:01
  I Hate Talking: Um, but there's a protocol that I would do that was vitamin C.
• 14:07
  I Hate Talking: When you're trying to get off caffeine, like I would take a couple of vitamin C every few hours, I'd have to look up the exact protocol.
• 14:15
  I Hate Talking: But, um, it actually helps with the like the headache.
• 14:20
  I Hate Talking: And all that, and it eases you out of it, um, pretty well.
• 14:25
  I Hate Talking: So I know I could do that, but it's just, I Love the flavor It is enjoyable.
• 14:33
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, and I think uh those things that you're gaining from the vitamin C in large doses, which supposedly you can't overdose on vitamin C, but if you do take a significant amount of vitamin C as a supplement, uh, it actually can increase your energy levels, uh, and, uh, give you some of those, you know, almost like a caffeine high.
• 14:56
  I Hate Talking: Talk to your doctor.
• 14:57
  I Hate Talking: Yes, this is not medical advice in any form or fashion.
• 15:01
  I Hate Talking: This is expressly the opinion of these hosts only.
• 15:05
  I Hate Talking: So, uh, I think that is true in terms of, uh, yes, just enjoying the flavor of coffee and a routine of coffee even, which I think is also to some degree can be true for An alcoholic drink.
• 15:21
  I Hate Talking: Case in point, when we were having a cookout, uh, this mid-July, uh, you and I both were craving a beer to go with our burgers that we grilled at home and all the sides, as well as uh the other day I was having some sirloin steak and I was, uh, wishing that I had a glass of red wine to go with that.
• 15:45
  I Hate Talking: Uh, so I think there are some flavor profiles and Uh, parts of things that we can enjoy from a taste perspective and even a routine perspective that uh are valid and perhaps uh can be enjoyed in moderation.
• 16:02
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I mean, some of those can add to the experience, like add to the flavor.
• 16:08
  I Hate Talking: Um, we've been to both coffee and wine tastings where you'll take a sip of it.
• 16:16
  I Hate Talking: And then you'll take a piece of chocolate maybe, and um and drink again and it's completely different.
• 16:24
  I Hate Talking: It changes the food that you are eating for the better.
• 16:28
  I Hate Talking: Or for the worst if it's not a good pairing.
• 16:31
  I Hate Talking: But yes, that would be the intent is uh to have those pairings that do enhance both the flavor of the food as well as the flavor of the wine or coffee or whatever the particular drink of choice is.
• 16:44
  I Hate Talking: So, um, Another time this month, I was somewhere, uh, it was just me with the kids, and multiple people tried to hand me a drink.
• 16:57
  I Hate Talking: They're being very hospitable and I appreciated it.
• 16:59
  I Hate Talking: I was the only adult there not drinking.
• 17:02
  I Hate Talking: And I just kept saying, no, thank you.
• 17:04
  I Hate Talking: I got nervous cause I was like, oh, maybe they're gonna think I'm pregnant, so I'm gonna suck in my stomach.
• 17:08
  I Hate Talking: But also, um, you know, like I was worried that they're gonna ask about that, or, um, It just, I was definitely singled out, like, being the odd person.
• 17:21
  I Hate Talking: And uh I felt uncomfortable, just cause I felt um the host was really trying to be hospitable, and I felt very um awkward in that situation.
• 17:33
  I Hate Talking: And uh, so again, I try to put myself into like back.
• 17:36
  I Hate Talking: When I used to not consume any of this stuff, um, caffeine or anything, people would offer it, and it didn't seem to bother me.
• 17:46
  I Hate Talking: Maybe I was just younger back then or more confident.
• 17:49
  I Hate Talking: I didn't mind just saying no, if someone offered me a coffee or anything like that.
• 17:55
  I Hate Talking: So I don't know why now I'm like, oh, I would This looks awkward.
• 17:59
  I Hate Talking: I'm offending them.
• 18:01
  I Hate Talking: Does that make sense?
• 18:02
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, and I think that uh perhaps that goes not only to.
• 18:08
  I Hate Talking: Your own confidence, but also like you mentioned, uh, how you appear to them and maybe that will impact their confidence because again, it's just a failed social interaction when somebody declines to take them up on their offer.
• 18:24
  I Hate Talking: Uh, so maybe both parties are a little bit uh at play there in terms of their confidence and just whether that social interaction is considered a success or failure.
• 18:34
  I Hate Talking: Right, and like, I didn't want to make it a thing.
• 18:38
  I Hate Talking: I didn't want to make them feel uncomfortable, like, I'm holier than thou or something.
• 18:43
  I Hate Talking: I think it's the other thing people assume, like, oh, you're too good for this.
• 18:47
  I Hate Talking: No, I don't mind.
• 18:48
  I Hate Talking: I'm not upset that you guys are having a beer.
• 18:51
  I Hate Talking: I'm choosing not to.
• 18:54
  I Hate Talking: Precisely, so we have some Toxicity in the form of caffeine or coffee or tea, and we have some toxicity in the form of alcohol, whether that be wine or a beer or a mixed drink of some sort.
• 19:12
  I Hate Talking: What are your thoughts on the toxicity of fruits and vegetables?
• 19:18
  I Hate Talking: Like the stuff that they inject in it to make it look beautiful.
• 19:23
  I Hate Talking: No, I'm actually referring to a theory that I think does hold some weight where Plants have.
• 19:32
  I Hate Talking: Certain forms of defense, so that predators don't eat them, and that while we as humanity have bred certain plants to be more fruitful and better tasting and to have less of those attributes where they're thorny or poisonous or whatever the case may be, that they still retain some toxicity when we eat them.
• 19:59
  I Hate Talking: And actually for those that consume a lot of plants in terms of fruits and vegetables that that actually can have a toxic effect on the body.
• 20:08
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, like, um, it's a known thing, right, when babies have sweet potatoes, that tends to be their first, one of their first foods.
• 20:16
  I Hate Talking: If they eat a lot of them, their skin will change colors, changes to like an orangeish color.
• 20:22
  I Hate Talking: Yup, so, uh, and this again maybe a little bit of confirmation bias because it is a theory held to some of the dietitians that follow more of a ketogenic diet or a carnivore diet, but, uh, one of the people that I think is noteworthy that does hold to this particular view is Bear Grylls.
• 20:42
  I Hate Talking: Uh, he went on a Basically all plant diet for a while and felt terrible and was not doing well.
• 20:48
  I Hate Talking: And uh then switched to basically a all meat diet with uh supplemented by butter and animal fats and things of that nature and has had none of the issues that he described when he was purely a vegetarian.
• 21:03
  I Hate Talking: Huh, I wonder too, um, like I know there's allergies, especially to like seafood and shellfish and stuff.
• 21:12
  I Hate Talking: But is there much of an allergy towards beef or turkey?
• 21:17
  I Hate Talking: Cause there's a ton, like, I can't eat.
• 21:19
  I Hate Talking: Eggplants.
• 21:21
  I Hate Talking: My, um, I'm not completely sick.
• 21:25
  I Hate Talking: I don't get very sick on it, but it's very uncomfortable.
• 21:28
  I Hate Talking: My mouth for several days after eating eggplant.
• 21:32
  I Hate Talking: And, um, you know, I have other family members that can't eat a whole slew of fruits and vegetables.
• 21:39
  I Hate Talking: So is that the kind of toxicity, um, also in play that wouldn't be in meat?
• 21:47
  I Hate Talking: So I do think we are using the word toxic in a more generalized sense in terms of referring to a particular allergy as toxic because typically toxic means poisonous and like we've said at the start of the episode, poisonous substances are having a uh undue effect that is globally applicable where, you know, that that is going to be toxic to everyone.
• 22:13
  I Hate Talking: Uh, but for example, there could be certain substances that are toxic to humans that can be eaten just fine by deer or other animals and even mammals that uh would be quite deadly to a person.
• 22:29
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 22:30
  I Hate Talking: And then you can actually be allergic to beef.
• 22:35
  I Hate Talking: Uh, this is a syndrome called alpha-gal syndrome or AGS for short, and it is basically a red meat allergy and uh that is actually typically associated with the bite of the lone star tick.
• 22:51
  I Hate Talking: So, uh, you actually can get that particular meat allergy, red meat allergy.
• 22:57
  I Hate Talking: Uh, if you come in contact with the Lone Star tick that has that particular disease, uh, within that tick, um, and that's actually not, I guess, uh, as I'm looking here at some of the research, a proven relationship that, uh, does seem to have some association there.
• 23:14
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 23:14
  I Hate Talking: Alright, so before we wrap up this episode, let's uh end it perhaps with uh maybe some of our favorite drinks, coffee, alcohol, or otherwise.
• 23:29
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• 23:35
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• 23:35
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• 23:38
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• 23:38
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• 23:47
  I Hate Talking: Um, yeah, I'll go first.
• 23:50
  I Hate Talking: My, obviously what I drink the most is water, but it's a little specific.
• 23:57
  I Hate Talking: I don't like cold water.
• 23:59
  I Hate Talking: And I don't like hot water.
• 24:01
  I Hate Talking: It has to be lukewarm, maybe slightly on the cool side.
• 24:06
  I Hate Talking: I do love to chew ice, which is not good if any dentists are out here, cover your ears.
• 24:13
  I Hate Talking: But um I do like to chew ice, but I like lukewarm water.
• 24:18
  I Hate Talking: Um, I love Diet Coke, like we've said before, or Diet Pepsi.
• 24:24
  I Hate Talking: I'm actually not picky either way.
• 24:25
  I Hate Talking: Um, americanos, so espresso with water added is my biggest go to every morning.
• 24:35
  I Hate Talking: And then, um, I really love IPAs for beer.
• 24:42
  I Hate Talking: Or, um, A good cab, red, just for a red wine.
• 24:48
  I Hate Talking: And um, Uh, we actually, I love, um, One of my favorite, I have two red wines that I love, a Lode is one name and then a Josh.
• 25:02
  I Hate Talking: Both are cabs, and I love it.
• 25:04
  I Hate Talking: And we have a Josh cab in our house right now.
• 25:08
  I Hate Talking: And I look forward to one day opening it up and drinking it soon because um now that we don't have to go the whole month without drinking.
• 25:16
  I Hate Talking: And um it is very enjoyable.
• 25:19
  I Hate Talking: And then uh for a harder drinks that I would order if I was out is an old fashion, or a martini with olives.
• 25:27
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 25:29
  I Hate Talking: Well, uh, like yourself, I do enjoy a nice glass of water and also, uh, don't really prefer that to be cold or hot.
• 25:39
  I Hate Talking: So I do occasionally, uh, drink hot water with lemon, uh, typically in the morning.
• 25:46
  I Hate Talking: People, uh, sorry to interrupt you.
• 25:48
  I Hate Talking: People come to our house and I have to be mindful to get cool water cause we don't have like a fridge that has water in it.
• 25:58
  I Hate Talking: And so, um, that's another oddity.
• 26:01
  I Hate Talking: When we, people come to our house, we don't have cold water for them.
• 26:04
  I Hate Talking: And I'm like, oh no, we don't, we don't drink cold water, but go on.
• 26:09
  I Hate Talking: And also enjoy teas of all varieties, uh, typically black teas, but, uh, also will enjoy chai tea, both hot and cold, typically unsweetened, uh, so those are my drinks of choice and, uh, from the coffee perspective, uh, typically black coffee, so anything espresso based, so the Americanos or just straight espresso.
• 26:35
  I Hate Talking: Uh, we'll occasionally add maybe a splash of milk.
• 26:39
  I Hate Talking: Um, do enjoy cappuccinos, lattes on occasion as well.
• 26:44
  I Hate Talking: Um, when I'm doing keto, I will add a splash of heavy whipping cream to said coffee, um, and typically prefer the mid roast to dark roast.
• 26:56
  I Hate Talking: Uh, don't typically prefer the light roast, which I guess supposedly that is.
• 27:00
  I Hate Talking: Uh, more caffeine content in the light race, so there you go, we're avoiding the toxicity.
• 27:05
  I Hate Talking: Also enjoy red wine, typically cabs as well, but uh some Pinots and uh some other varieties every once in a while.
• 27:16
  I Hate Talking: The lody red, uh, that you were referring to is one of my favorites as well, uh, with, uh, coming out of the lody region in California.
• 27:27
  I Hate Talking: Uh, there's one particularly that we like that is produced by Michael David Winery.
• 27:32
  I Hate Talking: Uh, so we'll add that to the show notes.
• 27:35
  I Hate Talking: Um, we can get that here in our locale, so, um, but it is based in California and, uh, enjoy, uh, low sugar wine, so grazy wine is another one that comes to mind, again, a red wine, but they do have a rose and white variety as well.
• 27:51
  I Hate Talking: I've always enjoyed loggers, uh, from the beer perspective and, uh, in my later adult years have come to enjoy IPAs as well, uh, with some of the uh.
• 28:03
  I Hate Talking: More odd beers out there with like some seisons and things of that nature, always up to try those and enjoy those, uh, as long as they're not too fruity or too just uh strange tasting in my palette, I guess.
• 28:21
  I Hate Talking: I don't know how other to put that, but, um, and then from the spirit's perspective, definitely a vodka person.
• 28:29
  I Hate Talking: Uh, vodka tonic with lime, always one of my favorites.
• 28:32
  I Hate Talking: I've actually also gone to vodka and pickle juice recently.
• 28:37
  I Hate Talking: And, uh, and actually we'll enjoy pickle juice even on its own.
• 28:42
  I Hate Talking: So lots of different, uh, things that we enjoy, some of those things toxic, some of those things not so much, but from your friends that I hate talking until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.