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2015's Everest · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf with Phil and Dave, the
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  movie talk show where each week one of us takes a movie off our
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  shelf, presents it to the other, and discusses it at length.
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  This week we've got coming up with Dave's Shelf, 2015's
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  Everest starring Jason Clark, Jake Gyllenhaal, directed by
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  Baltasar Kormakur, and written by William Nicholson and Simon
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  Boy Foy. Very good Phillip very good
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  David welcome back to the couch Very good, Phillip, Very good,
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  David, welcome back to the couch.
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  Thank you. Thanks for being here, of
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  course. Pleasure is mostly mine.
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  How are you doing this week and wait for?
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  It. Why this movie and why now?
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  I don't know what Punxsutawney Phil said about spring, so I
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  don't know if you got six more weeks of winter.
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  He did see a. Shot of did he cause another
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  version? Didn't So who do you believe
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  the. OG the prognosticator of
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  prognosticators. That's who you believe.
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  You said that in that episode of Groundhog Day, Yeah, and I
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  pretend like I knew what you meant.
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  I don't know what a prognosticator is.
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  It's a predictive. It's like a guy, the prognosis.
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  Prognosis negative. Predictor of predictors.
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  That's right. I'm down for me, buddy.
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  OK, what was I saying? Yeah.
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  So I wanted to, before we got to the thaw, sneak in one more cold
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  one. Nice.
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  Not beer wise. Just movie wise, sure.
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  Before it possibly warms up, and I do want to preface this
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  because I now have a license to preface.
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  I graduated with honors. I did not know this was based on
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  a true story. Interesting.
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  Yeah, that's your wheelhouse. That's her.
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  It can be. It can be.
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  It does change things. In certain aspects, as we'll
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  touch on throughout the film. OK, of all the movies to choose
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  from, why this one of the I needed a cold one, why was it
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  this one? If you geez, I don't know if I.
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  Just have prepared for. That sometimes I go on the
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  Internet and say give me a spring movie, give me a fall
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  movie. I don't know if I did that.
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  I don't remember where it popped up.
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  I didn't see a preview of it of anything.
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  I've never heard of it. You didn't go to your.
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  Shelf and pull it off. No, I didn't.
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  No, it's been revealed that not all of these movies are on our
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  fair Full disclosure. There's no space.
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  No space. Let's be honest.
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  That's right, you gotta go under and down under to get.
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  If we did movies that were just on our shelves, we're doing a
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  Bruce Willis every 3rd week. We don't want that.
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  No, that's not good for anyone. I'm less happy than me in that
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  instance. And your happiness matters to
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  me. I appreciate.
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  That a lot, no, I wouldn't expect.
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  That but some. I'll take it.
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  Now give me your history, please.
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  What's this movie? My history goes back to when you
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  said this is the movie we're gonna watch this week.
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  I figured as much. I don't want to say I never
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  heard of it. I may have at some point.
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  Certainly heard of the mountain. That's good, but certainly not
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  something that I would have sought in 2015 and not sought
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  since. So having you pick it was, I
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  kind of rolled my eyes, I gotta be honest, when it was revealed
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  to me that this was the movie of choice this week.
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  I imagine that happens but 70% of the time, certainly.
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  But some of the stuff you suggest I know I'm like, oh.
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  Yeah, you've pre rolled the eyes.
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  I've pre. Rolled, you're like, yeah, this
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  is Dave. Sure.
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  And I know this movie and I don't want to know.
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  It's movie kind of snack, whereas this one I didn't really
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  remember anything at all about it.
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  No trailer, no trailer. I may have seen it.
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  I mean, I was out of the video store by then.
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  So like again, my intake was less so your access limited
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  limited. Exactly.
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  So I just was sort of anticipating shit.
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  That's, you know, that's, that's just the go too.
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  Far. Because I didn't really know
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  anything about it. I thought like oh this is like
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  low budget action or something. I did look up the IMDb score
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  first. OK, so so you do a.
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  Little I did a little bit. I wasn't give you a 4.0, OK, I
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  was gonna give you something above A7.
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  I appreciate I've done. That alright, I didn't know what
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  to expect as the short version of this and I have to tell you,
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  I was so happy. Wonderful.
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  And so much so that, I mean, this doesn't really ever happen,
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  but it goes back to your true story thing.
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  And we'll get to your take on the true story because you
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  alluded to it earlier, Rush. But on my end, what the best
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  things of a true story? I've told you before, I don't
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  care. Meaning factual.
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  It doesn't make any difference to me if it's a true story or
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  it's a fiction or if they've amalgamated characters or they
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  embellish certain things or whatever the case.
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  But I will say that the best things about movies based on a
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  true story is the good ones, or at least the ones that connect,
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  open up the world to find out what the real story is.
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  And this movie without a doubt did that.
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  Since watching this movie a couple times for the podcast I
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  went and got, I watched the Everest IMAX documentary The 45
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  minute IMAX shot that was concurrent with this accident.
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  Got you. And watched into thin air.
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  Yeah, the TV movie with Christopher.
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  McDonald's good actors in it. Totally, absolutely.
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  Richard Jenkins is back. I read up as much of the
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  Wikipedia that I could find, like.
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  Make you look bad here. I went in, yeah, you did on this
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  and you came out, I think it tells me.
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  Came out a better. Man, that the things it did in
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  the movie really delivered. I didn't do all of that, of
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  course. Not how I did some, however I
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  did get a sense of it. OK.
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  I want that to be on record. Ohta sense of it, Dave.
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  Got a sense, got a sense. There it is.
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  And what I really found interesting, and we'll get into
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  this maybe a little later, but what I found interesting was
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  that the elements of this movie that I would have pre rolled my
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  eyes or thought. Yeah.
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  Good luck finding. That manipulated or whatever the
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  idea that he says if it was just a movie, I would say yeah, of
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  course the kids gonna be born in six weeks, right.
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  Like of course you're gonna add that element to add some drama.
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  Yeah and then it's like every record of this account from 4
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  books to 3 movies all has that is reality yeah.
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  There's no way. All the stuff that happens with
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  Becky like that's such a come on.
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  And then you're like yeah oh wow.
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  Almost like beat for beat it. So that part of it I I find
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  amazing, impressive and impressive that that the things
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  that in Magnolia, a movie that you know, I love 3 hour says so
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  that's right. Check the archives.
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  But that there's a line in that movie right if I'd seen that in
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  a movie I wouldn't have believed it and this is that and yet
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  doing some research afterwards I was like oh shit the things I
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  would have thought were made-up or fictionalized are not this
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  feels pretty real it felt like they stuck to a certain set of
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  rules they made for themselves to how to tell the story And
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  this was successful in doing that.
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  I don't necessarily love, love, love the movie, but I like what
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  they did with it. At least you got a sense.
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  Yeah, I got a very good sense, lots of sense.
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  I'm rich, rich with sense. And I want to give everybody the
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  general feeling about what this movie is about.
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  We're going to Old Faithful. We're going old faithful, if not
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  now, now. On May 10th, 1996, mountain
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  guides Rob Hall and Scott Fischer combined their
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  expedition teams for a final ascent to the summit of Mount
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  Everest. With little warning, a storm
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  strikes the mountain and the climbers must now battle to
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  survive. That's what happens.
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  But that's too long. It's too long.
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  You were worried about me saying it was like I was going to get
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  through it and it didn't because I forgot to hit the more button
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  so I had to start over. But you'll never know that there
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  is a more. Button I think.
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  Couple mores and you're the one that was like one letter.
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  We do what we doing here. Change the font size for God's
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  sakes. Make an exception, but there it
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  is. Happened but it is a little less
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  than exciting right I mean I don't put a lot of stock and
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  I'll do it more so everybody we're all on the same page we
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  all know what we're dealing with here yes no surprises other than
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  maybe a few things that you say that might catch me off guard
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  you liking my movie Happened, but it is a little less than
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  exciting, right? I mean, I don't put a lot of
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  stock and I'll do it more. So everybody, we're all on the
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  same page. We all know what we're dealing
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  with here. Yes, No surprises other than
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  maybe a few things that you say that might catch me off guard.
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  You liking my movie? That's I'm already thrown off
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  you've had a couple already this year or they laid into last year
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  where you you really upped your game I've waited 5 long years
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  for to give me movies that I want to watch You know what's
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  really irritating is that you've had bigger bangers like
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  Groundhog Day and American President.
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  So even when I I finally hit the hit the what do you call the hot
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  iron? Yeah, sure, whatever that
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  saying. Iron strike while the iron is
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  hot. That's what I'm doing.
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  Yeah, I guess. And then you.
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  Have come up with some of those yourself, so it's a team effort,
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  Yeah, the listeners are really the winners.
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  Here, team effort irritating. You pick OK now as the movie
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  begins, I probably would have thought the production company
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  was called Skipping Stone and Railroad Productions.
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  Yeah, sure. Those.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm in Walden Media.
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  Do you know the last Walden Media movie we watched?
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  No, it's a kind of a faith-based Jesus son.
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  No, Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium.
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  OK, there we go. Yeah, we get a little bit of
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  numbers on the strip dates. We get some dates, some some
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  text, which we love so much. 1953 as when people kind of
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  started doing this thing. Was when it was submitted for
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  the first time. Submitted for the first time and
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  one in four died. Yeah, on average, yes. 25%.
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  Yep. 1992 became commercial. Yep.
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  And then no fatalities. That's good for the insurance
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  companies. Yes, they like.
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  That then obviously 96 takes us to this movie.
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  Yeah, brings us to date, 20 teams on the Hill.
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  It's become pretty. Congested.
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  A little congested, they got two weeks to make it happen.
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  How did you feel about giving us a quick shot of, I would say
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  over halfway through the movie for about two minutes, making a
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  bit of a climb, and then we rewind and go right back to one
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  of your favorite places to be, the airport?
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  I think it's important to establish what they're getting
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  into. I don't know that it's fully
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  effective in this moment. I would have been just fine.
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  I don't need a six weeks earlier title card.
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  They didn't even bother with the title card, so I think they know
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  that, yeah, we're just gonna throw it in there.
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  Well, I mean, it says six weeks earlier when they get back to
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  the airport. Oht did they?
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  Yeah. OK.
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  Are you sure? 100%.
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  Maybe not my copy Amazon. But it is there, yeah, six weeks
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  earlier, so I don't need the time cut.
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  To me, it just felt. But it doesn't hurt.
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  Like it's it's so short and fairly insignificant, which begs
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  the question, why bother? But I like certainly the idea of
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  opening the movie, establishing who and what we're about to deal
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  with. So having Rob be there, his wife
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  Jan, Helen, the base camp manager, Emily Watson.
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  I don't know if you've ever known this, but love her.
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  OK, she's Helen. Helen.
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  OK, watching her and punch drunk.
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  Love watching her Hillary and Jackie.
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  She was in the boxer just like I, breaking the waves.
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  It's like she's got, I love ability to act.
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  British lady, yeah. Pop up again haven't seen her in
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  a while good but I was like God I'm in I like her a lot Did you
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  realize that we were in New Zealand at this point?
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  I didn't specifically know that, but all the accents tell me so.
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  Yeah. It I didn't even know it.
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  This is, I promise you, no idea. I said we were done with
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  Crocodile with anything to do with my trips.
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  Did I tell you I went to the New Zealand, Australia?
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  But we're in Christchurch, New Zealand, and one of the
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  characters which at one point I thought was Mike, at one point I
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  thought was Andy, and one point I thought was Harold.
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  There's two of those three things.
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  He's also in Virgin River. You know who I'm talking.
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  Of course how? Yeah, and he is from Auckland.
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  In real life I go. So I was in his backyard.
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  Fantastic. Literally.
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  I saw the mailbox. It was lovely, man.
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  I forgot his real name. He's nice to see though.
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  Keira Knightley. Still cute as a button.
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  Sure. Yeah, even in 2015 she was.
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  Ten years later, 10 years later. Didn't age day she looked great.
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  Yeah, I'm not a fan. So as you know, I didn't really
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  care for her and Love Actually, I've never really liked her most
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  any other movie. She's fine here, but.
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  Well, it's funny because the wife role, yeah, the two of the
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  female leads, sorry, not leads, are played by leading ladies.
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  Sure. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Not right.
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  Like the actress that was in. Robin Wright Penn.
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  Robin Wright Penn. She must been married to Sean at
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  once. It was for a bit.
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  Yeah, I guess she's just Robin right now.
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  I think she dropped the pen finally.
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  Yes, I dropped pens all the. Time they get ink on my pants.
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  So what? The Pepsi the other day really
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  irritated me. Ohe yeah.
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  But it could be worse. These are the real problems in
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  life, you know, But at the beginning we're kind of
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  establishing a little bit of who's who, the players, if you
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  will. Real people, all of them.
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  Brolin. Yeah, it's nice to see Josh.
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  We haven't done much with Josh. Just turned out to be a great
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  actor, you know? Goonies is so good in that.
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  Yeah, he's like 1718 or yeah, pretty young.
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  Yeah, something like this. He does good stuff.
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  He does some shit, too. He had like a long stretch of
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  movie where I'm like where movies where I was sort of like,
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  Oh yeah, this guy back in my mind doesn't matter.
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  And then all of a sudden somehow came out of the 90s, if you
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  will, and has just been killing it since.
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  One of my kind of favorite. I don't see every movie he's in,
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  but I love him anytime I do see him.
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  I did not love American gangster.
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  I don't think you. Know, but he was.
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  Fond of it, but he was. Totally good in that.
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  He was good in the Dune movies. He was even good in something
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  like Labour Day. He was great.
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  And W, he was just a He's always good.
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  He's just good. He's great.
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  He's great. And also, of course, would like
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  to mention Jason Clark, who is effectively the lead playing Rob
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  Hall. Rob Hall.
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  This role was originally designed for Christian Bale.
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  OK, but he failed. I don't know.
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  Might have been doing something else, obviously.
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  Maybe a Batman was 2015, I don't know.
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  Could be 2013 actually when they started the filming, but none of
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  my business. I don't know much about Clark
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  other than I did notice him in one of the Planet of the Apes
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  movies, one of the later ones. It wasn't Dawn.
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  I don't know which ones. If it's not Mark Wahlberg, I
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  don't know. He's great in that.
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  I mean, that's just generally. I really love that movie.
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  He was in the recent House of Dynamite movie, Terminator
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  Generator. That's right.
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  I have that on my shelf. And certainly, you know, most
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  notably, not so much for performance, but for the film
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  itself. It wasn't the Best Picture
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  winner a few years back of Oppenheimer, OHS heard about
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  working with your boy Chris Nolan.
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  Good choice, love to work. With I know you're not a Chris
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  Nolan fan, but I don't. Think I'll bring any of his
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  movies off anytime soon now? Josh Brolin comes in pretty hot.
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  It's 100% Texan and, you know, kind of has its own baggage, if
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  you will. But he likes teasing old Doug.
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  He's got a little hard on for Doug.
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  Yeah, that's true. He does.
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  He's them a little bit fun way. Mailman on Everest, ha ha ha.
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  He wants to see it though. Yes, he.
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  Loved and I respect that, but it's played by a guy named John
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  Hawkes and he's a face you might recognize from here and there.
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  Maybe you wouldn't, but you know he did an episode of Monk
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  William and you probably. I started watching that, by the
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  way. Oh, there, yeah.
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  So you'll you'll run into him somewhere down the line.
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  Good to know. But the movie that sticks out
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  for me, I loved him in was Me and You and Everyone We Know,
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  which is a Canadian film from 2005 that I ended up seeing at
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  the Vancouver Festival. And he's fantastic in it.
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  Like really really good. I see the potential.
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  In Miami Vice, in American Gangster, which we were just
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  chatting about, not like huge roles.
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  He's just an actor that if you see him, he stands out.
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  He's got a pretty interesting. Face solid third line right
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  winger. That's right, playing the
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  two-way game. And Michael Kelly playing Jon
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  Krakauer, the the writer. I like him.
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  So yeah, House of Cards. I know.
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  That's all good now. He isn't, he is good in that.
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  I just I don't like him and everything.
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  Yeah, that's fine. But that's OK.
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  That's my problem. That's.
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  Right, I'll work through. It so I like the casting even
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  though I don't really know who the characters are, right?
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  Like I don't real people who the real people are or whatever
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  else. In terms of faces, I thought the
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  movie was well cast in that. Way you have enough.
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  Yeah, we can carry this to the top.
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  Yeah. And if you're doing that, I
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  suppose you need a Tylenol. Oh.
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  Yes, either Maggie or Jake. I'm not saying which, but I
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  think if you're gonna carry that weight, you need a guy who
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  knows. The cold I I love him in this, I
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  really do sure I'm gonna come out and say Scott Fisher yes.
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  I just get a feeling that's OK, you're playing Scott Fisher.
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  Like, I don't know Scott Fisher obviously, but just like I know
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  the type of role he's doing and I think he does a.
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  Little Brash. She's got a vibe about him.
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  He's kind of laughing and teasing.
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  He doesn't really take much seriously.
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  It feels kind of browy. Yeah, little bit Broly no shirt
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  and it's kind of chilly out. I think he's great in this movie
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  and because I don't know this story or anything about it going
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  in beyond just its Everest, I had no preconceptions or notions
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  as to what would happen. I did have anticipate this is a
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  tragedy if you will, assuming why else would you make this
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  movie? Or movie something happened. 25
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  people went up the hill and 25 people came down.
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  Thanks for watching, if that's what other movies are for.
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  So I knew there was going to be something happening.
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  And because I don't know anything about this story, it's
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  helpful to tell me the rules. Tell me your situation, and I'll
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  get on board. And I thought they did a really
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  good job of that during this sort of meet and greet, sharing
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  a couple of drinks. In the bar, the big speech.
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  That was big as you know Michael Douglas or That was big, as you
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  know, Michael Douglas or. Kevin Kline definitely not at
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  the same. Yeah, we get the sense that many
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  of them have, like you said, knocking up the McKinley, like
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  some have tried drugs. This is his third time.
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  So you get a sense that it's trying to conquer the
• 17:40
  unconquerable Yasuko talking about the she's done 6 of the 7
• 17:45
  summits. So like you kind of get a sense
• 17:46
  these are a mixture of real amateur people, like who can't
• 17:50
  get up to McKinley, like Beck, right.
• 17:53
  And then other people that have tried before and then others
• 17:55
  that are this is just the last or the next thing in their To Do
• 17:59
  List. So I like variety.
• 18:00
  Yeah, I like the mixture. Makes it interesting.
• 18:02
  And because of all the faces, you just don't know what's gonna
• 18:04
  happen to any of them. Because if it was a really big
• 18:07
  star, like if Tom Cruise was in this.
• 18:09
  Yeah, he'll, yeah, he's going to make.
• 18:10
  It kind of assume or it would go the other way and I'll tell you
• 18:13
  something later. They fooled me in this in this
• 18:17
  OHT good. There's two instances in this
• 18:18
  movie where I was like. I'd like you to be fooled, but.
• 18:21
  Ohe yeah, here we go. And I was caught off guard.
• 18:25
  Good. So.
• 18:25
  Like to keep you on your toes? Because, well, you did nothing
• 18:27
  to do. With no, but it's just I'm just
• 18:29
  happy you have all your toes. Actually, I assume so.
• 18:32
  If not, maybe an extra 1? That's right.
• 18:33
  Yeah. What I do not love, just to get
• 18:36
  into something without being too gushy, is they talk about Doug's
• 18:40
  discount and, and how there's a quiet moment with him and yeah,
• 18:44
  and Rob is sort of like, that's OK, don't worry about it, OK.
• 18:47
  And then later it's give Beck the phone call, $25 a minute.
• 18:51
  Don't worry, it's on. Us.
• 18:53
  I like that and Rob seems like a nice guy.
• 18:55
  Well, I think this is something I want to talk about later.
• 18:57
  I'm going to put a pin, if you will, but these choices and
• 19:01
  these decisions in these moments, I think are designed to
• 19:04
  do something that I don't think the movie is correct in doing.
• 19:09
  OK, no, that's fine. We'll circle back, we'll go up
• 19:12
  and we'll come back down. Imagine doing all of that
• 19:15
  hungover. I could barely do anything when
• 19:18
  I'm hungover, let alone trying to attract.
• 19:20
  Yeah, that's the thought that popped into my head.
• 19:22
  And my other thought, of course, I don't know if you would have
• 19:25
  guessed that I had this idea in my head.
• 19:27
  When you have a lot of people in the movie, a lot of different
• 19:30
  climbers, not a lot of big names, but a couple, do they
• 19:34
  feel like climbers or are they just extras?
• 19:37
  Ohe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:39
  I was a little watching. Yeah.
• 19:40
  I was a little worried at the beginning, like.
• 19:42
  Too many people you. Can't.
• 19:44
  Are you gonna feel like you should be here now?
• 19:47
  Nobody really should be there in some sense.
• 19:49
  But anyways, I did not get that. I felt everybody wanting to be
• 19:53
  there for the reason that they stated.
• 19:56
  Yeah, I believe that. Yeah, for sure.
• 19:57
  I think everything was really authentic.
• 19:59
  It felt very, very truthful in the casting and the way it's
• 20:02
  presented for sure. Good job, casting director.
• 20:05
  What I really Found interesting right away is once we're on the
• 20:07
  track Found interesting right away is once we're on the track,
• 20:09
  what I think a movie like this needs to do, or when it's done
• 20:11
  right, are things like stakes. And we saw the foot earlier, the
• 20:18
  ramifications of what could happen up there.
• 20:20
  And then, as they're making their initial trek in, Beck
• 20:23
  looks over and sees a Sherpa carrying.
• 20:26
  A guy. Back and you can't breathe.
• 20:28
  And he looks frozen and beaten down.
• 20:32
  And they kind of allude to that later where Beck is talking
• 20:34
  about his. Yeah, I live with the depression
• 20:37
  when he's trying to explain what he's up here.
• 20:39
  Yeah. And he says, I love the dark
• 20:41
  cloud. Yeah.
• 20:42
  And when I'm up here, I feel free.
• 20:45
  I feel. And then I like that.
• 20:47
  But he kind of says, are you feeling good now?
• 20:49
  He says, not really, right. This is suffering.
• 20:51
  Yeah. You could feel the suffering.
• 20:54
  It's those elements along the way that plant the seed for
• 20:58
  what's to come. And I think it helps an audience
• 21:02
  find our people. So if we've met some people,
• 21:05
  there are people and we're watching, what could happen?
• 21:08
  I don't know who's making it or who's not.
• 21:10
  Make like you. Know we don't know that and
• 21:12
  that's something when we're dealing with real events is that
• 21:15
  takes away some of the creative control from the writer
• 21:19
  director. I would have liked a version or
• 21:22
  maybe Rob makes it right. Of course as a character, this
• 21:25
  heroic thing at the end and like this big feel good movie.
• 21:29
  Like there's no good guys and bad guys in this.
• 21:31
  There's just. People, yeah.
• 21:33
  I think the movie fails one other time in recognizing this
• 21:35
  sort of good guys, bad guys thing, because I think it does
• 21:38
  set up to make the South Africans villains in a weird
• 21:42
  way, in a very short scene that I don't know how it plays out
• 21:47
  against. Yeah, what happens?
• 21:49
  But they're definitely antagonistic in a way that I
• 21:52
  didn't expect. You know what's funny about that
• 21:54
  is when I saw them, because they all were wearing the same
• 21:56
  jacket. Twister Jonas, son of a bitch.
• 22:01
  That's right, that felt like that group.
• 22:04
  They're in it for the money, yeah, not the.
• 22:06
  Sign Exactly. OK, like we're gonna you don't
• 22:08
  tell us when to go. They are so corporate.
• 22:11
  Yeah. And I agree with you.
• 22:12
  I don't know the accuracies of that, but it stood out to me
• 22:16
  enough to make that comp, if you will, to Twister, which is
• 22:19
  obviously and made-up and like, OK, that's extreme version of
• 22:24
  people not wanting to work together.
• 22:26
  And that's the vibe I got there. But I was happy at least that
• 22:30
  later in the movie that Rob and Scott Fisher, they have
• 22:35
  different styles. Yeah, you're a hand holder.
• 22:38
  They shouldn't be up here if they can't do it right, so let's
• 22:41
  say fair. But Scott had a couple of drinks
• 22:44
  at this point, he's having a good time and they do agree to
• 22:49
  team up a little bit. To South Africa.
• 22:52
  Seems right, yeah. We don't really see much of them
• 22:54
  after. That that's the last thing you
• 22:56
  hear, right? So it just feels tacked on a
• 22:57
  little bit of like, why are you creating this tension?
• 23:00
  Feels like that's a movie thing. I don't know, maybe or not, but
• 23:02
  that's something that sticks out to me as being like the movie
• 23:05
  needs a villain and we need to band together.
• 23:08
  I did like banding together though, because I do like how
• 23:10
  their personalities are different.
• 23:12
  Sure, they're willing to put that aside for the safety of.
• 23:14
  The team for sure. But my thing with this movie is
• 23:16
  ultimately, if the shit hits the fan, I would suspect that
• 23:20
  working together, not working together, you're still going to
• 23:22
  say them. And I didn't really see them
• 23:23
  working together to win. It all goes down.
• 23:25
  It didn't really strike me as other than, hey, we need some
• 23:28
  oxygen. But I feel like it's key point
• 23:29
  somebody else would do. Like, I don't know, whatever, it
• 23:32
  all works. It just feels a little tacked.
• 23:33
  On Ish. But Anatoly, he's like, it's
• 23:36
  really all of us against the mountain and the mountain has
• 23:39
  the last word. I'm like.
• 23:40
  Yeah, turns out. Yeah, I think so.
• 23:43
  Even for him, I mean he died less than a year later on a
• 23:47
  different mountain. Climb.
• 23:48
  Yeah, that's, I'm telling you, like the heroes of the movie,
• 23:51
  everybody like involved in this thing.
• 23:53
  Oh my gosh, we're all dead in like pretty quickly.
• 23:56
  Not all of them, obviously, but you know, kind of a hero a
• 23:58
  little bit in the. Movie.
• 23:59
  Yeah, if I had to pick one that's kind of above the.
• 24:01
  Rest he died in 97. Hmm.
• 24:03
  Crazy. Kind of sad now.
• 24:04
  I'll tell you what is sad is Doug and Doug's cough presents
• 24:08
  itself very early. Yeah, was he the first to cough?
• 24:11
  He was. There's a few.
• 24:13
  There was some cough in that certainly elevated, let's say
• 24:16
  beyond the average. That was some good coffee.
• 24:18
  Clearing of throat. Yeah, he's a great actor, I told
• 24:20
  you. Check out his work.
• 24:22
  But just in general, I didn't like hearing the coughing, but
• 24:25
  it sounded like, Oh my gosh, that's a serious cough.
• 24:27
  Like you better see a doctor. Yes, about that.
• 24:30
  So definitely good cough acting. Yeah, he's great.
• 24:33
  Don't get Tommy Lee coughing. He can't do it.
• 24:35
  He can't yawn, Can't cough, but you can do everything else.
• 24:38
  Bad news, but I feel the movie is due for little bit of tension
• 24:41
  though. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean this sure.
• 24:44
  Would you agree? Yeah, it's ramping up.
• 24:46
  Ramping up What better to ramp up tension with a ladder, A long
• 24:51
  extension ladder. Over a crevasse.
• 24:53
  Yes. I was gonna ask you a little bit
• 24:56
  earlier about that long bridge. At what point are you out?
• 25:00
  I would have to say I would never be in OK.
• 25:03
  So let's say you did muster the courage.
• 25:06
  OK, you've done skydiving. Yeah, I don't like heights.
• 25:09
  Skydiving was somehow different. Different weird way.
• 25:11
  But if you start up there, it's different.
• 25:14
  You're on the opposite way here. But say you did muster the
• 25:17
  courage, At what point are you certainly out?
• 25:21
  I'm, I'm referring to there is a long Ridge earlier, but it looks
• 25:23
  pretty steady, like it's used regularly.
• 25:25
  It's pretty safe. But here, the ladder, the ladder
• 25:29
  itself is a challenge. I gotta be honest, if I made it
• 25:31
  here, I'm not making it any further.
• 25:33
  It's also coming on the heels of waiting like 45 minutes because
• 25:37
  the backlog at this section. So I've had plenty of time to
• 25:41
  process the fact that there's this fucking ladder that I have
• 25:43
  to get over. Yeah, you can't think.
• 25:45
  But when my wife did bungee jumping she was told and she's
• 25:47
  like, you just can't. Think you got it?
• 25:49
  Just do it. Just say the same thing with the
• 25:51
  flight. Yeah, just, you know, talking
• 25:53
  about you're not like hanging out looking.
• 25:54
  Oh, interesting. Oht Wow.
• 25:56
  Guess we'll do it, I mean. No, you're committing at that
• 25:58
  point, and that's one of the things I like about the
• 26:00
  characters that were introduced to you, right?
• 26:01
  They're all committed. But my gosh, the idea that this
• 26:05
  is just glacier ice with a pickaxe and a ladder is just a
• 26:10
  lot to take and I I would not last very long whatsoever.
• 26:14
  And they illustrated it pretty well.
• 26:16
  Yes, like the dangers of. Just going across on a totally.
• 26:19
  So here's the first button hook because I think to myself, Josh
• 26:22
  Brolin is too big an actor to be in this movie.
• 26:25
  OK, I think about the scene where he's talking to his wife.
• 26:28
  Oh, I forgot my first anniversary.
• 26:30
  I got a call Peach. Yeah what do you think about
• 26:36
  that Yeah. What do you think about that?
• 26:37
  I think it's great. Oh good.
• 26:38
  She nails it. Sure, she's great.
• 26:40
  She has nothing to do in the movie but delivers what she
• 26:42
  needs to paycheck. But the idea that the
• 26:47
  foreshadowing or the foreboding, this ratcheted a little high.
• 26:51
  So I'm thinking, yeah, here it is.
• 26:52
  Oh, you. This is the cliffhanger moment
• 26:54
  where some big action sequence is going to happen and take a
• 26:57
  big. He's going to die and there's
• 27:00
  going to be some sort of big because again, at this point, I
• 27:03
  don't know. It's a true story necessarily
• 27:05
  OHS I mean I know it's true story.
• 27:07
  They talked about Rob Hall and stuff like that, but I don't
• 27:09
  know what the true story is. Is what I'm yes, exactly.
• 27:11
  You don't know. So makes it that person could
• 27:13
  have died just as easily. The idea that they set them U as
• 27:18
  this brash guy. He's got an attitude a little
• 27:20
  bit. He's got a wife that he's got.
• 27:22
  I didn't tell it. Whatever the case, to me, I'm
• 27:24
  thinking, well, this is what happens and he obviously is
• 27:28
  saved. And I thought, oh, you got me
• 27:29
  there because I would have thought.
• 27:30
  This is the moment really you? Thought, OK, I would have
• 27:33
  thought you cast an actor like that.
• 27:34
  Yeah. And you either sell tickets.
• 27:37
  Yeah. It's a bait and switch, right?
• 27:38
  It's a Drew Barrymore and Scream.
• 27:39
  It's a Samuel Jackson. Sam Jackson.
• 27:42
  Deep blue sea. Correct.
• 27:43
  It's that same principle that got me.
• 27:44
  Yeah. Because you wouldn't expect he's
• 27:46
  too big an actor for this kind of.
• 27:48
  Things that you were wrong, Phillip.
• 27:49
  Well, obviously, yeah, I'm saying I'm wrong.
• 27:51
  I. Said I want to make sure you
• 27:53
  know that you were wrong. He made it, by the way.
• 27:57
  That's right, yeah. But he also says this is not why
• 28:00
  I paid you $65,000. A bit of an attitude.
• 28:03
  There, Yeah, Texas. And it makes sense.
• 28:05
  He's like, I'm going to wait 45 minutes to die on the side of a
• 28:07
  fucking hill. Like get over yourself.
• 28:10
  So like his attitude? You like his attitude?
• 28:12
  Yeah, alright. I don't mind it.
• 28:14
  I learned to like him. And if that doesn't clarify the
• 28:17
  dangers or the stakes or what you're involved in.
• 28:20
  Once when they're at camp one, which is at 19,500 feet For
• 28:24
  those who don't know, they talk about ripping off clothes
• 28:27
  because you're too hot. Yeah, mental edema or something.
• 28:30
  Yeah, swelling of the brain. Another something rebel edema.
• 28:34
  Thank you. And the last one was fluid in
• 28:36
  the lungs. Fluid in lungs.
• 28:37
  Very good though. Doctor Phil on the couch and
• 28:42
  then the goal and then they're at Camp 2, which is 21,300 feet
• 28:48
  and the back needs to make a phone call.
• 28:50
  Yes, $25 a minute. And like you mentioned earlier,
• 28:53
  Mr. Nice Guy, Yeah. And hell, didn't like that.
• 28:56
  You pick up on that? She's like profit here.
• 28:58
  No, I wonder if that's sort of trying to undercut the movie as
• 29:01
  well, or undercut the reality is like the pressure, the pressure
• 29:06
  of summiting, right? Helen makes a couple of comments
• 29:09
  throughout the movie of another year with no one at the summit.
• 29:13
  Oh, you know, Rob, we can't give the way the free stuff.
• 29:16
  Why are you giving Doug a discount, right?
• 29:18
  Like what's John going to say if nobody makes it to the top?
• 29:20
  That's exactly what. But so there's this element of
• 29:23
  corporate we have to succeed. And I suppose this gets into
• 29:26
  another, put a pin in it cause it's going to tie into the rest
• 29:28
  of it. Good.
• 29:29
  It'll add to what I want to chat about later.
• 29:32
  But it is kind of throughout the movie, these decisions that are
• 29:36
  made, or maybe think they're being made for a particular
• 29:39
  reason. Speaking of like decisions, we
• 29:42
  really find out at this next scene, which is quite
• 29:44
  interesting. Why is each person doing this?
• 29:48
  I think it's John who sparks. Of course.
• 29:50
  Yeah, he's question. He's the journalist.
• 29:53
  And what's the generic response, Phil, for those who don't know,
• 29:56
  because it's there, is that enough?
• 29:57
  Yeah, I think for a certain section of people.
• 30:00
  It is not for me, not for you, no.
• 30:02
  Let's go through them and then we'll go through us as if we
• 30:05
  were there. OK, put us on the.
• 30:07
  Hill Exactly. You seem to have taken a liking
• 30:09
  to Doug. Of course, Doug, Doug's my boy.
• 30:12
  He's got a great answer when asked what his wife thinks of
• 30:15
  the decisions he's made, and he says she's really fine with it.
• 30:18
  Since we got divorced. Yeah, yeah.
• 30:20
  Which I love, but he obviously talks about the kids, and
• 30:24
  Helen's kind of prompting to tell about the kids.
• 30:26
  Tell about the kids? Yeah, it's a beautiful story.
• 30:29
  It is nice. Inspirational.
• 30:30
  I mean, it could be good questionable, but the idea that
• 30:34
  yeah, he's choosing to summit for the children.
• 30:36
  He teaches a class or speaks at a class and they have a flag to
• 30:40
  put on and dream big right person the mailman from can be
• 30:45
  on Everest and Pika and some of it.
• 30:47
  That's pretty impressive stuff. Inspirational.
• 30:49
  Good. I'll handle Yasuoka if I'm
• 30:52
  saying that right. Lovely lady.
• 30:54
  Lovely lady. Hers is pretty easy.
• 30:56
  That's why I'm taking it. Yeah.
• 30:57
  The lay up. Yeah, she's done 6 out of seven.
• 30:59
  At 46 years old where 47 on the on that scale.
• 31:04
  I've done all, I've done it all. Oh yeah, done at all, buddy?
• 31:08
  Over. Seven.
• 31:09
  OK. Yeah, yeah.
• 31:10
  If you what you want to. Hear strange that you have
• 31:12
  peaked, but no I. Have not not on any of the
• 31:15
  different kind of people different much different peak
• 31:19
  Well yeah, she's. Got to finish it off here good
• 31:21
  for her at this point that's a valid enough reason If have you
• 31:24
  done the other six why not go for it all that's fair,
• 31:27
  absolutely and that's all we really get as to the real wise
• 31:30
  right like we don't go, you know individual by.
• 31:32
  Industry, yeah, those are the ones that.
• 31:34
  Stand out. But we know Rob is doing it for
• 31:37
  family, for his business. He's got a kid on the way, as
• 31:40
  they said, and he finds out it's a girl.
• 31:43
  He's very excited about this and he says a little bit later he
• 31:47
  wants to name the kid Sarah. It's nice name biblical.
• 31:50
  Apparently Jan is not a fan. Oh yeah, It was like, really not
• 31:55
  a fan. Wasn't her first choice.
• 31:56
  What was her first choice? Emma?
• 31:58
  I don't know. That's what I'm saying.
• 32:00
  Like it's not even like it's a plot point.
• 32:01
  He just says name her Sarah and she's like, no, fuck off.
• 32:04
  That's not. Listen, she's carrying it.
• 32:06
  I guess she has a say in the matter.
• 32:07
  I just mean like what? We don't have any back story.
• 32:09
  Maybe it's like an ex-girlfriend right?
• 32:11
  That's that's a problem. But tell me for you, Phil,
• 32:17
  before we get further, if you can think of something while you
• 32:19
  would do it. I think probably for the same
• 32:22
  reason. Because it's there.
• 32:25
  More thinking in terms of a combination of Beck and Yasuko,
• 32:30
  OK, which is I don't have a like a depression in my life
• 32:34
  necessarily, but we talk a lot about purpose and direction and
• 32:38
  feeling something bigger than me and whatever else achieving
• 32:43
  something that is that the decisions that I took to get to
• 32:47
  here, I live with them. Some have been great, some have
• 32:50
  been questionable, and some of them just been outright bad.
• 32:52
  That's. Life, we're talking to you.
• 32:54
  That's how we go through life, right?
• 32:56
  Like, you know, the story and thinking one big thing to do.
• 33:00
  By the time I'm 50 or 47 or whatever, it's not that, you
• 33:04
  know, not Everest, but climbing in some level or whatever, or
• 33:08
  deep sea diving or jumping out of a plane or just doing
• 33:10
  something. You've done that, so you're good
• 33:12
  to. Go, I did that a few years ago,
• 33:14
  but just the idea of doing something bigger than just the
• 33:18
  day-to-day feels inspiring an interesting to me as I get older
• 33:22
  in life. Not quite as death defying
• 33:24
  necessarily, but just something doing something bigger than me.
• 33:27
  Gotcha. Good answer for yourself that
• 33:29
  sounds. Scripted, but I'll take it.
• 33:31
  I definitely couldn't understand the why.
• 33:34
  OK for this specific venture. Too cold.
• 33:37
  It's chilly. But that night that I watched
• 33:40
  the movie, I fell asleep like most nights.
• 33:43
  If I'm lucky. Sure.
• 33:44
  No deep Ram. I'm good.
• 33:45
  Yeah. You're solid.
• 33:46
  And I have a dream about Everest.
• 33:49
  Ohhh. And I still remember it vividly.
• 33:52
  After watching the movie like it's sunk in, yeah, OK.
• 33:54
  And this has been a week, I think, since I watched it and
• 33:57
  had this dream. And I say to myself in the
• 34:00
  dream, I know I'm in a dream, but man, this feels real.
• 34:04
  OK. I don't think I've ever said
• 34:06
  that. Interesting.
• 34:07
  Yeah. I'm reaching new levels, buddy,
• 34:08
  Inception levels here. Then I walk out to what is
• 34:13
  considered in dream world, the top of Everest.
• 34:16
  OK, but it's not a peak. It's a big, flat surface, the
• 34:21
  landing. Landing, Yeah, where I can walk
• 34:23
  freely. And it's like a combination of
• 34:25
  snow and ice. And I can feel the crunch that
• 34:28
  my feet make safely walking across.
• 34:31
  And then I look up and it feels like I'm almost in outer space.
• 34:36
  The stars are like in an arms length.
• 34:39
  And it's a really cool, vivid moment of pure peace and
• 34:45
  harmony. And I'm alone and I'm just up
• 34:48
  there in the sky, tranquility, everything.
• 34:51
  And then I walk back and then it's daytime and there's like a
• 34:56
  little house and someone's living there and like, that's
• 34:59
  the life. Complete peace and tranquility?
• 35:02
  Sure. Complete isolation from all the
• 35:04
  troubles in your life. It's a nice little home.
• 35:06
  Had a mailbox. That's what I remember Doug
• 35:09
  delivered earlier Exactly. And the rest of the dream didn't
• 35:14
  really make sense. But that section, crystal clear,
• 35:17
  crystal clear. And I woke up.
• 35:19
  That's why, that's why people do it.
• 35:21
  And they must get that feeling of freedom.
• 35:25
  Euphoria on some level, even if it's the edema.
• 35:28
  Yeah, right. Like even if it is just your
• 35:30
  brain. Playing track of oxygen, yeah,
• 35:32
  especially for Anatoli, who doesn't take up oxygen because
• 35:35
  he's too cool for that. But yeah, so that's quite
• 35:38
  interesting. Yeah, it's that's.
• 35:39
  Someone do it. But yeah, no, that's why it's,
• 35:41
  it was enough, you know? That's right.
• 35:43
  I was there. Yeah, actually just.
• 35:45
  Yeah. They're starting the track and
• 35:55
  we immediately have an accident. Ice falls, the glaciers shifts.
• 36:01
  Oh yeah, right. And the Harold.
• 36:03
  Yeah, yeah, they managed to save survive it.
• 36:06
  Yeah, no problem. But again, we're setting stakes
• 36:08
  here. This is this is things are
• 36:10
  shifting and you kind of mentioned it earlier, Rob does
• 36:12
  in his speech prior is ever shifting narrow windows.
• 36:16
  You got to move fast. You got to be willing to go.
• 36:19
  So right away we're like, oh, this is fine.
• 36:22
  They're walking up the hill. They got the ropes.
• 36:23
  And then one shift, yeah, and it can all go to shit.
• 36:27
  And I thought very effective and good idea just from storytelling
• 36:31
  to set that up now because of what's about to happen, you
• 36:35
  know, sort of down the line. And Annie's a professional.
• 36:38
  It's true. He was like, whoa, he shook.
• 36:40
  He was shook, but luckily we reached camp three, 24,000 feet
• 36:44
  up. I got the numbers, buddy.
• 36:46
  Sure, I get the impression, and you probably do too, because
• 36:50
  you're smart. Scott's pushing.
• 36:53
  Himself, Yes. Making some questionable calls.
• 36:55
  He's got a bad stomach. And the weather is also moving.
• 36:57
  Fast. This is another thing.
• 36:59
  I have a question about. Put another pin.
• 37:01
  Put another pin in that. OK, you need to be tracking
• 37:03
  this. Because I've got, But yeah, Jake
• 37:07
  is definitely letting on that he's looking a little rough,
• 37:09
  feeling a little rough. This is an element, true or not
• 37:13
  is irrelevant to me, but it felt like I don't really understand
• 37:16
  this character very much. I like him, I like his vibe, I
• 37:20
  like the actor, obviously the performance of that.
• 37:22
  But I'm not really sure where this decision making is coming
• 37:25
  from. And if it's true, all the fine.
• 37:27
  Like I have no issue with it but I just wonder if he's suffering
• 37:30
  like that or seemingly suffering like that, why continue on And
• 37:33
  like his brashness maybe I guess overtakes?
• 37:36
  He seems to portray a pretty young guy.
• 37:38
  Maybe he just thinks he's invincible at that age.
• 37:41
  I thought I was, too. When I was young.
• 37:43
  I was like, I can drink, I can do all this stuff and still do
• 37:45
  these things. Sure.
• 37:46
  So that's the impression I got. And it's just unfortunate
• 37:49
  because of what? Happens, but he definitely is
• 37:52
  pushing himself. I'll take him down, I'll run him
• 37:54
  back up right. Like I'll be right on your
• 37:56
  heels. That kind of.
• 37:56
  Stuff like take a break and Rob take a day's trying to tell him.
• 38:00
  Well, this is Rob, right? He's he's a hand.
• 38:03
  Hold the pin they're taking. The weather is getting bad.
• 38:07
  It's starting to look bad for the 11th of May.
• 38:09
  It's the word from Helen, who's monitoring, obviously at base
• 38:12
  camp and they suffer a bit of a storm.
• 38:14
  They kind of turned back and they settle.
• 38:16
  Up. But then at 2:00 AM, right?
• 38:20
  Can you be ready in half an? Hour.
• 38:22
  Yeah, let's go. Could you get in that headspace
• 38:25
  where you're maybe sleeping and then someone tells you we're
• 38:29
  going to? I'm a very light sleeper, yeah,
• 38:32
  and I am very much like I can open my eyes and be ready in 3
• 38:35
  minutes. Oh, so you're fine.
• 38:36
  So like this is not. Bro I'm not a deep sleeper where
• 38:38
  I'm groggy. What?
• 38:39
  Where are we at? Like the?
• 38:40
  First in line, let's get up there on like let's peek a
• 38:43
  travel. Lucky day someone likes us up.
• 39:07
  There May 10th. Let's go.
• 39:08
  Window of opportunity to head up to the balcony, which is 27,600
• 39:14
  feet. That's I don't like the sound of
• 39:15
  that. No, that's not where I want to
• 39:17
  have a balcony is no, no lanai up there.
• 39:19
  Thank you very much. Yeah, they say it takes 12 hours
• 39:22
  to the top. They got a 2:00 PM turn around
• 39:24
  and they're losing time, so let's.
• 39:26
  Go time and we have back. Right away.
• 39:29
  Having some eye issues, yeah. Vision problems.
• 39:33
  Had surgery a couple years ago. Could be that, sure, but that's
• 39:36
  gonna be a bit of an issue. So I think to myself, oh, you
• 39:39
  got me with the. Ladder.
• 39:41
  Here it is. This is the spot.
• 39:43
  This is it, Yeah, No. Like this is the cause.
• 39:45
  Eventually we're like, Oh yeah, no, no, he's.
• 39:47
  Just going to sit down and relax.
• 39:49
  I'll be right. He's fine.
• 39:50
  We're about an hour into the movie and we really reached the
• 39:53
  crux, the pivot point. This is big.
• 39:56
  The ropes aren't. Set.
• 39:57
  Oh my gosh. This scene Tense.
• 39:59
  Tense. That was done in a studio.
• 40:01
  Though Oh yeah, sure doesn't matter.
• 40:03
  I don't know, just well done that's.
• 40:04
  Actually a good point to bring up is that at any point did you
• 40:08
  feel? This is where the whole time.
• 40:11
  And I think it's a really good mixture of the practical stage
• 40:14
  work, real life on some mountain, obviously not Everest,
• 40:18
  but like on a mountain and some CGI obviously pepper it in.
• 40:22
  I thought very. Effective these green screens
• 40:25
  and they brought in snow, they brought in and made a room
• 40:27
  colder for Rob scene later. And yeah, I always felt they
• 40:30
  brought in really bright specific types of lights to get
• 40:34
  the right sun because of the way it is at that OK elevation, if
• 40:37
  you will. So I was really impressed with
• 40:40
  the cinematography of it and making me feel like I'm there.
• 40:43
  Yeah, and I'm cold. Phil yeah, I thought it was
• 40:45
  effective, very effective for that.
• 40:47
  I felt very into whatever was happening on the movie I totally
• 40:50
  bought. It and the problem with that is
• 40:51
  the first time I watched it, I was anxious for about half of
• 40:54
  it. Second time I'm anxious at the
• 40:56
  beginning because I know, right, like I'm feeling like it's my
• 41:00
  gut. I'm like, man.
• 41:01
  And that's, I think I said something about the movie.
• 41:03
  It does take away maybe a little bit of the enjoyment because
• 41:06
  anxiety isn't the best thing to feel, but it tells you they've
• 41:09
  done something right to make you feel that you're there with them
• 41:12
  to some level. Yeah, I think it's a compliment
• 41:15
  to the filmmaking to feel like you're on Everest, and I think
• 41:17
  it's compliment to the performances that you care what
• 41:20
  happens on Everest. It's a good blend of those two
• 41:22
  elements, I think. And because of the no ropes
• 41:26
  slows everything down to someone.
• 41:29
  Fucked up just walk you out. Just that walk though across
• 41:32
  like if I wasn't out at the ladder this is I'm not doing.
• 41:36
  That miserable. I told he's going to help out.
• 41:39
  Course, everyone's kind of pitching in, but my gosh.
• 41:41
  That's the teamwork I'm talking about, buddy.
• 41:43
  That's. True.
• 41:44
  Doug is struggling, though. Yeah, and a few members of Rob's
• 41:49
  team are just like, we can't, we're wasting too much time
• 41:51
  here. We're gonna go back.
• 41:52
  Yeah, I think three people come down.
• 41:54
  Stewart is one of them. How I think is even more no,
• 41:57
  he's working, but he's he's soon to leave.
• 41:58
  Right. Lou Stewart and the other guy
• 42:00
  got the tenors. That's right.
• 42:04
  And I think this is where Helen is anxious about like, oh shit,
• 42:08
  like, are we? Going to turn.
• 42:09
  Oh yeah. What's happening on the hill
• 42:10
  there? Safety first.
• 42:12
  They now establish that they're more than an hour behind, but I
• 42:16
  totally summits and now, OK, so we spent it halfway through the
• 42:20
  for the movie like that. This is a great pivot point.
• 42:24
  Reminds me a little bit of Fury Rd. same year, but we sort of
• 42:27
  reached an hour into the movie. We've gotten to where we're
• 42:30
  supposed to. Go that you're looking at your
• 42:32
  watch like I think we're about halfway through.
• 42:33
  The movie basically, it felt like that, and I was like, Oh
• 42:36
  yeah, this is how you structure this movie?
• 42:38
  Makes sense, but it means that what's on the horizon is
• 42:41
  probably not going to be too. Great.
• 42:43
  But we didn't seem too bad, right?
• 42:44
  OK, we're there. We're there.
• 42:46
  Everyone's happy. It's harder to go up and I would
• 42:48
  think that down. Yasko is is there, she puts her
• 42:51
  flag in and Rob is very proud of her.
• 42:54
  Everything is really positive and John was there first.
• 42:59
  Sure, he earned it. Doug is well behind.
• 43:05
  Well, behind, Yeah, Scott tells Rob he's the way, way back.
• 43:09
  Oh, Speaking of Scott, man, he is not looking good.
• 43:12
  Things are just starting to get a little dicey.
• 43:15
  I'm just going to say dicey. They've got no full oxygen
• 43:18
  bottles. There's a couple of half.
• 43:19
  Ones, yeah, there's some confusion around that with Andy,
• 43:22
  slash, Harold and John and where they are, I don't know
• 43:25
  necessarily logistics of everything, but.
• 43:27
  They're at some halfway or some point along the way when there
• 43:31
  is no oxygen or like no full. Models and that's what she need.
• 43:35
  That was made clear earlier. If you need.
• 43:38
  Oxygen. That'll be the thing that will
• 43:39
  likely get you Helen and the Doctor lady.
• 43:42
  That's right. So here we have Doug, though.
• 43:45
  Yeah, Rob calls it. You can't do it, buddy.
• 43:48
  You got around, you gotta turn around.
• 43:49
  Yeah, this is the fork in the road.
• 43:52
  Yeah, this is a decision needs to be made.
• 43:54
  Yeah. And Rob has been laid out as the
• 43:58
  guy that will say we are turning around.
• 44:01
  No, if Ands or buts it's not happening.
• 44:04
  No. But this is.
• 44:05
  Doug's last time. Well, maybe they could try
• 44:07
  again. Yeah.
• 44:10
  So third times the charm. Yeah.
• 44:12
  And Rob, alright, we're doing. It so this is I'm going to take
• 44:16
  out some pins. Perfect.
• 44:17
  That's a good time to take out some pins, Rob.
• 44:19
  As hero, what are your thoughts? Rob as hero, This is a tough one
• 44:26
  when you're dealing in this world of real events.
• 44:30
  There's a fine line sometimes and we haven't talked about them
• 44:32
  yet, but Worthington, who plays Guy later between courage and
• 44:37
  cowardness and they're making the right decision.
• 44:40
  A lot of it's hindsight, sure aspects.
• 44:42
  I understand that he wants. There's a connection there.
• 44:45
  They've had moments. Yeah, there's.
• 44:47
  That's been established. So hero.
• 44:50
  I don't know. I don't have an.
• 44:52
  Answer. I think the movie is presenting
• 44:54
  him as such and with him giving Doug the break on finances by
• 44:58
  giving back the break on his expenses.
• 45:00
  So you think the? Movie training him.
• 45:02
  I think they're trying to put them into a positive light, and
• 45:05
  I'm not saying he isn't. Yeah, but these decisions are
• 45:07
  critical and they basically killed everybody and himself,
• 45:10
  right? If you really think about it, by
• 45:12
  slowing everybody down and waiting for Doug, Beck says I'm
• 45:16
  going to wait for Rob and Rob says I told back to go down with
• 45:20
  the first two guys going. Down.
• 45:22
  Yeah, I heard that. I think there's a
• 45:23
  miscommunication there. The idea is like, well, Rob will
• 45:26
  save me, and then Rob never comes.
• 45:28
  So what happens to Beck? Happens to Beck in part because
• 45:31
  he's like no no no, I'll get Rob on the way back.
• 45:33
  And then there's Harold, who ends up going back.
• 45:35
  Up. And then how?
• 45:36
  Because he doesn't have the oxygen.
• 45:37
  He needs more people to go up to save Rob because he waited.
• 45:41
  Yeah, 3 hours to summit past or two hours past the cut off, the
• 45:45
  turn around point to save Doug, right?
• 45:48
  So I'm not saying he's not a hero, like I'm not here to cast
• 45:51
  aspersions, right? But the movie I think is
• 45:52
  presenting him as this like, oh, what a good guy.
• 45:56
  And I think the way this movie is presented, right or wrong,
• 45:59
  every decision Rob makes effectively kills people and
• 46:03
  causes a lot of what happens. Here, the timing of things,
• 46:06
  logistics of things. When it's in movie form, how
• 46:10
  it's displayed may not be accurate.
• 46:12
  We cut right to Doug. Oh, he's at the top now.
• 46:15
  That didn't take that long. But in reality, it took two
• 46:18
  hours, two hours. So, yeah, So when they say it.
• 46:21
  But sometimes because they're there for me as a viewer and may
• 46:25
  not sink in. So I don't think it's sunk in.
• 46:28
  That's the cause of all these deaths.
• 46:30
  Now I agree with you that he got himself killed and dug and
• 46:35
  Harold. Yeah, that would bother me.
• 46:37
  I know if it's the Virgin River, I don't even like the show.
• 46:41
  What a good face. Got a sweet?
• 46:42
  Face, I mean he died and wind talkers.
• 46:43
  I don't need to go through this again but that's an interesting
• 46:47
  point. Didn't get hit the full
• 46:48
  portrayal of him being a hero though.
• 46:51
  I got him just being a nice guy and he felt bad for Doug.
• 46:55
  Yeah, not hero level. The only issue I really have
• 46:58
  with it ultimately is a the movie presents him as the hero.
• 47:00
  He's the star of the movie ends with his daughter, right?
• 47:02
  Like he is the lead. Actor in the lead.
• 47:04
  Whatever. But my issue is more about the
• 47:07
  choices that this person ultimately made.
• 47:10
  You don't know the future, right?
• 47:11
  But they know the bad weather is happening on the 11th.
• 47:14
  You know this window he's supposed to be.
• 47:16
  Typically makes the right. Call guy on the mountain, right?
• 47:19
  He's your go to. He runs this company.
• 47:21
  I would hope that if Doug is in front of me, I have the ability
• 47:26
  to say this isn't opening, let's go to save everybody and we'll
• 47:29
  come back or not That's it. So it bothers me a little bit
• 47:33
  just that not making that assertive call regardless of who
• 47:37
  dies or doesn't, but just knowing the mountain and knowing
• 47:40
  your 2:00 and being so stern on it and then caving just feels a
• 47:44
  little shitty. And it's real.
• 47:46
  Like that stuff happens. So again, it's not a movie
• 47:48
  problem, it's a. Character problem.
• 47:50
  Let me play devil's advocate, because I don't get to do that
• 47:52
  often. It's a fun role.
• 47:54
  It's all Doug's fault. Oh yeah, sure, you could put it
• 47:56
  on spinach. Sure.
• 47:57
  Spin it. He's not running the show.
• 48:02
  Rob's running the show. I know ultimately pay him to
• 48:04
  bring you safely down, he says to himself.
• 48:06
  I know, but this is third time he really wants it for him and
• 48:09
  he obviously led his personal feelings affect his judgment.
• 48:12
  I think that's what we have here.
• 48:14
  It's a tough call. It's just sucks.
• 48:15
  It sucks. Absolutely.
• 48:17
  And it's heartbreaking. I'm not like I'm not complaining
• 48:19
  like I'm not complaining about like the movies portrayal of it,
• 48:21
  but I'm just like the IT. Feels.
• 48:24
  I think the difference between us is you got the bigger feeling
• 48:27
  of the hero's portrayal and that I got I got the more of you're a
• 48:31
  nice guy. Yeah.
• 48:32
  So I think that's where our slight disconnect is.
• 48:34
  But facts are facts. Unfortunately.
• 48:37
  Being a nice guy or a hero? Save anybody?
• 48:39
  No either way. Either way, it's not great.
• 48:43
  Yeah. And this is a good opportunity
• 48:45
  to talk about Guy Sam Worthington.
• 48:48
  Yeah, yeah. He was a nothing guy for me in
• 48:50
  Avatar, sure, but now I know him like, oh that's the guy from
• 48:54
  Avatar, sure, nice guy. Good looking guy.
• 48:57
  He's talking to Rob like Robbie, he got to come down.
• 49:00
  Yeah. Are you able to come down?
• 49:02
  Almost. Well, I think he more or less
• 49:04
  says forget about Duck, basically.
• 49:06
  And he's not wrong. Yeah, because Rob is saying Doug
• 49:09
  is fucked up. Yeah.
• 49:11
  So he's like, are you? OK.
• 49:12
  Can you come down? I think it's time.
• 49:14
  Yeah, and Rob says we're not there yet.
• 49:16
  Yeah, I think you are. I am.
• 49:18
  And when? And I'm thinking when Doug dies.
• 49:21
  I I liked the death scene in the fact where they don't follow the
• 49:24
  body totally. I think that's a good choice.
• 49:28
  I'm thinking now Rob might have a chance.
• 49:29
  And I don't mean that in a mean way, but I think you're better
• 49:33
  off just you getting down now. Unfortunately, it's too late at
• 49:38
  this point, but give me a little bit on guy like his role in this
• 49:42
  movie. I'm thinking, are you going to
• 49:44
  go up there? Are you going to save the day?
• 49:45
  Like what's your role? Are you going to talk on the
• 49:47
  walkie? He ends up going back to base
• 49:49
  camp, so any. Thoughts.
• 49:51
  And I don't really know who this character is, and I don't know
• 49:54
  his usual Yeah. So I have no real thought of
• 49:57
  what he's going to do or not do, because he's only introduced as
• 49:59
  sort of a guy on the mountain. Yeah, I think he's part of
• 50:02
  another team. I originally thought he was with
• 50:04
  the Everest team because as I mentioned, that was shot at the
• 50:07
  same time. Oh, maybe.
• 50:09
  And all this was happening. So when that Everest movie came
• 50:11
  out, it's just after it's all throughout the same 96.
• 50:15
  It comes out in 98, I think. So it's of this tour.
• 50:18
  They end up finding Rob's body in that documentary and there
• 50:22
  were buddies. I don't remember the names, but
• 50:24
  perhaps he is that that And so he's not the skilled climber
• 50:28
  necessarily that Will got. You the things maybe that.
• 50:31
  That's my thought. I think you might be right on
• 50:33
  that. I equate this movie.
• 50:35
  There's a little bit later, but right around this time when the
• 50:38
  weather gets really bad, things are getting crazy.
• 50:40
  Doug is gone, Rob is stranded and, you know, we're trying to
• 50:45
  come up with solutions and Beck and Blizzards and everything is
• 50:48
  kind of going crazy. You see that big cloud?
• 50:49
  Coming. It reminded me a lot of the
• 50:51
  perfect storm. Have you seen the perfect?
• 50:52
  Storm I have a couple of times actually.
• 50:54
  Perfect. This movie very much reminds me
• 50:57
  of that. Yeah, I can see.
• 50:58
  That the difference is, of course, if you recall that
• 51:00
  movie, nobody on the boat survives and.
• 51:04
  Well I can't say spoiler cause I claimed to have seen it, I just
• 51:07
  didn't remember. That Yeah.
• 51:09
  So nobody lives. And so the story of these 8
• 51:12
  fishermen in the ocean and what happens.
• 51:14
  True story, right? It's based on a true story.
• 51:17
  But no one on the boat came back to tell the story.
• 51:19
  So every conversation that happened on the boat is
• 51:21
  completely fabricated. Oh yeah, yeah, I didn't even
• 51:25
  think of that. Now this story, there are
• 51:27
  survivors, there are people at base camp that were having these
• 51:30
  conversations with Rob Jan was a person who has a baby.
• 51:33
  Scott Fisher was a guy who ran a company.
• 51:35
  I told right? Like those people that live back
• 51:39
  and so forth that lived told the story.
• 51:42
  Hmm. And the people that talked to
• 51:44
  Rob on the mountain told the story.
• 51:46
  So I believe that they offered him these things and.
• 51:49
  For sure, yeah. Declined to come down.
• 51:52
  My issue is sort of, I think he should know better.
• 51:55
  He should know better, Yeah. And for his safety and the
• 51:57
  safety of everybody else, he teases.
• 52:00
  Or they kind of make fun of it totally earlier.
• 52:03
  No oxygen. Oxygen.
• 52:04
  You're a guide now. What are you talking about?
• 52:05
  Like you have to have. Everybody on my team goes up
• 52:08
  without. That's right.
• 52:08
  And Harold's like, no. Problem no problem and they have
• 52:11
  some and there's some issues but I just think if that is your
• 52:14
  commitment Problem, No problem. And they have some and there's
• 52:11
  some issues, but I just think if that is your commitment, you
• 52:15
  gotta look at the big picture at all times if you're the leader
• 52:18
  of a group. And at this rate he basically
• 52:19
  abandons his group for Doug and then ultimately pays the
• 52:24
  sacrifice, I don't think I have a problem with it.
• 52:26
  I think maybe my issue is it makes me sad that these
• 52:29
  decisions are the things that end up destroying him and
• 52:32
  everybody. Else my wife said about the
• 52:34
  movie, she said it was sad for its time, 2015.
• 52:38
  That's what she says. Like it was.
• 52:40
  It was really sad. Maybe Scott Fisher's character
• 52:43
  was rubbing off on him. Maybe Cavalier.
• 52:45
  Maybe they shouldn't have teamed up.
• 52:46
  And maybe, yeah, you don't want to prove that I'm not such a
• 52:50
  stickler, but. Yeah, I think more than it made
• 52:52
  me angry, just made me sad. It was sad that a couple of
• 52:54
  these decisions would have go one way or another, and you knew
• 52:58
  what was on the horizon. You live in this world, right?
• 53:01
  So that hurt. Yeah, I think sadness trumped
• 53:04
  anger. And Speaking of Scott, at this
• 53:06
  point it's not looking too good. No, I again, I like yourself.
• 53:10
  I don't know who lives and who dies.
• 53:12
  Well, I know Doug dies. That's all I know at this point.
• 53:15
  And don't take Scott away, but I think the they didn't make it
• 53:19
  too obvious, but I had a pretty good impression earlier in the
• 53:22
  movie that he maybe one of the the non survivors.
• 53:25
  He was struggling. Yeah, you're the cough.
• 53:27
  He barely made it to the top. Looked like shit stomach issues
• 53:30
  and he, you know, freezes to death.
• 53:33
  Only God and his team that didn't make it.
• 53:35
  That's true. Rob Steam almost decimated
• 53:37
  completely and everybody on his. Team.
• 53:38
  They talk about that at the peak, actually.
• 53:40
  Yeah. So not only did they summit, but
• 53:42
  everybody made it out alive except him.
• 53:45
  That is kind of ironic based on his strategy, his approach, his
• 53:48
  approach. Interesting.
• 53:49
  And Rob does say later, earlier I had a mixed bag right on the
• 53:53
  side. Yeah, I had a mix, you know.
• 53:54
  Whatever that means you next, you're only as fast as your.
• 53:57
  Dog, you're only as fast as. I was gonna do the Buffalo
• 54:00
  thing, you know, the slowest Buffalo.
• 54:02
  Yeah, sure. Herd.
• 54:03
  The herd bit thing. Yeah, You know I'm.
• 54:05
  Talking the antelopes and the Yeah, right.
• 54:07
  What I like about it is the simplicity of actually all the,
• 54:12
  I should say all the deaths. But when Scott collapses,
• 54:15
  effectively he just taps on one of his Sherpas.
• 54:18
  And just as I'm done, I'm done. Go and.
• 54:22
  The he said sure, I'm out. Yeah, but I think there's
• 54:24
  something powerful in the acceptance of what's happening.
• 54:28
  Like in a really sad way. I lost when I think about he's
• 54:31
  almost. Ready for it?
• 54:32
  Maybe, I don't know, maybe you wanted.
• 54:33
  To I don't, I mean, it's tough to say, but when I think about
• 54:37
  one of the things that terrifies me in life is not the thought
• 54:41
  that I'm going to die. We all do it, but then I'm going
• 54:45
  to die today or like soon. And when you're drowning,
• 54:50
  burning asphyxiation, like whatever the case, ask Phil
• 54:53
  Connor see knows that's right. He's done it all, buddy.
• 54:56
  He's done it all. It's the feeling that it's
• 54:59
  happening, right. Everyone, like I want to fall
• 55:01
  asleep and you know, just don't wake up, right.
• 55:04
  Of that, when you're 90, having sex, that's ultimately,
• 55:06
  ultimately to go. When my mother died, it was
• 55:09
  like, I wonder at what point she knows this is it and how long
• 55:15
  before you actually die that you've already, you know, like.
• 55:19
  And so Scott here is like, I'm fucked.
• 55:22
  And did you know you're fucked 2 days ago, or a day ago, or an
• 55:26
  hour ago, or a month? You know?
• 55:28
  Just now you're getting Yeah, wait a.
• 55:30
  Minute, and I'd rather it be. In the moment.
• 55:32
  Now I'm done and and have it happen fast rather than on your
• 55:36
  way down gradually realizing. And guys like Rob, it's like the
• 55:41
  scariest thing. Not this specific case.
• 55:45
  Yeah, but generally it's the scariest thing I can think of
• 55:47
  because you're freezing. Whatever it is, Doug's gone and
• 55:51
  it's fast. How when that happens we'll get
• 55:54
  to. But like, those are fast things.
• 55:56
  This is a slower burn. Yeah, if you will.
• 55:58
  Yeah. That's the point.
• 55:59
  Really makes me sad. And so his saying I'm done feels
• 56:02
  eerily reminiscent of my mom. Cancer is not going away.
• 56:05
  Yeah, it'll take. Yeah, It's just a matter of
• 56:07
  time. And so here's our options.
• 56:09
  And she's just like, I'm done. I can't.
• 56:11
  Religion, buddy. Find it.
• 56:14
  Looked after, actually. Yeah, yeah.
• 56:16
  Didn't take, didn't take much. 2002 I spent a long time trying
• 56:18
  to figure. Out yeah, every saying that
• 56:20
  yeah, yeah yeah, Jesus Christ Superstar wasn't enough to bring
• 56:22
  it. Back No.
• 56:33
  I feel like Scott and Doug have sucked up a lot of the oxygen
• 56:37
  about talking about deaths and we have nothing left for Andy
• 56:41
  Harold. Hell yeah.
• 56:43
  The foreshadowing of feeling the heat.
• 56:45
  Oh, the hypothermia. Yeah, yeah, he's taking off his
• 56:47
  jacket and. Falls.
• 56:49
  That's it. Slips almost, yeah.
• 56:51
  That was sad. I like this guy.
• 56:53
  I don't know what it is and he didn't really want to go.
• 56:55
  Back. No, he did not.
• 56:57
  They were in closer earshot. He lives, right?
• 57:01
  Or at least lives maybe for another year, but eventually,
• 57:03
  yeah. And Rob's like I need help.
• 57:05
  Yep. You gotta come up here.
• 57:06
  Yeah. So because of Doug, Yeah.
• 57:09
  Because it Doug. So that was sad.
• 57:12
  And then we have a little bit of long distance calls which I
• 57:16
  don't know who's paying for these ones.
• 57:19
  Guy in particular thinks that maybe Jan, if anybody, can
• 57:25
  motivate Rob to get moving. Yeah, I think that's.
• 57:30
  Karen Knightley can't do it, and you can hear it in his voice.
• 57:35
  This is an incredible scene. I love the.
• 57:37
  Scene It is a great scene, and at this point I don't know if he
• 57:39
  makes it right there is that he's going to make it.
• 57:42
  Someone's gonna get to him. He's the hero, right?
• 57:44
  He's the hero, the. Moving people died in it, so we
• 57:47
  don't necessarily need anybody else to die, but because of the
• 57:50
  creative limitations, what happens happens.
• 57:53
  A powerful sad moments here. Yeah you're saying that if it
• 57:56
  were a movie movie he probably would Yeah, you're saying that
• 57:56
  if it were a movie movie, he probably would.
• 57:58
  Have lived, that's what I mean, Yeah, The guy ends up I'm going
• 58:02
  up, I'm the guy and that's what I mean.
• 58:04
  It changes things for me when I say this is based on a true
• 58:07
  story that I know I'm may not get certain things that maybe I
• 58:11
  wanted. I wanted more of a It's cold,
• 58:14
  it's Everest, it's a movie. Give me that Armageddon moment.
• 58:17
  Sure, I've accepted I'm not going to get that.
• 58:19
  And you know, that's fine. Yeah, I still enjoyed what I was
• 58:22
  watching. Yeah, I thought that scene
• 58:23
  between Jan and he was fantastic.
• 58:25
  I loved, as you're saying, the pain and anguish in his voice,
• 58:29
  cutting to him basically caked into the mountain top.
• 58:32
  He talks about how his hands are frozen, his feet are frozen.
• 58:35
  It's like I'm cold. This is almost like I'm.
• 58:38
  But I'm comfortable or something like that.
• 58:40
  And I thought that's what you say to somebody, you know, But
• 58:43
  yeah, it's clear at this point that.
• 58:45
  This is like my last. That things are happening, she's
• 58:48
  saying. Come on down.
• 58:50
  Didn't work. And he does rise from there.
• 58:53
  He's not over yet. Like he makes another grasp at
• 58:55
  something from that for sure. But what's really sad to me is
• 59:00
  everybody is listening, right? It's an open radio.
• 59:05
  Mic. Yeah, Chance.
• 59:06
  So watching John and the sort of base camp crew sit in that and
• 59:11
  hear it and hear the desperation in Rob's voice, the sadness, the
• 59:16
  feeling of exhaustion and whatever it, I thought really,
• 59:19
  really well executed. Absolutely.
• 59:22
  We're still holding on hope for Rob.
• 59:24
  You might still get your happy ending.
• 59:26
  Maybe, yeah. And then we shift to the rest of
• 59:31
  the team that that's coming down back Asuka.
• 59:35
  Other people? Yeah.
• 59:37
  Faceless. People, John made it back.
• 59:38
  He's fine. Yeah, he's back in the tents.
• 59:40
  Gotta read the story, got to write the.
• 59:42
  Book He's got snow blindness, yes, so he can't help out.
• 59:46
  Yeah. And Itola.
• 59:47
  Yeah, there, out there. You gotta help me.
• 59:50
  And I can't. But I think he's like, OK, I
• 59:54
  know you can't, I'm gonna go. He manages to bring everybody
• 59:58
  back one by one or whatever he needs to do except for.
• 1:00:04
  Back in. Yeah, basically arrives and
• 1:00:07
  finds that Yasuko is dead. Yeah, and Beck is basically
• 1:00:11
  dead. He's making calculated
• 1:00:13
  decisions, who to take and the best chances of.
• 1:00:15
  Survival. So it's so it's kind of sad that
• 1:00:18
  those, but you're like, OK, it's over.
• 1:00:19
  Yeah, I felt bad for you, Asuka. Yeah, like that.
• 1:00:23
  That's a sad one. It is.
• 1:00:24
  It really is Doug's fault again. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:00:27
  Not trying to make fun of it or anything like that, but it's
• 1:00:29
  tough. It's tough to see that.
• 1:00:31
  Yeah, and I mean it is sad and the reality makes it more
• 1:00:34
  poignant. So while we don't get the happy
• 1:00:36
  ending, the fact that these are real people as an element that
• 1:00:41
  helps ground it and gives a little gravity.
• 1:00:43
  And that hits really home in this next sequence where through
• 1:00:47
  Rob and basically trying to organize two people to go up and
• 1:00:51
  we find out that the two Sherpas that had oxygen and tea and
• 1:00:54
  everything else storms, Too bad they got to turn back.
• 1:00:57
  Yeah, kind of. I forgot what happened to them.
• 1:01:00
  There was just the bad storms. Bad.
• 1:01:02
  They just turned back. They were like, we can't make
• 1:01:03
  it. You're too far away.
• 1:01:05
  And they leave. And then they have to tell Rob
• 1:01:09
  that no help is coming. You gotta make it until morning.
• 1:01:11
  Yeah, He says that one more night, and he kind of knows.
• 1:01:14
  We all kind of know. I suspect at this point he's not
• 1:01:16
  going to make it. But Jan, Jan's gonna get on the
• 1:01:19
  phone one last time. Yeah.
• 1:01:21
  This scene is fucking sad. Heartbreaking.
• 1:01:24
  Yeah, I skipped it. It's a good time.
• 1:01:27
  I'm not watching it. Yeah, it's really sad.
• 1:01:31
  Those are good buys. Those are goodbyes, caller
• 1:01:33
  Sarah. She agrees.
• 1:01:34
  Then he says It's really sad. I'm not going to meet her.
• 1:01:37
  And it threw like a hushed, desperate gasping.
• 1:01:40
  Barely here. Yeah, like it's just fucking.
• 1:01:42
  Yeah, just the sound of his voice was enough.
• 1:01:44
  I don't even care what you're saying.
• 1:01:45
  It's like. You're clearly out.
• 1:01:47
  Yeah. And it's.
• 1:01:48
  Yeah. Pretty poignant, pretty sad
• 1:01:50
  stuff. Hmm.
• 1:01:51
  And yeah, that's the end of it. So you're thinking, OK, well,
• 1:01:56
  what's left, right? Everybody's fucking dead.
• 1:01:58
  It's really sad. It's not the end for everybody.
• 1:02:00
  That's right. And this I was like, you got me
• 1:02:03
  again. How does this happen every time?
• 1:02:07
  The third time? You idiot, I saw it coming a
• 1:02:10
  mile away. I.
• 1:02:11
  Just would have assumed that this guy who had already kind of
• 1:02:14
  died and they make a joke later. My dad, my husband was already
• 1:02:16
  died once this time. Or something yeah Or something.
• 1:02:18
  Yeah. Yeah, but the idea that Beck
• 1:02:19
  just rises from the dead effectively and walks down to
• 1:02:23
  base camp, I thought. Bullshit, I thought.
• 1:02:26
  Bullshit too. I'm like, maybe it just wasn't
• 1:02:28
  how it happened, but it happened.
• 1:02:30
  It's exactly how it happened. Apparently he just woke up and
• 1:02:34
  every book. And he saw visions of his wife
• 1:02:36
  and. Kids.
• 1:02:37
  Well, I mean that, but that's common.
• 1:02:39
  Sure, people have that experience.
• 1:02:40
  So religion. Yeah, Exactly.
• 1:02:43
  Texan. Hardcore Catholic, You.
• 1:02:45
  Know, but apparently yeah just woke up and his long as I can
• 1:02:50
  walk, I will walk. And that just shows you and
• 1:02:53
  everybody's at a different level inside of what they can pull as
• 1:02:57
  their last. No, this is not gonna take me.
• 1:03:00
  It's different for everyone and he.
• 1:03:02
  Yeah, that is he's got it you. Know Sammy Davis had.
• 1:03:07
  They lost basically both his hand and his arm on one side
• 1:03:11
  and. Part of his.
• 1:03:12
  Nose. Most.
• 1:03:13
  Yeah, most of his nose. Not a pretty guy, but.
• 1:03:15
  Made it anymore but just shocking.
• 1:03:18
  Divorced again. Yeah, no, still married.
• 1:03:21
  He's still OHS. This kid I know, I saw the
• 1:03:24
  ending. Great makeup effects too, and
• 1:03:27
  and really believing the pain and the anguish in that.
• 1:03:30
  They did a great job there. And the next wave of that, I
• 1:03:32
  have to tell you, like the movie.
• 1:03:34
  That's the peak. I've gone through the emotional
• 1:03:38
  bit with Rob and and all. Obviously everybody else.
• 1:03:41
  You've dealt with it. Yeah.
• 1:03:42
  And Beck is the heartwarming. Set up the chopper, get the
• 1:03:46
  chopper at the chopper. But I'm a little bit faded.
• 1:03:50
  I'm losing more. I thought the rescue mission to
• 1:03:53
  save helicopter took too long. They need their buddy.
• 1:03:57
  Yeah, I kind of moved on. I was like, I'm out with this
• 1:04:00
  movie. One thing I liked about it,
• 1:04:03
  well, I shouldn't say liked about it, I was just an odd
• 1:04:05
  thing is when Beck says what's dug up, Yeah, it's not.
• 1:04:10
  How is he doing? Yeah.
• 1:04:11
  What's he up to? Casual nature?
• 1:04:14
  That's him, right? And so he's got his fingers in
• 1:04:17
  the hot water and like, I don't know if that's a good.
• 1:04:19
  Idea. Does he feel any better?
• 1:04:20
  It's like I have no idea. Yeah, too early to tell.
• 1:04:23
  Yeah, But the main issue I had for that scene, I didn't mind
• 1:04:27
  the helicopter coming in, lightening the load.
• 1:04:29
  Sure. Give them their time to shine,
• 1:04:31
  buddy. Because if you think about it,
• 1:04:33
  whose life is worth more like that helicopter goes down
• 1:04:36
  Because it's not. Supposed to be up there.
• 1:04:38
  Yeah, it can crash and that pilot is dead.
• 1:04:40
  Yeah, I thought the same about the Rob and Doug stuff.
• 1:04:42
  I was just like, yeah, is this worth it?
• 1:04:44
  Peach has money. Yep, that's the impression that
• 1:04:47
  I get. Makes a few phone calls.
• 1:04:48
  He's yeah, he's feeling OK for himself.
• 1:04:50
  Money doesn't bring happiness necessarily.
• 1:04:52
  Though just brings life it seems.
• 1:04:55
  Their second chance here and there.
• 1:04:56
  But what bothered me about the ending is how it was edited.
• 1:04:59
  He got home way too early. Oh OK to Peach.
• 1:05:02
  Sure, just save that moment. I don't mind the scene, but save
• 1:05:05
  it. Let it.
• 1:05:06
  Let this whole thing play out. Play out, breathe for a bit.
• 1:05:10
  He's not immediately home after that.
• 1:05:12
  Like he's in the hospital for a while and I'm sure he was, but I
• 1:05:15
  need to feel that. I just thought it was completely
• 1:05:18
  unnecessary to inject that scene at that time.
• 1:05:22
  It's fine 4 scenes later it doesn't change the movie.
• 1:05:25
  Yeah, last 10 minutes of the movie, though.
• 1:05:26
  Is that your last image? Is that what you're saying?
• 1:05:28
  Like you want to be the. Last, it would be like the
• 1:05:30
  second last thing before we have the pictures come up and OK and
• 1:05:34
  the the real people and yeah, just not the last scene.
• 1:05:37
  I don't want to end it on that one, but I don't want it yet.
• 1:05:40
  That's fair. I didn't bump on that
• 1:05:42
  personally, and that's fine. OK.
• 1:05:44
  But I like the sadness of everybody returning back to the
• 1:05:46
  airport and seeing Jan and Helen and the weeping and guy there,
• 1:05:51
  right? Like the sadness of the
• 1:05:53
  ramifications of what happened. Yeah, that should be.
• 1:05:55
  Happening before, yeah, so I'm saying.
• 1:05:57
  And then the last shot, sort of Rob cuddled up on the mountain
• 1:06:00
  top, is that evocative side image?
• 1:06:02
  It is. And then we get the montage, if
• 1:06:05
  you will, of the faces, right? They talk about how 13 or so
• 1:06:08
  people and like, yeah, the real deals, the real faces.
• 1:06:11
  Yeah. And.
• 1:06:11
  I think they did a really good job of breaking.
• 1:06:14
  Yeah, really sad. We don't give enough credit, the
• 1:06:16
  casting director, ever. They finally get an Oscar this
• 1:06:18
  year. Yeah.
• 1:06:19
  Yeah. Casting Oscar the first time,
• 1:06:21
  2026. Really.
• 1:06:22
  Yeah, OK. In a month or so coming out.
• 1:06:25
  Alright, Yeah, there we go. That's as they, as they.
• 1:06:28
  Should Yeah, it's it's a big thing.
• 1:06:30
  It's a very hard job, yeah, to find the.
• 1:06:32
  Right, people. And they absolutely nailed it.
• 1:06:34
  So they should go back and. We're retroactively given.
• 1:06:37
  Yeah, yeah, it's pretty powerful.
• 1:06:39
  I was so impressed by the movie and impressed by my experience.
• 1:06:46
  And as I mentioned at the beginning, the ability to hook
• 1:06:49
  me into what I want to know more of is the best thing about not
• 1:06:53
  just, I mean, movies do that anyway, but particularly a true
• 1:06:56
  story. It's sort of like, I don't care
• 1:06:57
  if it's true or not. The movie works.
• 1:06:58
  And because the movie works, I want to know the true story and
• 1:07:01
  what's real and what's not and whatever else.
• 1:07:03
  It doesn't matter. It doesn't change my opinion of
• 1:07:05
  the movie or yeah, yeah. My appreciation of even if it
• 1:07:08
  was complete fabrication, it got me interested in Everest, in
• 1:07:12
  climbing. And I've watched, like I said,
• 1:07:14
  different documentaries. I went.
• 1:07:16
  Deep, let's get out. There.
• 1:07:18
  So I loved it. I thought the movie was so much
• 1:07:20
  better than I really thought it was going to be.
• 1:07:21
  It's not a great movie. It's obviously not hitting those
• 1:07:23
  kind of levels. Solid 7.
• 1:07:25
  I would say easy. Solid 7.1.
• 1:07:28
  There it is. It is right Sometimes, yeah.
• 1:07:31
  I mean, not for everybody. It's subjective, but yeah, it's
• 1:07:33
  about where I would put it. I would say it's but much better
• 1:07:35
  than I thought it was going to be.
• 1:07:36
  It was really impressed by it, and I kept thinking about it and
• 1:07:39
  talking about it. If not that movie, but the
• 1:07:42
  Everest and the climbing and the storylines around it, those are
• 1:07:45
  things that sat with me for a number of days after watching
• 1:07:48
  it. It made an imprint.
• 1:07:49
  I may put this on the shelf just as an option.
• 1:07:52
  When is the last time you've ever considered putting one of
• 1:07:55
  my movies on? Your show I don't know.
• 1:07:56
  If ever tell you, that's got to be.
• 1:07:57
  Something. But I did own the IMAX DVD.
• 1:08:00
  Everest IMAX DVD. It was on sale at the video
• 1:08:03
  store but I never watched. It I would be curious to watch
• 1:08:05
  this in 3D. Oht interesting.
• 1:08:07
  Yeah, yeah, I think it was released.
• 1:08:08
  In 3D was yeah, yeah, I would watch it again for that reason.
• 1:08:12
  I don't think it would go on to my shelf.
• 1:08:14
  It's interesting because my intentions for watching this
• 1:08:17
  movie clearly changed in the 1st 10 minutes.
• 1:08:21
  It wasn't anything what I was expecting.
• 1:08:23
  You're like, I just wanna cold movie.
• 1:08:24
  I mean, I did get cold. So I mean, that worked.
• 1:08:29
  So once I settled into it, watched the second time again, I
• 1:08:32
  felt anxious a lot of the time. It could be other things going
• 1:08:35
  on in my life at the time. I had other stuff I did deal
• 1:08:37
  with today. So it was like probably not the
• 1:08:39
  best day to watch this movie because I was already feeling
• 1:08:41
  anxious. So this is not the right movie
• 1:08:44
  for that. But I like the vision of the
• 1:08:47
  director on what he wanted to bring to the screen.
• 1:08:50
  Nothing's over the top. Every tense moment is tense
• 1:08:55
  because it feels tense, not because they're forcing this
• 1:08:58
  tense moment. It's happening naturally.
• 1:09:00
  Sure, it all feels grounded in reality.
• 1:09:02
  And I appreciate that in a movie.
• 1:09:04
  Ironically, I was sort of in the mood for that happy ending hero
• 1:09:10
  at the end. And oh, Jake, he's going to,
• 1:09:12
  he's going to reel it in like, and I'm halfway through.
• 1:09:14
  I don't think she's going to make it.
• 1:09:15
  Doesn't look well, but for what the movie was trying to do and
• 1:09:20
  for what it did, I have to appreciate it.
• 1:09:22
  I think it's solid in all aspects.
• 1:09:24
  Performances, cinematography, the script, I think it all comes
• 1:09:29
  together. It's a solid watch.
• 1:09:31
  It doesn't give me the feeling of something I would want to
• 1:09:33
  watch very often because of the sadness.
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  It's a bit of a negative emotion that there's room for that to
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  feel, but not you don't live with it.
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  Yeah, I want to bring it off the shelf too often and I think I
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  have enough of sad on my show. If I have Arlington Rd., I don't
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  know. Well, you definitely have a sad
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  state of movies on the on your shelf.
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  That's that first true. Touché.
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  Put this on the shelf, but I think part of it is that I want
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  the three or four other documentaries that I got are
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  probably better suited for what is on my shelf.
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  But I love this story and I was happy to dive into it and the
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  movie sparked that. So I think that's part of why I
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  have it in such affinity and your collector.
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  So special features exactly. I'd be curious about.
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  I get it. How did you film it?
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  Like give me an hour making of doc on this like I'd be.
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  Happy to invite me over. I'll watch it with you.
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  I don't. Want my shelf?
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  No. No.
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  Yeah. Come on over.
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