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Normally Podcast: Katie Porter, Violence in Politics, and a Key Supreme Court Free Speech Case · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey, it's we're back on normal.
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  Speaker 2: So normal it's taking for when the news kids weird.
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  Speaker 3: I am Mary Kaffers.
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  Speaker 4: And I am Carol Markolitz. How are you doing, Mary Catherine.
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  Speaker 5: We're doing all right.
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  Speaker 2: We're having quite a week.
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  Speaker 5: Two kids with croup.
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  Speaker 1: One dog had surgery because the allegedly smartest dog on
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  Speaker 1: the planet ate a microfiber towel.
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  Speaker 2: So he lost his crown. He lost his crown.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes smart people and dogs do not so smart things.
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  Speaker 2: It's fine, We're fine, fine, we're getting through it. We're
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  Speaker 2: getting through it all right. Dog's doing well, So we
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  Speaker 2: got that going forward.
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  Speaker 4: We're rooting for the dog. Hoping the kids feel better soon.
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  Speaker 4: And hope you're doing Hope you're holding up over there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're all right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we've got sort of a California heavy episode of
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  Speaker 4: both of our first topics touch on it. Katie Porter
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  Speaker 4: is the front runner to be the Democratic nominee for
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  Speaker 4: the governor of California. She's poised to take.
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  Speaker 6: Over from Gavin and she was having what could only
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  Speaker 6: be described as a fairly softball interview at CBS when
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  Speaker 6: she completely lost her mind.
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  Speaker 4: Let's roll that clip.
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  Speaker 7: What do you say to the forty percent of California
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  Speaker 7: voters who you'll need.
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  Speaker 8: In order to win, who voted for Trump.
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  Speaker 9: How would I need them in order to win?
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  Speaker 7: Man, Well, unless you think you're going to get sixty
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  Speaker 7: percent of the vote, you think you'll get sixty percent?
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  Speaker 7: All everybody who did not vote for Trump will vote
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  Speaker 7: for you, that's what you're.
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  Speaker 9: In a general election. Yes, if it is me versus
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  Speaker 9: a Republican, I think that I will win the people
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  Speaker 9: who did not vote for Trump.
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  Speaker 8: And if it's you versus another Democrat.
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  Speaker 9: I don't intend that to be the case.
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  Speaker 8: So how do you not intend that to be the case?
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  Speaker 8: Do you? Are you going to ask them not to run?
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  Speaker 9: No? No, I'm saying I'm going to build the support. I
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  Speaker 9: have the support already in terms of name recognition, and
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  Speaker 9: so I'm going to do the very best I can
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  Speaker 9: to make sure that we get through this primary in
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  Speaker 9: a really strong position. But let me be clear with you.
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  Speaker 9: I represented Orange County. I represented a purple area. I
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  Speaker 9: have stood on my own two feet and one Republican
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  Speaker 9: votes before. That's not something every candidate in this race
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  Speaker 9: can say. If you're from a deep blue area, if
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  Speaker 9: you're from LA or you're from Oakland, you don't have
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  Speaker 9: an experience.
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  Speaker 8: You just said you don't need those Trump voters.
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  Speaker 9: Well, you asked me if I need them to win?
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  Speaker 8: You don't.
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  Speaker 9: I think like this is unnecessarily argumentative. What is your question?
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  Speaker 7: The question is the same thing I asked everybody that
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  Speaker 7: this is being called the empowering voters to stop Trump's
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  Speaker 7: power grab. Every other candidate has answered this question.
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  Speaker 9: This is not and I said I support it.
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  Speaker 7: So and the question is what do you say to
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  Speaker 7: the forty percent of voters who voted for Trump?
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  Speaker 9: Oh, I'm happy to say that. It's the do you
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  Speaker 9: need them to win? Part that I don't understand. I'm
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  Speaker 9: happy to answer the question aswer. The question is you
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  Speaker 9: haven't written and all answer.
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  Speaker 7: And we've also asked the other candidates do you think
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  Speaker 7: you need any of those forty percent of California voters
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  Speaker 7: to win?
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  Speaker 8: And you're saying no, you don't.
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  Speaker 9: No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win every
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  Speaker 9: vote I can. And what I'm saying to you.
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  Speaker 8: Is that, well, to those voters, Okay, so you I.
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  Speaker 9: Don't want to keep doing this. I'm going to call it.
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  Speaker 9: Thank you.
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  Speaker 8: You're not going to do the interview with them.
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  Speaker 9: No, not like this. I'm not not with seven follow
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  Speaker 9: ups to every single question you ask.
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  Speaker 8: Every other candidate has.
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  Speaker 9: I don't care. I don't care. I want to have
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  Speaker 9: a pleasant, positive conversation which you asked me about every
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  Speaker 9: issue on this list. And if every question you're going
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  Speaker 9: to make up a follow up question, then we're never
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  Speaker 9: going to get there and we're just going to circle away.
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  Speaker 9: I've had to do this before ever.
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  Speaker 7: You've never had to have an anmation. Okay, but every
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  Speaker 7: other candidate has done this.
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  Speaker 9: What part of I'm me? I'm reading for governor because
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  Speaker 9: I'm a leader, So I am going to make so.
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  Speaker 8: You're not going to answer questions from reporters. Okay, why
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  Speaker 8: don't we go through.
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  Speaker 7: I will continue to ask follow up questions because that's
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  Speaker 7: my job as a journalist, but I will go through
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  Speaker 7: and ask these and if you don't want to answer,
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  Speaker 7: you don't want to answer, so nearly every legislative.
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  Speaker 9: I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you,
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  Speaker 9: and I don't want this all on camera.
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  Speaker 7: I don't want to have an unhappy ax you either.
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  Speaker 7: I would love to continue to ask these questions so
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  Speaker 7: that we can show our viewers what every candidate feels
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  Speaker 7: about every one of these issues that they care about,
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  Speaker 7: and redistricting it's a massive issue. We're going to do
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  Speaker 7: an entire story just on the responses to that question
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  Speaker 7: and have asked everybody the same follow up question.
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  Speaker 4: Hidden in that insanity was a normal answer that she
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  Speaker 4: couldn't limit herself to.
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  Speaker 10: It's crazy, it's so embarrassing this this person is so
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  Speaker 10: insufferable and so soft. The action is the question is simply,
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  Speaker 10: forty percent of Californians voted for Trump.
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  Speaker 2: You're running to be governor.
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  Speaker 1: You might end up in a head to head with
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  Speaker 1: a Republican, but regardless, what what do you think about
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  Speaker 1: reaching out to those people? It's just analytics their own race,
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  Speaker 1: and she can't do it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's like, don't need them, don't need them. And
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  Speaker 4: you know what, I sort of get what she's saying.
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  Speaker 4: She's like, why would I need forty percent when I
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  Speaker 4: can get the sixty percent? Because ma'am, you might not
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  Speaker 4: win that whole sixty Like hello, and that's what this
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  Speaker 4: very nice reporter was trying to explain to her, Like,
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  Speaker 4: then you're going to need the entire sixty in order
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  Speaker 4: to win, and she's like, I'm going to get the
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  Speaker 4: entire sixty you know. I was telling this story to
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  Speaker 4: somebody today and they were like, Oh, is that the
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  Speaker 4: new CBS?
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  Speaker 5: Like, no, it's the old CBS. It's that very wise CBS.
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  Speaker 1: This is like, also, come on, I think this is
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  Speaker 1: so revealing of the world in which California Democrats Democrats barely,
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  Speaker 1: but California Democrats one state, one party rule in a state,
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  Speaker 1: type of people in which they live, which is she
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  Speaker 1: sees this reporter as her pr person.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: She's like, why are you messing up my moment?
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  Speaker 2: She says, and she says, I've never had to do
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  Speaker 2: this ever.
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  Speaker 1: You've never had to answer follow up question, a clarified
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  Speaker 1: follow up question, yeah, to a very easy question to
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  Speaker 1: start with, so that that's betraying something. She then says
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  Speaker 1: she wants to have a positive interaction with this person.
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  Speaker 1: That's not the reporter's job. She's being perfectly pleasant, but
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  Speaker 1: that is not her job. And then she says, I'm
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  Speaker 1: calling it, ma'am. Do you know how a camera works.
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  Speaker 5: I can't call it. What are you talking about? She like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to do this on camera. You already
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  Speaker 5: did you did it on camera. It's too late, too late.
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  Speaker 2: This is just a I said this on Fox this morning.
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  Speaker 2: This is the bare minimum for doing politics.
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  Speaker 1: It's just you have to think about all the voters
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  Speaker 1: and you have to just at least entertain how you
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  Speaker 1: might talk to all of them.
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  Speaker 5: They just don't know at all.
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  Speaker 4: And it's so bad for them. I know, we talked
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  Speaker 4: about this all the time. It is so bad for
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  Speaker 4: the Democrats that they are never challenged because when they
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  Speaker 4: are challenge and the most peaceful.
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  Speaker 5: Calm way, they lose the plot.
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  Speaker 4: I will say, though she is not known for being
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  Speaker 4: peaceful or calm.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 4: Katie Porter's ex husband, who by the way, filed a
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  Speaker 4: restraining order against her, says that she poured scalding mashed
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  Speaker 4: potatoes on his head. Now, I know people say all
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  Speaker 4: kinds of things when they're getting divorced, but that's pretty
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  Speaker 4: darn specific.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She also famously berated at least one staffer for having
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  Speaker 1: quote unquote given her COVID, and she goes real hard
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  Speaker 1: in the texts on this poor woman, who I think
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  Speaker 1: was breathed at.
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  Speaker 2: The time or something.
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  Speaker 1: There was something going on in that staffer's life, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just brutal. And then I think we noted that
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  Speaker 1: our friend Joshar got to I think two responses from
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  Speaker 1: former Katie Porter staffers who were like, hey, imagine what
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  Speaker 1: she's like with the cameras off.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that lady. I mean, good luck California because she
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  Speaker 4: is the front runner.
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  Speaker 5: I do.
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  Speaker 1: I think, like I always tell my kids that a
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  Speaker 1: good attitude is like a huge part of succeeding in life.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, you got to put a smile on
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  Speaker 1: your face, you know, maybe and then they're going to
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  Speaker 1: pull this video on me someday and be like, mom,
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  Speaker 1: this woman became governor for.
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  Speaker 4: You who knows when they were being the president of
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  Speaker 4: the United States, you know, who knows how far she will?
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  Speaker 5: Soar she was in the house.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, She'm on that Purple County for not
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  Speaker 1: sniffing her out.
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  Speaker 4: Like come on, where was that?
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  Speaker 1: And like, by the way, this is a real Iraq
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  Speaker 1: Iran situation. But I enjoy that Adam Schiff snaked her
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  Speaker 1: out of the senator position, which is the last thing
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  Speaker 1: she ran for.
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  Speaker 2: So she has lost before well she how it goes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, I've always had a warm spot
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  Speaker 4: for California. I you know, like I always like to
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  Speaker 4: tell people, it used to be my plan B like
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  Speaker 4: when New York. If New York would to go to shit,
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  Speaker 4: I'd go to California.
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  Speaker 2: Like what, that's a sweet thought, you summer child.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I love California.
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  Speaker 4: I would love to see it be a normal place
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  Speaker 4: with normal people, Yeah, living normally.
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  Speaker 1: And it has so many normal people. And Steve Hilton
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  Speaker 1: is the geoe. If there's other people in that primary
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  Speaker 1: as well, it's a jungle primary, which means everything vote
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  Speaker 1: for anyone in the primary, Democrat or Republican. Steve Hilton
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  Speaker 1: is in their former Fox uh Fox. He's great, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: host and he's great. So that was the point that
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  Speaker 1: this reporter was trying to make. It's like you might
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily be up against it, right, right, and then
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  Speaker 1: you have to do more work, right, And she was like,
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  Speaker 1: you might be up to get a Democrat. And she's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure that doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 5: Like how you can add.
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  Speaker 1: By probably by being super mean to everyone and putting
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  Speaker 1: mass potatoes.
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  Speaker 4: Directing them with like cott mashed potatoes.
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  Speaker 2: I just I I know this is.
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  Speaker 4: Where we are, but what do better at California.
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  Speaker 2: Peach what to peach that lady is.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we're going to take a short break and
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  Speaker 4: be right back with.
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  Speaker 5: More on Normally.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome back to Normally, where our second topic is political violence.
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  Speaker 4: There seems to be a lot of.
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  Speaker 5: It lately, and you know, people are kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Losing the plot a little bit. And I know if
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  Speaker 4: this is the second time I've used that phrase in
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  Speaker 4: the last two segments, but it really feels like people
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  Speaker 4: are losing it. A few days ago, a judge's home
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  Speaker 4: exploded on a South Carolina island. She's a liberal South
• 10:18
  Speaker 4: Carolina judge, Diane Goodstein. Her home burnt to the ground,
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  Speaker 4: her family barely escaped. Apparently she had gotten threats, although
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  Speaker 4: we don't really know if that's true. A friend of mine,
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  Speaker 4: who I like him a lot, and I'm not going
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  Speaker 4: to call him out by name, but wrote to me
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  Speaker 4: and said, a Jewish judge's home is burning in an
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  Speaker 4: explosion that's been labeled Arsin less than a day after
• 10:39
  Speaker 4: Steven Miller tweeted that liberal judges are shielding an indirection
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  Speaker 4: by left wing terrorists. Now you use your considerable platform
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  Speaker 4: to condemn this, I was like, we don't even know
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  Speaker 4: what happened, yet I like it could be a pre
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  Speaker 4: Palestine lefty. We have no idea, Like, literally no idea
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  Speaker 4: what happened here. I'm going to hold off and wait.
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  Speaker 4: To my friend's credit, it turns out that it's not
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  Speaker 4: oursin looks like it's not Arson, and he apologized, which
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: is the correct thing to do in that situation. But
• 11:06
  Speaker 4: this rush to judgment. Not everything that happens to political
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  Speaker 4: figures is going to have a political motive. And I
• 11:14
  Speaker 4: think we're in a moment right now where the left
• 11:17
  Speaker 4: is really hoping that some right wingers do some crazy
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  Speaker 4: things so that they can point to it and be like, see,
• 11:22
  Speaker 4: you guys have a problem too, But it is all
• 11:26
  Speaker 4: mostly coming from one side. And while you guys wait
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  Speaker 4: to find that, here's a story from Mary Catherine about
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  Speaker 4: yet another left is it?
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  Speaker 1: It does seem at the moment this month, the demand
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  Speaker 1: for right wing VI is outstripped, is really outstripping the supply,
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: And like, look, like you said, we could we could
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  Speaker 1: see something different in the future, but this one, this
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  Speaker 1: is from DC and I heard about this story, and
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  Speaker 1: much like you, in the early going, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to comment on that because it looks suspicious. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know happened.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what happened.
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  Speaker 1: A man arrested outside the annual Red Mass ceremony held
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  Speaker 1: at Saint Matthew's Cathedral in DC had over two hundred
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  Speaker 1: explosive devices in a tent on the church's stairs. According
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  Speaker 1: to police Lewis Gary forty one, touted homemade explosives when
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  Speaker 1: officers approached him on the step ahead of the service,
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  Speaker 1: typically attended by Supreme Court justices to ring in a
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  Speaker 1: new term. Devices were find found inside his front pocket
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  Speaker 1: and a backpack he was carrying on the scene, in
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: addition to a tent encampment set up in close proximity
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  Speaker 1: to the cathedral, which side of the aisle likes tent encampments.
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  Speaker 1: It turns out he's anti Scotus, anti Jew, anti Catholic.
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  Speaker 2: It just like when we don't know a right winger,
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  Speaker 2: when we don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Pause, Yeah, when we do know, let's deal with it.
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  Speaker 1: And this one seems particularly scary, as I believe last
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  Speaker 1: year at the Red Mass, at least three Conservative justices
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  Speaker 1: attended that mass. So if you're looking to do damage,
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: as we know that at least one other would be
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: assassin has been looking to do and has now been
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: sentenced to only eight years in prison. Yep, by the way,
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: just a little idea, maybe you're incentivizing more of this
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  Speaker 1: by not punishing it very dramatically exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what's going on there, and I want to
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  Speaker 2: add this to it.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi was on Dana Bash's show this week, asked
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: about j Jones's texts, and let's just hear the rousing
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: condemnations she had for that.
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  Speaker 11: Should he get out of the race, that's up to
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  Speaker 11: the people, the leaders in Virginia. They have said, he
• 13:43
  Speaker 11: has apologized. What I understand is they say that on
• 13:47
  Speaker 11: balance he's the better person to be attorney general. But
• 13:50
  Speaker 11: that's up to them. But I wish there would be
• 13:52
  Speaker 11: enough fuss of all the times that people have said
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  Speaker 11: they were going to put a bullet in my head
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  Speaker 11: right in public, in the public.
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  Speaker 8: Because of that, which that's one of the reasons I
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  Speaker 8: wanted to ask you that you are somebody who knows
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  Speaker 8: all too well in in a horrific way, we.
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  Speaker 11: Have to get rid of that kind of language. I mean,
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  Speaker 11: it's just not appropriate.
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  Speaker 9: If you were Abigail Spamberger, who's the Democrat running for
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  Speaker 9: a governor, would you call on him to step beside?
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  Speaker 11: But she has to do. She's going to be governor.
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  Speaker 11: She's running very well. Everybody's very proud of her candidacy.
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  Speaker 11: And her race is her race, and her state is
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  Speaker 11: her state, and it's up to her. I really don't
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  Speaker 11: get involved in other people's races.
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  Speaker 4: That the mayor of New York that this of that.
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  Speaker 11: It's up to the people in that state. I respect
• 14:34
  Speaker 11: their judgment and wish them well.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, Nancy just says, like, on balance, I think
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  Speaker 1: he's probably better than the normy Republican AG.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I've heard, so should be fine.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's totally fine. He just wants to
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: murder the children of his political opponents because the parents
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: were nice to moderate Democrats. I mean, it's just bananas.
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: As we're recording this, a man has been arrested for
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: setting the fires in California, A Florida man. Sorry, guys,
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  Speaker 4: but we don't know his politics yet, although they are
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: chomping at a bit to be like, well, it's from Florida,
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  Speaker 4: so he must be a conservative. But it really also
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: betrays the whole climate change set this fire and I
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: want to hear some people maybe apologize for that, or
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: you know, have some thoughts about not immediately jumping to
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: your issue of the moment in order to lay blame
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: for any natural disaster or horrific event. Take a pause,
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: take a beat, think it over, wait, refect. These are
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: all normal things to do when things go bad.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Take a pause. Twenty four hour rule.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty four hour rules should actually be applied to everything.
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  Speaker 4: Like when you get any kind of news, just give
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: it twenty four hours. You don't have to run with
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: us your version of events, right, Hey, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: This happens on so many immigrant stories too, which I
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: look into all of them, right, because I am concerned
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  Speaker 1: with Ice overstepping.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: I am concerned with Trump doing things you shouldn't do, and.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Invariably outside of like two of them, you come across so.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Much more pertinent pertinent information. Oh.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: By the way, two lefties were arrested for ramming ice
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: vehicles in the Chicago area and they were let out
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  Speaker 1: on veail.
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  Speaker 3: Right, And there's a story that's what they didn't step
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: in to help Ice, And that is really a misuse
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: of you know, government officials telling police to stand down
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  Speaker 3: because they're anti ice.
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  Speaker 4: Your political opinion shouldn't be involved with who the police
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: step into help. I think it's just atrocious Governor Pritzkers
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: using the police in a manner that I think people
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: are afraid that Donald Trump will use the police. And
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: you know it is so irony there as.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Well wait for your info.
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah not, that's all right. We'll be right back with
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: more on normally where a Supreme Court case this should
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: be wrapping up in the next day or two on
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: the question of conversion therapy, but who's doing the converting.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: We'll be right back. We are back on normally where
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: the Child's versus Sala's our case is winding its way
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: through the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 5: You know it's funny.
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  Speaker 4: Why is Colorado the place where court cases involving free
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: speech and religious freedom seemed to be the norm. I mean,
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: there's the master Piece Cake Shop case, where of course
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Jack Phillips was forced or you know, they wanted to
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: force him to bake the cake. There was also a
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: website designer who didn't want to make websites for same
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: sex marriages because it violated her religious freedom. Supreme Court
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: ruled in her favor on that. And now Kayleie childs
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: as a therapist in Colorado, and she's at the center
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: of this case because she's a devout Christian and people
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: seek out her services because of her faith to talk
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: to their children who are having gender dysphoria.
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  Speaker 1: It's disturbing that the people of Colorado, people of faith
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  Speaker 1: in Colorado, which is like used to be a normy state,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: they have to go to the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 2: Like every time things settled.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: She's like, can I do my job? I don't know,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the Supreme Court and figure it out.
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  Speaker 8: No.
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  Speaker 1: I think this is like, this is one of those
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: tricky issues where a lot of places banned, say like
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: faith based conversion therapy for young gay kids, right or
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: for gay miners, right, And they would say that you
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: can't do that anymore. And it is an unpopular opinion.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: But I've always thought that was a First Amendment issue
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: because if you aren't allowed to talk about this possibility
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: versus another possibility, isn't that viewpoint discrimination And doesn't it
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: cut against people of faith in particular. So now we're
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: going to be testing it, at least in this in
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: this gender related area.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I have a column on this. I
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: think it should be out today Thursday in the New
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: York Post. But I actually say that there is not
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  Speaker 4: a lot of evidence that you can convert people out
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  Speaker 4: of being gay. So it really is a different thing,
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  Speaker 4: because there's a lot of evidence that you can convert kids,
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  Speaker 4: or not convert, but basically talk to them into accepting
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  Speaker 4: them their bodies as is. And there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: evidence that kids do outgrow that gender dysphoria. Kids don't
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: outgrow when they declare themselves gay. They generally don't outgrow that.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: So those are really two different things. The other thing
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: is I think when people hear conversion therapy, I picture
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: the electroshock therapy of the sixties and seventies, Yeah, which
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: also didn't work. So this is not that she's talking
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  Speaker 4: to kids and making them accept their bodies as is,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: which is really what we should want, right, I mean,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: So in this case, Justice Sonya Soto, my you are
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: compared it to a dietitian telling an anorexic patient to
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: engage in more restricted eating. But in my view, it's
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: the dietitian in this example is are all the therapists
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: who are telling these children that they are not in
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: the correct body and that they could take hormones, and
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: they can have surgery, and they could do all these
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: things to change their birth gender. You can't change that.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: And no matter what you do, no matter how much
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: you try, you remain the gender that you were born into.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter how you dress or how much makeup
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: you wear, any of it. You stay what you are.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: So to me, the example here is child's is the
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Dietitian From that example.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is it's disturbing to me as a mom.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: And I know you guys wrote about this and stolen Use,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: which is yours in Bethany Mandel's book the book and
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Abi Yelschurer writes it about it as well.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not bad therapy. But there is this concern,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: and I have it as a.
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  Speaker 1: Normy right leaning mom of faith, is that these professional
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: associations that license therapists or states in this case, require
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: that they go down certain therapeutic paths exactly.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when maybe my kid just needs to talk to somebody.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: But as soon as I send my kid in there,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: if your solution to their problem is that they might
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: be another gender, that's going to be a problem for me.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But if the professional association you're working with.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Or the state that you live in requires that that's
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: how you treat issues.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Then you're you're in a bind and the whole profession
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: is in trouble.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the thing.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: All these licensing organizations, they make them handle problems in
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: a certain way. And I understand a Christian family in
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Colorado would want to talk to a Christian therapist who
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: would have their same values and their same kind of
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: ideals and how she treats their child. The fact that
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: this has to get to the Supreme Court, like you said,
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: it's banana, is that Colorado just keeps pushing these people
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: into it. Masterpiece Cake Shop is in another court case
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: where this time he didn't make a cake for a
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: transgender I believe, wedding. It just goes on and on
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  Speaker 4: and on, and it's really wrong. I remember when Colorado
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: was a normal state. I worked in Colorado on the
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Bush two thousand and four campaign. It was a red state.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, No, there's so many great things in Colorado, including
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: friend of the show Kelly Maher, who does great work
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: out there. But the idea that these totally normal people
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: have to drag themselves to the Supreme Court and thank goodness.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: There are good organizations like Allions Defending Freedom that take
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: up these cases so they don't break themselves having to
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: do it. But you know, the emotional toll and the
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: financial toll, and the toll to their actual business that
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: they're trying to conduct on a day to day basis
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: is very, very high to get through these battles to
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: be like a semi public figure, which they never planned
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: on being before.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: We chose this life. They did not totally.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we chose the stupid life.
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: She's just a therapist. She just wants to help kids.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: She just wants to talk to people and help them
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: with their problems. And there has to be more than
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: one way to do that. And it is a free
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: speech issue. Talk therapy should be the way that it
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: gets solved in these therapists office. It can't be one
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: way or no other way.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Well, it feels like an extension of sort of the
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: lefty college take on speech in general, which is like,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the truth is already decided. Yeah, the solution is already decided.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: And the discussion somebody must say, we can't talk about
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: it further.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: And the truth is both in a doctor's office, whether
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: it's COVID vaccines, or gender dysphoria, or in a college
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: setting you need to talk about it.
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