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Recognizing Fake Christianity with Jed Coppenger; Unpacking Absolute Truth with Dr. Andy Bannister, and Updates on Iran with Dr. Hormoz Shariat · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide. Overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined. Start
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  S1: your morning with a laugh.
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  S2: Practical from the Bible. Tips and tricks to kill. Not
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  S2: tricks but tips and tricks.
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  S3: Tips and tricks to kill. Tips and tricks.
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  S1: Delivering the truth daily.
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  S4: All of my attempts to, you know, prop myself up
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  S4: with achievement in good works. But God wasn't impressed by that,
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  S4: even if other people were.
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  S2: The gospel changes everything.
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  S5: Freedom in Christ. Man, it's like that backpack of cement
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  S5: just falling to the ground.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and Crew.
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  S6: It's a big day in a lot of ways. It's
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  S6: a big day. It's a Monday. Yes, the day before
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  S6: the momentous share kickoff. And oh my goodness, please be
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  S6: here tomorrow. Please be here. You're going to. It's one
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  S6: of the most joy filled things to be part of
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  S6: a team that is so vast. When you. You thought
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  S6: it was just you and me sitting there in the
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  S6: car every day, and then you realize, Holy cat hair,
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  S6: there's more people out there.
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  S3: There are.
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  S7: Oh, okay.
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  S6: But first, on this day, happy birthday to you. Happy
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  S6: birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Ali Meister. Happy birthday
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  S6: to you.
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  S3: Happy birthday.
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  S7: Oh, thank.
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  S4: You very much, I appreciate it.
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  S7: There we go.
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  S8: Your birthday.
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  S7: Oh.
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  S4: Wow.
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  S6: That's what she wanted this morning, headbanger.
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  S4: Music that'll wake you up. Come on.
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  S8: We're gonna have a good time.
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  S6: Probably some other big hair bands that thought, why didn't
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  S6: we think of that? That gets played all the time.
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  S3: Just because I know it's crazy.
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  S2: And in terms of big hair bands, they're all jealous
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  S2: of the Beatles right now, which is funny and interesting.
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  S4: Yeah.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S6: For sure. Why didn't the big hair bands think.
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  S3: Of that one?
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  S4: Oh well thank you guys, I appreciate it.
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  S3: Happy birthday.
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  S6: Happy birthday.
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  S4: Very grateful for another year of life.
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  S6: Speaking of another year of life, how long have we
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  S6: been working together?
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  S4: Oh boy. Um.
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  S3: Oh, boy is.
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  S6: Her first.
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  S4: Term.
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  S2: Nine years in October for you guys.
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  S4: It'll be nine in October. Yeah, I started in 2017.
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  S6: It's almost hard to believe.
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  S4: Yeah it is. I mean, just.
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  S6: That's over a third of your life. Throw throwing you
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  S6: on there, sister.
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  S4: Yeah it is, I appreciate that.
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  S9: So sweet.
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  S6: That's pretty kind.
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  S3: Come on.
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  S6: Give dad a little credit here. That's a chunk of
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  S6: our lives.
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  S4: It's wild to look back at some of the pictures where, like,
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  S4: we've now been working together for long enough that we
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  S4: look back at pictures and go, wow, look how young
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  S4: we look.
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  S6: It's so weird.
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  S4: It's very weird. As an adult when you see pictures
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  S4: and you go again.
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  S6: And it's not that long ago, not.
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  S4: That long ago.
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  S6: It's so wild. Who's the dude that's in his 90s?
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  S6: And he looks like he's still on Starship Enterprise. What's
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  S6: his name?
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  S2: William Shatner. Yeah, yeah. And he's in his 90s.
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  S6: That's the freakiest thing on the planet.
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  S3: William Shatner.
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  S2: It's the it's the the hair, the hair plugs.
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  S6: No, it's not just hair plugs, dude. Have you seen
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  S6: the guy's face? There's got to be some experimental thing
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  S6: they got him on.
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  S2: Probably.
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  S6: I mean, it's crazy.
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  S4: Maybe a little nip and tuck.
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  S3: Probably.
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  S9: Possibly. Oh.
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  S6: So does he have hair plugs?
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  S2: Okay, so maybe that's maybe a dangerous accusation. I've looked
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  S2: at him and I thought they were hair plugs.
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  S3: Oh, wow.
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  S4: This is getting dicey.
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  S3: And I said, yeah, please.
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  S4: Never use my birthday in this way.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S6: Yeah, people could do a clip on this audio and
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  S6: put it together and go, what?
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  S3: I don't know.
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  S4: Let's move.
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  S6: Along. Happy birthday to Ali.
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  S4: Thank you, thank you.
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  S3: That's great.
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  S6: Yeah. Tomorrow's a momentous day. And and we're going to
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  S6: be thrilled to have you with us here, guys. Um,
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  S6: by the way, did we get something up on social
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  S6: media yet that Savannah put together?
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  S4: Ah, yes. The first the first little clip dropped yesterday.
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  S6: Oh, talk about that for a second.
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  S4: Yeah. We asked you, our listeners to. Hey, would you
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  S4: record a quick video for us? Just letting us know.
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  S4: Answering a couple questions about Moody Radio, and we were
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  S4: thrilled to see your response. And the first of those videos, Uh,
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  S4: it dropped yesterday on our Instagram and our Facebook page.
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  S4: So check that out if you joined us for that effort.
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  S4: Thank you. If you did not take a look at
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  S4: your fellow listeners and what they had to say about
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  S4: Moody Radio, just follow us on Facebook and Instagram. Carl
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  S4: and crew. Carl with a K.
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  S6: Got a question for you and I'm going to set
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  S6: it up this way. I've never shared this about the, um,
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  S6: Iditarod Trail Sled Dog race, which started in earnest yesterday afternoon.
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  S6: And as we speak, I believe Jesse Holmes, uh, he
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  S6: won it last year, is out in front. It doesn't
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  S6: mean anything at this time in the race, except that
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  S6: already the really competitive teams are separating themselves out. And
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  S6: by the way, some big news. Blaze's dad and mom
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  S6: are in the race this year.
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  S9: That's for sure. Husky.
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  S6: Which, by the.
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  S3: Way.
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  S4: It's so funny.
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  S6: It blew my mind because Fendi. I mean he's blaze.
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  S6: My puppy is not yet six months old and Fendi
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  S6: is in the Iditarod. And she's the mama.
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  S3: That had.
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  S6: That litter.
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  S9: Go girl.
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  S6: Within four weeks of having this litter. Kind of. She
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  S6: shook him off. Shake it off, shake it off. Get
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  S6: him out of here. Um, she was running 50 mile
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  S6: training runs. I talked to Mitch Seavey, three time champion
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  S6: in the Iditarod yesterday. He's not competing in it this year. Uh,
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  S6: but one or both of the dogs are in, uh,
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  S6: Matt Hall's team. So if you're tracking the Iditarod, you'll
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  S6: see Aero, which is, um, Blaze's dad. He's an amazing
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  S6: lead dog. Fendi is as well, but they're going to
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  S6: be up in the front of Matt Hall's team. Isn't
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  S6: that weird to think.
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  S3: That is weird.
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  S4: What's the what would be considered like the prime age
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  S4: for dogs to be at their peak to run?
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  S3: Good.
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  S4: I mean, is it like the like, you know, Blaze's
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  S4: age or is it quite a bit older?
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  S6: Oh, no. Yeah. Nobody runs one year olds much anymore
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  S6: because it's just too young. They're finding they're still developmental
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  S6: things mentally and physically. So when you get a dog
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  S6: at two, they're really if they're super athletes, they're contributing
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  S6: big time. But I'd say the sweet spot is probably
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  S6: between 3 and 7.
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  S3: Right.
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  S6: In there. But there's a dog this year running. I
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  S6: believe it's 12 in lead. No, I forget the name
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  S6: of the team, but he's I guess a super dog
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  S6: and he just doesn't age well. So it's kind of
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  S6: it's kind of cool. Yeah. Um, so here's, here's the
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  S6: mixed bag on this one. And for me, it's, it's
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  S6: really weird. I've never shared this, but looking at the
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  S6: start of the Iditarod and I watched a little bit
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  S6: of this live via my app and, uh, it was
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  S6: it was fun to see it, but it's wild because
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  S6: it takes me back. It takes me back to what
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  S6: I've been saved from. And that's both tremendous because I
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  S6: see what I've been saved from, but it also brings
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  S6: up a whole lot of memories that I need to
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  S6: invite Jesus back into again to say thank you. And
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  S6: by the way, would you protect me from getting beat
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  S6: up right now? Isn't that funny how that works?
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  S4: Yeah, and something can. Sometimes small things can trigger a
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  S4: memory of a of a life you once lived, and
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  S4: it can. Even in the victory, it can. You can
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  S4: feel a little bit of like, oh boy.
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  S6: It's really a wild thing, isn't it? It's a mixed.
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  S2: Bag and it doesn't matter the years of separation from
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  S2: it either. Sometimes things that happened a decade ago can
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  S2: feel like yesterday.
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  S6: But I think it's good In Romans five eight is
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  S6: a classic, but God demonstrates his own love to us
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  S6: in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
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  S6: So I've got a question for you. What is it
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  S6: that reminds you of what you've been saved from? And
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  S6: sometimes there's a little bit of pain there, but there's
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  S6: a whole lot of victory in there. Goodness sakes, I'm
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  S6: going to get choked up this morning. Yeah. What is
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  S6: it that reminds you of what you've been saved from?
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  S6: Is it going home? Is it a song that plays?
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  S6: Is it all the above?
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S6: Is it seeing someone pop up on social media and
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  S6: you're like, oh, boy. What reminds you of what you've
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  S6: been saved from? You know. Life is funny, isn't it?
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  S6: Life is funny. But God's grace is flat out amazing.
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  S6: It's flat out amazing. And one of the reasons that
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  S6: we do share is this question right here. You know
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  S6: what I mean?
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  S4: Oh yeah. I mean, because when you think about we
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  S4: talked about the gospel changes everything this year, we're focusing
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  S4: on the unstoppable gospel as we celebrate 100 years of
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  S4: Moody radio. But you think about your own history, your
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  S4: personal history, you know, and it's tracked through a lot
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  S4: of different ways. You never sit down and look at
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  S4: an old photo album and you think about, oh boy,
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  S4: I remember this time in my life where I was
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  S4: doing this, or sometimes it's childhood or teenage pictures, or
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  S4: you open an old yearbook. There's lots of ways that
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  S4: we track through the years, but a lot of one
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  S4: of the key ones is just in our memory bank
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  S4: where we. Something reminds us this is who I used
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  S4: to be. And it's not always happy memories.
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  S6: Yeah. And then, and I think the the power of
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  S6: the gospel is that those maybe uncomfortable or not so
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  S6: happy memories can be immediately covered by the grace of God.
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  S6: While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. It's good.
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  S6: As hard as it is to look back and go, boy,
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  S6: God save me from that. So we're asking you this
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  S6: morning what reminds you of what you've been saved from?
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  S6: I don't know that there's any greater question that kind
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  S6: of captures what we're going to do this whole week,
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  S6: starting tomorrow morning. And share. I don't think there is
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  S6: because you look at what you've been saved from, and
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  S6: there's two storylines that come out of that. One is
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  S6: I was saved from that. And now look at what
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  S6: God has done in me in that time since. My goodness,
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  S6: he's changed me and I get to give that to
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  S6: others and be a part of that. Isn't that cool?
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S6: Isn't that just isn't that just awesome? I mean, wow.
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  S6: So give us a call, would you? What reminds you
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  S6: of what you've been saved from? And let's give God
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  S6: praise today. 800 555 7898 800 555 7898. Give us
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  S6: a call. Light it up, guys. Today's a day to
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  S6: celebrate the goodness of God.
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  S1: Helping you take the next step in your walk with Jesus.
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  S6: God longs for us today to seek him and ask
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  S6: him to move in ways that we never could.
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  S1: You're listening to Carl and Cru.
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  S6: While we were yet sinners. Christ died for us. It's
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  S6: interesting when you see things like me watching the start
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  S6: of the Iditarod, and you might might be asking yourself, well,
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  S6: what in the world from the Iditarod reminds you of
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  S6: what God has done in your life. Well, there's faces
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  S6: and there's experiences. I mean, just seeing dog teams is
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  S6: a weird thing for me. It takes me back almost
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  S6: 50 years, goodness sakes. Takes me back 47 years. Ali.
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  S4: Wow.
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  S6: Isn't that something?
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  S4: Doesn't it fly? Isn't that wild that it seems like
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  S4: both forever ago, but also yesterday?
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  S6: Yes, it's that wild and it's good to look back. Um.
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  S6: I know it's tough. Uh, the common word today is triggers.
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  S6: What's triggering you. But it's a beautiful thing to be
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  S6: able to say, look at what God has done in
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  S6: my life. And so we're asking you a simple question,
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  S6: aren't we, Ali?
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  S4: Yeah. What reminds you of what you've been saved from?
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  S4: And this could be a person place thing. Smell. What
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  S4: is it that reminds you could be a song? There's
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  S4: something that. In a moment you're taken back. Tell us. 805.
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  S4: Five five, 78, 98, 800 555 7898.
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  S6: Andy from Cleveland, Ohio. And by the way, I want
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  S6: to thank you, Andy. There's something in the water there
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  S6: in Ohio. The priest shared gifts from Ohio have been
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  S6: just killing it. But that's a whole nother point. What's
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  S6: your story, my man? What takes you back?
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  S10: Hey, guys. How you doing? Hey, something in the water? No,
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  S10: it's something in the air. Um. I listen to you
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  S10: guys all the time, and, um, the smell of marijuana
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  S10: that's in the air all the time because they legalized, uh,
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  S10: weed here in Ohio, and that was, my God, small g.
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  S10: And listening to you guys and w CRF. I called
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  S10: you guys a few times. You're probably sick and tired
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  S10: of hearing me, but.
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  S6: No, Andy, I know there are a lot of people
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  S6: that call in here. Don't ever feel bad about that.
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  S6: But yeah, so it's the smell in the air, huh? Man.
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  S10: The smell of the marijuana that's in the air. That, uh,
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  S10: that it's a trigger for me because to me, it
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  S10: smells like filet mignon. Um, I took my wife out
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  S10: to dinner this past weekend, and we took a nice
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  S10: walk along Lake Erie, um, in Lakewood Park, and, uh, and,
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  S10: and there's a bunch of teenagers, uh, having fun and
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  S10: being teenagers, but at the same time, I walked through
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  S10: a big cloud of smoke of weed and it just
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  S10: choked me and, and made me feel sick. And, and
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  S10: I just praised God for that because that was my God. And, uh,
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  S10: you know, I, um, called you guys the other week
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  S10: in regards to, uh, Amazon and me spending money on
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  S10: Amazon and buying all these colorful shirts and stuff.
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  S9: And I'm like a.
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  S10: Cat on it. These colors, you know. And I, the
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  S10: Lord taught me, you know what this money is going
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  S10: towards w CRF. Cleveland Moody Radio to support such a
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  S10: godly ministry.
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  S6: Yeah. Andy, we love you, man. And thank you so much.
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  S6: And it's it's wild because yeah, it's a song. It's
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  S6: a smell in the air. It's a person you see,
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  S6: it takes you back. But he can be a phenomenal
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  S6: reminder of the grace of God that while we were
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  S6: yet sinners, Christ died for us. Taking your stories this morning.
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  S4: We're asking you, what is it that reminds you of
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  S4: what you've been saved from? Thank you, Andy, for your call.
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  S4: What's your story? 800 555 7898 (800) 555-7898.
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  S8: Yeah. Johnny boy get out, Johnny boy, get out. Cause
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  S8: the world has left you Lying on the ground. You're
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  S8: my pride and joy. You're my pride and joy. Get out, boy,
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  S8: because we all need you now.
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  S6: Okay, that's a new one on me.
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  S2: It's a new one. It might not make much sense
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  S2: to you, but this is my song. That reminds me
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  S2: of where I came from. It's called Johnny Boy. Uh.
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  S2: And so I feel like that's fitting in and of itself,
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  S2: but it's, uh, in the song, it has a verse that, uh,
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  S2: is really, I think, picturesque of me. It said that
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  S2: no one really knows his mind and no one knows
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  S2: behind his eyes. The man deserves a medal, but he's
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  S2: never really won a prize before. My prize, they're a
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  S2: medal that I should have gotten. Was from being able
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  S2: to hide. No one knew. Everyone saw me on the
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  S2: outside and thought they. They knew everything about me. But
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  S2: I was just giving off this mask, this facade. Everything
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  S2: behind my eyes was for me.
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  S6: What a powerful thing.
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  S2: And me only. And and there's so much in that.
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  S2: You know, the the get up, Johnny boy, I've always
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  S2: kind of felt like that was God talking to me saying, hey,
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  S2: it's time to get up. It's time to get moving
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  S2: in the bridge. Uh, it says I will carry all
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  S2: your names. And I will carry all your shame. And
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  S2: that was really important to me too, because I think
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  S2: behind my eyes, as well as all the mask stuff
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  S2: that I had out in front, there was a lot
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  S2: of shame and a lot of different names. I was
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  S2: juggling to look like certain people in front of other people.
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  S2: And so that song kind of brings me back to
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  S2: what I got saved from. I got saved from all
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  S2: the different names and masks that I had on my face.
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  S6: An amazing thing.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S6: I mean, come on, man. You think about it. Tomorrow
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  S6: we start in earnest with this thing called share. Um,
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  S6: and if you don't know if you're new here, you
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  S6: need to know that young thunder came to Christ Jesus,
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  S6: found his savior in the grace of God right here
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  S6: on radio. Yeah. A number of years ago now. What
• 18:35
  S6: a great thing. Yeah. Do you get bummed when you
• 18:38
  S6: hear that last song? Satan try to hit you with something?
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  S2: Yeah, a little bit. Uh, you know, because. Because I kept,
• 18:45
  S2: I kept secret. There's a sentence in there too, that, uh,
• 18:49
  S2: the first sentence or first couple sentences says he stays
• 18:52
  S2: home from work. This time, he never really told his wife.
• 18:54
  S2: He never really told a lie. But this time he
• 18:56
  S2: decides it's all right. That I was hiding from everybody
• 18:59
  S2: in my life. I was married when I came to
• 19:01
  S2: Jesus and. And so not even my wife knew all
• 19:05
  S2: this stuff that I was dealing with and going through. And,
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  S2: and so, yes, sometimes I do hear that song and
• 19:11
  S2: Satan comes and he goes, you were even hiding from
• 19:14
  S2: the people who were closest to you. How shameful is that?
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  S2: How horrible is that? And, uh, and you know what?
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  S2: Like you said, Carl, with your stuff that Satan tries
• 19:24
  S2: to bring back, I. I surrender those memories to Christ
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  S2: because I. I have been set free from my past self.
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  S2: I don't have to live with shame anymore because God's
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  S2: doing a new thing in me.
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  S6: Yeah, that's beautiful man. Yeah, the gospel changes everything and
• 19:43
  S6: the gospel is unstoppable, man. It really is. Mack in Florida.
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  S6: Thanks for holding on. What takes you back? What reminds
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  S6: you of what you've been saved from Mack.
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  S11: Uh. Good morning. How are you today, guys?
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  S6: Good.
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  S11: Good. Well, I didn't grow up in a safe or
• 20:00
  S11: healthy environment. My childhood had a lot of toxicity, trauma.
• 20:06
  S11: And as a young, very young child. I was abused
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  S11: in every sense of the word by people who have
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  S11: should have been protecting me and, uh, for decades, you know,
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  S11: I'm under five years saved now, and I've given my
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  S11: life to Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, my strength.
• 20:24
  S11: And it's taught me, you know, the value of the
• 20:26
  S11: strength and honesty and protecting others who may have not
• 20:30
  S11: have heard that voice yet, you know? So the songs
• 20:34
  S11: from that era.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S11: You know, the music from that era. It brings me
• 20:39
  S11: back there immediately. Some of the songs that, you know,
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  S11: some of these older people would use as triggers to
• 20:46
  S11: alert me that, hey, it's time, you know, and, uh,
• 20:49
  S11: you know, just the music from that area kind of
• 20:52
  S11: triggers that childhood memory.
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  S6: Man, Mak, I love your heart, bro. That is that
• 20:57
  S6: is tough, but beautiful.
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  S4: Mak. I'm curious, is there a song now that you're
• 21:02
  S4: in Christ that's one of your favorites? A song that
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  S4: you hear now and reminds you of who you are
• 21:07
  S4: in Christ now?
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  S11: Uh, intentional by Travis Green man. It just, it speaks
• 21:14
  S11: to my soul. It just, it keeps me, uh, motivated.
• 21:18
  S11: It keeps me enthusiastic and active in Christ, you know?
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  S6: Yeah. Mak. That is beautiful. How many? Man, I'm going
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  S6: to ask. You can't ask, ladies. But I'm going to
• 21:28
  S6: ask you, bro. How old are you?
• 21:31
  S11: I'm 58, bro. I'll be 59 this year.
• 21:34
  S6: Man. God saved you in your 50s. That's a cool story, Mack.
• 21:38
  S6: I'm so pumped. You're my brother. That is so cool.
• 21:40
  S6: And we all have things that can trip the trigger
• 21:44
  S6: of what was. And that's a double edged sword, isn't it, Mack?
• 21:47
  S6: It's like, oh, boy, that was some rough days. But
• 21:50
  S6: then we go. While we were yet sinners, Christ died
• 21:54
  S6: for us. Wow. Mack. I love you, bro. Thank you
• 21:57
  S6: for being a listener here.
• 21:59
  S11: Thank you brother. I appreciate you guys. You have a
• 22:02
  S11: blessed day.
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  S6: Yeah, Mac's the real deal. Wow. What cool stories, huh? Ali?
• 22:08
  S4: Awesome. If you got a story, we'll try to squeeze
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  S4: you in. What reminds you of what you've been saved from?
• 22:14
  S4: 805 five, five, 78, 98, 805. Five five 7898.
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  S1: The gospel changes everything.
• 22:25
  S4: Where else am I going to find peace? Joy, eternal
• 22:28
  S4: life not found in anyone else.
• 22:32
  S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
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  S6: Yeah. We're going to keep this cooking here. Guys, what
• 22:37
  S6: reminds you of what you've been saved from? What an
• 22:41
  S6: amazing thing. While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
• 22:46
  S6: You know, I kicked this off by saying it's fun
• 22:48
  S6: for me to watch and track the Iditarod Trail race.
• 22:51
  S6: Cool update here, my little puppy blaze that I went
• 22:54
  S6: and got in Alaska here not too long ago from
• 22:57
  S6: champion musher Mitch Seavey. Um, it's amazing thing to know
• 23:03
  S6: that his dad and mom, arrow, arrow a e r
• 23:07
  S6: o and his mom are running right now in the Iditarod.
• 23:13
  S6: It's just a wild thing. And so I watched some
• 23:16
  S6: of the start of the Iditarod. Uh, I subscribe every year.
• 23:21
  S6: It's called an insider. You get the insider peek at everything.
• 23:25
  S6: So they simulcasted the start of the Iditarod. And it
• 23:29
  S6: was awesome for me to watch. But what's weird about
• 23:31
  S6: that is just watching that, seeing some of the guys
• 23:35
  S6: in the background that 47 years ago I knew.
• 23:39
  S9: And that's.
• 23:40
  S3: Wild.
• 23:41
  S6: It's wild. Uh, and to see them, it's kind of
• 23:45
  S6: a double edged sword. It's whoa. Takes me back to
• 23:50
  S6: the soup that God saved me from. It was a mess, guys.
• 23:55
  S6: And great gratitude for. Look. Look what God's done in
• 23:59
  S6: my life, man. And it's totally his grace. So we're
• 24:03
  S6: asking you a question. What reminds you of what you've
• 24:08
  S6: been saved from? What reminds you? Shannon in Muncie, Indiana,
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  S6: first time caller. What do you say, Shannon?
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  S12: Hi there.
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  S6: What reminds you? Shannon? Yeah. Go ahead.
• 24:22
  S12: Yeah. So, um, we have a prodigal in our life
• 24:26
  S12: that's close to us. And I would say that daily
• 24:29
  S12: reminds me of what God saved me from.
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  S6: Yeah, that's a, that's an interesting. Thank you so much
• 24:34
  S6: for calling in. Shannon. First time caller. Isn't that something?
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  S4: Yeah, yeah, that's an interesting take on it. When you
• 24:40
  S4: look at a person and go, God has saved me.
• 24:45
  S3: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:46
  S4: Because I was once the prodigal.
• 24:48
  S3: Yeah.
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  S6: Yeah. There's so many things that we can look at
• 24:52
  S6: or hear or something pops up or somebody from the past,
• 24:55
  S6: or you're looking on social media and you see something
• 24:58
  S6: that just boom. I mean, it reminds you in an instant,
• 25:02
  S6: look at what God has saved me from. But while
• 25:05
  S6: we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Wow, what
• 25:10
  S6: an amazing thing. Ali, let's go back to the phone
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  S6: lines here.
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  S4: Linda, first time caller from Akron, Ohio. What reminds you
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  S4: of what you've been saved from Linda?
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  S13: Hi. Yeah, this is my first public confession. I was
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  S13: a thief, and I still. Even though I've been delivered
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  S13: from it. Um, there are times when I have to
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  S13: ask myself, is it finders keepers or are you stealing? Wow. Um,
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  S13: I still it's not a temptation, but I'm. Even if someone,
• 25:44
  S13: even if I carry something out in my grocery cart
• 25:48
  S13: and I didn't pay for it, I will go back in. Now. It.
• 25:52
  S13: I just know since I was a toddler in my
• 25:54
  S13: high school junior high years, I stole anything I could
• 25:57
  S13: from my mother, from anybody, any store. So I know
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  S13: I've been delivered for sure. And, um, yeah, I just
• 26:05
  S13: needed to confess that.
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  S6: Linda. That's awesome. Sister boom! And we love you. What
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  S6: a beautiful thing, guys, while we were yet sinners, Christ
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  S6: died for us. And so we look back and go, wow,
• 26:19
  S6: look at what he's done in my life. Beautiful. We're
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  S6: going to keep getting stories here this morning. Let's go back.
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  S6: Phone lines here. Who do we have?
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  S4: Christine. First time caller from Plant City, Florida. What reminds
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  S4: you of what you've been saved from?
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  S14: Hi. Well, I just wanted to say that I was
• 26:37
  S14: the prodigal. Um, I lived in addition for many years. Uh,
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  S14: I lied, cheated, stole. And what helps me to remember
• 26:45
  S14: what God delivered me from is I go to celebrate recovery,
• 26:49
  S14: which is the 12 steps based off of the Bible. And, um,
• 26:54
  S14: when we go there, we remember where we came from,
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  S14: but we don't just stop there. We, we, we look
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  S14: and see what happened, how God, you know, changed our lives. Yeah.
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  S14: And what we're like today. And it was a huge
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  S14: dramatic change from how I used to be to how
• 27:10
  S14: I am now. And the song that really helps me
• 27:13
  S14: to remember where I came from is by Big Daddy
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  S14: weave is called I AM redeemed.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S6: That's beautiful. Christine, thank you so much for calling in.
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  S6: First time caller boom. That's why we call you the
• 27:25
  S6: boom crew. You know, we're just taking a couple of
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  S6: moments here this morning because tomorrow, I mean, kicks off
• 27:33
  S6: this momentous day for us and we're going to have
• 27:36
  S6: four days in a few hours on Saturday of share.
• 27:40
  S6: And I don't know that there's any greater catalyst or
• 27:43
  S6: any great, greater call on our lives than to look
• 27:48
  S6: back and see the grace of God and say, whoa,
• 27:51
  S6: look at what God has done. And it can it
• 27:54
  S6: can ding you a little bit. It can be a
• 27:56
  S6: little bump of the cup, but then you go, mm,
• 27:59
  S6: this is powerful. Look at God's grace. What a great
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  S6: catalyst to, to share with others what God has done.
• 28:06
  S6: The good news.
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  S4: And you think about how often in Scripture God's people
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  S4: were told to remember.
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  S9: Yeah.
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  S4: Because it's very easy to forget because on one hand,
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  S4: you don't really want to go back there sometimes. But
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  S4: when we forget where God's delivered us, where, how he's
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  S4: brought us out, we can start to slip back.
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  S3: Yeah.
• 28:30
  S4: So forgetting is not what we remembering is a powerful thing.
• 28:34
  S4: Let's put it to the positive. Remembering is a powerful thing.
• 28:37
  S6: It is a powerful thing. It hurts a little bit
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  S6: for all of us. Right, guys?
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  S3: Oh, yeah. Goodness.
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  S2: Yeah. Remembering is hard sometimes because you're not the same
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  S2: person anymore. It's like watching something really bad on TV
• 28:50
  S2: and like, seeing someone do something really crazy on TV.
• 28:53
  S2: And you go, that was me. No. And you feel
• 28:56
  S2: all that kind of come back again because you're not
• 28:58
  S2: the same person. But Jesus changed us and he has
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  S2: redeemed us.
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  S6: It's beautiful.
• 29:04
  S1: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.
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  S5: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
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  S5: to stay in your past, and I want you to
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  S5: know and believe that today.
• 29:14
  S1: You're listening to Carl and Cru.
• 29:16
  S6: A holy fear of God is a great thing and
• 29:19
  S6: allows us to approach His Word and go, how am
• 29:22
  S6: I doing? Well, if there's traps that are set by Satan,
• 29:27
  S6: boy does he bait him. And there are traps of
• 29:30
  S6: inauthentic faith that can keep us far from God. I've
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  S6: been looking forward to this. Doctor Coppinger with us right now. Jed,
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  S6: these traps, they're deadly, aren't they? My man.
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  S15: They are deadly. And one of them makes them so deadly,
• 29:44
  S15: is how deceptive they are. The manner in which they
• 29:47
  S15: come to us is that they seem like the way
• 29:49
  S15: of life, but oftentimes they're the way of death. And
• 29:53
  S15: so that's why I think Jesus sounds the alarm so
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  S15: intensely like he does.
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  S4: Doctor Jed Coppinger, our guest right now. Okay, so start
• 30:01
  S4: to break these down for us. You come at this
• 30:03
  S4: from a pastor's perspective. You've been in ministry for quite
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  S4: a while. How have you seen this play out both
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  S4: in your own life, but then in the life of
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  S4: those you've pastored.
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  S15: Yeah, I've seen this play out. It's been so surprising
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  S15: to me because the things you think you need to
• 30:19
  S15: watch out for are those those big sins in the culture,
• 30:22
  S15: which of course we need to stand against. But Jesus
• 30:25
  S15: sounds the alarm for something much more subtle, something much
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  S15: more hidden that's in our own hearts that we need
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  S15: to be aware of, that we can actually be the
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  S15: the kind of people he's talking about who honor him
• 30:38
  S15: with their lips, but really have a heart that's far
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  S15: from him.
• 30:43
  S6: What's interesting is that it's this grand, oh, the God
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  S6: of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelieving.
• 30:50
  S6: Let's just start there. If. If the God of the age,
• 30:53
  S6: the prince and power of the air. Satan himself has
• 30:57
  S6: blinded minds. How? How does the veil come down?
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  S15: Well, it's a miracle when it comes down, right? God says,
• 31:05
  S15: let there be light. Second Corinthians four says this every
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  S15: time there's a regeneration every time there's there's that new life.
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  S15: But we have a role to play in that. And
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  S15: I think one of the things that I found in
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  S15: my own life as someone who was a fake Christian
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  S15: up until I was 20 years old, I knew the
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  S15: right answers. I had all the truths in my head,
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  S15: but I had a heart that was far from him.
• 31:26
  S15: I was like those whitewashed tombs that Jesus talked about
• 31:30
  S15: in his final public message there on the Tuesday of
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  S15: Easter week, where he said everything looked good on the outside,
• 31:37
  S15: but it was filled with dead men's bones. I had
• 31:41
  S15: a zeal for God, kind of like Paul talked about,
• 31:43
  S15: but not according to knowledge. And and so one of
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  S15: the things you got to do is you got to
• 31:48
  S15: keep coming back to the Word of God and saying, yes,
• 31:50
  S15: am I a Christian or am I an American cultural Christian,
• 31:56
  S15: which is someone who says, I've been a Christian my
• 31:58
  S15: whole life, but it doesn't really make any big difference
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  S15: in my life except for maybe in a really scary moment.
• 32:04
  S15: That's why I think that quote by John Piper is
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  S15: so important, he says. You know, New Testament Christianity isn't
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  S15: just about new decisions, it's about new affections. Are you
• 32:15
  S15: alive to God? Do you enjoy God? Do you enjoy
• 32:18
  S15: walking in the word? Like James says, not being just
• 32:22
  S15: a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word?
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  S15: Because if you're just a hearer, you're deceiving yourself. The
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  S15: the New Testament teaches us that no one lies to
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  S15: us more than ourselves, and the only way to get
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  S15: out of that trap is by walking in the truth.
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  S15: The truth is found in the Word of God.
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  S4: Jed, what caused you to confront this in your own life?
• 32:46
  S4: You mentioned coming to genuine saving faith at age 20
• 32:50
  S4: after years of of fake Christianity. What caused you to
• 32:55
  S4: see the difference?
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  S15: You know, from a human perspective, I got to experience
• 33:01
  S15: the emptiness of success. I got all the things that
• 33:04
  S15: I wanted. Sometimes we come to Christ in a really
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  S15: tough time, and we realize we need someone to pull
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  S15: us out of the ditch another time. Other times, and
• 33:12
  S15: this is the case for me, is that we finally
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  S15: get to the bottom of the broken cistern and we realize, man,
• 33:17
  S15: there's got to be something more to life than this success,
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  S15: whatever the success might be for a person. For me,
• 33:24
  S15: it was basketball. It was the party life. It was
• 33:26
  S15: all those kinds of things. And I had all of
• 33:30
  S15: it that I kind of had oriented my whole life around,
• 33:33
  S15: and I was just empty and I wasn't experiencing the
• 33:37
  S15: fullness of what Jesus talks about is alone in his presence,
• 33:40
  S15: fullness of joy, eternal pleasures. He's calling us to more.
• 33:44
  S15: Not to settle for what the world offers. And so
• 33:47
  S15: I gave my life to him on August of my
• 33:49
  S15: junior year in college.
• 33:51
  S6: You know, Pastor Jed, I got to tell you, if
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  S6: you look at John 16, we've looked at this one
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  S6: little passage here. I'm just going to do it from
• 33:59
  S6: my heart here. Jesus says, if anyone would come after me,
• 34:01
  S6: let him deny himself, take up his cross and follow me.
• 34:06
  S6: You gotta lose your life to gain it. And then
• 34:09
  S6: he says, what does it profit a man to gain
• 34:11
  S6: the whole world and lose his soul? The interesting thing
• 34:14
  S6: here is that we've looked at self-denial as like pinnacle Christianity. Wow,
• 34:20
  S6: you're really rocking with Jesus when your self-denial. Jesus says
• 34:24
  S6: self-denial is the. It's the threshold of salvation. It's the
• 34:28
  S6: gate by which we pass. Pour out your heart on that, Jed.
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  S15: Yeah, it's it's it is absolutely a critical part of it.
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  S15: What Jesus is trying to do there is to try
• 34:37
  S15: to get us to die to these things that will
• 34:39
  S15: never give us life anyways, right? He says, for what
• 34:42
  S15: does it profit a man to gain the whole world
• 34:44
  S15: and forfeit his soul? I, I, I like the way that, uh,
• 34:48
  S15: the comedian Jim Carrey put it one time. He says,
• 34:50
  S15: I wish everyone could get rich and famous and everything
• 34:53
  S15: they ever dreamed of so they could see it's not
• 34:56
  S15: the answer. And I think that that's something that Jesus
• 35:00
  S15: is trying to highlight for us, but the enemy wants
• 35:02
  S15: us to understand, wants to keep us trapped and and
• 35:06
  S15: keep us far from God. And the way that he
• 35:08
  S15: does that is by, is by that crazy lie that
• 35:11
  S15: we're all tempted to believe, which is, you know, what's
• 35:13
  S15: going to bring you satisfaction just a little bit more,
• 35:16
  S15: just a little bit more at work, just a little
• 35:19
  S15: bit more money, just a little bit. Another trip, more applause,
• 35:23
  S15: more affirmation, whatever the thing might be. It's never going
• 35:25
  S15: to be a be enough. That's what Jesus says. The
• 35:28
  S15: way to salvation isn't by keeping going down the path
• 35:31
  S15: you're going down. It's by turning. It's repenting and dying
• 35:35
  S15: to that old way and receiving by faith the life
• 35:40
  S15: that he has purchased for you by your blood, by
• 35:43
  S15: his blood. Not something that you could earn, only something
• 35:46
  S15: you can receive by faith. And when you receive that
• 35:49
  S15: gift by faith, it changes you.
• 35:53
  S6: You know, I gotta tell you, um, going back to Piper,
• 35:57
  S6: he spoke in Atlanta with Louie Giglio a number of
• 35:59
  S6: years ago now to about 30, 40,000 students. And he
• 36:02
  S6: made the statement, there are millions and millions and millions
• 36:07
  S6: of people who go to great Bible preaching churches every
• 36:11
  S6: weekend and are lost as can be. What do you
• 36:15
  S6: say to that?
• 36:17
  S15: I would say that's a very biblical perspective. Jesus in
• 36:21
  S15: Matthew chapter 23, which is what my book is, is
• 36:25
  S15: primarily based on. He's talking to people who have Old
• 36:28
  S15: Testament books memorized, like the ones that we're tempted to
• 36:32
  S15: skip over right in the, in the Old Testament, in
• 36:35
  S15: our Bible reading, some of those guys had those things
• 36:37
  S15: memorized and still they missed it. They missed the truth
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  S15: of what it was all about, which is looking to
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  S15: Jesus and placing our faith in Him and His work,
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  S15: not in us thinking, you know what, I'm going to
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  S15: do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to
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  S15: avoid that. And you know what? I've got a good
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  S15: chance in heaven. I think I'm going to be good enough.
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  S15: It's someone that looks at Jesus and says, Jesus, you
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  S15: alone are my only hope for salvation, and you alone
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  S15: are my only guide for life. You're my Savior, you're
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  S15: my Lord, and you're my greatest treasure. And I'll leave everything,
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  S15: whatever it is that you call me to do. Because
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  S15: as long as I have you, I have everything. That's
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  S15: what I said on that. That night in August of
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  S15: my junior year in college. I just remember thinking, man,
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  S15: I've wasted everything that you've given me, Lord. But whatever
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  S15: I have now, it's all yours. All my sin, all my.
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  S15: You say, come to me, all you who are weary
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  S15: and heavy laden. I'm collapsing in your arms of grace.
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  S15: And I'm trusting you.
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  S4: Jed. You break it down pretty practically. In this book,
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  S4: I'm looking at some of these chapter titles. Fake Christianity
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  S4: fails to practice what it preaches, mandates higher standards for others,
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  S4: is motivated by human attention and affirmation. Those are the
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  S4: first three chapters. Pick one and and break it down
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  S4: a little bit.
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  S15: I found that the motivation for human attention. Jesus says
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  S15: that they expanded their phylacteries and prayer shawls and different
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  S15: things like this. He says they did this to be
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  S15: seen by others. He's letting us know that it's easy
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  S15: for us to do the right thing in the wrong way,
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  S15: that we can slip into a performers mentality and to
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  S15: be motivated to buy human attention and affirmation. And Jesus
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  S15: says he wants us to be motivated with a servant's heart,
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  S15: to be helpful and to bring glory to him and man.
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  S15: It is easy to slip into that. I remember early
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  S15: on in my ministry, I was getting ready to preach
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  S15: a message on a passage that was really an easy
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  S15: passage to preach on, but I was so anxious and
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  S15: as I examined why it was I was so anxious,
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  S15: I realized it wasn't because I was worried I would
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  S15: get the truth of Scripture wrong. It was because I
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  S15: was worried that I wouldn't be thought of as a
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  S15: good preacher. And without even realizing it, my heart had
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  S15: slipped into a performer's mentality. I wanted to be seen,
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  S15: affirmed by others for doing these things. Jesus calls us
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  S15: to something more. To be a servant, to bring him glory,
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  S15: to be consumed with that kind of approach. And that's
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  S15: the place of freedom. That's the place of peace.
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  S6: Beautiful man. I gotta tell you, pastor, this is some
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  S6: good stuff here. Name of the book is Fake Christianity
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  S6: ten traps of an Inauthentic Faith. This is good for you.
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  S6: I want you to check it out. Text the word fake.
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  S6: Text the word fake. You might not want to have
• 39:28
  S6: anyone looking over your shoulder when you text it. Just
• 39:30
  S6: text the word fake to 800 555 7898. Just that
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  S6: one word. Fake to 800 555 7898. Before I let
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  S6: you go, I got one question here revolves around parents.
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  S6: There's an epidemic and I've been a pastor. Now I'm
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  S6: not a radio guy. I just stumbled into this in
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  S6: the last ten years. No, God called me into it.
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  S6: Let's get that right. but I've been a pastor for
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  S6: a lot of years, and I've seen this in our
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  S6: church campuses here in Chicago alone. We have my wife
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  S6: says now 41 kids that were raised in church in good, imperfect,
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  S6: but good Christian homes who are far from God. There's
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  S6: a tendency, though, for a lot of moms and dads
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  S6: to find validation in where their kids are, and so
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  S6: they don't even pray for their kids rightly. They're praying
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  S6: for them to get back to church when the prayer
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  S6: needs to be, God, get them in you. Would you
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  S6: pour out your heart on that one?
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  S15: Yeah. I mean, nothing shows us more than anything about
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  S15: the need for a prayer life then parenting, because it
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  S15: reveals to us. I'm at a family camp right now
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  S15: talking to folks about this issue right here, because it's
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  S15: so critical, because you cannot control outcomes. You can only
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  S15: cultivate them just like a farmer. You can do the
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  S15: work in the soil, but you need God to send
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  S15: the rain. And that's why we want to be a
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  S15: people that pray and our prayer lives show that we
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  S15: believe God is is loving enough and powerful enough to
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  S15: work in our kids lives. And also it shows that
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  S15: we are humble enough in a stage where we need it.
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  S15: Pride doesn't pray. That's why Jesus points us to a
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  S15: father child relationship at this stage where our child needs
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  S15: help with daily bread to show us, this is what
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  S15: I want you to think about when you think about
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  S15: prayer that pride doesn't pray. So let's fight that pride
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  S15: with our prayer lives. Let's pray our problems. Let's pray
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  S15: our fears. Let's pray our tears. All the things that
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  S15: you're dealing with with your kids. Let's pray that God
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  S15: sends the rain. That he sends the fire. That he
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  S15: awakens hearts and stirs them. We don't just want kids
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  S15: who are moral, which is great. That keeps you out
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  S15: of jail. We want kids going to heaven, and that's
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  S15: what we need to pray for. Regeneration.
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  S6: Amen. Good stuff guys. Grab it. Text the word fake
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  S6: to 800 555 7898. It'll give you a link to
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  S6: fake Christianity. Ten Traps of Inauthentic Faith. Pastor, thanks for
• 41:55
  S6: being with us today. I appreciate you so much, my man.
• 41:59
  S1: Celebrating the unstoppable gospel.
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  S2: It's not that I've got to fill in these check
• 42:04
  S2: boxes so he's okay with me, but it's that I
• 42:06
  S2: get to stand close to him so that I can
• 42:09
  S2: experience the life that he has for me.
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  S1: You're listening to Carl and Cru.
• 42:14
  S6: You know, I'm going to go real chill on this one.
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  S6: Happy birthday Ali.
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  S4: Well thank.
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  S3: You.
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  S2: Happy birthday.
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  S5: Happy birthday.
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  S4: Ali. Thank you, I appreciate it.
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  S6: It is so much fun to have you on this team.
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  S3: Oh yeah.
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  S4: I appreciate you saying that.
• 42:28
  S6: It's a joy. It's a joy. By the way, if
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  S6: you want to know who responds to emails, well we
• 42:35
  S6: all tackle them. But Ali gets a lion's share of
• 42:37
  S6: these bad boys, let me tell you. And she responds
• 42:41
  S6: with grace and encouragement and hope. And we got a
• 42:44
  S6: whole team that responds to different emails and especially text messages.
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  S6: We try to. We try to respond to as many
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  S6: people as we can. But boy, it takes a team
• 42:53
  S6: to pull this one off. And I'm glad you're on
• 42:55
  S6: the team. Ali.
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  S4: Thank you. It's a it is a great privilege to
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  S4: be a part of this team. Truly.
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  S6: Any words for Ali here, guys?
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  S5: Oh, goodness.
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  S16: How long is the show?
• 43:07
  S4: Oh.
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  S16: No. I mean, I'm serious. You are a good friend,
• 43:12
  S16: a dear friend. You're amazing. You're talented, you're beautiful. But
• 43:16
  S16: as Carl said, you are so pivotal to this team.
• 43:20
  S16: And it's been an absolute blessing to know you professionally
• 43:25
  S16: and personally. It really has. And just to get to
• 43:28
  S16: I into your family and to enjoy that with you
• 43:31
  S16: in your heart and just all that, your talent. You're
• 43:36
  S16: very talented woman. A lot of people know, I mean,
• 43:39
  S16: your broadcasting background. I mean, seriously, there's a lot of
• 43:42
  S16: things that people don't know about Ali.
• 43:44
  S6: Oh, there's.
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  S3: A lot I know. There's a.
• 43:46
  S16: Lot.
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  S3: About. There's a lot there, man.
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  S6: And we ain't gonna go there.
• 43:50
  S3: Right.
• 43:50
  S6: Now.
• 43:51
  S3: Because that's.
• 43:51
  S4: That turned.
• 43:52
  S3: Quickly. There's a lot, but no.
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  S16: Um, thanking God for blessing me to know you. Thank you.
• 43:59
  S16: And to work with you, Diana. Thank you. I'm, I'm. Yeah.
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  S16: I'm going to get teary eyed. I'm gonna stop now. Jonathan.
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  S3: I won't.
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  S2: Get teary.
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  S3: Eyed.
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  S2: But I will say, uh, we are so grateful to
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  S2: have you here with us, uh, as a part of
• 44:12
  S2: the team and a part of the family. And your
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  S2: heart for the Lord is inspiring. Yeah. Uh, I love
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  S2: hearing your story. Uh, you know how you grew up
• 44:22
  S2: in the church, but you know how God really unlocked
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  S2: a genuine faith in him? Uh, over time, kind of
• 44:30
  S2: as you were an adult and seeing the heart for
• 44:33
  S2: you that you have for him. Now, there is no questioning, uh,
• 44:37
  S2: how your relationship has grown with him over the years.
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  S2: And so very grateful for you being here and sharing
• 44:42
  S2: that with us and with everyone else who's in their
• 44:44
  S2: cars right now.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S4: Thanks young thunder. I appreciate that.
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  S3: Yeah.
• 44:48
  S4: Wow.
• 44:49
  S6: What's your favorite birthday meal?
• 44:51
  S4: My favorite birthday meal.
• 44:53
  S3: Oh.
• 44:53
  S2: Also, who's your favorite member of Carl and crew?
• 44:56
  S3: Oh. Happy birthday.
• 44:59
  S6: What's your favorite birthday meal?
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  S4: I'm trying to. I'm trying to think. I mean, I
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  S4: think if I could design a perfect birthday meal, it
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  S4: would probably be a really good steak with, like, a
• 45:13
  S4: sauteed spinach.
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  S6: Oh, we're going there.
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  S4: Oh, and like a good, like, honestly, probably French fries.
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  S16: Hey, if we're going to have a birthday, let's.
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  S3: Let's do this.
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  S6: Yeah. And let's let's be honest, it's awesome. French fries
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  S6: and steak. I love.
• 45:30
  S3: That.
• 45:30
  S4: And one of the things that my husband thinks is
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  S4: kind of quirky about me is that I really like,
• 45:35
  S4: I love different sauces. So if there's like, if there's
• 45:39
  S4: a steak or, and they give you like sometimes they'll
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  S4: give you different salts or different sources to. I'm going
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  S4: to try all of them, and I'm not.
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  S3: Going.
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  S4: To have a single byte that I don't dip into it.
• 45:50
  S4: If it's a. Or if there's like a, a, a saw,
• 45:54
  S4: like I'm always going to try the sources, all of them.
• 45:57
  S4: And he's not a source guy. So he finds it
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  S4: kind of strange that I'm as into like the sources
• 46:02
  S4: as I am. But yeah, give me all the dipping sauces.
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  S4: Let me try it all and let's go. Lots of salt.
• 46:08
  S4: And then how about a big brownie with a scoop
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  S4: of ice cream? Even though I don't eat dairy, let's
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  S4: go for it on my birthday.
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  S3: On her birthday doesn't count.
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  S2: If it's on.
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  S3: Your birthday.
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  S4: Doesn't count, right?
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  S3: That's right.
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  S6: Happy birthday. Ali.
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  S3: Thank you.
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  S4: I will say I best birthday gift I've gotten of
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  S4: the day for sure is a text from my 16
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  S4: year old daughter. The sweetest birthday text ever.
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  S3: Wow. And I just I'm almost.
• 46:36
  S4: Tearing up in here because, you know, so unexpected to
• 46:39
  S4: get affirmation from from your teenage Teenage.
• 46:44
  S3: Enough said. I don't say it enough.
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  S16: You need to say anything else.
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  S4: Dot dot dot.
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  S3: Here's why.
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  S4: I.
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  S3: Love.
• 46:50
  S4: You so. Man, that one scene just about a couple
• 46:53
  S4: minutes ago, came in and she's just starting her school
• 46:57
  S4: day before she gets her phone put away. Sent me
• 46:59
  S4: a text to wish me happy birthday. That meant a
• 47:01
  S4: lot to me.
• 47:02
  S3: Here's the.
• 47:03
  S16: Deal. There's the day.
• 47:04
  S6: I feel prompted of the spirit here with something we've
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  S6: been talking all morning here, off and on about what
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  S6: reminds you of what you've been saved from. And I
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  S6: sense in my heart that some of you that need
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  S6: to be saved from yourself and from the manifestation of,
• 47:20
  S6: of different things that are going on in your life
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  S6: that are derailing you and keeping you from life in
• 47:27
  S6: Christ Jesus. And you came here and you might have
• 47:29
  S6: heard some stories, and maybe you are this morning just
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  S6: at the end of yourself. And I want you to
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  S6: know that's the that's the only posture to be in
• 47:39
  S6: where Jesus can save your soul. Blessed are the poor
• 47:43
  S6: in spirit. Jesus said, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
• 47:46
  S6: Poor in spirit means that you realize when you realize
• 47:49
  S6: your spiritual bankruptcy, that you're broke, man, you're, you're, you're
• 47:53
  S6: broken and you're broke. You got nothing. You got nothing
• 47:56
  S6: to bring to the table. And when you become aware
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  S6: by the power of the Holy Spirit that you're a
• 48:02
  S6: sinner and you need a savior, you've been missing the mark,
• 48:06
  S6: and it's painful. I want to tell you the best
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  S6: news ever. If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord,
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  S6: and I'll explain that in a moment and believe in
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  S6: your heart that God raised him from the dead, you
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  S6: will be saved. And it's being saved indicates something very
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  S6: important here that you are walking dead. You were born
• 48:30
  S6: with your back to God. You're an enemy of the cross.
• 48:34
  S6: But in God's goodness and mercy, he reveals to you
• 48:38
  S6: that he wants to save you. And we've been celebrating
• 48:41
  S6: Ali's birthday today. But there's no greater birthday than a
• 48:44
  S6: spiritual rebirth day. And today's your day. And I don't
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  S6: know why you're here. Except that God and His goodness
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  S6: saw fit to bring you here. So I want to
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  S6: explain this. If you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord.
• 48:59
  S6: You see, when we've really come to the bottom of
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  S6: our self, the end of our self, we realize I
• 49:05
  S6: don't just believe that he exists. I believe that he
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  S6: must be the highest authority in my life, that he's
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  S6: going to direct the affairs of my life. Jesus said,
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  S6: I am the way and the truth and the life.
• 49:19
  S6: No man comes to the father but through me, and
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  S6: you can come to him today. But that that new direction,
• 49:26
  S6: the new way, means that you're leaving the broad path
• 49:29
  S6: that leads to destruction, and you're surrendering all you are
• 49:32
  S6: to Jesus. And I'm simply going to ask you today
• 49:36
  S6: is today your day of new birth. You're lost. But
• 49:42
  S6: you know that God's calling to your heart. To surrender
• 49:45
  S6: all that you are to him. And it's his work
• 49:48
  S6: that does that. And today you're turning off the broad
• 49:52
  S6: path that leads to destruction. You're turning around, you're doing
• 49:55
  S6: a 180, you're repenting of your sin today, and you're saying,
• 50:00
  S6: I give you my life. I'm confessing with my mouth
• 50:04
  S6: for the first time in my life, never before have
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  S6: I said this. You are the one in charge of
• 50:10
  S6: me now. Wow. You believe in your heart that God
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  S6: raised him from the dead. You will be saved. And
• 50:21
  S6: if that's you right now, we're going to help you
• 50:23
  S6: in just a moment. But I'm going to pray for
• 50:25
  S6: you right now. And then Ali's going to give you
• 50:27
  S6: a link of something that we're going to hook you
• 50:29
  S6: up with. It's going to help you in your first
• 50:30
  S6: steps with Jesus. But it's been a while, and I
• 50:33
  S6: felt prompted to give the good news that you needed
• 50:36
  S6: this morning. And father, I pray for this person right now.
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  S6: They are the focal point of your grace this morning.
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  S6: Your favor, your power to do them what they can
• 50:50
  S6: not do in themselves. And I praise you that as
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  S6: this person right now is turning and surrendering to you,
• 50:58
  S6: I thank you that you are flooding them with joy,
• 51:02
  S6: indescribable and peace that's been elusive for their whole life,
• 51:09
  S6: and you're giving them a hope that is almost hard
• 51:14
  S6: to put into words. And Lord, I praise you that
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  S6: you call sinners out of darkness and into the light,
• 51:23
  S6: and you save us thoroughly. And it's your work completely.
• 51:26
  S6: And I give you thanks for that today. Ali, we
• 51:29
  S6: want to help some people.
• 51:30
  S4: If that's you, just text the word new to 805
• 51:34
  S4: 55 7898. N e w new to 800 555 7898.
• 51:42
  S4: That just allows us to send you a quick text
• 51:44
  S4: message that's going to give you some follow up, an
• 51:46
  S4: opportunity to get connected, even with a member of our
• 51:49
  S4: team here at Moody, just to text new to 800
• 51:53
  S4: 555 7898.
• 51:55
  S6: Yeah. And God loves you so much. He knew that
• 51:59
  S6: you would be here today. He knew that you were
• 52:02
  S6: coming to the end of yourself. And he knew that
• 52:05
  S6: the the prevenient grace of God, this, this ever present
• 52:10
  S6: reality of the good news of Jesus Christ, the veil
• 52:14
  S6: would come down and new life would be ushered in.
• 52:17
  S6: And welcome to the family. If that's you today, just
• 52:20
  S6: text the word new to 800 555 7898. The old
• 52:26
  S6: is gone. The new has come. Just text the word new.
• 52:30
  S6: One word new to 805. Five. 555 7898. And welcome
• 52:37
  S6: to the family.
• 52:39
  S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 52:42
  S6: Want to get the story behind the story and what's
• 52:44
  S6: going on in Iran? You see a lot of it.
• 52:47
  S6: You hear a lot of the statistics. You hear about
• 52:50
  S6: navies that are no more and you hear about air supremacy.
• 52:55
  S6: But the real air supremacy is the power of the
• 52:57
  S6: Spirit of God, who is working mightily in Iran. Doctor,
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  S6: share it with us right now. Her most good to
• 53:05
  S6: have you with us today. Thank you, my friend. Um,
• 53:08
  S6: we're with what's on your heart, what's going on right
• 53:11
  S6: now in Iran from your vantage point?
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  S17: Well, thank you, Carl, um, for inviting me to share.
• 53:18
  S17: There is so much happening in Iran. It's a history
• 53:21
  S17: in the making, of course, the political part, the war,
• 53:25
  S17: all of you know, and you watch and you see
• 53:28
  S17: what's happening. But there is a spiritual history is also
• 53:32
  S17: being made and biblical prophecies are being fulfilled. And the
• 53:36
  S17: people of Iran have been suffering for 46 years. And
• 53:41
  S17: for the last year or two, they have been asking
• 53:43
  S17: for help. See how miserable the people of Iran have
• 53:47
  S17: been that they would call foreign nations? Would you attack us?
• 53:52
  S17: This attack was invited, was initiated by the people of Iran.
• 53:56
  S17: They have been saying, hey, Uncle Trump, by the way,
• 54:00
  S17: they like they love Trump and they call him Uncle Trump.
• 54:04
  S17: Uncle Trump, come and help us. Bibi Netanyahu will come
• 54:08
  S17: and help us. So desperate that they say we cannot
• 54:11
  S17: do it. We come on the streets, they kill by thousands.
• 54:14
  S17: You know, in January, about 40,000 people were killed in
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  S17: two nights that they come out and 100,000 people have
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  S17: been arrested, which can be and will be executed if
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  S17: we don't do anything. Last year, they executed five people
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  S17: per day that 100,000 people. If the if the government
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  S17: of Iran survives. Their lives are in danger. So this
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  S17: is what's happening. People of Iran are pretty happy. I
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  S17: hope you you have seen that the bombs are coming
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  S17: into cities. People are on their rooftops. They are rejoicing there.
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  S17: They are singing. Some of them have even the chairs
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  S17: to watch because they feel safe. They know that us
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  S17: will not attack residential, so they feel safe. They feel
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  S17: that there is a hope that the government will calm
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  S17: down and that hope is sustaining them.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S4: Doctor Shariat, our guest right now, founder and president of
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  S4: Iran Alive Ministries that use satellite broadcasting and the internet
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  S4: to reach Iranians with the gospel that their channel is
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  S4: the most watched Christian channel in Iran with over 7
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  S4: million daily viewers. Now, you mentioned biblical prophecy being fulfilled
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  S4: from your vantage point, how do you see this current,
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  S4: the current state in Iran fitting into biblical prophecy?
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  S17: Oh, definitely. Yes, it has been gradually the last 47 years.
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  S17: If you go to Jeremiah 49, verses 34, and on
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  S17: until the end of the chapter, which is 4939. If
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  S17: you look at it and read it carefully and compare
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  S17: it to what's happened in Iran and what's happening in Iran,
• 55:57
  S17: you see, you see that biblical prophecies have been and
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  S17: are being fulfilled. By the way, in my book, Iran's
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  S17: Great Awakening. I have several chapters studying those prophecies, Iran's
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  S17: Great Awakening. So you're looking at that prophecy. This is
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  S17: the this is the core. This is the main event
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  S17: in Jeremiah 4934 and on.
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  S6: Yeah, the breaking of the bow. It's fascinating. And even historically,
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  S6: the Iranian people were great archers and that's prophesied way back.
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  S6: And now you look at the. You know, doctor Mark
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  S6: Hitchcock has been speaking a lot on this lately. I
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  S6: was talking to Michael about this and he says, Doc
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  S6: Hitchcock's one of the real great interpreters of these prophecies.
• 56:45
  S6: It is almost eerie, is not the right word. It's unbelievable.
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  S6: It's hard to get your brain around how what we
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  S6: see in not only Jeremiah 49, but Ezekiel 38 and 39, Hermas,
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  S6: there is a uprising of of followers of Jesus. We
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  S6: don't know exactly about what is prophesied fully. It'll be
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  S6: clear in hindsight, but the I will make Iran or
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  S6: Islam my throne and the breaking of the bow, meaning
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  S6: the destruction of this powerhouse of a country with weapons galore.
• 57:23
  S6: It is amazing to witness this her most. You never.
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  S6: You couldn't have imagined. This has got to be like
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  S6: Christmas every day for you right now. In some ways
• 57:33
  S6: looking at prophecy.
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  S17: Uh, it it is, but you know, uh, we, the
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  S17: Lord has called us to weep with those who mourn. Yes.
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  S17: And to laugh with those who are rejoicing. So that
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  S17: has been my story of my life the last few months.
• 57:48
  S17: The last couple of months, yeah. 40,000 young Iranians were killed.
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  S17: We had daily broadcasts, uh, mourning with people, giving them
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  S17: hope and solid hope, as you mentioned. Jeremiah 4938. He says,
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  S17: I will set my throne in Iran, which is a
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  S17: very positive thing. And then the following verse, he says,
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  S17: I will bless Iran. I will prosper Iran. So, uh,
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  S17: but at the same time, as you mentioned, I'm, you know,
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  S17: one eye I'm crying and one eye I'm laughing. Why?
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  S17: Because people are being getting saved. And every salvation we
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  S17: know there is a party in heaven for one salvation.
• 58:26
  S17: So we are rejoicing at the same time. For so
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  S17: many Muslims are coming to Christ. They Iranians have looked
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  S17: at Islam. They experienced Islam for 40 some years, and
• 58:37
  S17: now they're saying the problem is not with the government.
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  S17: The problem is with Islam. Islam is the root of
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  S17: our problems and we need to get rid of it.
• 58:45
  S17: So Islam has experienced its greatest defeat in history. They
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  S17: have looked at brutality of the government and they say,
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  S17: I'm done with Islam. What else is out there? That's
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  S17: why Iran has the fastest growing evangelical population in the world.
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  S17: That's why thousands of them contact us every month, and
• 59:04
  S17: we lead them to Christ because they're already done with Islam,
• 59:07
  S17: and they're open to the message, the love of Christ.
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  S17: It's such a contrast. Whatever Islam is not Jesus is. Yeah.
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  S17: So when they reject that hatred, violence, revenge, they come
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  S17: to Christ. Love, forgiveness, and peace and joy. Yeah. So
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  S17: Jesus is very attractive to Iranians.
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  S6: Really quickly here. Give us a fresh story that's on
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  S6: your heart that you've heard or you've spoken with. Give
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  S6: us a fresh story that really captures what God is
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  S6: doing there right now in the middle of this war.
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  S17: Well, to confirm what I just said, I want to
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  S17: share this story. You know, 40,000 people killed, that's 40,000 families.
• 59:51
  S17: And just the last two months, another layer of devout
• 59:55
  S17: Muslims have are done with Islam. They're open to the gospel.
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  S17: One of our people, one of our leaders inside Iran,
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  S17: told me this. He said, I came to Christ a
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  S17: few years ago. My family were so devout Muslims, they
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  S17: were against me. They would not want to listen to me.
• 1:00:13
  S17: Many of them just communicated with me. They don't want
• 1:00:17
  S17: to even talk to me, especially, he said, my uncle
• 1:00:21
  S17: was so against me six months ago. My uncle told me,
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  S17: I am going to turn you in. I'm going to
• 1:00:28
  S17: call the government and say he has become an infidel.
• 1:00:31
  S17: He has become. He is worthy of death. He said,
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  S17: I'm going to call you. Call and they're going to
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  S17: come and get you. He said, that was six months ago.
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  S17: My uncle. And then he says, can you believe it?
• 1:00:43
  S17: Last night my uncle called me and says, please tell
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  S17: me about Jesus. That's what's happening. The turning hearts from
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  S17: Islam towards Jesus. This is a really hard times in Iran,
• 1:00:57
  S17: but at the same time, this is harvest time. Souls
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  S17: are ready in Iran and God has given us a
• 1:01:03
  S17: 24 over seven channel. We go over the heads of
• 1:01:06
  S17: the mullahs into people's homes, tell them about Jesus exactly
• 1:01:10
  S17: the way you just did. I was watching, I was
• 1:01:13
  S17: listening to you, and I was so touched by the
• 1:01:16
  S17: way you shared the gospel Lovingly but very clear. That's
• 1:01:21
  S17: what we do on our channel and we see thousands
• 1:01:23
  S17: coming to Christ every month.
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  S4: Oh, Doctor Sherry from Iran live at ministries. If you
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  S4: want more, just text live to (800) 555-7898. For more on
• 1:01:35
  S4: this ministry, just text alive to (800) 555-7898.
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  S6: Oh, what great news. Pray for Iran.
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  S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl
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  S1: and Cru.
• 1:01:52
  S6: Jesus said it. I am the way and the truth
• 1:01:55
  S6: and the life. No man comes to the father but
• 1:01:57
  S6: through me. He was very clear. I'm going somewhere. I'm
• 1:02:00
  S6: preparing a place for you, and I will come again
• 1:02:03
  S6: if those aren't true. And if we can't take them
• 1:02:05
  S6: to the bank, we're like the Apostle Paul says. We're
• 1:02:08
  S6: to be pitied more than any man. But didn't. Pilate
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  S6: asks the right question. Guys, check this out. This is
• 1:02:14
  S6: from John 1838. I'll set it up with this. You
• 1:02:17
  S6: got Jesus making claims of his kingship, and you've got
• 1:02:20
  S6: Jewish leaders saying he's seditious. He's undermining everything that we
• 1:02:26
  S6: are as a culture. And Pilate says, what is truth?
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  S6: I think he actually wants to know what the truth was.
• 1:02:33
  S6: What did he say? Andy Bannister Pilate asked a good question,
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  S6: didn't he?
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  S18: Yes. I think it's an excellent question. Yeah. Arguably, it's
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  S18: one of the most important questions we can ask. Right.
• 1:02:42
  S18: What is truth? I mean, to go, boy, where do
• 1:02:44
  S18: you go from there? What a great starting point. So
• 1:02:46
  S18: Pilate asked the right question. Shame. I don't think he
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  S18: hung around long enough to wait for the answer, though.
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  S18: I would say.
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  S3: Yeah.
• 1:02:52
  S4: Doctor Andy Bannister guessed right. Now he's the director of Solace.
• 1:02:55
  S4: He speaks and teaches regularly throughout the UK, Europe, Canada
• 1:02:58
  S4: and the US, addressing both Christians and those of all
• 1:03:02
  S4: faiths on issues relating to faith, culture, politics and society.
• 1:03:06
  S4: You know, when it comes to the claim of the
• 1:03:08
  S4: Christian that Jesus is the way, we are also saying
• 1:03:13
  S4: that every other way is false, which to many people,
• 1:03:17
  S4: and this is the pushback that I'm sure you hear often,
• 1:03:20
  S4: isn't Christianity. Arrogant? Isn't it arrogant of us to claim
• 1:03:24
  S4: that not just that we believe it, that but that
• 1:03:27
  S4: it's true and that everything else is false?
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  S18: Well, I'd say a couple of things there, Ali, kind
• 1:03:32
  S18: of straight away. The first thing is that with respect
• 1:03:35
  S18: and we need to be careful not to try and
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  S18: score cheap points with this one. But the point is,
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  S18: truth claims are by their very nature exclusive. So if
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  S18: I say two plus two is four, you could turn
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  S18: around and go, dude, you're so arrogant. I think it's nine, man,
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  S18: how dare you tell me you're crazy Brits with your
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  S18: exclusive mathematics. If I say, hey, you know the current
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  S18: president of the USA is Donald Trump, that rules out,
• 1:03:56
  S18: you know, 300 million other Americans who are not the
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  S18: current president of the USA. And the list goes on.
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  S18: And to anyone who gets nervous about exclusive truth claims,
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  S18: I can guarantee that no matter how relative you want
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  S18: to be, if you're sitting on an airplane about to
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  S18: take off from an airport and the pilot comes over
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  S18: the tannoy and she announces and says, you know what?
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  S18: I don't believe in exclusive truth. So once we're at
• 1:04:17
  S18: cruising altitude, anyone you like can come and press buttons
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  S18: up here, because I don't think I've got all the answers.
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  S18: I don't think you'd hang around and go, what an
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  S18: amazingly progressive pilot. You'd be running for the emergency exits.
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  S18: Because we know instinctively, actually deep down, that truth, by
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  S18: its nature, is exclusive and truth matters. Often life depends
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  S18: on on truth. It's not just a game.
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  S6: How do you land on absolute truth? When I ask
• 1:04:43
  S6: grock about three hours ago, is gravity.
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  S18: A big mistake right away? Yeah.
• 1:04:48
  S6: No, but I'm playing with this one because I said,
• 1:04:51
  S6: is gravity. Is gravity an absolute truth? And this is
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  S6: what it came back to. It came back to the
• 1:04:56
  S6: definition of absolute truth. It said, well, if it's independent
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  S6: of context, perception or belief, it would not be truth
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  S6: to some. How do you even argue with that? Andy?
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  S6: I'm being real here.
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  S18: Well, I'd say it's it just shows the danger of
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  S18: an AI because of course, an AI doesn't have any
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  S18: understanding of truth in the first place. AI is just
• 1:05:13
  S18: following its programming and it was programmed by flawed human beings. Yeah,
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  S18: I think so. I think if you go right back
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  S18: to the ancients, I mean Plato, you know, that classic
• 1:05:22
  S18: Greek philosopher is quite interesting. He gave to me one
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  S18: of the greatest definitions of truth that stood for, you know,
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  S18: 4000 years, more or less. He said, you know, among
• 1:05:30
  S18: the things that make truth true and real truth is
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  S18: external to us. So it doesn't matter what you call
• 1:05:36
  S18: personally feel about it to go, it's external to you.
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  S18: So you may not like the fact that there's a
• 1:05:43
  S18: traffic jam on the highway in front of you, but
• 1:05:44
  S18: closing your eyes and wishing isn't going to make it
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  S18: go away. Truth is universal. So you know something is
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  S18: true here in the UK. It's true in the USA.
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  S18: It's true globally. So the truth by its very nature is,
• 1:05:58
  S18: is true everywhere. Two plus two is four wherever you go.
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  S18: And then truth is also true throughout time. It's always
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  S18: been the case that two plus two is four. It
• 1:06:08
  S18: will always be the case that two plus two is four.
• 1:06:11
  S18: And it's interesting you ask that question about gravity. If
• 1:06:14
  S18: grok was a human being, I would say so. You
• 1:06:16
  S18: do think it's possible that you'll wake up tomorrow morning, grok,
• 1:06:18
  S18: and be floating up near the ceiling somewhere, because gravity
• 1:06:21
  S18: is just a someone's perception. You know, gravity by its
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  S18: very nature, is external to us. We can't do anything
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  S18: about it. We're kind of stuck with it. And if
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  S18: you if you don't believe that, then perhaps don't take
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  S18: up skydiving as a hobby doctor.
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  S4: Andy Bannister, our guest right now. Now, you've written this
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  S4: that I think is fascinating, that sometimes we can slip
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  S4: from the true claim that all people have equal value
• 1:06:44
  S4: to the false claim that all ideas have equal merit.
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  S4: And I think that this is a good one to
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  S4: kind of dive into a little bit more, because sometimes
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  S4: it feels dishonoring to people to suggest that all ideas
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  S4: are not equal, even though all people have equal merit.
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  S4: Speak to that a little bit.
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  S18: That's the crucial thing, Ali, in our age right now,
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  S18: we've merged those two things. So when you say you
• 1:07:05
  S18: disagree with someone that can be taken as as you
• 1:07:08
  S18: hate them in some way. But that's such a dangerous
• 1:07:10
  S18: slope to go on. First thing, it doesn't respect the person.
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  S18: You know, if you and I were sitting down over a,
• 1:07:16
  S18: you know, for a coffee somewhere and I happened to say, uh,
• 1:07:18
  S18: you know, come out with something that's not true. Perhaps
• 1:07:20
  S18: as a Brit, I make some comment about American politics,
• 1:07:23
  S18: that you look at me and you go, classic, a
• 1:07:25
  S18: classic Brit. You've got it wrong. If you just pat
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  S18: me on the head and go, no, that's okay. That's
• 1:07:29
  S18: true for you. I won't offend you. Actually, that's treating
• 1:07:31
  S18: me like an infant. Actually it's going. Andy is so
• 1:07:34
  S18: immature and so unsophisticated and so hopeless. I don't challenge
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  S18: his wrong idea because he might get upset. That's actually
• 1:07:40
  S18: infantilised me. He hasn't respected me. Respecting me is going. Hey, Andy,
• 1:07:44
  S18: let me just stop you for a moment. What you've
• 1:07:46
  S18: said there. I appreciate why you might think it, but
• 1:07:48
  S18: it's not actually correct. Can I can I show you
• 1:07:51
  S18: why now? Sure. You can do it in a hateful way.
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  S18: You can dig me around the head and go, you're mad.
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  S18: That's not helpful. But you can correct me in a
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  S18: way that's that's loving and engaging and treats me as
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  S18: an adult. So that's the first thing we actually infantilize
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  S18: people if we don't separate those two things. And then
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  S18: the other problem I think you run into there as well,
• 1:08:10
  S18: is we're back to the to the universal nature of truth.
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  S18: We do all kinds of damage to society. If we
• 1:08:17
  S18: don't have a way of figuring out what's right and
• 1:08:19
  S18: wrong and what's true and what isn't true. I mean,
• 1:08:21
  S18: just take some of the big battles historically of our age.
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  S18: I was in America kind of recently, had spent three
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  S18: months over there, and one of my highlights was being
• 1:08:29
  S18: in Washington and standing on the steps of the Lincoln
• 1:08:32
  S18: Memorial where, uh, you know, Martin Luther King gave that
• 1:08:35
  S18: amazing I have a dream speech. Yeah. And, you know,
• 1:08:38
  S18: you look back to those great moments in American history
• 1:08:40
  S18: where where justice has rolled forward. What does it mean
• 1:08:43
  S18: if it turns around going, well, you can't challenge someone
• 1:08:45
  S18: in injustice because we might offend them. Maybe it's not
• 1:08:47
  S18: the case that all people are born equal. You know,
• 1:08:49
  S18: if you believe in slavery and racism, you know that's okay.
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  S18: We'll just pat you on the head and let you be.
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  S18: I think that's a devastating place to end up. I
• 1:08:57
  S18: think actually, things like justice and human rights, as well
• 1:09:00
  S18: as the bigger questions of faith and God and spirituality
• 1:09:04
  S18: and Jesus and so forth, All those things collapse utterly
• 1:09:09
  S18: if we forget how to talk about truth, even if
• 1:09:11
  S18: some of those conversations aren't always easy ones.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S6: Andy Bannister, that's a good bump of the cup because
• 1:09:18
  S6: oftentimes angry evangelicals, uh, dominate the landscape in their, their
• 1:09:24
  S6: willingness to embrace what is real for someone else is
• 1:09:28
  S6: oftentimes wanting. And that's a great challenge, Andi, I love that.
• 1:09:32
  S6: Love your heart there. Coming up here in a moment.
• 1:09:35
  S6: We live in a world, Andy, that each man is
• 1:09:38
  S6: doing what seems right in their own eyes. It's the
• 1:09:41
  S6: absence of truth. It's very subjective. Relative. How do we
• 1:09:46
  S6: witness in a world without absolute truth? More with Andy
• 1:09:50
  S6: Bannister straight ahead.
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  S1: You're listening to Carl and Cru on Moody Radio.
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  S6: Andy Bannister, our guest from the other side of the pond.
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  S6: Good to have you, Andy. Uh, the last words in
• 1:10:00
  S6: the book of judges are unnerving. Everyone did what was
• 1:10:05
  S6: right in his own eyes. My question revolves around moral relativism.
• 1:10:10
  S6: If all morality is relative to the person at hand,
• 1:10:15
  S6: doesn't this lead to sexual relativism? Even, uh, raising children? Relativism, uh,
• 1:10:23
  S6: death relativism. Doesn't it lead to each man does what
• 1:10:27
  S6: is right in almost any and everything. Andy.
• 1:10:29
  S18: It does call, but with one just minor thing I would,
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  S18: I would add that I found interesting over the years.
• 1:10:35
  S18: Most people I've met who are moral relativists and we
• 1:10:38
  S18: live in a very relativistic culture. You've summed it up well,
• 1:10:40
  S18: but no one is a moral relativist in the sense
• 1:10:43
  S18: that they're willing for people to be relativistic to them.
• 1:10:45
  S18: Most people are moral relativists. They want the freedom to
• 1:10:48
  S18: do what they want, but they want other people to
• 1:10:50
  S18: respect them. I remember once talking to a to a
• 1:10:53
  S18: student years ago who was a moral relativist, and we're
• 1:10:55
  S18: having quite a sort of frustrating conversation. And then this
• 1:10:58
  S18: light bulb moment occurred to me. She was banging on
• 1:11:01
  S18: about there's no moral values, everything is personal and so forth.
• 1:11:04
  S18: So I leant across mid-conversation and just picked up her
• 1:11:06
  S18: phone and put it in my pocket and she said,
• 1:11:08
  S18: what are you doing? I said, oh, I've stolen your phone.
• 1:11:11
  S18: Carry on. You were saying, she's like, well, I want
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  S18: my phone back. I went, no, no, no, you've just
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  S18: told me that morals are relative and you've convinced me.
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  S18: So I think stealing phones is okay. It's okay for me.
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  S18: Might not be okay for you, but it's okay for me.
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  S18: It's my phone now. So you were saying? Finally she
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  S18: starts banging the table, saying, give me my phone back.
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  S18: I went, I'll give you your phone back. When you
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  S18: concede that some morals may be more than relativistic. And
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  S18: she grinned and went, yeah, okay. Fair point. Can I
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  S18: have my phone?
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  S3: Give me my.
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  S18: Phone. So yeah, moral relativism works if people abide by
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  S18: your rules. And I always think that inconsistency is, is interesting.
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  S18: So if you're listening to this and you've got friends,
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  S18: family members, you know, who are in this position, just
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  S18: turn the tables gently and go, are you genuinely willing
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  S18: to let other people behave to you entirely as they like?
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  S18: I don't think you are. So there's a hypocrisy issue
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  S18: going on here. So it's not quite. Society is perhaps
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  S18: not quite as relativistic as we might first think at times.
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  S4: Doctor Andy Bannister, our guest right now. I love that question.
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  S4: I know you're big on asking questions in terms of
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  S4: engaging in these conversations. Give us some more suggestions for
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  S4: how to nudge someone lovingly toward at least an openness
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  S4: to the idea that there is an absolute truth, that
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  S4: there is moral, absolute.
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  S18: I think one of the first things I would say
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  S18: when you're talking to someone about this, the word morality,
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  S18: I think, sometimes causes a problem because if you're dealing
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  S18: with somebody, as there are many in our culture who
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  S18: are suspicious about religion, sometimes in their mind, morality can
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  S18: sort of mean this very dry, desiccated, almost, almost pharisaism.
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  S18: You know, they've got this idea that religious people like
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  S18: to sit up there looking down at others and intoning
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  S18: these other things you should do, and these are things
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  S18: you shouldn't do. And they react. And I'm sympathetic in
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  S18: that because Jesus had a few words to say for
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  S18: the Pharisees. So a great question to ask somebody might be, hey,
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  S18: what do you think morality is? What do you mean
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  S18: by morality? What is it we're talking about? Because that's,
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  S18: I think sets up, you know, if they give you
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  S18: that kind of sort of language back to say, well,
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  S18: you know what? Jesus talked a lot about the good life,
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  S18: but I don't think he used those that language. I
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  S18: think what I find attractive about Jesus, you know, his
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  S18: whole message was God wants the very best for us.
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  S18: He wants us to be in relationship with him. He
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  S18: wants us to love him and love each other. That
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  S18: was the two commands Jesus reduced the law to, and
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  S18: everything flows out of that. And so certainly for Christian ethics,
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  S18: Christian ethics, and Christian morality, I think when you read
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  S18: the New Testament, really should be an attitude of gratitude.
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  S18: It flows out of. Because what God has done for
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  S18: us in Christ therefore lived differently. You could argue that's
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  S18: a summary of all Paul's teaching on ethics, frankly. And
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  S18: if that's what ethics is, it looks great when it
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  S18: gets disconnected from Jesus, and that the life that God
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  S18: intends for us to have and becomes just dry, desiccated commandments.
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  S18: No wonder it looks problematic and no longer. No wonder
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  S18: why people then react against it as people reacted to
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  S18: the Pharisees. But I think the way into that conversation
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  S18: is to say to your friend, hey, when you say morality,
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  S18: what do you mean by that? What does that word
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  S18: mean to you? Because I think most people would see
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  S18: it negatively, not positively. And so you've got to start
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  S18: a few steps back. Does that kind of make sense?
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  S3: Yes. That's excellent.
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  S6: That's really good. Andy Bannister, our guest right now. Okay.
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  S6: So I'm going with this idea and I think you're
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  S6: right on. Everybody seeks the good life, whatever that may
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  S6: look like if that's the case. Andy, I've been so intrigued.
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  S6: I'm most intrigued with Paul before Agrippa. Here's a man
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  S6: that's being called down on his mission. And what he
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  S6: does is he shares his story. And it must have
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  S6: been it was three minutes and 10s at reading pace
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  S6: to tell his story. Yeah. And it's so rattled. Agrippa,
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  S6: he says, do you think you're going to convert me
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  S6: in such a short time? It isn't our story. that
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  S6: truth of the good life in us isn't that maybe
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  S6: one of the best points of argumentation from an apologetic.
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  S6: That's effective?
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  S18: Totally. I would say there are two components to it
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  S18: to a really powerful presentation of the gospel, an apologetic
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  S18: if you want to use the technical language. Carl. I
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  S18: think the first is our story and I'll say briefly
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  S18: why in a second. But then coupled with that is
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  S18: why people should take our story seriously. Because if you
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  S18: just tell your story, everyone's got a story. Our Buddhist
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  S18: friends have a story. Our Muslim friends have a story.
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  S18: If you just have a story, people need to know
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  S18: why I should take it seriously. So that is important.
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  S18: But the story piece is crucial because I think we're
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  S18: in a time increasingly where more and more, especially younger
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  S18: people are not asking the question so much. Is Christianity true?
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  S18: That comes later. They're asking the question, does it matter?
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  S18: Does it make a difference? And your story can answer
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  S18: that question. And by the way, on the morality piece,
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  S18: I think it's a very powerful approach. If rather than
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  S18: sort of bang on about this is right and this
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  S18: is wrong and starting there. What about backing up and saying, look,
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  S18: the reason I follow Jesus is, look, I'm not a
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  S18: good person. I know the kind of person I am. Yes.
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  S18: And I'm hugely grateful for what God did for me
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  S18: in coming the person of Jesus while I was still
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  S18: a scumbag, while I was still a rotter. While I
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  S18: was still God's enemies. You're paraphrasing Romans five, verse eight,
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  S18: by the way here and to go. I'm so grateful
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  S18: that God welcomed me into his family and forgave me
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  S18: in Christ while I was not a good person. And
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  S18: you know what? I'm still not a good person. I'm
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  S18: praise God, a better person because of God's work transforming me.
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  S18: But there are days when you know I'm still a
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  S18: bit of a mess. But actually what I love about
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  S18: being a Christian is God doesn't say, be a better person,
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  S18: sort your life out, but forgives you and takes the initiative.
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  S18: And then through the spirit in you gives you the
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  S18: power to begin changing and living differently. And that's a
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  S18: very different story. Story of morality. I think people think
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  S18: the church is sitting there, do this and don't do
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  S18: the other thing. I think that's a caricature of the gospel. Rather,
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  S18: the gospel says, no, here is the power to change
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  S18: and the power to live differently, beginning with becoming a
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  S18: new creation in and through Jesus.
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  S4: Doctor Andy Bannister, our guest right now, I want to
• 1:17:05
  S4: point you to a resource. He's edited and contributed a
• 1:17:08
  S4: chapter to a book called Have You Ever Wondered Finding
• 1:17:12
  S4: the everyday clues to meaning, purpose, and Spirituality. Just text
• 1:17:16
  S4: wonder to 800 555 7898. Text wonder to 800 555 7898.
• 1:17:25
  S6: I don't want to let him go. Andy, hold on
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  S6: here a second. I think there's a lot of people,
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  S6: many tens of thousands listening across North America right now,
• 1:17:34
  S6: maybe many more. They have an incredible heart to see.
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  S6: And this is an epidemic across America, as I'm sure
• 1:17:42
  S6: it is in Europe. A lot of kids were raised
• 1:17:44
  S6: in church, but they were never in Christ. Yeah. How
• 1:17:48
  S6: in the world do we break through that Relativism that
• 1:17:51
  S6: those kids have embraced. In a word, in a phrase,
• 1:17:56
  S6: in a paragraph. What do you say, Andy?
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  S18: Well, since Ali Ali very kindly mentioned the book, the
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  S18: approach that we take in that book is to start
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  S18: with the things that those kids care about. This, by
• 1:18:06
  S18: the way, is what Paul does in acts 17. He
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  S18: starts with what his audience care about there in Athens.
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  S18: Start with what they care about. And most young people
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  S18: I meet are passionate about things like justice. They're passionate
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  S18: about things like human rights. And that's a great place
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  S18: to start with those things that they already care about,
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  S18: and then be gently saying, look, all those things that
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  S18: you matter about, those things that you're animated about, they
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  S18: only make sense. They only work if human life has value,
• 1:18:30
  S18: if human beings genuinely have dignity and value and worth,
• 1:18:35
  S18: if we are nothing more than a collection of atoms,
• 1:18:38
  S18: then justice goes out the window. Human rights is just
• 1:18:40
  S18: a ludicrous idea. It's meaningless. On the other hand, if
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  S18: the Christian story is true that we were created in
• 1:18:47
  S18: God's image, that God demonstrates our value by dying for
• 1:18:50
  S18: us in Christ. Then yeah, there are questions that need answering.
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  S18: But here's the good news that gives a foundation for
• 1:18:57
  S18: all the things you care about. Justice. Yes matters. Racism
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  S18: is wrong. Human rights is really important. But those things
• 1:19:04
  S18: only matter if Christianity is true. So try and find
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  S18: something in where your friends, your son, your daughter, your grandchild,
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  S18: whoever it is you care about, try and find something
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  S18: where they are actually already camped without realizing it on
• 1:19:17
  S18: part of the Christian story. And effectively, you're you're saying
• 1:19:20
  S18: to them, come on home, you're kind of halfway there.
• 1:19:22
  S18: I know, yes, you've got frustrations and questions. Bring those.
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  S18: The church is a place for those things. But come
• 1:19:27
  S18: on back to where those things you already care about
• 1:19:29
  S18: actually best makes sense. That's how I often start with
• 1:19:32
  S18: young adults and young people.
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  S6: That's powerhouse. Andy Bannister, our guest here guys. And again, Ali,
• 1:19:38
  S6: we got a link don't we? And this is a
• 1:19:39
  S6: great resource.
• 1:19:40
  S4: Just text wonder to (800) 555-7898. Wonder to 800 555 7898.