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Mom, 26, Mayo Clinic Researcher, Vanishes After String of Funny Texts w/ Sister · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace and absolutely beautiful young Minnesota
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Speaker 1: mom is laughing and joking and texting with her sister,
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Speaker 1: and then suddenly she seemingly vanishes off the face of
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Speaker 1: the earth. Where is Madeleine I? Nancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at GMA the desperate
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Speaker 1: search to find a missing Minnesota mom of two who
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Speaker 1: disappeared eight days ago. Please help us find Madeline. The
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Speaker 1: children need their mother went on the police officials say,
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Speaker 1: twenty six year old Madeline Maddie Kingsbury's disappearance is suspicious
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Speaker 1: and they're worried for her safety. Our department and our
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Speaker 1: law enforcement partners are working relentlessly to find Maddie. Maddie
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Speaker 1: was last seen in the morning of Friday, March thirty first.
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Speaker 1: Maddie and the father of their children dropped the children
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Speaker 1: off at daycare shortly after eight am. Mandy to not
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Speaker 1: show up for work, which is very unlike her, and
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Speaker 1: we are worried for her safety. During the course of
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Speaker 1: our investigation, we know that Mandy returned to her residence
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Speaker 1: at Harry Drive, and it went on up around eight
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Speaker 1: fifteen am on March thirty first. The vehicle that Mandy
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Speaker 1: normally drives is a two thou fourteen dark blue Chrysler
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Speaker 1: Tommy Country many them. You know, when you don't know
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Speaker 1: where to start or what to do, just imagine put
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Speaker 1: yourself in the shoes of this beautiful young mom's family.
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Speaker 1: Everything seems fine, and then out of the blue they
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Speaker 1: realize we haven't heard from Maddie. Who is Maddie. That's
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Speaker 1: where you start an investigation with your VIC. You were
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Speaker 1: just hearing not only our friends at GMA, but also
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Speaker 1: Chief Tom Wilson of the Winona Police Department. But now
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Speaker 1: take a listen to what we know about who is Maddie.
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Speaker 1: On Mother's Day twenty twenty two, Madeline Kingsbury wrote on
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Speaker 1: Facebook quote being a mother has been my greatest adventure.
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Speaker 1: I could have sworn that they were little, both newborns
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Speaker 1: on my chest yesterday. Happy Mother's Day to all you
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Speaker 1: mama's out there. Madeline Kingsbury, known to her friends and
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Speaker 1: family as Maddie, is a twenty six year old mother
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Speaker 1: of two five year old daughter Eliana, two year old
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Speaker 1: son Noah. For the last three years, she's been working
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Speaker 1: at the Mayo Clinic. According to her linked profile, Mattie
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Speaker 1: is a clinical research coordinator for public Health, infectious Disease
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Speaker 1: and Occupational medicine research at Mayo Clinic, with a demonstrated
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Speaker 1: history of working in human subjects research. Mattie attained her
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Speaker 1: bachelor's science degree in public health healthcare Administration from Onona
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Speaker 1: State University in twenty nineteen, and she was working toward
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Speaker 1: a master's degree in public health from the University of
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Speaker 1: Minnesota School of Public Health. And in the last month
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Speaker 1: she was also looking for childcare providers with openings for
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Speaker 1: this summer. Safe to say, Maddie is a very busy woman. Wow,
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Speaker 1: she didn't just fall off the turnip trug. Huh. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I got an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now. But I'm going to go
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Speaker 1: first to a renowned psychiatrist joining us out of the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at Angela Arnold MD
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Speaker 1: dot com Doctor Angie. Did you hear what our friends
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Speaker 1: at crime online dot com just said about Maddeline Kingsbury.
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Speaker 1: This woman, She's twenty six years old with two children.
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Speaker 1: Is already working at the most renowned, one of the
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Speaker 1: most renowned facilities in the world, at the Mayo Clinic,
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Speaker 1: and she is in clinical research. Not only that, she
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Speaker 1: has two children she's raising and juggling all of that
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Speaker 1: all at the same time. Now, all of that is amazing,
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Speaker 1: But I'm trying to figure out where is Madeleine. And
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Speaker 1: the first thing you do when you look at your victim,
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Speaker 1: where would she have been? Well, she apparently goes to
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Speaker 1: work and she comes home to be with her children.
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Speaker 1: Work at home, work at home, completely devoted to her children,
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Speaker 1: and to work at Mayo Clinic. You can't be a slacker.
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Speaker 1: You got to be there on time, bright eyed and bushytail,
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Speaker 1: ready to go. So this is not a woman that.
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Speaker 1: Oh yet she had a drug problem. So maybe she's
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Speaker 1: with her supply her or maybe she's out, you know,
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Speaker 1: peddling dope on the corner, or you know, she's a boozer.
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Speaker 1: Last time I saw her, they were it was the
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Speaker 1: last call at the bar down the street. No risky
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Speaker 1: behavior at all. Could you explain why that's so significant
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Speaker 1: when a woman goes missing. Well, also, Nancy, let's point
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Speaker 1: out that she has future plans. She has future plans
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Speaker 1: to get her MPH, her master's in public health, which
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Speaker 1: is no, which is no easy thing to acquire. Okay,
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Speaker 1: if if the listeners out there don't understand what that means,
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Speaker 1: she get a master's in public health is a very
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Speaker 1: difficult to degree to get. Okay, Actually, doctor Angie, I don't.
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Speaker 1: I mean I have a master's and major's doctor, but
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Speaker 1: I don't know what is a master's in public health.
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Speaker 1: Oftentimes you get that degree if you do want to
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Speaker 1: be in the research field in academics, and it's a
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Speaker 1: it's a very I'm just telling you, it's a very
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Speaker 1: difficult degree to get, to be admitted to and to acquire.
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Speaker 1: So this woman has some very some very big future
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Speaker 1: plans for herself. She's not a secretary, not that there's
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Speaker 1: anything wrong with being a secretary, but she is a
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Speaker 1: very big job at the Mayo Clinic, which she is
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Speaker 1: planning to extend. She's planning to make her job bigger
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Speaker 1: at the Mayo Clinic. So, no, this is not a person.
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Speaker 1: You don't play around in academics. You don't not show
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Speaker 1: up for work. There are a lot of people depending
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Speaker 1: on her. People depend on her to get their grants,
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Speaker 1: sent there at the proper time and things like that.
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Speaker 1: So I'm sure she had a schedule that she kept.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure that she was. You know, she drops her
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Speaker 1: kids off, she goes to work. She's a working mom.
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Speaker 1: She's a working mom with a very big job, and
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Speaker 1: people and a lot of people depend on her in
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Speaker 1: that job that she's doing. Holl Donny just says something
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Speaker 1: really really important, and I'm going to follow it with
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Speaker 1: Julie Gates, John Lawrence and joining me from CBS there
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Speaker 1: in Minnesota, WCC. I'm getting right to you, and also
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Speaker 1: with a special guest, Megan Kingsbury. This is Madeline's sister.
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Speaker 1: Hold On just a second. I want to follow up
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Speaker 1: with something doctor Angie just said regarding her schedule. Hold On,
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Speaker 1: let me make a note of exactly what I wanted
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Speaker 1: to say with doctor Angie. I agree with you about
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Speaker 1: being a secretary. You know, my mom started off as
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Speaker 1: a secretary and at a pulp and paper company. She
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Speaker 1: went on to run the payroll and then turned into
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Speaker 1: the CFO of a fortune five hundred company in one
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Speaker 1: of their plants. So you know, I wouldn't snibble at
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Speaker 1: being a secretary. That said, I agree with everything else
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Speaker 1: that you just said. Julie Gates, major law enforcement crime
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Speaker 1: scene investigator, forensic Science program coordinator and instructor at the
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Speaker 1: Southern Crescent Technical College, and joining her today is her
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Speaker 1: entire class. I guess criminal procedure students. Julie, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. Did you hear what doctor Angela
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Speaker 1: Arnold said? Everything she said was correct, but I'm especially
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Speaker 1: hinged on what she said regarding Madeline Kingsbury's schedule. So
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Speaker 1: this is a woman that runs research, or part of
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Speaker 1: it at the Mayo Clinic. She's raising two children. She's
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Speaker 1: in the middle of working on her master's degree. Julie,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is the right way or
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Speaker 1: the wrong way to live, if there is such a thing.
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Speaker 1: But I actually have to divide my day starting at
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Speaker 1: five am, into fifteen minute increments until I pick up
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Speaker 1: my twins from school. Then everything's off. But a lot
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Speaker 1: of that sounds crazy to a lot of people, But
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Speaker 1: to a high achiever like this woman, Madeline Kingsbury, I
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Speaker 1: bet she had segmented times of the day. This is
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Speaker 1: when I get up, This is when I make the
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Speaker 1: breakfast for the children, This is when I wake them up,
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Speaker 1: this is when I feed the cat and the dog
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Speaker 1: and the guinea pigs. This is when I give them
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Speaker 1: their breakfast. This is what time we leave for drop off.
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Speaker 1: This is what time I get home, This is what
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Speaker 1: time I go to work, and then on and on
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Speaker 1: until she picks them up from school. Significance Julie Gates,
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Speaker 1: we know where to find her because she must be
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Speaker 1: a very highly regimented person to do everything she's doing.
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Speaker 1: Seems like she's very detailed and edel oriented. So I
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Speaker 1: do agree that, yeah, she's probably on a schedule that
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Speaker 1: you know, she takes her kids to school this time,
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Speaker 1: and you know everyone's depending on her. So yeah, she
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Speaker 1: does have a schedule and a regime that she would
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Speaker 1: follow daily. Okay, Julie Gates, you are an incredible forensic investigators. Investigator,
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Speaker 1: I don't need an echo chamber. I just said that.
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Speaker 1: I want you to tell me how that translates into
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Speaker 1: finding a missing woman. We know her scheduled, she's highly regimented.
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Speaker 1: It's not like she's just wandering around walking circles at
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Speaker 1: the mall all day. Nobody goes to victimology. I have
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Speaker 1: to look at her victimology. You know what, who she's
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Speaker 1: with what she's doing during the day, you know, and
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Speaker 1: that schedule does help that. Man, you're not kidding it
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Speaker 1: kind of a it's not a kneel in a haystack.
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Speaker 1: You kind of know where to start time stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Who is this woman and how at one
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Speaker 1: moment was she laughing and talking and joking, sending funny
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Speaker 1: pictures back and forth to her sister And then the
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Speaker 1: next thing, the sister says, mom, have you heard from Mattie?
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Speaker 1: And joining me right now? Is that sister Megan Kingsbury
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Speaker 1: And you can find her on Facebook finding Madeline Kingsbury
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Speaker 1: and go fund me, Go fund me the search for
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Speaker 1: Mattie and there they spell it M A D D.
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Speaker 1: I not Madeleine Meghan Kingsbury. First of all, I want
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Speaker 1: to tell you how much my heart's going out to you.
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Speaker 1: I have one sister and she lives far away, and
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Speaker 1: when I don't hear from her saying a week, I
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Speaker 1: get worried and I cannot. She's the closest thing to me.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry what you're going to Megan. We all
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Speaker 1: are thank you. Yeah, she's my best friend. Gus. I
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Speaker 1: hardly know where to start, but you know what. Let's
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Speaker 1: hear Megan in her own awards describing her sister, Listen.
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Speaker 1: Madeleine is a hardworking and dedicated mother as well as
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Speaker 1: a grad student at the UFM and works for male
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Speaker 1: clinic families. Everything to her, She's grown into an impressive
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Speaker 1: and beautiful young woman, Madeline who saw many things. She's
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Speaker 1: a mother, sister, and daughter, best friend, granddaughter, enemies. It's
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Speaker 1: a long whist. She's a young mother of two five
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Speaker 1: year old Eliana two year old Noah. Elias spunky and goofy.
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Speaker 1: She loves to be crafty and creative. She's inherited her
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Speaker 1: mother's kindness and curiosity about the world. Little Noah has
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Speaker 1: turned into a chatterbox. Can't tell what he sets up
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Speaker 1: the time. He loves to dance, He loves a rock
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Speaker 1: and roll and he was blessed with the red headed
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Speaker 1: Jean for my grandfather. Megan, first of all, tell me
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Speaker 1: about your sister's children. Her two babies. I believe they are.
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Speaker 1: I guess they were in preschool, right, yeah. Ellie attended
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Speaker 1: a Montessori preschool in Winona, and then Noah went to
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Speaker 1: in home daycare and Winona as well. Tell me about
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Speaker 1: her relationship with her children. They were the light of
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Speaker 1: her life, constantly with them, constantly, you know, trying to
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Speaker 1: discover new things to teach them. She really encouraged them
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Speaker 1: to be their own little people. She was very much
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Speaker 1: a yes mom, you know, wanted them to experience everything.
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Speaker 1: You know, just thinking about them, one is two and
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Speaker 1: one is five. How are they reacting to mommy not
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Speaker 1: being there every single day? You know? Um, Fortunately they're
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Speaker 1: very young. Um, so especially Noah, you know, he's only two.
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Speaker 1: Us as far as them, you know, asking about her
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Speaker 1: once in a while. But um, they're they're doing really well. Um,
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Speaker 1: I'm right now. So ums, as far as we can tell,
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Speaker 1: they haven't you know, really noticed any any big difference.
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Speaker 1: They must be surrounded by a lot of love right now, yea,
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Speaker 1: and not even realize that anything is out of the norm.
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Speaker 1: Guys listened to more since her first child was born,
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Speaker 1: which is five years ago. Now, Um, you know, I
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Speaker 1: talked to her multiple times on a daily basis, um, FaceTime, phone, text, um,
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Speaker 1: even and the rest of my family. She's just in
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Speaker 1: constant communication with us about every minute detail. So it's
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Speaker 1: very unlike her. The last communication that I had with
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Speaker 1: her was the morning of Friday, March thirty. First, she
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Speaker 1: had sent me a text at about eight fifteen in
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Speaker 1: the morning, regular text for her. We were chuckling about
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Speaker 1: a funny photo exchanged between us, and that was the
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Speaker 1: last communication with me or with any of my family
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Speaker 1: or her other friends. You're hearing Madeline's sister, Megan speaking
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Speaker 1: to our friends at Fox and Friends. Megan, so you
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Speaker 1: guys were exchanging texts early that morning, as early as
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Speaker 1: eight fifteen. Yeah, you know, we both start early in
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Speaker 1: the morning. I personally I start work at seven am,
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Speaker 1: so and she's up with the kids. So yeah, pretty
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Speaker 1: much every morning, it's pretty pretty early contact with us.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand her schedule. Megan with me is Megan Kingsbury.
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Speaker 1: This is Madeline's sister, very very close relationship. You just
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Speaker 1: heard her say. They texted or talked every day, Megan
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Speaker 1: in the morning, so she would get up. Would she
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Speaker 1: always dropped the children, one at the home daycare and
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Speaker 1: one at the Montessori. Ellie went to the Montasori gosh,
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Speaker 1: I think maybe two or three days a week. The
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Speaker 1: other days she went to the same in home daycare
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Speaker 1: as Noah, and Madeline would be the one to drop
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Speaker 1: them off. Yeah. Sometimes I think their father joined as well.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't quite clear on how often, but she definitely
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Speaker 1: would always be there, so it's always her now who
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Speaker 1: would pick them up? I think typically it would be
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Speaker 1: her or both parents. I think it kind of depended
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Speaker 1: on her schedule, but almost always her, and maybe the
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Speaker 1: dad would also come. Yes, okay. The day that she
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Speaker 1: went missing, who picked them up? Their father? Okay, so
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Speaker 1: that was covered. I was just imagining a nightmare of
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Speaker 1: the children, like standing outside for pickup and nobody being there.
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Speaker 1: Of course, no, it was too young to do that. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out what happened. Now. You exchange
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Speaker 1: a text with her early that morning at megan eight fifteen.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear from her after that? I did not?
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Speaker 1: Was that normal? No? I mean, even if she can't
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Speaker 1: talk or she's busy, she'll send a message saying so hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm busy, I'll talk to you later. But no, I didn't.
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Speaker 1: I didn't get anything else. And that was March thirty one, correct, Yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: March thirty one. She goes missing, last seen that morning,
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Speaker 1: eight fifteen, last heard from that morning at eight fifteen,
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Speaker 1: joining me right now, is investigative reporter out of Minnesota CBS,
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Speaker 1: wccot V, John Lords and John thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us, Thank you for having me. Oh yes, tell
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Speaker 1: me about the area. Is this rural suburban Well, Winona
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Speaker 1: is home to Winona State. It's a decent sized town
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Speaker 1: as far as Minnesota goes. This is in the southeastern
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Speaker 1: portion of the state. Now, wait a minute, where is
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Speaker 1: that as it relates to the Tri Cities, example in
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Speaker 1: Minneapolis Saint Paul. This is a couple hours about two
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Speaker 1: and a half hours southeast of Minneapolis Saint Paul. Okay,
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Speaker 1: right across the border from Wisconsin. As we're Winona's we're located.
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Speaker 1: So you had a lot of searchers and volunteers coming
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Speaker 1: from western Wisconsin as well to help look for Madeline
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Speaker 1: as part of Winona and Wisconsin. It is not, No,
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Speaker 1: it's right across the border. Literally right across the border.
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Speaker 1: Got it? Okay, go ahead. Yeah. The terrain you're asking
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Speaker 1: about is really mixed and it's a beautiful part of
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Speaker 1: the state. Really, there's bluff country down there. I don't
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Speaker 1: like that. I don't like anything you just said. You
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Speaker 1: know why, when I hear the words John Lortson beautiful terrain.
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Speaker 1: You know that translates to me hard to find denstly
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Speaker 1: wooded forests, mountainous on dirt roads, very low traverse areas.
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Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying about beautiful because that's really
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Speaker 1: hard to find somebody and some person is Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: it's kind of an eclectic blend of terrain. Because we
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Speaker 1: on Friday when we were there, and on Saturday as well,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of farm fields that they were walking
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Speaker 1: through as well. And you know there are teams of
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Speaker 1: twelve a dozen or so volunteers that were showing up
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Speaker 1: from all over the area, very coordinated on Friday and
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Speaker 1: then again on Saturday walking through farm fields. But yes,
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Speaker 1: the chief from Monona Police did talk about that. He
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Speaker 1: said that the terrain is a mix and definitely, as
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Speaker 1: you mentioned Nancy, the Bluff area, he talked about that
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Speaker 1: being a challenge. The hills, Yeah, the steep terrain in
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Speaker 1: some cases, and he did highlight that is a challenge.
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Speaker 1: John Morrison w CCA joining us, thank you again for
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Speaker 1: making time for us post the population isn't it under
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Speaker 1: fifty thousand? Yeah? I believe it is, and where a
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Speaker 1: lot of this search has been courted in that there's
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Speaker 1: a couple of little towns involved. Good View, Minnesota's right
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Speaker 1: next to Adona. That was a headquarters last week as well.
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Speaker 1: They last week for a lot of volunteers to show up.
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Speaker 1: There's a little town called Rushford, which isn't too far away.
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Speaker 1: I believe it's about twenty miles west where they were
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Speaker 1: also searching. I had a coordinated search there as well.
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Speaker 1: And I want to say last week and you were
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Speaker 1: it was nearly three thousand people that showed up to help.
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Speaker 1: That was Eastern weekend. I've covered a few of these
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Speaker 1: sadly over the years, but this is one of the
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Speaker 1: larger coordinated efforts in talking with people that didn't know
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Speaker 1: Madeline but still coming out because they're a parent, or
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Speaker 1: they knew somebody who knew her, or they were a
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Speaker 1: friend of hers, whatever it might be. You have people
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Speaker 1: from all over, as I mentioned, western Wisconsin, southeastern Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: It felt like they were bustload upon busload that Friday
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Speaker 1: morning and then again in the afternoon, and then again
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Speaker 1: on Saturday. So it was impressive to see that Tasey
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Speaker 1: Hamil joining US Public Relationship direct right, north Star International
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Speaker 1: Search and Recovery Tracy, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I know that that strikes fear in your heart when
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Speaker 1: you hear about this terrain and a low population. Now
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Speaker 1: low population in one way means that it reduces the
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Speaker 1: number of potential suspects, if any involved and Madeline's disappearance,
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Speaker 1: but that terrain, if she went for a hike, if
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Speaker 1: she went for a walk, that's going to be very
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Speaker 1: difficult to find her. What would you be doing right now,
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Speaker 1: Tracy Campbell, Well, I saw the fields that they were searching,
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Speaker 1: and aligned search depending on the terrain you know we have.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what their resources are. First of all,
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Speaker 1: tell everybody what is a line search that you just said,
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Speaker 1: how they're walking straight in a line. So typically, first
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Speaker 1: of all, they had three thousand people respond volunteers. That
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Speaker 1: can be a that's wonderful, but it also can be
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Speaker 1: very stressful because a search and recovery team they've got experience,
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Speaker 1: they've been through classes, they know what to look for clues.
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Speaker 1: You don't always know what a civilian will. So typically
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Speaker 1: you would take a team leader, somebody that's from the
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Speaker 1: search team, and maybe pare them up with twelve or
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Speaker 1: so civilian searchers and that would be your line that way,
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Speaker 1: if they had any questions, if they saw something but
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Speaker 1: they weren't sure whether it was relevant, they could ask
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Speaker 1: somebody on a search and rescue team exactly. And you know,
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Speaker 1: Megan Kingsbury joining us as Megan Kingsbury made and sister.
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Speaker 1: When you what goes through your mind when you're hearing
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Speaker 1: us talking about searching this Terryan? You know, I've I've
21:53
Speaker 1: been out searching myself in some more kind of remote
21:56
Speaker 1: areas wildlife preserves things like that. I you know, I've
22:03
Speaker 1: I've been down to visit I've seen the difficulty in
22:05
Speaker 1: the terrain and just I kind of look around and
22:08
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, she could be anywhere, and it's it's
22:11
Speaker 1: hard to know where to start. Um, and a lot
22:13
Speaker 1: of people just aren't able to search that terrain effectively.
22:17
Speaker 1: So UM, it definitely worries me every day. Would you
22:21
Speaker 1: go to bed at night, what are your thoughts about
22:23
Speaker 1: where's your sister? Just last night I was outside and
22:28
Speaker 1: I looked up at the sky and I'm just wondering
22:32
Speaker 1: if she out there somewhere under the same sky, Like,
22:35
Speaker 1: where where could she be? Um, It's a million things
22:42
Speaker 1: run through my mind every night and um, you know
22:44
Speaker 1: you want to hold on to a chance of hope
22:47
Speaker 1: that you know she's found. Okay, Um, it's difficult the
22:50
Speaker 1: longer that Um, that this goes on to John Lords
22:53
Speaker 1: joining us CBS Minnesota, WCCO. Was there any history of
22:58
Speaker 1: just quote taking him break or needing time to herself,
23:02
Speaker 1: anything like that, because I haven't found it. No, not
23:05
Speaker 1: that we're aware of. I'm sure Megan and the family
23:08
Speaker 1: would be able to speak to that. Megan, Is there
23:10
Speaker 1: any such history? There is? Yeah, I mean Kathleen Murphy
23:13
Speaker 1: joining me right now, courtroom veteran out of North Carolina
23:19
Speaker 1: family lawyer. She's at NC Domestic Law dot com. Kathleen Murphy.
23:22
Speaker 1: It would be a cold day in hubl that I
23:25
Speaker 1: took time for myself and left my children. That's not happening.
23:29
Speaker 1: That's not happening, Nancy. And no, that's not happening. This
23:33
Speaker 1: mom didn't go away for the weekend, didn't need me time.
23:38
Speaker 1: There was no like spa time and those mud baths
23:41
Speaker 1: and massages and hot stones on your back and all
23:44
Speaker 1: that that. No, she worked and she took care of
23:47
Speaker 1: her children. That was her life and so that makes
23:50
Speaker 1: should make it easiest for her us to find her.
23:53
Speaker 1: That's your babies. You're going to be in those hotspots.
23:55
Speaker 1: You're gonna be at the daycare. You're going to be
23:57
Speaker 1: at the grocery store. You're going to be at the house.
24:00
Speaker 1: They're going to nap. You're going to be in the
24:02
Speaker 1: same places over and over again. As a mother of four,
24:07
Speaker 1: you're a mother of twins. You know the routine. Her
24:10
Speaker 1: family knows the routine. It's not rocket science. At this point, guys,
24:15
Speaker 1: you're hearing the voice of Kathleen Murphy, who has worked
24:19
Speaker 1: with us on many, many missing persons cases. But guys,
24:23
Speaker 1: I want you to hear more of what we know
24:26
Speaker 1: about Madeline. Listen. There was some concern the evening of
24:30
Speaker 1: Freddie March thirty. First, my mom actually sent me a
24:36
Speaker 1: message asking if I had heard from my sister that day,
24:42
Speaker 1: because my mom had sent some messages that had no response.
24:47
Speaker 1: And when she said that, I was kind of like, oh, yes,
24:51
Speaker 1: I guess you're right. She was supposed to come visit
24:54
Speaker 1: my house the next morning with her daughter, and typically,
24:58
Speaker 1: you know, we would have discussed those plans, and since
25:01
Speaker 1: it was coming up, so it was that evening when
25:04
Speaker 1: we started kind of connecting with her friends and seeing
25:06
Speaker 1: if anyone had heard from her. Megan Kingsbury is Madeline's sister,
25:10
Speaker 1: joining us shedding light into the search for her sister. Megan,
25:14
Speaker 1: how far away from Madeline do you live? I live
25:17
Speaker 1: in the Minneapolis area, so it's about two hours from
25:19
Speaker 1: her home in Lenona. So to plan a trip, this
25:23
Speaker 1: is a lot. She's just going around the corner. This
25:25
Speaker 1: is something she'd have to get the children ready in
25:28
Speaker 1: the car, snacks, all that, and then drive two hours
25:32
Speaker 1: to see you and your family. Correct, right, So that
25:35
Speaker 1: was a plan. Interesting and no history at all of
25:39
Speaker 1: just leaving to go for a girls' weekend or time alone.
25:43
Speaker 1: Nothing like that, right right. I mean if she needed
25:46
Speaker 1: a break, she'd come to my house, but she'd still
25:48
Speaker 1: bring the kids and you know, we'd kind of tag
25:51
Speaker 1: team and watch them. But no, she never would would
25:53
Speaker 1: leave them. So that evening your mother notices she hasn't
25:58
Speaker 1: heard from your sister. And back to Kathleen Murphy joining
26:02
Speaker 1: us high profile a lawyer Oate of North Carolina. Kathleen,
26:06
Speaker 1: that's routine evidence, and I don't mean standard typical pum
26:10
Speaker 1: drum routine. I mean evidence of someone's routine and I'm
26:14
Speaker 1: stressing that again for the third time because it's very important.
26:18
Speaker 1: By that evening, when sister and mother have not heard
26:21
Speaker 1: from her, they know something's up. Much less she didn't
26:25
Speaker 1: go to worried that day and she didn't pick the
26:27
Speaker 1: children up, and creating those timelines are going to be
26:29
Speaker 1: so important to investigators, Nancy. The timeline from that family
26:35
Speaker 1: is going to be key in placing the location of
26:39
Speaker 1: Maddie and anybody else that could be associated with her disappearance.
26:44
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? So, for example, if
26:46
Speaker 1: Maddie is going into work and that's her routine immediately
26:49
Speaker 1: after dropping the children off, why did she go home?
26:52
Speaker 1: Why did she go home? And why was it ten
26:54
Speaker 1: o'clock when her husband or the father of her children
26:57
Speaker 1: took that vehicle. Those are questions have to be answered.
27:01
Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct, and as a matter of fact, take
27:03
Speaker 1: a listen to our friend jackline Lee. According to police,
27:06
Speaker 1: Mattie was last seen at home last Friday at approximately
27:10
Speaker 1: eight fifteen in the morning after dropping her two children
27:13
Speaker 1: off with their father at daycare. The father told police
27:16
Speaker 1: he left Mattie's house at about ten am and her
27:19
Speaker 1: dark blue Chrysler minivan when he returned later that day,
27:23
Speaker 1: he says she was not home. A minivan resembling hers
27:27
Speaker 1: was seen that same morning driving along a nearby county
27:30
Speaker 1: road between ten thirty am and one thirty pm. Investigators
27:34
Speaker 1: have searched the minivan and Mattie's home. Inside the house,
27:38
Speaker 1: they found her phone and her wallet. I just was
27:42
Speaker 1: trying not to panic. Maddie's sister Megan last texted her
27:46
Speaker 1: that morning and everything seemed fine. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Okay,
28:09
Speaker 1: let's go straight back out to our investigative reporter John
28:11
Speaker 1: Lords and joining us WCCOTV there in Minnesota. Let me
28:15
Speaker 1: understand what I just heard from our friends at GMA,
28:18
Speaker 1: Jacqueline Leney. Now that morning a fifteen, that's when she's
28:21
Speaker 1: texting with her sister Megan. She and the bio dad
28:26
Speaker 1: dropped the children at daycare. He tells cops he left
28:29
Speaker 1: Mattie's house about ten a m. For some reason, in
28:33
Speaker 1: her minivan. Okay, let me understand that was where the
28:37
Speaker 1: decision was made that she not go to work, because
28:39
Speaker 1: that's when she would go to work. I understand between eight,
28:41
Speaker 1: you know, after she drops the children, but no, did
28:44
Speaker 1: he bring her back to the house. Is that what
28:47
Speaker 1: he's saying. That's who we understand through law enforcement, That's
28:49
Speaker 1: what he told them. Then he takes the Chrysler, and
28:52
Speaker 1: then when he comes back with that, I don't know
28:54
Speaker 1: what to fill it with. Gas. I'm not sure he
28:55
Speaker 1: gets back at ten am and she's not there. Is
28:58
Speaker 1: that correct? He claimed she laughed and came back. I
29:01
Speaker 1: believe in the afternoon and she was not there. No.
29:04
Speaker 1: Law enforcement is telling us there's no evidence she was
29:06
Speaker 1: picked up by anybody else, or that she might have
29:09
Speaker 1: just left the home and walked somewhere. That's according to
29:12
Speaker 1: the Winona Police chief. Well, is that the terrain making Kingsbury.
29:16
Speaker 1: Would she just leave and walk somewhere? No, I mean
29:20
Speaker 1: where her house is kind of situated. She's not really
29:22
Speaker 1: within walking distance of, you know, like a target or anything.
29:26
Speaker 1: Did she walk, jog or bike anything like that? You know,
29:29
Speaker 1: she used to jog. I think it's been a while,
29:32
Speaker 1: but she did used to jog in the past, but
29:35
Speaker 1: not recently. No, I don't believe so. So I'm just
29:37
Speaker 1: trying to figure out. We were covering the case of
29:39
Speaker 1: Eliza fletch Or, a Memphis mom who was at like
29:41
Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning jogging. That was her routine,
29:44
Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of terraines like you go
29:46
Speaker 1: out on the street, it's like I seventy five. You
29:49
Speaker 1: can't walk or jog or bike there. Or it could
29:51
Speaker 1: be a country road like Molly Tibbots where she would
29:54
Speaker 1: run every day. So is the terraine near her? Did
29:58
Speaker 1: she have a home apartment condo? What? Um? They lived
30:01
Speaker 1: in a town home. It was kind of one of
30:03
Speaker 1: those divided in half one So they had a connected
30:06
Speaker 1: neighbor okay, and the biodas living in the home. Correct, Yeah, okay,
30:11
Speaker 1: So he leaves with the car. Yeah, you're right, You're right, lordson,
30:17
Speaker 1: I had that ten thirty am in my head that
30:19
Speaker 1: he came back. But her vehicle was side between ten
30:23
Speaker 1: thirty and one thirty PM. That's where I'm getting ten
30:26
Speaker 1: thirty Is that correct? That is correct? Yes, who sided
30:29
Speaker 1: her vehicle? That was spotted around town? I believe there
30:32
Speaker 1: is more than one witness to that. And now what
30:34
Speaker 1: law enforcement was trying to get people to do. And
30:37
Speaker 1: we've been down there is half people check which it's
30:40
Speaker 1: called the Highway of forty three corridor. That's where that
30:43
Speaker 1: van has been spotted or was spotted around that time.
30:45
Speaker 1: Are you trying it's a dark well mini van chryst
30:48
Speaker 1: or what is it? A Chrystler PACIFICA town and country
30:50
Speaker 1: all right, town and catchy. Multiple sightings of her van
30:53
Speaker 1: around town, But did anybody say who was driving it?
30:56
Speaker 1: Not that we have been told yet. And what they're
30:59
Speaker 1: asking people to do is, you know, we've talked about
31:02
Speaker 1: the terrain quite a bit and just that area it
31:04
Speaker 1: can get rural pretty quick. So they're asking people to
31:07
Speaker 1: look at their doorbell cameras, see if they can see
31:10
Speaker 1: who is driving, see if the van went by their home.
31:13
Speaker 1: Trail cameras. There's a lot of you know what it
31:15
Speaker 1: areas as we talked about out there, people have trail
31:18
Speaker 1: cameras set up. Did your trail camera catch this van
31:21
Speaker 1: on a roadway when you're kind of having it going
31:24
Speaker 1: down a path looking for wildlife? Was there a road
31:26
Speaker 1: behind there where you saw the van going through? What
31:29
Speaker 1: time was it? Can you see who was driving? What
31:32
Speaker 1: about cameras in town? You said Highway forty three corridor
31:37
Speaker 1: and when you said around town what town Banana? Yeah,
31:41
Speaker 1: it's correct, aren't there red light cams and business cams?
31:46
Speaker 1: Business cameras surveillance camera, security cameras, whatever you got, laud
31:50
Speaker 1: worsemen that wants to know about it? Well, aren't they
31:52
Speaker 1: getting it? Aren't they confiscating it from from businesses and
31:57
Speaker 1: red lights before? Does nobody remember Chandra Levy? Yeah, and
32:01
Speaker 1: her apartment complex before she went out and was attacked
32:05
Speaker 1: and murdered. Every seventy two hours they roll over the
32:08
Speaker 1: table that starts over. You got to get it immediately
32:10
Speaker 1: before it starts rolling over. And they might have cimlarity,
32:13
Speaker 1: they just have not disclosed. I think Megan talked about
32:15
Speaker 1: that earlier. You know, the investigation they're being they're keeping
32:18
Speaker 1: it very close to their bast but yeah, they're definitely
32:20
Speaker 1: asking for anybody else that had maybe something out there
32:23
Speaker 1: that wasn't so obvious. The businesses are one thing, and
32:27
Speaker 1: the homes near there's another. But in some of these
32:31
Speaker 1: rural areas around that line and around that vicinity, if
32:37
Speaker 1: they had a trail camera, if they had a doorbell camera,
32:40
Speaker 1: if they had a security camera, did you see this
32:42
Speaker 1: fand go buying? Can you tell who was driving? And
32:45
Speaker 1: they want that, John Lawson, you're telling me people in
32:48
Speaker 1: the town of Winona think they saw not just a
32:54
Speaker 1: blue town and country, her blue town and Country? Is
32:58
Speaker 1: that what they think that? Well, that's the law enforcement
33:01
Speaker 1: has told us they believe that van. More than one
33:04
Speaker 1: person saw that van driving in that timeframe. We talked
33:07
Speaker 1: about what was distinct about her van? Mega, What if
33:10
Speaker 1: anything is distinct? John, anybody jump in and tell me. Well,
33:13
Speaker 1: and the fact that it was a talented Country Chrysler
33:16
Speaker 1: van and I honestly, Nancy, I don't know how popular
33:19
Speaker 1: those are in Wenona, Minnesota. But that's in that time
33:22
Speaker 1: frame that van was spotted. And that's an excellent question.
33:27
Speaker 1: Is that van? Do we know if that was hers?
33:29
Speaker 1: For sure? I'm guessing what law enforcement says it is? Mega, Caysbury.
33:33
Speaker 1: What about it? What about her van? You know? Um
33:36
Speaker 1: they have the law enforcement has some footage from a
33:40
Speaker 1: gas station in Rushford in Minnesota. I believe it was
33:43
Speaker 1: a quick trip of the van coming and going. Um,
33:48
Speaker 1: so I know for sure they've they've seen it in Rushford.
33:52
Speaker 1: Other than that, I haven't heard if there's been any
33:56
Speaker 1: other footage. I know they're looking at semi trucks, those
33:59
Speaker 1: have cameras kind of all around. Um, They're they're really
34:02
Speaker 1: trying any avenue to see if they could get footage.
34:05
Speaker 1: Where's Rushford as it relates to Anonay, and what time
34:12
Speaker 1: of the day was her van spotted in Rushford? I
34:16
Speaker 1: want to say probably between like ten thirty and eleven ish. Yeah,
34:21
Speaker 1: I believe. I believe you're right on that make I
34:22
Speaker 1: think it was in the morning, still before the Duna
34:25
Speaker 1: hour that that was spotted. But what time does Biodet
34:28
Speaker 1: say he brought the car back? Um? I believe that
34:32
Speaker 1: he said he returned home around one pm, so that
34:38
Speaker 1: could have been him driving around. That doesn't really help us,
34:40
Speaker 1: doesn't Yeah, Okay, where where is the vehicle right now?
34:44
Speaker 1: John Lawrenson? Law enforcement has searched that vehicle. I do
34:47
Speaker 1: not know if they gave that back to the family.
34:50
Speaker 1: Do you know, Megan, Um, I believe law enforcement still
34:52
Speaker 1: has the vehicle. Still has the vehicle? Okay? To Julie
34:56
Speaker 1: Yh joining us a crime scene investigat and instructor, Julie,
35:03
Speaker 1: what do you make of this regarding them still having
35:08
Speaker 1: the vehicle? I would they still had the vehicle in
35:11
Speaker 1: their presenttion because that is one of the key pieces
35:13
Speaker 1: of evidence. I would say right now to Tracy Campbell
35:16
Speaker 1: joining us with Northstar International Search, and recovery. I believe
35:20
Speaker 1: that the vehicle, especially a lot of the fact that
35:24
Speaker 1: law enforcement is still holding onto it, must have some
35:27
Speaker 1: sort of forensic evidence in it. I agree. Okay, Kathleen Murphy,
35:31
Speaker 1: what do we do now? I think we take an
35:33
Speaker 1: inventory of what's in there. I also, Nancy, have a
35:36
Speaker 1: question about whether or not a search warrant has been
35:38
Speaker 1: effectuated for the home that they were living in. And
35:43
Speaker 1: another question that we have is whether or not Madeline
35:48
Speaker 1: was looking for another place to live. I saw on
35:51
Speaker 1: her Facebook page that she had posted that she was
35:54
Speaker 1: looking for a new place to live in April or
35:56
Speaker 1: May twommate in Kingsbury. Your sister posted that. Is that correct,
36:00
Speaker 1: that she was looking for a new place to live. Yes,
36:03
Speaker 1: that's correct. Why her and the father of the children
36:07
Speaker 1: were not continuing their relationships, they were splitting. Yes, so
36:13
Speaker 1: she was looking for a new place close to where
36:17
Speaker 1: she already lived, close to the daycare, close to the preschool.
36:20
Speaker 1: I know she was looking over in good View, which
36:22
Speaker 1: is the next count over. So so yeah, she was
36:26
Speaker 1: looking for a new place. Guys. The family of Madane
36:30
Speaker 1: Kingsbury has now issued a fifty thousand dollar reward fifty
36:37
Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward. Tipline five zero, seven four or five
36:41
Speaker 1: seven six, two eight eight repeat five zero seven, four,
36:45
Speaker 1: five seven six two eight eight. Please help us find Madeline.
36:51
Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,