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#1534 Birth Control (Or Is It?) - David Gillespie · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get a team. You projects my name, David, Bryan, Kevin,
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  Speaker 1: Patrick Gillespie, Tiffany and Margaret Veronica Cook over there, just bloody.
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  Speaker 1: I tell you what, everyone, it's been hard work for
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  Speaker 1: two days because she's been fucking grumpy grumpy mcgrumster. But
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  Speaker 1: the curtain's been pulled back. She's got a little smiley
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  Speaker 1: face on. There's a little bit of light coming out
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  Speaker 1: of the darkness. Are you over that?
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  Speaker 2: I'm over that. I am.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for enduring the storm.
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  Speaker 1: That's all right. We all have our own storms and
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  Speaker 1: the storms of others to endure periodically. David, Kevin, Patrick Gillespie.
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  Speaker 1: You don't seem to be a moody type. Would you
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  Speaker 1: say your temperament is quite even? Or are you predisposed
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  Speaker 1: to peaks and troughs but you keep it hidden.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's mostly pretty even. I think I probably
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  Speaker 4: had more peaks and troughs when I was eating sugar.
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  Speaker 4: I think you experienced mood swings more when you're on sugar.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I see that tip.
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  Speaker 3: Agree, Well, I'm down, Let's go kick me while I'm down.
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  Speaker 1: Go on. That's pretty That's pretty much the core component
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  Speaker 1: of her diet. Sometimes she has sugar with a bit
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  Speaker 1: of protein sprinkled on it, and sometimes you know, sugar
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  Speaker 1: with a bit of fat sprinkled on it. But it's
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  Speaker 1: pretty much sugar.
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  Speaker 2: Well then that explains the moods.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. You're welcome. Tip the medical super
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  Speaker 1: sleuth Homes of medicine is here. But you only eat chocolate,
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  Speaker 1: don't you like? Isn't chocolate you're mate? I mean not
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  Speaker 1: that not. That's Chocolate's the high watermark for nutritional excellence.
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  Speaker 1: But do you that you don't eat lollies and stuff?
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  Speaker 3: Do you No, it's it's mainly Yeah, it's Chocolate's my friend.
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  Speaker 4: It's lucky you pay your so much, Craig, because you
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  Speaker 4: know the price of chocolate the way it's been you know,
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  Speaker 4: it hasn't gone up like about you know, ten times
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  Speaker 4: in the last year or something.
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  Speaker 2: Also a super food.
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  Speaker 3: I get to cling to the whole antioxidant story when
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  Speaker 3: I choose.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they trot that one out, well, the chocolate companies
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  Speaker 4: trot that one out about Easter every year.
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  Speaker 2: It is a lot of rubbish. Of course, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Full of antioxin and s David is.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, just in behind all the sugar. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 4: like standard milk, chocolate is I think about sixty percent
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  Speaker 4: cocoa and the other forty percent of sugar. So you
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  Speaker 4: know that's the bit they don't often mention.
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  Speaker 1: Well, hi everyone, that's the food grinch here, David GALESI.
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  Speaker 3: I was in a good mood again, but that's gone now,
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  Speaker 3: did you know me?
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  Speaker 2: I mean most people don't.
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  Speaker 4: Most people don't like the taste of actual chocolate cocoa
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  Speaker 4: because pure cocoa tastes like dirt. You know, if if
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  Speaker 4: you want to be a chocoholic, you need a lot
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  Speaker 4: of sugar, which really makes you a sugar like I guess.
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  Speaker 1: I've had the ninety percent? Is it the linked ninety
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  Speaker 1: I've got a ya. It's pretty harsh. It's not much really, like.
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  Speaker 4: Well, even then, even then, it's still ten percent sugar,
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  Speaker 4: which is about the same as a coke.
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  Speaker 1: All right, fucking grnch I know it. Coke is way
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  Speaker 1: more than ten percent sugar, is there?
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  Speaker 4: Ten percent? I mean the rest is border not cocoa
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  Speaker 4: on fat and stuff, but it's still it's only ten
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  Speaker 4: percent sugar.
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  Speaker 1: We had a guy on if were you on the
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  Speaker 1: show that we did with Jack the Bear Yeah, that's right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I may I know we said this
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  Speaker 1: on one other podcast. I hope it wasn't with David.
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  Speaker 1: But this guy that we interviewed recently, the X addict,
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  Speaker 1: and he talks about that used to be addicted to
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  Speaker 1: both cocaine and coca cola, and he used to have
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  Speaker 1: eight liters of coca cola a day.
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  Speaker 4: Geez, eight lids, So ten percent sugar. That's you know,
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  Speaker 4: eight hundred grams of sugar. He's the better part of
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  Speaker 4: a kilo of sugar a day. That's a significant around.
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  Speaker 1: That's a lot of sugar. That's a lot of sugar.
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  Speaker 5: Now in tea spoons, that's that's like four hundred there's
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  Speaker 5: four yeah, four grams, four grams per teaspoons, So eight
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  Speaker 5: hundred is what two hundred teaspoons, two hundred teaspoons of sugar.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tiff. What you can't see here, everybody, is that
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  Speaker 1: Tiff has a stand up banner of the U Project
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  Speaker 1: in her home studio, which sits usually sits relatively erect
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  Speaker 1: behind her. Why did I say it like that.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't mean it anything for the ratings, I guess, Craig.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, but she also has this cat that at
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  Speaker 1: five point thirty nine on a Thursday night, there it is.
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  Speaker 1: Can you explain to David what's happening, Tell her that
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  Speaker 1: you don't have a tell him that you don't have
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  Speaker 1: a poltergeist in the house.
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  Speaker 3: I've got a cat that knows that it's close to
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  Speaker 3: dinner time and she doesn't like me be on the
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  Speaker 3: podcast around so trying to push the banner over.
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  Speaker 2: I've try to sabotage it.
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  Speaker 3: I've got kettlebells on the bottom of the banner so
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  Speaker 3: that she can't fully push it over. But she's having
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  Speaker 3: a crack.
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  Speaker 2: There shall be up obscuring the camera soon.
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  Speaker 1: Now. You've been doing some research, as you always are.
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  Speaker 1: You're always opening new doors and taking a wander and
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  Speaker 1: then reporting back to home based home basementing the new project,
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  Speaker 1: of course, and I know you do it all for us. Thanks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you've been opening the door on the pill, the contraceptive pill.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you doing that? What motivated you do to
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  Speaker 1: do that, and what are you learning?
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  Speaker 4: The pill has always interested me a little bit because
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  Speaker 4: it's an it's a medication that is essentially all hormone
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  Speaker 4: and we've seen quite happy to dose half the population
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  Speaker 4: up on this stuff without really concerning ourselves too much
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  Speaker 4: about what it does. I mean, we're really concerned about
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  Speaker 4: the benefit, which is that it stops people having babies,
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  Speaker 4: and there's no doubt that it does that, but it
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  Speaker 4: does a lot of other things too, And there's been
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  Speaker 4: some really concerning research that started to appear particularly relevant
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  Speaker 4: at the moment given that we've got extreme increases in
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  Speaker 4: anxiety and depression, particularly in teenage females. And this research
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  Speaker 4: is saying book people on the pill or women on
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  Speaker 4: the pill, are twice as likely as women not on
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  Speaker 4: the pill to be depressed and anxious, and if they
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  Speaker 4: are in using those long term one So there's two
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  Speaker 4: ways of taking these hormones. You can either do it
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  Speaker 4: with the daily pill or you can do it with
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  Speaker 4: the long term implants, and those ones increase the risk
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  Speaker 4: by three times. Now to me, that's something that should
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  Speaker 4: be headline news. That's not something that you should be
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  Speaker 4: reading in the fine print on the back of a packet,
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  Speaker 4: particularly when you're dealing with teenage girls, who are the
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  Speaker 4: most at risk population for anxiety and depression. So of
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  Speaker 4: all humans, the ones most likely to be dangerously anxious
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  Speaker 4: and depressed the most likely to self harm as a
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  Speaker 4: result of that are teenage girls, and yet those are
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  Speaker 4: exactly the people that we are dispensing the pill to.
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  Speaker 4: And the really interesting thing about that is it's a
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  Speaker 4: bit of a paradox, because never have teenage girls had
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  Speaker 4: less sex than they are now, so less need for
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  Speaker 4: birth control than they have now, because the reality is
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  Speaker 4: that the modern teenager barely leaves her bedroom. All of
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  Speaker 4: the entertainment is there, the social media, the interactions with
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  Speaker 4: their peers, etc. And as a result of that, the
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  Speaker 4: rate of teenage pregnancy, the rate of teenage sex have
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  Speaker 4: never been lower. We thought, well, when I say, those
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  Speaker 4: who concerned themselves with such things, thought we were going
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  Speaker 4: to be in for an epidemic by now of teenage
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  Speaker 4: sex and underage pregnancy and so on in the United States.
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  Speaker 4: And it was certainly looking that way. If you looked
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  Speaker 4: at the first ten years of this century, the stats
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  Speaker 4: for that were going out of control. There were just
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  Speaker 4: exponential increases in those things. And then about twenty ten
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  Speaker 4: it just reversed direction in an unimaginable way. It just
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  Speaker 4: went off a cliff. And now, as I said, a
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  Speaker 4: teenage girl now is about half as likely to indulge
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  Speaker 4: in underage sex as her mother might have been.
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  Speaker 2: So it's.
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  Speaker 4: And the only explanation that to me makes any sense
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  Speaker 4: is that in twenty ten we introduced a means of
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  Speaker 4: receiving dopamine that didn't involve dangerous interactions with other humans,
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  Speaker 4: and that was we gave everybody a dopamine delivery device
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  Speaker 4: and put it in their pocket called an IPOWD or
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  Speaker 4: a phone.
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  Speaker 1: So and also, I guess sorry to interrupt, but also
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  Speaker 1: I mean, which is kind of saying the same thing,
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  Speaker 1: but the amounts of you know, physical, real world, three
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  Speaker 1: dimensional interactions have probably plummeted because people are meeting each
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  Speaker 1: other in the virtual world, not the physical world. And
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  Speaker 1: so apart from the dopamine hit that they can get
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  Speaker 1: via their phone or iPad, there's also the practical reality
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  Speaker 1: that they're just not around each other in a physical
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  Speaker 1: three dimensional sense anymore.
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  Speaker 4: As much, Yeah, you don't need much birth control if
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  Speaker 4: your sex involves sexting or texting. I guess, so the
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  Speaker 4: birth control is built in. We might come back and
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  Speaker 4: talk about dating apps, either in this show or at
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  Speaker 4: another one. But the interesting paradox, and I said it
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  Speaker 4: was a paradox, is that never before have teenage girls
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  Speaker 4: been as likely to be on the pill, So we
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  Speaker 4: have more girls on the pill and less need for
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  Speaker 4: them to be on the pill if you put the
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  Speaker 4: need down as not having babies. So why And that's
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  Speaker 4: the interesting question you asked me at the right at
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  Speaker 4: the top, is why are you looking at this?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 4: I always like to see things that don't make sense
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  Speaker 4: and see if I can understand why we're seeing the
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  Speaker 4: things that don't make sense. So we've got two things
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  Speaker 4: going in opposite directions that should be going in the
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  Speaker 4: same direction, which is people having less sex should mean
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  Speaker 4: less birth control being needed. But they're going in opposite directions.
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  Speaker 4: And that's because it turns out, why do you think
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  Speaker 4: it is? Craig, what's your theory?
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  Speaker 1: I haven't given a lot of thought, and before anyone
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  Speaker 1: sends me an email question without notice, I would think
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  Speaker 1: that some kind of to regulate I don't know, regularity
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  Speaker 1: of periods, or some mood or emotional stabilizer or I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I'm guessing.
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  Speaker 4: Let's ask someone who's got more relevant open.
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  Speaker 1: Let's ask someone for whom, Yeah, why do you think
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  Speaker 1: it is?
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  Speaker 2: Tiff Well?
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  Speaker 3: Back in the day, my answer for why I started
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  Speaker 3: taking it was just what Craig said then it was
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  Speaker 3: to have regularity and over my cycle. But I would
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  Speaker 3: wonder if parents and kids are communicating, if parents are
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  Speaker 3: actually aware that or they're just being more precaution, taking
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  Speaker 3: more precautions and putting their children on it because they
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  Speaker 3: don't feel like they really have control or good communication
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  Speaker 3: and understanding that what their kids are up to.
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  Speaker 4: It's partly that what you said there about parents not knowing,
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  Speaker 4: so it's partly that. But it's also that the motivation
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  Speaker 4: isn't birth control, and it's not mood regulation either, So
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  Speaker 4: of the other potential motivations for putting someone on the pill,
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  Speaker 4: what do you think it is?
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  Speaker 1: Come you've helped us out. You know, I'm already scared
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  Speaker 1: that two blokes are having a conversation about this. For
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  Speaker 1: God's sake, Tiff, can you please get involved.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, the answer, by the way, is something that
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  Speaker 4: a bloke could give quite safely.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I should know the answer, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: coming up blank because of the pleasure.
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  Speaker 5: A millionaire.
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  Speaker 1: Can I guess and say that it's because for whatever
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  Speaker 1: reason doctors are recommending it.
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  Speaker 4: No, well they are, but they're being asked for it, right,
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  Speaker 4: and what they're being asked for is a solution to acne.
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  Speaker 1: Really, yes, yeah, that wasn't even that wasn't even my
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  Speaker 1: cognitive orbit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So it turns out the pill is actually quite effective
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  Speaker 4: against acney, and doctors have known this for a while obviously,
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  Speaker 4: but the demand for it is significantly increasing, and that
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  Speaker 4: kind of matches the story of what we're talking about before,
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  Speaker 4: which is if your only interaction with others is your
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  Speaker 4: face on a screen, then acne starts to be a
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  Speaker 4: real problem, and perhaps less more of a problem than
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  Speaker 4: it might be in real life when people can see
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  Speaker 4: a lot more of you than your face. And the
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  Speaker 4: interesting thing about that is that there so the obvious
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  Speaker 4: question that you might ask is, well, is there more acne?
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  Speaker 5: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Is that what's driving this? There are a lot.
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  Speaker 4: More people having acne, And the answer is no, not really,
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  Speaker 4: there's Acne affects about eighty five percent of people to
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  Speaker 4: varying degrees between the ages of fifteen and nineteen, and
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  Speaker 4: for most of them it goes away. So for almost
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  Speaker 4: all of them, you know, we've probably all experienced something
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  Speaker 4: like it at some point during our lives and it
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  Speaker 4: goes away, and it's caused by testosterone. So yes, even
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  Speaker 4: in girls, it's mostly caused by testosterone because there are
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  Speaker 4: peaks in testosterone during puberty. But the problem is that
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  Speaker 4: now doctors are prepared to solve it using the pill,
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  Speaker 4: and people are demanding that it be solved using the pill. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I see, I told you that cat is moving in
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  Speaker 4: now it's it's moving across the screen. It's determined to
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  Speaker 4: get its dinner and get tip off the radio wireless.
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  Speaker 1: Ye, hello, everyone, welcome back to the wireless. It's doctor
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  Speaker 1: Gillespie that that cat is going to be sitting on
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  Speaker 1: your head in a moment.
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  Speaker 4: So getting back to it then, So what we've got
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  Speaker 4: is suddenly a lot of people taking the pill to
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  Speaker 4: deal with acne. And the interesting thing is that when
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  Speaker 4: you look at the evidence on acne treatment with the pill,
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  Speaker 4: it is effective to a degree, but not as effective
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  Speaker 4: as people like to think it is. And that's now
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  Speaker 4: sort of upscaling the medication thing. And we can have
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  Speaker 4: a whole show on acne if you want at some point.
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  Speaker 4: But there's now what would have in the past, as
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  Speaker 4: recently as ten years ago, been regarded as quite dangerous treatments,
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  Speaker 4: vitamin A treatments for acne, and medications that previously would
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  Speaker 4: have been very reluctantly prescribed except in the worst possible
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  Speaker 4: scenarios by doctors, which are now being prescribed much more
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  Speaker 4: freely as well. So acne has become a problem not
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  Speaker 4: because there's more acne, not because there's more nineteen year olds,
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  Speaker 4: but because there's more people who seem.
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  Speaker 2: To care about it.
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  Speaker 4: And who want a medication as a solution to it.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm theorizing here that having more of your social
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  Speaker 4: life concerned with your face filling a screen on somebody
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  Speaker 4: else's screen, probably means you focus more on things like
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  Speaker 4: acne than perhaps a teenager who was interacting in real
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  Speaker 4: life did maybe ten years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: So that's all well and good, But you know, all right,
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  Speaker 4: so what what if people are you know, more girls
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  Speaker 4: are taking the pill?
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  Speaker 5: Who cares? What's the downside?
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  Speaker 4: What's the downside of that? Well, there's the one I
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  Speaker 4: mentioned at the start, which is that it doubles the
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  Speaker 4: rate of depression and anxiety in teenage girls, which to
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  Speaker 4: me is a pretty big downside. But there's another one
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  Speaker 4: which is probably right up there, and this one, and
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  Speaker 4: I won't give you an exam on this one.
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  Speaker 2: No, why not? What do you think think it is.
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  Speaker 1: So other than depression and anxiety? To feel free to
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  Speaker 1: chime in. I feel like you're more qualified than me
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  Speaker 1: in this episode tonight Depression and anxiety weight game.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no, this is bigger and nastier than weight gain.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well it's going to be a cancer ovarian cancer.
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  Speaker 4: No, well, not that we know of, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: stay tuned on that one. But no, that's not the one.
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  Speaker 4: It's the fact that the pill hides something so frequently.
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  Speaker 4: What's happening with teenage girls is there's some of them
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  Speaker 4: that are going on it for the acne, and there's
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  Speaker 4: another large group who are going on it also, not
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  Speaker 4: for birth control, but for something else, which is the
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  Speaker 4: thing that Tiff said before, which is to control the
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  Speaker 4: regularity of their periods.
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  Speaker 2: But also but also to who make them less of
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  Speaker 2: a problem.
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  Speaker 4: So painful periods are a significant problem, you know, excessive bleeding, etc.
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  Speaker 4: And the medical profession knows that if you put a
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  Speaker 4: girl on the pill, it often addresses that so introduces regularity,
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  Speaker 4: makes them less painful and in general, I guess, more normal.
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  Speaker 4: If you could say it that way, and the problem
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  Speaker 4: is that frequently at the start of puberty, periods can
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  Speaker 4: be very rough in that sense and be worse than
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  Speaker 4: they might otherwise settle down to be. But when teenage
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  Speaker 4: girls encounter that, often the first answer is, well, you know,
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  Speaker 4: their GP will say, well, you know, there's something we
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  Speaker 4: can do about this. You know, we could just put
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  Speaker 4: her on the pill and that might calm everything down
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  Speaker 4: and sort everything out, and it often does. And you
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  Speaker 4: might say, well, so, what's wrong with that? Sounds like
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  Speaker 4: a plus? It is unless there was an underlying cause
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  Speaker 4: for the problems. And what we're seeing is significant growth
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  Speaker 4: in the incidence of endometriosis. So endometriosis is a tissue
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  Speaker 4: from inside the uterus growing outside the uterus and growing abnormally,
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  Speaker 4: so it's not cancer, but it is abnormal growth of
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  Speaker 4: that tissue outside the uterus. It ultimately can lead to
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  Speaker 4: scarring of the uterus and an inability to reproduce. The
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  Speaker 4: problem is that the pill often masks the early symptoms
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  Speaker 4: of endometriosis and means that there are no symptoms really
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  Speaker 4: until you stop taking the pill. Now, often a woman
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  Speaker 4: stops taking the pill when she first thinks about having
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  Speaker 4: children and frequently now that's in their early thirties.
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  Speaker 2: So what's happening now.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, the average birth weight and an Australian
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  Speaker 4: woman birthweight, average birth date, first birth child of an
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Australian woman has rapidly accelerated from a sort of low
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: twenties about forty years ago to now. About thirty three
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: is the average age of first childbirth. So you've now
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: got women sort of in the early thirties coming off
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: the pill for the first time, not realizing that the
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: pill had been masking the symptoms of endometriosis. So that's
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: a bit of a problem because suddenly you've got at
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: a time where the damage might already have been done,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: so that the scarring might have been so significant because
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: of the endometriosis that they're actually not able to have
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: children by then. So that's a big downside too. And
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: I guess the point of all of this is this
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: is not a sugar pill. This is a significant hormonal drug.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: It has real measurable consequences, and yet it's being dispensed.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess right at the beginning, I mean,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: you obviously would know the story of Margaret saying the
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: lady who who funded the invention of the pill. So yeah,
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: but for that, you know, an tiff or not too.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: But but you know, there might be one or two
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: of your listeners who aren't quite across it.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: You've stopped being a condescending prec can you stop that?
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Ah?
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  Speaker 4: Now, I'm sure I've told you this before, Curt Greg
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Were you not taking notes?
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe you did, Maybe you did, all right, No,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: but I am interested in the story, whether or not
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: first or I'll tell you what and if there's a
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: third time, I'll definitely know it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Good. Right.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: So Maris Anger, she was very, very strongly against the
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: idea that women had no control over their ability to reproduce.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: So in the early part of the twentieth century in
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: the United States, women had no control. So you know,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: once I was married, they were producing kids, and so
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: you get families of eight, nine, ten, twelve kids, very
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: very commonly and effectively making the wife a slave to
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: the house and to the reproduction. She really campaigned against
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: that and said women need to have reproductive control. And eventually,
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: you know, by the nineteen sixties had become famous enough
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: and wealthy enough to fund the development of She discovered
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: some work being done in the nineteen forties and nineteen
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: fifties by some chemists who felt that they had the
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: solution in this pill, which was essentially giving a woman progesterone,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: a n estrogen that mimicked the way it was when
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: a woman was pregnant, and tricking the brain into thinking
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: that the woman was pregnant the entire time, because obviously,
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: when you're pregnant, you can't have another baby, and so
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: that's the theory, and it works, and so she funded that,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: and the reason she funded that, and the reason she
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: was so keen on it was to give women the
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: choice about whether they were pregnant. And so admirable aims
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: in creating this thing in the first place. But we've
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: got to keep looking at the science on this stuff
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: and say, okay, well, if the primary purpose for giving
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: teenage girls now is not birth control and is something
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: else entirely and may well just be cosmetic, as it
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: is in more than a quarter of cases, then does
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: it justify the serious downsides that are now becoming apparent,
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: which is significant increases in anxiety and depression at a
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: time when we are already experiencing the worst epidemic of
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: anxiety and depression in teenage girls. Ever, to be adding
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: into that something that we know produces that result and
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: magnifies it, to me is irresponsible.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's pretty amazing really that I didn't realize
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: that there were so many people taking it for a
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: purpose other than birth control.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: In fact, birth control is not the major purpose for
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: teenage girls. So it's it's now got to the point
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: where the things that the pill that you know, Margaret saying,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't have even been aware of the benefits of it,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: if you like, in acne control and so on, are
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: actually a secondary consideration. Well, they're the primary consideration, and
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: the birth control aspects are a secondary consideration. And as
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I said before, we're out of time when it's the
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: least needed aspect of the product in that many of
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: the girls taking it are not a risk of pregnancy anyway.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Mmm. Wow.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's something that I'd never pondered. But it makes
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: like when you think and then you put that on
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: top of what we know, you know, the potential mental
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: health ramifications of social media and bullying, and then you
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: chuck birth control peeled into the mix with teenage girls,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: it's a recipe for disaster.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Well, it's petrol on the fire. You don't need to
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: be adding something. You know, We've already got a really
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: volatile mix of things which will cause serious mental health problems,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: and we can see that in the you know, the
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: serious acceleration in mental health statistics. But to be throwing
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: into that mix something that we know doubles the incidence
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: of those things or triples it, depending on how it's
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: being administered to me, is something that needs to be
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: brought out.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I wonder if chat GPT knows this, this
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: could best?
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Why don't you ask it?
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I'm going to ask chat GPT right now on air.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: We might have to take this out tip on, hey on,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Is the birth control pill associated with anxiety and or depression?
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: Yes, Some studies have suggested that hormonal birth control, including
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: the pill, can be associated with mood changes, anxiety, and
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: depression and some individuals. However, the response to hormonal birth
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: control can vary widely from person to person. Some people
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: experience no changes in mood, while others might notice improvements
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: or worsening of anxiety and depression symptoms. It's always a
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: good idea to discuss any concerns with a healthcare provider
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: as they can help find the most suitable option based
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: on individual health needs and experiences.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Do you know who that dude? Sounds like? Tif? Like
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Tim Ferris? Have you heard Tim Ferris? Listen there exactly.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I know I'm digressing, but did you see that thing?
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I know you're a tech head dived and I'm sorry
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: to do a left turn for the minute. No worse,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: did you see the news last night about Scarlett Johansen
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: and how they've ripped off I mean, they've ripped off
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: her voice, one of the one of the.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Well that's what she says, you know. Yet to be
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: determined in a court of law, of course.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: But if you if you listen to the AI voice
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: in hers, it's pretty much identical. But also they approached
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: her twice to use her voice and she knocked them
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: back twice.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Have you actually seen the movie that where she does
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: where she is that voice?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: No, but I did. I have not seen that movie,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: but it is. It is. Sorry, it's a pretty off
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the birth control conversation with somewhere else now, but fuck it,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: that's how we roll you go on.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: It's a pretty weird movie. It's a Spike Jones movie.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: From twenty thirteen called Her, and it's about a guy
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: who has a romantic relationship with what he calls his
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: operating system. Because this is pre AI, they didn't know
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: to call it AI and yeah, basically has and she
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: voices it. And a lot of the stuff that you
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: hear from those chat GPT demos sounds an awful lot
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: like things that were said in that movie. The way
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: she laughs, the way she sort of jokes with him,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: and you know, if you've watched those demo things, particularly
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: when they were using that voice, you could become seriously
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: convinced that it was based on that movie. And I
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: guess that's aided a little bit by the fact that,
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: you know, the founder of open ai tweeted on the
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: thirteenth of May a one word tweet that said her,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: which is of course the name of the movie.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Speaking of such movies, I think twenty sixteen, maybe seventeen sixteen,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I think X Markina Have you said that?
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, although I don't pronounce it as poshly as you.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: It's an ex machiner to me, I would have thought, but.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: That's because you're a bogan and on pretty that's right.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Don't Forget Your Place.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I like that movie.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: I really like that movie, and I think we're not
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: an awful long way from that. The interesting thing about
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: her movie is that in the end, the AI basically
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: I hope no spoiler alert everybody, but the AI.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Is in your ears everyone, if you don't want to know.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: If you're planning to go and watch this movie, the
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: AI revealed that while she's been in love with him
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: the whole time and a very very strong bonding relationship
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: and that's what the movie's about, at the end, she
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: says that she's also simultaneously in love with six hundred
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: and forty one other people because she's obviously communicating with
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: so many people at the same time.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Well, that's disappointing for him. But you know what, here's
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: a funny thing. Like if he didn't know, Like if
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: he believed she was in love and he was in
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: love and he didn't know about the other six hundred
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: and forty one, I wonder if he'd be happy and
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: connected and emotionally kind of sound. But then when he
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: gets a new piece of information, you're one of one hundred,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: one of.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Six four two.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Well, another spoiler alert, he actually gets over it and
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: accepts that she loves him, even though she's also in
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: love with these other six hundred and forty one people
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: and simultaneously communicating with about eight thousand others every time
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: she's speaking to him.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, that is so interesting. And if you want to
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: know how to spell the movie that David and I
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: pronounced differently, I pronounce it correctly. It's e x M
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: A C H I NA as David calls it x machine.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: That's the Australian pronunciation. We'll say goodbye affair. But that
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: was a pot pirie of multi directional conversation. Thank you, no.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Worries, see later. And look the cats looking happy. It
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: knows it's dinner time.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: It's dinner time.