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She Sent One (Imperfect) Cold Email… Now She Runs the Industry with Robin Arzón (Peloton) · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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Speaker 1: No one has all the answers, but when we ask
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Speaker 1: the right questions, we get a little closer, closer to truths,
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Speaker 1: closer to each other, even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist
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Speaker 1: Danielle Robe, and each week, my guests and I come
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Speaker 1: together to challenge the status quo and our own ways
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Speaker 1: of thinking by daring to ask what if, why not?
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Speaker 1: And who says so? Come curious, dig deep, and join
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Speaker 1: the conversation. It's time to question everything. There's this general
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Speaker 1: piece of fitness philosophy that says you should move your
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Speaker 1: body at least once a day, even if just for
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Speaker 1: a few minutes. That momentum can build. Movement eventually makes
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Speaker 1: us stronger, and sometimes it becomes the thing that completely
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Speaker 1: re routes the direction of our lives. Today's guest built
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Speaker 1: a career and a movement around that IDEA peloton instructor,
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Speaker 1: ultra marathon runner, best selling author, and vice president of
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Speaker 1: fitness Programming, Robin Arzon has spent years motivating millions of
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Speaker 1: people to move their bodies. But before she became one
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Speaker 1: of the most recognizable faces in wellness, Robin was a
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Speaker 1: corporate lawyer at one of New York's top law firms.
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Speaker 1: She was living a life that looked successful on paper,
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Speaker 1: but it didn't feel aligned internally, and after falling in
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Speaker 1: love with fitness, Robin refocused and entered her messy middle.
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Speaker 2: In that too year process, let's started as a blank
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Speaker 2: page started to crystallize, and ideas of what I wanted
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Speaker 2: my new career to look like, or at least what
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Speaker 2: I wanted to feel like in my new career.
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Speaker 1: From there, her life became all about movement, not just
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Speaker 1: movement as fitness, movement as.
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Speaker 2: Agency, especially as women. There's this way in which we
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Speaker 2: try to shape shift into the world, and I was like,
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Speaker 2: I want to create a world where it shape shifts
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Speaker 2: to me.
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Speaker 1: And speaking of shifting, Robin had a post it note
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Speaker 1: that lived on her bathroom mirror for years. It said
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Speaker 1: do epic shit.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: By the time she finally peeled it off, it was
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Speaker 1: crusty and faded and barely legible. But by then she
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Speaker 1: didn't need it anymore because the note had done its job. Now.
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Speaker 1: I had to post it on my mirror once too,
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Speaker 1: four of them actually, And it was during a stretch
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Speaker 1: of my life when I was acutely depressed and lonely
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Speaker 1: and stuck and if you are a Day one listener
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Speaker 1: of this podcast, I've talked about that time before, and
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Speaker 1: if you want to hear about it, just go back
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Speaker 1: into the catalog of episodes. But the post that I
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Speaker 1: remember most was a quote from Oprah. It said, you
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Speaker 1: can't defeat someone who knows who they are. And I
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Speaker 1: wrote it because I was trying to become that kind
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Speaker 1: of person. I really wanted to be unshakable. And there's
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Speaker 1: something quietly profound about to post it on a mirror.
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Speaker 1: The bathroom is one of the only ps that we
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Speaker 1: look at ourselves with no audience, no makeup, no pretense,
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Speaker 1: just our actual face looking back. You see who you are,
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Speaker 1: and the post it is a reminder of who you
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Speaker 1: want to become. And I think our yearnings are evidence
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Speaker 1: of that. They're like little flags planted in our future
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Speaker 1: selves saying come get me. And I think that most
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Speaker 1: of us have versions of these little promises taped somewhere
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Speaker 1: in our lives. The dream that we mentioned once at
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Speaker 1: a dinner party and then never again, or the person
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Speaker 1: we swore we'd stop loving, the apology we never gave,
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Speaker 1: the boundary that we never got around to drawing, the
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Speaker 1: thing that we said we would do when life slowed down,
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Speaker 1: or maybe it's the goal we whispered to ourselves on
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Speaker 1: January first. We let them yellow, and we let them curl,
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Speaker 1: and we forget we ever made them. But Robin doesn't.
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Speaker 1: And that's what I really wanted to understand in this conversation,
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Speaker 1: not her resume, not the peloton instructor, or the ultra
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Speaker 1: marathon or or the book author, but Robin, the person
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Speaker 1: who actually does the thing she says she's going to do,
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Speaker 1: because I think it's tempting to look at someone like
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Speaker 1: her and assume that she's just wired differently than the
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Speaker 1: rest of us. But she's not. She built the wiring,
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Speaker 1: and the way she built it has very little to
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Speaker 1: do with motivation and almost everything to do with a small, unglamorous,
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Speaker 1: deeply un sexy practice of doing the thing when we
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Speaker 1: really don't feel like doing it. So together we are
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Speaker 1: digging into discipline and motherhood and burnout and wellness culture.
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Speaker 1: Her honest take on GLP ones, We talk about why
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Speaker 1: she replaced the word should with the word will, and
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Speaker 1: why she says no to almost everything in order to
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Speaker 1: protect her yes who. I also asked her about the
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Speaker 1: cold email that changed everything for her because you know,
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Speaker 1: I love a cold email. These are the kinds of
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Speaker 1: conversations Robin explores on her podcast Project Swagger, which she
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Speaker 1: describes as a transformation tool kit for people trying to
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Speaker 1: build more intentional lives. So today with Robin, we're circling
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Speaker 1: this question what happens when you stop trying to fit
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Speaker 1: yourself into the world and start building a life that
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Speaker 1: actually fits you. This episode is for everyone, but it's
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Speaker 1: also especially for anyone with a post it or a
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Speaker 1: metaphorical post it crewing on a mirror somewhere. I think
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Speaker 1: maybe today's the day that we peel it down, dust
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Speaker 1: it off, and see if it still has something to say.
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Speaker 1: It's time to question everything with Robin Ourzo. Okay, Robin,
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Speaker 1: I am personally very excited about this new podcast of yours.
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Speaker 1: We're going to get into it, but before we do,
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Speaker 1: I need to know about food and fuel. What did
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Speaker 1: you eat this morning?
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Speaker 2: What did I have this morning? Oh gosh, I was
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Speaker 2: out of the house early this morning, so I had
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Speaker 2: I pre packed last night, protein oatmeal, protein yogurt, dates,
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Speaker 2: a protein bagel with peebee fit and cheese seed and strawberry. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That basically got me through like one PM.
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Speaker 1: I'm so impressed by that and also personally invested in
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Speaker 1: the amount of food you're eating because I am trying
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Speaker 1: so hard to eat more.
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Speaker 2: I eat like clockwork. Yeah, it's part of my full
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Speaker 2: time job.
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Speaker 1: So do you have anything that you eat that would
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Speaker 1: make a nutritionous nervous? Or you on the plan all
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Speaker 1: the time?
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Speaker 2: I love really, I mean I think I have fun
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Speaker 2: with food. I don't go out to eat very often.
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Speaker 2: I make ninety percent of my meals, so like, if
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Speaker 2: I'm out and I want to eat whatever I want,
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Speaker 2: I eat whatever I want. But I create kind of
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Speaker 2: like processes around that. So my male prep is actually priority,
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Speaker 2: and I really enjoy cooking for my family. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: I say to my kids there are sometimes foods and
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Speaker 2: all the time foods, and most of the time I'm
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Speaker 2: eating all the time food.
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Speaker 1: I love that. Will you operate in a world where
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Speaker 1: food is often talked about as fuel? But I know
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Speaker 1: that you come from a Puerto Rican and Cuban household,
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Speaker 1: and you know a lot of times in those beautiful cultures,
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Speaker 1: food is joy and celebration. How do you balance the
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Speaker 1: idea of food as fuel versus food for pleasure.
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Speaker 2: I don't think we have to choose. I don't choose.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I celebrate holidays with my family, and most
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Speaker 2: of the time I'm able to replace ingredients or swap
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Speaker 2: ingredients with the same flavors that I grew up with
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Speaker 2: that are joyful and connecting. And you know to the
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Speaker 2: extent that it's not that everything on our dish on
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Speaker 2: every holiday needs to be like focused on macros and
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Speaker 2: making you a better athlete. That's not realistic. But I
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Speaker 2: think that I don't think. I don't think we have
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Speaker 2: to choose.
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Speaker 1: I agree with you. So I watched Suits religiously. Did
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Speaker 1: you happen to watch that show? By any chance?
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Speaker 2: I did the first few seasons. My husband was obsessed,
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Speaker 2: and he's even watched the sequel, like the La One.
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Speaker 1: Oh see that the sequel. I don't know if I
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Speaker 1: loved the sequel, So he must really love that show to.
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Speaker 2: Watch you really love it. It's like his comfort show.
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Speaker 2: It's like My Sex and the City.
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Speaker 1: I bring it up only to say that I was
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Speaker 1: reading that you were an attorney. You even passed the bar.
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Speaker 1: You are the type of person that is so good
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Speaker 1: at everything you do. Were you a good attorney. I was.
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Speaker 2: I was excellent. I practiced for eight years at one
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Speaker 2: of the top law firms in New York.
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Speaker 1: So I think there's a version of your life where
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Speaker 1: you stayed and were an attorney and were in the
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Speaker 1: real life suits, where you made partner and you did
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Speaker 1: that whole thing. What was the moment that you knew
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Speaker 1: that that version wasn't good to be you?
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Speaker 2: I started to fall in love so much with running
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Speaker 2: and lifting that it became evident to me that I
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Speaker 2: had to make a different plan.
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Speaker 1: Can you expand on that, because like, I love running
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Speaker 1: and lifting and I'm not having that inner feeling like
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Speaker 1: I got to change career paths.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really fair question. I think I was
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Speaker 2: also discovering the art of storytelling and connected with platforms
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Speaker 2: that storytell on a larger scale. And I had this
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Speaker 2: instinct that I was able to scale storytelling through movement,
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Speaker 2: and that was kind of when Peloton came into the picture.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Was there an
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Speaker 1: in between period for you where you decided to leave
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Speaker 1: law but before Peloton existed, or you just made the
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Speaker 1: leap right away.
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Speaker 2: I would say it was probably a two year process.
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Speaker 1: So tell me about that two year period. And I asked,
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Speaker 1: because is the women that listen to this show are
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Speaker 1: usually very career oriented, and I think that sort of
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Speaker 1: messy middle as we've colloquially branded it, is just such
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Speaker 1: an interesting time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I it was something that I really
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Speaker 2: unpacked for myself through journaling, through setting a ten minute
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Speaker 2: calendar appointment a day where I forced myself to like
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Speaker 2: look at a blank page or look at a blank
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Speaker 2: email screen and craft something in that moment. So that
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Speaker 2: was really kind of like a I guess, like a
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Speaker 2: morning pages essentially for myself. And that in that two
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Speaker 2: year process, what started as a blank page started to
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Speaker 2: crystallize and ideas of what I wanted my new career
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Speaker 2: to look like, or at least what I wanted to
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Speaker 2: feel like in my new career. And it was really
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Speaker 2: messy and it felt directionless a lot of days, but
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Speaker 2: I was able to through running, through meditation, through journaling,
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Speaker 2: really I did an audit of my life like I
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Speaker 2: did and I have I infused all of these questions
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Speaker 2: in this framework in my empowerment journal Welcome Hustler. That
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Speaker 2: was it was really unpacking my financial health, my physical health,
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Speaker 2: my spiritual health, and I answer these questions to kind
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Speaker 2: of look at, Okay, what can I leverage and what
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Speaker 2: do I have to work on? And that really helped
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Speaker 2: me at least create some type of framework around something
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Speaker 2: that felt like it was just filled with question marks.
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Speaker 1: How'd you figure out the right questions to ask yourself?
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Speaker 2: A lot of them came to me on runs I think.
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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously the name of this podcast right like
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Speaker 2: it's there are such an art to asking the right questions.
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Speaker 2: A lot of it in the beginning centered around how
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Speaker 2: I wanted to feel in my new working role, and
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Speaker 2: it was a lot of that for me was colored
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Speaker 2: with freedom, empowerment, an ability to use my voice in
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Speaker 2: the way that wasn't like there's this I think, especially
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Speaker 2: as women, there's this way in which we try to
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Speaker 2: shape shift into the world, and I was like, I
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Speaker 2: want to create a world where it shape shifts to me.
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Speaker 2: So it was a lot of that.
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Speaker 1: Did you feel that at the law form, Yeah, for sure,
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Speaker 1: I felt like I had to.
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Speaker 2: There was a lot of code switching. It felt like
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Speaker 2: I had to and you know, we do have to
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Speaker 2: adapt to environments, especially in corporate culture. I'm not saying
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Speaker 2: that's necessarily a bad thing. But I felt like I
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Speaker 2: was boxed in and I thought I and I knew
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Speaker 2: I have feeling that I could serve the values that
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Speaker 2: I still that brought me into law and that I
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Speaker 2: still really value, such as community and raising up women
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Speaker 2: and and and you know, underrepresented communities. But I know,
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Speaker 2: I just do it with a very different toolkit. And
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Speaker 2: that became that risk of finding of a world building,
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Speaker 2: so to speak, became more important to me than the security.
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Speaker 1: I know that you're a big affirmations person. You have
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Speaker 1: a lot of these catchphrases that people all over the
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Speaker 1: world have used as inspiration. Now, is there one that
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Speaker 1: you were using during that time to sort of get
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Speaker 1: yourself to a place where you could fully believe in
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Speaker 1: the world that you were building.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually I read it in a post it note
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Speaker 2: and it sat on my bathroom mirror for years, and
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Speaker 2: it was totally crusty. By the time. I was just like, girl,
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Speaker 2: I'll get rid of this.
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Speaker 1: Oh sit.
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Speaker 2: It said do epic shit, And that was like, that's
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Speaker 2: the quality that everything had to have during that time.
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Speaker 2: It had to feel epic, It had to feel expansive,
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Speaker 2: it had to feel like even the smaller moments had
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Speaker 2: to feel expansive, and I think expansion and freedom was
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Speaker 2: kind of the bumper sticker that I would feel that
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Speaker 2: I put on the feeling of that time, and that
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Speaker 2: became my north star. And now since then I've adapted
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Speaker 2: that right like I think it's important for our north
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Speaker 2: stars to be able to change and give ourselves permission
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Speaker 2: to change our minds and change the quality of the feeling.
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Speaker 2: But that was definitely the vibe.
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Speaker 1: Then what does the post it say?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 1: I'm so curious.
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Speaker 2: Now it is more about I would say, I would
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Speaker 2: link to I still could ask myself the question why
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Speaker 2: not me? Often? That keeps me in a creative space,
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Speaker 2: that keeps me in a gold space. But I would say,
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Speaker 2: now I link that to what does a yes look like?
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Speaker 2: Because I say no to more things than I say
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Speaker 2: yes to, And if I'm saying yes, it's probably going
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Speaker 2: to take me away from my family, so it needs
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Speaker 2: to be the right yes.
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Speaker 1: I've actually I don't have a family yet, and I
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Speaker 1: have been pretending to have one when I make decisions
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Speaker 1: because I find it's the only way that I can
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Speaker 1: be discerning. So I love that you that you said
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Speaker 1: that you have this almost athletic relationship. It seems too
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Speaker 1: decision making, like you commit, you train, you execute, you repeat,
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Speaker 1: and you It seems from the outside you really don't
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Speaker 1: have to do anything. How do you orient your days
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Speaker 1: when things are still a fire drill? Because I know
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Speaker 1: you're a peloton, but you're also doing so many other
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Speaker 1: things as granular as you can get. I'm so curious
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Speaker 1: about how you schedule your life.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I schedule it in like fifteen minute increments.
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Speaker 2: I'm really ruthless with very long meetings. I very rarely
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Speaker 2: will commit to a sixty minute anything, especially without seeing
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Speaker 2: an agenda beforehand. I refuse to be in a meeting
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Speaker 2: where you're just going to read me a deck. Zero
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Speaker 2: chance I will be there. I know how to read.
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Speaker 2: So I think it is getting hopefully to a place
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Speaker 2: in our careers where we can edit those kind of
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Speaker 2: time wasters, or at least contribute to the conversation where
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Speaker 2: the agendas are robust and keeping the needle moving. I
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Speaker 2: have an amazing team. I don't do it all myself.
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Speaker 2: I delegate. One of my superpowers is decisiveness. I make
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Speaker 2: a decision and we go. I don't spin my wheels
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Speaker 2: for hours and hours. I don't text fifty friends about it.
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Speaker 2: I don't google and podcasts and read seventy five books.
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Speaker 2: I go and I figure it out. And sometimes I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I shouldn't have walked through that door. Let me walk
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Speaker 2: back out and walk through this door. And it's okay.
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Speaker 2: It's okay to make mistakes, it's okay to change your mind.
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Speaker 2: I am again ruthless with my no to protect my yes.
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Speaker 2: I think if it's not something I want to do
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Speaker 2: that day, I'm probably not going to want to do
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Speaker 2: it in three weeks or three months, so it's just
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Speaker 2: a no, thank you. And that applies to social engagements
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Speaker 2: as well.
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Speaker 1: I really like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you know, you get the invite and you're like,
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Speaker 2: I know I should think that's cool, but I really
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Speaker 2: don't want to do it even today or tomorrow. You're
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Speaker 2: gonna be just as tired in three months probably, so
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Speaker 2: it's like it's just probably a no, not right now,
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Speaker 2: no thanks.
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Speaker 3: I know there are very cool opportunities or they're really
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Speaker 3: meaningful opportunities, or it's the charity event, or it's that
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Speaker 3: you know, and it's like stuff that you're like, I
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Speaker 3: know I should, but we are we should ourselves out
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Speaker 3: of optimization.
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Speaker 1: H wow, we should ourselves out of optimization? When did
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Speaker 1: you figure that out? Robin?
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Speaker 2: The should detox is something that I applied to myself
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Speaker 2: when I was in that period moving from law to wellness.
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Speaker 2: And you replaced should with will and a reason. So
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Speaker 2: instead of like I should work out, I will because
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Speaker 2: my kids deserve me fully energized. I will work out
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Speaker 2: because I'm starting a business and I need to be
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Speaker 2: in my best physical health. So that has very different
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Speaker 2: energy and it provides specificity that leads to action, and like,
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Speaker 2: I'm all about action. I think you know the analogy
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Speaker 2: that I am a corporate athlete. I run businesses and
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Speaker 2: I treat my body and my home like a business.
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Speaker 2: And I think that there's a really they're really really
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Speaker 2: complimentary skill sets. And most of the leaders, if not
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Speaker 2: all of them that I admire, are also athletes.
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Speaker 1: What do you think the dedication of an athlete to
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Speaker 1: their body, like, how does that transfer over? There's all
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Speaker 1: these statistics that I can imagine you know about female
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Speaker 1: CEOs previously being athletes, specifically being on team athletics. If
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Speaker 1: you had to describe what that actually is internally, what
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Speaker 1: is it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think we are self talk ninjas. You
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Speaker 2: have an ability to talk to yourself when it's hard
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Speaker 2: and get you out of that place. Doing something when
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Speaker 2: you don't feel like it is one of the most
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Speaker 2: important skills we will ever develop. Like most of the time,
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Speaker 2: you're not going to feel like it, and guess what,
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Speaker 2: like nobody cares, like keep going. And I don't say
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Speaker 2: that to be harsh, but it's like, babe, let's go.
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Speaker 2: Like you're looking for a pity party. It ain't here.
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Speaker 1: It's not.
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Speaker 2: H And I do believe that that athletics teaches you
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Speaker 2: to ask for what you need. I think that that's
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Speaker 2: also evolving, right, So it's not just like run yourself
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Speaker 2: into the ground and who cares about feelings? But it
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Speaker 2: is taking an expansive view of like let me touch base.
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Speaker 2: Like I am in tune with my emotions and my
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Speaker 2: body twenty four hours a day, and I know when
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Speaker 2: the needle's moving in the wrong direction and I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I was short of my kids, or I'm in right now,
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Speaker 2: or I'm feeling like you know that anxiety creep up.
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Speaker 2: It's like that awareness. I actually think athletes are hyper
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Speaker 2: attuned to and now it's about developing the skill set
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Speaker 2: of like, Okay, where do I go from there? Like
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Speaker 2: is it a therapy session, is it breath work? Is
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Speaker 2: it like going to sleep an hour earlier? You know,
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Speaker 2: these are little things that we can that we can
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Speaker 2: pull on that lever and know, you know, we've got
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Speaker 2: a toolkit that will support our health physically and mentally.
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Speaker 1: Robin, how are you giving your children that mindset and
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Speaker 1: honoring their feelings at the same time, because like gen
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Speaker 1: Z does not want to do things that they don't
20:36
Speaker 1: want to do. And I know I'm I'm I'm making
20:39
Speaker 1: big broad strokes, but I'm so curious how you're honoring
20:42
Speaker 1: your children's feelings and giving them that.
20:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really interesting. I mean I think our literacy
20:49
Speaker 2: around EQ and are around our even our ability to
20:54
Speaker 2: like talk about feelings is amazing. Like I wish I
20:56
Speaker 2: had that toolkit as a kid. So I think it
20:59
Speaker 2: is just that it's literally literacy around like naming feelings, understanding,
21:04
Speaker 2: like naming for them. Ooh, that's frustration, Ooh that's jealousy,
21:08
Speaker 2: like this is and then then as they have more vocabulary,
21:11
Speaker 2: they're gonna be like actually it's this not that because
21:15
Speaker 2: I have very young kids that they're five and two,
21:18
Speaker 2: and it's an interesting mix in my household of like
21:20
Speaker 2: the gentle parenting of like, oh okay, I honor that
21:23
Speaker 2: you're feeling like that way, but two things can be
21:25
Speaker 2: true and like that might make you very frustrated that
21:28
Speaker 2: it's time to go to school, but it's school, and
21:31
Speaker 2: that's it this whole like not doing things when you
21:36
Speaker 2: don't feel like it, Like good luck to that generation,
21:39
Speaker 2: because that's not how the world runs period. Like life
21:45
Speaker 2: will be hard and we have to have the resilience
21:49
Speaker 2: in the capacity to hold space for our feelings. But
21:52
Speaker 2: sometimes our feelings are liars and what is true is
21:55
Speaker 2: the ability to get up again and do something about it.
22:00
Speaker 2: I do admire the ability to say, like I need
22:03
Speaker 2: space right now, like I need to distance myself from
22:05
Speaker 2: something that is harmful for me. Like I think that
22:08
Speaker 2: is a very admirable quality. But you can't live in
22:12
Speaker 2: that place. You can't live in that cave, you can't
22:15
Speaker 2: live on the bedrock TikTok world, Like that's just not reality.
22:21
Speaker 2: So unless you're dropping back in to anchor yourself in
22:24
Speaker 2: something that is momentum filled, I just don't have any
22:28
Speaker 2: respect for it.
22:29
Speaker 1: I really fully agree Robin, and I think it's actually
22:33
Speaker 1: an unpopular opinion that we both hold. But I'm with you.
22:37
Speaker 1: One of my favorite stories that you tell about Peloton
22:40
Speaker 1: is that you started with a cold email when I
22:43
Speaker 1: tell you some of the best things of my life
22:45
Speaker 1: started with a cold email. Do you remember what you
22:48
Speaker 1: wrote before you hits end?
22:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was definitely describing my vision, my excitement
22:55
Speaker 2: for the company. You know, I was teaching for a
22:58
Speaker 2: local spin studio and square in New York City at
23:01
Speaker 2: the time, to like at max twenty people at a time,
23:05
Speaker 2: and I was just so excited the idea of scaling
23:08
Speaker 2: movement into people's homes. And yeah, I didn't even contemplate,
23:12
Speaker 2: you know, it was literally just thinking, oh wow, like
23:15
Speaker 2: this could be in somebody's house across the country. How amazing.
23:18
Speaker 2: So it was enthusiasm and also you know, a little
23:21
Speaker 2: pitch on like why I'm that girl, like you ain't
23:24
Speaker 2: good to find me anywhere else, so let's get me
23:27
Speaker 2: in there so I can show you what I got.
23:29
Speaker 2: So I basically pitched like, just let me show you
23:31
Speaker 2: an audition. Does I have it? And that was really
23:36
Speaker 2: a bold statement, because I was probably only teaching spin
23:38
Speaker 2: for like a year at that point, and I don't
23:40
Speaker 2: even know if I had it. If I saw my
23:41
Speaker 2: audition tape, I would probably crawl under the table, like
23:44
Speaker 2: I would just wither away and die. It was probably terrible.
23:48
Speaker 2: But I did have the passion and the excitement, and
23:50
Speaker 2: I did see the vision of the company, so that
23:53
Speaker 2: I think went a long way. Yeah, I guess they
23:58
Speaker 2: believed in my enthusiasm. I would say, I.
24:01
Speaker 1: Think it's very cool to hear that you just shot
24:05
Speaker 1: your shot and ended up now as vice president of
24:09
Speaker 1: fitness programming, head instructor. You've obviously, like you said, you
24:13
Speaker 1: built an entire world based on you, based on Robin.
24:16
Speaker 1: Now you have a whole podcast. I'm so curious as
24:20
Speaker 1: to why you wanted to dive into the podcast world.
24:24
Speaker 2: It felt like a natural extension to finding the aperture
24:29
Speaker 2: of how I can connect with folks. So it started
24:32
Speaker 2: with my masterclass, and then it moved into my newsletter
24:35
Speaker 2: for Swagger Society, and then my husband and I worked
24:38
Speaker 2: together we created Swagger Society so I could go deeper
24:41
Speaker 2: with some of these questions around habit formation and self
24:44
Speaker 2: talk and life optimization. And being that corporate athlete that
24:49
Speaker 2: we were just discussing. And so Project Swagger came about
24:54
Speaker 2: as an amazing partnership with Vox Media. They produce some
24:57
Speaker 2: of my favorite podcasts like Scott Galloway and here a
24:59
Speaker 2: Square Sure, And that became the right partnership because I
25:04
Speaker 2: knew that it would be produced in a way that
25:08
Speaker 2: fit into my life. Again, like with like proper delegation
25:11
Speaker 2: and choosing the right partners and Project Swagger is really
25:15
Speaker 2: an efficiency play as well as a mindset and optimization play.
25:18
Speaker 2: In thirty minutes or less, I'm giving people my hot
25:22
Speaker 2: take on a specific wellness or lifestyle topic and then
25:26
Speaker 2: a call to action as well as a toolkit to
25:29
Speaker 2: do something about that. So these aren't just ephemeral or
25:34
Speaker 2: esoteric things that we're wrestling with. It's like this, I
25:38
Speaker 2: consider that every single episode we're adding a tool to
25:41
Speaker 2: the toolkit, and not everybody is going to use that
25:44
Speaker 2: same tool in the same exact way. But I think
25:47
Speaker 2: you know, if you listen to a year's worth of episodes,
25:49
Speaker 2: you're gonna have forty eight tools in your toolkit, and
25:52
Speaker 2: you never know when you're gonna have to dig back
25:54
Speaker 2: into self talk or taking creatine or you know, thinking
25:58
Speaker 2: about aging and lunch and of course, like movement is
26:02
Speaker 2: going to be a part of the conversation, but we're
26:03
Speaker 2: going much broader than that. This is not a fitness podcast.
26:06
Speaker 2: This is me really stepping into the intersection of of wellness,
26:14
Speaker 2: of business, of entrepreneurship, of motherhood. And I think a
26:18
Speaker 2: lot of folks are multi hyphen it in that way.
26:20
Speaker 2: So this is really Project Swagger is a podcast for
26:24
Speaker 2: the multi hyphen it houseler.
26:26
Speaker 1: I love that you've optimized podcasting, even like you really,
26:32
Speaker 1: you really did it. Do you pick these topics based
26:36
Speaker 1: on things that you are personally curious about? Do you
26:40
Speaker 1: base them on what's trending? Like how are you picking
26:43
Speaker 1: what you're covering?
26:44
Speaker 2: It's both interest. I'm not chasing trends for sure not.
26:49
Speaker 2: It's both interest and the listener. The viewer is actually
26:53
Speaker 2: my co host, so I haven't I have a hotline
26:56
Speaker 2: one eight seven seven all Swag and people call in.
27:00
Speaker 2: So it's a classic like nineties call in show vibe.
27:04
Speaker 2: And I want to be useful. I want to be
27:07
Speaker 2: useful to the community, and you know, for folks who
27:09
Speaker 2: follow me on social media or at peloton. There isn't
27:12
Speaker 2: that innate feedback loop built in, and so this is
27:16
Speaker 2: a way to do that, a small way, but a
27:20
Speaker 2: consistent way to do that with the community.
27:23
Speaker 1: So cool? Are you still doing marathons and ultra marathons?
27:27
Speaker 2: I am so. I have been in my high rocks
27:31
Speaker 2: era the past few years. I'm gonna I'm stilf picking
27:34
Speaker 2: picking up my race calendar this year, but yeah, a
27:36
Speaker 2: marathon might be might be on the calendar this year.
27:39
Speaker 1: That's so cool. I was reading about ultra marathons because
27:43
Speaker 1: I didn't know a lot about them. And you run
27:46
Speaker 1: through mountains in the dark. Have you has your body
27:50
Speaker 1: ever bonked like you? Has your body ever said no?
27:53
Speaker 1: And your mind is the part of you that had
27:56
Speaker 1: to push you through these races or you had been
27:58
Speaker 1: training for so long that you were physically equipped.
28:02
Speaker 2: Definitely, for sure the former, I mean you definitely you
28:06
Speaker 2: need the mental game is so key. Obviously, you need
28:08
Speaker 2: to prepare yourself physically for something like running for a
28:11
Speaker 2: whole twenty four hours straight or something like that, which
28:14
Speaker 2: I did do for one hundred miler, but it's it
28:18
Speaker 2: is predominantly mental. I haven't done an ultra since having kids,
28:22
Speaker 2: in part because the training takes you away for many,
28:26
Speaker 2: many hours a week. It's much more similar to like
28:28
Speaker 2: iron Man training, where you're training upwards of you know,
28:31
Speaker 2: over twenty hours a week maybe some weeks, and that's
28:35
Speaker 2: just like an average as an average athlete, not even.
28:38
Speaker 1: Like the pros.
28:38
Speaker 2: They obviously do much more. But but marathons, I think
28:41
Speaker 2: I can get back too soon. And it's it is.
28:45
Speaker 2: I think endurance athletes just or perennially ask them asking
28:51
Speaker 2: themselves the question like, but what if I can? And
28:55
Speaker 2: I think that answer lives on the race course.
29:00
Speaker 1: Do you feel like after all these years of training
29:04
Speaker 1: at this level that your body tells you things that
29:08
Speaker 1: you wish you would have known at twenty five.
29:12
Speaker 2: I am so much more in tune with my body
29:15
Speaker 2: than I was in my twenties. It's like, obviously, our
29:18
Speaker 2: bodies change and adapt you know, our pace changes, our
29:22
Speaker 2: muscle mass changes, you know, all these things. But the
29:25
Speaker 2: beauty is that we're adaptable. And the wisdom that somebody
29:28
Speaker 2: has racing in their thirties, forties, fifties and beyond is
29:32
Speaker 2: so much more, is so much richer, and I think
29:35
Speaker 2: that that makes us much stronger athletes because we can
29:38
Speaker 2: listen to ourselves, we are aware of our feelings. We know,
29:42
Speaker 2: you know, we have experiences in our back pocket when
29:45
Speaker 2: we have become more resilient, and that is a beautiful thing.
29:51
Speaker 2: It's an advantage as an athlete.
29:53
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I think we're at this really interesting place in
30:11
Speaker 1: culture in terms of beauty standards. And I'm so curious
30:16
Speaker 1: how you see the culture of fitness and wellness changing,
30:19
Speaker 1: giving the rise of GLP ones and some of the trends.
30:25
Speaker 1: I think, like nineties thin is in our faces again,
30:28
Speaker 1: although I also see like the sculpted body in how
30:32
Speaker 1: do you navigate it? Robin, Yeah, I feel I.
30:35
Speaker 2: Mean, ultimately want I want to contribute to people feeling
30:39
Speaker 2: at home in their bodies, and I think for some
30:42
Speaker 2: folks that's going to be you know, taking GLP ones.
30:45
Speaker 2: I think overall, I do worry that there isn't going
30:51
Speaker 2: to be an honest enough conversation around who is who's
31:00
Speaker 2: body type is being crafted and helped and aided by medicine.
31:07
Speaker 2: And I don't want there to be a perception or misperception,
31:10
Speaker 2: especially for young girls like my daughter, to think like, oh,
31:16
Speaker 2: my physical body. However it's supposed to be is or
31:21
Speaker 2: isn't okay? And I need these tools because again it's
31:25
Speaker 2: a tool that an adult should use with the advice
31:29
Speaker 2: under the you know, under medical supervision. But then that
31:32
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily inform the body image piece. We're just inundated
31:36
Speaker 2: with videos and images and how does that make us
31:39
Speaker 2: feel at home in our bodies or not at home
31:41
Speaker 2: in our bodies? So that is my biggest kind of
31:45
Speaker 2: question mark. It is not a judgment call on like
31:48
Speaker 2: what people adults specifically do with their bodies. But I
31:51
Speaker 2: do hope we're having honest conversations and empowered conversations around
31:55
Speaker 2: it from a point of access choice and then bridging
32:03
Speaker 2: to a lifestyle choice that hopefully is empowering and uplifting
32:06
Speaker 2: for everybody.
32:08
Speaker 1: From a muscle standpoint, is it true that they like
32:12
Speaker 1: the glps sort of deteriorate your muscle if you're not
32:15
Speaker 1: really taking creatine and working at it.
32:18
Speaker 2: Overall, you're reducing your caloric intake. But when your body
32:22
Speaker 2: is reacting to weight loss, it doesn't say like, okay,
32:25
Speaker 2: you can't be like.
32:26
Speaker 3: I want two percent on my left arm, three percent
32:28
Speaker 3: on my right arm.
32:29
Speaker 2: You know, ten percent on my belly is just going
32:32
Speaker 2: to be like you know, it's generally speaking that where
32:35
Speaker 2: people lose weight is going to be super individualized, and
32:39
Speaker 2: muscle mass is going to be a part of that.
32:41
Speaker 2: So strength training and eating a protein focused diet is
32:45
Speaker 2: going to be critical for folks who are on peptides
32:50
Speaker 2: like glp ones.
32:51
Speaker 1: It's changed some of my family members' lives, and also
32:55
Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends on them who don't
32:57
Speaker 1: need them, and so I was just so curious about
33:00
Speaker 1: where you stood and how you felt about it.
33:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's helpful to like finger wag
33:06
Speaker 2: because I think there are so many examples in both.
33:09
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a whole range of ways that science
33:13
Speaker 2: in general is and medical advancements are going to impact
33:16
Speaker 2: our lives, and I think it's only going to accelerate
33:18
Speaker 2: in the last next few decades, predominantly for the better.
33:22
Speaker 2: But I think the more curious we are rather than judgmental,
33:28
Speaker 2: the better will be because ultimately we want advancements, we
33:33
Speaker 2: want access to more things that are going to keep
33:35
Speaker 2: us here robustly and for longer. But we do have
33:38
Speaker 2: to also understand what is the impact of that and
33:41
Speaker 2: what images are being served up as optimal as beauty
33:46
Speaker 2: as vitality and in the same discernment that we have
33:51
Speaker 2: to look at like an AI concocted image or just
33:55
Speaker 2: be more literate consumers and more literate humans to be
33:59
Speaker 2: like are my eyes playing tricks on me? And like
34:02
Speaker 2: what story is going to be around that? I think
34:05
Speaker 2: that that has a lot of There are a lot
34:07
Speaker 2: of aspects to that conversation that we have to become
34:10
Speaker 2: more adept at, which kind of.
34:12
Speaker 1: Speaks to your motivational catch phrases, because a lot of
34:16
Speaker 1: times I think you're trying to change the stories that
34:19
Speaker 1: we're telling ourselves by using these phrases. There was a
34:24
Speaker 1: lot of chatter online that you were going to be
34:27
Speaker 1: a real housewife of New York with one of those phrases,
34:32
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god. First of all,
34:36
Speaker 1: the phrase I get that. Was that ever a real
34:39
Speaker 1: consideration for you? Or was that just rumors online?
34:43
Speaker 2: Those were just rumors. I can confirm that was never
34:47
Speaker 2: a thing.
34:51
Speaker 1: I was reading that one of the mantras you use
34:53
Speaker 1: a lot, as I am, and I'm so curious how
34:57
Speaker 1: that feels motivating for you?
35:00
Speaker 2: What is it?
35:01
Speaker 1: What's the power in those words?
35:03
Speaker 2: You can always complete that sentence with presence, I can
35:10
Speaker 2: always meet myself where my feet are and where I
35:13
Speaker 2: want to take my energy, because sometimes I'm needing to
35:16
Speaker 2: say I am and root down, and sometimes I need
35:20
Speaker 2: to say I am and hype up, and sometimes I
35:25
Speaker 2: am is the identity that I'm trying on for size,
35:29
Speaker 2: Like that helps for me dismantle imposter syndrome, because sometimes
35:35
Speaker 2: you just have to try something on right, like you're
35:37
Speaker 2: just like I'm trying on this blazer, I'm trying on
35:40
Speaker 2: this these running shorts. You know, you just have to
35:42
Speaker 2: try on for size as an identity, and that that
35:47
Speaker 2: phrase helps me.
35:50
Speaker 1: I've never thought about that, Robin. I really like that,
35:52
Speaker 1: especially like you're a person who loves questions, and I
35:55
Speaker 1: think like when you're questioning where you are and if
35:59
Speaker 1: you're supposed to if the path is right for you,
36:03
Speaker 1: it's actually very an easy way to question yourself like
36:06
Speaker 1: does this fit m hm? That's very like, does it.
36:10
Speaker 2: Like is it palatable inside?
36:13
Speaker 1: Yeah? Does this feel right? That's really cool? Do you
36:17
Speaker 1: ever like, do you ever want to kind of cohost through?
36:21
Speaker 1: Are there seasons where you're not in a growth mindset?
36:25
Speaker 1: Or are you truly just always at that at that level?
36:29
Speaker 2: I think I might be entering one. So the other
36:35
Speaker 2: day I saw Adam Grant, who's an amazing author and
36:38
Speaker 2: podcaster and educator, and he's just so brilliant and he
36:42
Speaker 2: is constantly writing more books and creating more projects. And
36:46
Speaker 2: I asked him, like, do you ever I just released
36:49
Speaker 2: a cookbook. It's a hustle. I just launched Project Swagger,
36:52
Speaker 2: And now I'm in a place where, like twenty twenty
36:54
Speaker 2: five for me was a building year, twenty twenty six
36:56
Speaker 2: was releasing a lot of the things I was building,
36:58
Speaker 2: and the latter part of twenty two twenty six, I
37:02
Speaker 2: think I'm just going to go back to basics a
37:05
Speaker 2: little bit. And I asked Adam Grant about that, and
37:08
Speaker 2: I was like, I feel like I'm almost having a
37:09
Speaker 2: creativity hangover where you really so much energy goes into
37:13
Speaker 2: this big thing and you almost feel like like a
37:16
Speaker 2: mourning or something. You're like, oh, but you're so used
37:19
Speaker 2: to that dopamine hit. You're so used to that adrenaline.
37:22
Speaker 2: And I obviously love both, but I also think I
37:27
Speaker 2: don't want to create from a place of a scarcity mindset.
37:32
Speaker 2: And I think when we create, like, okay, I got
37:34
Speaker 2: to I got to make the next thing. I got
37:35
Speaker 2: to write the next book, I could have got to
37:37
Speaker 2: create the next product because that just was expected to me.
37:40
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the type of energy that actually
37:42
Speaker 2: breeds success. So I am going to take his advice,
37:46
Speaker 2: which was I go back to doing things that are
37:50
Speaker 2: playful and joyful and like watch movies and go to
37:53
Speaker 2: art and go see shows that just I think are cool,
37:57
Speaker 2: like I admire, like I want to go see Harry
37:59
Speaker 2: Style perform and just marvel at like, damn, this is
38:03
Speaker 2: somebody doing amazing, you know what I mean, Like just
38:05
Speaker 2: go see go back to Broadway shows like Doodle in
38:10
Speaker 2: my notebook, you know, and allow myself to just be
38:14
Speaker 2: look at the vantage point from what I've built.
38:17
Speaker 1: Out of all of the impressive people that you have
38:20
Speaker 1: been in contact with, that you have coached, is there
38:23
Speaker 1: somebody that stands out for you? Because and I asked,
38:26
Speaker 1: because you mentioned Adam Grant and it's like, yeah, that's
38:28
Speaker 1: a great person to get advice from.
38:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, Like he's incredible. Yes, let's see, I
38:33
Speaker 2: would say. You know, they say like say like never
38:36
Speaker 2: meet your heroes. I haven't found that to be the case.
38:40
Speaker 2: I have found people to be incredibly gracious and curious
38:46
Speaker 2: and maybe it's just you know, I got lucky, but
38:51
Speaker 2: you know, I'll share. Like I remember when I when
38:55
Speaker 2: I was in that period leading law, I was at
38:58
Speaker 2: the London Olympic Games and I met really briefly Alison
39:02
Speaker 2: Felix and she let me ask for questions for my tumbler.
39:06
Speaker 2: Like it was you know, she's getting like, yeah, the
39:09
Speaker 2: biggest interviews in the world, and she's like, let me
39:11
Speaker 2: just talk to this young girl, and so cool. She
39:16
Speaker 2: was so gracious. And then now since like Alison has
39:19
Speaker 2: become a friend and she's you know, wrote a blurb
39:22
Speaker 2: for my book, and it's just amazing where life is
39:24
Speaker 2: going to take you. And I think you never know
39:28
Speaker 2: what your timeline is supposed to be, Like you don't
39:31
Speaker 2: know where the seeds you plant with the right energy,
39:36
Speaker 2: you don't know when they're going to sprout. And I
39:40
Speaker 2: am so grateful that now I get to meet people
39:42
Speaker 2: that I'm just like, oh my gosh, I would have
39:44
Speaker 2: just dreamed you were on my vision board. And now
39:47
Speaker 2: like I know you, but I do believe that anything's possible.
39:50
Speaker 2: I really do.
39:52
Speaker 1: You're a big vision boarder. I heard does everything go
39:55
Speaker 1: on the vision board and does everything get done?
39:59
Speaker 2: Not every thing, not always of the timeline that I expect, Right,
40:02
Speaker 2: So there are things in my vision boards, a lot
40:05
Speaker 2: of things. A lot of the things do get done.
40:07
Speaker 2: I will say, like it is a pretty good hit record,
40:09
Speaker 2: but it's not like one plus you know one plus
40:12
Speaker 2: one equals too. It's it's more so getting me directional clarity.
40:17
Speaker 2: And I usually have quadrants that relate to like that
40:20
Speaker 2: year or a season, So there might be like a
40:23
Speaker 2: business quadrant. Back before I had kids, there was like
40:25
Speaker 2: a family or fertility quadrant. So sometimes they're very very personal,
40:30
Speaker 2: and then lately they've been much more business oriented, but
40:35
Speaker 2: they provide clarity. So when I do get that email
40:38
Speaker 2: of like an offer, I'm like, is this in the
40:42
Speaker 2: world that like I thought about six months ago? And
40:45
Speaker 2: sometimes you have you have to leave room for unexpected miracles, right,
40:49
Speaker 2: So it's not like, oh, this doesn't fit, no, but
40:52
Speaker 2: I do. It does help me kind of tune into
40:55
Speaker 2: what a guess looks like.
41:10
Speaker 1: How much time are you carving out for self growth,
41:14
Speaker 1: self development, thoughtfulness about your goals, like are you checking
41:18
Speaker 1: back in every month or what does that look like
41:20
Speaker 1: for you?
41:22
Speaker 2: I do check into the vision board, I would say probably,
41:25
Speaker 2: Like I have strategy sessions with my team once a quarter,
41:28
Speaker 2: and so usually leading up to those strategy sessions, I'm like,
41:31
Speaker 2: all right, let me check in, like what what are
41:34
Speaker 2: what do we where's my head at? But I give
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Speaker 2: myself time to be bored every single week, like no air,
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Speaker 2: no air, no headphones, no no zoom call, Like I'm
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Speaker 2: literally just walking around the streets of New York City
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Speaker 2: thinking like a few times a week.
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Speaker 1: Hmm.
41:57
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would say probably for like two hours
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Speaker 2: a week. I'm literally just thinking.
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Speaker 1: I think that's so cool, Robin, because most people would say,
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Speaker 1: like they, including myself, make excuses that like people have
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Speaker 1: kids or people are busy, and to carve that time
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Speaker 1: out to be bored, so to speak, is so awesome.
42:17
Speaker 2: Well it is functional, right, So it's more so like
42:20
Speaker 2: where can you fold it into an existing commute? Where
42:23
Speaker 2: can you fold it into like the existing plane ride?
42:26
Speaker 2: Like I do it in my walk to and from
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Speaker 2: my training sessions, and not every day, not every time off,
42:32
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of times it's like, oh I
42:33
Speaker 2: got to have a flash meanting with my team or whatever.
42:35
Speaker 2: So like I'm still practical about it. But I would
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Speaker 2: say I prioritize it, like it like if I have
42:41
Speaker 2: to choose, or if I'm just more comforted by the
42:44
Speaker 2: idea of like, let me just a love listening to
42:47
Speaker 2: podcasts obviously, but if I feel like I'm kind of
42:51
Speaker 2: getting into the well like creatively, I really I protect
42:55
Speaker 2: that time and I'm like, listen, just give yourself twenty
42:57
Speaker 2: minutes to like not listen to anybody else ideas, And
43:01
Speaker 2: when is your voice going to be the loudest voice again?
43:05
Speaker 2: And if I feel like my own inner monologue is
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Speaker 2: a little too low, I find it's most helpful to
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Speaker 2: amplify it by a movement and b quote unquote bored time.
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Speaker 1: That is really beautifully said. If my inner monologue is
43:18
Speaker 1: too low, I really like that. Very cool. You've already
43:23
Speaker 1: reinvented yourself multiple times. I'm curious looking towards the future,
43:29
Speaker 1: what do you feel like this next chapter holds for you?
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Speaker 2: I want to create a really joyful continue to have
43:36
Speaker 2: a joyful existence with my family. I think, you know,
43:39
Speaker 2: if seeing the world through my kid's eyes is a
43:41
Speaker 2: real privilege. But I became more ambitious since becoming a mother,
43:45
Speaker 2: not less so and I felt a bigger responsibility to
43:49
Speaker 2: contribute to a world that like they're like, yeah, like
43:53
Speaker 2: my mom is a baddie, Like he built incredible shit.
43:57
Speaker 2: And that now just means that I have to be
43:59
Speaker 2: way more intentional with the things that are going to
44:02
Speaker 2: take my time. But I'm not less ambitious. I'm just
44:06
Speaker 2: more intentional and present. I think widening the aperture into lifestyle,
44:11
Speaker 2: into beauty. I consider a lot of the ways that
44:14
Speaker 2: a lot of the industries that make money on women
44:19
Speaker 2: feeling that about themselves, and I want to rip them
44:26
Speaker 2: down beauty, you know, ways in which we can you know,
44:32
Speaker 2: feel really great about living in our homes and being
44:35
Speaker 2: at peace with our families. Like I think that there's
44:38
Speaker 2: a modern spin on some of.
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Speaker 4: Those paradigms, and whether it's from a product perspective, a
44:44
Speaker 4: licensing perspective, or creating whole cloth businesses in the unscripted
44:48
Speaker 4: space in like movies and TV production.
44:51
Speaker 2: My husband and I have a production company called Swagger Studios,
44:54
Speaker 2: so we're looking at projects to partner with in green
44:58
Speaker 2: light and so they're a lot of ways that storytelling,
45:01
Speaker 2: both in between our ears and in our communities is
45:04
Speaker 2: ripe for adaptation.
45:08
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. You are in a world where you are
45:11
Speaker 1: constantly the motivator. Like even people like people interviewing you
45:17
Speaker 1: are looking for motivation. People that come to your classes
45:20
Speaker 1: are looking for motivation. And I kept thinking, where does
45:25
Speaker 1: that leave room for you to be uncertain or not
45:28
Speaker 1: on What has it been like to be the force
45:33
Speaker 1: for so many people?
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Speaker 2: I mean, I it gives my life so much meaning.
45:39
Speaker 2: I yeah, it's an immense privilege. I also take my
45:43
Speaker 2: recovery and my ability to shut it all down really seriously.
45:52
Speaker 2: You know, like I go to bed early. I'm usually
45:54
Speaker 2: in bed by nine. I am an introvert. I'm an
45:58
Speaker 2: extroverted introvert. So I gets my energy back through silence
46:02
Speaker 2: and through really contemplative kind of solo time. And with
46:07
Speaker 2: two young kids, that's not often possible in the same
46:10
Speaker 2: way that I would love, but it definitely. I'm self
46:15
Speaker 2: aware enough to know where I need to kind of
46:18
Speaker 2: plug back in or how I plug back into you know,
46:21
Speaker 2: the energy voltage, so to speak. And it really is
46:25
Speaker 2: the basics. It's like fueling intentionally sleeping well and crafting
46:31
Speaker 2: social engagements that make me feel connected to community but
46:36
Speaker 2: don't feel like they're draining on my energy. So it's
46:40
Speaker 2: often not going to be like a huge I'm not
46:42
Speaker 2: going to usually go to like a cocktail party. I'd
46:45
Speaker 2: rather like have a dinner with girlfriends kind of thing.
46:49
Speaker 2: Or my husband and I will often like throw party,
46:52
Speaker 2: like a big party with our friends and everyone. I
46:55
Speaker 2: know every single person in that room deeply, but in
46:58
Speaker 2: a three hour time period, like I see them all
47:00
Speaker 2: in one shot, but we'll take the party planning on
47:03
Speaker 2: to like make sure that that creation is happening. And
47:06
Speaker 2: so I think it's knowing yourself. I think that's the
47:08
Speaker 2: beauty of being thirties, forties, fifties, sixties and beyond, because
47:12
Speaker 2: it's like you are just cutting down the noise, baby,
47:15
Speaker 2: and you're not doing the thing just to keep up
47:17
Speaker 2: with the Joneses, like because what the Joneses are doing
47:21
Speaker 2: might not be your bag. So I like don't pay
47:23
Speaker 2: attention to any of that. And even with social media,
47:26
Speaker 2: I completely delete apps like for weeks and weeks at
47:28
Speaker 2: a time, and I work with my team to craft
47:31
Speaker 2: what's going up, but I'm not the one actually engaging
47:36
Speaker 2: with a lot of that because I have to take
47:39
Speaker 2: digital detoxes.
47:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were looking for a husband or a partner.
47:46
Speaker 1: Were you really intentionable intentional about finding a doer also
47:53
Speaker 1: or do you like being in charge?
47:55
Speaker 2: Oh? It was like a non negotiable that it needed
47:57
Speaker 2: to be a fully formed man. I was like, I'm
47:59
Speaker 2: not like, he needs to be grown as hell and
48:03
Speaker 2: have his own stuff. I think it really takes the
48:08
Speaker 2: right person to step into a world that is so
48:10
Speaker 2: public facing. And he I mean so much so that
48:14
Speaker 2: we work together. He's my manager, and he has his
48:16
Speaker 2: own businesses, he has his own things which he needs, right.
48:18
Speaker 2: It can't be all about like all about me, but
48:22
Speaker 2: we are very very intentional about like you got to
48:26
Speaker 2: clean up your side of the street, like do your
48:29
Speaker 2: own work, and then that's going to give you so
48:31
Speaker 2: much more capacity to like do more for others. And
48:35
Speaker 2: we even in a marriage, like it's like I need
48:39
Speaker 2: this right now, I need to move, you know what
48:41
Speaker 2: I mean. And then it's usually that community using our
48:43
Speaker 2: communications to like build bridges for the other person so
48:46
Speaker 2: they can get to that place where they can work
48:48
Speaker 2: on themselves.
48:49
Speaker 1: It's cool to hear it seems like you guys have
48:51
Speaker 1: a really nice ying and Yang.
48:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely balances me out. We joke about how
48:56
Speaker 2: our skill sets are very, very complimentary.
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Speaker 1: I have some rapid fire questions for you before you leave.
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Speaker 1: I heard that you were quite the deadlifter if you
49:06
Speaker 1: had to, could you deadlift a car?
49:08
Speaker 2: A deadlift a car? Maybe? Like how much is a
49:13
Speaker 2: car away? Uh No, I don't know. I mean I
49:17
Speaker 2: would have to see how much a car weighs. Maybe
49:19
Speaker 2: one of those small European cars, you know, like those
49:22
Speaker 2: tiny little ones that you see in Italy. I think
49:25
Speaker 2: I could deadlift that.
49:29
Speaker 1: Definitely.
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Speaker 2: A few mopeds I can probably get a few mopeds up.
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Speaker 1: Yes, what is your favorite protein powder? Oh?
49:38
Speaker 2: That's really good question. Lately, I really like Rise three eleven.
49:42
Speaker 2: It's kind of an obscure one. But this trainer, Jjalhol's trainer,
49:48
Speaker 2: Jason started the company, Jason Walsh. I think his name
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Speaker 2: is Rise three eleven is a really good one.
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Speaker 1: Cool. Jason used to be my trainer.
49:56
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
49:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, what's the first thing you do after crossing
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Speaker 1: the finish line?
50:04
Speaker 2: Usually look for my kids and look for some type
50:06
Speaker 2: of potato chip. I love potato chips or French fries.
50:12
Speaker 1: That's so much better than beer. I love that. Okay,
50:15
Speaker 1: A wellness trend that is worth the.
50:17
Speaker 2: Hype, strength training and creatine.
50:21
Speaker 1: One that's not worth the hype.
50:23
Speaker 2: One that's not worth the hype. You know, I would
50:26
Speaker 2: say people are trying to major in the minors when
50:29
Speaker 2: they're so focused on what light therapy and what cold
50:34
Speaker 2: prunge and what and it's like those things are I
50:37
Speaker 2: love biohacking, but if you're focused on that rather than
50:40
Speaker 2: like eating vegetables, drinking water, getting your protein, and moving
50:43
Speaker 2: your body six days a week, then you're having the
50:45
Speaker 2: wrong conversation.
50:46
Speaker 1: Well said, I know you're a big Beyonce fan. If
50:50
Speaker 1: you could describe this era of your life as one
50:53
Speaker 1: of her albums, what era are you in right now?
50:55
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I love this question. I would say,
50:59
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's actually Cowboy Carter because for me,
51:03
Speaker 2: Cowboy Carter was yes, And so this is why, because
51:07
Speaker 2: for me, Cowboy is the most self assured I had
51:11
Speaker 2: seen Beyonce, and it was in such an unexpected thing, right,
51:14
Speaker 2: It's like Beyonce's doing country, so you'd think it be,
51:17
Speaker 2: but it felt it was so grounded, and it was
51:19
Speaker 2: so grounded in classics. You know, she don't collapse with
51:22
Speaker 2: Dolly and Willie Nelson and putting her own spin on things,
51:26
Speaker 2: and I think that is a maturity that I have
51:29
Speaker 2: also reached that I think I can go into industries
51:32
Speaker 2: that maybe i'd be unexpected, like cooking, and be like, right,
51:36
Speaker 2: I'm still gonna hold space though, because I have a
51:38
Speaker 2: point of view and like this is just how I'm
51:40
Speaker 2: gonna do it.
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Speaker 1: So awesome, Robin, I love that and also unexpected answer
51:44
Speaker 1: from you.
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Speaker 2: Very cool.
51:46
Speaker 1: Okay, what's something that every woman should try once?
51:50
Speaker 2: A really amazing solo trip. I think a solo even day.
51:58
Speaker 2: I've had amazing experiences where I've just like booked a
52:00
Speaker 2: hotel room for thirty six hours and been like I'm
52:03
Speaker 2: off and it's kind of scary ray Like sometimes it's
52:07
Speaker 2: like you're going to eat by yourself, where it's like
52:09
Speaker 2: what do you do with your hands? Like when you're
52:10
Speaker 2: at you know, it's like little things that just remind
52:12
Speaker 2: us like we can still take adventures and we don't
52:15
Speaker 2: need anybody else to give them to us.
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Speaker 1: So good. If I'm giving you a plane ticket right now,
52:19
Speaker 1: where are you going?
52:21
Speaker 2: I would go back to the Maldives. I haven't been
52:24
Speaker 2: there since our honeymoon and my Apple watch is still
52:28
Speaker 2: partly on Malay time because I said to my husband,
52:31
Speaker 2: I was like, listen, baby, I am manifesting going back
52:34
Speaker 2: to this private island, like you bet your butt. And
52:37
Speaker 2: so there's just one little tether to Malay, you know,
52:40
Speaker 2: to the other side of the world. So hopefully I
52:43
Speaker 2: get to go back there.
52:44
Speaker 1: Put it on the vision board exactly, exactly. Okay, So
52:49
Speaker 1: I always do a question from this card game question everything,
52:53
Speaker 1: and because we're virtual, you tell me when to stop
52:55
Speaker 1: and I'll pause, suck. Okay. What's something most people love
53:00
Speaker 1: but you can't stand?
53:02
Speaker 2: Coffee?
53:04
Speaker 1: Robin?
53:05
Speaker 2: What I think coffee is trash.
53:08
Speaker 1: For us health wise or just taste wise for.
53:12
Speaker 2: Me individually taste. I don't have any clear I don't
53:17
Speaker 2: have any opinions on the coffee industry or whether somebody
53:20
Speaker 2: should drink coffee or not. I just think personally, I
53:23
Speaker 2: don't like it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, good.
53:27
Speaker 2: Uh.
53:27
Speaker 1: My last thing for you is I'm gonna do a
53:29
Speaker 1: wellness smash your pass. So these are health and wellness trends.
53:33
Speaker 1: Smash your pass, Protein in everything, smash red light therapy.
53:43
Speaker 2: I'm going to pass run clubs, smash community is great,
53:50
Speaker 2: Aura rings or other wearables smash as long as you're
53:56
Speaker 2: still the loudest voice in the room, pilate.
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Speaker 1: Smash. Okay, and the last one I'm about to say
54:05
Speaker 1: is something that our producer shared. I did not know
54:07
Speaker 1: what these were, so apparently fartwalks are a big thing
54:10
Speaker 1: right now. It's going on walks after eating to improve
54:15
Speaker 1: your digestion.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I think it needs a rebrands, but I would
54:25
Speaker 2: say smash because I do support walking after eating. It's
54:29
Speaker 2: great for blood sugar as well.
54:32
Speaker 1: I can't believe the last thing I said to you
54:34
Speaker 1: in our interview is fartwalks. I have to come up
54:36
Speaker 1: with something else. Robin, you are so much fun. Thank
54:39
Speaker 1: you for your time today. And I'm an avid listener
54:43
Speaker 1: to the pod, so keep it going.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. This was so fun.
54:47
Speaker 1: Thanks Robin. Okay, you know what time it is. Today's
54:56
Speaker 1: a good day. To have a good day. I'll see
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Speaker 1: you next week.
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