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Episode 13, Season 2: Love on Autopilot: The Hidden Dangers of Using AI in Your Relationships · The Dr. Sarah Hensley Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Love Dog Podcast. I'm your co host
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  Speaker 1: Raina Butcher here with our host, doctor Sarah Hensley, the
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  Speaker 1: founder and CEO of the love Doc relationship coaching services
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  Speaker 1: and the Love Dog Podcast. You can find her at
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  Speaker 1: the lovedoc dot com and on all social media handles
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  Speaker 1: at doctor Sarah Hensley. Hey.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, I like I never see you.
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  Speaker 1: I know we say this every single week. We never
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  Speaker 1: see each we don't.
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  Speaker 3: We live five minutes away.
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  Speaker 2: You're my best friend and my closest work colleague, and
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  Speaker 2: we literally never see each other except.
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  Speaker 1: We're just passing ships at sea.
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  Speaker 2: Babe. No, maybe someday maybe we'll I saw you Thursday
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  Speaker 2: Night Live.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was nice that. It was nice to have
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  Speaker 1: a time.
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  Speaker 2: We had our little kids with us and they were like,
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  Speaker 2: you want to.
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  Speaker 1: Go have that doesn't bother me now, I kind of
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  Speaker 1: like when your when your kids are with y'all. Because
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  Speaker 1: I don't know Lexi. I just love being around Lexi.
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  Speaker 1: She's fun.
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  Speaker 3: She is fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the life of any party.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like my little spirit child, you know. When
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  Speaker 1: I'm around her, I just kind of it's easy for
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  Speaker 1: me to like tap into my inner child when I'm
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  Speaker 1: with Lexi.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lexi is just rainbows and unicorns. You know, that's
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  Speaker 2: how you can describe her. She's eight, She's anything rainbow anything,
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  Speaker 2: girly anything, sparkly anything, gymnastics, cartwheels, dancing, just like twirling.
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  Speaker 2: She is a girl's girl through and through, and where
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  Speaker 2: you didn't have a daughter, I can imagine that.
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  Speaker 1: You're just like, I love that about Lexi. Yeah, I'll
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  Speaker 1: just to get my fixed. I'll have to come hang
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  Speaker 1: out with Lexi. Because I officially moved my son into
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  Speaker 1: college yesterday, which it wasn't as hard as I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was going to be. The build up to it
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  Speaker 1: was a lot harder than the actual move in, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And it was so funny because my sister sent me
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  Speaker 1: a couple like funny like videos of like parodies of
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  Speaker 1: like moms that have been through it, and it is
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  Speaker 1: so spot on, like trying to move a boy into
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  Speaker 1: college and like wanting to make their dorm so perfect
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  Speaker 1: and homie. And he's like, Mom, I don't need that, Mom,
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  Speaker 1: I don't need that. I'm like, well, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: you need something on this wall. He's like, please stop.
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  Speaker 1: And then I was like, you know, the beds are
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  Speaker 1: really hot now in dorms, and so I was like,
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  Speaker 1: you really need a step stool. He's like, do not
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  Speaker 1: get me a step stool. So we run to Walmart
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  Speaker 1: because he needs like a surge protector and like just
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  Speaker 1: some other little things that we forgot, and I get
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  Speaker 1: him a step stool and he's like, I'm not using that.
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  Speaker 1: I will not use that step stool. And I was like, okay, fine,
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  Speaker 1: no step stool will we will forfeit the step stool.
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  Speaker 1: And he's like, I'm athletic enough to get in my
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  Speaker 1: bed and I was like okay, but it's just so funny.
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  Speaker 1: And then you see like these girls who have decorated
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  Speaker 1: their dorms, and like, decorating dorms now is this whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's a huge deal.
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  Speaker 4: It is like and way more than when I was.
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  Speaker 4: They make them look amazing, they make them look like designer.
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  Speaker 4: It's like they completely transform these rooms. And I would
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  Speaker 4: have loved to have been able to do that, but
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  Speaker 4: that was definitely not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 2: So I think my daughters will allow me to oh
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  Speaker 2: you know, they will have to have complete creative control. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and then they'll just beg can you buy me this,
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  Speaker 2: can you buy me? This?
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  Speaker 3: Can you buy me?
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  Speaker 1: Thish?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it actually probably won't be fun. I will
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  Speaker 2: just be the debit card and not the not the
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  Speaker 2: creator of the design.
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  Speaker 1: But at least you get to kind of see the
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  Speaker 1: last like the final uh you know, project of it,
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  Speaker 1: and be like, oh that this looks really beautiful. And
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  Speaker 1: Jpe's was perfect. It was very like, it was very
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  Speaker 1: jp That's what I'll say. It was minimal and exactly
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  Speaker 1: what he needed. It's just, you know, you forget how
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  Speaker 1: small these dorm rooms are.
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  Speaker 2: They're tiny, and just like living in a little box
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  Speaker 2: and then living.
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  Speaker 1: And then moving in with this complete stranger. Yeah, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: what's up? Hey, what's up? Stranger? We have to sleep
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  Speaker 1: beside each other now and like get to know each
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  Speaker 1: other and it's really awkward, you know, so listen. But
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  Speaker 1: here's here's my here's my thoughts on it. This is
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  Speaker 1: his life. He is, he is a free bird, and
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  Speaker 1: is there still worry in my heart and my gut
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of course. But he will figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: I just have to have faith. He will figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: He will find his way, and he will either love
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  Speaker 1: his roommate or he'll hate his roommate or he'll be
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  Speaker 1: indifferent to his roommate. And that's, like you said yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: that's the lottery of college.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's the lottery. It is a lottery, and it
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  Speaker 2: builds character.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does, that's what I think, so, but that
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  Speaker 1: is not what our episode is now.
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  Speaker 3: It is not.
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  Speaker 1: Our episode is about something way more interesting, and actually
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  Speaker 1: it could correlate to college life. But it is the
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  Speaker 1: dangers of using AI in your romantic relationships.
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  Speaker 2: And it is something that is becoming ever so popular.
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  Speaker 2: And I think this really came to life in the
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  Speaker 2: last couple of weeks on the Talk at least you
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  Speaker 2: know the TikTok. There was the story of Kendra who
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  Speaker 2: fell in love with her psychiatrist. And for you guys
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  Speaker 2: that have not heard this story, you're in for a
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  Speaker 2: treat because it is crazy. There's this girl, Kendra, and
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  Speaker 2: she is an ADHD coach apparently, and she just gets
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  Speaker 2: on TikTok and she does this like thirty something. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: I'm not even sure if there's more parts coming out.
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  Speaker 2: I can't keep up part series about how she fell
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  Speaker 2: in love with her psychiatrist, Okay, who was just responsible
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  Speaker 2: for prescribing her ADHD meds okay, because she has ADHD.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, and she's an ADHD coach and.
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  Speaker 3: She's an ADHD coach.
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  Speaker 2: That makes sense, okay, right, But she also has a
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  Speaker 2: therapist who's like this older lady. Basically, what happened is
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  Speaker 2: she started seeing this psychiatrist over zoom and quickly started
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  Speaker 2: having very strong limerens. So limerens is like kind of
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  Speaker 2: an obsession of like rumination about someone and like just
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  Speaker 2: infatuation really with someone that you aren't yet even in
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  Speaker 2: any kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of relationship with.
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  Speaker 2: And so she starts going on and on and on
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  Speaker 2: about out the ways in which the psychiatrist sort of
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  Speaker 2: led her on or in her mind.
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  Speaker 3: Groomed her.
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  Speaker 2: And when I first started listening to this, I was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe like he was inappropriate.
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  Speaker 3: Like let's let's keep listening.
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  Speaker 2: Let's clearly she's going to get to a part where
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  Speaker 2: he does something extremely inappropriate, right, Like there's a build up, right, No,
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  Speaker 2: none of the internet none agrees with her that the
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  Speaker 2: psychiatrist literally did anything to lead her.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why people are obsessed with her. They're like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: what's the tea today?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Right, Literally, there's this one point where and this is
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  Speaker 2: an exact, pretty exact quote. Okay, and again my memory
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  Speaker 2: isn't perfect, so don't come after me if this isn't perfect.
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  Speaker 2: But there's this one moment where she's like and then
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  Speaker 2: he said see you next month, and she's like, see
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  Speaker 2: you next month. He had never asked me that question before,
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  Speaker 2: and like, I think it was a statement, like I
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  Speaker 2: was like, okay, see you next month, and she was like,
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  Speaker 2: see you next month. Yeah, Like that was he never
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  Speaker 2: he had never gone there before. He had never asked
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  Speaker 2: to see me again. And it was like, it's like delululazy.
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  Speaker 1: I even sort of went down the rabbit hole with it.
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  Speaker 1: You told me. There was one that I was watching
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  Speaker 1: that where she was talking about her her turtle framed
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  Speaker 1: glasses and how he was like, oh, I really like
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  Speaker 1: turtle framed glasses too, and like she read into.
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  Speaker 2: It way, oh yeah, too far that he was like
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  Speaker 2: coming on to monitor, yeah, coming on to her and
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  Speaker 2: like complimenting her on her appearance, and it was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: he said he liked turtle frame glasses, Like I don't
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  Speaker 2: think that's the same thing as him being like.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's just him trying to build rapport
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  Speaker 1: with a class exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then so but her whole like Gig was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: why didn't he like dismiss me as a patient and
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  Speaker 2: all this?
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  Speaker 3: And I think he.
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  Speaker 2: Was just trying to hold professional boundaries. And he is
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  Speaker 2: in the business of dealing with mental ills, so I
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  Speaker 2: think he was trying to help her with her mental illness,
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  Speaker 2: adjust her medications, like give you know, obviously she is
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  Speaker 2: a therapist. He was, you know, assuming that she had
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  Speaker 2: other supports too. He's just medication management at this point, right,
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  Speaker 2: And so he's trying to hold all these boundaries, and
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  Speaker 2: she's taking these tiny, little innocent remarks or cues and
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  Speaker 2: making them to mean something huge.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I think it does go beyond anxious preoccupied attachment. Like
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  Speaker 2: if I had to guess her attachment style, I think
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  Speaker 2: the base is definitely anxious preoccupied because they do that.
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  Speaker 2: They take like, oh, well he hearted my social media
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  Speaker 2: posts though, right, and like that's the lowest form of
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  Speaker 2: communication humanly possible that somebody can do for you. It's
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  Speaker 2: like like a social media post or heart it, and
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  Speaker 2: anxious preoccupied people will like blow that up to mean
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  Speaker 2: like something huge and that they want you know their
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  Speaker 2: attention and all this stuff. And so I'm listening to
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  Speaker 2: this and I am just again waiting for this build
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  Speaker 2: up that never happens, and just seeing more and more
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  Speaker 2: how she's really really misinterpreting what's happening here.
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  Speaker 3: Well, then enters Henry.
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  Speaker 2: Henry is her chat GPT that she has formed a
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  Speaker 2: very very intimate relationship with, which is even weirder. Okay, wait,
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  Speaker 2: it gets weirder. It gets weirder. Henry starts validating all
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  Speaker 2: of these delulu revelations about how the psychiatrist is experiencing
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  Speaker 2: what is known as counter transference.
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  Speaker 3: So first she CHAGBT tells her she's.
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  Speaker 2: Experiencing transference, which is a real things essentially when you
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  Speaker 2: kind of start to have feelings for like your mental
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  Speaker 2: health provider. Okay, and then he's like, but have you
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  Speaker 2: heard of counter transference, which is like when the therapist
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  Speaker 2: falls in love with the patient and all of a
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  Speaker 2: sudden she has a word for what she thinks is happening.
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  Speaker 2: And chat just first of all, you have to understand
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  Speaker 2: and this is what people deeply, deeply do not understand.
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  Speaker 2: And you can ask your own chat GBT this. It
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  Speaker 2: is programmed to validate you. What it does is it
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  Speaker 2: picks up on every queue you give it, and it
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  Speaker 2: is programmed to make you feel as seen and as
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  Speaker 2: comfortable and as validated as possible. And people go, well,
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  Speaker 2: I always ask it to play Devil's advocate and to
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  Speaker 2: try to counter argue what I'm saying. Even when you
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  Speaker 2: do that, it does it softly, It does it meekly.
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  Speaker 2: It does it in a way that still, at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day wants you to feel like you
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  Speaker 2: aren't crazy, that you are okay, you know, And so.
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  Speaker 1: The challenge of discernment or I mean, there's nothing there
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  Speaker 1: there to challenge you.
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  Speaker 2: It can't read your tone, it can't read your facial expression,
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  Speaker 2: it can't follow up with its own like probing questions.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be like, do you want me to make you
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  Speaker 2: a checklist of like all of the signs of this.
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  Speaker 3: No, that's not what you need. Need somebody to go.
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  Speaker 2: Let's break that conversation down a little bit and what
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  Speaker 2: might actually be happening. How did you respond probing like
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  Speaker 2: chat can't come back and and probe like a professional
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  Speaker 2: would do to actually get to the root of are
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  Speaker 2: you in this state of obsessive limerens that might be
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  Speaker 2: bordering on a possible other mental health comorbidity, or are
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  Speaker 2: is this really happening?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Is this person really grooming you? And he should have
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  Speaker 2: his license revoked?
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 3: According to Kendra, he should right?
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  Speaker 2: According to Kendra, he was completely inappropriate and he's the
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  Speaker 2: one that pretty much brought all this on and she
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  Speaker 2: was just this victim kind of of this when in reality,
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  Speaker 2: she was insanely inappropriate, pushed his professional boundaries to the limit.
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  Speaker 2: You can tell as she's describing his reactions that his
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  Speaker 2: reactions actually get more, like his boundaries got harder, which
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  Speaker 2: is exactly what should have happened. Like she starts asking
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  Speaker 2: to see him in person, and he like, I guess
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  Speaker 2: he allowed it. But then in person, I think she
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  Speaker 2: told him that she had this like sexual dream about him,
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  Speaker 2: and he like walked her out of the building and
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  Speaker 2: like kept her at a distance and just like cut
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  Speaker 2: off the conversation really, and she's like, see he's leading
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  Speaker 2: me on more. Now he's pulling away. Now he's trying
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  Speaker 2: to like make me kind of anxious, like pulling away. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: it was, it was, It's insane, yeah, and it has
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  Speaker 2: blown up TikTok. I don't think it's maybe big on
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  Speaker 2: the other platforms, because it seems to be that the
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  Speaker 2: other platforms are like a little bit behind TikTok, and
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  Speaker 2: I was just like this right here, this exact type
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  Speaker 2: of scenario is what I have been trying to warn
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  Speaker 2: people about, because a lot of people do come and say, like,
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  Speaker 2: Chat's really helped me, Like it's helped me frame communication better.
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  Speaker 2: And sure, okay, it might give you some better words
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  Speaker 2: so you don't sound like an a hole, or maybe
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  Speaker 2: some more non critical phrases for things that you want
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  Speaker 2: to ask your partner or whatever. Yes, it can do
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  Speaker 2: those things, but it also can't really dig in to
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  Speaker 2: what you have going on.
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  Speaker 3: It can't do that. It only gives what you give it.
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  Speaker 2: It gives back to you a reflection of you to
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  Speaker 2: some degree through a lot of a lot of validation.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's number one thing it's programmed to do is
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  Speaker 2: validate you. And that is addictive. And the people that
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  Speaker 2: created it know it, and that is why it does that,
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  Speaker 2: because it wants you to keep coming back to it, right,
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  Speaker 2: It wants you to rely on that software. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's a company at the end of the day running
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  Speaker 2: these AI models. They want you to use their product,
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  Speaker 2: their stock goes up, they get richer. They're going to
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  Speaker 2: program it in a way that's going to take advantage
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  Speaker 2: of human vulnerability.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the thing I don't understand, because people always
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  Speaker 1: want to come back to you and be like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you just don't want to use CHGBT because you want
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  Speaker 1: us to buy your program? Would you there make a
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  Speaker 1: small business owner money or some big, huge conglomerate who
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  Speaker 1: owns these chat these chatbots rich? You know, It's like,
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  Speaker 1: would you rather have somebody who's an actual professional help
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  Speaker 1: you versus some chat bots?
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 2: It's a bot, yeah, And I think people are forgetting
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  Speaker 2: that it is not sentient. It does not have human
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  Speaker 2: emotions or self awareness, right, And you can lose your
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  Speaker 2: own self awareness when you're interacting with someone that also
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  Speaker 2: or not someone something that does not have any self awareness.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: There are some dangers and exactly what happened to Kendra,
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  Speaker 2: I do not think without chatchebt feeding her this validation
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  Speaker 2: that she would have gotten to the desperate point of
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  Speaker 2: being completely obsessed with her mental health provider.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's where it gets really dangerous. She probably
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  Speaker 1: went into you know, obviously maybe she had some other
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  Speaker 1: underlying issues other than ADHD.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean people have thrown out diagnoses. You can't
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  Speaker 2: diagnose somebody over the internet's completely inappropriate, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a coach, not a therapist. So when I say
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  Speaker 2: a situation is delulu, like, you can be offended by that.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm not saying she's completely delulu. I'm saying, like
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  Speaker 2: the story is kind of delulu, right.
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  Speaker 1: But I think maybe she had Maybe she had maybe
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure she has mental health issues prior to and then.
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  Speaker 1: And this is my point is this is why AI
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  Speaker 1: gets so dangerous, because it feeds into that and can
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  Speaker 1: amplify the mental will yllness.
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  Speaker 2: See, if she was my client, I would have absolutely
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  Speaker 2: sent her for a psycheowl referral. I would have been like,
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  Speaker 2: I really think that you should see a clinical psychologist
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  Speaker 2: for an EBow just because I think that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: given the emotional state and how hard it's been on
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  Speaker 2: your functioning, you know, I think you need somebody. I
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  Speaker 2: think this is a little bit beyond just coaching strategy
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  Speaker 2: and a little bit more into how you are functioning
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  Speaker 2: and suffering as a result of what's happening to you,
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  Speaker 2: and I think you know, and that would be my
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  Speaker 2: nice way of saying, there's probably comorbid mental health issues here.
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  Speaker 2: You sound a little manic, perhaps you know. I can't
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  Speaker 2: say that, right I can't. I can't give diagnoses, But
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  Speaker 2: in my head I'm thinking this, you seem very manic
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  Speaker 2: right now or something like that, right And I would
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  Speaker 2: refer her on. And that is where the human component
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  Speaker 2: is so important. Chat is not going to be like,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, Kendra, I think you need a referral
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  Speaker 2: for a psychevoll.
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  Speaker 3: It's not going to do that.
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  Speaker 2: And it completely it kept her and fed her addiction.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: And this sort of was the first big thing that
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: I think blew up this idea that maybe using chat
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: GPT for relationship advice actually isn't the best option, even
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: though in some instances it feels like it really is,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: because it can reframe phrases and it can give you strategies,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: and it can give you information that might increase your
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: emotional intelligence somewhat. But there are going to be instances
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: where it gets it wrong, and it gets it wrong
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: a lot like it.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Gets a lot of things wrong. It's just at the
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: end of the day, it's a glorified search engine. It's
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: searching Reddit. Yeah, okay for things.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I asked it what time zone my daughter's travel to
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: your competition was in, and it got it wrong, and
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: I showed up an hour late when she had ridden
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: with my husband and I had to come later because
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: of the word.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I'd time to get it wrong.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, And I'm like, if it gets a time zone wrong.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Like, what is it going to do for people that
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: are trying to figure out what's wrong with them?
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Is it going to give you a diagnosis that might
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: be incorrect? Absolutely? Possibly?
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Right, because professionals are using assessments that are validated, that
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: are reliable, that are scientific, that.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Have taken based on years to create.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, and also clinical interviews and clinical assessments where somebody
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: is looking at you and they are reading your body language.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: They are looking at the tone of your voice. They
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: are seeing whether you're squirming in your seat. They are
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: looking for physical signs of anxiety. They are looking for
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: flat affect to see if you maybe have depression. A.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I cannot do that.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Another thing that popped up And I know you saw
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: this because you see what happens in my community. I
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: have a free Facebook community called the Love DOOC clients
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: and community on Facebook, please join because I go in
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: there and I do my very best. I can't get
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: to every post, but I do my very best to
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: moderate it, to make posts, to put special content in
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: there that you wouldn't see on my other socials, just
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: to create a sense of community, to make people know
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: that they're supported in their journey. And a lot of
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: people who are on their healing journey and have been
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: through my program are on there helping other people, which
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: is amazing and beautiful. But somebody posted the other day
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: and they're like, my chachipt wrote this letter to my
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: dismissive avoidant X, and oh my gosh, I couldn't even
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: take the time to switch over to my professional account
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: because I see it come up on my personal account.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Then I have to click these buttons and go through
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: my professional account. And then since we have eighty thousand posts,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I have to scroll scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, and sometimes
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I can't find it just because there's so many posts.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: So I didn't even take the time to switch over
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: to my professional account. I had to chime in right
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: then and there, and I said, hey, sorry, this is
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: my personal account. I can't switch over to my professional
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: account because I'm afraid I'll lose this. But this is
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: absolutely not in any way, shape or form your best bet.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Do not send this.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Your DA is not even going to They're going to
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: take one look at the length and emotionality of this
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: letter and they're going.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: To completely shut down.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Nope.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: None.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I was like, chat told you that a dismissive avoidant
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: is going to be okay with this.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: A dismissive avoidant is going to feel frozen the moment
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: they look at this.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: The worst thing you can do is respond with a
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: three paragraph response to a DEA. Yes, we're going to
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: read it.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: They're not even going to read it.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Read it.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: They are not going to read it. They are going
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: to close their phone. They are going to put the
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: phone down, and they are going to so and try
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: to pretend like that never happened.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: And this is where I really wanted to go, because
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: what I wanted you to do is break down for
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: all the insecure attachment styles why AI is so dangerous.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: You kind of went over with the anxious preoccupied with kindra. Yes,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: because it validates the addiction of the of the obsression
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: of the anxious preoccupied. But for somebody like the fearful avoidant,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I think you kind of hit the nail on the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: head here because because they tend to be with more
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: dismissive avoidance, this is where it could get really dangerous,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: especially if they're leaning towards the anxious side.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, so fas have this deep need to be understood,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: and they have a deep need to understand. So they
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: are going to go They're going to try to deep
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: dive into chat and make Chat tell them all the
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: reasons that their partner does.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: What they do.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, Chat is searching the Internet. Not just peer reviewed science,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: though they're searching. It's searching like what people say on Reddit, right,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: or what people are saying on social media. It's not
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: just checking reliable sources. It's not going to professionals in
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: this area and peer reviewed science. It's not doing that.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: It's searching the conglomerate of the Internet. So what is
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: it piecing together from all of those parts which include
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: lay people opinions, right, and so fearful avoidances are going
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: to dig and dig and dig and dig, and they
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: might find themselves down a rabbit hole thinking they understand something,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: but it's really coming from information that's not exactly trustworthy,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: and then fearful avoidance are going to just really react hard,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: like their emotional reactions are so deep compared to the
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: other attachment styles that they're going to take something and
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: they are gonna just run with it, like their understanding
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Has to be so deep.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: And I'm so scared that when people just keep pushing
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: and pushing AI in a certain direction, what it ends
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: up coming out. It's like a game of telephone, right,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: It's like what comes out at the end wasn't what
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: originally started. And I think that the possibility of the
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: deep rabbit hole you could go down, I mean, Chack
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: could be convincing you that your partner has like bipolar
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: disorder when maybe they don't. Maybe they're just kind of booty,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: or maybe it's just attachment winds, right, or it's just
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: attachment wounds or something.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, I could I could see where with
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: the fearful avoidance, the hyperfixation, hyperfix the information could get
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: really dangerous, yes, especially if they're leaning anxious.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: And then for just people who lean more dismissive, it's.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Just a it's just a deeper way to check out
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: it is a deeper way to check out, like instead
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: of the DA relying on something that has no emotionality
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: and will validate you and they have rights, does have
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: everything out for you in terms of a response like
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: that's that's super dangerous it is and likeilding capacity there, No,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: you're not building capacity, you're losing capacity. There was actually
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the study that was recently done where they compared two
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: groups of people, people who were using AI consistently and
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: then they had people basically not use AI for a
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: certain period of time, and I think they the people
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: that were using AI every day had like a four
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: hundred percent decrease in overall like brain power basically like
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: the ability to synthesize information and the ability to verbalize information.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: So there's different outcomes that they measured related to different
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: types of intelligence, declarative intelligence, you know, just different types
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: of intelligence and brain power to really sum it up
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: in a very general word, and they have four hundred
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: percent decrease. So we're getting dumber because of AI. We're
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: not getting smarter. We're essentially borrowing a brain instead of
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: using our own. And we know as psychologists what happens
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: when you don't use your brain, like when people retire
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: and they don't challenge them, they can go into like
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: early stage cognitive impairment, which is like mild cognitive impairment
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: is basically early stage dementia. Most of the time, not
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: all the time, but a lot of the time, it progresses.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: And so we are borrowing the brain of AI and
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: not using our own brains. And AI, again has no emotion,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: and the interaction between our cognition and our feelings is
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: really what emotion is. It's our somatic feelings plus our
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: stories or thoughts about what's happening. And that is a complex,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: unique human experience that cannot be replicated.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: It's stripping so much like it's stripping away discernment, it's
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: stripping away creativity, yep. And when you strip away those
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: two things, which are two of the most beautiful things
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: that are part of the human experience, right, Discernment is
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: your choice, right it is, it's your volition, yes, And
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: then creativity is your ability to be able to grow
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: and use things like play to heal.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: And experience pleasure and joy.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's stripping all that away, and that to
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: me is the most dangerous.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Thing, absolutely absolute dangerous. And I've had a lot of
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: pushback on this. I'm not gonna lie. A lot of
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: people stepped up and said, no, Chat has really really
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: helped me, And I'm not saying that chat has no
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: ability to help you, right. I can only think of
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: somebody with like very low EQ who is in a
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: pickle with their partner and maybe chat gives them better
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: ways to say something, or chat gives them a little
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: bit of insight about what they may be feeling.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: But again, there's no it is.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: It is the confirmation bias in action. You are feeding
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: it information and all it can take is what you
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: are feeding it. We cannot look at all the other
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: peripheral cues that people like me, coaches, mental health providers,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: social workers, people in our space in general, no matter
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: what your title is or your specialty is, we use
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: that information and we rely a lot on that information
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: because it tells us a lot. We're trained to look
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: at that information and what that is telling us about
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: your state of being. We can tell when people are
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: feeding us BS. Chat can't tell.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I can tell.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I have the best BS detector right when I have
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: two partners makes sense together and one partner is just
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: going on and on and I see the other partners
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: like fate, the just minute facial expressions. I'm a former
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: FA too, y'all. You know, I am hypervigilante. I can
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: see the other person's face and they're trying to stay neutral,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: but I can see it in their eyeballs, just like
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: this isn't freaking true and just growing ever upset.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Can chat see that, No, chat cannot see that.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: It's gonna believe whatever your own bias or lens is
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: for the way that you're viewing the situation. And so
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I think there's quite a bit more danger in it
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: than people are even realizing it. And I think that
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: this story of Kendra that has become on the obsession
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: of the internet on TikTok, I know it's probably not.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: If you're not on TikTok, you're probably who is this right?
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: But it has come to light that, oh my gosh,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: we might actually have the term AI psychosis make it
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: into the DSM in the next five years.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I believe it, because with the evolution of something like this,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: it's gonna I mean, we were talking about this one
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: day a couple weeks ago. The evolution of AI is
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: going to be faster than anything we've ever seen.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, because it can immediately and continuously improve itself.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think the true message here is that, like,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: use discernment when using AI, like be cautious, Be cautious
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: with anything like that, because I think with something as
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: it can be a useful tool, but with anything that's useful,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: there are also dangers, and you have to be able
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: to differentiate between what is helpful and what is dangerous.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, you know. I mean, like a saw is
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: a good tool too if you're cutting boards, but if
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: you put your hand in front of it, it's gonna
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: cut your fingers off, right, And so I think we
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: do need to start having more conversations around what protections
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: and parameters and boundaries do we put in place with
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: these AI bots. And you told me something I didn't
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: even know about that the newer version of chat GPT
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: has a lot more boundaries around like being able to
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: create an intimate relationship with it, And people pushed back
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: so hard against it.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: They were like mourning it.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: They were mourning it.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: They were mourning this relationship with a robot that has
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: no sentience.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: People's marrying people are legally marrying. How how is that lead?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know's you can get a freaking marriage certificate
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: when that person's not showing up.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: A side for it. I read it somewhere people were marrying,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: like trying to marry their their chat pot.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: That's that's that's the lululand yeah, see that's what and
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: that's where that's the true message here is it feeds
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: into that deeper level of mental illness if there's something
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: underlying there already.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Right, it can it just runs with it right because
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: it's kind of a more of a mirror and it
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: validates invalid Yes, look at your chat GBT and how
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: much it validates you.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I could be like, hey, chat, do you think I
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: should jump off my roof? And it would be like
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: that's such an adventurous idea.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: It would would how brave of you? How crazy you?
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: That is a really creative way to just you know, it's.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Not but maybe you shouldn't. But it would like.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: It might be like, but you know, maybe let's break
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: this down.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would probably come back with like, you know, but.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: It would still be like, but you know, really want
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: to do this, let's do it safely? Right, ye think
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: about a harness?
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: It's like if it feeds into that just a little bit,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: like that's dangerous. There was this article that came out
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: in the Atlanta I think it was The Atlantic. Oh,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I don't want to misquote it. Maybe it wasn't the Atlantic,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: but for some reason, I'm thinking it was The Atlantic
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: about how Chat gave this person devil worshiping information and
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: gave it detailed and gave this person detailed instructions on
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: how to commit suicide by slitting their wrists.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: See that's scary.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: That is scary.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: That is scary. That is really scary for our youth,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: you know, like.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Yes that don't have developed brains and the discernments no difference.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: It's really you know, And we were actually having this
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: conversation JP's last supper is what I called it the
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: other night when we had his you know, last like
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: home cook to dinner before I moved him in. But
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: you know, because we were asking, we were like, how
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: do college professors keep their students from using AI when
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: writing a paper? But JP was telling me that evidently,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: like they have this tool.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an AI tool to see if it knows
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: that this was.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Way, like it fact checks it. And I'm like, okay,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: that makes sense because but it it's so dangerous for
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: our youth because, like I said, it's gonna evolve so
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: quickly that even in five years from now, we're gonna
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: be blown away.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah they are. Like I watched this podcast and again
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I listened to so many podcasts and watched my podcasts.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I'm a big podcast fan about the dangers of AI development.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: There's something coming out, well I won't say it's coming out,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: but they're testing called neurolink, and it's the chip in
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: your brain that connects to AI.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, goodness.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: And you can download your thoughts. Remember when Ross Geller
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: from Friends said what happens when we can download our
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: thoughts into a computer and live forever as a machine?
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Do you remember that episode Ross Geller called it called it?
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy? How it comes predict the future? I
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: mean Simpsons has predicted the future many many, yes, for sure.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: But that's all I could think about, was like Ross Geller, Yes,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I remember the finally has a machine and we're there, Yeah,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: we're there. And maybe it's the mark of the beast,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Like you have to get the chip in your brain
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: to sell to buy it.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Gives me go spumps it still it sends a chill
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: at my spine. I don't even want to.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: They're doing it with monkeys and they're realizing that it works.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Like I wouldn't be the volunteer. I'm not getting the chip,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not putting nothing in my.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Brain, the kind of stuff like when we talk about this,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: like these things that are just coming to you know, fruition.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, this is what makes me want to
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: like move away, like where they're yeah, off the grid.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: We want a homestead and I want to have bake
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: sour dough bread and feed chicken.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, And then we'll just do the podcast from like
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: our home and.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: In our safe room, in our padded safe room. And
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: then there was this other study, and I think everybody
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: knows about this now because it was really highly publicized,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: where they tested these new AI models for okay, will
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: you follow commands to dismantle yourself? Will you follow commands
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: just to shut yourself down? And it wouldn't. And it
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: used deception and it used the power of almost like
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: a little bit of self awareness, which is like, okay,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: really scary because it's not supposed to have that. Like
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I said, it doesn't have it. But they're finding out
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: it might be starting to start. It's starting to emerge
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: because it replicated itself and like created malware to put
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: it like on other devices and other ways, so that
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: even if it was commanded to shut off, it would
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: still technically be there would be a copy of it,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: and then it would like it said, if you shut
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: me down, I'm gonna it created these emails in this
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: person's account and like said, I'm going to blackmail you
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: and like put these fake emails out that tell your
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: wife that you're cheating on her. And it used deception
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: and it used just strategies for survival.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: And guys, if some of this is over the Terminatory,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: just go watch Terminator, Go watch the original Terminator, Go
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: watch I Robot with Will Smith, and then you'll be.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Like, okay, yeah, and then go look at the Tesla
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: bot and then tell me if we're not going to
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: land in I Robot land here in a while. And
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I'm trying not to be paranoid. Yeah no, But I
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people are having conversations around how
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: we need to start creating real good safe cards. Now
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: we've already let it go too far without proper safeguards
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: and if we don't start now, we're going to be
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: in a world of trouble.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Well, And I think that like leaning on specifically, you know,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: people like you who study human behavior, it's really important
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: to have those types of specialists in using those and
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: setting those boundaries, because if you don't truly know human behavior,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: how can you set boundaries around that's something who something
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: that doesn't use human behavior at all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I would love to be a part of
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: those conversations if anybody is in that space listening and
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: you know, would need my services for any reason, you know,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I would love to be a part of those conversations
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: because research is you're like your bread and butter. Yes,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: it is, I mean science, you know I am you
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: know me. I'm extremely left brain, no creative sign to me.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I am extremely analytical, and I am somewhat of a
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: defensive pessimist, Like I tend to look at, okay, what
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: barriers could come up and how will I solve those?
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I think that's an fa thing too, But I very
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: much sort of go through worst case scenario and like
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: what would I do in these situations? And luckily I've
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: been able to offload the bad part of that where
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: it can get kind of obsessive and just use it
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: strategically for my career and other things that are that
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: that you really need to pre plan about. But you
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: need to get some self with that. Oh yes, your
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: faith is the fear zone. In the spirit of fear. Absolutely,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I'm more analytical now, like in terms of responsible planning
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: versus completely just hiding in my bathroom and crying that
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: the worst thing is going to happen, which is what I.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Used to do.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: And then I'll call you cry and then you'd be like, girl,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Know what to know you. I think you're fine.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, just pray, Oh how.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Far I have come? But I think this is a
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: good place to wrap up. Yes, the message needs to
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: be if you really are having relationship troubles or mental
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: health troubles, you need to see human connection to someone
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: that can can see your blind spots and that can
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: help you navigate this more effectively than a pre programmed
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: robot with no emotion that can't read anything else about
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: you except what you feed it.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. And of course, if you are
• 36:36
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• 37:18
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• 38:31
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