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53-Man Roster Projection Episode: Going Inside Eagles Trade For Sam Howell, How Roster Shakes Out · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on? Everybody? Jeff Mosher,
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Adam Kaplan, Andrew Dchecko with us as this is one
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of our most anticipated Inside the Birds pods. Every year
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we do our own kind of fifty three man roster projection,
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We parse through it, we figure it out, and then,
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of course, as Adam always likes to say, it's just
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the initial fifty three. This thing changes two or three
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times over before an opener. But before that, guys, we
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do have some breaking Eagles news. Obviously, they make a trade,
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their third trade since the start of camp, and this
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time they bring in quarterback Sam Howel, which is interesting.
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There's a little bit of a Sam Howel Carson Wentz
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degrease of separation thing going on, as Wentz goes to
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the Vikings and Howel goes from the Vikings to the Eagles.
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There's a couple of areas I want to explore with this,
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but Adam, I'll start with you. Obviously, with Tanner McKee
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suffering a finger injury and with Kyle McCord not really
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looking very good in the preseason and training camp, there
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was a need here for someone who could if Jalen
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Hurts got hurt week one week two to step in
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and play.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they know this guy, I mean mcoor put
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up some numbers against them some years ago with Washington,
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he's now on its fourth team. Wows him how times
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have changed for him? But yeah, because here's the reason.
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Mccart's clearly not ready to be emergency backup. Meaning if
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McKee's not ready, what it sure sounds like he won't be.
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That's why they made this trade most likely. But if
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McKee's not ready week one and they didn't make this
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trade for how it tells you that they don't think
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m court's ready to be that guy had hurt, scotten hurt.
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We're folks. Transactions always tell you something, even when you
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don't think it. So they do. There's a reason by
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everything that NFL teams do, there's reasoning here, and it's
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the Tanner McKeon finger injury. Now, the unfortunate part is
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they're doing it so late. If Sam How's the backup
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for week one and Hurts gets hurt, he hasn't hadded much.
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Speaker 3: Exposure to this offense, so it's it's.
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Speaker 2: Late to do it. But you know, it's not like
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they planned Tanner McKee to get hurt two weeks ago,
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a week and a half ago.
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Speaker 3: So it is what it is.
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Speaker 1: Is right now. The Eagles prayer is that Jalen Hurts
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does not suffer an injury in Week one and we'll
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see how long the McKey thing is. Doesn't sound like
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it'll be long. It was non surgical, But even with
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an experienced kuy like Howell, as Adam just said he
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doesn't know the Eagles offense, they would have to severely
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dumb it down. If Sam Howell, I mean they run
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a lot anyway. But the point is they really need
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Jaillen to stay healthy.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, they weren't going to go into Week
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one with Kyle McCory as their second quarterback. That's just
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not going to get it done. And it was just
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a matter of who they were going to acquire because
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Tanner McKee with the finger likely wasn't going to be
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available for Week one. There's a lot of quarterback names
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that may have shaken that are going to shake free.
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But you're able to get the short thing somebody that
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without having to guess your roster is stabilized there at
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the quarterback position and you can kind of go into
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it and make those decisions.
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Speaker 1: So one thing that's strange to me, the Eagles are
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going to say whenever they publicly comment about the trade,
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they're going to say that this is not as much
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about the McKee injury as it is getting depth. They
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like to have depth. You're adding a quarterback. But I'm
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not sure they make this trade if McKee is fully healthy.
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And they're going to say, I know some people have
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already seen it out there, say, well, by having Sam Howell,
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they can trade McKee next offseason. They're probably going to
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get a really good deal for him, and then Howell
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sort of becomes the Kenny Pickett, the veteran backup because
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McCord won't be ready. But Howell is in the last
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year of his deal, so there is no guarantee he
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will be with the Eagles in twenty twenty six. So
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the idea that this is another depth pick up for
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the long term as opposed to the short term, to me,
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is not a that's a fallacious argument.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's kind of like with Mechi, right Mechi's on
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the final yours deal, So Statson, sure le Eagles can get
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an idea of what Mechi could provide for them, assuming
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he makes a team, which we all, I'm sure have
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him on our fifty three. They've got this season to
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evaluate them and then see if they want to bring
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him back. But once you're a free agent, you could
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do what you want. You could shop your services to anybody.
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So you have to see how that shakes out. But
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yet again, transactions tell you a story. Now what I
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will find interesting is do they put McKee on short
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term I r at Tuesday?
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Speaker 3: On Tuesday, at the deadline, we'll see.
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Speaker 1: Well that would be what four weeks, right at least? Yes, yeah,
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I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, No, that's a good question.
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That is a good question. It's non surgical, so you
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would think of a finger injury that doesn't require surgery,
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you'd be able to be back within five weeks. But
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to your point at him, maybe they're doing it just
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to keep somebody on the roster a little extra longer,
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a week or two before they have to make a decision. Also,
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so that'll be interesting as well. Right before we get
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into our fifty three man roster projection, the Eagles helped
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us out by making a move pretty early in the process. Again,
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the deadline is four o'clock on Tuesday, that they have
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to be down by fifty three. But they waved Lewis scene.
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The uh they say dB, he I only saw him
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practicing at safety. Is that Andrew did juicee him.
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Speaker 2: He was hurt by the way, you know, he was
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waved injured.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, waiver.
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Speaker 4: He was on crutches in the locker room.
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Speaker 1: On Friday night. Wow yeah, wow, Which is a shame
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but also a microcosm of his career. He makes a
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really nice interception and then somewhere along the line gets
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hurt after that and it has to be waved injured.
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But he didn't play any other position outside of safety, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: They said dB in their in their social a lot.
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Speaker 2: Most teams do that anyway, they don't differentiate. I think
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sometimes on purpose.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, probably probably. There was a lot of Lewis
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scene truthers in the comments early in the year inside
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the Bird channels, and we said it was gonna be
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a long shot for him to make the team. It
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was worth having him on the practice squad last year.
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I'm sorry on the fifty three last year and keeping
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him and retaining him to see what he could offer.
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But to mine knowledge, Andrew, you can correct me. He
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may have gotten a few second team reps when there
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were injuries to Makooba, but he was mostly third.
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Speaker 4: Team and it was really early. It was really it
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was actually on the day where Saquon went wild. It
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was like a sixty six degree day. It was overcast.
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That was the only day that I can remember Lewis
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seene one taking second team reps. But also he had
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a pass breakup. But aside from that, it was a
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very nondescript camp, so he was he really didn't get
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a lot of run. He was thirteen.
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Speaker 1: Do you guys feel will be fair to say that
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Max and Hook actually looked a little bit more like
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a viable back and play. He's not gonna make the
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fifty three, but I mean he probably had a better
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camp than seen. Is that fair to say?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, both guys didn't get a ton of reps, but
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in the preseason and scene was banged up. I thought
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Max and Hook proved that he belonged, and I think
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that they'll continue to develop him on the practice squad.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was an interesting player, Adam. I mean I
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kind of liked watching him play. He seemed to be
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heady nowhere in there, and if he had a chance
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to put a hit on somebody.
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Speaker 2: He would put a hit on some hives. He had
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really good size. He's just he's just not the athlete
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that you're looking for at the safety position, to be
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a guy whould dress every week. Is on the fifty
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three men roster. So I'll be interested to see. And
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I don't know. I haven't seen your guys fifty three,
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so I don't know, but I know Andre Sam's the
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guy they really like. It's it'll be interesting to see
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what happens with Andre Sam. He's real close. He's on
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my top sixty if we did top sixty.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, guy after the game on Friday, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Okay, how did anything interesting from him?
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Speaker 4: He thought he had a so so performance against the Browns,
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but he thought he performed well against the Jets, and
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he was happy with his with his showing in the
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first game. He had a good camp. And I think
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between Tristan McCollum and Andre Sam, Tristan McCollum is the
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more ready at the safety position. He's more ready there.
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Andre Sam's a better special teams player.
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Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, all right, good stuff, Okay, Adam. Before we
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get into the fifty three, let's say I already mentioned
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four o'clock Tuesday is the roster cut down deadline. Give
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us the sequence after that as far as waivers, and
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then injury report for the first game.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is interesting. So, yeah, you could have less
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than fifty three if you want, but you can't go
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over fifty three players. And then Wednesday at twelve Eastern
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is when the waiver claims are processed. And around twelve
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thirty what happens is it's they give a time frame.
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It's somewhere between like twelve twenty and one o'clock eastern.
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Team clubs could start to form their seventeen man practice
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squad sixteen players plus one international player. So matt Leo
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was with several years when it works for the Eagles
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and Vakalahi. If Egles want to have him on there
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as the seventeenth guy, they can do that. And then
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next Monday at four the first injury report for the
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Thursday night game versus those cowboys who come into Philly.
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So and they have to buy by league rule, even
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though it's a short week, you still have to release
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three injury reports. So there'll be one out Monday, Tuesday,
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Wednesday of next week.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, these next few days are like a whirlwind. I
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mean you go from like the roster cut down to
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the waiver and then right into the first injury report
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and it just happens in a flash. But that's cool
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because that means real, meaningful NFL football is very close
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upon us.
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Speaker 2: One more thing, when and you'll see agents do this.
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I warned Mike Gill about this. Mike brought up a
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really good point in Front Football four. Just because a
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player is on the roster on Tuesday at twelve at
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four pm Eastern, just not me, and he'll be on
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it on Wednesday at four eastern. You're allowed to not
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cut anyone when you claim a player. Only at this
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way of odd rules, like at twelve eastern on Wednesday,
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you could claim players, but you when the next personnel
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notice comes out Eastern, you got to cut somebody to
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make room. If you don't, if you're over the limit.
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So these agents, these young agents, when they go on
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Twitter and to congratulate their players to humiliating when the
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player gets cut, I would warn those young agents say
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absolutely nothing publicly, absolutely no.
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Speaker 1: That's a really good point. How long do you have
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between claiming the player and then the corresponding wave.
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Speaker 3: That you have to make for Yeah, it's twelve eastern
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and then for eastern on Wednesday.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, got it. So there's a couple of hours there
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where you technically have fifty four players.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, technically right right now. I don't know do they
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have to turn in by three? Eestern? I know the
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personnel notice comes out at four o'clock. Clubs get it first.
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I don't know, you know, I don't know do they
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have to be turned in three I don't know what
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the rule is, but anyway, it's it's it sucks when
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agents do this. I just and these poor players because
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they're told because the agent feels so good. You know,
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they're in their twenties. Hey man, you made it, and
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congratulate you on Twitter.
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Speaker 1: Oops. Yeah, that is rough. All right, good stuff. Now
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we get into our fifty three man roster projections. We've
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all done them. I believe you know. We're gonna we've
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already talked a little bit. We're gonna agree and disagree
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at the same time on some of these players and
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who makes it and who doesn't make it. We'll start
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obviously with quarterback, and to me, like the Sam Howell
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addition through a monkey wrench into the thing because I
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had to then take a player off of the fifty
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three who I had on because I had to accommodate
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for what I thought was gonna be or I think
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will be four quarterbacks hurts McKee, Howell and McCord. I'm
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keeping holm Accord, not because I think he deserves it,
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but that will be a repetitive theme throughout this fifty three.
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And I would guarantee you guys too, have guys on
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your fifty three that probably don't deserve it, but are
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either draft picks or kept for a certain reason. So
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I kept for I have a feeling you guys did
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not agree with me on that. Adam, I'll start with you.
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Speaker 2: You would be correct.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, the the you're cutting jail hurts. Really No,
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I'm just kidding. No.
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Speaker 2: But your theory you're because I know what you're thinking
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is like Holie has this history of keeping his draft
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picks even if they don't perform, at least give him
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one more year to develop. The problem is, if you're
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keeping a guy who didn't perform, you then have to
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keep You got to cut somebody else, maybe that you
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wanted to keep it. It's not easy. This is a
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tough one. I have like four iterations of my fifty three.
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I said, all right, I'm gonna go with what I
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know what I saw him training camp, Like I forgot
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Matt Pryor. I saw him play left tackle and practice
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at left tackle rather. That surprised me when he was
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doing hmm, okay, do they need twelve offensive lineman?
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Speaker 4: No?
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Speaker 2: But anyway, so yeah, I don't see that. I well, see,
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here's the thing. We don't know if we'll put McKee
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on sure term. I are so right now, I've got it.
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Hurts McKee in hell. Now, obviously they could save a
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spot if they put McKee on.
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Speaker 1: They could, so that we should keep that in mind.
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McKee going on, I r would allow them to keep
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another player. Andrew, did you keep four or three?
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Speaker 4: Three? It's gonna be Hurts McKee and how Kyle McCord.
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I have them waving right.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to one point on Howell's contract
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here to where I kept him on and sort of
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disagree with you guy. I agree he did not make
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it on Merrit col McCord. However, if Sam Howell had
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a second year on his deal, I would have waived
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McCord because then you could see even if they move
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mc key next offseason, you have Hurtz Howell for another
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year and then you can draft a developmental quarterback next year.
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But because of that, they don't. I'm keeping McCord on
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and giving him that chance to come back. Do I
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think that there's a chance, even though he played poorly,
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that some other team would claim him off waivers if
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the Eagles waved him. Yeah, I do so that's part
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of my thinking of why I kept him on. All right,
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so we'll see who what other positions we went deeper
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and thinner at At running back, so I was running back,
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let's call it running back slash full back, Andrew, who
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did you keep.
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Speaker 4: Sae Kwon Barkley, Will Shipley, AJ Dillon and at fullback
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Ben van Zumeran got.
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Speaker 1: It makes a lot of sense there, So that would
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before there's.
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Speaker 4: A lot of suspense there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk real quick before Adam I
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get yours about Montreal Johnson Junior. I was really impressed
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with him as a zone runner, meaning when the Eagles
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were in shotgun and they ran their prototypical inside zone.
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He has a nice jump cut. Adam brought this up,
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I think last week in a recent pod. He saw
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him be able to score the touchdown on it when
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they went under center. The offense in general looked terrible
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in that preseason game, and he would get stop behind scrimmage.
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I don't I don't really find fault with that, but
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where I do think Montreal Johnson left a little bit
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desired as his wiggle. I think he's got good speed,
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good straight line burst, but I didn't really see him
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get himself out of He was no Henry Josie felt. Nah,
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he just didn't show to me a whole lot of wiggle.
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But I like the idea of having him on the
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practice squad, and I think he fits the zone run
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offense really well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's not. He's not a make you miss
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tape for an. You have to understand what he is
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and what he's not. But he's got a great build.
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He's the kind of guy you really don't want to
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wave because this is a guy who's really well liked
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in scouting circles. I could Eagles credit. There were some
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other teams involved and trying to sign as an undrafted
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free agent, and boy, I'll tell you what Andrew before
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he got hurt, he was one of those wild players.
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I was like, oh boy, okay, let's see if le's
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continue to sin they got hurt. What do you think
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of Johnson in practice?
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Speaker 4: I liked him a lot out of all the undrafted
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free agents right off the bat, watching him move. He belongs.
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And I had a chance to talk to him after
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the Browns game and he mentioned, yeah, I've missed a
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lot of time with the hamstring injury. He had to
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do a lot of pool work with the treadmill, with
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the treadmill to strengthen the hamstring. But I said, what
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do you feel you've proven to the coaches at this time?
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And he said explosiveness, that I can pass protect, that
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I can catch the football and do more than just
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be a pure runner. And they also use him as
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a kick returner as well. I think they have something
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there and want to continue to develop that on the
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practice squad.
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Speaker 1: Stuff. By the way, on your Van sumerin point, you
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saw him catch a pass from a cord. Yeah, Eagles
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did an excellent job for the most part of hiding
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Van Sumer the first game he didn't even play on offense.
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I continue to say this, and I'm sure this is
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the only podcast that anyone has heard this on, but
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I believe Van Sumrin will carve out some poor man's
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Kyle Yuschik rule. I do think they want to get
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at times the ball in his hand to create mismatches
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when the defense is in base, because when he's on
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the field with another running back, the defense is going
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to be in base. They're gonna have extra linebackers. And
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Ben van Schumeran is a great athlete and he can
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beat linebackers, and we know he has great hands. So again,
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I'm not talking about a big part of the offense.
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But you looked at the forty nine ers. They have
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so many guys who touched the ball when they had
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Ayuk and when they had Debo, and when they had
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Kittle and when they had Cemac, but they still got
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the ball to Kyle Yuschik in certain areas that created
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good mismatches.
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Speaker 2: I find way he could take on that role that
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Avery Williams was supposed to take on at Siriani bragged
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about in March. You know what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 1: There. You go about Avery in a little bit, but
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go ahead.
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Speaker 3: No, you don't have him on your roster, Okay, No,
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I have a.
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Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to seeing for fans to be able
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to see the kind of athlete that Ben Van Sumer
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is glimpses. You may have heard about it, you may
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have read our stuff, but he's one of the better
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athletes on the team, and he could do a multitude
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of things.
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Speaker 2: Andrew, was he your rookie diary two years ago? If
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I'm not mistaken, that was all right? Okay, okay, gotcha, Okay,
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I'm sorry, but I know you've got to know, all right,
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So I've got it. Let's quickly go Barkley, Shipley, Dylan
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and BVS.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That that that. That didn't take me very.
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Speaker 1: Long, Yes, okay, and for me it was just three.
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I'm bringing aj Dillon back to the practice squad. Nobody
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wanted him in the off season. He signed for a
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very low number. I would I had him on originally
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until the Howl trade, but I think the Eagles can
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get away with getting him on the practice squad elevating him.
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But I do think he'll eventually be on the fifty three.
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I think it's gonna be one of those roster tango
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wink wink.
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Speaker 4: Not I could see it, but it might be. It
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might be getting a little too cute.
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Speaker 1: You know, well, yes, and running backs. There's going to
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be fifteen running backs on the waiver when the.
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Speaker 3: Team that is a heavy running team.
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Speaker 2: He looked good. He's all the way back once you
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cut him. Because these contracts terminated, he's not subject to waivers.
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He could sign. He can go anywhere he once he
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controls his destiny. Yeah, that's that's the I hear you
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on that. But there are other players to do that with.
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Speaker 1: All right, well, well you're right, I mean, I guess
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you have to worry about the Cowboys always trying to
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snipe somebody's running.
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Speaker 4: Back running on kick returns. It's been Will Shipley and
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AJ Dillon.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, how about Dylan on there? Yeah, I did see that.
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Speaker 1: That was a fair point. All right, wide receiver, h
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Let's start with you, Adam, How made you.
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Speaker 2: Keep six Brown? Smith, Dotson, Mechi Cooper and I Smith
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for variety? As he came on, he could also pump return.
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He's probably the best punt returner. He looks good. He's
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finally healthy. He never was really healthy last year. To me,
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this is like I called his rookie season.
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Speaker 3: US.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he was with the team last year. He Techicley's
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not a rookie, but he didn't really he just had
19:04
no rookie season, so he took what he learned. He
19:07
was healthy. I know in the beginning of training camp
19:09
he was a little slow. Didn't see a lot. It's
19:11
training camp progress. He was better. I understand the hands.
19:14
Every once in a while you could say they got
19:17
to be better. He's worth developing. This kid's got something.
19:20
There's no question about it.
19:21
Speaker 4: Andrew AJ Brown, Deavonte Smith, Johan Dowson, John Metchi the third,
19:27
and Darius Cooper Noahnya smith.
19:33
Speaker 2: Y.
19:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're just my thinking here is that an I
19:36
as you can get him to the practice squad, maybe
19:38
elevate him if need be. He did have a misread
19:42
on one of the pump returns. He had a couple
19:43
of drops. Obviously you don't make you're just the final
19:47
preseason game, but when you see when it comes down
19:50
to decision making, that may make the team a little
19:52
weary as to deploying him out there in a regular
19:55
season game. There there could be well, there wuld likely
19:59
be some other names. Maybe an old friend Brittain Cubby
20:02
could potentially shake free from the RAMS and I just
20:06
think that you might be able to find a more
20:07
suitable option on the waiver wire.
20:10
Speaker 1: All right, very interesting, uh insight there, I am like
20:13
Adam and I kept six. But I'm gonna make everybody
20:16
mad because I also cut an Eye A Smith and
20:18
I kept Avery Williams. And I don't care that he
20:20
doesn't deserve it. I believe he doesn't deserve it. But
20:23
I believe they brought him here for a reason. I
20:25
don't think Nick Sirianni was lying when he got excited
20:27
about him and he had an injury in OTAs Andrew,
20:31
you just made the point that we know this guy
20:33
can return punts. He didn't do it a whole lot.
20:35
He was actually what the protector.
20:36
Speaker 4: Now, he was the backup personal protector on punt behind
20:39
shit personal protector.
20:41
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, but I got I just got a weird
20:43
feeling sometimes he goes do these strange things, and I
20:45
got a feelings this is the guy Siriani wanted. So
20:48
I kept them.
20:49
Speaker 4: But why why they used him at punt returner after
20:52
an Ia Smith and I got he opened the game.
20:56
Speaker 1: Sometimes, you know, sometimes you're trying to find out more
20:59
about a guy right then, so you give him a
21:02
lot of reps. I mean they gave Devin White a
21:04
thousand thousand reps right until they decided he wasn't going
21:07
to be their their linebacker. So I think they know
21:10
what Avery Williams can do. And I just can't get
21:13
over the way Nick Sirianni gushed about him. They had
21:15
a plan and maybe it would be wapping to it.
21:19
Wait listen, it would be one thing if he started
21:21
off camp, didn't perform well and got lower. This guy
21:25
was never even given as far as when we watched,
21:28
the opportunity to show what he would do. And I
21:30
think that there's some intentionality to that soul.
21:34
Speaker 2: But what you've trained, what it sounded like the meat
21:36
the other teams could see it. Why would you not
21:39
you sign him as a gadget player and a returner
21:41
and do something on special teams? Right? Yeah, the thing
21:44
that's here he and I talked about. I mean I remember,
21:47
I remember you and I did a show. We were like, wow,
21:49
Nick talks three.
21:49
Speaker 3: Minutes about this guy that's not like him, and he
21:52
never did. Andrew, did you see anything from him as
21:54
an offensive parker?
21:55
Speaker 4: He's done nothing and he was even on the first
21:57
team kickoff. Usually that might if you're would to carve
22:00
out a role there. Maybe he barely returned punts in
22:03
camp it was usually a nice then there were there
22:07
was some Johan Dotson. So Johan Dotson would be a
22:09
player in my scenario that that could possibly do it
22:12
if they don't find another option on the waiver wire.
22:16
Speaker 1: You guys are making a lot of sense. I know,
22:18
I stuck my neck out on this one. I feel
22:20
like if a Nias Smith had had a great camp
22:22
instead of his Andrew described it as kind of an
22:24
up and down.
22:25
Speaker 4: He had the.
22:25
Speaker 1: Touchdown, he had the putt return, but he also had
22:27
some drops and you know, some uncertainty. I feel like
22:29
if a Nias was no doubt about it the guy,
22:33
then I would have put him on. But because he
22:35
didn't prove that, I feel like they can get him
22:37
onto the squad and they will go with Avery Williams
22:40
and we'll just see.
22:41
Speaker 4: I really like Annias. He has a good mindset. He
22:45
is a lot more confident. I spoke to him after
22:47
the game on Friday. He didn't believe he had very
22:51
a very good game, but he was. He felt good
22:53
about the summer that he had. But you know, he
22:56
has the right mindset for it. If he doesn't make it,
22:58
he'll bounce back right.
23:00
Speaker 1: Good stuff tight ends Adam.
23:01
Speaker 2: How many boy I would in my initial fifty three
23:06
high grantson because I know the Eagles like him a lot,
23:09
but he just doesn't block well enough. This is why
23:12
you could put veterans on a practical he's a vested veteran,
23:14
so it's contract terminated. You work it out with the agent.
23:17
We won him back, but we got some young players
23:19
we don't want expose to waivers. That's that's the way
23:22
I see this going down, and I also could obviously
23:24
see him making it. This is the probably the toughest
23:27
one I had on offense is what to do with
23:29
Kylon Granton. And then the McKee thing put a quagmire
23:32
on it because they may keep him if they think
23:36
will be back by like week two. Of them, you
23:38
wouldn't put him on IR. So that's the struggle I
23:40
had with this one. But right now I don't have
23:41
Grantson on it, just two tens Andrew.
23:46
Speaker 4: I have Dallas Goddter, Grant Kakatara and E. J. Jenkins. Now,
23:49
the reason why I have A J. Jenkins on there
23:52
is because of his blocking prowess. The Eagles lost Johnny
23:54
Wilson for the season. Obviously, Nick Sirianni intimated that we're
23:58
going to look at who we have internally as well
24:00
as you know how he's going to look outside to
24:02
find a player who can fulfill that role and do
24:04
the dirty work in the block. And I think EJ
24:07
can do it. He was a collegiate wide receiver. He
24:10
can move him around a little bit. He liked the frame.
24:12
He can also help on special teams.
24:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrestled with it. I kept too like Adam,
24:17
I only went with Goddard in Calcatarra. I feel like
24:19
you can get grantson and EJ on your practice squad
24:22
and then so.
24:23
Speaker 4: Now there are teams that there are teams they like EJ. Jenkins,
24:27
by the way, I like you.
24:28
Speaker 1: I thought there were last year too, right. I thought
24:31
you that there were some teams that were interested in
24:33
them last year. But I think that they'll be able
24:36
to pay him on the practice squad and competitively, and
24:39
if they need to, they'll probably guarantee that he'll be
24:42
elevated pretty quickly as maybe even the first three weeks
24:46
until a roster moves made. I agree with the whole
24:49
idea that Kyle and Grantson doesn't give you anything differently
24:52
than you're already get from calcat I mean, he may
24:55
have a little more burst than Calcatara, but the bottom
24:57
line is you're getting pass catcher from cal Katara. You're
25:00
a pass catcher from Dallas Goddard who's also a blocker.
25:03
EJ to me would be the one to elevate sooner,
25:06
because if you want to be in twelve personnel and
25:09
you want to block, you need EJ.
25:10
Speaker 4: And by the way, Van Sumern, I mean we talk
25:13
about Kylon Grantson sort of being in that h back mold.
25:16
If you already have Van Sumer as your fullback, that's
25:18
kind of redundant.
25:19
Speaker 1: In my why I didn't put Ej on the fifty
25:21
three Andrew thinking that that you could have Van sumer
25:25
and in that sort of twenty two personnel role instead
25:28
of twelve.
25:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I look at it, going five receivers for
25:31
me and only two tight ends would be really lean
25:32
in terms of skill players.
25:34
Speaker 1: Good point. All right, that's right, because me and Adam
25:36
went six receivers. That's probably why we went later on
25:39
the tight end area. All right, offensive line, this is
25:42
gonna be a fun one. How many? Adam?
25:44
Speaker 2: All right, so past the starting five, I've got ten.
25:48
I went back and forth with Lamb and hit in prior.
25:52
Not that Prior would be off of it, but had
25:55
I'd not seen prior taking left tackle snaps and he did.
25:58
I don't know how many days I saw, but he
26:00
was doing it. I'm like, huh, Well, if they think
26:04
he could play left tackle, be a backup fill in
26:06
for a little bit, do they need to keep Kenna Lamb?
26:08
I know Lamb could play right or left tackle. That
26:10
that one. That was one where I went back and
26:13
forth what to do with him. Kennel Lamb's contract. Let
26:17
me take a look at it as we speak, one year,
26:20
one point five million. They guaranteed half of it, just
26:23
about roughly half of it. That's a cuttable contract. It
26:27
wouldn't surprise me if they cut him. Wudn't surprise me
26:29
if he was on it. But right now I only
26:30
have ten. So here here are the backups, Drew Kendall,
26:34
Matt pryor Miles Hinton. They're not cutting him. I don't
26:36
know how. I know he's wrang, but they want to
26:38
develop into the future swing tackle. The legendary Brett Toath
26:43
you're seven, and Darrin Cannard because he could. They did
26:46
cross trayon a little bit of both guard spots and
26:49
right tackle. He would be subject to waivers if they
26:52
cut him. I certainly you could. This is one where
26:55
it's fluid. What you might see Tuesday might change a Wednesday.
26:57
Speaker 1: Uh one agree with you. I think this is fluid.
27:00
This was difficult for me. I kept ten. I kept
27:04
almost everybody you kept. I did not keep Toth. I
27:07
did keep Prior as six, Kendall seven, hitting eight, Canard nine,
27:13
and Camera Williams. I did even though this is one.
27:18
It's one that I don't think deserves it. But tell
27:21
me who the Eagles have as developmental offensive tackles behind
27:25
my Alatta and Lane Johnson. They have hidden just one
27:30
and I they are usually more than one. So I
27:33
think Cannard can play guard. I did not keep Tooth
27:35
because I've said all along, I really don't believe he'll
27:38
make the fifty three. That's where I so I have
27:40
Prior as the swing tackle, like you're saying, Adam and
27:43
Canard as the first guy up at left guard right
27:46
guard if need be. I don't feel great about it.
27:49
I do think, as you said, this is fluid and
27:51
there could possibly be a move here that would negate
27:55
any of this. But for now, I do have Camera
27:57
Williams and hitting making it because they were drafted, and
28:01
they were drafted knowing that Cameron Williams had these limitations
28:05
and Stelton wants to get his hands on him. So
28:08
those are my ten, Andrew, how man did you keep ten?
28:11
Speaker 4: And beyond the starters we went Matt Pryor, Drew Kendall,
28:14
Darren Kennard, Trevor Keagan, and Miles Hinton.
28:17
Speaker 1: Oh wow, so what we all kept? A different interie? Wow,
28:20
you kept Keegan, Adam kept Toath and I kept I
28:24
guess Cameron Williams as an extra tackle. Interesting. I like
28:27
that three different viewpoints. Why did you keep Keegan knowing
28:30
he's been buried and on the third string and also
28:34
trying to be a center which hasn't worked.
28:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he played thirty five snaps last season
28:38
and he was banged up a little bit, when in
28:41
this year he's proven that he can play all three
28:43
interior positions, give you some versatility potentially in a game
28:47
day situation. They just drafted him in the fifth round.
28:50
If you know, based on the way that I have
28:53
mind structured, if you're parting with some current draft picks,
28:57
I think you're gonna want to retain somebody who you
28:58
invested a fifth round pick, want to continue to work
29:00
on him.
29:01
Speaker 3: Fair.
29:02
Speaker 1: Fair. I think the big takeaway from all of us
29:05
is that, despite our differences on that tenth is that
29:08
we all had Kendall limb Off the fifty three.
29:11
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, that's the prime.
29:13
Speaker 4: At the time, he didn't have a good camp.
29:17
Speaker 1: We thought this was going to be the Fred Johnson backup, right, Andrew,
29:21
you know, and and you like you're saying you just
29:23
didn't show up. Well, how much did he play?
29:28
Speaker 2: He started in that game, he started.
29:30
Speaker 1: The third preseason game, and he played like a decent amount, right, Yeah.
29:34
Speaker 4: And he gave up a lot of pressure on that
29:35
first drive too.
29:36
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, to the Jets backups, it's not like you know,
29:39
Will Uh, what's who the Jets pass rushers is the
29:43
kid from Iowa State they got. I can't remember his
29:46
name McDonald, does it? Yes, he wasn't playing. Jermaine Johnson was,
29:51
now I don't think so.
29:52
Speaker 4: No, they wouldn't be out there all right, So.
29:54
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29:58
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let's go with the interior defensive line. Andrew, I'll start
31:08
with you. How many you keep? Six?
31:11
Speaker 4: Baylon Carter, Jordan Davis, Morojomo Ty Robinson, Gabe Hall and
31:16
Byron Young who as Vic vanjoever first to as b y.
31:19
Speaker 1: Oh you know you were in good with with Vic
31:21
when when he's actually given you a nickname and not
31:24
like talking about your limitations?
31:25
Speaker 2: Hey, would you say, be why Bright Young's in the
31:28
Hall of Fame? Different player, but.
31:31
Speaker 3: You know what he might have actually.
31:33
Speaker 1: Did?
31:33
Speaker 2: He coach it?
31:36
Speaker 4: But to expand on on this be why why I
31:39
kept him. He can serve the as the backup nos,
31:41
which Thomas Booker did last season, and he got a
31:45
handful of first team reps later in in training camp.
31:48
He had the groin injury, missed some time, but the
31:50
Eagles had him in the building last year. He was
31:53
in the meeting room. He got to learn under Clint Hurt.
31:55
I think they want to continue to see that through.
31:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Adam, What do you got same exactly
32:00
the same YEA Brian Young did was not coached by Vic. Yeah,
32:04
I did. Yeah, I This one didn't take long.
32:07
Speaker 3: The big ones, Gay Hall.
32:08
Speaker 2: He's got length, which you just love as a seven
32:11
technique in this front, the heat you could move him around,
32:14
which we saw in training camp. The light went off. Man,
32:17
I'll tell you what last year didn't I know, Vic
32:19
talked about he was coming back from an injury, but
32:21
that the knock on him and scotting circles is a
32:23
lack of energy and passion. It's part of white and
32:26
get drafted. But that that to me was out the doorman.
32:27
They got got it. And you got to give Clint
32:29
heartthur d Line coach credit. He reached this kid. We
32:31
talked about that when they signed him last year after
32:34
the draft, coming out of Baylor. This is the guy
32:36
that they need to be able to reach. And I
32:38
coaching is this coaching staff, folks, and Andrew, I know
32:41
you're there all the time.
32:42
Speaker 3: It's the help of coaching staff, not just the players.
32:44
Speaker 2: The coach really is, really is.
32:49
Speaker 4: In fact, I did it. I did a show the
32:52
with Tim McManus from ESPN dot com for The Fanatic,
32:56
and I dedicated a segment to talking about the coach.
32:59
A highlight some of the coaches, the assistant coaches who
33:02
have done a nice job with his player development.
33:05
Speaker 2: Good.
33:05
Speaker 1: I had all six two, so this is our first
33:07
clean sweep. Honestly, it wasn't I think Adam said this.
33:11
It was really not hard to you just wanted to
33:14
see that Gabe Hal and Byron Young made significant progress
33:20
from year one, and it looks like Clinton Hurt has
33:23
done a nice job. I was having a conversation with
33:25
an AFC personnel guy who scouted Gabe Young coming out
33:28
of college at a Baylor Gabeil sorry, gabble. I just
33:31
put them together, gabble, and I said, man, he's really
33:35
played well. And the guy said to me, he said,
33:38
is he playing tough though, right? I said, yeah, you
33:41
know what I think he is. It looks like it.
33:43
And he said, And this personnel guy said to me,
33:46
athleticism and talent was never the question. It was just
33:49
is he going to play hard and play tough? And
33:51
I you know, it's hard to say play tough. I mean,
33:53
he's alignment. They all looked tough to me. But I
33:55
thought he was doing a good job, using his hands,
33:57
using his feet, getting off blocks, staying healthy, stay in games.
34:00
He did have a little bit of an injury and
34:02
came back I think pretty quickly in camp from it.
34:04
So my shoulder. Yeah, he had older yeah, Yeah, the
34:07
light looks like it came on for him as far
34:10
as I got to get out there play and play
34:12
hard and Andrew I think he might even also have
34:16
enough size if need be, and athleticism to play that
34:19
backup nos. Also if Jordan Davis was not in the game.
34:24
Speaker 4: He's two ninety five. That's that's a little light, but
34:28
it's young Byron young might be he's over three hundred.
34:32
He looks he.
34:33
Speaker 1: Seemed like he was sort of in the same to
34:35
ninety eight.
34:36
Speaker 4: Could be he had he has sort of the build
34:38
for it. Games a little longer at six six, Byron's
34:41
sort of I think he might be six three ish.
34:44
But I talked to Gabe how after the Browns game
34:46
and I said, what click for you? He said, I
34:48
got stronger and just ball. Now it's just being in
34:52
the building and being in the meetings, and now you're
34:55
seeing that manifest and you know in the summer that
34:57
he's had who's.
34:58
Speaker 1: The one that told you that? Getting his ass kicked
35:01
by Landon Dickerson all the game good was the light?
35:05
The light was I got it. I'm getting my ass kicked.
35:08
That's probably embarrassing. He's probably got the circle. You know
35:10
how Vic does that right? He points out all your
35:12
bad play. I mean, at some point your pride's gonna
35:15
take take over or you're just gonna not be a
35:17
player in the game. And he decided to be a player.
35:19
So good for the Eagles on that one. Let's move
35:21
to outside linebacker, slash edge, whatever you want to call it.
35:25
This edge, yes, edge, This was really difficult for me.
35:29
Uh and this is Adam, Like you said, with offensive
35:32
line could be fluid. I think this is fluid. I'll wait,
35:36
I'll get Andrews first. Andrew, who'd you go with on
35:38
the edge? Here?
35:39
Speaker 5: Uh?
35:40
Speaker 4: Five of them? No one Smith, Jay Looks, h josh Ousha,
35:43
Aziz Ojulari, and Patrick Johnson. So I kept uh, Antoine
35:50
Powellryland off. And I don't know that you can afford
35:54
the luxury of just stashing someone who isn't going to
35:57
be able to help you this season. And he's a
35:59
long ways away off and I had a lengthy conversation
36:02
with him after the game on Friday. And then you
36:05
also have to look at the special teams upside. He
36:07
played six snaps in the finale, two steps in the
36:10
opener isn't really going to help you there either. Where
36:12
someone like Patrick Johnson is a core special teamer and
36:16
he shows up every every August and he's made the
36:18
team out of camp since being drafted by the Eagles
36:22
in twenty twenty one.
36:24
Speaker 1: I think everything you said makes sense, Adam, who do
36:26
you got?
36:28
Speaker 2: So? Edges Smith hunt oushe Ojlarka is the contract. You
36:33
could debate whether he really should be on the team.
36:36
The guarantee on his contract three millions. He'll learn over four,
36:39
but the true guarantee that's signing this three million exactly.
36:44
That's not how he usually doesn't walk away from contract,
36:46
I understand. Other than the game in week two where
36:48
he showed up looked good. Trenton camp, he just you
36:51
look at step slow or something. I didn't see it,
36:55
but the contract and may look he plays a certain way.
36:58
We talked about this week's ago draft. If you didn't
37:01
know his game, he'd say, boy, he takes those long strides.
37:04
He doesn't look natural sometimes, but man, they know this player.
37:08
There's a reason why he was brought here. So I've
37:11
got Ojelari.
37:11
Speaker 3: On it for now.
37:13
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have APR on here. I've learned my lesson
37:15
with Howie sometimes where because I know he's he's talked
37:19
about this before. Over you're going back since he's been
37:22
the general manager, particularly last seven eight years when he
37:24
got his power back. If it doesn't look good, you're one.
37:28
In training camp, you're one. You just can't cut the player,
37:31
or you have to least see something right. If the
37:33
guy looked that Donald Rumfrey, you could have said seventeen
37:35
should have been cut, and they correct Well, they didn't
37:38
correct the mistake. They knew he didn't deserve to be there,
37:41
but they still kept him here one because they want
37:43
to see in the off season year two, does he
37:45
have anything we look at APR. I know that the
37:47
last preseason gave me showed up a little bit training camp.
37:50
I mean he really was with the threes mostly, he
37:54
didn't really see.
37:54
Speaker 3: A lot from him.
37:55
Speaker 2: But this guy was Hoghy product in college. I get
37:57
that was then, this is now. It's not like how
38:00
to give up on a player. Typically I would have
38:02
cut Power Island off my fifty three. But I know
38:05
the way how he feels about developing players, and I
38:08
don't feel like he'll want to walk away from a
38:10
guy who's very productive in college.
38:12
Speaker 1: I'm in agree with Adam. I kept six, Powell Island
38:15
and Johnson. Yeah, I kept the top four, right, and
38:18
I kept APR and Patrick Johnson. Patrick Johnson's going to
38:21
be active. He's going to be your main special teamer.
38:24
He'll probably even be you know, if there's injuries first
38:26
off the bench at edge Way before Powell Island. Powell
38:29
Island will be inactive every game of the year unless
38:32
things really go south. But if he played any other
38:35
position than edge rusher, I would have had him cut.
38:37
But I agree with what you said about Howie. We've
38:39
seen them keep certain players on the roster, whether it
38:43
Lewis Scene or Eli Rix that they had no intention
38:46
of really playing, but they want to not exposed the
38:48
waivers and find out more about and I kept them.
38:51
So that's why I went light at tight end with
38:53
two and went light at running back and cutting Dylan
38:56
as well. So I kept him. We'll see, We'll see
38:59
what happens with him if you, like I said, if
39:01
here's any other position, I wouldn't, but it's eye rusher.
39:03
But I have no anticipation to this guy playing, but
39:05
we really should have a broader discussion now about the
39:07
top four of Hunt Smith O Jali and I'm concerned.
39:11
You know, Nolan Smith is only playing one side of
39:14
the line of scrimmage, Vic said because of his shoulder.
39:16
The other shoulder I was bothering him a little bit,
39:18
and he's already had the triceps injury. I've watched a lot,
39:23
and while I think he has really good fast corner speed,
39:26
edge speed, I don't think he's bendy. I think that's
39:29
the issue that's probably been with him for the last
39:31
few years. I've seen him get a step on the tackle,
39:34
but then being ride the tackle will ride him wide
39:37
of the quarterback. Yeah, inability to bend and get under.
39:42
So I'm not as we all sit here and record that,
39:44
I'm not sure that you know by the season opener
39:47
this is going to be your top four Hunt Smith.
39:51
I think we all agree with how he has an
39:52
opportunity to upgrade here. He will, but this is what
39:55
we've got to work with, so I'm keeping it.
39:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not that a team's going to trade you
39:59
a a starting level player at edge, but it comes
40:03
always down to this. What grades do they have on
40:06
these players who maybe you are going to be a fourth
40:08
edgeresser for club where a boy they feel so much
40:10
better than the club it has the player now and
40:13
they develop them as a backup initially. Now is a
40:15
team going to trade them an established veteran Highly unlikely,
40:18
not impossible. And that's a position. It's such a premium
40:22
and let's face it, and I agree with you totally.
40:25
I was kind of underwhelmedn't about Andrew. I was kind
40:27
of unerwhelm with her their past rous group in training camp.
40:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was, and vic Van and Joe pretty much
40:32
intimated as much. Every time he was asked about it,
40:35
he said, no, one's really surfaced yet, good or bad.
40:38
He was kind of waiting for that to happen. I
40:40
thought Ozrilari was going to be that guy. He just
40:42
never had that moment where things started to click for
40:45
a consistent period of time. There's been flashes, but not
40:48
nearly consistent enough, and they played them in the final
40:50
preseason game, so I mean they need to see more clearly.
40:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, the only issue in trying to upgrade edge is
40:56
that nobody wants to give away a good edge, So
40:58
you're probably if you're trading for someone, this person probably
41:01
has some kind of flaws as well, So we'll see what.
41:04
Speaker 4: Well, this is where I could see them keeping Okaraqua
41:07
on the practice squad. And you have a veteran guy there, yep.
41:11
And I also had Antoine Powell Ryland on the practice squad,
41:14
so you have a young guy and a veteran to
41:16
sort of supplement.
41:18
Speaker 1: Makes sense there, all right? I actually liked because I
41:21
kept APR. I put Oshaan Mephis along with Uncono on
41:25
the practice squad. All right, I have a feeling we're
41:28
gonna fly through off ball linebacker here, and we all
41:31
have the same I'm not gonna go to do we
41:34
all have four and the four Campbell Bonn, Jeremiah Trotter Junior,
41:37
and Smile Minding yep? And do we all agree this
41:41
is probably the best four sets of the best set
41:44
of linebackers the Eagles have had in.
41:45
Speaker 2: Quite really good, really good, right good stuff.
41:50
Speaker 1: Lance Dixon probably played himself onto the practice squad.
41:52
Speaker 4: I think he got hurt in the game on Friday,
41:55
so we'll have to wait and see what that means.
41:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so that's that, all right? Corner slash nickel.
42:01
I'm gonna combine corner and nickel here in honor of
42:04
Vic Fangio's lexicon. How many Adams?
42:08
Speaker 2: All right, so I've got six Mitchell Jackson McWilliams, Ringo
42:16
because he's a good special teams teamer, Eli Rix, who
42:19
the staff didn't like last year. This year they like
42:21
him a little bit at least. And of course Dejeane.
42:25
This one was like, after you get through four of them,
42:30
then it's like, okay, does ring we're in those The
42:33
fourth corning is what we thought he was. But he
42:35
has some talent. He is a good special teams player.
42:38
Rix has length, he's been there. They've sort of developed
42:41
him a little bit. But this is where to me
42:43
a trade. Is there a corner who's buried in a
42:45
death chart as our veteran or one more thing we
42:49
we should mention, and this is this is probably what happen.
42:51
This is where Wednesday comes in or after week one,
42:54
so you don't have to guarantee a vested veteran salary.
42:56
He doesn't taken termination. Termination not pay some veteran who's
43:01
gonna wind up getting cut. Who the Eagles really like,
43:03
who fits the scheme like, that's that's something they got
43:05
to look at hard here.
43:08
Speaker 1: Okay, so you kept five then right?
43:11
Speaker 3: Five corners and one Nichols de Gene.
43:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, six in total?
43:14
Speaker 4: Okay, Andrew, Quina, Mitchell, Cooper, Dejean, Adorri Jackson, Keelee Ringo,
43:19
Jacoreyan Bennett, and Mac McWilliams.
43:21
Speaker 2: I forget, I'm sorry, let me put Bennett over Rex.
43:24
My bad. I forgot that. I screw that up.
43:25
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Okay, that's right. Okay, So Bennett, go ahead, Andrew,
43:29
go ahead, go.
43:30
Speaker 4: Ahead, Quinna, Mitchell, Cooper, Dejean, a, Dori Jackson, Jacoreyan Bennett,
43:35
Keey Ringo, and Mac McWilliams. So six corners, yeap six?
43:39
You know he gets corner slash Nichols and yeah, Kie
43:43
Ringo's gonna hang on. As Adam said, really good special teamer,
43:47
had one All Pro vote and he was on the
43:49
Pro Bowl ballot. He's he does some good things there.
43:52
If he doesn't see the field defensively, he can help
43:54
the Eagles in the third phase.
43:56
Speaker 1: All right, good stuff makes a lot of sense. What
43:59
I'm gonna do is through this, I'm going I'm of
44:02
the belief that how he is going to try, like
44:05
heck to trade keey Ringo for whatever he can get.
44:07
I had Mitchell Cooper, de Gen, Mac McWilliams of Dori
44:10
Jackson and Jacorey and Bennett as the five corners slash
44:14
Nichols that they're going to keep with Rix on the
44:17
practice squad getting elevated to play special teams with McWilliams
44:21
to make up for the loss of Kiey Ringoli.
44:24
Speaker 4: I wouldn't Eli wouldn't get elevated for special.
44:26
Speaker 1: Teams special teams two years ago.
44:29
Speaker 4: Two years ago, but then last year he played fifty
44:32
one snaps. He's that's just and that's why he was
44:35
only elevated. He played in seven games. That's not his strength.
44:38
He's just a pure cover corner that is fair uh
44:41
as a lankier bill and you know it's it's a
44:44
physical physical Although he's a guy.
44:47
Speaker 2: Certainly if he's waived and it's not claimed, he would
44:50
he would be on my sixteen.
44:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely would put on.
44:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, he would definitely a squad system, there will be
44:57
a corner that they can probably elevate if they want
44:59
for special or just a different player. Like we mentioned
45:02
some of the outside or inside line stack linebackers. But uh,
45:06
I you know, if you're gonna keep Mitchell Dejeene mac
45:09
McWilliams a dory to start off and until Jakoorian Bennett
45:13
is ready and you can't make it trade for another corner.
45:16
I think it makes sense to trade killer Ringo for
45:18
somebody who might give him more of an opportunity because
45:20
you're already burying him on the depth chart now, so
45:23
I get value instead of keeping him just to play
45:25
a small role on Ringo.
45:27
Speaker 2: I look, Ringo is not gonna have any value to trade.
45:30
Speaker 1: It's just you don't think somebody would trade a fifth
45:33
for a third.
45:34
Speaker 2: No, hell no for Ringo. Brian Johnson and I'm bron
45:39
Robinson only yellow to six and there was a reason
45:41
for it. But the guy's a quality running back for Washington.
45:43
Speaker 1: Ringo, Brian Robinson's making three million. That's a whole different and.
45:47
Speaker 2: Took a take. Yeah, but no, but Ringo, but Robinson
45:51
will have a Robinson is a good football player, Ringo.
45:53
We know, we the words around the league with this.
45:56
He's not a starting level player, never will be. He's
45:58
but he's a good special teams player. Yeah, the Eagles
46:02
have had an opportunity to move this guy and over
46:05
the first two years and they kept him, and I
46:09
just based on the conversations I had with other teams.
46:11
There's not a lot of love with Ringo. Doesn't mean
46:13
someone would give a conditional seventh. Sure, of course a fifth.
46:16
I'd be shocked.
46:17
Speaker 1: My fault. Let me reword it. If how he got
46:19
a conditional seventh, I think that he would take it
46:22
because he's not going to play a role of any
46:25
importance on this team, and you can compensate with somebody
46:28
else for his special teams acting. I know he's good,
46:30
but they've got safeties, they've got stack. Somebody can take
46:34
that spot in my opinion, So that's why I left
46:38
him off. Obviously, if he doesn't get traded, it's a
46:41
really good shot he does make it, and then I
46:44
would have to keep six and probably go lighter, maybe
46:47
go back to nine offensive lineman instead of ten, and
46:50
camera Williams becomes the one who's sized off real quick.
46:56
Speaker 2: Guys who starts if if Dickerson's not ready, because we
47:00
didn't know how I had toaf on it.
47:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, I Drew Kendall, Drew Kendall or Darren Cannard.
47:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably Canard right because he's never played the spot
47:10
at least Canards a lot.
47:12
Speaker 4: He's had a really good summer, Drew, so Canard good
47:16
story development. Yeah, right tackle, right guard, left guard. I've
47:21
been saying for a while now, to keep an eye
47:23
on him and and the Eagles like him. That would
47:25
probably be the logical choice if Landon can't go week one.
47:29
Speaker 1: And let me also add this caveat because you know
47:31
we don't. We will not watch practices from now on. Okay,
47:35
they still have a week and a half if they
47:37
want for the next starting today until the season opener,
47:41
to get Tyler Steen some left guard reps if they
47:44
think that Dickerson is not fable, and then put Canard
47:46
in his more natural right guard spot. I can see
47:49
that being the case too.
47:51
Speaker 2: Yeah they did that. Yeah, if we as we know
47:53
Steen Andrew wasn't a couple of practice that he got
47:56
a little bit of work and left guard.
47:57
Speaker 4: Did we see that this year?
47:59
Speaker 1: I don't remember.
48:01
Speaker 3: I could have sworn he got something at some point.
48:04
Speaker 4: I don't know if they would do that for one
48:07
game though, if it were for an extended period of time, yeah,
48:10
but for one week.
48:13
Speaker 1: All depends on how they see it. I think Dickerson's
48:16
gonna he's walking around, he's got to sleep.
48:18
Speaker 2: I can't tell you he's gonna be ready, though, I know,
48:20
I know, I know, I.
48:21
Speaker 1: Just he reminds me of Harriman's man like he's just
48:24
gonna be a warrior and get on the boys.
48:27
Speaker 2: Todd's with his paying talent, was extremely high.
48:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing past Dickerson, Uh the old I think what
48:37
you have to worry about is more he comes back
48:39
and he plays, but he's limping off the field, you know,
48:41
in the in the second or the third quarter, and
48:43
then we'd see what they would do there. All right,
48:45
So let's get to safety. Anybody keep more than four here,
48:51
all right? No, everyone else other than Blanket Ship City, Brown, mccooba,
48:55
and McCollum.
48:56
Speaker 4: No, but I wanted really badly to find a spot
48:59
for Andre Sam. I thought he had a really good summer,
49:02
and he adds some juice to special teams coverage. He's
49:06
really been a nice story of development under Joe Casper
49:08
and Vic Vanjo.
49:09
Speaker 1: Well, let me you did keep Killer Ringo, right, Yeah?
49:14
If for some reason he's not on the team, there's
49:16
your there's your replacement for special team and.
49:19
Speaker 4: We don't yet know the severity. If there is any
49:22
severity to the hamstring injury to Macouba, that that could potentially,
49:27
you know, alter the way that they look at that position.
49:30
Speaker 2: And Ringo, Ringo had that minor injury too, right the quad. Yeah, yeah, Now.
49:36
Speaker 1: Obviously we should bring up the fact that Nikobe Dean's
49:38
going to start on on pup. Yeah, so he's not
49:43
on it. Obviously, that's why we left him off. So
49:46
when he comes back, we always say they're gonna have
49:48
to make a move. But like, there's always an injury,
49:50
so like there's always a corresponding move that you can't forecast.
49:53
But I think what's really interesting is that for all
49:56
of the questions that this team had on defense and
50:00
still do three positions, we clean sweet, we all agreed
50:04
on IDL off ball, linebacker, and safety and are only
50:08
on the edge. Was just between Powell Island making it
50:11
and not making it, and same thing with Ringo at corner.
50:13
So everything else where, it looks like Camp made it
50:17
pretty clear as to who deserves to be on it,
50:20
who does deserve to be on it, and what questions
50:22
still remain that might lead Howie to make moves here.
50:26
We're all in agreement on that, so good stuff. Anybody
50:29
have any other special teamers other than Jake Elliott, Braden
50:32
Man and Charlie Hewlett.
50:33
Speaker 4: No, Christian Johnston, I'm kidding.
50:37
Speaker 2: He was belling the dou was like he's pretty big
50:41
for Johnstone was his name? Yeah, Charlie, Charlie Hewett. Charlie
50:45
Hewlett is the old guy. But yeah, boy, Braiden Man
50:49
and Jake Elliot look great. Braid Man, Wow, this is
50:52
Bessie's looking all right.
50:54
Speaker 1: Before we close this out, let's go to your I'm
50:56
gonna get each from each of the top three guys
51:00
you left off that will you you would have on
51:01
if that? You know, if situations presented it, Who are
51:05
the top three guys you have left off?
51:07
Speaker 4: Go ahead at him?
51:09
Speaker 2: Well, Kennall Lamb was one of them. Again, if I
51:11
had it not seen prior getting some snaps of left tackle,
51:14
I probably would have had him on it because he
51:15
could play both left and right. I want to keep
51:18
Montreal Johnson. I just the goose, the guy could play.
51:22
I mean, there's no question, but they know it would
51:25
go to your point, Jeff, if if you're keeping Montreal
51:28
Johnson Dyllan's got to go, and then you work it
51:31
out with the agent. You have to do it before
51:32
you cut him and go, hey, will you be willing
51:33
to do this? Do the practice squad tango with him
51:37
with a veteran, be one of the veterans on there
51:39
After that, Kyli Granson was the one that he was
51:43
the toughest. I had him on my I did three,
51:45
three or four iterations. He was on my first two.
51:49
But then I it's the Brett Toth one. This dude
51:52
won't go away.
51:53
Speaker 1: He really won't. He's like becoming He's starting to like
51:57
make uh Julian Vandervelt look irrelevant. Now well all the
52:00
times he's been able to come back. All right, So
52:02
those are your top three? Who are your top three
52:04
guys left off? For me?
52:06
Speaker 4: I would say Andre Sam and Ayas Smith and he
52:13
would have he wouldn't have made it anyway. But Parry Nickerson,
52:15
Perry Nickerson had you know, he's thirty years old, the
52:18
oldest player on the defense. He's very well respected amongst
52:22
that group. Had an interception, really good story.
52:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, listen for me. You know, Terras Marshall is
52:28
tough to say goodbye to. I thought when he was
52:30
out there and healthy. He looked pretty decent, fluid mover.
52:34
I mean, you're gonna keep a guy like Darius Cooper
52:36
for obvious reasons, but you're going to pass on a
52:39
guy like Terres Marshall who could probably be right now
52:42
just as effective as your number four as Johnny Metchi
52:46
or or Darius Cooper, and certainly Avery Williams is not
52:49
even a wide receiver. So that one was a tough
52:51
one for me. Aja doan obviously, and you know Ringo,
52:56
if he doesn't get moved, I would think would be
52:58
on it. So those are my three.
53:00
Speaker 2: Darius Cooper sogn a three year deal. They guaranteed just
53:02
ninety grand. So yeah, that's a great contract to have
53:06
a few of the Eagles.
53:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, good stuff. So that's gonna do it.
53:11
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53:13
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53:15
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