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FFOD341 : On His Own Terms with Dr. Warren Strickland · Fist Full of Dirt

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Fistful of Dirt, the official podcast of Monseyoke Properties.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whether you own a small farm, lease land, or just love hanging in your backyard.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're all about the outdoor lifestyle and how to get the most from your time in God's great outdoors.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now here's your host, Ronnie Cub Strickland.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_03: Where's the El Nino at?
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_03: Lorraine is supposed to all I've heard about it's gonna be cold and wet and cold and wet.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_06: I we need to talk to somebody that understands this because half the people are like, I'll cut my persimmon in half.
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  SPEAKER_06: I found a shovel, it's gonna be cold.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_06: El Nino's backing me up on this.
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  SPEAKER_06: And the other half of the people are like, well, it depends on which zone you're in, and we're not in the cold zone.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_06: I'm like, of course we're not.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, they're all over the place.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_03: They show that North Mississippi, some of them saying you're gonna get this and that.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think they know.
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  SPEAKER_06: Technically, I think we're in the battle zone, whereas if it goes above us, we're out, if it goes below us, we're totally in, and nobody knows for sure what it's gonna do.
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  SPEAKER_03: The battle zone now is the heat dome.
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  SPEAKER_03: Holy Toledo, it's unbelievable.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I got your you sent me a message the other day about persimmons.
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  SPEAKER_03: We don't have any that's anywhere near ready to drop.
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  SPEAKER_03: I rolled around and looked, and it takes a while.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I was I was dying to know.
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  SPEAKER_06: I I love old wives' tales and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_06: And I was like, what are persimmons?
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, I've done that before, but we just don't have any on the ground yet.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I ain't climbing no trees when it's a hundred degrees.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_03: I ain't climbing no trees anytime.
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  SPEAKER_03: But uh anyway, it it's hard to say everybody's in that that hunting season frame of mind, but they kind of are.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_03: You know, dove season's fixing to open up.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh we're getting there.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_03: Cranky's uh three games in.
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  SPEAKER_06: Three wins.
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  SPEAKER_03: Three and oh.
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  SPEAKER_06: This is wild.
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  SPEAKER_03: Big week this week, though.
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  SPEAKER_03: Cranky plays up on the high school team as a ninth grader, but he turned into a big boy.
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  SPEAKER_03: This week's the first JV game.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is where he's the big boy.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he'll he'll be starting.
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  SPEAKER_03: So Thursday's JV, Friday another.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_03: And I gotta admit, I love high school football.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's it's fun.
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  SPEAKER_03: It is fun, it really is, but not going that direction with this podcast.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I and I will tell you this you remember that commercial that had the most interesting man in the world.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm telling you, this guy's it, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Warren Strickland.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I've known him for decades.
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  SPEAKER_03: He was on Hunting the Country a bunch of times way back.
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  SPEAKER_06: Way back when.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you know, it's TV in our world kind of subsided and all that you lose contact.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I he I ran into him at the Legends of the Outdoors Hall of Fame.
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  SPEAKER_03: He came in.
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  SPEAKER_03: He was in attendance, and I didn't know it until it was over.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_03: He came up and tap me on the shoulder, and I turned around and like had a heart attack.
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  SPEAKER_06: Because you would have said something had you known.
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  SPEAKER_03: Look, I'd went and sat with it.
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  SPEAKER_06: You'd have told stories too.
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  SPEAKER_03: I always been fascinated with uh the things he's he's done, and uh, and I I wanted to do a podcast with him, and uh I and I kind of said, Man, it needs to be on the microphone, not the phone.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because I knew it was gonna be interesting.
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  SPEAKER_06: And long.
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  SPEAKER_03: And long.
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  SPEAKER_03: And he said, Well, just come to my place, which that's what I was hoping, because I had heard of his farm and his trophy room and all that kind of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I I gotta tell you, when I I I walked away more amazed than I walked in with.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_06: And you were pretty enamored before you got there.
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  SPEAKER_03: I and I am for and look, there's other people that have accomplished a lot with a bow, but he has done it so quietly.
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  SPEAKER_06: Kind of for himself.
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  SPEAKER_03: On his own dime, with no post.
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  SPEAKER_03: Most of the stuff in that building hadn't been scored, and it's like how how can it how can you remain that humble?
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  SPEAKER_03: Not only in the archery world, he's a world renowned cardiologist and a world-class sporting clays guy, and you never hear about him.
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  SPEAKER_06: That's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, he he is a rare commodity.
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  SPEAKER_06: And interesting.
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  SPEAKER_03: And very interesting.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I got two podcasts.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't think you're gonna air them back to back.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_03: We did the, you know, the Super Slam talk and all this kind of stuff, and how he got started, which was amazing, but we did do one on hard health.
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  SPEAKER_03: Remember doing one with Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: David Allen on what can I eat from the gas station?
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  SPEAKER_04: People loved that episode.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we're gonna get two, they'll be separated.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I can tell you, if you like hunting stories, if you're enamored with people who do things for the right reason, this this one's gonna be epic.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, with that said, let's go visit with Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Warren Strickland over in Huntsville, Alabama.
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  SPEAKER_03: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Warren Strickland, I certainly appreciate you carving out some time because I know that's one thing's very valuable to you.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_05: Well, because, you know, getting a chance to see you in Springfield and get caught up from, you know, some of the old times, it's just great seeing you as well.
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  SPEAKER_03: I had to apologize because we kind of lost touch.
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  SPEAKER_03: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Warren was a big part of Mossy Oak and hunting the country back in the day.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I'm not saying you're an old guy because you're not as old as me, but there just wasn't a bunch of bow hunters running around back then that you could send places that's like, bam, get it done, get it done.
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  SPEAKER_03: That was a long time ago.
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  SPEAKER_05: It was, you know, probably 15, 20 years ago.
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  SPEAKER_05: And I tell you, cuz those were some great, great, great days.
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  SPEAKER_05: You know, I still have some of those uh vintage shows that we did, and you know what?
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  SPEAKER_05: That's still pretty classic footage.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm very proud of that.
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  SPEAKER_03: You can go, and I'm not saying this because I produced it, there's a big team of people, Troy and Mike, oh, there was a ton of people.
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  SPEAKER_03: But you can go get one of those shows from whenever, 1990, whatever, 1991, and watch it, and it's like that could air today.
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  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely, and the quality of work that we did there was second to nine.
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  SPEAKER_05: You guys knew how to produce a great show.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, you're a big part of that, and it's uh I can't believe we kind of lost touch, but uh I was talking a little bit in the opening, and it's like you have quietly gone about your business, not making a bunch of noise, and mastered three things in my in my world.
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  SPEAKER_03: The bow hunting stuff, I read a little bit at the front.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's it's beyond incredible.
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  SPEAKER_03: Your medical career, world-renowned stuff, and then the third one, which may be the most important, husband, dad.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_03: You need uh give me some DNA.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if I can get it from your finger.
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  SPEAKER_03: We need to share that.
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  SPEAKER_03: We need to share that with a bunch of people, but you just kind of quietly went about your business and accomplished so much it's almost too much to comprehend and and not made a bunch of noise about it.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_05: Well, you know, my father would always tell me, say, son, you know, if you're doing something that's worth talking about, other people would recognize it.
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  SPEAKER_05: You need to keep your mouth shut.
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  SPEAKER_05: So I've taken that, you know, to heart.
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  SPEAKER_05: You know, I felt that, you know, if I was doing something that was, you know, worth talking about, people would recognize it eventually.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I'm gonna be talking about it for a while.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I can tell you right there, I'm gonna tell you right, we get done with these, I'm coming back to do another one on shooting, sporting clay stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: I I uh and shame on me.
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  SPEAKER_03: I started digging, I was gonna get me some more facts and all that kind of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I started reading about this A-class, first place, first place, first place.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's a big deal.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I'm not going there, we don't have time.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, but we're coming back to do one on sporting clay.
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  SPEAKER_05: No problem.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I always like to start because people love stories, and we're gonna be introducing you to some people.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, because I I have I have a fairly young audience, believe that or not, and I want to know where you're from, where were you born, and how were you raised.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_03: Tell me about your mom, dad, and where that took place.
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  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_05: So I grew up with fairly humble roots, cuz I grew up in southeast Arkansas.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's basically an agriculture community.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um, you know, it was a small town.
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  SPEAKER_05: Dermot probably had a population of 4,200.
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  SPEAKER_05: Everybody knew everyone in the town.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, if I got in trouble at school, I probably got a spanking three or four times before, you know, I made it back home.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um, so it it was just great times there.
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  SPEAKER_05: Both my mother uh and my father were educators.
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  SPEAKER_05: My mother was a librarian at at my school.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh she had a master's in library science.
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  SPEAKER_05: And my father was a minister, was a coach, and was a math and science teacher.
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  SPEAKER_05: So, you know, not going to college uh was really not an option, you know.
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  SPEAKER_05: I bet.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, my parents felt very, very strongly about, you know, having a good education and um, you know, basically started me in that direction from a very, very early age.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um, you know, I winded up uh going to a very relatively small liberal arts school in central Arkansas, measured in biology and chemistry, and you know, from there, you know, we'll go on that later on, end up going to medical school.
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  SPEAKER_05: So uh it's been a great ride.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Any any hunting and fishing when you were a young man?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, you know, basically, um, you know, and at that time there was no such thing as computers and internet and that uh so I uh basically the only thing that I really had to do was hunt and fish.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_05: You know, Durmont was surrounded by timber, and you know, the woods was pretty much my playing ground from as long as you know I can remember seven or eight years old.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I was squirrel or rabbit hunting, I got my first red rod or BB gun when I think I was six.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_05: So every day after school, you know, I was out hunting birds or yeah, you know, chasing something.
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  SPEAKER_05: So it was it was just fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_05: But as far as an outdoor experience, you know, I grew up in the timber.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_05: Uh my father was a basically a small game hunter, uh doves, rabbits, and squirrels, but I think that's probably where we all cut our teeth, and that's where we start from.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, if you're old enough.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_03: That's there wasn't a lot of deer around back when I was a kid.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_03: It was a a big deal.
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  SPEAKER_03: I know at some point it it it had to click.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you did you did you read, did you have any mentors?
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  SPEAKER_03: Did you read anything and go, man, that's cool, because you know, the m you remember the American sportsman.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, you know, Kurt Gowdy.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_05: Kurt Gowdy, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: So I I think that's when I first kind of got bit by the bug of bow hunting.
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  SPEAKER_05: And I I really didn't know anyone that shot a ball.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh didn't know any bow hunters at all.
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  SPEAKER_05: Although Arkansas at that time had the longest archery season in the country.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_05: It opened October 1st and closed February 28th.
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  SPEAKER_05: But on my twelfth birthday for Christmas, my parents brought me a fiberglass bone arrow from Western Auto.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh it had a little small nylon quiver, uh, I think it was 15, 20 pound draw and three arrows in it.
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  SPEAKER_05: But I can remember the first time I strung that bow and saw that.
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  SPEAKER_05: The first arrow that came out of that bow, I was hooked from that moment on.
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  SPEAKER_05: And I really never big game hunting from that point on.
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  SPEAKER_05: I had this tremendous romance and love for Bowen Arrow.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you literally remember the first time you shot it.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_05: I remember the first arrow.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I remember I missed the target.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_05: But but I remember, you know, shooting and I would come every day after school, I shot that ball.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, and finally, you know, I I broke it and uh I broke the tilt off the edge of the bow and I worked in cut yards all that summer and brought me a brown and nomad one from the sporting goods store.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_05: And uh, you know, that's when things really changed.
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  SPEAKER_05: Never really had any form of training.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_05: I read everything that I could out of books and things of that sort, but that's kind of where it started from 12 years old.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_05: What's an auto 15-pound, you know, draw fiberglass bow and three arrows.
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  SPEAKER_03: No archery class, no bow hunter telling you that's wrong, do this, do that.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_05: I didn't know a single bow hunter, didn't know anyone that even shot a ball.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_03: You know, when I signed your book, I said, God gives out talent in thimbles and buckets.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_03: And buddy, your bucket is absolutely overflow.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_03: To to come through that to get to get where you're at now, to start from that level, it just tells me how intense.
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  SPEAKER_05: It was intense.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's gotta be intense because archery is such a personal thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: And a millimeter here and a millimeter there, that's uh to get to where uh it's just crazy.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_05: But you know even if you had bad form, if you do the same thing over and over and over again, you become pretty consistent with it.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and I got where it was a pretty decent shot after 20 yards.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I could shoot really, really well.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_05: In the summer, um my father was a uh you know, we grew rice and soybeans, it's really more soybeans and cotton.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_05: And um those soybean fields, you know, in the fall would be loaded with deer.
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  SPEAKER_05: So I had a target rich environment where you know, I can remember a lot of evenings I would come in after school, I would shoot every arrow out of my quiver.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_05: Shoot at them.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_05: At them, that's exactly right.
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  SPEAKER_05: So, but I remember the first time that I killed my first deer that I killed was a doe.
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  SPEAKER_05: And I tell you, I was definitely hooked from that from that point on.
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  SPEAKER_05: I was I got my boy at 14.
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  SPEAKER_05: I didn't sh kill my first deer, or harvest my first deer until I was fourteen.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_05: But after I harvested that first deer, that it was pretty much that's all I did from that point on.
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  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember the hunt?
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, do I remember the hunt?
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_05: Tell me about it.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_03: So it's 14 years old.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I was fourteen years old, and you know, in Arkansas, as soon as your feet could get to the gas paddle and and the brakes, you know, you could drive.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_03: Especially out there on the farm.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's right.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_05: I think I was A grade, and uh I got in my dad's Volkswagen, and and I drove to one of the bean fields, and I had a had a little tree stand.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_05: It wasn't much of a wooden tree stand, you know how they were back then, but it was it was adequate, probably ten foot tall.
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  SPEAKER_05: And it was right at the edge of the field.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_05: There was someone else's tree stand, actually.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_05: I was and the great thing then, no one ever thought that you could ever kill anything with a bow and arrow.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_05: So everyone gave this little 14-year-old kid permission to go hunt.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah, you know what you're gonna do with a stick and string, go for it.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_05: Knock yourself out.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, knock yourself out.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_05: But it was kind of a uh overcast evening, a little drizzly.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, it was cool that evening.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_05: And of course, you know, right at dark, DC D over start come pouring out into the field.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_05: And a lot of times they would be out of range.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_05: And this particular dough, I can remember, uh, across the field she jumped the fence and she started coming across.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_05: And the beans weren't, you know, they were probably two or three feet high, I could see.
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  SPEAKER_05: She started coming and she got closer and closer.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, kept coming.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_05: It probably took her fifteen to twenty minutes to get there.
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  SPEAKER_05: It was two hundred yards across that field, probably took her fifteen minutes.
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  SPEAKER_05: And she came and stood right under my tree.
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  SPEAKER_05: And I can remember, I can remember that shot now as though it was yesterday.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_05: And I drew back and I just took my time and I remember to taking one step forward and I shot and I saw the arrow go into the knock, and she turned and started running across the field and actually just piled up.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_05: And I tell you.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_05: You saw her go down.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_05: I saw her go down.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_05: So 'cause she went back the way she came.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_05: So that was probably one of the still one of the most exciting days of my hunting career.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_03: What what kind of uh broadhead and bone?
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_05: I was shooting a a uh Brownie Nomad one, and I was shooting a bear razor head.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: Which is all there was available.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_05: Which was all that was available.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's exactly right.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: He he had a uh a glue-on type and a screw-on type.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_03: That's all I saw.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I didn't have a converter points then.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_05: The converter points hadn't come out.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_05: It went right on the shaft.
• 17:10
  unknown: Yeah.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_05: But uh bear razor head.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_05: Bear razor head, that's exactly right.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_05: And those were good heads, and they would uh I got where I could put a very good edge on them.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_05: It took me a long time to learn how to sharpen them.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_05: I actually had one of the uh older gentlemen in the deer camp that showed me how to, you know, put a good edge on that broadhead, but I I got it where it would shave hair.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_05: It made all the difference in the world.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: Absolute dying art.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: My fondest memories, I got to go hunting with Jeannie and Barry Winsel, and boy, their shack up there on the Milk River was terrible.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, I could sit there and watch them at that old kitchen table.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_05: Is that in Montana?
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_03: Watch them on that old kitchen table sharpening broadheads.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_05: It's an art to that.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's an art to that, and it would take them forever.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, and I would watch and ask questions, and I'm still not good at it, but I was like, I wonder how many bowl hunters today could actually take that broadhead and get it that sharp.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's tough.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_05: It's it's it's a real talent, and it takes a lot of time to get a broadhead where it will shave hair.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_05: You know, it's it's a lot of work.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_03: It is.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: What was your next rig?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_03: When you when you felt like a little bit older in time, now they got compounds with E-wheels.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: Tell me about some of your early rigs that you thought, man, it ain't gonna get no better either.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's exactly right.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_05: So my first compound, I remember, it was at Gibson's.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_05: It was kind of a, I don't know if you remember Gibson's in the South.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_05: It was like a Walmart.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: Been there.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, right.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta keep remembering now, Doc.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: I'm older than you are.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_05: But um, there was a small town called McGee, Arkansas that was eight miles from Dramont.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_05: There was a big Gibson's there, and you know, everyone went to that Gibson's to shop.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_05: And I remember going in the sporting goods store and I saw my first compound bow.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I would always see the Allen compound in the bow hunting magazines.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_05: I saw it was a Ben Pearson model 250.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_03: You still remember that?
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yes, I certainly do, because I bought the bowl.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_05: But you they had a layaway then.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I th I think the bowl was 150 bucks.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_05: You know, that was a lot of money back in 1972.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_05: Um but I knew the manager in the sporting goods department and I told him I really, really wanted that bowl.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_05: And he said, if you give me ten bucks ten bucks, I'll put it back for you.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_05: So I went and borrowed ten dollars from my from my dad, and I put it on lay away and I could grasp all that summer until I got that hundred and fifty bucks, and when I got that ball and bought a dozen arrows with it, and uh I shot a lot of deer with that ball.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_05: That that a lot things really changed when I got that ball.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_05: That was one of the things that changed when I got that compound ball.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_05: I still hadn't had any formal lessons yet, but it just increased my range significantly.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_05: I went to where I can shoot from 15 to 20 yards, where I could shoot after 30 or 35 yards.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_05: Now another 10 yards, you know, makes a big difference uh with a ball.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_05: And uh I got a set of sights and put on it.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_05: Didn't put a peep on, but uh I shot it every day.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_05: I got really good at shooting that boy after 30 yards.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_05: I could shoot, you know, three-inch group after 30 yards for that thing.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: So game changer.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_05: Game changer, definitely a game changer.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_05: It was shooting 205 feet a second.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_05: It was a smoker.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_03: My person was an Indian stalker.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and it had it didn't have a string, the cable is where you put your knot.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: But it had a movable sight pin and the riser, and I because I couldn't hit anything.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_03: I I hunted and hunted, I couldn't kill anything with traditional stuff.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_03: And I figured that pin out, and I was like, I'm gonna kill every deer in the Homacheta National Forest or that thing.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_03: But the compound was a game changer, wasn't it?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_03: Definitely was a game changer.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_03: Are you still shooting your fingers at this point?
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_05: No, I started shooting a release pretty quickly.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I would say definitely in the 80s, I started shooting a release.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_03: And um you remember what the first kind was that you got?
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_05: Uh yeah, it was called uh a hot shot.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you remember the hotshot memory release?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it was a little hotshot release.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_05: And then after the hotshot, and I still shoot it now, Scott.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, I shoot a Scott release.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: The predecessor to that was a plastic one called a pro injector.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_05: I remember the pro injector.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_05: Big boat.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_03: Man, we got one of those things.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, man, it it it just ain't and and you're talking about 200 feet a second.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: We had I was selling bows at a sporting goods store way back in the day.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: We had Golden Eagles, three or four Darton.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: Golden Eagles were great ball.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I still got mine the first one.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: I brought a picture of it to show you.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, me and we had an archery club there.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_03: I had a guy, and this is going Lighten your eyes up, but I had a guy in town building me overdraws out of aluminum so you could move right to shoot a shorter, stiffer arrow, lighter arrow pop on the flatter.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: And we put those aluminum overdraws on there, and I had a go, listen to this, I had a golden eagle on 80 pounds.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: Of course, I'm in my mid-20s or whatever.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_03: And we'd put a 2114, some light arrow that was 25 inches.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_05: Or 2013.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, 2114.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_03: And we went to the baseball coach, we got a chrometer or a whatever you call this thing.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_03: And we shot that thing through that thing and a conograph.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_03: And it was like 218 feet a second.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_05: Smoking.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: I looked at my buddy, I said, that's it.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_03: It ain't gonna get no it cannot get any faster than that.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: But who knew?
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, when you start talking about all that stuff, people are people are fascinated with it.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_03: I was talking about that Indian stalker bow on a post or something like that, and I had a guy that actually still had one and he sent and he sent it to me.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta be kidding.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's in my little game room that doesn't look anything like this, but I got it hanging on a rack that Mr James made.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_03: I got it on the top and my golden dig on the bottom.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_03: I wouldn't take a million dollars from it.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, absolutely.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_03: All right, when was uh I gotta get to some stuff because I could keep you here for weeks, but when was uh, and we're gonna do just so y'all know, we're gonna do a separate podcast after this on the medical stuff.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: But when you're moving along, and I I'm I'm fascinated, I think it's on the other podcast I'm gonna ask you about about how you worked all this out with your time.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_03: But can you remember the first like big time bow hunt you travel to just out of Arkansas or something?
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, absolutely.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_05: So when I graduated from medical school uh for uh I I guess as a way of celebrating my graduation, I said I'm gonna go out west and I'm gonna go on a hunt.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_05: So my first hunt, I went to northern Idaho with George Duncan, was a guide, and it was on a black bear hunt.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and that was in I graduated in medical school from medical school May 13th, and I think I went out there on the 24th with George Duncan, which was fantastic.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, and uh we hunted black bear to we overbait and with hounds, you know, he just and I end up shooting uh my black bear uh with hounds, but uh it was just a absolutely fantastic hunt.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_05: That fall uh I had an elk hunt and that was in Montana.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_05: And at that time it was pretty easy to to draw a tag in Montana.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_05: It was still draw, but I had put in and I drew a tag, and I went out to Keith Rush, it was on a Continental Divide, and I had never seen an elk in a while, but I had read all the magazines, and we'll go over how you know, if you're talking about my mentor, you know, Marion Ray James, M.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_05: R.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_05: James, I read everything that he wrote, every story.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_05: Um but I went on that elk hunt and the second day was the first bull elk I ever saw.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_05: Actually it was two, it was three cows, it was a big six by six, and it was that five by five right there.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_05: That's the best role that's the one that's the one.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_05: So they were about four or five hundred yards across a ravine and he was a satellite bull and my guide, I had never, you know, bugled or anything.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_05: He had this little whistle and he started bugling and that five by five stopped and started walking across that ravine, came up and I thought he was gonna come to my left and broadside, but instead he came almost towarding toward me.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_05: It was about fifteen yards, and I shot him right between the neck and the shoulder, and that arrow, I was shooting a golden eagle.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I was shooting a golden eagle, man, and that arrow buried up to the fledge.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_05: And it's still the most dramatic kill cousin I've ever seen because I didn't know what was going on.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_05: I'm used to shooting deer that run off.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_05: Well he stopped and he went up on his hind legs when that arrow hit him.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_05: Just went up on his hind legs like a horse.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_05: Fell over backwards and he never moved.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_05: So I didn't know if it was I looked over at the guy, he looked over at me.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I didn't know if the deer had if the elk had passed out or what had happened, but he was stoned dead.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_05: So when we uh actually gutted him, that arrow had gone in and knocked the top of his heart off, hit the pulmonary artery, and there are three major vessels, and then he ordered just tore him right off.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_05: Instant death.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_05: But I've never seen anything that drastic.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_05: That arrow hit him, he just went up, he was dead before he hit the ground.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_05: But that was the first elk that I've ever saw in the wild.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_05: And uh, so obviously I was hooked at elk honey from that.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: I was fixing to say God's looking down saying, Dr.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_03: Warren, you need to be the best bow hunter.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_03: You just keep doing this.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna be watching over it.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_03: I've never seen it.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: I know the first one I shot, of course, it ran off.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_05: And you know elk are tough.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, man, I think I hit that thing perfect.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_03: And it was a probably a two-hour wait, and you know, it was not a lot of blood.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_03: I hit it just a touch high, but when I finally saw it, right?
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_03: I it was like an out-of-body experience.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_03: I eased down there and I just sat down behind it and just stroked and petted on that thing forever.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: I couldn't believe it.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely, and particularly when we're accustomed to shooting whitales that are 150 to 160 pounds.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_05: You go up to this giant elk, you know, it's it's an impressive sight.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_05: And elk hunting is just great.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_05: You know, it's in September, October, you know, you're out west, you're at altitude.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, the weather's great, it's long days.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, it's nothing like a September elk hunt.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_05: It's still my favorite.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta be in shape.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_03: I've the last one I shot, I've killed five.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_03: And the last one was a uh I killed them first four.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: Three of them's on public land with a bow.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the fourth one was out there with it was supposed to be Toxies Hunt, and he bailed.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_03: It was a really good place out in Utah.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_03: The last one I was with the Primos guys, it was a rifle hunt, which I love that venison.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, I killed it, they filmed it, and they went on hunting.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_03: They helped me get it back.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_03: That fifth one was a rifle hunt.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_03: And uh anyway, they went on to do their thing, and I I pretty much boned that thing out by myself.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: And when I finally got through, hours later, I had two of them giant ice chests.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_03: I called my wife, I said, You you need to ration this elk because I'm done.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I was 60, I don't know what I was, 65 at the time, but I was like, though those days are kind of done for me.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm looking at all these giant elk in here, and I I know we're gonna talk about turkey hunting at some point, but I if you just look in this room, that there's everything in here.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_03: But elk had to be like number one.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, if you know, I got just if I could have I probably would have finished the Super Slam 10 years earlier if I wasn't so obsessed with elk hunting.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I really worked hard at, and most of my elk hunting was like you, it was on public land and just myself and someone else.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_05: I just got to the point where I had worked so hard and elk hunting so much that I was I had figured it out.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I was a very good caller.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I knew how to read the terrain, and I've spent a month every year, probably for 15 years elk hunting.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_05: I would have a tag in Idaho and then I would go to Wyoming and hunt, and then I'll go to Montana and hunt if I'm quietly doing all this.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I just love, love the elk hunt.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_05: So, you know, some some years I would shoot two or three elk, but I can remember because exactly what you said.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_05: I have every elk, I would say probably 90% of them are boned.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_05: Boned out and packed out.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_05: I have never packed downhill.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_05: Every elk I've ever killed, you're always packing uphill.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_05: You got it's that's a lot of work.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_05: When you walk up to that animal, that's when the work starts.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's it's a lot of work packing an elk out.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's a young man's game, I can tell you that.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_03: We packed a we uh kind of boned out.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_03: I had a and we had a helicopter.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_03: I filmed a moose kill up in Newfoundland.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_03: But in order for that helicopter to get in, we couldn't, he we had to pack this thing a mile, and we didn't we cut it up, we didn't bone it.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_03: And we were taking turns going back, and I was like, Yeah, it's a young man's game.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's crazy.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_03: I was in my 40s at that time.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_03: When I got home from that, I felt like I had to flip it.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and from us, you know, being kind of flatlanders in the south, you know, you're going at altitude and then in vertical terrain.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_05: You know, it's it's they're challenging us without a doubt.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: You know, old timer builds knives with durability in mind.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_03: They also want it to be a tool that is comfortable enough to work with day after day.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_03: Since the beginning, old timers made knives for those who don't rely on others to get the job done.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: I love that.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_03: Old timer built for generations.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_03: You know, there's nothing I love more than teaching my grandkids how to be better woodsmen.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_03: The Onex app helps me do that in a way that makes sense to them.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_03: They're all about apps in that phone.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: Using Onex to set optimal wind on stands that should or shouldn't be hunted on certain winds makes it easier for them to understand that, hey, a north wind blows from the north, not to the north.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_03: Using that little slope angle layer when teaching them how to read topographical maps, but the color-coded shading makes it a lot easier to explain to them what tightly stacked tofo lines mean.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_03: Bottom line, Onyx Hunt makes learning fun for those young ones and still helps me find success in the field.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's an easy-to-use platform.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, even I can do it.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: I suggest it for any age outdoorsman.
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• 33:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna ask you that I want to get into the slam because if you dig into that, that's rarefied air, and I don't need to tell you that.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_03: That's just like count them on your hand with a bow and air.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_03: But at some point, I can remember watching you shoot, and it I can remember that it was a PSE bow.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_03: I don't I think y'all might have been fixing headed, but I was watching you shoot, going, I I'll never be that good.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_03: So where did you pick up your techniques?
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, uh breathing anything cool.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_03: How did you get so good?
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so when I was in college at University of Central Arkansas, there was an archery shop in Little Rock, which is about 30 miles from Conway.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_05: Jack Witt, who is in the Archery Hall of Fame now, yeah.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_05: So I would go there on Saturdays and Lois and Jack were there.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, and they knew that I had a tremendous passion for archery, but I had no money.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_05: They gave me free lessons for for at least two years.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_05: Every Saturday I would go there and I would shoot for two hours, and Lois would just watch me shoot.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_05: And one of the big things that she really concentrated on was my elbow arm.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_05: She said, That's everybody's weakness is that bow arm.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_05: She said, You gotta get a strong bow arm.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_05: She said, Don't have your shoulder up, keep that shoulder str straight.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_05: And she just worked with my technique following through.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_05: And I have to give Lois and Jack all of the credit because that was the first time I really had formal lessons.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_05: And I went up there every at least two to three times a month for a couple of years to take an lesson.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_05: So um it's like golf.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_05: If you want to be a really good golfer, you gotta get someone to really show you how to make a good clean swing.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_03: And do it all the time.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_03: All the time.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_05: And and one of the things she emphasized, and I do today, she said, it's not about how many arrows you shoot.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_05: She said, shoot two to three arrows at a time.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_05: It's finesse, it's quality.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_05: She said, do other things to work on your strength outside of shooting.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_05: She said, as soon as you get any muscle fatigue, you gotta quit.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_05: Because that's when you start getting into bad habits.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_05: Another thing, she made me uh just shoot at blank spots at 20 yards.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_05: She would just put up, take the target and turn it on.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_05: She said, if you shoot at just a blank piece of paper and make your mind pick the spot, you'll never get target panic.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_05: I never got it either.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_05: She was correct.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_03: I got it one time.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_05: Target panic is bad.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_03: I read a book, I did all kind of stuff, and I don't I I was ready to give up.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: I don't remember I I finally got out of it.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_03: And it was a a big deal to get out of it.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_03: And uh yeah, so it's shooting spots that do it.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_05: If you just shoot at a get you a McKenzie target, spread bat black, and make your mind pick a spot, you'll never get it.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_05: It's just that, you know, if you see that little spot, you want to stop, you want to freeze on it, you want to jerk on it, but it's shooting spots.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_05: Most target archers have target pain.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_05: I I ended up doing a lot of now I back tension releases will help.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_03: I ain't going there.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_03: I ain't got I ain't got enough sense to shoot one of those, but you know what?
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_03: At the end I started coming up instead of coming down.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_03: I had to change some stuff.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_03: But uh I mean, I have to tell you this.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_05: I had a buddy, and Jeff and I shot a lot.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_05: We were college buddies, Jeff Dobbins.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_05: He got target panic.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_05: He had the worst case of target panic I ever seen.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_05: It was so bad he couldn't even swatter fly.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_03: It was like Charles Barkley's golf swing.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so it, you know, some people that, you know, get target panic, they get it so bad they have to quit or they have to switch hands.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_05: But it's all mental.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_03: It is.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's very mental.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_05: That's what makes it so tough.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_03: You look into it, there's two or three books been written on it.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, I know it.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_03: Because everybody used to shoot a bow.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_03: It was, you know, and it's absolutely but yeah, watching you and whoever, I mean, I've seen Pete Shepley and all, and there's a lot of things all those great archers have in common, but that bow arm is critically important.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_03: Critically important because if it moves, all bets are off.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_03: And I got a couple of grandsons shooting.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, look, it don't worry about anything right now.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's when you let go, when the air hits the target, make sure the pen is still in the bullseye.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_05: That's exactly right.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_05: That it's taking it to the bullseye.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, start at that point.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_05: That's right.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: All right, I'm going to talk a little bit about the Super Slam.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_03: I talked a little bit in the opening about what that is.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_03: And people that know me know I am not about accolades, records, any of that kind of stuff, and you're not either.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_03: But the fact that you are able to, that's all 29 critters, big game animals in the United States, whatever, with a bow, that's such rarefied air.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_03: I gotta, I'm gonna ask you a couple questions.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_03: First off, was that a goal that you set when you said, hey, I'm gonna work hard and I'm gonna have enough spare money to go hunt out?
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_03: Was it a plan?
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_05: It was never ever a goal for me to shoot the Super Slam.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_05: And I can tell you the exact, I'm not gonna say moment, but the day, the hour that I felt that I could do it.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_05: I picked up the uh and I I saved the uh one of the Pope and Young record books, and you turn in the back, it's got a list of all 29 species.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_05: And I said, you know, I wonder how many species have I gotten.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_05: So I got a highlighter, a yellow highlighter, and I I still got that book.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_05: And I highlighted all of the animals that I've shot the different species, and it was 21.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_05: I didn't realize I had even shot 21.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_05: I said, Wow, 21.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_05: I said, I only got seven or eight left.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_05: I might as well get the other seven.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_05: I had the tough ones.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_05: I had shot all the sheep, I had shot the grizzly bear, shot a bison.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_05: I had most of the more the more difficult ones to to get.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_05: I you know, it's like I needed to shoot a coose deer, you know, a black tail, uh, sickle black tail, Columbia blacktail.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_05: But it was then when I sat down and I actually counted the number of species at that point.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_05: And I had been hunting in probably fifteen or twenty years.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_05: And I felt okay, I probably can do this.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_03: Did how old were you when you when you decided that?
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so I probably was 45, I would say.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, 45.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_03: You're a bad man.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I was 45.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I I interviewed it's been about a year now, uh, Billy Mole's modern day mountain man.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if you ever watch his YouTube channel.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's and the only reason I watch it is because I it's like I watched the sheep hunts, and we filmed one sheep hunt, and it it was a desert bighorn.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_03: It was and it that I was like, the people that do this are crazy.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_03: And I I thought and Billy Moles has a wonderful channel.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_03: He's been doing it for decades.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_03: I've never seen one bow hunt on his channel that I can recall.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_03: And you did that, the doll sheep, the Rocky Mountain, the big horn, and you did all that with a bow.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_05: All of it with a bow.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_05: So it's and a mountain goat.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_05: I call it a high five.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_05: The high five.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_05: Um it took me ten sheep hunts to get the four sheep and three goat hunts.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_05: But I would say that of the most physical and and demanding hunts are sheep hunts.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but they're the most rewarding.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_05: Uh you have to be in really uh great physical shape because you are, you know, all of my sheep hunts were backpack hunts.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_05: And you s you know, those backpacks are fifty to sixty pounds, and you live out of the backpack and you're carrying it everywhere you go every day.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_05: You're at very vertical terrain, you're at altitude.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_05: And the thing about sheep hunting, elk hunting, you can kind of get away from it.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_05: A lot of times you come back to the camp at night, get you a great meal, you know, get a good night's sleep, you know, maybe a couple of toddies.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_05: It's not like that on sheep hunts.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_05: At the end of the day, and the days are long days, too, because you're hunting in July and usually up north.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_05: I'm you know, uh in the Northwest Territory never really got dark, so you may be hunting twelve, thirteen hours a day.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_05: Um It's just uh you're just uh surrounded and submerged in that environment for two weeks.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_05: Most of my two my sheep hunts were two weeks long.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_05: So you have to be in credible physical condition.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_05: If you're in good shape, normally as the hunt progresses, you get stronger.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_05: Because it's a c uh for me it was acclimatizing to the altitude.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_05: So as uh you spend more time there, you start to accustom get more accustomed to the lower barometric pressure, and you get stronger, you actually get stronger if you're in good shape.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_05: If you're not in good physical shape, if you haven't had that backpack on, after two or three days, you're pretty much done.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_03: Take a rifle.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_05: Take a rifle.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_03: Oh man.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_05: Take a rifle.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_03: What what was your bow rig?
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so I used the same setup for regardless of what I shot.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_05: Very early on, I realized that I needed a very forgiving setup.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_05: My setup wasn't conventional.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I like a high brace height, seven and a half to eight inches.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_05: I shot PSEs.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_05: Cheapest bow and they hated that.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_05: It was called the uh Nova.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_05: Um Nova.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_03: Very forgiving, though.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_05: It had an eight-inch brace height.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_05: Not very aggressive cams, but it was really, really forgiving.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_05: But I could make up the difference uh with the uh longer brace height.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_05: I could make up the difference with the uh higher brace height because I could shoot heavyweight.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_05: I was shooting 90, 95 pounds.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_05: I shoot 80 now.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I shoot 80, 85 now.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_05: But I was shooting 95 and 100 pounds.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_05: So I was shooting, still shooting heavy arrows.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, you know, I would say 550 grain arrows, but I was still shooting 280, 288 feet per second because I was shooting heavyweight.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_05: I always liked full length arrows, no, because they're more forgiving.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_05: And I shot expandable broadheads.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_05: I started shooting expandable broadheads.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_05: Uh the first was Martin.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know if you remember the Vortex.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_05: It's probably in the late 80s.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_05: What expandable broadheads did for me, it allowed me to double my effective range.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_05: I don't care what kind of fixed blade broadheads.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_05: And I probably shouldn't say this, but at longer distance, particularly if there's a little bit of crosswind, they're gonna plane a little bit.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_05: And with uh expandable broadheads, it just increased my effective range significantly.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_05: It made expandables made all the difference in my ability to bring the game home.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_03: You had the confidence.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_03: Had the confidence that I could And that's before all this that stuff's so much better now.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_03: And you know that.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_03: You're on you're you're big in it's so much better now than it was back when you were doing it.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_05: I had to work at it really, really hard.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_05: So I had to, you know, do some clever things to make a very forgiving setup.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_05: Not aggressive cams, high brace height, expandable broad edge, heavy arrows, which are you know more stable, and you have a quieter ball.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_05: You know, the head, you know, you have a you get an arrow that's 400 grains, you got a loud, loud ball.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_05: You get one that's 550 grains, it makes a difference in the number of decibels it makes when that bow goes off.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, I'm listening.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I couldn't shoot 90 pounds right now.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_05: I shoot 80 now, but you know, the the difference between uh the bowls that they were building, you know, 20 years ago or 25 years ago, the bowls are now so much more efficient.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_05: And uh the kinetic energy they store is you know, it's probably now an 80-pound bowl has as much kinetic energy as a 100-pound bowl back, you know, 20, 25 years ago.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's so cool that you were doing it.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_03: Because man, if you want to get an argument started, go to social media and throw something up there about this broadhead's better than that one, or of fixed bay versus uh people lose their mind.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_05: Well, you see, all 29 of these animals, every one of them was shot with an expandable broadhead, including at bison.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_05: I shot the first year that Alaska made it legal for expandable broadhead, a 10-7 brown bear.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_05: He went 40 yards, he shot with expandable broadhead.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_03: And you're a heart surgeon.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_03: I am, yeah.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_05: I am a cardiologist.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_05: Cardiologist.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_03: But you do heart surgery, and it's like who who better to pick your broadhead and know what know what trauma's fixing to take place?
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, it makes sense.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_05: Bullets killed by what?
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_05: Kinetic energy, knockdown power.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_05: Well, bow didn't have that's right, energy, right.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_05: Bowden have much kinetic energy.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_05: It's all about hemorrhage.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_05: The more tissue damage you can you're gonna do, you do, the quicker that animal's gonna come down.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_05: So I never shot under two, sometimes two and a half inch broadheads, because I know if I could get in the lungs, get that much tissue damage, that animal wasn't go one was not gonna go for.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_05: But the most important thing, cuz everywhere an expandable broadhead really shines, particularly if you're shooting two to two and a half inches, every shot is not a perfect shot.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_05: That's right.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_05: If you get two and a half inches between the sh the front leg and hind leg, if you're patient, you're gonna take that animal home.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_03: Well, who who better to make that claim?
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_03: Holy cow.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_03: I I see I can't even, and that's the one thing I didn't do.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_03: I I filmed a lot of stuff, and that's why I wasn't bow hunting all the time.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_03: I was filming in Canada and doing all that and loved it.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_03: Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_05: And very good at it.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_03: But I can't even I can't even relate to to sheep hunting with a bow because I I've seen all those videos and I know those guys and all that kind of stuff.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_03: But I so I ain't even gonna go there.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_03: I I just I have to tip my hat and go, wow.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_05: I want to tell you about what I consider is probably the toughest hunt in North America.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_05: That was my next question.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_05: And that's Rocky Mountain Bighorn in Canmore, Alberta.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_05: It's an archery-only area.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_05: It's in the last two weeks of November.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_05: And I've hunted from the Arctic all the way to the Yucatan Peninsula, and nothing comes close to this hunt as as far as physical and mental toughness.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_05: Because can you imagine hunting at 9 to 12,000 feet in November?
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_05: And you know how much snow and ice there is.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_05: The walk, the the hiking to camp was eight miles.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_05: We hiked up a riverbed, it was eight miles with a 50, 60 pound pack, and it was uphill climb all the way.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, and very, very cold.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_05: You know, this is in November.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_05: And you get up, you break above timber line.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_05: As soon as you break above timber line, you're in snow.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_05: And sometimes it's 50, 60 mile-hour winds up on those ridges.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_05: And at night, it would get so cold that you had to keep your clothes in two sleeping bags.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_05: You had to have two sleeping bags.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_05: It would get 15, 20 below zero.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, it would get incredibly cold.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_05: Was it worth it?
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, it was, because the sheep there at that time of year, they were in a rut, and they were huge, huge sheep.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_05: And they were beautiful because the hair was so thick on them then.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_05: The big horn.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_05: The hair on them is incredibly thick, but the hunt is in so physical.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_05: The first time I went up, I was there, I hunted the full season was 14 days.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_05: On the 13th day, I had one shot.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_05: And if I had ever cons considered stopping bow hunting or quitting, it was on that 13th day.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_05: We sat and we watched this big ram in three Us.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_05: They bear down.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_05: And they bed down in a great spot.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_05: I had the wind in my face, and they were looking away.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_05: So we took our time and I got within 40 yards, had them all ranged.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_05: But I wanted to wait till he stood up.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_05: So I just sat there and waited.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_05: And probably after 30 minutes, he stood up, he's looking away from me broadside.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_05: Started back, and I got three quarters of the way back, and my release cut my loop.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_03: You're kidding.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_05: Lunched the arrow over his back, and of course, you know, they ran off.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_05: And that I had that sheep, you know, I I had range found it.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I'm not gonna say it's a chip shot, but I would've oh yeah, I would have killed that sheep.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_05: But to go through that much physical and mental torture for two weeks.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_05: 13 days for 13 days in the string loop and then miss the shot.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_03: Equipment failure, buddy.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but well, regardless, I missed a shot.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_03: So you didn't kill one on that?
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_05: I did not kill one.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_05: And you went back to I knew I had to come back and do it.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_05: And it was a big sheep, too.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_05: It was just, it was a hundred and seventy-five, hundred and eighty inch sheep.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_05: And I knew I had to come back and do it the next year.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_03: And I had to me that would be harder than the first one because you know what you went up against on that first hunt.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_05: I know how tough it's gonna be.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_05: And I, you know, so um my this is I was hunting with the Simpsons, they were absolutely fantastic guys, and they knew that was just a, you know.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_05: You ever seen a grown man cry?
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_05: I bet.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_03: I can't imagine.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_05: So he said, Well, Warren, you know, I got a tag, I'm gonna let you come back next year.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_05: And, you know, I continued to stay in good physical shape, and I came back the next year, and on the third day of the hunt.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_05: That's a 181-inch bighorn.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_05: The one in the yeah, yeah.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_05: And I can remember that shot because he was chasing a U.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_05: He was 52 yards.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_05: And, you know, it's just a slow, little jog, and and it's kind of going up away, and I knew exactly how to shoot that shot.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_05: So I drew on him.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_05: I can remember when I put that pin at a 50-yard pin.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_05: I put one foot in front of his nose.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_05: I saw the arrow smoked him.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_05: He's going away.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_05: But the arrow was sticking in the snow ahead of him.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_05: Shot all the way through him.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_05: Frank, Frank said, Yeah, shot all the way through him.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_05: And uh Frank said you missed him.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_05: No, I didn't miss him.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_05: I saw it.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_05: He made about four more steps.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_03: I was thinking how far to go with that big hole in.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_05: Uh he probably went another 40 yards and rolled down the mountain.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, that was that was a great hunt.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, you know, whenever you get a sheep, you know, it's just and the only thing that I really wanted to do, shooting a 29 was great.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_05: You know, that was fine, I guess.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_05: But if you shoot a grand slow with a ball, that is quite an accomplishment.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_05: Because once you break above timberline, it seems like it's an impossible feat because you just see miles and miles, there's no cover.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_03: Straight up, straight up.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_05: And very seldom are they by themselves.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_05: You know, sheep is usually, and they got great eyes, they're smart animals.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_05: They have zero curiosity.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_05: It's just like having a five-year-old buck, you know.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_05: You're gonna go out and shoot him, he's got five or six dollars with him with no cover.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_05: You know, that's how it is, sheep hunting, you know.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_05: But it can be done.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_05: If this old boy from southern Arkansas did it, it's not an impossible feat, but it's a lot of work.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_03: I was just gonna say, don't take on that task like, especially with a bow and air.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_03: Like I say, I watched that because I just binge watch Billy Moles.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_03: He's a great guy.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_03: He's just he's a guy.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_05: I've heard so much great things about Billy.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_03: And you you get to watching that stuff, and they're popping those things at a couple hundred yards, and sometimes it takes a week, and I'm like, Dr.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_03: Dr.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_03: Warren did that with a bow and air four times.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_03: That that's insane.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_03: Now, uh, which one of the 29 was the hardest to get?
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I ain't talking about 15 days on a mount, I'm talking about was the most problem.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_05: You see that brown bear?
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_05: Now, this is the truth.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_03: 10 and a half foot brown bear.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, yeah, I think he was, yeah, 10, 6, 10, 7.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_05: He was a great brown bear.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_05: But it was six hunts and 105 days in the field.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_05: The second worst area uh to hunt in is on the peninsula in Alaska because there uh in October, either it's raining or it's just stopped or it's coming in.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_05: And it's never cold enough to freeze.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_05: You know, it's between 38 and 45 degrees.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_05: It's miserable.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_03: Windy and wet.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_05: Windy and wet.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_05: And I don't care what kind of gear you have, after about eight or ten days out there, you're gonna be wet and damp.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but I would say that of all of the animals that I've harvested of the 29, the one that probably means the most is the brown bear.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_05: It's not that I didn't have the opportunities, I passed up a lot of bears, probably I would say 30 to 40 bears, I passed up.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_05: But my goal was to shoot a 10-foot bear.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_05: And after I had set that goal and I had let a lot of bears walk by me after that second hunt, then I fell and I said, you know, if I lower my standards, I wasted a lot of time.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_05: So I went and I I hunted with a guy named Henry Tiffany, and Henry is a master guy, and of all the guys I've been with, he is absolutely the very best.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_05: And he said, he loved it out there, and he wasn't in a hurry.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_05: He said, Well, Warren, he said, you know, we have all season.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_05: I would go and stay the whole season, 22 days.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_05: You know, and he said, you know, if you want to shoot a twin, you know, a 10-foot bear, that's what we're gonna shoot.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_05: He never, ever, and I can remember several times because we would get within, you know, 30 to 40 yards, definitely shooting range.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_05: And he said, he's nine and a half foot, he won't make 10, and we would back out.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_05: Did that a lot.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_03: You know how good you gotta be to to be able to make that call.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_03: Those son, you can't tell how big you can tell.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_03: I can't.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_05: No, they're they're very, very difficult.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_05: But Henry has done it for many, many years, and he is outstanding.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_05: And I can remember when, you know, that's another really hunt.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_05: I was actually in the lake in the water when I shot that bear.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_05: I have to show you the footage.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_05: We had on GoPro.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_05: So this was the uh, I think this was probably I hunted with Henry on three different hunts.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_05: So this was probably 60 days with Henry, and this was the third hunt.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_05: And it was day eight, it was 22 days, this was day 19.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_05: The three days prior to that, and let me just backtrack just a little bit.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_05: You know, big bears are like big white tails, they have zero curiosity, and once they know you're there, they leave the area and they never come back.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_05: If they wind you, he's gone, he's gone.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_05: If you walk down in that valley that he's in and he crosses your track, he leaves.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_05: So you have to be really patient.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_05: We had spotted that bear probably seven or eight days earlier, but the area that he was in because of the wind, we just couldn't go in there, you know.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_05: And finally, when we got an opportunity to go in, uh they was gonna go in, a big storm came up, and for three days we couldn't leave the tent.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, those I'm talking about 50, 60 mile an hour winds.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_05: These are big, big storms.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_05: Just didn't so on the uh third day it broke, uh, and the weather cleared.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, it was a beautiful day, an unusual day down uh on the peninsula.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_05: Party cloudy, blue sky, no wind.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_05: So we woke up that morning, we see, and Henry said, This is the day we're gonna be to Hunter Valley, and we had a south wind.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_05: So everything was perfect.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_05: So we took off uh hiking.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_05: It was three of us.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Henry had an a uh younger guy that was training with him, it was myself, and we had about a six-mile hike.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_03: Packer.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_03: At the packer, that's right.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_03: That's exactly right.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_03: Who's learning and cutting?
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_05: That's right, he's a packer, that's exactly right.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_05: So we started off, and Bob was a packer.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_05: Bob was probably 21 years old.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so we started, and we got about three miles, and so we're gonna stop and you know, just to kind of take a break.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_05: We ate a sandwich.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_05: And Bob was kind of looking out there, you know, and and he said, Warren, Henry had walked off to the right to take a look, probably 50 yards away.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_05: And he said, Warren, I think I see a bear.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_05: So there were two lakes out there.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_05: There was one that was probably two or three hundred yards, probably probably four hundred, five hundred yards, and then there was another one probably half a mile away, a long ways.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm looking, I pulled my binoculars off, and I'm looking at that closer lake, and I'm just looking.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_05: I said, Bob, I don't see anything.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_05: I said, What do you mean you see a bear?
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_05: I said, I see a big brown spot there.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_05: He said, I'm pretty sure it's a bear.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_05: And I keep looking.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_05: I said, now show me exactly where you're looking.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_05: He said, Well, where are you looking?
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_05: I said, Well, I'm looking at the you're talking about this, the front leg.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_05: He said, No, I'm talking about that back leg.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_05: He didn't even have any binoculars.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_05: I said, Bob, there's no way that you can see a bear.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_05: I said, That's a quarter of a mile, or that's a half a mile away.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_05: He said, I think it's one.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_05: So I called Henry.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_05: I said, Henry, Bob thinks he sees a bear land over there.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_05: So Henry comes back, he gets his binoculars.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_05: He said, I see the brown spot.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_05: He saw it about, puts a spot and scope.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_05: He said, It is a bear, it was bedded.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_05: A kid saw that bear for, I mean, it was probably half a mile.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_05: Unbelievable.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_05: Unbelievable.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I I it took me a while to pick him up with binoculars.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_05: So he said, I don't know how big he is.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_05: He's bedded down.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_05: He said, let's get closer.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_05: So we started hiking, and it probably took us 40 minutes or so, and we got about 300 yards.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_05: And he was out on a peninsula.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_05: It was and he was laying out on that peninsula.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_05: And it probably was the peninsula he was on, it's probably as wide as his room, you know, probably 30, 40 feet wide.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_05: Probably went out into the lake, probably another 60 feet.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_05: But it was very secure for him because he was surrounded by water and nothing was going to really slip up on him.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_05: Um so we got closer and we looked, and Henry said, That's a nice bear.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_05: He said, But I just don't know how big he is.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_05: And finally that bear stood up and stretched.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_05: We're about, you know, again, with we're about 300 yards.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_05: Henry said, That's a big bear.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_05: He said, That's a ten-foot bear.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_05: He said, Warren, that's him.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_05: And the willows were six foot tall.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I said, Henry, how are we gonna shoot that bear?
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_05: How are we gonna get to him?
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_05: He said, Well, Warren, he said, uh, I think we just probably should just sit here and just wait till he gets up and he's gonna go feed.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_05: And if he walked by us, we'll get a shot.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_05: I said, Henry, I've been out here with you for 57 days.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_05: He said the chances of that bear getting up and walking by us and I'm getting a shot is absolutely zero to no chance.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_05: He said, Well, what else are we gonna do?
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_05: Because the grass, the willows were that tall.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_05: If I walked right up on them, I probably couldn't see him if I was four foot inch that tall.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_05: And I looked around.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_05: I said, Bob, go walk down in that lake and see how deep it is.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_05: He said, Yeah.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_05: And he looked over and I said, Yeah, just go see how deep it is.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_05: So he walked down there.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, we had them waders, Sims waders, so they're great to hike in and they keep you very dry.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_05: So he walked down in there and and he came back up.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_05: He said, It's got a pretty good bottom, it's not very deep, it's about knee deep.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_05: I said, Henry, that's how we're gonna kill that bear.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_05: I said, We're gonna have to go across in that lake to shoot him.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_05: And he was on the other side, we were on this side of the peninsula.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_05: And Henry said, now you know, Warren, I've never done this before.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_05: I said, Well, Henry, I said, I think we're gonna have to give it a chance, give it a shot.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_05: That's the only chance that we have.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_05: So we started across the lake.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_05: We had our GoPros on.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_05: We got about 40 yards from where we're gonna turn the corner, you know.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_05: Didn't know exactly where that bear was.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_05: So Henry, I said, All right, Henry, this is why you get the big bucks.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_05: You got that gun if he comes out.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_05: He said, Well, I don't know what he's gonna do.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_05: And he turns that bank, you know.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_05: He said, He could charge or whatever.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_05: He said, 'cause we wanted to wake him up.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_05: So we turned the bank and I look out.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_05: When I made that corner, I could see a big hunk of brown fur.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_05: I didn't know where his head was.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_05: I didn't know where it's I just you just couldn't tell which way the bear was laying.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_05: And and I put my range finder on, I was 21 yards.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_05: I remember it was 21 yards from him, and he was asleep.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_05: I mean stone sleep.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_05: I said, Henry, what are we what are we gonna want to do?
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_05: He said, You gotta wake him up, Warren.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_05: I said, Wake him up.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_05: See, I couldn't pick up a rod because I'm standing in water and he did get to throw at him, so I didn't have anything to throw.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_05: I said, Well how I said, I'm gonna pick him up.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_05: He said, talk to him.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_05: I said, What do you mean, talk to him?
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_05: He said, just say something.
• 1:03:18
  unknown: I said, Okay.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_05: I said, hey bear.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_05: His ears starting.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_05: I said loud.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_05: I said, hey bear.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_05: I'm at four draw.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_05: And he stands up and he looks and he sits down on his hunches.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_05: You know how a dog would sit down.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_05: Right in the chest.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_05: Right in the chest.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_05: It looks like he opened up and swallowed that arrow.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_05: It was a two-inch three-blade cut.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_05: Holy shit.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_05: And he started toward me and he stopped.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_05: And he turned and ran.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_05: He ran, he ran off 40 yards, and I saw him fall.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_05: Oh so that was probably one of 60 or 70 days.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_05: On that, yeah.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_05: I had spent three different hunts on him.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_05: I spent a total of 105 days, but he was 10-7.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_05: That's that bear right there.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_05: That's uh that's my most memorial hunt right there.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_03: And it was just as far as just not terrain and not worth it.
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_03: That was the toughest one.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_03: It took the most days.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_05: It took the most days.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, we had gun hunters.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_05: He had two or three different camps where he had other guys.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_05: After five or six days out there, they would leave.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_05: It would just, you know, it's just that tough of a terrain.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_05: It's cold, wet, uncomfortable.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_03: You were blessed to be with a guy that was on the same page with you too.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_03: Because a lot of times it doesn't get him in, get him out.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_05: Get him out, get him in.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_05: Henry was no, you know, he was perfectly fine with me.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_05: And if I didn't shoot one that year, he would let me come back the next year, you know.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you're right.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_05: There's very few guys that would tolerate that kind of patience in that weather and in that environment.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_05: And he had been hunting all year long.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, he had been up in July sheep hunting, you know.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_05: So, but no, it was not his goal to get in there and shoot a bear and get out.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_03: Different kind of men up there.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_05: The different type of man, absolutely.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_03: You've probably figured out, and you've known all along that I'm a fan.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_03: But let me tell you what's so amazing about me sitting here in this room that nobody knows about other than your family.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_03: And like you said that on the 29th, it just was it was kind of an afterthroat getting that super slam.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_03: And that's that's one of the most humbling things I've ever seen.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_03: But you were never trying to chase the record book, and you said you don't have hardly any of these entered in the record.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_03: What who were you you weren't competing with anybody, were you?
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_05: Oh no, no.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_05: This was really just a personal peygranage for myself.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, you know, I wanted to do it under my own rules, um, you know, with no deadlines.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_05: And it's just been a great journey because there was no pressure.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I got a chance to really enjoy the voyage, you know.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_05: Uh if I went out and I didn't shoot anything, uh You know, that's perfectly fine.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_05: Gives me an opportunity to come back.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_05: But if I had to do it all over again, cuz, I would do it exactly the same way.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, social media is great.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_05: I think there's a place for it.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_05: It just wasn't a place for me.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_03: You and Fred Bear.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_03: The only reason they made those old 16 millimeter films of him is because the people that were starting to run his company, you gotta go do it.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's right.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_03: I saw a picture of Fred Bear with his bear in your restroom in there, and I was like, yeah, that's uh Yeah, I got two mentors.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_05: Fred Bear was one.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_05: I never met him, but he I read everything, saw everything that he did.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_05: He was a great influence.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_05: And the other one is M.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_05: R.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_05: James.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_05: MR James.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_05: I love M.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_05: R.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_05: James.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_05: The great thing about M.R., I can see him, I can talk with him, I can read all of his work that he's done, but he has had a tremendous impact on where I am and what I have done.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_05: You know, the gold standard for ethics, uh, you know, he's had a tremendous influence as much as anyone on promoting this sport and allowing the sport to grow where it is today.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I filmed him killing a deer in Texas from the ground.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_05: You gotta be kidding.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_03: People ask me what's some of my highlights.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_03: And when you talk about highlights, you kind of got to take your family out.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_03: But when you're talking about other people, I filmed him down there.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_03: He wanted to bite and stalk a whitetail, and I was rolling my eyes, and it took us five days, but he finally did it.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_03: And I got it and put it on Hunt in the Country.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_03: It's one of my favorite hunts because he was the absolute class act.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_05: When you talk about Class Act, you know, MR is at the very, very top.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_05: He's a great guy.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_05: Love him.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_03: And those, you know, him and the white shoe, all those guys, they just did it for the adventure.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_03: Which I'm pretty much that's sure that's why you did it.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_05: Well, you know, it was those guys cut the trail, you know.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_05: I just walked, I just walked down their path.
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_05: There we go.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_03: All right, moving on.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_03: I gotta ask you some gear questions.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_03: Some of this is just personal.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_03: Because I want to know.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_03: I used to watch a shoot and all that kind of stuff, but I'm gonna ask you some gear questions.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_03: Because at some point we're gonna talk about heart health and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_05: Sure.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm just gonna kind of go down the list.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_03: You're still shooting 80 pounds.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_03: We already established you like mechanical heads.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna pass that because I don't do brands, I don't really care.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_03: I'm all about what's working for Dr.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_03: Warren Strickland.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_03: Clearly one of the best bow hunters on the planet.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_03: You like mechanical heads.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_03: I do too.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_03: Move on to something else.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_03: What kind of arrow rest?
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_05: So I just shoot a follow-way rest.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_05: I don't like limb-driven rests.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_05: I use cable-driven rest, and there's two that I but if I'm gonna go on a sheep hunt, I'm gonna take the trophy taker.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_05: It's a follow away rest, but it's absolutely bulletproof.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_05: There's no moving parts, there's nothing to break.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_05: You can't get on top of a mountain and have them, and that's what I've learned from experience.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_05: And what's it?
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_05: It's called a trophy taker.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_05: Trophy taker, yeah.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_05: But it's a follow-way rest.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_05: It'll lift the arrow up, and when you shoot, it's cable driven.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_03: And what kind of release a?
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_05: Still Scott.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_05: I've shot a Scott Scott.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_05: I've shot a Scott release, which is a thumb release or it's a thumb release, and I got where I can back tension that release.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_05: You know, the problems with, and I know a lot of guys like um back tension release, but I want sometimes you need to know when that arrow's gonna go off.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_05: But I spent a lot of time getting where I could back tension my scar release.
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_05: So basically my finger never moves, and this is the movement.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_05: It's the shoulder girdle to activate it.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_05: Just push a little forward and poof, you still get that surprise shot.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_05: But sometimes you gotta pull the trigger.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_05: That's just what I say.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_05: A 10 and a half foot brown bear, 20 yards, you probably wasn't thinking about backtention.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_05: You you gotta pull, you're absolutely correct.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what that feels like, but I can't, I still get knocked knee with a, you know, a big four-year-old doe walks up on me.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's nothing like it.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_05: But I still shoot Scott release, they're a tough release.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_05: I can tell you one story about a Scott.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_05: I was out in my yard, I dropped one, and I lost it, and I never could find that release.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_05: A year later, I was cutting the grass and I hit it.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_05: Picked it up.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_05: And of course, the strap was, you know, was in pretty bad shape, but I cut that strap off, I oiled it up, put another strap on it.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_05: I had that release for another five years.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_05: He laid in the dirt and mud for a year.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_03: He's one of the old, I mean, they've been around forever.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_05: As long as I can remember.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's that's cutting the grass and found it.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_03: Did your family ever hunt much with you?
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_03: I I I ain't talking about at this level.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_05: So my dad and I hunted together a lot.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, you know, we did a lot of rabbit hunting, bird hunting, dove hunting, uh, even deer hunting and deer camp.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_05: But even during the gun season, even today, because I can say this, I have never shot a big game man with a rifle.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_03: I knew that.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_05: I kind of knew that I would always take my ball.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_05: And my dad was a very he was a real stickler about rules and regulations.
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_05: Normally by the time the rifle season had opened, you could shoot two deer in in um Arkansas at that time.
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_05: I had shot my two deer.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_05: So, I mean, my deer season was over usually by the time the rifle season had opened.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_03: Before it even got cold.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, before it even got cold.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_05: That's exactly right.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_03: Tell me about Ashley.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_05: So Ashley had.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_03: I saw a quote or heard you somewhat like, she may be the best hunter in the family.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_05: You know, Ashley had phenomenal eyesight.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_05: She was strong and uh started shooting a boat when she was five.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_05: So yeah.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_05: So she was a really, really good shot and a great recurve shooter.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, she shot seven Pope and Young Bucks with a recurve.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_05: I haven't done that.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_05: Mm-hmm.
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_05: Two or three in Kansas.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_05: She shot two in Alabama.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_05: It's hard to shoot a pop and young buck in Alabama.
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_03: But with a recurve.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_05: We got a recurve.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_05: And she shot a uh Bear 58 Kodiak.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_05: And she said, Dad, you know, I just want something simple.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_05: Every time I see you with your ball, you know, you got a wrench or something on her.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_05: You're adjusting it.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_05: I don't want to do that.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_05: I just want to pick up and start shooting.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_05: And she shot bare ball with no sights.
• 1:12:44
  SPEAKER_05: And 30 yards out, she was very good.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_05: She's won lots and lots of tournaments with a recurve.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_05: You know, she shot competitive for a very, very long time after she got married, but just a really, really good shot.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_05: Really good shot.
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_03: You know that's a gift from God to be able to do that.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_05: It is, in my opinion.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I I agree with you.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_05: You know, certain things you just can't coach.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_05: You know, she just had, and Ashley was a great shot with a rifle, uh, great shot with a shotgun.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_05: Did you see the picture over there?
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'm gonna take a picture of that.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's that's a Kansas buck she shot.
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_05: 45 pounds.
• 1:13:19
  SPEAKER_05: Now she shot a uh fixed blade broadhead, shot a 45-pound recur, which is pretty stout for a girl, but she shot through most of her deer.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_03: Unbelievable.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_03: Well, she's got some good DNA, but you still gotta have discipline.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_03: And we're gonna wrap this up, but I got I gotta ask you.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_03: I can't imagine take the bow hunting off the thing, what you do for a living, and your reputation and all that, and uh and cardiology and all that stuff.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_03: Where do you where does your discipline come from?
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_03: Is it an inner thing?
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_03: Was it your dad, your mom?
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_03: Because you gotta have something.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you know, I just think it's just how we're wired, you know.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_05: Um and I think it comes with time, but it's just a part of who I am, you know.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_05: Um I was always very patient.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_05: Delayed gratification was perfectly fine with me.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I it didn't have have to happen today or the next day.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_05: I was willing to wait for a month, two months, or yeah, right now.
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_05: Uh or years.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_05: Um I just always felt that, you know, I wanted to do it the right way.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_05: And a lot of times doing it the right way takes time and patience.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and you can imagine with time and patience, you can get a lot of things done and you can get it done the right way.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's certainly.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_05: And I couldn't, you know, because you know, I had you know, I'm not gonna say it's obsessive, compulsive, but it it if I did something, I I wanted to do it the best of my ability.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_05: If I went to a tournament or if I did something and I worked as hard as I could, I came in last place, I was perfectly fine with it.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_05: But if I went to a tournament and I won and I felt that I left some things undone, I didn't feel really good about that.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_05: So, you know, I just felt that whatever uh I decided to do, I should do it with a hundred percent effort or not fool with it.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_03: Man, I hope a lot of young people hear this.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_03: I gotta ask you this from a personal standpoint.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_05: Sure.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_03: What you do for a living, your family, all this bounce, how do you have a a niche or some kind of plan?
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_03: How do you manage your time?
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_03: You do it with a with a journal, you do it on how do you manage your time?
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_05: Well, first of all, I tell everyone if you can uh divorce your bed four hours of sleep, that's all I need, you know.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_05: When I was young, four to five hours of sleep is I trained myself.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_05: That that's all I needed, you know.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_05: And then I would on Sunday night I would write out my plan for that week.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_05: And I usually that's it.
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_05: I would say, okay, Monday I'm gonna do this, Tuesday I'm gonna do that, you know.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and I did that religiously for years.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_05: But you gotta have a plan.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_05: You just can't, you know, uh you can't react.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_05: You just can't react.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_05: You gotta have a plan.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_05: I had to manage my time because I didn't have a lot of time and every hour counted.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_05: And I did not have a romance with my bed.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I I got enough sleep uh to become, and you only need four to five hours of sleep, really.
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_05: Now as you get older, you need more cardiology.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's right.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_05: Y'all hear that.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, right.
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but yeah, it was being very conscious of my time and to be very efficient with my time.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_05: And the great thing about hunting uh and my setup, and you can see here that I spent a lot of time at home, except for three months of a year during the hunting season.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_05: I was I was out.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_05: But the other nine months of the year, I was at home.
• 1:17:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:17:25
  SPEAKER_05: I was at home with my kids.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_05: I didn't miss any uh baseball practices.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I trained my my uh youngest daughter, she got a full scholarship to Auburn where she ran track.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I did all of her training, I went to all of her track meets.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, so I spent a lot of time with my kids because, you know, that's something you can't get back.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you know.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um time, that time, manage.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_05: You just gotta manage your time, you know.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_05: And I was very, very good at time, man.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_03: Week at a time.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_05: That's right.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_05: One week at a time, that's right.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_05: Really one day at a time.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:17:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I got grandkids now, and they're from 14 to 20 something.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_03: I told you, my oldest one, she's working on her doctorate now.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_03: But uh and I I uh That's an accomplishment, that's a lot of work.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you look straight A's.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_03: This this child has never made a B in her life.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_03: And I a God-given talent.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_03: That is I'm telling you, it's unbelievable.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_03: And um, she gets a kick out of me being on social media.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_03: She's you know, of course, that's their world, and and I do a lot of stuff, and I get I read stuff and all this, and and some kids get discouraged now.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the economy's this and all that.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_03: I want to hear your opinion.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_03: We're uh we're past the bow hunting stuff now.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_03: Any advice for young people these days who are finding it hard to hit a goal, whether it's personal or financial or job related.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_03: What you listening to some some young kid headed into college or just got out and I can't find a job.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_03: What what would your advice do to him?
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so the first thing when you go to college, you have to have a goal.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_03: A plan.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_05: A plan, yeah.
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_05: That's exactly right.
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_05: The person that's not gonna make it through, if he has a major of undecided, you have to be decided, you have to know exactly what you're gonna do, and you gotta have a plan.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_05: And once you have that plan, you need to make your mind up that you're gonna execute what you put on that piece of paper, and there's nothing wrong with writing it down and scratching it out as you accomplish your goals, and you have to remember that nothing great occurs overnight.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_05: It takes time.
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_05: You have to build one block at a time, and then you stop and you look back a year or two, there are a lot of blocks that you put in place.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_05: What I see for a lot of young kids um and we're all, you know, we were the same way, is that they want to rush to make things happen, but it it's it's it's no hurry.
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_05: You know, you have the rest of your life to get it done.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_05: Do it and do it correctly.
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_05: Have a passion about what what you're doing.
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_05: You have to be focused, you can't do several things at one time and be very good at it.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_05: You just have to pick one thing, concentrate all your time on it, and be the best that you can be at that.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_03: I got a picture from my middle grandson.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_03: He started last week.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_03: Mississippi State, he's a freshman, and his mom sent me a picture she was real proud of.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_03: First class, first day of class, he was sitting on the front row.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_05: That's right.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I talked and He was serious.
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I and he she said, We read this thing about if you're serious, sit on the front row.
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 1:20:50
  SPEAKER_03: Make eye contact with your professor.
• 1:20:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, that's pretty cool.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't go to college, but I I was like, make just make the most of it.
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely correct.
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_03: I can't imagine how I bet you are a front row person.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_03: You would have had to have been.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I um, you know, it was I was a jock in high school, you know, football, uh basketball, track and field.
• 1:21:15
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I lettered and everything.
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_05: But I knew when I was in the tenth grade that I was going to go to medical school.
• 1:21:23
  SPEAKER_05: I had set that goal.
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_05: And once I graduated from high school, I went to summer school so I could get some study habits and you know, just kind of learn my way around the campus, around college, uh, just get a feel for things.
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_05: And I took off from there, you know.
• 1:21:42
  SPEAKER_05: But it was just blinders on.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_05: Blinders on, yeah.
• 1:21:45
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's good advice.
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_03: Some of them they get aggravated and they, you know, and there's a whole bunch of bad stuff out there about m people my age.
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even know what there's millennials and Gen X.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a baby boomer, and they're like, Russia, oh, they're uh they don't have anything to do with their grandkids and they're holding them.
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, no, it's like work.
• 1:22:04
  SPEAKER_05: That's right.
• 1:22:05
  SPEAKER_03: I don't care what the economy is.
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_05: That's exactly right.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta put your nose down and get after it.
• 1:22:09
  SPEAKER_05: You gotta work, absolutely.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta be one of the best examples on the planet.
• 1:22:13
  SPEAKER_03: One more question, then we're gonna do a second podcast if you unless you keep me out of your trophy.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_05: No problem at all.
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm looking at I'm looking at sheep, some of the biggest elk.
• 1:22:25
  SPEAKER_03: There's a moose down there that I can't take my eyes off of.
• 1:22:28
  SPEAKER_03: Polar bears.
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_03: There's there's unbeliev there's a white tail wall here that just is stupid.
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_03: I will post some of these when I start promoting this podcast.
• 1:22:38
  SPEAKER_03: And you made the comment to me, and you maybe just been picking at me because it's me, that turkeys, wild turkeys are you're still your favorite.
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, absolutely.
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_05: I I cannot of everything in here, if one if someone said you can pick one thing to do, and that's all you can do, it would be spring turkeys.
• 1:23:00
  SPEAKER_05: Really?
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_05: Because this is what I feel to be a good spring turkey hunter, you gotta have good woodsmanship.
• 1:23:09
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 1:23:10
  SPEAKER_05: You gotta know the terrain, you gotta know the quarry.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_05: You gotta be a really good hunter.
• 1:23:18
  SPEAKER_05: There are not a lot of people out there now that can go walk out in the woods, sit under a tree, and call a turkey out.
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_05: It's a lost story.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm gonna tell you this there are a lot of people who can kill a deer.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_05: You know, you can and shoot a nice bug.
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_05: Because how many of you know that can walk out, find a gobbler, and consistently call him up in the spring?
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's uh it can be very humbling.
• 1:23:47
  SPEAKER_05: It can be it can be it can be very, very humbling.
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_03: Considering their brains the size of a pea.
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_05: It's like that's exactly right.
• 1:23:53
  SPEAKER_05: But no.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_03: You have promised me you're gonna go turkey hunt with me this morning.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, absolutely.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_03: I want to learn from the best.
• 1:23:59
  SPEAKER_05: You guys are the very, very best.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_05: You are the standard barriers, the gold standard for turkey hunting.
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_03: I've learned turkey hunting's all about where you do it.
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 1:24:11
  SPEAKER_03: I got the play, so we're gonna move on to something.
• 1:24:14
  SPEAKER_03: Dr.
• 1:24:14
  SPEAKER_02: Warren, you are uh an amazing person, and I told you when I was talking to you on the phone I'll get ones up, good ones up, good ones up, good ones up, good ones up, good ones up, good ones up, good ones I'm good ones up, good ones I get ones up, good ones out, good ones I get ones up, good ones I get ones up, good ones I get ones up, good ones up, good ones I get ones up, good ones out, good ones I get ones up, good ones I get ones up, good ones I get ones up, good ones, good ones I get ones up, good ones I get ones up, good ones I get ones up, good ones I'm good ones I get ones up, good ones up, good ones I get ones up, good ones I get ones up, good ones I'm good ones I'm good ones, good ones I'm good ones I'm good ones out there.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_03: Unbelievable athletes and all that, but before all that, it was Dr.
• 1:24:51
  SPEAKER_03: Warren Strickland.
• 1:24:52
  SPEAKER_05: Well, cuz, you know, I really appreciate that.
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_05: I've had a a great ride, uh, met some great people, uh, seen some great country.
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_05: It's kept me in very good mental and physical shape.
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_05: So bow hunting has been very, very good to me, and that's why now I have spent a lot of time in giving back.
• 1:25:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, sir.
• 1:25:11
  SPEAKER_05: You know, like uh you you know, I've heard a lot of people uh I heard someone I heard a statement said that we're we don't own our time in the woods now.
• 1:25:24
  SPEAKER_05: We're just borrowing it from our kids and our grandkids.
• 1:25:26
  SPEAKER_03: That was a great Indian chief that said that.
• 1:25:28
  SPEAKER_05: That's right.
• 1:25:28
  SPEAKER_05: We we gotta pay back.
• 1:25:30
  SPEAKER_05: And the best way to pay back is for conservation.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_03: That's you know and you you work hard, you raise a lot of money for all that now.
• 1:25:37
  SPEAKER_03: And we're gonna talk about that a little bit on on the the medical side of that, but I I'm still a little bit in awe.
• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_03: And when we put this podcast up while I'm promoting, I'm gonna share some of these pictures.
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_03: Ain't dropping no pens, I ain't taking any pictures of them rattlesnake.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_03: He's got a rattlesnake stretched on this pool table that's literally longer than the pool table.
• 1:25:56
  SPEAKER_03: But if you'll let me allow me, I'm gonna we're gonna go down the heart path for a little bit.
• 1:26:00
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 1:26:01
  SPEAKER_03: One of the most popular podcasts I ever did at a health guy is a chiropractor with a degree in nutrition, and the name of that podcast was What Can I Eat from the Gas Station?
• 1:26:13
  SPEAKER_03: So we're gonna go down that road if you're gonna be.
• 1:26:15
  SPEAKER_05: No problem at all.
• 1:26:16
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Dr.
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_03: Warren.
• 1:26:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm in my tree stand every afternoon.
• 1:26:22
  SPEAKER_00: I escape the stupid world with my Mossy Oak camera, which by the way, I'm getting on the Mossy Oak podcast.
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's called Fistful of Dirt, which pretty much summarizes my life.
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, in Braveheart and the Gladiator, when the Gladiator went to fight the evil forces, he'd kneel down and get a fistful of dirt and fondled the essence, the physics of spirituality of the earth, and that we all must remain grounded down to earth.
• 1:26:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I fondle earth every day.
• 1:26:58
  SPEAKER_01: You're listening to Fistful of Dirt, presented by Mossy Oak Properties.
• 1:27:04
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:27:05
  unknown: Man.
• 1:27:06
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I did a talk last week at the uh they had a fundraiser down in Livingston, Alabama, University of West Alabama.
• 1:27:14
  SPEAKER_03: And it was for their fishing team.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, cool.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_03: Which was uh you talking about some passion and stuff down there, and all the they call them angler athletes, they were all there.
• 1:27:25
  SPEAKER_03: It was like 60 of them.
• 1:27:27
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:27:27
  SPEAKER_03: And and when I got in the room and was saw what was going on, I kind of changed my normal talk.
• 1:27:34
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, first off, it's a fishing crowd.
• 1:27:36
  SPEAKER_03: One of the guys up here heard I was going down there and said, What are you gonna talk about at a fishing crowd?
• 1:27:41
  SPEAKER_03: And I said, Hey, you know this, I got more fishing stories than I do hunt stores.
• 1:27:45
  SPEAKER_03: But what I decided to talk about was how to separate yourself.
• 1:27:51
  SPEAKER_06: Uh-huh.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_03: And and they got a great squad, great coaches, great backing, great parents, and all that.
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_03: But at some point, You still need to separate yourself.
• 1:28:02
  SPEAKER_03: And the whole time I was up there talking and I did my best story I told about was like I went to this store opening one time.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_03: It was a s not even a big, big store.
• 1:28:12
  SPEAKER_03: I got it and it was in Georgia.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_03: I remember that.
• 1:28:14
  SPEAKER_03: I drove over there, got there the day before, met everybody.
• 1:28:17
  SPEAKER_03: What time were y'all gonna be here in the morning?
• 1:28:19
  SPEAKER_03: Tomorrow's grand opening.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna be the first one there.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_03: I'm the mafu rep.
• 1:28:24
  SPEAKER_03: And uh got all that information.
• 1:28:26
  SPEAKER_03: I think they were gonna open at seven, so I got there at like six thirty and there was already a car there.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_03: And this dude got out of the car.
• 1:28:35
  SPEAKER_03: Not only did he beat me there, he had six boxes of donuts.
• 1:28:40
  SPEAKER_03: It was Kevin Van Damme, the goat.
• 1:28:43
  SPEAKER_03: And I told that story down there.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_03: I said, that's why he's the goat.
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:28:47
  SPEAKER_03: And he treated every person that came through that door like he hadn't seen him since high school.
• 1:28:51
  SPEAKER_03: It was uh he made me humble.
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_06: Character.
• 1:28:55
  SPEAKER_03: What a great way.
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_03: And and that was my point to all those young guys.
• 1:28:58
  SPEAKER_03: Separate yourself.
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_03: Do the right thing.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_03: Don't be dropping F-bombs, open doors for ladies.
• 1:29:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'm saying people are watching.
• 1:29:06
  SPEAKER_03: Man, you think Dr.
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_03: Warren Stricken hadn't lived his whole life like that?
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, you can tell he's a man of integrity, honorable, just a good guy.
• 1:29:16
  SPEAKER_03: It was amazing.
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_03: I made a Facebook post last week about who's coming up and it went crazy.
• 1:29:24
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 1:29:24
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even know how people found it.
• 1:29:27
  SPEAKER_03: Hundreds of comments about what he's done.
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_03: He's my cardiologist.
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_03: He said it was one and it wasn't about bow hunting, it was about what kind of person.
• 1:29:37
  SPEAKER_03: One after another after another.
• 1:29:39
  SPEAKER_03: And he sent me a text a couple days later, said Because my office phone's blowing up, and I went, Apologies, it's gonna get worse.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_06: In the next couple weeks.
• 1:29:48
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm telling you, every once in a while you when you run into a person like that, and I told him, I said, We just need to share you because you you you're not beating your own chest.
• 1:29:56
  SPEAKER_03: Let me let me share you with some people.
• 1:29:58
  SPEAKER_03: And he was he was fairly open to it.
• 1:30:00
  SPEAKER_06: So So much of his stories about his grand almost like an unintentional grand slam that at the very end became intentional because he realized how close he was.
• 1:30:12
  SPEAKER_06: It made me think.
• 1:30:13
  SPEAKER_06: I was watching this interview online the other day and they were and it was men and women that are quote unquote influencers.
• 1:30:20
  SPEAKER_06: And they were like, if you couldn't take your phone to the gym, if you couldn't take your phone on that vacation, if you couldn't take your phone to the woods, would you have killed that deer?
• 1:30:29
  SPEAKER_06: Would you have taken that trip?
• 1:30:31
  SPEAKER_06: Would you have stayed an extra thirty minutes?
• 1:30:33
  SPEAKER_06: And most of them were like, honestly, no.
• 1:30:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:30:36
  SPEAKER_06: He did it all behind the scenes just for himself.
• 1:30:40
  SPEAKER_06: For him.
• 1:30:41
  SPEAKER_06: That's the coolest part of that.
• 1:30:42
  SPEAKER_06: He did it for the right reasons.
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's amazing.
• 1:30:44
  SPEAKER_03: Uh why I'm so stunned by the Super Slam.
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_03: He's got all those sheep, the doll sheep and the Rocky Mountain big horn.
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_06: Hard stuff.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_03: And one of my favorite people on the planet is Billy Mole.
• 1:30:57
  SPEAKER_03: Billy Mole.
• 1:30:58
  SPEAKER_03: He's been on here before, and I'm gonna call him and and interview him again, but he did such an unbelievable job of documenting, self-filming all those guy the hunts he guided up in that terrain and all that.
• 1:31:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:31:10
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't and as amazing as that stuff is, and I have watched it all.
• 1:31:16
  SPEAKER_03: You need to go to modern day mountain man, check that out.
• 1:31:19
  SPEAKER_03: But all those I can't recall it, one bow guy, it was all rifle guys.
• 1:31:24
  SPEAKER_03: And it would take them a week and they were just exhausted.
• 1:31:28
  SPEAKER_03: And and he did it with a bow and air and didn't even talk about it.
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_06: He talked about it with you.
• 1:31:33
  SPEAKER_06: I'm so glad.
• 1:31:34
  SPEAKER_06: I think people are gonna love that.
• 1:31:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:31:36
  SPEAKER_03: Well Dr.
• 1:31:38
  SPEAKER_03: Vaughn appreciate it.
• 1:31:39
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna have him back on here talking about heart health, what you can eat from the gas station, what you're supposed to do, and all that.
• 1:31:46
  SPEAKER_03: So that was a big one.
• 1:31:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh next week another big one.
• 1:31:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it is.
• 1:31:52
  SPEAKER_06: And we're we're kind of keeping the lid on that.
• 1:31:54
  SPEAKER_06: It's kind of special, but I think everybody's gonna love it.
• 1:31:57
  SPEAKER_06: It's uh it's very timely.
• 1:31:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, very timely, and I won't I won't spare your beans.
• 1:32:02
  SPEAKER_03: This was all Laurene again, as most of the good stuff is.
• 1:32:05
  SPEAKER_03: So y'all stay tuned for that.
• 1:32:07
  SPEAKER_03: Very, very epic episode next week.
• 1:32:10
  SPEAKER_03: So for Laurene and me up in the Camo Cave and Mossy Oak and Mossy Oak Properties, God bless you all.
• 1:32:17
  SPEAKER_06: We'll see you in seven days.