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- 0:00Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning. From Monday, April twenty ninth, I'm your
- 0:03host, tom Or the Akron game in one hundred and twenty four days,
- 0:06the gamigainst. Michigan in two hundred and fifteen days. The twenty twenty four
- 0:09NFL Draft now safely in the rearview mirror. Some interesting takeaways from that draft
- 0:16for both Ohio State and Michigan, and not necessarily the takeaways we thought we
- 0:22were going to have, because both teams felt like they had fewer people drafted
- 0:25than expected. So what does that mean for this year's Ohio State Michigan game.
- 0:29Well, we're gonna be talking about that today with other Buddy Tony Gerdim
- 0:32Mint Buckeyehuddle dot com. Tony, I think the maybe one of the more
- 0:37surprising things to me was only four Buckeyes picked in the draft. That is
- 0:42the smallest Ohio State NFL Draft class since twenty thirteen. Marvin Harrison and Mike
- 0:47Hall went early, had Stover, Tommy Eickenberg kind of went middle rounds,
- 0:51and then there were a whole bunch of guys that we thought, you know,
- 0:53hey, maybe Deal Chambers, maybe Josh Procter, maybe Matt Jones,
- 0:57guys like that, Zavier Johnson, you might see them picked. Nope,
- 1:00none of them, just the four guys. So when you hear smallest Ohio
- 1:06State NFL Draft class since twenty thirteen, what's your big takeaway from that?
- 1:11My big takeaway is generally what happens soon after a small draft class. And
- 1:15I always think back to the nineteen ninety eight Ohio State draft class, which
- 1:19consisted of nobody, and then you had the nineteen ninety eight team, which
- 1:26was, you know, built on some older guys, some guys coming into
- 1:30their own the best team in the nation that year, got upset by Michigan
- 1:33State, of course, but was number one for most of that year,
- 1:37and they didn't have anybody drafted the year before because they were still building that
- 1:41talent and just a little bit too young. This team, however, like
- 1:44Ohio State, this is built on what, like i'd say, eight guys
- 1:49legitimately saying no to the NFL Draft and returning for senior seasons. So I
- 1:55think that's that's the major reason why the numbers were low. And then you
- 2:00look at the guys that didn't go get drafted. Josh Proctor injury history a
- 2:05sixth year guy. That's not always a great thing when you when the NFL
- 2:09is looking at it. Same for Matt Jones had some foot injuries, and
- 2:15a sixth year guy, Xavier Johnson just a walk on, I think former
- 2:19walk on, So there's gonna be a little stigma there. I also think
- 2:22that he's a guy that can stick and do so many different things, so
- 2:25I think it's probably best for him that he got to choose which team he
- 2:29went to in a sense. But yeah, the top four guys went as
- 2:36expected, and then it was always like, well, could one of these
- 2:38guys could steal Chambers? Could somebody take a flyer on an athlete? That
- 2:43sort of thing. Josh Proctor had a fantastic senior sixth year senior season.
- 2:46Would that translate? And you know, when you're picking in the seventh round
- 2:53or sometimes you know, maybe that's more potential than anything else. And some
- 2:58guys picked just based on you know what, that guy has been in college
- 3:00for a while and it's a quicker transition to the NFL. But just too
- 3:06many question marks on the guys that didn't get picked, And when you look
- 3:12back some of the previous years where there were not a lot of guys picked.
- 3:15Two thousand and three for Ohio State coming off that national championship team,
- 3:17they only had five guys picked, and then the next year at an enormous
- 3:23draft class. I think it was fourteen the year after that, so one
- 3:25of the one of the biggest draft classes in Ohio State history. So that
- 3:29does tend to be, you know, you've got some younger talent who's not
- 3:32yet draft eligible or chosen not to enter the draft. I feel like this
- 3:37year's Ohio State team going to have some talent on it, But it is
- 3:40it is interesting to me that you see multi year starters not getting drafted,
- 3:46and that's that's you know, I'm not sure what exactly that says. You
- 3:51know, maybe it does feel like that traces back a little bit to recruiting,
- 3:54where you know, you had Steel Chambers as a multi year starter at
- 3:57linebacker, but they had to move him over from running back, and you
- 4:01had you had guys where just it felt like a lot of other guys didn't
- 4:05pan out, and that's how you ended up with, Hey, you've got
- 4:09to shift a guy from linebacker too, from running back to linebacker, and
- 4:12they also had a guy shift from linebacker to running back and hip train him.
- 4:15So they've had they've had some misses in recruiting, but nowhere has that
- 4:18been more true than it's safety. You had a really interesting post on the
- 4:21huddle board at bucke huddle dot com about Ohio State's safety recruiting, and I'm
- 4:27just gonna ask everyone at home just think in your head, who was the
- 4:30last safety drafted from Ohio State. He's gonna give you a couple of seconds
- 4:33to think about that, Tony, let people know who it was. And
- 4:39boy, that feels like it was. That's been a minute since since that
- 4:42player was a buck Eye. It has been a minute. That was Jordan
- 4:45Fuller, who I believe was the twenty twenty draft was the was drafted in
- 4:48the sixth round with the one and ninety ninth pick overall, which is also
- 4:54when Tom Brady was drafted, so they share that in common. But yeah,
- 5:00the last safety drafted before Jordan Fuller was Molli Cooker in the twenty seventeen
- 5:06draft. So seven drafts, one safety selected. And that is probably worth
- 5:14a study in terms of like what positions have done worse at Ohio State than
- 5:18safety because you don't have to go too far back. You can go back
- 5:21to the the twenty twenty season when they're starting Marcus Hooker, Marcus Williamson,
- 5:29Johnson Went is part of that, like some names that should have been recruited
- 5:34over by that point, but they had to rely on Lathan Ransom as a
- 5:39true brashman was playing Bryce and Shaw the year after that and year after that,
- 5:44where it's you've got guys that it's surprising that they were starting at that
- 5:50point for Ohio State and kind of saw the results the past few years in
- 5:55that secondary until they've finally got things short up and certainly have things set up
- 6:00pretty well this year as well, and that you know, I believe Lathan
- 6:03Ransom gets drafted next year, so that will finally you start to blow some
- 6:10of that down. And of course Caleb Downs will get drafted probably the year
- 6:13after that. But really just a poor recruiting, poor development, and some
- 6:19would say, you know, you look at the coaches at that point at
- 6:21that position and you can see why. Now I'm a Michigan and you know
- 6:28there's the old saying that you know joy or you know, results are the
- 6:33sorry, the results minus expectations is like how you're feeling and Michigan's draft,
- 6:41they hit thirteen players drafted, one of the biggest draft classes in history,
- 6:45and it still felt kind of disappointing based on some of the expectations that got
- 6:48thrown out there, where Jim Harbaugh is talking about twenty guys, you know,
- 6:53the things they could have twenty guys drafted this year, and they had
- 6:56eighteen guys invited to the combine and then hit thirteen guys draft and that's a
- 7:00big class. But for those guys were drafted in the seventh rounds, so
- 7:03you have nine now it's nine guys in the top six rounds, and it
- 7:06just it felt like a little bit of a you know, kind of a
- 7:11flat ending with all the guys they had going out there. And you know,
- 7:15we've seen undrafted guys make teams before, and I'm sure some of them
- 7:16will make teams, and so you know, this is not this is by
- 7:20no means trying to disparage Michigan or this draft class or anything like that.
- 7:24It just it felt like for a team that had those kind of expectations thrown
- 7:30out there by their own coach, this was not just some random guy,
- 7:32this was this is their head coach. Saying this is what he was expecting
- 7:36to be possibly true. It just felt like, boy, I didn't hear
- 7:42Michigan players getting called nearly as much as I expected to, especially earlier in
- 7:46the draft. Yeah, the twenty numbers thrown out by Jim Harbaut was almost
- 7:54backed up by the eighteen players invited to the combine. But you never saw
- 7:58that in terms of like, who are these eighteen, who are these twenty
- 8:01players that are going to be drafted? Who are these guys that are going
- 8:05to have five more draft picks than the record of fifteen by Georgia set in
- 8:09twenty twenty two. So I never really saw that, and always assume that
- 8:16a lot of these draft picks were going to be in later rounds. Now,
- 8:18they did have what seven guys taken in the first two days, the
- 8:22first three rounds, which is probably as good as they've done in a very
- 8:28long time just scanning through here, perhaps their best ever in fact, So
- 8:33you know, credit there, But you know a lot of these a lot
- 8:37of the back half of the draft is where they they kind of I don't
- 8:43want to say patted the stats, but you see some of those these veterans
- 8:48that have been around a professional style of program. And that's where it gets
- 8:52into that, like, maybe this is just an easier transition from Michigan to
- 8:56the NFL for some of these guys. Cornelius Johnson been around for a long
- 8:58time. La Darius Henderson been along around for a long time. Michael Barrett
- 9:03another guy who has been around for a long time at Michigan as seventh rounders,
- 9:07and you figured, maybe maybe they just make an easier transition. But
- 9:11yeah, far short of the the eighteen invited to the combine, far short
- 9:16of the twenty number that was thrown out by Jim Harbaugh, but still more
- 9:20than any other school in the nation this past year. So we'll see how
- 9:24they kind of fix and replace those guys they lost. And that's going to
- 9:31be the challenge this year for them because Ohio State has they lost the four
- 9:35guys who were drafted and they got back virtually Oliver upperclassmen Marvin Harrison and Michael
- 9:41Hall were the only two underclassmen to declare for Ohio State and for Michigan,
- 9:46you know, you kind of had the leak, you know, going out
- 9:48on a high note thing. Even after the national championship, virtually everyone who
- 9:52could leave left, and then you also had Rod Moore, who I believe
- 9:56could have left and chose to come back and then suffered a pretty signific get
- 10:00injury, so they're gonna be without him potentially this year as well. It
- 10:03feels like there's a lot of holes to fill on that Michigan roster. And
- 10:07when you look at the recruiting the last couple of years and you look at
- 10:11the you know, not real active in the transfer portal this season, it
- 10:16feels like, yeah, they have done a very good job developing the players
- 10:20that they've had, and that's why you've got thirteen guys getting drafted. But
- 10:24it feels like, boy, there are a lot of questions still on that
- 10:28roster, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Defense feels like they're
- 10:31in pretty decent shape. The Rod more injury is a big one, but
- 10:35it feels like there's a lot of questions on that offensive side of the ball,
- 10:37and I don't know how many answers they really feel like they have coming
- 10:41out of spring. Yeah, and a lot of that development was done by
- 10:45coaches that are no longer at Michigan. So you you Michigan fans and Michigan
- 10:50people can think that well, we'll just continue to develop and there will be
- 10:54that some of that to some extent, But can you expect to continue to
- 10:58develop at the same rate that you have been when the coaching staff is much
- 11:03different than it was and the strength staff is looking different as well. But
- 11:07also some of these guys, you've got some transfers that came in and and
- 11:13we're helpful and we're kind of more finished product, you know, a J.
- 11:18Barner, Ladarius Henderson who helped out as well. Like some of these
- 11:20guys that come in from outside, they don't necessarily need to be developed as
- 11:24much. That helps supplement that, that helps correct the mistakes. And both
- 11:28the Ohio State and Michigan have done that and done it pretty well in terms
- 11:31of going to the portal and finding guys. But I don't know, you
- 11:37know, replacing the entire offensive line with six or your top seven, seven
- 11:41of your top eight something like that. I think, as we mentioned before,
- 11:43it's a good sign that they were able to field two offensive lines in
- 11:46the spring game. That's promising. We'll see what goes from there. But
- 11:50as we know, like the spring game is never going to be your best
- 11:54offensive line because it's kind of a mix and a match thing. They've got
- 11:58some young talented receiver. Question is quarterback, of course, and what do
- 12:01they have behind down of An Edwards? And really what is done of An
- 12:03Edwards when he's If you can't just expect to fifty yard run, you two
- 12:09fifty yard runs and that'll be enough for him. He's got to become more
- 12:13consistent. And can you become more consistent with the questionable offensive line. But
- 12:18I do think he'll be helped by having a quarterback like Alex Orgy who can
- 12:22run and can keep defenses from focusing on the running back. Defensively, I
- 12:26know they feel very confident about their defensive line. They still return some defensive
- 12:31ends who have played a ton for them, and of course you've got the
- 12:35two defensive tackles that everybody loves, and Kenneth Grant and Mason Graham linebackers.
- 12:39They got a good transfer in from Maryland and the transfer that they got the
- 12:45year before from Nebraska should be two of the best in the Big Ten.
- 12:48The secondary is a question mark. They lose a guy to the portal who
- 12:52is battling for a starting cornerback spot, but they might be getting somebody back
- 12:56from the portal battling for a starting cornerback spot. Good luck re placing Rod
- 13:01Moore, that one hurts. And you know, Kean Sab has already gone.
- 13:03So there are some question marks and the lackluster ish kind of recruiting is
- 13:09going to have to fill those spots because it doesn't I don't know how much
- 13:13more is going to be happening in the portal. Honestly, well, we
- 13:16are getting close to the end of the spring transfer portal season. That portal
- 13:20closes on Tuesday night, a couple more days for players to potentially enter.
- 13:24Not as many guys in there, I think, broadly speaking across the nation
- 13:28as you might have expected this time of year. So that does not mean
- 13:33you have to be signed with your new school by Tuesday. Just means if
- 13:35you want to enter, you've got to enter by Tuesday. So we'll have
- 13:37a more complete look at where things stand in the portal coming up in just
- 13:41a couple of days. But before you know, before then, we've got
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- 14:37there. That'll do it for today. Thank you guys all for joining us.
- 14:41Have a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow,