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The Long Game · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with her radio. Hey, guys, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Ben is out this week, So that means I have
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  Speaker 1: a co host. Let me give you some hints. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: she's blonde, she has blue eyes, she has made two
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  Speaker 1: appearances on the Bachelor franchise, and she has a twin. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you have you have five seconds to guess who it is.
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  Speaker 1: Until they introduced themselves one, two, three, four five, who
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  Speaker 1: are you? Mystery co host? Well, I was thinking that
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  Speaker 1: everyone's going to think it was the other twins, but Kendall,
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  Speaker 1: my goodness, look at how shady I was there. That
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  Speaker 1: was that wasn't even on purpose, and yet it could apply.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it couldn't really apply to them because I
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  Speaker 1: think they've done three seasons. I think the twins came
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  Speaker 1: together are on two seasons of Paradise and one of
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  Speaker 1: which they were kind of annoyed because they went in
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  Speaker 1: on the last week. That would be it's always difficult
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  Speaker 1: to go in the last week. I feel, oh, yes,
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  Speaker 1: for sure. For well, we're going to talk to you
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  Speaker 1: about paradise in a second. But you know, I have
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  Speaker 1: to build to that. So Kendall. What have you been
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  Speaker 1: up to since the last time we talked to you?
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  Speaker 1: You had a book come out. It was Man, has
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  Speaker 1: that book almost been out for a year oday? Just Curious?
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  Speaker 1: A Notebook of Questions? Yes, that's actually really insane. Don't
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  Speaker 1: even think about it. It's my author anniversary coming up,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it's coming up in launch in November.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, I was totally off. Okay, so you've been
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  Speaker 1: up talking about like I was in production, I think
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  Speaker 1: of actually making it happen. So so there you go.
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  Speaker 1: You've been an official author for six months. You came
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  Speaker 1: out with a book called Just Curious, A Notebook of Questions,
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  Speaker 1: which is so fun. I love a bunch of random,
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  Speaker 1: thought provoking questions to ask at a dinner with people
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  Speaker 1: that you like have dinner with all the time, like
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  Speaker 1: with your family or like your best friends. You're like, man, like,
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  Speaker 1: what should we talk about? That is different? And like
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  Speaker 1: this book can do it so well. So you want
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  Speaker 1: to ask a question or two to start this podcast off? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that sounds fun. Let me think. Honestly, I didn't prepare
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  Speaker 1: questions before, but let me think of an interesting one
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  Speaker 1: that I haven't talked about yet. Because like we do
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  Speaker 1: host chat and this would be like a great host chat. O.
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  Speaker 1: Let me think of one. Um, like I wish I
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  Speaker 1: had like a whole list of them on me right now,
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  Speaker 1: so I can just like or had a book on
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  Speaker 1: me right now, I can just open to a random page. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But let's see one that I like asking because I
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  Speaker 1: think it causes people to get a little bit uncomfortable
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  Speaker 1: depending on your vulnerability. But I love asking when was
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  Speaker 1: the last time you cried? Oh? Well, look at that.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very appropriate question for me. Yes, um, okay, Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's good that I can't really think about it. That
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  Speaker 1: can't like doesn't come to the top of my head
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  Speaker 1: happy to Okay. Well, I mean last night I got
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  Speaker 1: choked up, like I felt like I was on the
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  Speaker 1: verge of tears because Maria Manuns his mom died. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just like I've always been a fan of Maria.
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  Speaker 1: She's such an idol to me. And um, I've just
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  Speaker 1: been following her mom's journey and her mom has had
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  Speaker 1: brain cancer for a while. I think she got she
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  Speaker 1: went into remission and then she ended up getting advanced
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  Speaker 1: up in advanced brain tumor. I think reading rediagnosed about
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  Speaker 1: six months ago, and she passed away yesterday. And I
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  Speaker 1: had like all that heavy heart and like the closed
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  Speaker 1: throat and like the wild up eyes. Didn't actually cry,
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  Speaker 1: but that's kind of like the last time I felt
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  Speaker 1: emotion like that, which was you know, twelve twelve hours ago.
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  Speaker 1: So that makes very much sense for me. What about you,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's heartbreaking? But for me it was I had
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  Speaker 1: like a little at any fight with my brother about
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  Speaker 1: something random, and I cried. Then. I feel like I
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  Speaker 1: cry easier and easier the older that I get. Really
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  Speaker 1: it's the opposite for me, which is well, really good.
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  Speaker 1: But that probably just means that I cry an appropriate
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  Speaker 1: amount of this age, as long as we really getting
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  Speaker 1: it out there. I heard that when you cry, there's
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  Speaker 1: a chemical that's released that's like a pain killer. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he feels good to cry. Oh that's awesome. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like that makes that makes total sense. That's why people
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  Speaker 1: say I needed a good cry, right, yeah, because then
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  Speaker 1: you're like filled up with all these endorphins. You're like, yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's like a little cry high. Right. So Kendall, you
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  Speaker 1: are still living in l Ah, that is where you're from.
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  Speaker 1: You have a wonderful, Pucci. And are you still doing
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  Speaker 1: set design? No? I don't. Yeah, I don't do create
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  Speaker 1: a directing your set design anymore. Um yeah, either maybe
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  Speaker 1: for like friends, birthday parties or like baby gender reveals
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  Speaker 1: or something. But I've been gone in depth and set
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  Speaker 1: designed for a while. Okay, okay, So tell us an
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  Speaker 1: average day in the Kendall life. Um, well, right now
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  Speaker 1: I'm in Austin, um exploring here. I have a friend
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  Speaker 1: that might potentially move here. So you have a friend
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  Speaker 1: that may potentially move there. You may plan actually move there,
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  Speaker 1: not me my friend. Yeah, so I'm here for emotional
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  Speaker 1: support with that. But COVID is still very much the thing.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm kind of slowly branching out of doing more
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  Speaker 1: comfortable in traveling and doing stuff like that. But daily life,
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  Speaker 1: I hang out with Pistachio. He makes me up at
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  Speaker 1: like seven seven thirty am every morning. He's an early riser.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, that's too early. Oh it's way too early.
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  Speaker 1: But he's just like breakfast is at this time I
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  Speaker 1: best happen and sorry to do that. Um, do some
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  Speaker 1: work emails on my computer from home, or if I
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  Speaker 1: can go to a cafe or a park I love
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  Speaker 1: working at the park. Um, and then you know it's
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  Speaker 1: in l A. I mean it's pretty, it's pretty chill.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing too crazy happening right now. So have you been
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  Speaker 1: on dates since you broke up with Joe over a
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  Speaker 1: year ago? Now? Have has there been anyone of note there?
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  Speaker 1: I have been on dates? Yeah, I'll say that. Um,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to I mean dating in l A in
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  Speaker 1: general is difficult, but um, I've definitely cut myself out
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  Speaker 1: there and I've been very open to it and I've
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  Speaker 1: had some I've had some good dates. Yeah, there's some good,
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  Speaker 1: good vibes about that. Um, good good. We'll see, we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: So is there somebody that you've gone on multiple dates
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  Speaker 1: with that like it's still going to possibly be more
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  Speaker 1: dates with Yeah? I would say that fun like a
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  Speaker 1: couple of days with somebody and you know, I'm down
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  Speaker 1: to go on more dates. Um. Yeah, Okay, that's great.
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  Speaker 1: That's great news. Is there anything from your relationship with
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  Speaker 1: Joe that you learn from that now you look for
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  Speaker 1: in men that you wouldn't have prior. Yeah, I learned
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  Speaker 1: so much from that relationship. I feel like that was
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  Speaker 1: the relationship I just threw so much trust in and
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  Speaker 1: um right off the bat, which is completely honest and open,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that really expedited the relationship in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of ways. Um, And it was the first relationship
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  Speaker 1: I actually saw potentially turning into a marriage. So that
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  Speaker 1: was something very new for me. So I think I
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  Speaker 1: am able to recognize it a little bit more moving forward. UM.
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  Speaker 1: So so yeah, I mean it is a gift to
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  Speaker 1: be able to experience that from him. And so I
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  Speaker 1: think every single person that I date and like looking
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  Speaker 1: for that next level of connection got you. So Paradise
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  Speaker 1: is coming up. So I would be not a very
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  Speaker 1: good bachelor, UM podcast host if I didn't ask you
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  Speaker 1: if you'd be open to going to Paradise. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's so many people who have been
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  Speaker 1: on the show who never had a pick. There was
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  Speaker 1: a Paradise last year. There's a lot of a lot
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  Speaker 1: of there's a minimal amount of spots and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of competition for them. Oh oh yeah, they will be
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  Speaker 1: blood there. Blood people have seen enough of me, I think,
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think that's something that I want to have.
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  Speaker 1: I want someone else to be able to experience, like
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  Speaker 1: falling in love in that way because it is so
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  Speaker 1: amazing and you can't really experience it anywhere else. So
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  Speaker 1: I feel like there's just so many amazing women who
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  Speaker 1: you know are deserving of that. That is so kind
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  Speaker 1: and generous of you. Seriously, how selfless of you. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's like my choice and like, oh I was
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  Speaker 1: still my gift of my paris. It's not even oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, well, I don't know. I could totally see
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  Speaker 1: them wanting to do something with you and Joe the
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  Speaker 1: way that they did with me and Jared, And it's
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  Speaker 1: just like a storyline that I think the audience is
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  Speaker 1: still rooting for and they would love to say more of. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like how could you imagine yourself there? If Joe was
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  Speaker 1: there as well, I would not want watch him fall
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  Speaker 1: in love with someone else, definitely not. I mean that
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  Speaker 1: would just that would suck so so much. Um, But
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to be happy, like I want him to
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  Speaker 1: find love, um not in front of my freeze. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I'm just so thankful that
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  Speaker 1: you said that would suck and you wouldn't and you
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  Speaker 1: didn't just say that, You're you wanted him to be happy,
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  Speaker 1: because like you need to be honest in this and
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  Speaker 1: it would suck and that would be horrible. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think that Do you think that at all, like an
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  Speaker 1: experience like that could get you guys together or do
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  Speaker 1: you think that that door is completely shut? I think
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  Speaker 1: that there'd be a few things that would have to
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  Speaker 1: happen in order for me to see or both of
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  Speaker 1: us probably to see a future. Um. I think that
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  Speaker 1: our end the goal is very different and so um
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  Speaker 1: unless he shifts that. I mean, I don't know, a
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  Speaker 1: joke so great. I think there's been so much time
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  Speaker 1: since our relationship that it would be really interesting to
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  Speaker 1: see like what that would look like, if that's even possible. Um,
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  Speaker 1: But I still have a tremendous amount of love for him,
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  Speaker 1: you know, He's Yeah, if you found that out that
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  Speaker 1: he was going, and they also asked you, would that
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  Speaker 1: deter you from going? It might, yeah, just because I
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  Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, it would be really difficult. And he
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  Speaker 1: had mentioned before, I think in another podcast, that there
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  Speaker 1: were girls that he was interested in that were in
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  Speaker 1: past seasons. So I'm like, well, he's if he's going
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  Speaker 1: on there with like someone in mind, I don't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: know if I have anyone in mind. You know that
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  Speaker 1: I would go on there for so um yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: would I'd just be like signing up for another heartbreak,
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  Speaker 1: which would it doesn't sound logical, but you know that's
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  Speaker 1: not logical. So true in hindsight, like our audience, I
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if they remember, but like to me,
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  Speaker 1: at least, it sounded like you guys really did break
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  Speaker 1: up because of location, Like he needed to be in
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  Speaker 1: Chicago and you just said, no, I'm staying in l
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  Speaker 1: A with my family, and I completely get it. Like
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  Speaker 1: Sharon just it's kind of like it's I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if it's a joke sometimes, but he was like if
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  Speaker 1: you if I knew that long term, we may not
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  Speaker 1: have ended up back in Rhode Island. It would have
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  Speaker 1: been like a harder commitment for me because he loves
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  Speaker 1: his state and he just thrives by his friends and family.
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  Speaker 1: He's a he's a totally different person here. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think I still think we would be together. I
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  Speaker 1: know we is still be together if I wasn't cool
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  Speaker 1: with it, but I know the relationship would be more
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  Speaker 1: difficult if I was not down to be in Rhode Island.
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  Speaker 1: So in hindsight, now that you had like a year
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  Speaker 1: and a half removed. What do you think the crux
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  Speaker 1: of your issues were? Um? I think it definitely was. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I mean where you are is your life. You know
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  Speaker 1: how you spend every single day. I love more. I
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  Speaker 1: would love more than just one person. You know, you
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  Speaker 1: have your partner and that's amazing, but that's not your
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  Speaker 1: entire life. Like my friends and family who I'm extremely
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  Speaker 1: close to, have a twin sister. She's like literally part
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  Speaker 1: of my body. No. I love that because I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I told you this last time you're on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast, but you once told me that you thought
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  Speaker 1: that you're I don't love you told me, you told
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  Speaker 1: the whole public that you thought that your sister was
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  Speaker 1: your soul mate. And then after hearing that, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I think my sister is my soul mate too, like
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  Speaker 1: even more so than I would call Jared, Like I
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  Speaker 1: think Jared is my perfect destined person for sure romantically
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  Speaker 1: and as a life partner. But my sister, when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to the word soul made like soul connection, like
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  Speaker 1: she can read, like we just communicate in a way
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  Speaker 1: that I don't think it would be possible for anybody
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  Speaker 1: else exactly exactly. And I mean I lived the longest
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  Speaker 1: I've ever lived away from my sister was six months,
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  Speaker 1: and I lived at San Francisco. She lived in l A.
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  Speaker 1: And that wasn't even that big a good traveling distance,
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  Speaker 1: so imagine like Los Angeles Chicago. I guess just you know,
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  Speaker 1: a world away, not really, but um but yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: and I also I want to have a family. I
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  Speaker 1: want to you know, have children, and I envisioned my
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  Speaker 1: family being a huge support in that. Um So, I
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  Speaker 1: guess that was just I never envisioned leading l A.
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  Speaker 1: And I never thought, you know, Joe would want to
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  Speaker 1: leave l A. It was just something that we couldn't
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  Speaker 1: compromise on. His family and friends are amazing, so he's
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  Speaker 1: like very much in the same boat as I am
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  Speaker 1: with that. So yeah, we just couldn't figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's almost the hardest way to break up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because it's not about and if there's nothing
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  Speaker 1: like fundamentally wrong with our relationship. Um So, it's weird
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  Speaker 1: to think you can definitely fall in love with more
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  Speaker 1: than one person, and you know, many different ways made
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  Speaker 1: different places. So yeah, it's kind of like people who
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  Speaker 1: want to have kids or don't want to have kids.
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  Speaker 1: Because we were talking about this on Jared's podcast the
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  Speaker 1: other day. Help I stuck a dating little side little
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  Speaker 1: side plug, Um, But there are like couples where like
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  Speaker 1: they'll be perfect in every single way, completely compatible, but
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  Speaker 1: it's like one wants kids and one does not want kids,
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  Speaker 1: and they're both so firm and their decisions on that
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  Speaker 1: that it just cannot happen. They can't be together. It's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like you, guys, with location exactly exactly, and
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  Speaker 1: we there's a couple of deer deal breakers, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and not all of them mean that the other person
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  Speaker 1: is a bad person, right or not the person for you.
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  Speaker 1: It's just all right. Let's move on to bachelor headlines, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Um Kendall's gonna stick around for this and our upcoming
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  Speaker 1: interview with our beloved Devon Franklin. Devon Franklin was on
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  Speaker 1: to talk about Chris Harrison in February, I believe, and
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  Speaker 1: he was such a wonderful guest and he's here to
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  Speaker 1: talk about his new book. We're gonna talk about relationship
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  Speaker 1: with relationships with him and some hot topics and Bachelor Nation,
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  Speaker 1: like the fact that Matt James and Rachel Kirknell or
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  Speaker 1: kirk Connell. I'm gonna keep calling it a kirk Cornell.
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  Speaker 1: They are back together. But first we have a word
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  Speaker 1: from our sponsors. Al Right, guys, welcome back to Bachelor Headlines. Kendall,
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  Speaker 1: have you been key being up with the hot topics
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  Speaker 1: in bastination? Have you been watching the seasons? I have
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  Speaker 1: been watching the season in terms of, like all the
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  Speaker 1: breaking news and who's dating, he's not dating? I do
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  Speaker 1: hear like a little bit, but I'm not so I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure you'll be able to fall along. So I will
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  Speaker 1: be reading the headlines and the bullet points, and if
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  Speaker 1: you've got something an opinion that you're just burning to
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  Speaker 1: talk about, please do all right, our first headline is
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  Speaker 1: Matt James says he's pursuing a relationship with X Rachel Kirkconnell.
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  Speaker 1: He says, I'm focusing on it, so, he says, I've
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  Speaker 1: seen Rachel a handful of times. He confirmed this to
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  Speaker 1: People magazine while discussing a partnership with Dick Sport and
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  Speaker 1: Good's Lucky him. He says he's not pursuing any relationships
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  Speaker 1: right now outside of that. I said I was going
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  Speaker 1: to focus on my relationship with her, and that means
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  Speaker 1: focusing on it. He also said, um. When asked about
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  Speaker 1: whether she's doing the work that she promised to put
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  Speaker 1: in and regarding to educating herself about racism, he says
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  Speaker 1: that's something you could talk to her about. He says,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of what I'm focused on right now is
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  Speaker 1: the work that I'm doing in the community and with
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  Speaker 1: the marathon that he's training for. Um. He also said
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  Speaker 1: that there will be no chance that he or Tyler
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  Speaker 1: Cameron We'll be on Bachelor in Paradise. That would be
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  Speaker 1: a bloodshed. Oh my god. I mean, like, I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure I knew Matt wasn't gonna be doing Paradise and
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  Speaker 1: Tyler I would also think would not be doing it either.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm sure that disappoints many ladies there. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's get to like the crux of this. He is
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  Speaker 1: seeing Rachel, So he's dating Rachel. This is, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: I think this is great. I I think that there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of love there and I'm just wondering, like,
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  Speaker 1: this is what I talked about on How I Second
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  Speaker 1: Dating a couple of days ago. This is the same
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  Speaker 1: headline we went through. I just have to be a
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  Speaker 1: little bit honest. It kind of feels I have to
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  Speaker 1: be careful with my words here, But it kind of
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  Speaker 1: feels like he threw her under the bus a little
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  Speaker 1: bit during after the final rows, like he kind of
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  Speaker 1: honestly seemed so over her, Like he couldn't even look
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  Speaker 1: her in the eyes, he couldn't even hug her. And
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  Speaker 1: yet here we are six weeks later and he's dating
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  Speaker 1: her again. So was that just for that, just for looks?
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Was that just for show that he just seemed like
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: repulsed by her? Um, like he would never give her
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: another chance. I remember getting on here with Emmanuel Acho's
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: brother the day after, and he was like, oh, there's
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: not a chance of those two get back together. But
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: now we saw them together on a date in New
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: York City four weeks after that finale episode. So, I mean,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: what do you feel about the authenticity of of Matt
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: showing his emotions to the public. It's difficult because I
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: feel like they have so many conversations that we are
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: not aware of it. We don't have a little sneak
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: peek into So I'm sure they've excessively talked about it.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Um and it's difficult when there are a lot of
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: opinions coming in from different people that don't know what
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: you're talking about, that don't know the work that's being
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: put in. Necessarily, um, and I also have to think,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: like the heart wants what it wants, right, So I
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: feel like if that he genuinely has cared for her
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: and she genuinely has cared for him, then it's it's
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: very difficult not to explore that and not to give
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: it a chance. I almost feel like with love sometimes
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: it's it's not voluntary. You know, you so badly don't
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: want to do something, or feel like it's not good
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: for you or it's not right, but you know, we
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: make that call or we text, or we go on
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: another date. And I'm not saying this is a situation
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: with them because I haven't heard their conversations or anything.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Um And I do genuinely think that she has an
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: open heart just from everything that I've seen, But um,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: if there's genuine love there, then I don't know. I'm
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: always a champion of that of people giving it a chance.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Me too. It's between them, you know, yeah, and exploring
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: it to the utmost honestly, Like I don't have any
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: curiosity there. I'm always that person. It's if you feel
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: like there's curiosity left with the relationship by the plane ticket,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: go on that date, you know, exhausted because you don't
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: want to live life and regret thank you. That's what
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I always say. Seriously burn it out because at the
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: end of the day, you may want to be like,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: oh no, no, I want to I want to play
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: it cool, like I just wanted him to think of
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: me like I was just like chill, cool girl. No,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: that's not gonna get you anywhere emotionally and mentally in
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: the long run, and then you're always going to be
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: thinking of that person and that is going to be
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: very bad for your future relationships. Oh yeah, I don't
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: want to look back and to be like I regretted
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: not getting something a chance. Yes, So looks like Rachel
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: and Matt are doing that. Now. Let's now Matt. This
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: is a perfect transition over to from Matt season to
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Katie season. Matt says that Katie Thurston will be the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: best to ever do it. He says, this, she's incredible,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: She's going to do so well. I'm excited for her
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: to have this space to find her person. He says,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I think she's going to be one of the best
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: to ever do it, and it's not going to be
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: a surprise to me as we watch everyone across the
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: country fall in love with her, well as our very
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: sweet words from Matt James. Uh. Interesting to lead that
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: headline into the next headline because we can do so
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: much speculation here. Katie's season wrapped ahead of schedule and
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: quote she was in control. A source and exclusive source
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: tells US Weekly that Katie was in control and made
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: sure the men she wanted were there and the men
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: she wasn't interested in she sent them packing. Okay, okay,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: what's different from that for many other bachelorette Apparently it
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: went great and they wrapped a week ahead of schedule.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: They also said that Taitia and Caitlin Um were able
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: to help Katie along with this journey and um, it
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: was just fun and they were a great team. Caitlyn
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: and Taitia. Okay, um wrapping a week early? Do you
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: think that that is a good thing or a bad thing?
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I think it probably means that there was enough drama
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: to sustain an entire season, So there was just like
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: a lot that happened. I mean, I mind boggled. I
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: think that it may not have been even a whole
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: five weeks that they were filming. And I guess, like
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: when you cut out travel, that like naturally cuts out weeks.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: That's so weird. So it's only it wasn't even five
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: weeks because I'm thinking when she was three months, it's
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: like three months of filming. Yeah, so normally I think
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: it's just a lot. Normally it could be nine weeks,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I believe, and then with her it was it was
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: it was definitely less than six weeks. I want to
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: say it was just about five. That's fast. It's a
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: fast turnaround. It's not much different than Claire Antatious season. Um.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: But I'm just wondering, like, could it mean that multiple
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: people left, that they didn't have any many there's chopping walks,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: like did she elliminate? Yes? Did she eliminate eliminate a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: lot of guys? Do the guys leave? Judging by how
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: it was discussed, it seems like she got rid of people. Yeah,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: a lot. Um, So it's like she was in control.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: It makes me think that she was like bang bang bang,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: you're out. I know who I want. I would Actually,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: when I first saw that, I was curious to think,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: what if she got rid of a bunch of guys
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: in the beginning, and so there's just more time for
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: a smaller amount of men, which I think would be
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: really interesting. I mean, hey, that's a choice we've never
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: had that I would love so so much, And you
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: get to know the guys so much more, Like I
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: feel like with Matt James this season, there were so
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: many girls coming in that I felt like I didn't
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: get to know all of them at a more personal
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: level until a lot later. So I would like to
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: see maybe some men shine more like the ones that
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: she actually has genuine connections with, Like maybe even like
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: there's like five for a couple of weeks, Like, I
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: don't know. I just think that'd be really fun. I
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: think that would be so good. People will get so
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: attached to those characters, and it's those kind of bonds
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: that the audience develops that makes us live for Monday Nights.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And I felt like I got that litatious season. Yeah,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: like multiple one on one days, you know, Yes, I
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: think that would be so rewarding. Um, And I think
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: it's just show so much more of their personality and again, like,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: like you said, like there's just so much more investment
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: in those relationships. Yes, yes, yes, the heartbreaks would be
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: that much more devastating, which is horrible for the men
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: but very good TV for us. At least one good
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: heartbreak in your life, you know, I agree. Yeah, I
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: love heartbreak. It's like hurt me, dang it. Yes, but no,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: like can wait, Yes, but no, there is beauty in
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: the heartbreak and you don't really notice it or appreciate
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: it until you, I think, are happy with somebody else,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: and then you can look back on heartbreak fondly, which
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: is bizarre, but that's the way it was for me. No,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. But then also I feel like
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you're allowing yourself to feel so strongly for somebody, and
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: that's cool to know that your kids getting there, you know,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Like my recent heart like recent heartbreaks that I've had,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, it's just so cool that I
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: was able to love someone that intensely. And I mean,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: hopefully there's someone in the future. But but yeah, you
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: know you're right, like initially, right off, right after a heartbreak,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: it's like this is the worst everyone. I hate it
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: all right, Let's get back to some Katie headlines. There.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Katie posted to Instagram for the first time she was
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: She was talking about how she got her vaccine. She
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: also joked this week about her family searching for a
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: ring after the Utchlorette's season wrapped. I guess her family
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: because she says, my family, this is my family searching
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: for a ring. Um, she was, Yeah, I guess the
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: family is just joking about, like, you know, like does
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: she have it on her or anything like that because
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: she doesn't get to go home with the ring. Wasn't
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: it Tasia that lost her ring in the sand or something?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: What I don't remember. This wasn't there, Oh, never mind?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Was that somebody else It was like a different reality
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: show or something or someone like lost their engagement ring
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: in the sand and they were like ever gone hands
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: and me searching for it? Never mind. No, I think
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: her family is just like, oh, you engaged? Are you engaged?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: And then they were trying to find the ring. Can't
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: find the ring because guess what's not it's not in
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: her hands? Yeah, okay, I see, I see, like as
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: if like, oh, it's in her luggage or something. But yeah,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: and the first engagement off of the show in a
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: couple of seasons if she does end up getting engaged,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: right or maybe there is because well Tasia got engaged
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: and so to Clare. So oh, never mind, I'm up
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: to date with this stuff. It's okay, it's okay. It
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: seems like a long time ago. So Caitlin Bristow got
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: on her podcast this week and she said that being
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: part of Katie There since season actually brought up some trauma.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: So she got on her podcast and she said a
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: lot of people are asking how I'm feeling. They know
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I took a social media break for a couple of days.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I was very overwhelmed. I think it was such a
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: perfect storm in a breeding ground for an anxiety or
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: anxiety because I was truly back in the world of
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm happy to be part of this bachelor show,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: but I didn't realize how much, and it brought up
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: some either trauma or anxiety that I may not have
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: dealt with as much as I thought I had. She
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: doesn't share specifics, but she did she did say, my
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: hormones are out of control. I'm in New Mexico, where
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I swear the altitude, in the dryness and the hotel
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: food was just getting to me. I mean, yeah, I
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: can imagine that whenever you step foot, like I've been
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: to the Bachelor Manage in a couple of times, really
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: only have fond memories there, but like going back to paradise,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: just like being at the same location where so many
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: feelings unfolded and being with a lot of the same
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: producers who you confided in during those moments bring up
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: so much in nostalgia and if you can just place
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: yourself right back to where you were, it's kind of wild.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine how that would have been for her,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: A little time capsule of emotions I can imagine, like
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: with every because I feel like there's those certain stages
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: of getting to know somebody and then having to battle
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: between maybe loving more than one person and then getting engaged.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Like I can see that bringing up a lot for her,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: And then you kind of start thinking about people of
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: your past too. You start thinking about like the guys
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: you dumped, and like, what how would have life would
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: have gone that way if I ended up with that person?
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: And and for Caitlin, it was probably kind of weird
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: because like when she thinks of that experience, she probably
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: thinks of Sean. You know, she met she met Jason
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: through the Bachelor, you know, family, but that experience is
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: all about Sean, so she probably ended up thinking about
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: that relationship a lot, and and that can always make
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: you feel all sorts of weird. M h. It's like
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: you have to kind of go through the break up
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: again or go through the happy times and then the
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: devastating times as well. Yeah, but Caitlin also said on
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Good Morning America this week that it's going to be
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: really fun. Tasia and her had a really really fun
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: time being there. They love Katie. She said, I'm definitely
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: not going to say much because I don't want to
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: get in trouble, but I can say it might be Oh,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: she says, maybe I can say it's it's the most
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: dramatic season yet. Come on, now, come on now, I
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: don't know. We've gone through so many dramatic seasons. I
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: actually can't even think of a spin. This is drama
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: in general. I can always picture maybe the spin of
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: having guys that could be dramatic. That's a great spin,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: but it actually feels less dramatic. It feels like they
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: would just be more love and less fights amongst I
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe that would lead to more fights because
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: then the guys would have such a deeper connection with her.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Who the heck knows. Yeah, well, there's gonna be drama regardless.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: That's Did you see Caitlin reunite with her dogs though
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: after coming back from the Bachelorette? Oh my gosh, I
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: can disimagine because she's so so close to them that
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: it was I haven't I haven't seen the video. I
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: know that they're super close, but she we should not
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: allowed to have them on this show because I know
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: that a lot of people bring their dogs. Yeah, so
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: she had her dogs there for a while with Jason.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I think that they were there half the time, and
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: then she she had she had been alone half the time.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: And I think that they're kind of like her emotional
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: support animals, So I'm assuming that would have been hard
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: with them gone as well. Uh kind of What the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: heck did you think last week when Chris Harrison and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Lauren's Ema posted that picture of her in the white
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: dress in black and white, Oh you didn't see it.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I saw that he posted a picture of her like
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: an appreciation post, and he was like more lovey Debbie
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: than I've seen him. Oh, I it was very sweet.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I was calling everyone saying, Chris and Lauren got married.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I was so convinced this, but
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I was not alone. There were a lot of people
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: speculating that they had gotten married in Texas. It was
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: a black and white picture. Okay, he's in a suit.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: She is wearing an elegant floor length gown. It looks white.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: It probably wasn't white because you find out that she
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: was actually a bridesmaid. The caption read, I'd stop the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: world and met with you at Laurence. Okay, yeah, yeah,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I saw that. I was thinking. I did think initially, oh,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: what's your proposal or something. It was like a highlight
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: of like, this is serious. Looking at it. I thought
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: they eloped, and I thought it was very romantic, but
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: that but they did not do that. She said wow,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Like wait she Laurence said, I love you so much
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: and appreciate all the congrats, but this bridesmaid's dress is
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: really living above its potential. So they were actually just
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: dates at one of her friend's weddings. Um, but maybe
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: one day they will have a wedding of their Okay,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I love the relationship. Yeah, me too. They're very sweet together. Okay, So,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: speaking of weddings, potential weddings, Claire Crawley, guys, is wearing
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: her engagement ring from Dale Moss again. She posted something
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: and story and she's sipping out of a juice box
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: and she's got her ring on her. Is that her
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: left finger? I think, like in reverse? Is that her
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: left finger? I'm trying to look at the picture right now, yeah,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: because it does flip. Okay, so guys, I think it's
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: on the left finger. I did. I saw that and
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's a really pretty like screen group.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: It is yea good for them. That is so so happy.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about this one a little bit later with Devon.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: But Rachel Lindsay announces that she's leaving the Happy Hour podcast,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: so we'll talk to you guys about that in a
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: little bit. That doesn't mean the podcast is over. She says,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: this podcast is amazing. Hands with you, Becca, I just
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: feel like this is a place where I can walk
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: away and I know it's all good. I know it's
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: going to be great, and you allow me to have
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the space to step away when I need to. And
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I would listen to the podcast on the side, and
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, she's got this. I can walk away,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: so I will be supporting you back back up from
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: a distance. Rachel is also writing her own It's It's Her,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: a book is coming out. It's She says that it's
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: a it's a personal essay themed book. So what does
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: that mean? A personal essay themed book? I think it's well,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: ones that I've read are there just a bunch of
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: different topics. It's almost like a bunch of little mini
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: books book like little diary entries, but they don't have
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: like a flow to the topic the themes. Yes, yeah,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: so maybe there could be like one big central theme
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: and a bunch of different stories that make up that theme.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: But I wouldn't say they're all like one book. Okay, gotcha?
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: So her book is going be called miss Me with That?
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: And seriously, like, could Rachel Lindsay conquer more in this world?
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Like her? And her resume is amazing, she tweeted she
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Instagram this week. I've been waiting to share this so
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: thrilled to finally be able to tell y'all what I've
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: been working. I've I've been working on my first book,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Miss Me with That, a collection of personal essays, and
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: we got a while to wait on this one. It
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: comes out January two, she said, I can't wait for
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: it to be in your hands. Y'all know I won't
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: hold back. I'm telling my story, sharing my experiences and
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: opening my heart. I don't have time for that, I Kendall,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this multiple times. I mind boggled
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: by how hard this woman works and how like she
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: must sleep four hours a night for with all the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: jobs that she has. Bravo, She's She's incredible. Let's go
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: into some new couples was the question Mark News. Cassie
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Randolph was seen with boyfriend over the weekend. Okay, so
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: it's a rumored boyfriend. His his name is Brighton rhyin
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: hert and he. She and him were responded on Sunday
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: in Huntington Beach, her hometown, and um, he looks cute.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: She looks cute. I got nothing much more to say
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: about that, but I hope that Cassie is happy with
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: this new boy. Yeah. I think it's probably difficult to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: hear all the news with Colton as well, like that,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: with a new relationship with a bunch of things. Yes,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: let's do a little Google search of this brighton rhyin hard.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Do we think that he's like a celebrity? Is he
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: like in the Hollywood realm, like her sister's boyfriend, or
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: could he be just a regular old dude? He looks
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: he just looks familiar. I'm looking. I think this is
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Is this his instagram or maybe this is a fan Instagram?
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: You never know what. I think there is a fan.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: There's a picture to them together. It's not from either
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: their instagrams. But okay, so he's a musician. He's a producer,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: slash singer, songwriter. He also seems to be a Wilhelmina model.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: He has a song out, Part of that World, Part
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: of that World, Cassie, this is wow. This is a
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: little bit breaking news. Thirty four minutes ago this came
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: out and we got source quotes. Now, okay, the source
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: says she's really happy and she's definitely moved on with
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: her life. They were in Cosmel, Mexico together in April. Well,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: it looks like there's a new relationship. Then good for her, wonderful.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: That's very happy. That's very happy news. All right. Now
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: there's one that may not make many other girls who
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: are part of the Bachelor franchise and possibly headed to
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Paradise very happy. Uh, there's a picture of Mike Johnson
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and Abigail getting co z they were both in New
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: York City this weekend. And wow, in this picture, guys,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Mike kind of has his hand through Abigail's hair, He's
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: got his nose nuzzled up to her cheek ear area.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: He's whispering a little secret or something. Where did this
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: photo come from? Somebody's story? Okay, yeah, somebody's insto story
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: and they screenshot this, so neither of them posted it.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: My question here is this, do they are they going
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: to date now or are they getting ready to date
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: in Paradise and they're already coupled off. I'm not sure
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: because I think there were like a couple of rumors
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: of whom he was potentially going to date, or I
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: know that Piper was really interested in him as well.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I heard I heard her saying that he was her
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: crush um, and then they all did hang out in
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: New York. But man, I'm so curious. I Mean, what's
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: interesting is that because there's been so much time between,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: there's many people who would potentially be on Paradise A
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: lot of pastcast. There's been so many rumors with a
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: lot of different people, like Bennett apparently asked Kelly. We
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: he he broke that news right here on the podcast.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Oh oh my gosh. Yeah. Basically, you know, he said
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: he asked Peter for permission to date Kelly, and it's like, well,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: you know, cow about Kelly gives you her own permission. However,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I think maybe he used the wrong word there. He
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: basically just said, like, Peter, would I be ruffling your feathers?
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I think if I were to ask Kelly out, Because
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Bennett also made it seem as if he and Kelly
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: have already been flirting through the d M. That's what
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I thought when I initially heard that, But then I
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: heard he went on a date with k No, he
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: didn't go on Nope. He he debunked that right here.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: He said that they just met his friends. He really
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: feels like their age differences too significant. But so it's
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: just so interesting to see that there's everyone's hanging out.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I've seen people you know in um hery Hanut of Florida,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: New York, like everywhere San Diego, so it's interesting to
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: see that much of a crossover. Then there hasn't been
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: a season of Paradise. I bet you there's gonna be
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: like similar, you know how Blake, Yeah, it's gonna be
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: to happen again, so many Blake's yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I could just already tell. I could already tell. That's
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: another the reason why I don't want to go on
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: right now. You know what they should do? Oh my god. Okay,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: this is what we actually thought was going to happen
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of My Paradise season, because they had
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: us to come together for Lacey and Marcus fake wedding,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: and we thought that they were about to do this,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: And man, why aren't I a Bachelor producer? What if
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: there were two realms, two beaches in which there was
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: like twenty people here, and then there was twenty people there,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: and then you have them date amongst their twenty people
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: for like two to three weeks, and then all of
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: a sudden, you have them walk on the beach and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: they walk and they meet each other, the two groups,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: and everything crashes and collides. Oh my god, let's do it.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: That could happen. I mean, because there's so many people,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a surprise to maybe have more characters
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: on the show like that more people I know, So
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: then we could do like Monday and Tuesday Beach number one,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: and then on Wednesday and Thursday nights we have Beach
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: number two, and then midway through the season they collide
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: and we just do Monday and Tuesday nights. I'm exciting
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: myself with just my hypotheticals. I like that idea. Well,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: we got one last headline and it is a breakup,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: which makes me think, is this person going to be
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: a paradise Maddie Maddie pruittt She says she's single again
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: after a recent breakup. Says she recently just got out
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: of a eight month relationship. I was in a relationship
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: for about eight months, she says. Quote she never admitted
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: that in the past, she said, but it just didn't
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: work out. It just wasn't the right time. Who knows
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: what the future holds. She says that she has been
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: on a few dates since the split. We have never
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: gotten real confirmation, but it is rumored that the guy
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: that she broke up with was Denver Nuggets player Michael
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Porter Jr. So do you see Maddie in Paradise now
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: or Nah? I'm not sure after her experience on the show,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: she wants to go on another show. Yeah, But at
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: the same time, maybe they just had more to do
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: with Peter in the whole situation with that and how
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: that went down. But I don't know. I think she's
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: doing just fine finding love without being on Bachelor. At
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: the same time, it could give her another chance to opportunities. Yeah,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: And also Paradise is such a completely different experience than
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: being on Bachelor Bachelorette. It's just a completely different show. Yeah,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: so I can see that being it's very tempting. I
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: can see it counting for her for sure. I mean,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: do we get Peter on Paradise and like really mess
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: this thing up? No, not allowed. No, let's put Peter
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: and Hannah and and Maddie all there together. Oh my gosh,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's there's been so many people dating. It's
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: very like incestuous in a sense, like everyone dates everybody.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: So I can see a lot of clashing happening. There
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: a lot different storylines. Yeah, and like I know, you guys,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: we really don't get paid anything to go to Paradise,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: you know, It's it's like a per damn type of situation. Yeah,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: but please, producers pays people. They get all the juicy
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: juicy nous on TV. That would be worth the paycheck.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Do you know? It's so funny because there's so much
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: that there's so much that happens off camera. So I
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: feel like we all have to be caught up with
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Paradise and like, you know, the inner workings, all the
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: secret relationships that have been happening that way that seems
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: to always happen every year. You know, people can't help themselves.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: No they can't. But like I made it a rule
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: for myself because I'm not going to date anyone anyone
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: a Bachelor Nation before I went as supposed not doing it.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Very smart, very smart. I think it's the best way
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: to do it, you know, going fresh. You left with
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: a relationship, so that's the way to be. Yeah, you
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: didn't add any drama because if you go into Paradise
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: with a bunch of things that have happened in the past,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: then you know you're going to have to handle it
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: like publicly, right, not something that I want to avoid. Yeah, alright, well, um,
• 43:29
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• 43:31
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• 43:35
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• 43:40
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about Matt James and Rachel. We're
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: gonna be talking about Rachel, Lindsay's decision to leave her podcast,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: and advice for Michelle who will be the next Black Bachelorette.
• 43:53
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• 45:06
  Speaker 1: to the podcast. Thank you so much for being here. Wow,
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• 45:14
  Speaker 1: the kiddest. Um. Okay, so let's start out by talking
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: a little bit about Matt James rekindling his relationship with
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Rachel Kirkconnell. So we didn't talk to you after the finale.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: It was actually, in fact a couple of weeks before
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: the finale that we talked to you, and so much
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: has gone on. People were predicting whether or not they
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: would be together, and then on after the Final Rows
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: it seems like they would never be together, and now
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: it was like four weeks later they're spotted in New
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: York City together. I was saying to Kendall earlier in
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: the podcast, I was like, I'm kind of second guessing
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: his authenticity during after the Final Rose because he seems
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: so turned off by her. What is your take on
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: off this? Oh boy, so much all the time you
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: need you know, here's here's the what. Here's what I
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: saw when I watched the you know after the Final
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Rows episode. First and foremost, um I saw, and this
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: is gonna sound harsh, uh, media company malpractice because they
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: they knew this information was they had it, they didn't
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: do anything about it. And who paid the price for it?
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Not Rachel but Matt the first black Bachelor having to
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: grapple and deal with what does that mean? And then
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: having information that the company withheld that could have been
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: nipped in the butt. She could have never been a
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: content ever if they thought, hey, you know what's in
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: her past? Or he could have been he could have
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: been made aware like hey, we normally would never do this,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: but you need to know this because we don't want
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: you to be blindside it. There's so many things that
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: could have been done, but here he was deer in headlights,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: having to grapple with all of it and then do
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: it in the public. So what I saw was a
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: man And what it would would deeply moved me was
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: like when you saw the promo for The Bachelor when
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: he started clean shaven, had the like, oh man, and
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: on that show he was a shell of who he
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: was when he started in terms of his public presentation,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I said that there was symbolism to the beard, oh,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: without a doubt, And now you know, the beard is
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: gone and and he's you know, seemingly rekindling the relationship.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: But so so, what I saw was someone who unfairly
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: was put in a situation that they then had to
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: deal with. And I think that he probably felt, you know,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I even talked to man, I don't know men, So
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just you know, uh, extrapolating here. He probably felt like,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I haven't I have no other choice right now than
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: to take this stand. Like if I don't take this stand,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: am I really being you know? Am I being honest
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: to myself? Am I being true to what it means,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: you know, to be a black man? And like it's
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: like there was no win. So I understood the idea
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: of like, hey, you know what, I'm gonna check out
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: of this and wait, So it's not I didn't look
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: at him as someone who's whose opinion you can't trust,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: per se. I just saw someone who was put in
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: a situation that he should have never been put in,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: and there was no guidance on how to do it.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: So the best thing he could do was just protect himself.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: All I can do is protect, and the best way
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: to what do we do when we protect? We retreat?
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: You know what I gotta I gotta protect me. Now.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: With hearing that he that they were rekindling, I'll be
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: honest with you, I was very happy about that. And
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: you know what, I was happy about it because no
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: matter what, all the factors be them as they may,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: and you know, all the things that shouldn't have happened,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: they seemed to genuinely have a real connection and in
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: my mind, she seemed to genuinely seem remorseful for what happened. So,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: in any relationship, this is any relationship, to what degree
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: are you going to hold the past of the person
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: you're dating or you are falling in love with against them?
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like there was Well if this sounds
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: like an obvious question, but I'll ask it anyway. Do
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: you feel like his decision there on that stage next
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: to Rachel where you know he didn't even huggerr Or first,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: So what we saw, um, there was pressure for him
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: to make the decision not to continue to see her. Um,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: you know, I think you know again, Okay, as a
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: as a as a black man. If I'm put in
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: that situation, I understand the decision, because you know, it's
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: like how it's a very hard thing to to go
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: out in front of the world as a black man
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: and and accept publicly what all all of the facts.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: It's very hard. So, you know, if anything, maybe the
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: maybe the pressure was to just get out of this,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: like you know what, I I just it's it's this
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: is blown up. It's much bigger than I know how
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: to deal with the best ways for me to retreat,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: pull back, and get out of it. So maybe he
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: felt that pressure. I don't know if anyone in his
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Chris crew were pressuring him. I don't know what the
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: pressure from the network or the producers may or may
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: not have been, but I could imagine there was some
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: pressure to just you know what this I can't know now.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: And then also he did he did say that when
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: he brought it up to her, there was some discomfort
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: in her response, right, But you know, again, I'm not
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not making any excuses for her at all.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: You know, but if you've done something that you that
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: you are you have no awareness of, your initial response
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: could be one of ignerance, like, hey, what do you
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: mean dad? Not really being in touch with what it
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: really means. So I don't know a pressure he was
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: under other than this is a this is a this
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: is beyond me, This is overwhelming. I really didn't ask
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: for this. This is not what I asked for when
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I came on this show. There was who was protecting me? Who?
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing that really just It's like we
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: all talked about media, and we all talked about what
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: goes on in the public, but if you look closely,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: this is this is the cost. When we talk about
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: ratings and we talk about you know, uh, everybody just
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: wanting a big show, It's like, yo, we can still
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: do that, but who's taking care of the people? Oh?
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: So we were need to sacrifice people's lives for viewers,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: for eyeballs with no no accountability. I mean seriously, again,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know what ABC and I don't know what
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: the producers are doing in their internal groups, but there's
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: got to be some accountability around this. This we we
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: we should pray he comes out of this and he's
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: able to navigate. That's why I'm so excited that they're
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: getting back together. Because if that was a genuine connection,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: don't let anybody take that from you. You you go
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: and explore that for yourself and on your terms, you
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: decide if that's the right person for you, if that's
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: the right fit, on your terms. But there were things
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: that could have been done to help him along the way.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: So I think you've got the pressure of getting out, like, hey,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: this is over, We're done. I gotta just get out
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: of this the best way I can. Yeah, do you
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: feel like when he was on the stage out after
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: the final rose he was confused about his feelings for
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Rachel or do you think it was so much more
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: than that with how his reaction was with everything. No,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I think he was very I mean, you know, again
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: again I haven't talked to the brother, but I think
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: he was very confused. I think, so, um, how could
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: you not because then, also, you know, it's like, I
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: have these legitimate feelings on both sides. I can't believe
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: she did this. I can't believe the woman I fall
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: in love with has done that, And then what does
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: that mean? You know? So, yeah, I think he was
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: legitimately confused trying to sort it all out, having to
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: do it in front of the public. Everybody's watching what
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: there's there. If he had stayed with her, he'd have
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: been vilified. Leaving he was, you know, there was no
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: win and and very little support and protection to ensure
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: that what needed to be factored in was factored in,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: which was really how he was feeling and how she
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: was feeling, and making sure that they both had enough
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: information to gauge whether or not that was a real
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: feeling or just something that was produced. On that note,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Michelle will be the next Black Bachelorette this fall, So
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: do you have any advice for her or the franchise
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: and that time comes. You know, again, I'm not I'm
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: not as super I'm not well versed in how it
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: all works behind the scenes. I mean, you know, you
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: all have a much better idea about that. But if
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I were her, I would have a very candid conversation
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: with the producers, with the network, whoever the liaisons are,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: and say, hey, here, let's get some ground rules. If
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: there's anything in anyone's background that is racist, pracchased against
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: anyone or anybody, if you and you're going to keep
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: them as a contestant of the show, I need to
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: know period in the story like I'm not gonna go
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: through a process, and then all of a sudden like
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: no, no no, no, you all do a background checks anything
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: that is going to be that. I need protection as
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: a black woman. I need that information because I'm not
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: going to go through what you all put math through,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: right and also you can't afford for me to go
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: through it, because if if I go through it, you
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: may not have a franchise anymore. It's it's still it's
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: still t v D. What's gonna happen with this franchise.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: It's not out of the woods. Okay, it's still t
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: b D. So if I was Michelle, I would sit
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: down and get really clear about what I need. I
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: need more transparency, I need more protection and and I
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: need to not just be looked at as a contestant.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: I'm a person, this is this is I'm I'm a
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: had heart. I had a heart of emotions, right is
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: It's real for me. I know it's a show for you,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: but this is real for me, and I need some
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: some help and some guidance in that way. Um and
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: I'll you know, look again, you're asking me, I would
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: she I would say, hey, who who? Who? Of color?
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Do I have here as a support system on on
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: the production side that can help me if I if
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I have some problems. Yeah, it is such a very
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: it's a very real show, and I think a lot
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: of people do site that these are real people experiencing
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: real love, a lot of emotion. Um, what do you
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: think needs to happen next for the franchise? And again,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: this is gonna sound crazy. Okay, y'all ask me. You
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: asked me the questions. I'm just gonna answer, man, honestly,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: I think you gotta bring Chris back, Okay. And why why?
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Because if if this is the end of Chris, it
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: is it's let me put it this way, all of
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: us have been on the job and done something that
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: did not always represent the type of employee we've been,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: all of us. You know, when I was an executive
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: for Sony, you know, I made a few mistakes in
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: terms of how I handled a project and handled some people.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: They didn't throw me out. They said, we know your capability.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: We're just gonna take this as a mistake. But if
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: you do it again, it's gonna be a problem. But
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: take this as a warning. Okay. God, I got the
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: memo and I got back in there, and you know,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: my whole career has thrived since then. So when you
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: have someone who's been as loyal, as dedicated, as into
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: into integral to the show, if that was the last
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: we saw of him, it just leaves such a bad
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: taste in the mouth of of all of us, and
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I say us being a part of Bachelor Nation. It's
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: like he said what he said was wrong. There's no
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: excuse for it. He has said that he's continuing to
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: to do his work. Um, he's continuing to be remorseful
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: and he I believe it is old a shot to
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: get it right, because then when you go back and
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: you say, well, what did he what did he do
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: that that that made him get fire from the franchise, Like,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: he didn't he he was not unkind, he was not,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: you know, a terrible person to work with. He was
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: he didn't violate any ethics in that regard. I understand
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: that what he said was wrong, but when you talk
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: about losing your job, I think that he deserves a
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: chance to be brought back and let the public decide
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: if he is coming back and he's doing his work,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: let the numbers say to tell the story. But I
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: personally feel that if you get rid of Chris over
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: what happened, it's it's it's I don't know something about
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: it doesn't sit right with me. Do you find that
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: he can be integrated back into the show just right
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: off into Paradise or should there be another type of
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: interview with him. I don't think he can be integrated
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: back into well, you know, honestly, Paradise is probably the
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: perfect integration form because it's a little more fun. Uh,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: it's a little more carefree, you know, it's not there
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: isn't as much attention on Paradise from a media standpoint
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: as there as there is on The Bachelor and The Bachelorette,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: So Paradise could actually be a great way to see
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: what the public is saying about you know, him as
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: a host and whatnot. And maybe this idea of of
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: you know, having you know, female hosts that you he
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: does it with someone else, you know, where where it's
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: not all on him, but there's someone else there, you know,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: having a woman there that can you know, help carry
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: the load. And you know, and also that's probably what
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: what what should be any way, you know, Um, you know,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: I just think that balance is a is a good thing,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: and I think it's good for the for the franchise.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: So I actually think easing him in back on the
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Paradise might be a good move. Last question about Chris.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: I just want to know if you've talked to him recently,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: because I know that you were in communication with him
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: back when we spoke in February. Yeah, we um communicated,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: you know, right around um uh we communicated all through
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: that moment and you know, and and after that that
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: the final Rows show. You know, I just checked in.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: I want to say, hey, man, how you doing? He said,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm hanging there and doing well. Um. So
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: we haven't talked since then. UM, but I did connect him,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: you know, with some resources that he was taking advantage
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: of and really committing to the work. So that's why,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: you know, I can tell you personally stuff that's not
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: even in the public type of work that he has
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: committed to and the work that he's doing. Um So
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, yeah, I should probably reach out
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: to him and say, hey man, what's up, bro, Just
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: just checking on and make sure you're good, you know.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Uh So I'm gonna do that now that you mentioned
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: everyone was saying that the show is so different with
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: with Chris not being there, and he always was such
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: an advisor of sources for the men on the show.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: So I do like the idea of having Chris and
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: maybe another female host to have that balance because he
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: has so much experience with bringing people through the journey
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: that is the Bachelor totally, and and and you know,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: and what he knows and in his ability to just
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: ground the proceedings, uh, is valuable. It's a valuable thing. Um,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: you know again, I just I don't know, I mean,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: you know again, I know my opinion could be very
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: unpopular as it relates to this, but I just feel
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: like he he needs another shot and and and he's
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: and I frankly, I think he's earned it. I mean,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: my goodness, you know he's been I've been doing it
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: for so long. And and even if there was a plan,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: let's say the network said, hey, Chris, we're gonna have
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: to move on. Let's just say that that was their decision.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Give that make that a process, you know, like Okay, hey,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have you on Bachelor Paradise. We're gonna do this,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: and then you know, on the next thing, we're gonna
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: you know, phasee you out and let this host but
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is, but let's let there, let them.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Let there be a little bit more elegant way to
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: handle this than just to say, Okay, no, Chris never
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: returned and see you all later. Yeah, now that Chris
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: isn't on Bachelorette, do you think the Ears are going
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: to have a completely different experience the Bachelorette? Theirs? Totally.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: I mean. The thing about Chris though, is it's like
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: when you it's almost like you know, when you're a
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: camp and you never know when your parents gonna show up,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: you know, so when the parents going like a man, listen,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: we christained to, everybody's gonna be wild. And don't you know,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Bachelor's gone wild. That's probably what's
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: gonna happen. So I can't wait to see how it
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: all works out without him being there and without his presence, um,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: you know, being a presence in the in the show.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: So we have so many contestants coming up fighting for
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: spots in paradise. Do you think that your book, your
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: new book, Live Free, could help them when it comes
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: to fear and anxiety around finding love? Oh, without a doubt, household,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: because you know, this book is all about one uh
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: living free. And when I say living free, it means
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: that you I we are not under the mental, emotional,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: or physical control of anyone or anything. And the way
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: that we become free is to set expectations for ourselves.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: We don't allow anyone outside of us, the people we love,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: the culture, we don't allow our gender, we don't allow
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: our race to set the expectations that we live by.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: We set those expectations. So when you talk about you know,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: the contestants start to find love and being single first
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: and foremost, And I talked about this in the book.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: There's a whole section in this book on relationships. There's
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: multiple chapters on relationships, on being single and how to
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: manage our expectations first and foremost. If you are single,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: it's because you are whole. There is nothing wrong with
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: you as a single person. And if you are not
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: cultivating and practicing your happiness now as someone who is single,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you when you get in your relationship, you
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: ain't gonna be happy. Why because if you're looking to,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: you know, to become a contestant on the Bachelor and
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: and being Bachelor in paradise. Oh, because I want to
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: find love? Well, have you found love first in yourself?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Because if you do not look in the mirror or
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: when you take a selfie, if you don't love that reflection,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: you then become open to manipulation. How because you're gonna
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: want somebody to do something for you that you're not
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: doing for yourself. And then it's like you learned this idea, Oh,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: this person makes me happy. I think that is the
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: craziest statement ever. Why because the moment I say I'm
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: you make me happy, make means create. So I'm giving
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: you the ability to create what I should be creating
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: for myself. You can contribute to my happiness, thank you,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: But I am the creator of my happiness. And so
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: if somebody is trying to be a contestant, the way
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: to do it is through confidence of self. You know
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: who you are. You are great with what you have
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: to offer. And the more you learn to love yourself,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: and the more you at least the power of your singleness,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: you're going to be a better evaluate or of the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: people that try to court you or trying to date you,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: because you're gonna be like, now, you don't actually love you,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: You don't love you. And if you don't love you,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: a no way you're gonna even learn how to love me.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna move on, right. So there's so much
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: knowledge in this book that absolutely would help somebody. I think,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: you know, not only just succeed in the show, but
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: succeed in their love life no matter what happens on
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, going on Paradise Bachelor, I think it's
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: difficult not to have expectation. You know, you see everyone
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: else going through it, and you're thinking that could be me.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: I couldn't find love, and you you know, you have
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: an idea of maybe the Bachelor bachelrette whole in Paradise
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: is going to be and you have an expectation of
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: I can see myself with the person. Yeah, so what's
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: your what's your advice for people going on the show, Like,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: how do you not have expectation? After it's all out there?
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: You know, here's the reality. There's an expectation and it
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: means a strong belief about what should happen. So what happens?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: So you gotta ask you questions in order to have
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: an expectation. In the book, I talk about you have
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: to learn, we have to learn the process of setting expectations.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: That comes down to two questions. One, is the expectation
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I have realistic or unrealistic? What how do I know
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: what's realistic? Is it in my control? Two? Is it
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: is it's spoken or unspoken? Does the expectation need to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: be communicated? So first, for the first question, let's talk
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: about the show. Okay, So I have an expectation that
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: this show is going to deliver love. Do I control it? No? No, no, no.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: So why is this so important? Is because listen, I'm
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: not I've watched the show, so I'm not the only one.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Millions of people see people go on you know, Bachelor
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: in Paradise, Bachelor and lose their minds because they cite
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: themselves into thinking that if love doesn't happen for me
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: during this production, love ain't gonna happen for me. M
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: It's not true. It's just it's just it's not true.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: So you go into the show not getting out of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: it what you could because you need from the show
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: more than you're actually bringing to the show. Yeah, So
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: when you talk about expectations, it's like the best way
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: to go into the show is to have this expectation
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be my best self. I'm gonna be open
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: to love. I'm gonna be the love I want to receive.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna enjoy the experience, and I'm gonna let the
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: result be whatever the result is. If I don't find love,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: it's not a reflection on me. If I don't find love,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: it's not becauause I'm not lovable. If I don't find love,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: it's not because I'm not valuable. I just didn't find
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: him up. Okay, great, cool, Let me keep moving right.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Let me go in for the experience. Let me let
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: me let me take the expectation off outside of the
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: expectation that I control is, which is how how you
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: actually can go onto the show. The other thing is
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: this the second part of the setting expectation is critical communication. Listen,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: if I was ever on these shows, oh boy, listen, Hey,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: here's the thing. This is something y'all ask my question.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you. Here's things. I think there's way
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: too much kissing on these show, way too much the kissing.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Come on, I understand, y'all, do it. I get it.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: I am not judging. There's the reason why I say why.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: I am correlating communication. This is this is the author
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: of the weight here exactly. No. But here's the thing.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with kiss And I'm just saying, like, yo, like,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a second, hold on a second.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: First of all, what what what is your intention? What?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: What's what's going on with you? Like? Who are Like?
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Before I decide don't want to kiss you, I need
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: to know what's going on with you? Who are you? Who? Who?
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Here's who I am right like And here's the thing
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: I do not want to to because listen, y'all, listen,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: I'm just telling my truth. Talk about expectation. So physically,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: what happens is Oh, even with the fantasy suite, Oh
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: so you know, and that was a part last season.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: I was like, man, this, this, no, this too, it's
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: too much for me. You're gonna have a fantasy suite
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: with these three women. I don't know what you did.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you didn't do. And then you
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: come out of it. Oh man, Well, let's say that experience,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: you know, let's say there was a sexual experience, and
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: let's say that sexual experience wasn't exactly what you wanted.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: So then because it didn't meet your expectation. In a moment,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: you come out and you discard somebody actually could have
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: been the right fit. My gosh, h yeah, who listen,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: who gets it right the first time? No one, No
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: one especially exactly. So this is this is this is
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: why if you know I would listen, I'd be talking.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: I'd be say, hey, what so, so you want to
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: go into this sweep? What is your expectation. Let's get
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: it clear now. I want to know what you're expecting
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: to go down in there, right, because the more we communicate,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: then the more information you have to know how you
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: want to navigate the situation. This book is all about
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: getting the power back you can know. Okay, let's say
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: you're in a situation where you know, hey, the fantasy suite,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: they tell you, hey, you know what I wanna You know,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: I want to It's about I want to have sex
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: and see if that were compatible on that way. Now
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: you have the information, but you have the choice that
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: that's what you want to do versus not asking the question.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: And then you get into a city suation that maybe
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: you didn't even want to necessarily do that, but because
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: it's already kind of happening, and the cameras, you just
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: go with it in your heart. You're like, man, I
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: didn't really want to do that. This book and this
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: message is all about taking the power back. I think
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: your book Live Free should be required reading for everybody
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: that's going into Paradise and Bachelor, hands down, right, because
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: we get in our own heads, you know what I mean,
• 1:11:25
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