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Declared Dead And Body Bagged For Nearly An Hour! His Full Incredible Story · Prioritize Your Life

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  Speaker 1: He unzipped that body bag. He started feeling around for
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  Speaker 1: a pulse, didn't feel any. Completely opened my eyes to
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  Speaker 1: why we're here on Earth and truly understanding that Earth
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  Speaker 1: is a school and it will never be a courtroom.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Prioritize Your Life and PrioritizeYourLife.com. I'm excited today
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  Speaker 2: to be here with Vinnie Tolman. This is exciting.
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  Speaker 1: I love this kind of thing. I love, um, sharing
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  Speaker 1: inspirational experiences, inspirational stories. So thank you for all that
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  Speaker 1: you do.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, uh, my experience, it is, uh, considered an ADE
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  Speaker 1: or an after death experience. Um, I'm, I'm classified in
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  Speaker 1: the group of people that have had these as a
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  Speaker 1: body bagger where I was revived out of a body bag. And, uh,
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  Speaker 1: my experience starts, um, back in 2003. I was a
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  Speaker 1: bodybuilder or amateur bodybuilder. No titles, not even any serious
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  Speaker 1: competition at all. Just an amateur, just working on the
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  Speaker 1: body a lot. We had a supplement that worked really well.
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  Speaker 1: It would help your muscles recover a lot faster than normal.
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  Speaker 1: So you could go to the gym and work out
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  Speaker 1: the same muscle group every day. And we ordered some
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  Speaker 1: of this stuff online. It was sold out locally everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Ordered it online and when it came, It had writing
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  Speaker 1: in Thai, you know, the Thai script. And my buddy
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  Speaker 1: and I, neither of us read or knew how to
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  Speaker 1: read Thai script.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But we opened the bottle. It smelled the same
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  Speaker 2: as the American stuff. So we figured, hey, it's the same.
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  Speaker 2: We each took just a liquid bottle cap. That's it.
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  Speaker 1: And that's normally all you need. And that's going to
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  Speaker 1: help your muscle recovery much faster.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So we both took it.
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  Speaker 1: And within minutes, we could feel that this was different
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  Speaker 1: I could feel a coldness going over my, like almost
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  Speaker 1: from my heart area down the rest of my body.
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  Speaker 1: And later, you know, in my life, I've had surgery.
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  Speaker 1: And when they do IV anesthesia, that's exactly what it
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  Speaker 1: feels like. It's like going to the heart first and
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  Speaker 1: then spreading. That's what I felt. I felt like that
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  Speaker 1: coldness coming over. And so I knew something was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: So did my body.
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  Speaker 1: We decided to go down to a little local burger
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  Speaker 1: joint that was open for breakfast.
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  Speaker 2: We went down there.
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  Speaker 1: This happened January 18, 2003, in the morning. We go
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  Speaker 1: down to this place. We barely make it in. I
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  Speaker 1: make it directly into the bathroom, and it's a single-use bathroom,
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  Speaker 1: so I lock the door. Just out of habit, single-use bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: You close that door, you lock it. As soon as
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  Speaker 1: I got in there, just the world was spinning on me.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like everything was spinning. I fell back and
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  Speaker 1: passed out, collapsed on my back. And it was there
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  Speaker 1: that I started to vomit. I aspirated and I died
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  Speaker 1: right then and there on that floor. And the next
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  Speaker 1: thing I know, I am now looking down at this
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  Speaker 1: scene from above and I am seeing a dead body.
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  Speaker 1: But there's no way it was me because me was
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  Speaker 1: up here like looking down. It was not even possible
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  Speaker 1: for me to even think that that could have been me.
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  Speaker 1: I just thought, hmm, this is interesting. I'm now sitting
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  Speaker 1: up here watching this. It almost felt like I was
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  Speaker 1: in a very comfortable chair watching a movie, but watching
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  Speaker 1: the whole scene from above. And I watched this ambulance crew.
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  Speaker 1: It was already there by the time I was in
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  Speaker 1: this space where I was looking down, and the ambulance
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  Speaker 1: crew was dealing with my buddy. He had walked in
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  Speaker 1: the restaurant, Collapsed on the first booth and vomited. Same
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  Speaker 1: as I, but he was on that booth. Manager saw
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  Speaker 1: what was going on. He called emergency services. They got
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  Speaker 1: an ambulance there. They took him away and I was
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  Speaker 1: watching them, you know, wheel him away on a gurney
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  Speaker 1: and put him in the ambulance. And I tried to
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  Speaker 1: follow that ambulance. And as I tried to follow, I
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  Speaker 1: only made it about a half of a block. And
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  Speaker 1: then I felt like this pulling back. And so now
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  Speaker 1: I was back again, hovering over this, this scene at
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  Speaker 1: the restaurant. And I kept looking kind of centered on
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  Speaker 1: this dead body. Like I, I just felt horrible for
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  Speaker 1: whoever this was that nobody knew that he was in
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  Speaker 1: there and he was dead. I could hear the thoughts
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  Speaker 1: of everyone in that place, including, you know, customers and guests.
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  Speaker 1: I could hear the cook in the back. I could
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  Speaker 1: hear the manager. Even his assistant manager, I could hear
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  Speaker 1: her thoughts. It was just very odd. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I had worked in the movie industry. So I thought
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  Speaker 1: this is very interesting that a director of photography or
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  Speaker 1: a director would decide we're going to shoot this from
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  Speaker 1: above and have the viewer hearing everyone's thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that was just such a weird choice. But
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  Speaker 2: I also thought, hmm, that's kind of artistic.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe I'll interpret it differently as this plays out
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  Speaker 1: as I'm watching it. And I have this, I hear
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  Speaker 1: this one customer, he kept thinking, like, why is that
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  Speaker 1: bathroom still locked? And he kept going and trying to
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  Speaker 1: use that, like open that bathroom door. And it wasn't locked,
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  Speaker 1: it was locked, he couldn't open it up. After like
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  Speaker 1: the third try, he went to the manager and said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know, can you open that door? And he did say,
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  Speaker 1: I think there's somebody in there in trouble because I
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  Speaker 1: keep hearing a phone ringing in there. And sure enough,
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  Speaker 1: the manager opened that door and found a dead body
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  Speaker 1: on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: He called emergency services.
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  Speaker 1: And while he was on the phone, he was coaching
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  Speaker 1: his assistant manager to like, you know, feel for a pulse.
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  Speaker 1: And as she was feeling for a pulse, she even
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  Speaker 1: felt like around the neck area. It was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: covered with vomit, with sick. So it was disgusting to her.
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  Speaker 1: But as soon as she touched the skin, she like
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  Speaker 1: recoiled back and she's like, He's cold.
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  Speaker 2: It's cold.
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  Speaker 1: And as soon as the operator on the phone heard that,
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  Speaker 1: they said, you know what, just secure the room. Make
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  Speaker 1: sure nobody gets in there. We already have, you know,
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  Speaker 1: medical services coming as well as police. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they waited a few minutes. It was very quick, right?
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  Speaker 1: Pretty much right after that. Only maybe three to five
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  Speaker 1: minutes from my perspective. A second ambulance was there. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this crew is a three-man crew. Those are kind of rare,
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  Speaker 1: but this one is a three-man crew because there was
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  Speaker 1: a brand new guy, a rookie, and he was kind
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  Speaker 1: of shadowing the two veterans. And they came out. The
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  Speaker 1: two veterans ascertained that the body was dead. They did
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  Speaker 1: try to do some chest compressions, trying to see if
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  Speaker 1: they could get any sign of life.
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  Speaker 2: They couldn't.
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  Speaker 1: So they did pronounce dead on arrival. They sent that
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  Speaker 1: rookie in to go get a body back They, you know,
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  Speaker 1: rolled out this body bag, got the body into it.
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  Speaker 1: They did do this little packet thing where they cut
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  Speaker 1: like a section of the skin. And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing, but they also did all of that.
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  Speaker 1: All of this was going on. And I'm just feeling
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  Speaker 1: like horrible for whoever this is and their family and
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  Speaker 1: thinking this is such a horrible thing. The whole time
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  Speaker 1: I could hear this rookie. The rookie kept saying to himself,
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  Speaker 1: this sucks. Like, why can't we keep doing something more
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  Speaker 1: for this one? And he kept telling himself in his mind,
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  Speaker 1: why are you even doing this job if they're not
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  Speaker 1: going to let you do this job? Because he wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do more. But the veteran medics are like, nope,
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  Speaker 1: this is what you do. You follow protocol.
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  Speaker 2: You do this. You know, you attempt this for this long.
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  Speaker 2: If there's no response, you attempt this. There's no response.
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  Speaker 1: You pronounce death on arrival. So that was a frustrating
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  Speaker 1: thing for him and for me because I was siding
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  Speaker 1: with him like, why aren't they trying harder for this guy?
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  Speaker 2: They went ahead and bagged the body.
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  Speaker 1: They had the rookie watch the body in the back
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  Speaker 1: of the ambulance. And his job was just to sit
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  Speaker 1: back there on this little jump chair that folds down.
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  Speaker 1: He was sitting there just kind of babysitting the body
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  Speaker 1: while the other two medics went around and They were
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  Speaker 1: asking for like witness statements, like basic witness statements. They
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  Speaker 1: went ahead and they got all that cleared up, got
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  Speaker 1: some statements. They went in to the ambulance and right
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  Speaker 1: as they're about to pull away, a police officer showed up.
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  Speaker 1: And so the head medic, he got out and they
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  Speaker 1: exchanged some information. And from my perspective, it looked like
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  Speaker 1: he was giving him some paperwork too or a copy
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  Speaker 1: of the paperwork. And the police officer cleared them, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and turn this body into the medical examiner.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's what they did. They drove down the
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  Speaker 1: street about a block and a half, and they were
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  Speaker 1: on their way to the medical examiner when right at
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  Speaker 1: this about block, block and a half mark down the
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  Speaker 1: road from the actual death scene, the rookie medic where
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  Speaker 1: he was sitting in the back, he started to actually
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  Speaker 1: have light, real light, start to glow out of him,
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  Speaker 1: out of his heart space. It was as if there
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  Speaker 1: was a really bright floodlight inside of his shirt. That's
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  Speaker 1: what it looked like to me. And as that light
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  Speaker 1: started to grow, it was growing And then I heard
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  Speaker 1: really loud, this one's not dead.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like he heard it too. Or he
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  Speaker 2: received that message somehow.
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  Speaker 1: Because you know when you're kind of riding as a
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  Speaker 1: passenger in a car, you kind of have like a
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  Speaker 1: relaxed energy as you're riding. And when that message happened,
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  Speaker 1: he went like this. And he went rigid, like, what
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  Speaker 1: was that? And then I heard his mind say, that
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  Speaker 1: was your imagination.
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  Speaker 2: You made that up.
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  Speaker 1: And the next thing I know, they're now another half
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  Speaker 1: block down the road, but the light is even brighter now.
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  Speaker 1: It's grown from his waist to almost above his head,
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  Speaker 1: where light is like coming out of him. And now
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  Speaker 1: for a second time, that voice came and said, this
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  Speaker 1: one's not dead. but it came so loud and so strong.
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  Speaker 1: It was as if he couldn't deny it this time.
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  Speaker 1: So he went ahead, he unzipped that body bag. He
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  Speaker 1: started feeling around for a pulse, didn't feel any. But
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  Speaker 1: he had, you know, to get down to the groin
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  Speaker 1: area where we have a major artery on our bodies,
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  Speaker 1: he had to undo a couple more straps on that
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  Speaker 1: body bag. He undid those straps, felt down there. And
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  Speaker 1: as he was feeling for that artery, that big artery,
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  Speaker 1: He made contact with the femur bone, like the actual
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  Speaker 1: bone of my leg. And when he made that contact,
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  Speaker 1: I felt, where I was sitting, watching this whole thing,
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  Speaker 1: I felt a spark.
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  Speaker 2: Like I jumped.
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  Speaker 1: And even though, technically speaking, I wasn't in my body,
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  Speaker 1: I was attached enough that there was something there. And
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  Speaker 1: he jumped too. So we both jumped as soon as
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  Speaker 1: that spark, that little spark flashed. was felt by both
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  Speaker 1: of us. He jumped and kind of flinched a little.
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  Speaker 1: But to him, that was enough of a sign that
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  Speaker 1: he was going to go ahead and break protocol and
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  Speaker 1: try to resuscitate this body. Well, you know, that's something
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  Speaker 1: you're not supposed to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially a rookie. Yeah, especially a rookie.
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  Speaker 1: The other two medics didn't notice right at first what
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  Speaker 1: he was doing. But as soon as he hooked up
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  Speaker 1: the defib machine and started making all the alarm bells,
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  Speaker 1: they looked back and they They're saying, hey, what are
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  Speaker 1: you doing? You can't do this. You're going to get fired.
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  Speaker 1: This is against the law. This is against protocol. You
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  Speaker 1: have to treat a dead body with certain respects. You
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  Speaker 1: can't do this kind of stuff. And it was as
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  Speaker 1: if he didn't hear them at all. He went ahead
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  Speaker 1: and let the defib machine charge the body or hit
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  Speaker 1: it with electricity, the heart area with electricity. And the
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  Speaker 1: body jolted, but that was it. There was a jolt, though.
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  Speaker 1: The second time, he went ahead with the second shock.
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  Speaker 1: With the second charge, there was a single heartbeat, and
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  Speaker 1: then it was back to flatline or no heartbeat. And
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  Speaker 1: then the third round, he went ahead for that third round,
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  Speaker 1: and instantly, as soon as the shock happened, there was
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  Speaker 1: a steady heartbeat. And, you know, one of the miracles,
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  Speaker 1: because I feel there's multiple miracles in my experience, just many. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: One of the miracles to me is the fact that
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  Speaker 1: he followed that prompting and broke protocol. Because I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be here speaking with you, at least not in physical form.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so he was my saving angel on this
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  Speaker 1: side of things on earth. He was the one who
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  Speaker 1: broke protocol, put his brand new job on the line. Later,
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  Speaker 1: I did find out he did get in quite a
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  Speaker 1: bit of trouble And he transferred, a lateral transfer to
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  Speaker 1: a different department as a fireman medic because of all this.
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  Speaker 1: So for him, he felt that was enough motivation. But
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of where my story begins, is right there
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  Speaker 1: where I died and they brought my body back. I
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  Speaker 1: still didn't know it was me. I thought for sure
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  Speaker 1: this was some type of.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of multi-experiential entertainment of some sort. I didn't understand
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  Speaker 1: what it was. I just knew that I was very
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  Speaker 1: involved with my emotions and my heart with everything that
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  Speaker 1: was going on. I watched them transfer the body from
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  Speaker 1: the ambulance into the hospital gurney because I think God
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  Speaker 1: or happenstance, whatever you want to believe, it had this
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  Speaker 1: play out that the heart started within about a hundred
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  Speaker 1: or a couple hundred feet of the hospital. So they
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  Speaker 1: were right there that when the heart started, they were
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  Speaker 1: able to route directly into this hospital. And they were
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  Speaker 1: able to get the body in, get a team there,
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  Speaker 1: a trauma team ready to meet it. They were working on,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all the different systems of the body. There
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  Speaker 1: was a lot going on. The body was going into
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  Speaker 1: full seizures and vomiting, more things coming out of the
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  Speaker 1: stomach and And as I was all happening, I just
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  Speaker 1: felt this was not good. I felt horrible for whoever
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  Speaker 1: this was. But I also knew that somehow I was involved.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know how yet, though. As they brought the
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  Speaker 1: body into the hospital, because of the seizures, they had
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  Speaker 1: to strap the legs and the arms down so that
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  Speaker 1: they could work on the different systems that they needed
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  Speaker 1: to work on. And as they strapped the legs, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't feel anything. As they strapped the right arm, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't feel anything. But I'm left-handed, and as they strapped
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  Speaker 1: the left arm, I felt someone pulling my left arm down.
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  Speaker 2: And I resisted. I literally resisted.
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  Speaker 1: And I pulled so much so that I looked down
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  Speaker 1: where I was watching this body in the scene, and
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  Speaker 1: I watched the body break the strap that they were
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  Speaker 1: trying to use. And so then they had to come
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  Speaker 1: with a second strap, a big strap, And they put
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  Speaker 1: that one on the left arm. It looked just like
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  Speaker 1: the ones they put on the legs. And that's when
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  Speaker 1: I had this moment where what you're watching is you.
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  Speaker 2: And I.
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  Speaker 1: Felt such an idiot. Like how could I have been
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  Speaker 1: watching this whole time my own body in front of
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  Speaker 1: me and not know it was me? Like how is
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  Speaker 1: that possible? I felt so dumb. I felt so ignorant.
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  Speaker 1: And so as soon as I had those thoughts, like,
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  Speaker 1: this is you. And it almost like my mind voice said,
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  Speaker 1: this is you, idiot. All these very kind of self-demeaning thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: And I actually started to see every little bad thing
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  Speaker 1: I did in my whole life.
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  Speaker 2: Everything.
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  Speaker 1: Even from a little baby. You know, four or five
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  Speaker 1: years old. All the way up to that date at
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  Speaker 1: 25 years old, I saw everything bad or anything that
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  Speaker 1: I had a bad intention. I saw what happened, but
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  Speaker 1: I also saw it from the perspective of those around me.
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  Speaker 1: And it was so weird because it felt like only
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  Speaker 1: a few seconds, but at the same time, I saw
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  Speaker 1: it all and I was very conscious of even the
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  Speaker 1: littlest things that I did that were not positive and
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  Speaker 1: that were negative and the impact of those negative things.
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  Speaker 1: And then I started to have this feeling come into me.
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  Speaker 2: Like, look at you. Look at what this is.
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  Speaker 1: Are you even worth existing? And that's when I started
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  Speaker 1: to feel this warmth. And the same way that when
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  Speaker 1: I first took that supplement and that coolness started to
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  Speaker 1: come over me, it was the opposite.
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  Speaker 2: It was warmth.
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  Speaker 1: And instead of coming from the front side of me,
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  Speaker 1: the warmth was coming from behind me, around my back.
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  Speaker 1: from about my lungs or my chest area. And this
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  Speaker 1: warmth just started to completely envelop me. And as it
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  Speaker 1: came over my shoulders, it's almost like you're getting a
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  Speaker 1: hug from a cloud.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it felt like.
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  Speaker 1: It just felt this enveloping warmth coming over me. Then
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  Speaker 1: I started to see all the good I ever did.
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  Speaker 2: And there was a lot. I did a lot of
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  Speaker 2: good things.
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  Speaker 1: But I also got to see Sometimes when I didn't
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  Speaker 1: even know I was doing good, I was doing good
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  Speaker 1: and making a difference for people. And I got to
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  Speaker 1: see kind of the butterfly effect of how they reacted
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  Speaker 1: and were able to go forth and put more good
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  Speaker 1: energy out into the universe. And that's when I started
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  Speaker 1: to recognize that the energy I was feeling was love.
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  Speaker 1: But the weird part is it was a love I
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  Speaker 1: had never felt before.
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  Speaker 2: Not in this life. I....
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  Speaker 1: Feel that we come from that love, all of us.
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  Speaker 1: And I've missed it because as I felt it, I
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  Speaker 1: embraced every bit of it.
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  Speaker 2: And it made me feel.
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  Speaker 1: Like I was a missing piece from a puzzle and
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: now I was being put back in the puzzle. I
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: felt that that's the energy I was supposed to always
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: be feeling my whole life. And as that love came
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: over me, I I recognized it was directionally coming from
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: behind me. And it wasn't coming from looking at this scene,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: but it was coming from behind me. So I turned around.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: As I turned around, I see, like, I swear, you
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: look like the Hollywood version.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Of, like, God.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Is this you know white man with very pink skin
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: long white beard long white hair in a white suit
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: white pants and I the love that his eyes were
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: giving me is better than all the good things on
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: this earth added up together. It completely changed me just
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: seeing him. And my first thought was, oh, this is God.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: And he just smiled and he goes, no, son, I'm
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: not God. And I felt confused. It's like, but this
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: is what I grew up thinking God was going to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: look like.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: And here you are. If you're not God, then Are
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: you Jesus?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Like, I was just trying to figure things out. And
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: he said, no, son, I'm not Jesus. He explained, he said, Vinny,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and this is a new thing for me. He was
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: communicating with me and me with him without using our
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: language at all. He said, Vinny, I'm here to be
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: your guide. And I love you.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I want to take you wherever you want to go.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: And he said, He.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Explained that those who love him call him Drake. And
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: so I said, okay, Drake, you know, this sounds good.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: And I repeated back to him, anywhere.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: In the universe? Like anywhere? And he said, yes, anywhere.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Anywhere in the universe you want to go, I can
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: take you there. And I thought about it for half
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: of a millisecond. You know, all my little boy sci-fi
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: brain was thinking like, oh, this place, this place, this place.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: And then instantly I knew I wanted to go wherever
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: this love was coming from. I was raised in a pretty,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: really rough upbringing. And I had a lot of brokenness
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: in me. And this love was fixing it. It was
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: actively fixing it as I sat there. And so I
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: knew I wanted more of that. I wanted more of whatever.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: This love is.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: So I told him, I said, Drake, I want to
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: go wherever this love is coming from, this energy that
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: you're sharing with me. I want to go wherever that
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: comes from. So he expressed that this is an energy
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: that we all have access to. We only get very
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: limited versions of it here on Earth. And he described
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Earth as being a school. We visited that later, but
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: he said on Earth school, this kind of love is
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: very rare, and you only get small versions of it,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: but if you want, I can take you to your home.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And I said, my home? How is that place my home?
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I came from earth, and he explained that no, I
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: didn't come from earth. That my home, where he could
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: take me, what we would call heaven, that's our home.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: That he could take me back there. And so we
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: began this journey.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I said, yeah, let's do it. Let's do this.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: And we began this journey. And meanwhile, they did resuscitate
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: my body. I was brain dead. And I was brain
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: dead for three days. And while I was brain dead,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I was having my experience with Drake. I got to
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: learn some very beautiful principles that... completely opened my eyes
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: to why we're here on earth what we're doing here
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: what we're supposed to be doing and and not just
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: that understanding the rules of the game at earth school
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: and and truly understanding that earth is a school it's
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: always been a classroom for us and it will never
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: be a courtroom there's a lot of you know different
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: people out there saying that we're here to be you know, judged, kept,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: or thrown away.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: And that's not the case at all.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he explained that everyone here, if we make it
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: to earth school, just to make it here, in the
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: realm of existence and life, we're already the cream of
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the crop. If we can just get here to earth school,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: it's like the hardest school there is for souls. And
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: so that's one of the, the beautiful things that I
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: was able to learn from him that, you know, why
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: we come here is very different than what most people believe.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: And it's definitely not to go and earn some great
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: income because we don't get to take that with us.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: But in that process of helping me understand the real
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: fundamental principles that we could all implement into our lives
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: that will get us in alignment, so that we have
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: that trajectory to strengthen ourselves through our earth school experience.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: So that we're.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Ready when we graduate, we get to go and be
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: ready for what's next, for going home and really celebrating
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: that return. And it was just an absolutely amazing journey.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: One of the first things he taught me was above
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: all things, authenticity is more important than anything in our
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: lives here. And the reason why is because we can't grow,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: we can't learn, and we can't love or be loved
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: unless we're authentic first. And when we are finding real
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: actual love in this life, or we're giving real love,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: it's only in a way that we can be authentic.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: And if we can kind of, you know, bring authenticity
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: into our whole being, That gives us the ability to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: build ourselves and grow at a foundational level.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: In our school.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a big aha that authenticity is so important.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: You know, Drake, he brought me through essentially nine or
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: ten more, nine more but ten total principles that he
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: taught me about. And he didn't teach them to me
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: like here's principle one, here's principle two. He taught me
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: He was just observing me and saying, okay, here's what
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: we want to learn next. Here's what I want to
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: show you next. And I didn't have to say that
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I accepted what he was trying to teach me. All
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I had to do is say I was willing to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: believe it was possible.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: As long as I was willing to believe it was possible,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I could keep going with him. And while we made
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: it all the way towards.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: This amazing, beautiful, just huge space, And to me, it
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: looked like a planet, but it was far bigger than
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: any planet in our system. Far bigger.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: It felt like you could probably put a million Earths
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: inside this space. But it also looked like a sun.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: And all the light was coming from it, the place
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: that we were going, our destination. And as we got
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: closer and closer, I could see that it was so.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: From far off, it was like white light coming off
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: As we got closer and closer, it's almost like I
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: had to adjust my light, like this little kid energy
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: coming out of me as we got closer and closer
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: and closer. I didn't understand why I was getting so excited.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I was just trying to figure it out, actually, right?
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: As we touched down and came down, we had come down.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: There was this.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Huge mountain, very, very large mountain, I feel like the
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: mountain itself was as big as our planet.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: And we're coming down and we actually touched down.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Next to this mountain, there was like a little lake
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: and a little river and this big forest and then
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: these buildings. The primary building was this big building that
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: we were coming down almost within like a half mile
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: of it or maybe even a quarter mile of it.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: We come down as soon as my feet touch the
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: ground The first thing I think is, oh, wow, I
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: have feet. Because, you know, I now knew that I
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: was dead. But I was looking down and seeing my toes.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I could see my toes. And I saw that my
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: toes were coming down and touching grass. And the second
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that grass, like, touched me, I was instantly flooded with
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: this light. And it was coming from the grass itself.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: And it was more of this love that Drake had
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: been showing me. And it was just pouring into me
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: as if I was finding my charger port. And as
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: soon as my feet touched, I started getting this fulfilling
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: love energy come over me. And the really cool thing is,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: as I look down to see, whoa, this is happening,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I noticed that the grass is so different than anything
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: on earth. Just millions of shades of green. But the
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: blades of grass themselves glowed. Light was coming out of them.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: There was no external source of light like our sun.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: There wasn't that. The light was coming from inside. That's
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: why I realized that light... comes from everything there. And
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: so that's why it felt like a sun. It's because
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: light was coming from everything there. And this grass, it
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: had like a humor, a consciousness, a loving energy. And
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: it It was expressing how much it loved me. And
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is just grass, but it's so beautiful.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: And the grass itself had a sweetness. And just by
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: touching it, you actually would taste like what I felt
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: was taste.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I could taste the sweetness. And then I could.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: See these like oscillating rainbow, just shimmering rainbows coming off
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: of the grass itself. almost like it was radiating off
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: of the grass.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: And then there was a very beautiful, it felt like
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: a concert.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: But like at a micro level, you could hear just
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: this beautiful tone coming off of the grass.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: And I was just flabbergasted.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: And Drake just kind of sat back and was just
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: smiling and watching me. And I kept looking to him like.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Can you see this?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Do you believe this is happening? And I'm freaking out.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: And he's just laughing. He's having fun with me. And
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: he lets me calm down a little bit. And then
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: he goes, he goes, Vicki, if you think the grass
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: is great, let me show you flowers. And I about
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: lost it.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like, there's flowers.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: And I was now touching the petal of this flower
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: while I was looking down into the middle of it.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: And I could feel the same energy, but even more
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: beautiful than the grass. And at such a higher level
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: of love energy, even coming off of that flower. And
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: as I was just trying to take this all in,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Drake came back and he said, there's also trees.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: And I was like, there's trees.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: So then he did kind of the same thing. He
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: let me plug in to the trees. And when I
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: say plug in, I mean, He allowed my consciousness through
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the grass. I was back in the grass and connect
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: to what is the trees. And I recognize that the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: trees themselves are, they feel that they're living beings. They
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: feel that they have their own consciousness, their own energy
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: to themselves. And these trees themselves, they just.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Live at a lot slower level than us.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: And so we feel that they're like planted in the
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: ground But they feel like they could walk if they
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: wanted to. You know, they have just this sacred energy
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: about them. Pristinely sacred energy. And as I was plugging
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: into them, I could connect to this supreme consciousness. And
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: it was the collection of these trees in that area.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: And they were expressing to me how much they loved me.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there thinking thoughts like, why me? And
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: they said, because you're you. And then they explained that that's.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: How they love all creation. Every little piece of creation
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: they absolutely love this way. And so they expressed and.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Tried to show me things I couldn't understand. But as
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I was feeling and receiving all of this, that's when
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I noticed there was this building. And I had noticed
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: it coming in, but I didn't notice notice it, meaning
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: that as I started to notice what it was, I
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: could see that it was this huge, vast building. It
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: was built out of one piece of marble, the entire building,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: like everything on that building was built out of this
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: one huge slab of marble. And I could feel that
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: there was this beautiful supreme consciousness that in the building itself. And,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: and Drake was trying to help me understand what the
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: building was. And the best I can ascertain is that
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: it was, it is some type of like university or
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: place of higher learning, a place where people can go
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: and learn true, true history, true knowledge, you know, unbiased
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: and un, un convoluted or, or, um, you know, patronized
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: or ruined you know like true knowledge and it was
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: a Place that I watched people as they would go
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: up to a doorway they would have to match the
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: energy of that room and Then the doorway would would
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: actually form in the wall They would go in and
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: then as soon as they would go through it would
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: just be sealed as If it was almost like it
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: was liquid the marvelous self.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I could feel just this.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Overwhelming divine presence of coming over me from all of
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: these things. And it was like, I had to put
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: all these puzzle pieces together. And as I was, I
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: was recognizing that there was this just supreme presence there.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: And that I had connected to the grass version and
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the flower version and the building version, the trees version. And,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: and actually right before the building, I did have, um,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: the water actually came over to my toes and it
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: asked me, the water itself asked, do you want us
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: on you?
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: And I said, yes.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I felt as that supreme love that was coming even
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: from the water. It was washing away and healing every
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: bit of trauma or damage that I had received in
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: this life. And I got to feel like a wholeness,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: a wholeness that I had never felt before. And it
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: was life-changing, completely life-changing. Just to go through to this point,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: it was completely life-changing. And that's when I was just
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: full of love. I was grinning so big. I was
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: so happy. And I was looking to Drake like, Drake,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: this is so amazing.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Thank you for bringing me here.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you for allowing me to come to my home.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I now know it was my home. I didn't know
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: it was until I got there.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: But I recognized it was my home.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I couldn't remember being there before yet, but I know
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: if I had stayed long enough, the memory would have
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: come back that I had come from that place. And
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: as I was just expressing this love to him, he
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: came over to me and he looked me in the
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: eyes and put his arms around me and gave me
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: this hug.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: And as he did, he helped me understand.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: He expressed to me, he said, Vinny, this is going
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: to be really hard but it's going to be worth it.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: And with this hug, I felt like what came out
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: of us, the two of us as we hugged, was
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the energy of a hundred suns. It was this like boom,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: like really strong energy, like pulsated out of both of
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: us as we hugged. And I got to realize a
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: divine principle That when you're able to come together in unification,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: in true divine love of each other and service of
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: each other, that the power within both of you is
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: amplified and unlocked. That's what I felt happening just from
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: a simple hug. If every single one of us could
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: get one of those hugs, there would never be a
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: war on this planet ever again. We would care for
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: each other every day, no matter what we look like
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: or what lifestyle or anything. We would care so much
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: about each other if every single one of us could
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: get one of these hugs in our life. And it's
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: something that changed me for the rest of my life
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: till now. I'm literally a different person from before my experience.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I live differently. I I care about people differently. And
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: as I was feeling all this, I then started to
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: hear a prayer being given over my body. Now, meanwhile,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I was brain dead for three days. And each one
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: of those days, there was visitors coming in and visiting
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: my body while I was in this coma. And my brother,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: that third night, he had this He had his own
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: kind of, uh, come to Jesus moment where he realized
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: that this is serious, that, um, something needed to change
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: in the, in the spectrum of, of prayer or, or
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: sending your, your desire to God, because this is serious.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Like I wasn't waking up.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: And after three days, the doctors were saying, Hey, he's
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: not coming out of this. He's likely never going to
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: come out of this. He had even given my brother
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: this pamphlet about looking into palliative care, which is what
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: you do when someone's in this position. And that really
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: hit home for him and he decided, you know what,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I'm going to come, I'm going to do this, this,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: this prayer over him, this blessing over him. And I'm
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: going to just put, put everything I got into it.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: And he did.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I heard it as loud as if he was saying
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: it directly in my ear while I was in heaven.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: And I heard him tell my body to be made
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: whole and to come back to my body. And as
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: he completed that prayer, that blessing, I felt instantaneously brought
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: back to my body. In the real time of it, though,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: my brother had said this prayer at 10 p.m., right
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: around 10 p.m. I woke up at 1.11 in the morning.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: So only a couple of, you know, a few hours
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: after that, I woke up and I felt fine. I
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: literally felt fine. I woke up and was, first thing
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I thought was, why am I here? Why am I
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: in a hospital?
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: And my brain was still trying to figure out where
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: And as I was figuring all that out, I was
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: extremely claustrophobic. So everything I had on me, including catheters, IVs,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I yanked it all off.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Everything. Everything.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Even, yeah, I won't tell that story. But I'm telling you,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: it was painful, but it needed to happen.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I couldn't have anything touching me.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I couldn't even have the little finger thing, little finger
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: socket thing for your heart or whatever.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I couldn't have any of that touching me.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: But you just had like one of the most freeing experiences.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: You just like everything.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: And to me, this is what it feels like. It
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: feels like, you know, our soul, our spirit is as
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: big as like a whale in real life.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: It's huge, right?
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: And then to come back into this body is like
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: trying to put that whale in a sardine can. It's
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: just near impossible. To me, it is impossible, but it happens.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: So I was put back in, and I was standing
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: there naked, just standing there, like taking deep breaths, trying
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: to figure out what's going on, what's going on. Why
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: do I feel this? I felt like I wanted to
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: pull my body off. That's what it felt like. And
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: there's a good thing there's not a zipper.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: On our body.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: I would have pulled it and just climbed out. I
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: didn't want to be back in this body. I wanted
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: to go back to wherever I'd come from.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I could feel.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: And at that very moment of waking up, I actually
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: couldn't remember the heaven thing at all. I was just thinking,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I need to go back.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I need to go back. I need to go home.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: And I kept saying that. You know, I realized I
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: was naked.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, I can't be naked.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I grabbed some gowns that I found in the cupboard,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: wrapped around my middle section, and then I just took off,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: like walking really fast. I went down straight to this elevator.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting there hitting the down button when I hear
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: a scream, and I know it's coming from my room.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: So I knew one of the nurses had found that
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: there was no coma patient in there, no brain-dead guy.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: There's just a bed and a bunch of sensors. Some
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: of those sensors I even pulled out of the wall.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: So she was freaking out. She thought maybe somebody came
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: and stole the body. And I'm sitting there hitting down.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I'm like, open the door, open the door.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to leave. I wanted to go home.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: What I felt was home.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: And then a second nurse came in there. She saw
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: that there was no body either. She came out and
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: she looked down the hallway and saw me. And then
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: she screamed. And then the other nurse came out and
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: saw me. And then she screamed. And so I knew
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: at this point I was caught. I couldn't leave.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I had to stay. So I did.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I stayed until I could self-release or release on my
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: own cognizance.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: So remind you that I woke up at 1.11 in
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: the morning.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I was not allowed to be released until 7 a.m.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: So I did every possible release paperwork. I did so
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: many tests. I did 99% of the tests they wanted.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: There was like one or two I'm like, no, I'm fine.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I don't need that test. And so they did make
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: me do a lot of paperwork. I had to sign
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: a release, meaning that they're not liable if something happens
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: after I leave. And I said, that's fine. Just let
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: me out of here. By 7.30, I was walking out,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: and my dad had pulled up. I had called him
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: at about 7. He came, picked me up, and took
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: me home. On my way home, He just said, are
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: you okay?
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I'm okay. And he said, are you
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: going to work today? I was like, no, I'm not
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: going to work today. Take the day off. But I
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: told him, but I'll work tomorrow.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: And so I ended up working the very next day.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, as soon as I got home, the only
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: thing I could think was I want to go running.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: To me, that was the one thing that helped me
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: feel like I was somehow getting out of this body.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: And still at this point, I didn't know. I didn't
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: remember anything. what had happened to me. I got all
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the way to the point where I was going to
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: dinner with my sister and some more family. But my
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: sister specifically, my oldest sister, she cornered me.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: At that restaurant.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: And she goes, hey, you know, did you have an experience?
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Because you were dead. They found you were dead. And
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: as soon as she said that, my mouth like formed
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the words, at least my mind formed the words, no.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Nothing.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: But what came out of me was my experience. And
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: as that experience was coming out of me, I started
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: weeping and crying because now I remembered all the things
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: that had happened, including the leaving, the choosing to leave,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: and to not wanting to come back. And then I
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: started to ache, like to the deepest part of my heart.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I wanted to go back home. And, you know, it
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: was a blessing to remember, but it was also a
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: curse because I From that moment forward, I thought, I
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: just want to go home.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I want to do whatever I got to do. I'm
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: going to go home. So I looked into the most
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: dangerous jobs.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I signed up to join one of the most, in fact,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: the second most dangerous job at the time that I
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: could find was to be a king crab fisherman. There
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: was like this thing you could pay money for in Seattle.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: You'd go there and you'd do a run with some
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: fish boats out there. And if you did good enough,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: then they would graduate you to possibly be on a
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: wait list for an Alaskan one for King Crab. So
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I signed up for that thing. I was like, let's
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: do it. I kept thinking, you know, a convenient slip
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: on the deck of the boat. I could be right there.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: And I wouldn't even have to try. It would be just,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: you know, nature having its way and I could be
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: back in heaven. So I wanted to do that. But
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I kept hearing. I kept hearing Drake tell me, Vinny,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: this is going to be hard, but it's going to
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: be worth it. And so I did keep going. I
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: picked up, you know, pick myself up by my bootstraps
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: and just went back to work, went back to doing
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: the things I knew to do. But I started doing
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: it differently, everything differently, everything differently at that point. And
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I was done being the old version of me. I
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: was done Body worshiping, because that's what I felt I
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: was doing when I did bodybuilding. And I was done
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: worshiping anything else. I was now ready to really embody
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: my new purpose. And my new purpose was to build relationships,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: to love and care for others in a way that
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: is genuine and divine. And as I could do that,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I can emulate that energy in heaven. So I began
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: with this new energy, living my life, And, you know,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: had a real rough patch right after I came back.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Some of the.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Hardest weeks and months of my entire life. And shortly
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: after I came back, though, I did meet my wife.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: And as I first met her, even before going on
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: a date, we both.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Knew that we were going to get married. We knew it.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Without a shadow of our doubt, we knew we were
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: going to get married. And again, before we even went
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: on one date.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: And kind of the neat thing is I could feel
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: that presence of heaven around us when we were together.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: And even before one date, everywhere we go, people would ask.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, how long have you guys been married? Do you
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: have any kids? And we were just young.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: And so we kind of radiated that energy everywhere we went.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: But the neat thing is part of what Andrea, who
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: became my wife at the time, she was my fiancée,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: She really helped bring out a better side of me.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: And she helped me reprioritize my life where family was
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: paramount and one of the most important things. And as
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: she was teaching me how to do that, that wasn't
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: my way before. You know, it was my entertainment or
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: my adventure was number one. But she helped me do that,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: kind of reprogram my life.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: There was an.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Opportunity to go to this little reunion in Wyoming. And
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: normally I wouldn't go. I was too busy with some
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: project or something.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: And she lined it out.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: She's like, no, look, you're not doing projects from this
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: date to this date. That's when the reunion is.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: You're going.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: And so I got voluntold that you're going to, you're.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: To go to this reunion. And I agreed.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I said, yeah, that's part of my new self. I
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: want to do stuff like that. So we ended up
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: at this reunion. And part of the reunion was you
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: could go to this high school and watch a historical
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: presentation of the town. And in this little town of Afton, Wyoming,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: They were showing the presentation of the founders of the town,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: some of the first clergy of the town, some of
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: the first land surveyors and all of this. And it
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: was 4th of July time period when this happened. I
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: think it was like the 7th of July. And it
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: was actually cold in Wyoming that day, which it can
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: be even in July there.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: And I was getting cold. This was outdoors. It was
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: on the high school football, you know, field.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: And we're watching this big screen show all these slideshows
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: of pictures of people.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: And I was cold.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I was starting to gather our stuff to leave. And
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Andrea kind of kept dragging her feet a little bit.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: And finally I knew why. Because within minutes of me
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: starting to say it's time to go, she pipes up,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: she freezes, and she goes, that's your guide.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: That's Drake. And I looked over at her. I'm like, who? What?
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: No.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: No.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: And I turned, and on the screen is this old
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: black and white photo.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Of Drake.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: He was a lot older in that photo, but the
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: white hair was there, the white beard was there, the eyes,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: the eyes, they were there.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: But I was completely dismayed because it said his name
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: was Charles.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: It didn't say his name was Drake I'm like, it's him,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: but it's not him. What's wrong here? I'm thinking, God,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: why would you do this to me? You get me
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: to know him as Drake, and then now I find
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: out he's a real guy, but his name is Charles.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: But I noticed the last name, and that last name
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: was the name of the reunion we were at. And
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: that was my grandmother's maiden name. So I went to
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: my grandmother's house right then We went there.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: I just kind of walked in. I'm like, grandma, grandma, grandma.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: I go, can you tell me about someone named Charles Kazare?
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: And her exact response was, oh, you mean great-grandpa Drake.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: He's kind of famous in our family. And that's when
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: she expressed that it was her great-grandfather and that he
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: was known by Drake to the family and only to
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: very close friends. But even on all official paperwork, he
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: was known as Charles. And then I'm like, that's why
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: you had me know him as Drake. Not even as Charles.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: So that I could have that confirmation of.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Who he is to me. But he would be my great, great,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: great grandfather on my grandmother's side. But funniest thing, Kay.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I got chills on that one, man.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: The coolest thing is when I The way Andrea knew
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: it was him is I had been describing him for
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: months to her. We had many late night conversations just
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: talking about what he looked like and what I felt
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: he meant for me. And we were just still trying
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: to figure out who he was. And so when she
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: saw that picture, that's how she felt she knew that
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: was him. And when I saw it, yeah, it was him, 100%.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: But the way I always described.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: It to Andrea is I said, Drake's eyes, you could
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: feel them. like reach in and hold you and hug you.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: His eyes did that. Even in this life, they did that.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: And I asked my grandmother at a later period when
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I had a lot of time to spend with her
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: before she passed away, and I asked her, you know,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: do you know anything, attributes, anything you can tell me?
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: And she said, well, everyone always said like his eyes.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: His eyes, they could reach out and kind of grab
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: you and hold you And not just that, she felt
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: like people couldn't lie to him because his eyes would
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: not allow it. Like, because he genuinely loved people. And,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: you know, it was a beautiful experience. And I'm so
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: grateful that I didn't believe what some of the doctors
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: told me.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Because some of the.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Doctors did tell me, this is your imagination. Don't, you know,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: be very careful about following anything you perceive. Because a
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: brain that's been oxygen deprived that long, it's going to
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: have some ramifications. And so I moved forward with my life.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: We got married shortly after that experience and we've been
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: just building our life since. There's a lot more to
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: our existence than what we see here. And it's very,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: very important that we understand that we can't take our
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: incomes with us. We can't take our fancy homes or cars,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: but we can take with us the relationships we build.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: And that is the most important thing we can do here,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: is build good relationships and learn how to create with love.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: And that's paramount for us here. If we can do that,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: we walk away from earth school, you know, an abundant being,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: someone who's full of that abundance that heaven wants us
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: to have.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: That's my experience, Wes. That was incredible.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: I'm really glad I didn't go read anything or watch
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: anything and I could just be in this moment because
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: that was really, really special. And yeah, you said there
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: are so many things I feel like, I'm sure as
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: you've shared it, people can take away different things. One
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: of the things that I loved when you were describing
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: coming back into your body, and I feel like a
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: lot of us, right, Like there's so many identity issues
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: in the world. It's like people want to like know
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: who they are and it creates so much confusion.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: And I.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Think it's so beautiful that you said that's like our
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: soul is like as big of a whale and we're
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: just like.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Being pushed into this.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: I feel like there's so many people in the world
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: that get out of touch of like how important they
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: are and that their soul is so big and important.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: And life kind of starts like almost making that soul
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: used to like as a person and your soul and
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: everything just starts almost feeling smaller and diminished and they
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: start forgetting or maybe they've never even truly known what
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: they have inside of them and that.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Innately, right?
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Without doing anything, they have this intrinsic important worth and
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: they are so big and so beautiful. They just don't
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: know it. And I feel like That's one of many
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: things that I took away from what you said.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: But man, yeah.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: I'm still getting jingles about the Drake thing.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: That is so, so cool.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Well, it's really neat. A few months after we got married,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: we got to move in and kind of help take
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: care of my grandmother towards the last few months of
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: her life. So we got to go through old family records,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: and she had a documented... special prayer or blessing that
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: was given to him and and it even spelled out
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: like hey this is what you're this is the change
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: you're going to make in the world and then it
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: was more than a full page of describing what he's
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: going to do in the afterlife and one of his
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: primary purposes in the afterlife was to lovingly escort his
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: family and loved ones.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: From this side to the other And at that point,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: I'm like, God, you don't need to give me anything else.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm convinced. I know it.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: And you add so many different elements. And since then,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: being the changed person that I am, I'm more in tune.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I'm more sensitive to energy, every kind of energy. I'm
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: very in tune with that. And it helps me know
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: when there's someone that needs help. And they don't have
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: to ask for help. I can typically go and ascertain
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: and help them in different ways. And to me, that's
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: a beautiful way of bringing heaven back here because we
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: don't need to use our words to communicate there. If
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: someone broadcasts the energy of help, then help just arrives
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: because we love each other so much there. And the
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: whole identity crisis is happening because we're not physical beings.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: We're spiritual beings having a physical experience And we're pouring
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: so much of our attention and our energy into the physical.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: That's why we feel empty inside. We're not meant to
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thanks, Leslie. Nice to meet you too, man.